1 BILIONÁRIO X 30 POBRES | FT. PABLO MARÇAL

But you don't respect, you think I'm gonna spend your dick

Sorry, I'm not gonna shake your hand You started in 2010

That's why you're gonna keep being poor? But you never saw my course

You're gonna sell shit? Shit is hysterical

It's convincing the public

Yeah, you don't even know how to fly a helicopter

He used to fly it, I messed up God doesn't work on what you're trying to defend Why does the young man laugh? You're a frustrated guy I was wrong. God doesn't work on what you're trying to defend. No, I'm a businessman. You're a frustrated guy.

That's why I'm shaking my head.

You're trying to get out of here. Are you fucking with me? You deserve to be arrested. If it was with a woman, no one would accept.

What do you want from me?

I wanted to see who you were going to get out of here. Stop it!

Are you seeing this?

Speak up! Aren't you at the university, dude? If anyone wants to shit here, I'll give you a piece of paper and you clean your mouth. For whom?

For me, right?

Investing.

Ok, let's go. What did you plant to deserve? Communism is an illusion. It doesn't exist.

I'm not a communist.

Yeah, communist. This is not a debate, you are here to talk shit What course are you doing there? I'm not telling you

Are you afraid?

Stop following rules, fuck Look how beautiful our son of the Brazilian University People have principles No, we are not going to the next topic, we have a problem here, man I want to bless you and you came here armed not to be blessed You will not hear or receive anything

What principle? Tell me the name of the principle I broke. You don't even know what the principle is, brother. You can't even discuss and you end up saying, weak, weak, weak. If it sucks, turn into a stork. Who didn't let you was your teammates who couldn't stand your talk. Did you sit down the second time?

It's up to you, bro. You've been here twice just to be ashamed? You can call your dad now, just ask him, can I sell your suit? I'll give you 50 thousand in your suit for you to change your life and start with 50 thousand and get a business and start buying and selling. 5 seconds for you to do it now. I'm Pablo Marçal, I was born in 1987, father of Lourenço, Benjamin, Miguel, Isabela, married to Carol. I have dozens of companies,

I've been too poor, and I believe that the worst here, financially, is better than me, than what I did and where I came from. I'm a slave, I'm a public servant, I studied public school my whole life. But unlike everyone who is hoping that this will end badly, all the 30 who came here with a poor mentality

will be destroyed in the poor mentality. I won't call it poor anymore because poverty is not a social status. The etymology of poverty is unproductive. We'll tear it one by one, because sitting at this table here is going to be a powerful day. So it's 30 against 1. 1 wants to serve 30, and 30 wants to attack 1, but we'll see what happens.

The theme is that billionaires should exist and multiply, by the way. And do good to society. Who disagrees, sit here in the chair and let's go. Welcome.

Stop, police hand. Police, hand on the head.

You're looking for a way to get out of here, right?

Today I... It can be. Ok, let's go, Pabrito. I think you started your life very badly, right?

You started in 2010...

I worked as a shoe-maker, earning 525 reais. But, how strange... And I still had to buy a bicycle to get the Vale Transporte to complete the college. It's because I think a billionaire like you shouldn't exist.

Because you're bad for society.

Ok. Is it over? You get a public... No, who's taking me out of this?

You get...

What do you mean?

The majority.

Ok.

You get a public of people who are emotionally fragilized and you sell them shitty courses. What's your name, creature? Julio. Julio. Oh I have two crimes here, article 138. It's recorded on my camera. You are the cousin of a guy who prospered and became very rich, you are still an imbecile. Oh, you're saying your cousin is cheating on you? That's why you're going to be poor your whole life. The theme was, billionaires should exist. You talked about a past that I never denied.

It's written in the book, from misfortune to glory, you live in misfortune and never go to glory. What happens, man? You can come here and do your shit. I'll even ask my security to bring a toilet paper because every time someone does something wrong I'll give you a toilet paper and you clean your own shit. You didn't even talk about the time, you came in to attack

and came out more idiot than you came in. Why? Because you did an obscene act. If you do to me what you did an obscene act, if you do it to me, or to the woman, you get out of here. No, I treat... Obscene act. No, you're a guy who doesn't have a bit of respect.

A guy like you, I don't have respect. Simple.

That's why I did this act.

You don't have to respect me, but you have to respect the societal pact. So, to wrap it up, they're upside down. I'm sure you've commented on Article 233 here now. You don't have a minimum. No, you can sue. You deserve to be arrested. If it were with the woman, no one would accept. If it were with her here, I'd like to see who you'd get out of here.

See? She doesn't do it. She does it. She does it. She does it. She does it. She does it. She does it. She does it. She does it. couldn't get close to me, like his cousin, who he himself said he used to hang out with me and got rich, and now lives in the United States. Since he's a failure in life, what does he want to do?

He wants to take a step back and see if he'll explode in the cuts. But who's the father of the cuts here, baby? You'll be great in the cuts, wait. And with some trials, if you, until't apologize for the article 233 you commented here, for the stereotype. I never answer any, any trial about it. You will leave here with a problem on your back, a giant. The little money you have, you will transfer to me,

in a due process, penal. So I'll give you the opportunity to be filmed. If by the end of the show you don't regret this madness of yours, you will leave here worse than you came in. Deal? Who else wants to...

What's up? Welcome.

Thanks.

So, the question is if billionaires should exist, right? Let's go. I'm going to bring a technical point here, I'm not going to get into embassies, but what happens is that OFAN is an organization from the University of Oxford, and they do a measurement to verify how the billionaires have reached the level of power around the world.

And 36% of these billionaires have their money from inheritance. So I wanted to know if inheritance for you is considered to have some meritocracy concept behind the inheritance issue. 86% of the billionaires who earn money from inheritance will lose money. In the whole world. 86%.

What's our problem? I came from poverty, from misery, I really did. I thought this billionaire thing was shit. I understand you. I have compassion to talk to everyone here. I studied public school all my life, I went through hardship.

And I can tell you this, man. If you say, there is no meritocracy. Of course there is meritocracy, there is even in hell and in heaven. But, I understand. Let's go from the macro and go down to the micro. You are a guy from social media, you sell online content, right?

You sell, you give lectures and such. I wanted to understand, in a place as corrupt as Brazil, how is it possible to metricize people who are really billionaires with their efforts proven, and not a simple favor of the state or the conchabos? So, let's go.

It's like this, bad people are everywhere. There are bad people ruling the country, there are bad people inside universities, there are bad people ruling the country, there are bad people inside universities, there are bad people inside churches, so there are bad people distorting everything, right? Do you agree with me or not?

No.

There are no bad people everywhere?

No, there are bad people everywhere. But I don't agree with the line of argument...

Just give me a quote here, I think you're a billionaire, your income is at 193 in the last statement. That's the Bush-Hedrick statement I made. That's what was in the election. Do you know the companies I run?

No, but I know about 20, but it's not the same case. Let me finish. So we have 30 people here if you're saying that you did it, that you did it, and all of us here...

I believe that most of the people here don't even earn 3,000 reais.

You know?

I started my life earning 240. I'm telling you, the exception is the donkey's example. You're confirming what I'm telling you.

You know?

If everyone is doing the wrong thing... If you managed to get to a point and you were an exception, I won't judge you if you were a criminal,

I don't know.

Do I have to say it here or do you want to say it? You can say it.

Ok, let's go.

I'll explain it to you.

You cut my argument, but it's ok.

It's because if your speech uses the natural logic, there was only one guy who didn't sin on Earth, he's an exception, and he saved us. I'm not a Christian, so this argument is not valid with me. No, it's not your argument. It's not valid because for me it's not a Christian existence. There's only one president, so the president of Brazil, he goes there and changes the law, and a guy in an exception regime,

he's the guy who punishes the law, so because he's a guy, what is he? No, he's stupid. It's not like you don't govern your life, you have a power that governs you. No, it's not like that. Here is reality, Pablo. I didn't come here by helicopter, I came by motorcycle. Your motorcycle is what? It's a Daphne, and it can be stolen.

Do you know what happened to me last week? My motorcycle was stolen.

So what happens?

Your motorcycle was stolen because you don't have the insurance for the lorry. I have an insurance. – No, I don't want the insurance. – I have the insurance. – Are you trying to sell it? – Man, the brand of your motorcycle is Daphra. – It's Daphra. It's a billionaire's. Look, you who are watching,

you who are watching, since those who get up can't debate anymore, It's a pleasure. After the time is up, I'm still here to help. He has a DAFRA motorcycle, it's from a billionaire group. The company he said he has the insurance, I don't know if it's a cooperative. If this people is a cooperative, the insurance company of his motorcycle was stolen, or almost stolen, I don't know. If it's not, it's aspiring to billion. What's the difference between billion and million? If you take it in seconds, 11 days is 1 million seconds. 31 years in seconds is 1 billion.

What's their problem? They don't want us, the people, to have power. Power to take care of the company, to generate jobs, pay millions in taxes. What do they want? They just want Lula to rule alone and send everyone here. They want one person, instead of distributing power... I'm not a capitalist, but they want to be communists. I'm a governalist. I want you, who are watching,

in this bunch of people with this miserable mentality, to change your mentality. So, to finish, it's very basic. Here will be a mixture of subjects all the time. Those who come here just to defecate with the rough lower back, I'll have to give them a paper of energy, that's it. What's next?

What's up? Sorry, I won't shake your hand, sorry. I won't demoralize you, I won't put you in a crime or anything. The thing is, you said about your bike, that his bike is made by a billionaire.

Or a group that bought these companies.

Do you really think that a billionaire wakes up at 6 in the morning and will tighten a nut, tighten a bolt in a motorcycle factory?

What did he do? What did he do?

No, it's...

Who did this was a worker, right? It was a guy, a worker.

No, it's just the worker who tightens the company's nuts and goes out and opens his own. That's what happens. Everything that is made here, all these clothes that you are wearing, all the cell phones that are in your pocket are made by workers, not by billionaires. Only the billionaire leaves, the worker leaves to make his own.

The worker leaves to make his own? How?

Take the union instead of stopping the factory, gather them all and make your own cell phone. Make your own cell phone? Yes, you don't have to. Okay, it happens. Huawei does that, for example. Huawei is a giant company, one of the biggest companies in the world. But apart from the quantity... And they don't have an owner.

Dude, the biggest food company in the world is McDonald's, right? The guy who fries potatoes has to make a profit from McDonald's? Yes or no? Yes, for sure. So, since you want the profit, why don't you go to Carrefour, buy your potato, buy your frying pan, I don't want profit. Make a McDonald's M and put whatever you want on it. I don't want profit. I want everyone to live well.

Did you go to a public school like me? I did. We were destroyed there. I know.

You just said you know.

But I did it. Now, destruction, you have to build something, not with the mentality of someone who did a lot in my life, I got into a public university, and that's how I think I'm winning in something in my life. No, you're winning, man. Exactly. So there's no question of mentality. The point is, people don't have the structure to get anywhere.

You can wait a little longer, there's no reason. I agree 100% with you, you're a philologist. Yes, I'm to structure. Exactly. And how do they do that? The street that was the first to be paved in Latin America, do you know what it was? Paulista Avenue with German asphalt. We made this place the first to be paved here. It's the richest place in South America today.

Infrastructure. You said people don't have a structure, and I agree. I'm not saying everyone has a structure to be a billionaire. Far from it. Do you know what it means to be a billionaire? Billionaire in energy, billionaire in connection, billionaire in renunciation, billionaire in a lot of things.

You are a billionaire. Do you know you are a billionaire or not? I'm a billionaire. Do you smoke weed? No. You didn't smoke?

No. If each neuron of yours pays you 50 centavos, how much will you get? Man, thinking doesn't generate money. What generates money is work. What generates money is action and connection. Work generates salary. Salary, profit... No, no, no. Not only salary. No, man. Salary generates profit too.

Slavery has changed places. You don't understand. Slavery still exists. You came here to argue with a capitalist. I'm not a capitalist. You're going to get depressed and you'll get the end of it. No, you'll get it. I'm calm. This is not a debate.

Yes, for sure.

I think I pressed here. Brother, here's the thing. Not everyone really has a structure, because they have to bear a lot of pressure.

How do you make a structure? How do you do it?

Simple, you have to multiply your talent. Talent? So you think that if everyone goes to college, everyone will be rich? If you're watching, don't go.

If you're watching, go to college,

don't buy this guy's course.

No problem. Don't do that. If you don't buy a course, you'll buy a field, you'll buy a plane, you'll buy a car. You can do that, too. For example, this clothes here, I was a employee of this company and then I bought it. This shoe is also from there. That is, thanks man.

It's cool to have a story of being an employee and then buying a company. Anyone can. Anyone can? As long as it's not anyone. If you want to be anyone, let me finish that ad of mine there. Don't go to college.

I'll explain why. His ad, he'll sell to his course, let's go. No, man. If you want to study at my schools, there are schools all over the world. Don't do that, bro. Go there, do your own thing.

Do a test, do a contest.

You just have to make an announcement. But... The announcement is, if you go to college as my friend, and don't cross the path of certain people, you will be a militant. Are you afraid to say you're human? I don't... Are you afraid to say you're human? You don't know? Are you afraid to say you're human?

So what?

I tested your analytical ability when I asked you a question.

So what's the problem with being human?

The problem is that we're spending public money! We're spending public money to make billionaires more billionaires! Oboticaro this year earned 1 billion from BNDES, while the poor who receive some government aid, is getting fucked up. And they are still talking bad about it. BNDES, National Bank of what? National.

Social, bro. You criticize, you have to know what you're talking about. If you are there, you have the opportunity to undertake and get money, you don't get it. The government has money left over and needs to invest in companies to generate jobs, generate what? Taxes, infrastructure. So, okay, the government, if it invests well, it's all good. We are 21 million entrepreneurs, right? If the government...

Close all 21 million companies. What are you going to do in college? If the government invests, then you're back in it. What government, man? Government only spends. Why would the spend it? Your president spent more than a billion reais traveling, man.

And you stay at home.

Do the L, you guys. I don't do L.

I'm talking about L here, man. I'm talking about M, of mentality.

M of mentality?

Yeah. It's JM of Joanes Manuel.

There, it will prosper, because you sat in the wrong chair. I'm going to press here and have to give the answer. Next, if you to a university, the chance of you being a billionaire will be reduced to zero. I'll explain why. I went to a university. I went to a private school because I'm not as smart as you. I had to go to a private school because I majored in biology.

I wanted to be an engineer, but I ended up doing law because of connections. I did law, and law still saves me from big contractual mistakes and big things in the corporate world. Let me tell you a secret. If you become a military man in college, you can't shake hands with the person you're debating. You're a person who is mentally unable to prosper. You have to know that. And you didn't get it.

The only person here who didn't get it in my hand, I have compassion for you, and I commit myself here publicly to help you. I can take you to my house and I can help you until the end, as long as you're humble enough to admit the bullshit you did. What you lack is a father, brother. Father.

You have a blockade... Lack? Lack?

Lack?

Call it paternity blockade. You didn't respect me by shaking my hand and now you're asking for respect? You have a paternity blockade and you're here again, I'll take him from you. I'll take him from you. Your father is the state. Your father is the state. You want to sit on the billionaire's lap, huh? There are 30 chairs here, you take care, huh, Pablo?

Let's go.

Get 100 thousand, since you want to make a joke, get 100 thousand to pay. Same process as Datera, you'll have to pay. I'll donate to all the women who had that problem I mentioned in the debate, ok?

Ok.

What's your name? Daniel, nice to meet you. Let's go. People had fun a little, got away from the subject a little, but the subject was billionaires should exist, their existence does good, right? Tell me why having so much money in one person is a positive thing, given that there is so much poverty in our country.

Who helped the poor this year? Tell me. Except you. Except yourself. Who helped? With what little you have. The Bible says, whoever saves with little will be put in a lot. Who said we are accumulating?

We are channeling resources in more than 12 countries today. We are building a city in Africa. And I made a commitment to leave there only the day we built the last house. I can't talk about my works because what the right hand does, the left doesn't need to know. Ah, so you're going to omit the works and the people watching, looking at you, they can think, if you're helping, I'll help too.

You didn't help with sugar, your Your neighbor who ran out of sugar? I'm not contesting what you're spreading. I think it's positive, it's a current. Okay, I'm just saying that I... Let's do this. Let's kill all the billionaires, then. Get the officials.

There must be at least some. Who said about killing billionaires? You're creating a mess. So what's the problem of distributing power among the people. Do you want power to be concentrated only in the hands of the government? No, don't say that.

Corrupt government?

You didn't answer my question, Otávio. What was the question? What is positive about accumulating so many resources in one person? None.

None?

Not in one person. A billionaire, he forms a multibillionaire. It's not over yet. You just have to be a fool. No, you used a word, the word you used, accumulate. I'm never in favor of accumulating. I would have answered you, but you're obsessed and wanted your answer. If your mind is open, what are you going to look for?

It's open, Paulo. It's open? So, let's go. You said the word accumulate. What did I tell you? It doesn't make sense for a guy to accumulate wealth. The Bible talks about it. If you accumulate wealth here, the track will corrode and it won't take you anywhere in eternity. What makes you have a reflection in eternity? Investing in people.

What is the thing I want you to understand? You're right. In what you said, that one individual accumulating wealth doesn't make sense. What is the secret then? He has to channel it. What is the problem? If we reset all billionaires, we'll go back to the 90s, brother. Do you know what the 90s was like? When were you born? 2002. 2002. I'll tell you. I was already in line to buy a phone. Did that ever happen to you? A fixed phone at home.

No, I didn't live that reality.

I lived it.

I don't know how it was, but...

Here's the thing. Let me explain. Who owned it? Your father, the government. The government owned Telebras. 2008, more or less, for the young people. When were you born? 2003. 2003, you're from the 2000s generation, you won't understand that. What did we do? We had to wait in line to buy a phone. And to buy a phone, who was the owner? The government.

Now I can tell you something, I was an employee of this company after it was privatized. The company didn't make money, it was full of people who don't have the talent to run a company. Do you know what happened?

Brazil, right?

Brazil, no. The United States too. NASA, which is a super aerospace company, is losing to private companies of billionaires. Blue Orange is Jeff Bezos' company. SpaceX is Elon Musk's. A billionaire from Europe, Richard Branson, from Virgin.

These guys are increasing their competitiveness because the state doesn't care. The state doesn't care about investing, because they want to give everything, like a job, to incompetent people. That's it. You're right, but I'm not saying...

I want a million billionaires in the country. Do you know what will happen? That's impossible. It's not impossible, man. We just have to connect our economy with the whole world. If everyone were billionaires, who would bring you on a helicopter, Pablo? Who would bring me? I would pilot, what's the problem?

Oh, it's true, you pilot.

What about now?

Who would serve you in a restaurant if everyone were billionaires?

It doesn't make sense.

No one would serve me because... If there's going to be a Pablo, there has to be someone to serve a Pablo. Your idea is very cool. You who are watching, it's not who will serve AI, it's the robotics, the algorithm will take all our jobs. And if we keep this miserable mentality, we will be one of the poorest nations, stepping on the richest soil of all.

You all left home to argue with the capitalist. I left capitalism a long time ago. It doesn't make sense. And I'm not even part of a conscious capitalism, nothing. For me, the secret is in being, not in having. And what is communism? No one can have anything so we can be poor.

Everyone is miserable, even the nations you already know. This discussion we had in China, in 1990, China had a GDP, a gross domestic product, bigger than Brazil. We're talking about a scale of wealth, that Brazil had 420 billion dollars in GDP,

while China had something around 360 billion. Something like that. Today China is almost taking over the US. Do you know why? Because China, even being a communist, decided to open a metacapitalism.

They have a 40-year plan, and in 40 years they are fulfilling it. In 2030 it will be over. They will surpass the US. Do you know what they do to people with your mentality? What you both defend philosophically?

You can't say. It's one people, one language, one direction. They will surpass the United States of America. But don't overdo it being an archaic state. The question of billionaires, I'm not defending a club, no. I don't defend a person because of that. To me, you are images and likenesses of the Creator.

And I don't want anyone to become a Christian here, no, that's your problem. Now, it doesn't make sense for you, having the possibility to learn. One here came to defecate with the superior lumbar orifice, he comes and says, don't buy his shitty course. Dude, 2.5 million people have already bought, and some have changed their lives. Then you say, there are a lot of assholes in this world. There are a lot of assholes who want to become militants with my money.

There are a lot of assholes in this world who have a paternity block and are mad at everyone who is patriarchy and is here to generate wealth. The difference is that a capitalist has to sit here and despise you. On the contrary, I was complimenting you, and you despised me. Because you don't value the human being, you value ideology. Ideology has killed people. Don't talk to those who are out of the chair. You have to learn this, it's nobility.

Poverty doesn't define if you are noble or not. The mentality does.

Sorry, man.

What's up, Pablo?

What's up? What's your name?

My name is Diogo, I'm 19 years old. And, man, it's a lot of people in that chair. I came here with this suit, just to make fun of the aesthetic,

but let's get into the subject.

Can I use your suit?

Yes, you can. I have no problem with that. But, ok, man.

I was a little disappointed, I thought you were coming in a blue suit.

You have expectations, and expectations don't pay you. You don't have to worry about the environment.

Ok, let's get into the topic of the debate. Billionaires should exist and do good for society. I'm not a defender of billionaires. I'm not a defender... I'm not a defender of billionaires either. Ok, I understand the arguments in favor.

Ok, it generates wealth, it generates jobs. Ok, now we have to observe case by case. For example, there are billionaires who do enrich the cost of exploitation.

If the person only aims at wealth...

I agree 100%.

Exactly. This is the discussion I want to bring to this debate.

I don't want to stay only on...

I'm not from the syndicate of billionaires. I want you to know that.

No, okay.

Okay, but what is it then? Because I already agreed. What do you have again for us?

So, I'm trying to open the discussion. You...

I think I got lost a little bit, man.

Of course you got lost. You're lost. You need identity, bro. You need to activate your identity, clarify your purpose, stop this terrible shyness you have, Be clearer, concise and objective. This will make you prosperous. Ok, ok. Let the other guy sit there, go.

Ok, but give me back my Tern.

Do you want to sell it to me?

No, man.

How much is it worth? How much is this Tern worth?

It's my father's.

How much is it worth?

It's not worth it, it's my father's, man.

You don't want you sell it?

No.

Because I'm not my father.

Call your father. To see the nonsense you did. He paid 300 and what on this job? It's still valid.

Oh my God.

It's still valid. No.

I pay 20 thousand on it.

It's this one.

This one. I even got goosebumps, look at my arm. That's the problem. You're hunting a billionaire who is capitalist, an explorer, a dream destroyer, and I'm paying 20 thousand on his turn. Call your dad, live, if your dad doesn't sell. Do you know that this mentality of yours, of sitting there now with a turn that's worth 20 thousand reais, because it's not worth it, you've already argued.

Terno de Treza principle. What are you going to move? Look how beautiful our son from the Brazilian University. People have a principle. No, we're not going to the next topic. We have a problem here, man. I want to bless you and you came here armed to not be blessed. You won't hear or receive anything. What principle? Tell me the name of the principle I broke. You don't even know what the principle is, brother.

You didn't learn that there. What's your name, Diogo? Diogo, call your father now. Just ask him, can I sell your suit? I'll give you 50 thousand in your suit for you to change your life and start with 50 thousand

and get a business and start buying and selling. 5 seconds for you to do it now. The opportunities, that's it, son. That's what makes the guy prosperous. 3, 2, 1.

What's up, Jacket?

Look, this't do this. Never walk with a defeated on your side or you'll be miserable until you get in a coffin. What's up, brother?

Nice to meet you, Paulo Veras.

Do you want a leather jacket? Are you cold? Look, I'll tell you, I don't agree with you, because if you have a lot of millionaires, You know what happens? You're the only one I'm seeing here now who's worried about us.

If you're in a bad mood, I'll give you my jacket.

I'm not in a bad mood. I just wanted to give him a chance.

Do you want to sell me your jacket? Now? Let's go. If you're in this average, I'll make 20 thousand for you. I'll tell you. Let me tell you. There will be many poor people. I'll get... Let's get Elon Musk. How much did you pay for the jacket? I paid for the jacket, I'll tell you.

100 reais. I'll give you 200 reais. Let's go. I'll also pay for my daughter's pill. What? 150 reais.

You have to pay on the 10th.

What do you have to pay?

My daughter's pill.

I don't understand.

My daughter's pill. What's a pill? The school's pirouette. So, I'm doing a... Let's talk about the subject. Elon Musk received his father's inheritance. How did he receive it? His father had a lot of money, right?

How much was the inheritance?

Billions. No, no. It was millions. So much so that, Pablo, he came to the guys from the NGO and said,

how much is it to end the hunger in the world?

It wasn't that? you're forcing yourself.

The two things you're saying study his life to the fullest. You know how to get close to his business.

So, what happens? I think there are rich people, like you, you're an exception for me. I think, I'll say it for myself, you had everything to be the mayor of São Paulo today. So, I think that if you have many millionaires, there will be many poorer.

Because there are millionaires who don't care about you.

Do you allow me to speak?

Yes, you can.

So I'm going to pause here, because I'm going I want to discuss this topic. Let's go. Calm down, let's break the rules. The problem is that the miserable always wants to follow the rules. And the guy who has a free mind, he will break the rules. Before you start, break the rules.

Give me the paper.

Give me the paper.

Give it to me, man.

Here?

Yes, here.

There, it turned off, it's closed. What does it do? What makes you not prosper? Everyone wants to obey what they're told, you want to be revolutionary to ruin the other's lives. When he said, follow the rules, do you want to learn or not?

We're here to...

So, let's go.

And what did you do when you needed instruction?

You hung up.

So, don't buy... Just the instruction you need. It's shown that you are lost in the rules. The government tells you to do something and you obey exactly what they say. You're a teacher who has no results at that university. You destroyed your brain, bro.

86 billion euros for nothing. But answer both of the things you said about Willem. Both of the things you said about Willem, ok? He didn't receive a billion, he received a million. Which is a colossal distance. Second, his father worked with a diamond, and he's South African. And there are some funny things in the ideology,

that he's white and South African, and he can't operate with his company there because he's not black. Look how crazy. Now, here's the thing. It wasn't him who came to the UN and said it. It was a UN girl who said that all the money he spent to buy Twitter, which is now X, could have ended up with hunger. He said, analytically prove me that I pay.

So she hasn't come back to the account yet.

Do you know why?

Because hunger doesn't end up giving you food, it changes your mentality. So here's the thing, you can keep your jacket and I'll pay a year's salary for your daughter. Do you know why? Because you were a respectful, dignified guy. I think you're still confused. If you weren't confused, you wouldn't accuse a guy of so much information that you didn't research. Just confess to me, you heard from someone else, didn't you?

No, I researched.

You researched wrong, this information doesn't exist. No, no, you didn't research. Where did you research?

I talked to him, I studied him.

Ah, I know, it's studied, I studied. It's ok, it's ok. I got it. But I'm going to pay for your daughter's loss, you know why? Because I see you're a good guy. Your frequency will get better. And you don't need to give me the jacket. Ok? Then you can come and take it when you finish.

I'll give you this value. If you want the jacket, ok, thanks.

No, I don't want the jacket.

Thanks. Thank you.

What's up? How are you? Gustavo Lopes. Gustavo Lopes. Man, it was such an arrogance, man. I don't talk about mentality, I agree with everything you say about mentality, about the mentality of success, Napoleon Hill, something I defend a lot, but man, it's such an arrogance, such a hypocrisy,

you do this, what you do this to a guy. Here, in the first guy who was talking, you said, what does someone...

Your time is up, what do we do with him now?

Next. Thanks. When a person is worried about attacking others, they forget what they came here to do and will continue to be miserable their whole lives. If they focused on what the subject of the table is, this wouldn't have happened. This block here, chosen by the people here, is...

Enrich yourself too and you won't have to worry about the price of gas or picanha. And nothing that takes away your peace of mind every day.

Go!

What's up? How are you?

What's your name? Thames.

Thames. It's a pleasure to be here. It's interesting that we have half of the same story. I'm also a daughter of a fashion designer. I'm not a millionaire yet, but I'm a daughter of a fashion designer.

I liked you still.

You'll stay. No, I'll stay. I'm a daughter of a cleaner, my mother... I liked it from before, you'll stay. No, I'll stay, I'm sure. I said that in another podcast. What's my question here, Pablo? I'm not against millionaires or anything like that, on the contrary. But when we hear this statement that when we become millionaires, billionaires, we won't worry about this price, it goes against your own idea of government.

Because what happens? To look at a millionaire with his own eyes is hypocrisy. It's putting money together. So, hearing from a billionaire that he doesn't care about the price of a gas can and that directly impacts families that can't afford to buy a gas can, I want to hear the truth. I hope you say you care.

So, 85% of everything you think is worry and it won't work. So, if you worry about the price of something, you won't be able to think or change your mind. I was really worried about the price of fuel. But when you move to the other side of the game, you don't worry about the price, because I know I regulate the price.

I don't know if you understand what I just said.

Yes, I understand.

So, the question of occupying your mind about something will take away from you the possibility of having new experiences, new connections, new learnings. No, I don't understand. So, what I'm saying is not hypocrisy. I did everything.

For example, you go to a restaurant, tell the truth, you. You get the menu, when you open the menu, you choose what you want or the money you can afford to pay.

Tell the truth. It depends. When the VAT drops, I choose what I want.

I also had VAT, I know what you're talking about. But for us to change our mentality, it's better to go to the restaurant less times and use the forearm. I teach the shitty classes that the guy said I do, I teach people to cover here, go less times, but don't choose by the price.

I understand. My question is affirmative. Is it the billionaire? Forget about the billionaire.

Anyone who wants to prosper, doesn't have to look at the price.

If she keeps looking at the price, it's her fault. I understand, but how can I say this to a family man? Who sees his three daughters starving and can't afford gas to take them to school.

If he doesn't have it, you're right. If he doesn't have money, he doesn't even have to look at the price, he has to get a sweep. If he doesn't have money, as long as he has a cap, a sweep, he won't be missing anything.

I'm saying that it's the function of those who hold power to look at these people. I'm not talking about communism, who has more resources and more opportunities to have resources, look at these people. When I hear someone who has a lot of resources, who has a lot of opportunities, who doesn't care about the price, I'm not looking at the price.

I'm looking at the people who consume that. I'm telling you exactly. There are people who don't have to look at the price, but I have to give something to them. I make a donation. If she looks at the price or not, what will change? She doesn't have the least... Assistentialism doesn't change life.

It doesn't change, but that's why...

It's the opportunity that changes.

Ah, so you're going to be the first rich here. You said everything I needed to hear.

Amen. It's the opportunity that changes.

We don't disagree on this point.

What I'm saying is, this kind of phrase, coming from a billionaire, It's sad, but it's reality. No, it's not reality. It's reality.

Let me explain something.

I wouldn't be worried about how much I would get from my bank account to fill my tank, but I would be worried about how I can impact in a way that...

I remember your name.

It's Thames.

Thames, you...

...makes the life of a family man more comfortable. When you reach the level of energy of a billion, to the billion energy level, you will never go to a fuel station. Yeah, that's true. That's what I'm telling you. But I like to drive. You like to drive, but you're going to have a driver, you know why? Because you're going to get your cell phone and you're going to solve problems along the way.

You will enhance your time.

I understand.

What I'm saying is that there are levels in society. they spend all day not only seeing bomb by bomb in the price, they keep discussing it all the time and they occupy their minds with something that will disrupt their mental prosperity. I'm not saying to leave the price up there. I believe that everything has to be very fair. How can we talk about mental prosperity in a country

that has no basic education?

There is no financial education in these schools. But we put 140 billion just from the federal government. And how come there isn't?

You know the corruption of men.

Yeah, half of the money is for the deviant, the other half is for the militancy.

But what I'm saying is that if we keep discussing the problem here, we won't get to a solution.

I'm already the solution of this country.

What is this, Pablo?

Yeah, you are too.

Alone?

No, I said I am, you too. All the wealth producers who want to share this are part of the solution. I'm not saying you can't pay the price.

To be part of the solution, you have to worry about the price. So how about we change the statement?

Because you're obsessed with the word. I'm not going to change it. Do you want me to do it your way? If I'm a man, you just confirmed it.

You just said we can break the rules.

You can. Break yours, I'm trying to break your... No, the debate is against you, I didn't come here against you. No, it's not me. If you're going to debate with the poor, you're just going to argue, you're not going to get anywhere. With the millionaire, you're going to do badly. With the billionaire, you're always going to do better, because he's going to tell you, question. If you have the solution, if you are the solution, how to change it? If we are all the solution, the problem is the mentality.

How to change it in a country like Brazil, where we have a deplorable education level? How to do it? I have school networks. I'll tell you, as I came from a public school, there was no solution.

I didn't see a solution there. I saw the people occupying us with Karl Marx. For God's sake. I agree. It doesn't make any sense. I agree. Take a guy who is a gigolo against his father, a guy who creates a revolution, and he doesn't

even write the Communist Manifesto, which was written by Engels. Then you're going to believe in a guy?

Okay, but how?

How does that change? in the solution. Not worrying. You have to learn, you have to unlock. Great! Worrying depends on the level you are. Those who are in misery will go crazy with it. But what makes you prosper is changing your mentality. Take care of what is a challenge for you. Are you going to send the price of the gas station? No, man.

Or let's all go out to the streets. When we fought for 20 cents in 2013, July 20, 2013. Yeah, let's go to the streets, everybody. If you're going to the streets, you can call me, because I'm going to the streets. Now, if you spend all your days worrying about that, you won't prosper.

It seems that daddy got the body language right. Welcome.

Thank you.

What's your name?

My name is Ivan.

Ivan, go ahead, man. Well, I think that this sentence you just said is very contradictory, because in Brazil, just because you're a billionaire, you don't care about the price of meat or the price of meat, aiming at the position you occupy, and also having the means of action to influence that,

I think it's hypocrisy. Especially you, who tried to run for office, asking people. Because, man, even if I become a billionaire... I had 1,719,000 votes. I didn't ask for it, they believe in me.

The vote was deposited in me, not in you. Regardless, that's not the subject of the debate. So, like... You brought it to the debate. Even if I become a billionaire, I will still worry about the price of meat. You're going to play golf, you're going to play tennis, you're going to do other things. Okay, that's what you do. No, it's because...

I, a billionaire, have other practices. You're not even going to get there with that head, that's it. Well, that's what you're saying, right? That's your limitation. That is, we have someone here who will become a billionaire. I can conclude what I'm saying. Always. It's a debate, the time is open. Anyway, if I become a billionaire, man, I'll still wake up in Miami,

worry about the price of meat and I will be bothered. Don't say worry, but I'll be bothered by the price of meat and I'll be bothered by the price of gasoline. Don't, man. Precisely, man, because the problem of Brazil... for example, you see a crowd receiving Oruan leaving the jail. If you look at the other side, you see a former president. You see a former president.

So, man, there's no way you don't worry, even if you say, I became a billionaire, my life is solved. The day Lula won, you know what happened to me? Now it's my turn to talk. I woke up the next day and said, I'm going to work double because it's a spending government, it has no austerity and screwed everyone. And you think it's coherent, so you can't see the millionaire and things will be solved.

Millionaire is an energetic frequency, you can't even look at the price because it's not you. There's a thing called markup in companies, it's not you who makes the price. You have to understand that your secret is to find talents, multiply talents. It's because you're in a place where you think, you have a linear vision. What is linear vision versus exponential vision? If you are a person... You didn't say anything here when you said it, Tuf.

I have a proposal. For me, the fact that whoever says that they will stop worrying about things just because they became a billionaire,

because there is no purpose, in my opinion.

No, man.

Because the problem with all of this... The problem of getting bothered by things is not only because I became a billionaire, it's because Brazil is in a huge downturn, man. As I said, you have people today idolizing a guy who is the representative of the Red Command. You who are watching, pay attention. His statement is correct, but he is in a linear view. I want this podcast here to simply generate results for you. I didn't come here to argue with people. I came here to change the mindset of those who are watching,

because there will be millions of people like you. With a linear vision, the guy says, when I become a billionaire, I'm already excited, because he's saying that one day he will be. Second, your priorities change. You will serve many people, I believe in that,

but you will not deal with this kind of subject. This is not an energy-related subject that will help anyone. You have to think about hiring more people, buying more land, opening more industries, you have to think about other things. It's not about the price of gasoline, it doesn't make sense. For God's sake, open your heart.

Next! The mayor is different. Go ahead.

What's up, man?

Good? What's your name? How did it work? My name is Ian Guerra, I've already talked to you. So, I heard you talking about this issue of change, of mindset, because everyone can be rich or poor. I didn't say mindset. You said mentality, which is the same thing. But, what happens? Economy is a science of scarce resources.

We live in Brazil, which is actually a third world country.

And it's a country that's practically agricultural. No, no, this is IBGE and these are the facts. No, these are the facts. Let me finish, let me conclude for you. And what happens? Apart from you selling a lot this idea that the change of mindset, of mentality, whatever, will improve people's lives.

But back to reality, man. If you keep trying to sell the idea that the world only needs to change, you're actually draining resources and putting those resources in things that are not important. Let me finish here. For example, selling courses that don't add anything, don't have any technical value, only changes in PNL, mentality techniques, what is it for? Teach the guy to sell, isn't it nothing? Teach Teaching someone to buy, to manage, to be efficient? But what are you going to sell? You've never seen my course, I've done more than 140.

You're going to sell shit for everyone to eat? Shit is shit, it comes and goes. In yours? Doesn't it come and go? In your cocoa, you can turn a plant into gas. You have a lineage to do that? You have a lineage to do that? Brazil has been trying to industrialize for a long time. It's trying because there are people with the same mind as you.

That's why those who try can't do it. Those who try can't do it. Weak, weak. That is, you can't discuss and end up saying weak, weak, weak. If shit becomes hysterical, who didn't let it it was your teammates who couldn't stand your chat You sat down the second time? It's up to you, bro, you've been here twice just to be ashamed

Shit is a joke if you know how to apply it, man What rules, man, stop following rules, fuck If you asked a question here, the thing would go up, you came here to shit on the table This is not a debate, you are coming here to do shit, man Ask if it not a debate, you're here to talk shit, man. Ask if it's a debate. What's up?

What's up, bro?

So...

What's up? What's your name?

I'm not going to tell you either. Let me tell you. You say that if a person is a billionaire, he won't worry about the price of a steak, or gasoline and such. But do you know which billionaire is concerned about this value?

Petrobras shareholders, who sell meat in Brazil. Petrobras shareholders are not billionaires. Most people are like you. You don't know that? The minority is the problem. The minority is the problem. The minority is the billionaire.

So they are not shareholders. Of course they are. But anyway, who cares about this value?

Brazil is one of the countries that produces the most food in the world.

And how is it possible to... You want to lower the price? How is it possible to... Let's lower the price. Do you know how to lower the price? How do you say it?

No, you say it.

You're not at the university, dude?

I know how to do it.

How do you lower the price? Show us. You take out the tax. So tell Lula to download it. He's increasing it. Or put taxes on exports, which in Brazil is very little. Or...

You're going to stop the trade balance. Did you go to college to spend my money for that? Or deprivatize... Deprivatize?

Deprivatize.

If everything gets cheaper by privatizing, it will get more expensive. It will get more expensive. Look at the phone. You weren't even born when Pelebrás Gustavo Gustavo. When you privatize, you need to give profit. Before you privatize, you don't need to give profit. What are you talking about? You go to college to become a militant, bro. What do you mean, become a militant? I'm a militant from Zalandia, man. I'll teach you.

I'll teach you how to lower the price. Do you want to learn or not? Billionaire wants the high price so he can keep his profit, man. Do you want to lower the price? Deprivatize Petrobras' refineries, which were privatized. What a day!

Put it in Lula's hands.

Not even a state-owned company in this country.

In full operation, the government.

Not even a state-owned company in this country. Pay attention to how it lowers the price. One thing you said right, lower taxes. But it's only increasing. Reduce government expenses. What makes the price go down?

It's increasing demand. If you reduce the rich, they won't produce. So if they don't produce, demand will decrease. What will happen? The supply and demand will unbalance. The price will explode.

What happens? Now they'll say, let's approve for the rich to pay more taxes. And everyone will clap their hands. What will happen? The rich will send money to Dubai, where taxes are zeroed. There they will build, there they will die, there they will do everything and there will be no taxes.

We will lose. The record of money coming out of this country, in Lula's government now, has never happened in the history of the country. You're talking bad about billionaires, but you don't have the slightest idea of what it means to lower prices. You have to reduce government spending, increase austerity, invest in infrastructure, invest in energy. You don't lower prices by reducing the rich. It's the rich who put products on the market. And you say something like that, to deprivatize something? We have to distribute power to the people,

and not to Nicolás Maduro. We don't have to give money to a dictator who never generated wealth, Lula, of life. This guy never generated a single real of wealth and governs trillions. Is that why you're going to keep being poor?

Fuck! Hey, how are you?

Good morning, my name is Fabio. I came here, actually, I heard on your podcast with Thales Gomes, you said that not everything needs to have logic, but it can be extraordinary. So I came here this morning to look for the extraordinary for my life, for my family. I have a daughter who was born with a rare syndrome, Wiedenburg syndrome. She is autistic, right? Level 3. And in fact, today I care about the price of gasoline,

I care about the price of meat. But you will spend this time. I know. And your daughter too, you. What do you want me to do? I want to learn. I didn't come here for money. I want to learn. I want an opportunity to learn, to grow. Because I really want to...

So get up and let the next one come, I'll help you. You go to the next one, it costs 20 thousand per month, I'll give you the opportunity if you're there.

Deal.

Good. What's up?

How are you, Marçal?

What's your name?

Pleasure. Guilherme Tramontano, or Tramonta. Let's go back to the debate topic, which is...

Everyone is talking about you not having to worry about the price of the steak.

Right.

But I want to go back to the beginning of the sentence, which is,

make you rich too.

Yes.

And then, man, for me this sentence sounds like, man, don't get cancer, that's bad, you know? It's a very obvious thing, I think no one here wants to be poor. Don't get rich. No, but everyone wants to get rich. No. The problem is how. I'll give you an example. I'm a bankrupt guy. I tried to start a startup, and I got a callot.

You only went bankrupt in a phase of your life. You're not a bankrupt guy. Okay, but the point is, I had the power to afford to go bankrupt because I don't have a son, I don't have a wife to take care of.

I can...

Who went bankrupt? Was it your emotions or the company? It was the company? The company. It was you. The company doesn't break. But then the debt came to my CPF. But why? Because it broke first you. It's a pact. It's called imaginative reality. But I took a beating. Man, you took a beating because you always have problems with people.

Either you hired bad people or sold to bad people. You were in the mood to sell, desperate, and sold to bad people. But then what happened? One of the 5 biggest lessons in life is selection recruitment. You didn't learn it, and you have to learn it now.

But the startup was me and one more.

But you are not what you lived. Okay, but then the question is, I had to go back to work at CLT to be able to keep myself. Because I live on rent, so the rent ticket came month after month, and I wasn't getting it. Then who can afford to break it? You became a businessman before you understood what it is to enter the business.

I wouldn't go back to CLT, I would buy a product that is hyped to sell. For example, I put MercadoLito, I'll give you an idea. But with what money would you buy the product? I use the money of others.

40 thousand negative?

OPM, Other People Money. Do you think if we were to be course, because you have a failure. Now he's tied up inside the university. He'll be talking all day that the profit is from the employees. It doesn't make sense. I give it to everyone who wants to get rich.

Go buy a frying pan and buy the fries, brother. So, this is not what happened. But who broke it was not the company, it was you. Yeah, it was me. Now you have to get rid of it, or you'll break the prospect. So you'll be there at the CLT, in the Zazen bar. What am I doing? I got a good job at CLT, I'm getting a nice salary. Do you know what day it is?

I don't know what day. I need to pay all I had to make a consumption debt because otherwise I had nothing to eat. Dude, let me tell you something. Now you've been through this, right? I did. Now I have income again. Turn the page, put the date to go out, go to entrepreneurship before becoming an entrepreneur. What is entrepreneurship before becoming an entrepreneur?

Buy and sell. Buy and sell. Becoming an entrepreneur is putting a pillar an alternative income, buying and selling. Use the platform, Shem, Shopee, and whatever. For what? Even if you're there fulfilling the time limit for the businessman, you're seeing that you have the possibility of having an alternative income. When that income, you feel firm in it, it's out of the CLT. But now, taking my personality out of the subject,

because, like the example you brought here, a father who has two children to support. When this guy tries to start a business, he inherently has a risk. It's not opening a business, it's just buying and selling. Okay, but there's a risk tied to it. If he has a place where he sees a demand,

and that demand is repressed, it's just buying and selling.

That's it.

But what about the risk. You'll only be rich if you have the risk. You have to choose the risk. Or the INSS, which will break, because there's no way it won't break. I know. I know about math, you must know too. They don't study this in college. INSS is bankrupt.

No, it's okay. There's a pyramid system. Now, are you going to take the risk of not depending on anyone. I know, but what about the guy who's at risk of making his two kids starve? Man, here's the thing, he's gonna run the risk anyway. His kids will starve if he has a productive mentality. But if he's at the CLT, working with the money,

he's getting the fixed amount every month, he can schedule himself with the monthly expenses. If he wants to, he has to stay. It's the frequency. I'm not saying to leave. Everyone who wants... You're saying yes. Enrich you too. Man, no, I'm not saying that. Enrichment is not getting to a billion or a million. Enrichment is to keep growing.

There are people who are rich in time. Do you know why I'm richer? In time. But then the guy who has time, he keeps worrying about the price of the picanha and the gasolina. You're a playboy. No, I'm not a playboy. Have you ever got a flat tire? Of course.

Where?

To go carpeting on the sidewalk in front of my house. Oh, yes. Those little pieces of grass. Even on your sidewalk, on the grass, there will never be a lack of job opportunities in the world.

Remember that.

So the person is there like that because she needs to do it. of Carpi, so now you're going to recruit us to Carpi for you. Then there will be the Karl Marx revolution. We want the profit of the capping! So go there and do the same thing.

But do you think everyone can do that?

No, everyone.

No, then.

Anyone can, as long as it lets anyone be.

Thank you, Marçal.

Do you want to be a candidate?

Good morning, Mr. Pablo.

Good morning, sir. What's your name?

Paulo.

We have the same name.

Right.

And you've been in this course, coaching, transforming people's lives and such. Do you think I shouldn't do this?

Well, it's up to you.

No, it's up to you.

Oh, it's up to me?

Yeah, it's up to me, I'm helping millions of people.

I watch it for 50 million people every month. It depends.

Depends on what?

If it's really something good.

Let's do something, deal? I'll give you access to all my courses. If you watch it for a month, and you say that doesn't change, if I have to apply, then I call you, I interview you, you say, this is fraud, this is a lie. Let's go?

Okay, but...

But you have to stay a month. How much do you get per month?

I'm not going to talk about it here.

Say it, man, I'll bless you.

No, no, no, because... No, no, so let's do this...

Say I'm ready to study. Ok, but let's make a challenge here. You have all this persuasion power, right? No, no, no. It's the result. It's the result, not persuasion. Because if I had the same conversation without results, no one would believe it.

No one believes in anyone, brother. No one respects anyone.

Respect the result. Right, but, like, you transform people and stuff.

Can you transform me now? It changes my life. People have methods, tools. Your method now, would you be able to do something? I'm looking at you. I proposed you to pay double what you earn, just for you to study. I'm giving you everything for free, you can do it from your home, and I pay double what you earn, because you said two.

No, but skipping this part.

I pay ten for you. You'll be studying for a month.

No. Because I already have my... Because, like, the formula of success, you see, I think the formula of success is... It's to articulate each one.

Or not? Do you think so too?

I'm going to protest.

You can speak.

You can keep talking, I'm going to protest.

No, no, that's what I think. You can protest, you can...

It's good. Time's up. I'm going to be a little bit more serious. I'm going to be a little bit more serious. I'm going to be a little bit more serious. I'm going to be a little bit more serious. I'm going to be a little bit more serious. I'm going to be a little bit more serious. I'm going to be a little bit more serious. Let's go. Pablo, you said that wealth is something of God. And I came here because this is the only point where I am amicably against you.

Because I am a fervent Christian and my life was changed by Christ a few months ago.

Mine too. Although I have always been a Christian, my life has really changed. What I think about wealth... Are you a Christian saved or a king before? I don't know the difference. But you can explain it to me.

You said you just arrived. No, I was raised in faith. But lately I've had a meeting. But in my view, wealth, we have a famous phrase that says, all the kingdoms of the earth are sweet, prostrate and worship me.

Who said that? Satan.

In Matthew 4. He said first that he would turn a stone into bread, then jump from above, and then serve the king. What did Jesus say?

What I think is this. It's not a diomede, but with all due respect, this watch is a very expensive watch, a very beautiful watch.

How much does it cost?

A few million, I believe. Less. 600 thousand. One and a half million. So, what happens is... We have in faith a situation that, for example, Jesus was... You said, God, so I'm going to take the liberty of speaking of Christ. Of course.

Jesus was in a situation where he was approached by a person, and the Jew said, I'll speak quickly, people. And the Jew said, Jesus, what do I do to be saved? And Jesus said, follow the Ten Commandments. And he said, I follow.

Who was the guy?

It was a rich Jew.

A rich young man.

A rich young man. And then the rich young man said, I follow the Ten Commandments. He said, I love your neighbor. I love. the distortion of the Bible. Just to save what you're doing, José de Arimatea was the guy with a network who managed to free Jesus' body, gave him a very fine line,

he was a senator of the equivalent republic, owner of a maritime company, gave Mirra, Aloes, the Holy See to cover him, and the place. He was the hidden disciple of Jesus, rich, and Jesus never asked him to give him anything to drink.

But I didn't conclude. But that's what I'm telling you. No, I didn't conclude because Jesus said the following, it's hard for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but when Jesus met Zacchaeus, Zacchaeus said to him, Jesus, you come and eat at my house, and here's the thing,

I gave away half of my wealth, and I gave it back to whoever I defrauded and I returned four times more. What Jesus said to him, today there was salvation in this house. So this person's heart was not in the wealth.

Yes, neither was mine.

And now? Are you not prepared for this? I'm not saying that your heart is in the wealth. I'm saying that Christianity is against this... You know, look how much Christianity is against it, I have to tell you this. You're swe throwing it at yourself. I'm just calling attention to give more views. The streets of New Jerusalem are made of what?

Of gold. Solid gold. Solid gold, the Jasp wall. And the other 12 stones. God doesn't work on what you're trying to defend. I'm a businessman.

Why is the young man rich?

I broke three times. Congratulations. Don't break the fourth time, because it's in here. Don't give up, learn and be passionate.

I died in Alfenas. I came here.

So, put something in your head. Wealth is mental, spiritual, soulful. If you want to defend a verse and say, for example, there are people who say, love is the root of all evils. But it's love. That is, love buy the heart.

It's very simple. I understand, but when you say that you have companies and stuff... I say that to get people's attention. It's like no one is watching. I'm talking to you between us. I saw the purity and truth of you.

I'm not as rough as I look on the internet. I learned that the mind of an unproductive person likes to overdo everything. I'm not that stupid. I'm watched by 50 million people every month. And they're techniques to make people share. In Man to Man, this experience of the table, you'll meet another guy. I'm a highly generous guy.

I can see that you're generous. What I'm saying is that we, as Christians, we have to put ourselves above this right and left, above, for example, the government. On the contrary, we don't have to put ourselves above, we have to put ourselves below.

Okay.

We, as Christians, we... Can you cut it here? We, as Christians, we don't have to put ourselves above anything. This is the problem of religion, wanting to put above everything. We have to put ourselves down. We were called to serve. And to finish the subject on wealth, we will reign with Christ for a thousand years.

And this reign has already begun, man. It started. Then his despair. You don't even know the difference between salvation and reign and you're saying no. What I want you to understand is that Pablo Tosco, who you watch on the internet, learned to play the audience game. That's the truth.

If you have a table experience, you won't have this resistance that you hate me and all that doesn't exist. Go, 1, 2, 3, go!

Hi, Pablo. Nice to meet you, Nick. How are you?

Great, what's your name?

Nick. Nick. Nick. It's a name name, right? Pablo, the statement is that wealth is something of God, right? And being rich is everyone's wish. When there's this statement that being rich is a will of God, I wanted to understand better your opinion about this thought, why God wants everyone to be rich. He wrote it.

And here I'm talking about financial wealth, okay?

He wrote it in Genesis. Multiply, he said it like this.

And you said that not everyone gets rich.

Not everyone gets rich because they don't want to.

And there's no desire, like... Everyone wants to be rich.

What is wealth to you?

Let's go.

Quickly, your answer with the symbol.

So, thinking about what we came to discuss here, it would have to do with money, with finance.

The greatest wealth I have today is called time. Not being busy doing nothing. People buy our time. That's the secret. I was a salaried employee, I was a businessman. You say, aren't you more? Of course not. How can I touch business? I don't touch any. Today I'm an investor.

But thinking about God wanting us to be rich. Where is that?

God wants us to have time for Him, time for the wife, time for the children, time for the people need of help. If I say I'm rich and I don't help anyone, I'm a miserable person. When I say it's easier for a rich man to get into a needle, it's easier for a camel to get into a needle, it's easier to bend the cervical of an animal

that has a harder cervical than for a rich man to get into the kingdom. Because the rich man thinks that all he has is money. But all wealth has a purpose. Money is a pact of an imaginative reality that we created and we only respect it for the amount we have.

And do you think that the rich doesn't divide between worshiping two gods? Like, there's no way to worship two lords?

Man, if you're going to get the rich, it's a wrap. I can't define the intention and heart of a person by the amount of money they have. Some people are extremely rich with little money, and some people are extremely poor, spiritually, with a lot of money. But spiritually, he is poor, emotionally, he is poor,

his transborder is poor, he doesn't teach anyone.

And how did you deal with Romans 12, 2, which says...

Transform yourselves by the renewal of your mind. Yes, so as not to conform to the things of this world. So look at me, I'm an opportunity for you to change your mind. And you must have something you didn't tell the world, that when you tell, I'll look and my mind will be transformed and exactly like Romans 12, it will fall perfectly on everyone.

And how to deal with Thiago Cinco, who says that people get rich by exploiting people?

Just don't explore. Give them an opportunity.

But is it possible to get rich without exploiting? Yes. How?

Simple. There's a job. Are you looking for a job?

If I need it, yes.

So if you accepted, it's not exploitation. Now, it's out of the country's legislation. What becomes exploitation?

Do you think the salary is fair, suddenly?

It depends. The fair one is the agreed one. What is justice? Justice is to say, I'll pay you 5 thousand, and I paid you 5 thousand, it's fair. What would make it an exploitation? I'm a lawyer and I can help you with that. You don't understand the minimum of the country's legislation. In Brazil, our legislation, the CLT, is from 1940. So, if you don't follow certain protocols,

it can become an exploitation. Now, the fair wage is the agreed one. It can't be less than a minimum national salary. Depending on the state, because there's a constitutional state, sometimes the salary is higher than the minimum national, the right person is just to fight for justice. Justice is compliance, without any gap.

So a person who is rich is as if she were blessed by God, in this case.

No, everyone is blessed by God. The person's wealth is the amount of energy she can distribute, the amount of renunciation, the amount of time she has to study, the amount of time she has to go through. And that guy who is suddenly faithful, in the church, is poor, here I'm talking about financially, lives in a community.

He can hear a sentence like that and feel like a guy who is frustrated and frustrated.

No, he can feel it because of his immaturity. Now, if he says, you want to buy my watch? You're a salesman. How much do you want for this watch?

If you want to give 20 thousand for it, I'll accept.

How much did you pay?

I won.

Look, since you're offering, and I'm not looking for this watch, you just found out that I have it to me? It can be. I'll give it to you.

Give it to me.

Here.

Done.

Who doesn't have a watch?

Do you want it?

No, the watch is mine.

No, it's his.

Did you give me the watch?

I gave him the watch.

Come here.

I'll give it to you. Sure. This is called transbordo. You're a right-handed guy, right? Can you pass the flashlight in your right hand?

I'm transbordo.

Let me put it right.

At some point, I think I'm going to break it.

It's recorded here. Thanks for the gift. What is it, Tom Ju? What is the stop? The stop is this. Not everything, not everything is to stay with us. God trusts the wealth in our hands so we can transfer it to others. Yes. But my big crisis in all this conversation here

is suddenly thinking about a mother who lives in a community,

how do I do this?

Think about the following,

think about who needs help. I liked your conversation.

Go!

How are you? Pleasure.

How are you, Pablo?

Good.

Guilherme. What's up, Guilherme? Well, I didn't come here to attack you. What a pity. No, I know your story. You are a very intelligent person. You have a very cool life story. You are teaching a lot of things to everyone here. Your attitude with the boy is very beautiful. So, about the topic.

I already have access to a very cool network, in Alphaville. My wife and I have a marketing company. I think they will fire you if you don't go straight to the company. The only thing I want is how I become a millionaire. How can I access to become a millionaire. With tools, with technology. Look, they're going to fire you.

Look, but since I started answering, to become a millionaire, you need technology, you need a platform, method, tool and people. People who will keep provoking here. Deal? Good? What's your name?

My name is Paulo Henrique. Pablo, you can see that you...

are a guy that made a lot of money with your effort.

No, I didn't.

You made money with your effort. What I've learned from your life is that you had a family background, even though you are a humble person, but you had your father, right?

My father and my mother divorced when I was 6 years old.

Yes, I'm also a son of divorced parents, but you had a father. I think sometimes it's a little complicated, this comparison you make. For example, you, despite being poor, but you had a father.

There are a lot of people today who are from communities that have no father, that have no mother, you know?

That the guy sometimes even suffers from food issues. And it blocks, if you don't have protein, it destroys your brain. Exactly. Man, there are some restaurants here in São Paulo that sell food scraps to these people.

So, this reality is very different.

And what's the question?

No, what I wanted to tell you is this. Even based on all the conversation we had here. Your courses are very good. I've had a friend who is a graduate and took your course. My concern about the course is...

Wait, everyone wants to answer.

Just a quick one, 30 seconds. The problem is when a person who doesn't have a degree takes your course because they become a motivated beast, in my opinion. That's what I'm afraid of sometimes.

That's just my observation. right, I agree 100% There's no one here who is a communist, communism is an illusion I'm a communist A communist wouldn't have the courage to come here You're a frustrated guy I'm a very happy guy

You don't even know what happiness is, What's the difference between happiness and joy? You don't know. You haven't learned anything about it.

You have to let me talk.

I couldn't develop my happiness. But it's a war. You were one of the best. But if I don't stop you, you'll drown me.

That's your secret.

3, 2, 1...

Go!

You're gonna get your money. What's your name?

Lua. Lua, come on, speak close to the mic.

Wealth...

It's from God and everyone wants to stay. It's because there's so much poverty in the world. What is poverty to you? Poverty is looking down and seeing a person who... Who gave up. Who gave up on life.

Who needs what? Emotional intelligence since he was a kid, financial education since he was a kid, we spend 140 billion a year on education, and we don't teach the guy to do basic math until he's in the middle. But how is the person going people get out of there? 1 billion. But they can't get out.

They can't? No. There's a bunch of NGOs out there trying to give cash to the guys. They're trying to keep the guys there to have 1 billion reais in the budget to keep 80 thousand people in the city thrown on the street. Why is there so much poverty in Africa? Because they were mentally assaulted. And we weren't. Of course we were. That's why we have to change our minds. And why can you become billionaires while most of you are poor? You are not us.

We.

No, us.

Got it?

The richer, the more generous you are, the more wealth you will have available.

Ok, but I...

Man, if we take out all 21 million companies today, what will be left here? I see... No, no, pay attention. 100 million out of 200 are workers. If we take out all the jobs, what will be left in this country? Ok, you rich people... You are not rich, you are rich too, man. I'm rich, I pass by poor people every day and I don't contribute.

I see poor people helping the poor, I don't see rich people helping the rich. That's true. Every day.

But not all rich people are like that.

Yeah, not all rich people are like that. But most of them are like that. Do you know why? Because you're far from them. You have to understand that they are normal human beings. They only have a little bit of a problem. Exactly. You are egocentric.

You guys, no. I'm not from the rich's union. I'm not defending the rich.

But you are.

No, man. You know what the detail is? But I don't see that, I'm a truck driver. So, brother, do you want to become a truck driver or not? I'm going to get my driver's license next year. So, what's missing?

Nothing is missing, time. Time? Time is money, I don't have time. How much does your wallet cost?

Wallet? 3 thousand. I'll pay your wallet then, you don't have to get there. Do you want me to pay or not? You know it. No, I don't know. I'll show you something. When you meet someone who is really rich, and the person feels you are real, they can help you. Do you want it?

I want it, man.

Then it's paid.

Deal. Deal?

That's it.

What's up? What's your name?

My name is José.

What's up, José?

I wanted to ask you a question about God. What is the path you think I should follow with God to become a millionaire? That I would be a millionaire in the future.

I know I will be, I don't know when, but I know I will be.

With God, you just have to accept nature, your identity is there in Genesis 1, verse 26. Let us make man our image and likeness, and dominate him over the animals of heaven whole Earth. So if you... It's not in a religion that you're going to do this, but accepting what you are in fact, in nature. Right? After that, if you want to have more intimacy with God,

you'll get the Christ mentality, which is the guy who has the greatest character of all. Then you put him inside you. Then you flow through the Holy Spirit. Do you know what's going to happen? You won't care about anything anymore. You won't go after money. Because who goes after money, loses his soul.

Loses his calm.

Loses his peace.

The secret is not going after it. The secret is not winning. It's building. When the people of Israel left Egypt, what did they do? They lived in Manah.

But Manah is only for those who are crossing the desert. When Israel arrived, they built wealth. Building wealth is investing in people, tools, technology, methods. That's what you have to build. God will be happy with you. Just remember one thing. Just as Sodom and Gomorrah gave up, it wasn't because of sexual perversity. It was because they were arrogant, they didn't help the poor, they didn't give them work, and that's what happened.

Deal? Deal.

I'm going to count to three and kiss you.

seek first the kingdom and justice and the other things will be added. In Matthew 6, verse 33, seek first the kingdom and the justice, and the other things will be added.

So, exactly.

Don't seek the federal university, don't seek these things.

First you put God first, and the other things will come. Not only wealth, because wealth is not only money. Wealth is having a happy family, these things.

In my case, I'm a Christian, I was a CLT until the beginning of the year. You weren't, right? You were.

I was.

Because that doesn't define your identity.

Yes, then I got it, before I left CLT, I stayed for a year, I started investing in a business in the free market, in Shopee, I started buying and selling, I learned, I liked it, I'm still into it. Did you learn it by yourself or did you buy someone's method?

I learned it by myself.

So you're congratulating, it will take longer. If you learn from someone, you can scale it. How many millions a month are you doing?

Not millions, I'm taking a salary.

If you connect, I have a partner who teaches this, Guedes, if you buy something from him and he teaches you, he'll make you do it much faster. Got it?

But I also make videos for YouTube.

So my other income is YouTube and TikTok.

How many income do you have?

I have three. Three.

I'm a photographer.

How many do you want?

I want to have at least five.

Learn not to depend. Multiply your talent and make other people take on all the responsibilities. Those who don't want to get rich, those who just want to work. Got it?

Yes.

Oops.

What's up?

Faustino, how are you? Good. You'll see how it goes. Before, your life was transformed by Christ, similar to another guy, right? Are you part of a church or something like that?

So, we can say that you are a Christian. You were born again. As an atheist, I tell you that God doesn't want people to get rich.

What does He want? To be born in poverty?

On the contrary. I would say that He is indifferent to this question.

I came to have life and life in abundance. I didn't come to poverty in his speech. But from the moment we start to look at Christianity,

it's much more Franciscan than it is adept at the theology of liberation.

Yes, the theology of liberation, I'll go further. The one of prosperity too. My theology is the one of the kingdom, if you want to discuss this subject. I'll explain later what is king and priest.

We can discuss this subject. Especially from the point of view when biblical principles are sometimes even sold through their contents. So, if your heart is not focused on wealth, as it was said before, why connect something that is indifferent, which is the Kingdom of Heaven,

which is totally indifferent to the wealth of the Earth, why connect it with your content and thus, in order to monetize?

That's what I live for. 99% of everything I do is free. And 1% of who wants to learn. This 1% has nothing to do with biblical principles. 100%. I live for that. It's my life, I don't mix God, I live God.

Ok, you live. And why monetize God in this way would be correct?

Do you know what I could do? I like what you're talking about. I could very well get a job, work to earn a value to be able to teach someone to do something. There's no problem monetizing what you live. No problem. Do you know how many people who restore marriage listen to me?

From the beginning. I'm So if we put... And what do you know about God's poverty? About God's poverty? I know that He doesn't care about our materiality here on Earth. No? Why does He give you a body? Materiality when we talk about money, when we talk about money.

What does He say? He says you have to bless others. Ask because you ask wrong, ask for yourself. It's in the book of James 4. Ok, we're going to bless others here on Earth without the main intention of taking them to Paradise. It's not going to take us there. This doesn't make sense in the synthesis, man. But it doesn't make sense in yours. It's just being discursive.

No, in the biblical synthesis, through the vision of an atheist

seeing the theologically speaking to you. How do you say you're an atheist? It doesn't even exist. See you next time. No, I'm taking you to change our minds. Meritocracy exists and the people will break it. Where is it?

Hi, Paul.

What's your name?

I'm Matheus Regonat. How are you? Fine. I believe that meritocracy exists, but it's not for everyone. We have a question about public policies that prevent many people from living meritocracy. We recently saw the National Congress pass the income tax on people and exempted it.

And many people who receive up to 5 thousand a month will have that little money at the end of the month. The money that is to buy milk, gas. And many people believe that meritocracy is you work all month, buy your house, pay your bills, you worked, you deserved it, you're paid. But I believe that meritocracy doesn't fit everyone

when politics doesn't reach these people. What's your point of view?

The first point of view is to know what merit is. Merit comes from the sowing and harvesting, it's a principle of this land. So whoever plants, plows. But not everyone was born having a land. So we have to work for someone who has.

Put dreams in our hearts. Then rent a land and then buy a land. Even if it's small. There is the non-deserving. It's us who will depend on others all our lives.

Those who deserve will plant. and plant, and those who live in God's favor, which is another dimension. But that's the problem. No, I'm telling you. The 6x1 scale. When I work, I work on the 6x1 scale.

Are you from PSOL?

I'm a PSOL affiliate, but I'm not a PSOL activist.

Okay, you're not an activist and you have a PSOL shirt.

It's my name.

And that PSOL symbol in the middle going to deny that you're an activist? No. If you put the symbol of PSOL... It's okay, you've already assumed it, it's okay. It's the scale you're talking about.

When the worker works at the scale, you go to receive a minimum wage. He... A minimum wage. And pays rent, water, electricity, food.

Man, slavery has only changed sides. Before, they worked on their own farm, in feudalism. Now they live somewhere else and are more stressed. So the person doesn't have to ask for a different scale. He has to free himself from any kind of scale. It's not for everyone. It's not for everyone. Do you know what will happen to Brazil to prosper?

Soon there will be someone with a different mentality ruling the country. We'll have to bring people from abroad, because most of them have been bring people from outside, because most of them are spoiled for 50 years, they won't accept to change. You tell me, do you prefer the 4x4 scale? Let me tell you, I prefer the scale that the guy woke up.

I've already done this 6x1 scale and thought it was a mess. I've only done the 4x3 scale. We say, too good, set up a company there. But I worked 4 days, 12 hours a day. By the way, I come straight from work. Look at the color of my nails. Congratulations, hit here. Worker's nail is top. What do you do to get your hands dirty?

I'm a production assistant in a packaging factory. And I work gaining weight.

Yeah, you stay 12 hours?

It's 12 o'clock. From 6 in the afternoon to 6 in the morning.

I suggest you do the following. After work, I have to take care of my mom and my sister, who is autistic. But you don't use your cell phone? I have to use my cell phone. What social media do you use?

I have Instagram.

So you don't use TikTok, you use Instagram. No, all the time. No, all the time you're not working, your guy is working.

I have to take care of the house too, I have food to cook.

If the legislation doesn't change, I suggest you do, you find another way, because there is. Yeah, for sure. Man, working 12 hours, 12 hours is too much, man.

For sure, it's hard.

Yeah, man.

And I'll go to work today.

So, finish the job, honor your commitments, and the Bible tells you to do it as if you were doing it for God. Keep doing what you're doing. Just remember one thing, you got in circumstances, you can live in decisions. I started when I was 9.

I started when I was 12, as a can opener. Then I became a production assistant. In a factory that didn't register me. I was a waiter, then a truck driver assistant. And today I'm a production assistant for 3 years.

What do you want me to do?

Say something about the 6x1 scale.

I'll let you go now. How much do you want per month?

I earn R$3,600 per month, plus some discounts.

Ok, let's go. I'll give you R$3,600 to study, new possibilities to sell a digital product, you leave. For a month I'll pay you.

What if I don't get a response? What response?

What if I don't have results? Are you going to do what I was saying? If I follow everything you're saying and I don't have results? I'll give you two months.

Are you sure?

Me? What is this? I'm already talking here publicly. It's because everyone says it, but I kept my word. Man, consider it done. If in a month you don't have results, it's ok, I'll give you one more. I'll spend R$7,200. Do you accept?

I do.

But you'll have to take this symbol off your name. I'll never do that. So it's denied. It's a principle of mine. So there's no way I can help you. Otherwise your head won't change.

Got it? What's the problem? Why did I tell him to take it off? His militant mind will prevent him from even attending classes. And with the tools, I know if he attends or not. So what am I going to do? I'm going to pay for his month off, he's going to be a militant, the guys will kidnap his brain, destroy his life,

and everything I'm saying doesn't work. It's simple, it won't work. It's not because I'm bad. If you regret taking this being a militant, I'll support you. I'll support you until you invest more money. That's the mentality, bro. You decided to give your life to the people.

You came here to talk about wealth, you came to defend the scale, the agenda that this shit from this party is doing in the National Congress. That's your problem. You work for them for free.

Go!

I'm back, Pablito!

So, what's this shyness, calling me Pablito?

Oh, Pablito, Palmito, anything. For those I don't have respect, as I say... No, going back to meritocracy, the question...

Thank you!

Man, that's bad, right? A person with no respect doesn't even have to debate.

I lost.

I hope you don't interrupt me so much now.

Hey, go ahead, ask questions, I'll ask questions.

No, I'll ask questions, I'll ask questions.

If you want to tell the story, I'll stop. I believe in meritocracy, I believe, I believe that people have the same ability to go. But I want you to answer me, the person who is in Rio de Janeiro, under the tutelage of an organized crime. He has to run away now.

Do you think he has the same opportunity as me, for example?

No.

So meritocracy in some cases does not exist.

You don't know what meritocracy is, man. It's like this. Were you born with a house in your name? Were you born with a bank account? No. You had to fight, right? Yes. But there are some who are born. Do you know what my revolt is? You will freak out.

My children were born and became princes. I came from the proletariat. You freak out that today I'm holding their feet. Look at my arm, I'm thrilled to remember that. I tell them, you are playboys. You have to understand life the way I understood it.

I came from the brink. Exactly. So, you know what? I don't have to diminish them. I have to accept them as they are. They came on vacation, man. They came, their dad giving everything. Now, you want to know something, there at home? I don't give anything to anyone.

I pay for experience and I make them, since they were little, buy their own things.

Excellent, but...

Wait a minute. It's because you talked about the meritocracy of a wrong driver. Not deserving. Not necessarily. No, it's wrong. I'm telling you, you know why? Because I've lived on your side and I'm on the other.

No, but the problem is that, man, when you talk about meritocracy, with people living in these situations...

This one has to run away. The problem... No, it's not running away, man. You're giving one more shallow solution. It's not this parallel system. Who created it?

The government, maybe.

There are ministers of justice getting out of their cars inside the complex, anyway. Did you come from the hood?

I came from the hood, man.

So the pain you're feeling is the same as I'm feeling. Exactly. But when you say that meritocracy is... When did I say that? There are three levels. Not deserving, deserving, and favor.

When people are on top of this system, you have to analyze other problems. Do you want to free them?

I do. What have you done? Tell me, I can help you.

Today I follow the Brazil Free Movement, which I think is the solution of this country,

Renan Santos is president. Good luck to you. And I think you have to bring knowledge to these people. That's what I'm doing. Because meritocracy by itself won't work. I asked you, you took the opportunity to do Renan's ad, but what are you doing for them?

That's your problem, you want to defend something you don't do. I don't do it because I don't have the means to do it. But you do, you can spend an hour a week, you can teach something, you can make a donation with the little you have. I've already made donations, I've already got involved in these things. Have you already done it or do you still do it?

I still do it.

So you're doing it, why didn't you say? No, exactly, but I'm debating with you. Never! It's R$150,000, it depends on the person. So, do you think Jesus Christ would do that? No, because Jesus doesn't have a billionaire around him wanting to have lunch with him.

No, exactly, but if Jesus Christ doesn't free people...

Yes, Jesus died on a cross, you don't want to die. Do you want of that? That you think there wasn't much result in that? No, it's because he wanted to make fun of the 5000 guy all the time.

Yes, I saw that video.

So I gave him a chance to stop being stupid, he wanted to be stupid and create his own movement.

He was trying to rap.

He just questioned you.

No, he wanted to rap.

He doesn't see results. I don't know, don't include me in this. But if you're talking, do you have a value judgment? Do you know the case? You don't know. You saw a cut and took the body out. Of course not. I found your posture of a guy who probably took out 100,000 reais. Did you know me? I already knew you. I made lunch, lunch is available. The guy bought it. What do you have to do with this? Jesus died on the cross, you don't die on the cross. Jesus didn't sin, you sin. But you...

You're interrupting, man.

A good guy like you has to interrupt.

3, 2, 1...

Go!

Good.

Hey, Pablo. Good again?

I'm not the champion. Why did you stop him from getting 50 thousand reais?

I'll tell that now.

Go. No, go back to the subject. Forget that, it's over. Ok, I'll talk about it, but getting to the meritocracy. If you don't talk about the subject, they'll raise their hands.

God doesn't condemn the Bible, doesn't condemn ambition to wealth. He condemns greed.

Greed is something perverse. I agree with what Marius said. What you said here today, talking with the speech I said, I fucking agree, it was awesome, Pablo.

It was what?

For a person to become rich, the mentality, you know, two points, the mentality and the talent. Right? No, the connection, the access to the store,

to the brand, is a little more.

And the connection, exactly.

You said that? I was missing a little bit. Fuck. Man, 5 minutes later you were trying to buy everyone. Not buying, blessing is different. You come from the way you feel something. You feel disposable and you have a rejection block. I can prove it.

You were trying to buy everyone.

Not buying, it's just the way of seeing it, man. Ask who was blessed and felt bought. You who feel disposable and rejected. You have a rejection block. I got it at that time. I was aiming at you there. What rejection block? Later, we'll talk about it later.

And selling yourself, is it a rejection block? Are you selling yourself?

An opportunity.

You're the one who's talking. You just said you're a thing.

An opportunity.

You just said you're a thing. I didn't say. You did. You have to sell yourself. It's wrong. Nobody has to sell themselves. You have to tell the story. Where's the meritocracy in this? Where do I sell an intern for 20, 50 thousand? He wasn't selling. I was offering.

You don't even know the relationship between buying and selling.

An offer is not a sale?

No. You don't know. Take it from the legislation. What is an offer? What is an offer? What is a sale? What is selling? What is donating? Buying a product or service No, if I donate, I'm not buying, if I donate I have to pay the tax on donations. How old are you? 21 Man, go study a little.

Don't try to be a guy with the ignorance you have, you need to study a little.

I study, I do economics.

Do you do economics? I do economics. You don't do economics, you do use it again when you are the champion.

Senna didn't write 45 books, did he?

I wrote 82. He doesn't even know how to fly a helicopter.

He used to fly it, I got it wrong. What else do you want to say?

That's it.

Thanks. Keep trying. I mean, if you try, you can't do it. One day you will. Bonner. One, two, three, four, five.

So? 5,000 reais, my lost hand.

Go, I'll give you. You want to buy my lost hand? 5,000. So, okay.

Give him a round of applause.

My 5,000.

But, Pablo...

Take your name with you.

Coming back to something...

Take your name with you.

Not now. Coming back to something serious. Not now. I'm going back to something serious. Just to remind you, 5 thousand bought his dignity. But I'm going to pay.

No, I sold my dignity with my own hands.

You sold your own hands? Just like Lula sold his own?

I sold my work force.

Your work force?

Stop it, bro.

You sold your dignity. Let's talk about the subject. Ask the question. Meritocracy, imagine that the whole country bought your courses. It changed my income. You bought your courses for a whole year. I got a free month. You changed a whole month. And everyone is working 14 hours a day.

No, I have to work less.

Those who work with me work less. How long will everyone who bought and believed in what you are saying

become a billionaire? Jesus will come to earth. The answer is mine. If not even Jesus, who is perfect, was able to convince everyone and won't convince anyone, how am I going to make everyone change?

There's no way. How long have you been listening? Do you have cognition? Yes, now you speak. I'm telling you there's no way. Why?

Because people have a closed heart. People are militants. They defend the madness of their philosophy teachers that have no results, are frustrated with their parents, with their families, with their God.

It's the same thing I feel.

Guys, study so you don't get like this, for God's sake.

Study to get a result, don't study to be humble.

Do you know why we won't get rich? Because not everyone is bad-tempered. In Brazil there are a lot of humble people, everyone who is hard-working,

and who wakes up in the morning to really build this country. What are you building? What do you work with?

I'm going to give back...

What do you work with, man?

I'm not going to tell you.

You eat our public money, man. What do you mean, public money? You know what you are? You work with this.

I work with this.

I work with this, rolling you. You understand what rolling is?

Who's stealing my time?

You're going to get yourself into trouble. I'm not stealing anything. You're stealing my time. You're not going to fix this? Okay. What do you mean? You don't teach. Where do I teach? You have to pay for being a worker. You're a lazy guy who stays in the library doing what? Working.

What are you working for? Tell me what your job is.

I won't tell you.

How much do you earn for it? I don't owe you anything.

Then get up. You owe me 5 thousand reais now that you bought my apartment. I don't owe you anything. Let's set the date of payment? Let's do it. What day? 2030, I'll pay you. 2030?

Yeah, 2030.

Are you going to have interest?

No, I'll set it.

December 31, 2030. Will it be fixed by inflation? No, the payment is 2030. I didn't agree with you, because I know you're smart. It's paid.

2030, December 12. Ok? December 12. I'll be in the US with your money and I'll be recording the video. I won't be able to go to the US. You won't.

Because it's a dictatorship and those who criticize them can't go there.

It's like this, you're paid, I'll pay you. And I'll pay you in money, you have to get it.

I'll obey.

You'll see how you'll prosper.

But this is not a good payer.

But I made some disagreements? Not yet. 31 of December, I'll be in the United States. In 2030. Ok.

Deal?

Deal.

If I'm in Brazil, you can be there too.

Ok.

Deal.

Hi, again.

How are you? How are you?

Let me pass you the microphone, Joia.

Thank you.

What's your name again?

Tâmis. Tâmis, yes. I understand the meritocracy issue, I understand it exists, don't take me off yet, I understand it exists, but I don't understand that it's for everyone, they've already said it here. I'd like to know, it's just a question, what do I need to have to have two minutes of your time? I have a challenge for you, a challenge that will change the Gospel,

and if I speak here, they'll take me off.

Two minutes of your. Perfect, thanks. Next.

The subject is meritocracy. Go ahead.

Go ahead.

So, can I get this meritocracy now? You can. Oh, yeah? For example, I... If I ask for a pique, do you think I can do it?

For whom? What is Pix?

For me, right? Investing.

Ok, let's go. What did you plant to deserve?

What did I plant? The business, I have a business.

Meritocracy is planting to reap. It's assistentialism.

No, it's not assistentialism.

Then explain it to me. You are the guy who persuades, who does all this.

I wanted to know if you can convince the public.

It was the people who took you out, it wasn't me, otherwise I would say.

But there it is, whoever wants to change.

That's it, it won't make you rich. You should have told a story. I would have done it. You should have told a story. I would have done it. You should have told a story. The guy from MBL is lost. Go ahead.

You said meritocracy exists, right? I wanted to understand better...

It's logic, right? I said it's logic.

I wanted to understand better how you think about this meritocracy.

Not deserving, deserving and favor. For example, the son of a rich man is born of a favor. He doesn't even need to plant. Period. Let's discuss this. What does everyone want? Everyone wants to not have, for example, inheritance.

Oh, so the inheritance has to go to the state for us to share the money, right? It's simple. Who has inheritance will send it to another country. And that's it. That's what is done. If they don't deserve it, they think they don't have the capacity, so they won't plant. So we, who have the wealth, both private and public, have to distribute it to them. And I think it's fair. Because the tax, in fact, is a consortium for the poorest.

That's the tax.

Which is distributed also through Bolsa Família, and other things, right?

No, I'm not just talking about that. Even for buses bus companies. You have no idea. So, like, not deserving is one level, deserving is another, and favor is another. Now, I don't deserve it, so I'm going to keep bothering who's under a favor?

And how do you divide who deserves and who doesn't?

I'm not the one who divides, it's really the choices. For example, I'll give you an example. The choice is simple. My children were born in a house of someone who had a driving license. Right. I wasn't born. My father wasn't born. My grandfather was born. Look how crazy. The grandfather broke. The other one comes and has to work. The other one works even more and the other one gets rich. I retired my mother, just so you know.

Cool.

My mother... For me, a really rich guy, I retire my parents. I think it's everyone's dream. I don't know if it is. Most people don't want that. It's simple. I won't gain anything by taking the rich out of their place. On the contrary, my country will lose.

I think many people here don't want to take the rich out of their place.

They want to.

In my position, I think most people here want to have dignity.

They will receive their salary on December 31, 2030. It's hard on the heart.

I think most people here want to have dignity, opportunities, so they want to put their hands on the table, want to give peace to their family, want to bring security and education to their home. So, for example, I have three daughters. So my wish is to give the best to my daughters,

whether in studies, in food, in education.

Invest in mentality, experience, access. I try to do all of this with them.

Put them in challenges so they can break their minds.

They do wrestling, gymnastics, they do a lot of things.

Can I help with anything else?

I want to keep understanding this. How is this growth functionality? Growth in meritocracy, what do you think? It changed.

Your talk is good, but it needs to be war. Otherwise, we can't visualize it. Pablo, just to ask you, we got here to the consensus that meritocracy is not an absolute truth, like everyone here. It is an absolute truth, but it is not for everyone, it depends on the phase that the person is in. Exactly. The frequency of it. People are born in different conditions. People like me, who worked far away, studied at night, went to college, worked,

and had no nutritional condition to the point that I'm not sure if I've fully developed my mental abilities. In your case, as I've discussed, you have an absurd mental ability. You're top. You're not in this picture.

I'm not sure. I think I could be more.

Ah, but this is your training. Worry less about things and you'll be great in life. Everything will be fine. The amount of things to do, I don't know if I can handle this poverty.

It's crazy.

And again, the majority... But it's wrong, because the program was for 30 poor people. Poor people. From the bottom of my heart.

But it's already started? I'm already talking. Oh, ok, sorry. Ok, I have my marriage to be.

No, man, just ask the question. What is the intention here? If you come here to do shit, I'll stop. Ask questions to generate cuts, to pump the business and everyone wins with it.

Then you take advantage.

Take advantage. I'll give an example here for everyone. Look here, I made Marçal wet. You have to make the videos. But you don't respect. You wanted me to hit you. You wanted me to hit you.

Calm down. You lied to me. Take care. You sit. You can be the last one. You're the last one.

You're the last one, ok? This is the last one. When you sit down, I'll get up. Ok?

This is the last one.

Go.

No, no.

No way. 30% excludes what has no respect.

That's it.

You got it?

Even the guy who sold himself for 5,000 has respect. Go. Look, ok. So, let's start from the old theme of the budget. Oh, ok. Ok, so let's start from the old assumption, that... Ok, let's agree... Wait, how?

Wait, wait, wait. Let's agree that millionaires generate jobs, ok.

But what happens in Brazil... Son, stop with this confusion, just ask the question.

Wait, wait, wait. Let me finish first.

We live in... Wait, man.

The name of this is mental prolexity. Mentally, mentally, it's something that the person does.

Look, we live in a country that is dominated by organized crime. You were a candidate for the mayor of São Paulo, you tried to be a candidate for president, so I wanted to know how you do it here. The kid, let's say, we have a kid who lives in a city in the interior of Maranhão. He doesn't have the conditions to really receive a good education,

to start a business and to create a job.

How do you change that? Not me, right? Everyone has to do it.

No, you tried to become president.

No, but no one does anything alone. No, but you have to have a proposal. Did you propose to the guy who could solve the Tutia 12? No, wait, no, calm down, man. That's not how the base works. Relax. The church, the church that is in the break is one of the things that most restores people's minds. Ok, I agree. But the kid, at the same time, lives in a place where the influence is from organized crime and is influencing his head.

And why is it influencing? Because everyone wants to prosper. Or the guy wants to become... Does the organized crime want to prosper? Everyone. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah, Jesus, what did he do to the bandit who repented? Today you'll be with me in paradise. What are you? Are you the devil? Are you Satanist?

I don't know, man.

I had no idea. You guys from the MBL have a huge fight.

I'm not even from the MBL.

What do you work with, son? You work... No, apologize to your father. So, let's go. Go. With all this enrichment, what do you think about all this pilantra that enriched? We can talk about the Batista brothers, we can talk about Odebrecht,

we can talk about Feio Dava, Luiz Atrajano, who was accumulating that little blues fee, the RMS Conforme. And then I keep thinking, can you be big here, grow financially in Brazil, being honest? Yes.

Why? How?

Man, you imagine, you're in Brazil, 98% of the labor processes are where? In the world. Brazil. What happens? There's a guy who's a worker, he discovers an opportunity for a lawyer, he goes there and starts a process in a company of 2 million. 10 guys like that, it's 20 million. There's a medium-sized company, there's 20 million in the bank to pay.

So, you still sue the others?

That's the detail. Much like the country of the process, we have too much law and too much legal confusion.

Right.

We have a country where you have to be very careful with that. So, you say, Luiz, your statement, you're going to receive the lawsuit because of that. No, but there's a source. No, you can have the source, but the way you're doing it is because you don't know the law. Article 38, 39 and 140 of the Criminal Code. You don't have to defame, because otherwise you'll have to prove it.

But it's not defamation. No, you say that the guy does it, but you'll have to answer the lawsuit and then you'll have to prove something. Wake up, let's see. No, let's not see. That's the problem. I already answered the question, there's a way. Now, how do you make it big? Pay attention. I built the Reinado that we have today without a single real of public money.

The campaign I did for the mayor I didn't put a single real of mine and not a single real of public money.

Okay, I don't have public money either.

So, I'm telling you, How are you going to compete with these guys who have an absurd advantage? You don't have to compete. You have to take care of the market niche. There are people who are willing to massacre you.

No, there aren't.

There are 21 million companies. You're talking about 400 companies in the stock market. It's not a small number. It's not a small number.

They are giants.

Dude, I'm telling you that the guy who was leaving the desert, you would come back, but there were 12 princes of Israel, 12 tribes. Only Joshua and Caleb were able to bring down the giants. Are you afraid of giants? When you talk about getting rich, you always reduce the thing, it's a mental issue. It's all mental, first and foremost. No, it's not. It's spiritual, first of all. Right, but... You just got there.

If the guy wasn't nourished in the first 10 days after he's born. He's going to have a problem. Exactly. And that's what we have to help. How much money have you already released for nutrition for the poorest?

I do what I can.

No, how much? The conditions I have. How much?

I don't count that.

You didn't even do it, right? What was the name of the nutrition you gave? What protein did you give? And the place you gave it? I'm not defending this. I'm not a billionaire syndicate. You cut it. Bye. Pablo, you defended the billionaires' side. I didn't defend it. I'm not a billionaire's unionist.

No, it's okay, you're not a unionist, but you took a more extended point of view.

No, you left home to attack me. No, that's it.

And I left to serve you.

I didn't leave.

I just want to ask you a question. And your deal with me is with God. I'm an agnostic. That's why. But anyway, the question is, I want you to appoint a billionaire

who doesn't owe any favors to the state.

Favor?

Yes.

Most of them. Everyone owes. Why?

Because.

You, as a citizen, owe the state? I owe more because I signed a social contract when I was born. So, if you just said that, everyone owes. No, but I'm talking about financial agreement. For example, you said it yourself, Ben 10. I didn't have it myself. I didn't get any money myself.

Congratulations to you, Conflay.

You're an exception.

But the exception is the donkey's example.

It's the same as the diagnosis. You're an exception.

I'm an exception.

What is the exception in your vision? My diagnosis can be very broad. Your diagnosis is that you're immature. That's it. No, I'm not immature. I have a very formal view. I'm immature, but you're more.

I think you're more.

No, you know why you're more?

You were hitting the table here, because you were out of control.

I was out of control?

I did this for what? To make fun of you.

Of course.

That's what I don't like you, I'm not saying I hate you as a human being, that's not it. I like you. I don't like your positions and some points because... You don't have to like it, man. You take care of your life. Exactly.

We don't like each other.

That's it.

Take care of your life. But you take care of yours too. I'm taking care.

I'm taking care beat you up with a ball. Man, you look like a demon, like, random. You fell inside the church.

You're the craziest I've ever seen.

You're scared.

I'm so scared to talk to an unbalanced person. Look, there were people rejecting Terno. I bought Terno for 50,000. There were people here who tried to be smart. There were people here who just came to shit on the table. But anyway, we that a lot of things have to change. I think that having a cognitive bias alone makes you really dumb emotionally.

And I learned things here. Despite having come from poverty, having conquered the wealth we have, which is not even the beginning of what we have to come, because we will use a lot of it to serve other people, I want to ask you, promise me you don't like me, or that you like me, give a like, bro.

Bless this channel, this channel invested energy, a studio, and I came to change your mind. And at least you don't like it. Send it to someone else who doesn't like it, but send it to someone. And at least you don't like it. Send it to someone else who doesn't like it, but send it to someone. Like it, share it, and we're together until the end.