1 GenZ Liberal vs 20 Boomer Trump Supporters (ft. Luke Beasley) | Surrounded

Would you be in a foxhole with Donald Trump or in a foxhole with Kamala Harris?

He had an option to go into the foxholes and he lied multiple times to not get drafted.

I focus on let's get the population healthy.

We got a bunch of sick people.

We're not going to do it by taking away their health care. He had a lawful asylum claim. He had gone to the voter checkpoint. When you're trying to deport 20 million people, sometimes a few things happen. Hi, I'm Luke Beasley. I'm a liberal, gen Z, political commentator. And today I'm surrounded by 20 Boomer Trump supporters. My first claim is a Maganomics is terrible for the economy.

You look very swanky. Very nice to meet you. Let's just start here, okay? Because you would agree Trump's landmark economic policy is tariff, tariff, tariff. That's like his biggest thing.

Well, let's start with the big picture. Trump has the right vision.

Wait, oh, we'll get there. Let's just get clear. Who pays the tariff right vision. Wait, oh, we'll get there. Let's just get clear. Who pays the tariff?

Okay, first of all, I'm a businessman. I do gross CFO work around the world. I got hundreds of clients. I've been 30 years of building businesses. Beautiful. I can tell you firsthand the reason why many of my American companies can't get into foreign

markets is because of tariff? Well, the importer does. The importer. So every time Trump says foreign countries are the ones who pay the tariff, it's not US companies, he's lying. That's true. Weird for his whole economic policy to be based on a lie, but okay.

Well, what does it do? So the tariff barriers create a fairer access, so it's all about fair. Americans, look around the room. You got some of the most talented people you will ever know in the world. We can, give us a chance to compete, level playing field, we will do the work, we will bring in the international business. Many of our jobs, with globalization, which I led,

many of our jobs have gone international because of unfair terror practices. Even when we had property in China. We had to hire a non-tariff barrier We had to hire a Chinese spy to be in our telecom company still in our secret. Okay, which is like a

We gotta go more when you look at the impact. We've seen job growth slowing. We've seen GDP growth slowing Unemployment ticking up employment getting worse. That's all an impact of him slapping these futures. He's also tariffing, just quickly, Brazil, which we have a trade surplus with, so it's not the trade barrier reason. He's tariffing countries where it doesn't make coherent sense because he's upset about this thing or that thing, but then we're the ones paying the consequences. That's incoherent.

Let's be clear about impact. In the second quarter, GDP was at 3%, which is a normal range for us. Core inflation is at 2.1 to 2.4%, which is normal for us. Unemployment down at 4%.

You agree that we saw 48 consecutive months of job growth under Biden, and then Trump came in and we lost jobs for the first time in June, I think it was.

But we agree there's 4% unemployment, which is a...

Well, he was handed 4% unemployment. You can't give him credit for that. That's what Biden gave him. Agreed? Biden's economy was good?

Not agreed. In Biden's economy inflation went up some years 9%.

We handled it better than our G7 counterparts. That was kind of a pandemic thing.

We have $6 trillion of new foreign investment coming in. We have a focus on AI. We have a focus on we have a focus on a i we have a focus on energy trump has a right vision for americans are probably the people like you so

let's talk again about he his argument right is that we're going to bring in a bunch of domestic manufacturers which will be more expensive otherwise we would've been manufacturing here already we've got them elsewhere because it was cheaper and so he's a will bring

you can expect to say i think our job but they're saying you said our jobs over but if you look at the is not the manufacturing is important to use up twenty thousand manufacturing companies around chicago alone when it many of them left never to return which are job for people like the people in the room and people i think that's what you should that is not a russ rodge strokes draconian tariffs as shown by met we're losing many backtracks what we're have a lot of action that i have more orders they can deliver buzzer anecdotal not the product has a lot to

know why you're against fair trade for america on for that i can't and if

trumpeted negotiate that how do you get to about doing terry if you want to use as a threat but he goes the country says you have these trade barriers if you don't reduce them, I'm gonna slap tariffs. That'll be one thing. That's not what he did. So you think iffy threats work. But that's not what happened. He just slapped tariffs on the whole world, including an island with penguins on it,

and then started trying to make deals, but it wasn't really working. So he just started, wait, really hear this. Not very many. It was like three that were actually deals. concessions saying, hey, this is your tariff rate. So there was no concession. We still have to pay higher tariffs here.

We don't get the benefits that he says we're going to get, but we get the downsides of paying higher prices.

We get the chance to employment, the companies I work for get a chance to-

Well, it's not working.

Okay, pause.

You've been voted out. My friend, Luke, nice to meet you.

Hi. Hi, Luke. How are you? Good, how are you? Nice to meet you.

What's your name?

My name is Rosalyn.

Rosalyn?

Yes.

Nice to meet you.

Nice to meet you. So, we're going to do this with everyone.

Okay.

We agree Trump lies when he says foreign countries pay the tariffs. You know, what's interesting about that is that if they weren't paying something, why were they so hard-working trying to get out of it? China, Japan, Mr. Japan is not paying the US government in tariffs,

correct? Money is coming in. Money is coming in from multiple countries. First of all, you have UAE, Saudi Arabia, Japan, South Korea, that have all come to the table to give more than a trillion dollars

each.

Wait, we're talking about tariffs right now.

Why are these countries paying us in tariffs? I do not agree that the tariffs were the best idea, but I'll go ahead and give you that. OK, but all of the deals that Trump himself has made with countries that are bringing in over a trillion dollars to give to the economy, where they're going to make money off of the American people, it's gonna be great.

Okay, so, major point, I hear it. But let me connect two thoughts. If Trump's so willing to lie to you, saying that foreign countries pay the tariff, which he repeats constantly, which is not true, then maybe he's lying to you about how many investments are happening. Like when they try to document it on their website, the last time I checked, they were able to document like 2.6 trillion and 1.3 trillion of that was from the Biden era in foreign investments in the United States. So if he's willing to lie about the policy,

he screams about such a beautiful word, Tariff, then he's probably willing to lie about,

thank you.

About how many investments are happening.

Okay, first of all, these countries actually came here, made the investments, spoke to the media. This is not out of the ether. They showed up here in the United States. South Korea, Japan, all of these different people, either they got there or they didn't.

And they are going to invest trillions of dollars into our economy.

They're saying to make Trump relieve the terrorists.

It's going to be good. But there will be more jobs in this economy than what we can probably even...

Why are we losing jobs right now then?

You want to know something?

We were losing jobs under Biden.

We were, we had historic job growth.

No, that is not true.

It's true, a couple of things. First of all, why did we outperform every single country on the planet under Biden in our recovery from the pandemic? We saw better GDP growth, historical unemployment. And then Trump has claimed he brought in $17 trillion in investment to the United States. Okay. Our GDP is like 27, 28 trillion. Does that

make any sense? You think he's about to bring that much in investments? You don't believe

the numbers that Trump said, but you're quoting to me numbers that Biden said. No. So if you

want to know something, if you don't believe one, why do you believe the other? Trump saying in front of a mic, 17 trillion is different than the Bureau of Labor Statistics. I'm not talking about his words. Trump's words, nowhere in the government have they been able to substantiate 17 trillion. Zero. They've only been able to substantiate, as I said, like 2.6, 3 trillion, and a big chunk of that comes from the Biden era. OPS numbers can be substantiated by independent sources and are the institutions we go to for those trackers,

the unemployment, the GDP, all of those things are actually mathematically substantiated whereas Trump's big bold claims aren't.

Do you want to know something?

Pause.

You've been voted out by the majority.

Please return to your seat.

It's a pleasure.

Nice to meet you.

Luke.

Hello. Doing a good job over there, buddy.

You're tough.

Thank you.

Let's see what you got for me. Let's go. So you agree Trump's lying when he says foreign countries pay the tariff?

I don't say he's lying.

But he's wrong. But I'm saying it's not the complete truth.

It's not true at all.

Because everybody is involved in who's paying tariffs. Ultimately it's the companies doing business, but then ultimately it ends up with the consumer. So I have some good feelings about tariffs, I have some not so good feelings, but what I like about it is he's stirring up the pot. He's stirring up the conversation.

And what I like about that is he's got the world talking.

Stirring?

I don't wanna stir if I have to pay more.

Stop stirring!

Oh I do. Oh, I do You want to pay more? I want to stir it up. You want to stir it up? Absolutely You want you I like the world jobs, which we have no I don't like jobs I don't like we lost jobs in June for the first time since the first time Trump was president

I don't like losing jobs and I agree with you. I don't like losing jobs But what I like is we have to get excited about what's possible. And the future for our country and what we're calling magonomics, I'm excited because it's based in capitalism. It's based in free trade.

It's based in getting the world involved.

How is tariffs free trade?

That's the opposite of free trade.

It's an attachment to trade. And people are going to negotiate the number. I mean, you know the opposite of free trade. It's an attachment to trade. And people are going to negotiate the number. I mean, you know the history of tariffs. It used to be this, and now it's that. And now it's becoming a new thing.

But tariffs are just a part of the-

What does that mean?

Tariffs are just a part of doing business.

It's just, that's all it is.

No, it's a trade barrier. It's a tax. barrier but you know go show well you don't know she ate in business just everyone knows here in case your next i don't think you can never use tears for anything there are certain critical

agreement

but trump is using them on everything

on all of these countries he has so many strategies causing heat strategies you need multiple strategies strategies have you met him a i a i look at a i look what he's doing one of these men like a claim conductor terrace that we want things but instead he's doing a my conductors is a good category all i'm glad we agree on that a great negotiator doesn't limit

himself he takes as much as he can and he puts it here doesn't look like we

come up loading fun negotiations are real bro doesn't mean anything no they're real not to go to you don't of the countries. He's sending letters with just, this is your tariff rate, and then we pay more for it.

Okay, tariffs is one thing.

Let's move on to something else.

That's the main thing. Okay, well, let's go next to, I think, demand-side economics, where you really invest in communities that need it and are going to be the quickest trickle-down, insane redistribution of wealth from the bottom to the top with his big beautiful bill. No. The largest cut to Medicaid ever. Nearly a trillion over a decade. We need to

trim things, we need to tighten things. Wait, wait, wait. He lowered taxes. Look, I'm on Social Security, bro. You think I don't worry about this? Bro, he lowered tax rates for the richest Americans. I am for that. While he's taking money from the poorest Americans? Because the richest people are business owners and they're who are creating jobs. Without jobs in America, Luke, you know this, without a job, Luke,

in America, without a job, you have nothing. You have no shot at anything. It's the most

important thing. Which ripping away funds to critical programs hurts the people's community.

This is a capitalist. They now have less money. They have away funds to critical programs hurts the people's community. This is a capitalist.

They now have less money, they have less ability to spend money in the community. We gotta tighten up. We gotta tighten up. We give too much out. Shh, shh, shh. Let's just focus.

Too much. Let's just focus. Did you just shush me, Luke? Come on, that's disrespectful.

I apologize.

I apologize. Get out of here. But, do you agree?

Let's just focus.

Okay, I'm focused.

At the same time, he did one of the biggest giveaways to the wealthiest 1%, he's also, which is increasing our debt, he's also cutting Medicaid. So it's not about tightening up, because he's increasing the debt with these tax cuts for the rich. Medicaid.

And he's cutting Medicaid.

That's not tightening up, it's expanding but for the rich. I can talk about Medicaid. Medicaid has been taken advantage of.

You slapped my hand.

Well, I hope it's okay. Medicaid has been taken advantage of. People are getting Medicaid, they don't deserve Medicaid, they don't qualify for Medicaid, it's not okay. So I like it.

I like that he trimmed Medicaid.

A trillion dollars over a decade is going to cut a bunch of people who do rely on it, who aren't scammers or fraudsters.

We need to get them healthy.

That's just mathematically true.

We need to get them healthy. I focus on, let's get the population healthy.

We got a bunch of sick people.

Well, we're not gonna do it by taking away their healthcare.

Well, let's put the money into people. No, no, programs to get you healthy, not heal you after you're sick.

One way you can stay positive. No, this is the best you got, bro.

Come on, Luke.

Hello. Hello. Gene. Gene, nice to meet you. Nice to meet you.

Okay, so about tariffs, it's actually very simple. All we have to do, just look what happened before. In 1913, the only money coming into United States was from tariffs. What happened after 1913? Yeah, something bad happened, but not because of that. The tariffs was bringing so much money that we could, was able to buy the land.

We could borrow the money to other countries. Everything was fine. Then there was a creation, the financial system. Now, but the history has the facts, right? We had economy running beautifully just on the tariffs with no income tax, no other, no land tax, nothing else.

We didn't have income tax. Why is it not gonna work this time?

So we have a fundamentally different economy, and I think you have rose-colored glasses about that time, and we then went into the Great Depression not too long after that.

No, no, no, no, no, this is the hard-

But let's focus. But we have a fundamentally different economy. if unless you want us to get rid of so security medicare medicaid completely that it's not gonna make any sense for us to pretend like we go back to a time where we had a fundamentally different tax structure so i should i'd just because we were talking about before we've done a lot

of tariff talk and i think i may have one that i would love to hear your stance because i thought i thought we are populist in this room maga populism but we're okay giving huge tax breaks to wealthy folks while you're ripping away health care for millions of americans okay economic

was your friends that uh... we'll see uh... getting a tax break

all that was in trumps be beautiful bill every single and about a little bit

lines it was absolutely not a lot of times for the fact is the the uh... with the tariffs uh... to bring money right now in in he is what he's proposing with the money we're gonna do. The people who's gonna make less than $250,000 will get payback.

People who's making-

He's not gonna give that to you, I promise.

You can't see the future.

I can't, I can't. No, you can't.

I really can't. Look at my eyes, you can't.

It's a delusion. eyes. No, so I mean, okay, maybe you wait, maybe wait for him to give you some paycheck, but in the meantime, he's ripping away health care. In the meantime, he's taking away SNAP benefits. In the meantime, he's giving huge tax breaks to wealthy folks. That's just deranged.

We just had the biggest fraud uncover in social security and Medicaid, and it happened under this administration. Under Trump? Yes. Okay.

Are you, what do you mean okay? So that's why a bunch of people have to lose their health. That's not, just to be clear, my issue is that he's, he's bloating the debt, the deficit and the debt while he's giving tax breaks to the wealthiest Americans. If you look at independent analyses, you'll see the combined outcome of this bill, which is not a good economic policy, it's a part of his magnomics thinking, the trickle-down nonsense, is that the poorest

Americans lose wealth. Literally, that's the analysis. And the wealthiest Americans gain wealth. Okay. Okay, pause. We're out of time. My next claim is Trump is an authoritarian threat to democracy.

Hello. Hello. Larry Mills. Luke. Nice to meet you, Laurie.

Well, why don't you say your prompt again, and I really want you to think about your

prompt. Trump is an authoritarian threat to democracy. He doesn't respect elections. He doesn't respect the nonviolent principles of approaching our democratic process. Doesn't respect court rulings.

Is degrading our democratic process in a lot of key ways.

Okay, so I want you to really think about what you're saying here. He's had two assassination attempts because of rhetoric that you're giving right now. I disagree. Charlie Kirk is dead because of rhetoric that you're giving right now. I disagree. Charlie Kirk is dead because of rhetoric

that you are stating right now. Don't you think it's time to take down the rhetoric?

Yeah, I think absolutely. And I actually make an effort to lower the rhetoric, but me identifying someone's ideology and saying through peaceful means, we should push back against someone's authoritarianism is exactly in line with peaceful principles.

What happened to Charlie Kirk is an abandonment of all of the principles I hold dear. That was horrific. And so the way that we push back against authoritarianism, like for example, if we're saying political violence is wrong, and that's what I believe,

and that's why I am horrified about what happened to Charlie Kirk, then is it not anti-democratic, not in the interest of a peaceful approach to a democratic process for Trump to pardon January Sixers? Well no because a lot of... They were violent? Not all. Specifically think about people who assaulted. Not all. I have a friend. No I don't want to hear about your friend. I'm talking about specifically violent offenders.

Daniel Rodriguez, stun gunned an officer. He had a heart attack. I'm asking is it correct that there were people who assaulted police officers violently who got pardons and are you okay with that? Yes because their due process was violated when people... It wasn't. They had their trial. No they didn't. They had their whole due process. Unlike the people that Trump is without his due process. Again, are you going to let me speak or are you just going to talk over me? Let me answer you. I don't feel like of the United States which says that you have the right to-

We should have peaceful transfer of power, which Trump tried to overturn. I believe that you have a right to a quick and speedy trial.

I believe when you weren't a non-violent offender, you shouldn't- People, we're not talking about the media.

We can get to that over me to be right. No, you brought up violence. Because you want click point. You brought up violence specifically.

No. Okay, so Ashley Babbitt, let me ask you. Like I would never. Ashley Babbitt is dead. Do you think a five foot one, hundred pound girl would?

Wait, wait. I would love to get to Ashley Babbitt next and discuss that case. People were thrown in jail for four years without a trial. Brady material was withheld in their trials. It sounds like you aren't willing to acknowledge. It sounds like you're not willing to acknowledge that people were unfairly mistreated. It would be an hour long conversation if we want to get to each individual case. And for you to say, let's get back to the prompt. Yeah, the prompt is Trump is

authoritarian threat to democracy. Okay, let's get back to the prompt. Yeah, the prompt is Trump is a threat to democracy. Okay, so Joe Biden pardoned murderers. That's Joe Biden. You were okay with that? He removed people off the death row, which is different.

You've been voted out by the majority. Please return to your seat.

Nice to meet you.

Nice to meet you. Hello.

Hi, I'm John.

John, nice to meet you. That's a good handshake. Thank you. Luke is my name.

Luke, I'm sorry.

So what'd you think of that?

What do you disagree?

Several places.

First off, you're saying that Trump is a threat to democracy. Yeah. Do me a favor and define that better for me Yeah, I think if you don't respect key democratic principles like so we don't get caught up I'd love to but on January 6 the entire time we could shift to him threatening media companies Which is not in the interest of I think if you're doing things against like the First Amendment That wouldn't be very in the interest of our democratic process and so lately

I'm sure you kept up with his FCC investigating and threatening media outlets that say stuff that Trump doesn't like. Trump recently said that protesters, literally who screamed at him at a restaurant, should have RICO cases brought against him. I'm sure people are rolling their eyes because they don't believe that's true. You can find the clip. That's completely disconnected from what we should hold dear as Americans, though.

Here's what I think about it. I think that the fundamental, the bedrock of our democracy is civil discourse. Don't you agree? Totally. Okay, so when you speak over the last speaker, you're getting rid of civil discourse. You're turning a dialogue into a monologue. No, I think it's just heated civil discourse. It's heated civil discourse that you can explain away, but doesn't get anything done. I'm here to understand you

and be understood by you, and when when only you speak we're not getting anything done.

Well if any I'll just warn everyone if anyone doesn't even try to acknowledge or respond to the points that I'm bringing up to the claim I'm bringing up then I'm gonna have to stop you because we have limited time and I don't want you to just say a bunch of random stuff. I get it. Just like there you brought up me interrupting when I'm talking about the president's doing. Me interrupting the last individual is a lot less consequential than Trump threatening media outlets who say things he doesn't like.

It's fundamental to our democracy.

But can you address that part? Because we're talking about Trump.

I'm talking about how we even get to a presidential election. We have to be able to talk to each other. I agree, we're doing it now. We have to be able to listen to each other. Yeah. We will never know if she was going to get to her point or not because you didn't let her.

Well sometimes if you take too long to get to a destination I'm going to give up on it.

Okay then I'll go to my next point. You say that Trump is a threat to democracy. The military works for him. Cool. If he wanted to he could still be in the white house from the first presidency battling with those who would follow illegal orders and i'll bet there's a bunch of

them

but didn't happen we're we didn't even give an order because he was willing to leave the white house when he was told to after he

assembled fraudulent electors to try to stay in power after he tried to pressure local election officials to defraud their

voters

after he riled up a mob that attacked the Capitol to try to prevent the certification, and then yeah, after all of those legal schemes failed, he ended up leaving because everything ran out. And that's like an attempted, someone who attempted to murder someone, you saying it's not bad because they weren't able to do it.

And after all that, the system worked. The system prevented somebody from being that bad. But how does that not make him bad for trying, just like an attempted crime? I think he did what anybody would want to do and that is cling to power. Anyone? Yes. It's just like the hate.

Why did no other president deny the peaceful transfer of power like him? He was the first

one. The first one. Why did Al Gore take the hanging Chad situation all the way to the Supreme Court. Al Gore conceded. Did Trump ever concede the 2020 election? Did Trump ever concede like Al Gore did? Al Gore con-

That's an important question. I don't think so. No, he didn't. And that's bad, right?

Al Gore con-

Actually, I think we got into a really important place here.

And now you're talking over me.

Well, because you're't concede elections. Your reason trumps civil discourse. No pun intended. Repeat that what?

Your reason for talking over me

Yeah.

Trumps civil discourse. Now I do intend the pun.

I think, nice, I think Trump attacking media outlets, staying in power, or trying to stay in power illegally after losing an election fair and square is much more dangerous than me speaking over you. Do you realize- You've been voted out by the majority please return to your seat.

Good one. Thank you.

Shane, nice to meet you Shane. Another good handshake. Yes, thank you. So we'll try not to talk over each other because I've got three Gen Z kids. Another good handshake. Yes, thank you. So we'll try not to talk over each other because I've got three Gen Z kids. So I want to hear what you're saying. I think part of the problem is we don't allow dialogue and we don't handle it correctly.

We can't repay arrogance for arrogance, hatred. But the question is, Trump is a threat to democracy, correct? Number one, you mentioned because of the election he wouldn't concede to. Like you mentioned, Al Gore challenged it, Hillary challenged it in 2016.

Both conceded.

But your position is he didn't concede, he fought it. And I think what we need to do also on your side is you gotta get all the facts because there are so many shenanigans and things going on. And actually, Trump supporter, I'm a policy supporter, so I look at not the person but the policies they support. So yeah, he didn't concede in that way, but there was so much with the voting, the Dominion system, and so that's why I'm not...

I'm trying to listen, but...

Okay, go ahead.

Where, let's say Kamala Harris, there are liberal voters who think Kamala Harris, there were all these fraudulent things, and I say, hey hey until that's been demonstrated in a court of law you can't run with conspiracies you can't say that Trump is an illegitimate president go around because of their theories about Kamala's election would it be correct for her to just start trying to like they tried to get Pence to do when she was when she was vice president and she deployed the ideology that Trump was pushing which is that she could have blocked the certification to

keep Biden in power or to try to elect herself with the certification that would have been insane all because of theories that she had I don't care if you felt like there were shenanigans if you saw things on social media it was never demonstrated in a court of law and now Trump's the president right and he

can't find such evidence so my point would back to that would be he eventually conceded by how he handled everything no I don't agree with how he handled everything but he obviously conceded because he stepped down. And then you said...

That's not the same thing.

Okay. Well, and then also the second thing, if I'm not mistaken, is he is going after people. Media. If we had time and we talked about how many people went after him incorrectly from Russiagate

to the this making up of this lies, this topic, you know, it... I don't know, let's say, even though I would obviously disagree on every single one of the examples you would cite, that those things happen, you would say they're wrong. How does that justify Trump then going after ABC or something?

That doesn't make any sense. When Jimmy Kimball says what he said, right, and that is just totally demeaning, lying,

and so obviously these people have to be held accountable.

But like CBS, he was blocking a merger from going through using his government authority to prevent a business deal from going through to force them into making the settlement

with him.

That's insane mafia.

But your question is he's a threat to democracy.

Actually America isn't a real democracy, it's a Republic.

Democratic Republic.

Right, so we put people in positions of leadership who will republic is a democratic system of government guys based on who we elect into the office so i don't see he's a threat to that i think he's trying to protect that he's allowing the people to have a voice because remember the role of government

he's trying to protect it by the democracy by undermining democratic principles

but i'm going to have a lot of what what democratic

principle is the undermining a of the main democratic principle is open like we're doing here free discourse and whenever you start bringing these punitive lawsuits and then hurt them with your government power to force them into settlement

okay that's what i have always done example of many different things when

he's saying he wants protesters who shouted at him in a restaurant to be having reco cases brought against them criminal cases for shouting right that's not a merit right that's not in the interest of a

democratic discourse and I think we agree on that yeah again I'm not promoting everything he does I'm just saying your point your claim was he's a

threat against a genuine democracy whenever he was illegally trying to stay in power like with the fraudulent slate of electors, that's trying to, it's fine for him to bring court cases like he did. But then after those failed, he stepped outside of our legal process and kept trying to prevent, like getting pints to reject the certification.

Insane.

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Please return to your seat.

Good job, Luke.

Thank you. Have a good one. Beep, beep, beep, beep.

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My name is Shiva.

Hi Shiva.

And it's Luke, right?

Yes.

Which I love that it's biblical.

Oh, thank you.

It's a beautiful name. Thank you.

Beautiful man.

Well, you're beautiful.

Oh, thank you.

My argument is that number one, we're a constitutional republic.

I mean, when we do...

Constitutional democratic republic.

Well, you do the Pledge of Allegiance. What does it say?

A republic?

And to the...

The republic? What does it say? And what is it?

Wait, wait, wait. What is a republic? It's a balanced of power. So, of the three branches. Who places people into power? Well, the people do, but we don't even, but again, it's just a representative form of democracy. But we have an electoral college vote. We don't even go by the popular vote.

Well, then he's a threat to our republic, but by the way, republic is a representative

form of democratic. Constitutional republic. You know, this is where, That is what that is.

You can Google it. this is over and what you're saying is incorrect because we live in a democratic system and that system is a representative of the public. Well, it's not even democratic when you've got all these liberal states that don't allow us to present an ID to vote. Kamala Harris won... Kamala! You have to know the pronunciation right now. I'll call her what I want to call her. Okay, um, she only won in states where there's no voter ID laws How is it a democracy? When you didn't even get to pick your presidential candidate, how is that a democracy? We did there were primaries

No, there wasn't and then oh they installed the parties The parties are an organization and then they can choose the candy i disagree i would love to make sure every single democratic primary is a very very democratic but i would love to focus that's all other interesting topic you said your point

do you have a defense of i guess you're saying you don't do not care because you don't think we live in a democracy that would be strange to me you know where

you're in a constitutional republic because it's not the 51% that tells a 49% all right go later and if the mob wants to kill this person innocent person they would die in a democracy

right we don't live in an absolute democracy but we have a representative republic governed by the Constitution which is a democratic system but what

not even equal branches of government either that's another whatever you feel

are you okay with what i've been bringing up before him ignoring due process and no he's not

okay i have four friends that were locked up let me finish so the four friends now one of them yeah i'm not going to let me just let me finish what i'm saying someone who violently assaulted a police officer someone wased. Someone was breaking the window of the Capitol and that was an Antifa member. You can even hear the crowd saying Antifa, Antifa. Did the fake media

show that? No. My friend was the one, Ed, reached up and pulled the guy out of the Capitol

and guess which one went to jail?

Let's say they're Antifa. Then why did Trump pardon the Antifa? No. They didn't pardon Antifa. They pardoned- Who are the people violently assaulting police officers then? No, no. Who are those people? One guy.

That got a taser and I was not okay with that.

What about beating people with flagpoles? What about stomping on some police officer's head?

Oh, I didn't never saw that.

Oh really? Dempsey, David Nicholas Dempsey.

I don't know about that. I saw four people that died that day and they were patriots. And no media said that that was true.

It is not in the interest of democracy for violence to be how we go about the reason I'm opposed to people trying to assassinate Trump, the guy who assassinated Trump.

I'm against violence too.

All of that is against our peaceful democratic process. So is giving a reward to people, honoring people in a sense, by pardoning them specifically.

Then we can move on to the other people. They didn't get due process. They were locked up. They didn't get due process. No, I'm not gonna go by the fake media that has lied to us over and over.

What about the video of someone boom, boom, boom onto a police officer's head?

And I don't know who that was. Why can't you just say it?

But it probably was an Antifa member because those people admitted that they were paid to do that. Wait, okay. I know, you know what? I ran a rally in Beverly Hills and I had a detective that was watching over me. He gave me a picture of Antifa saying that they're gonna look like us.

It's crazy that no evidence

had ever been brought forward of that.

And they said it was misinformation when I got it directly from the Beverly Hills Police Station.

Just focus.

No, no, you don't tell me what to do. See, people like you like to control people like me.

Oh my gosh.

You've been voted out by the majority.

Please return to your seat.

Nice meeting you.

How you doing? I'm Mark Brown.

Mark.

That's a nice voice.

Yeah, it's useful. Maybe it'll be useful today. Yeah. In this kind debate where we respect each other and everything, you know, I mean, yes Anyway, my point about you know, Trump being a threat to the democracy is that you know When when Trump lost the election

Even though he thought that there was voter fraud and had what he had considered evidence of voter fraud and tampering and all that He still left office. He left the office and when he left the office, his own his own actions demonstrate that he will not defy the election results. So he did willingly leave office. An insurrection is when you go to overthrow an elected official in office, such as a president,

like when they overthrow people in other countries you know to get rid of dictators you agree

right do you know what the fake elector scheme was yeah I know of it yeah so after he lost his court cases then he tried to get people who weren't the lawful elected electors to fraudulently claim themselves to be so that Mike Pence could pretend those were the real ones and then he could stay in power. It is true that he ultimately left office. People were talking about is Secret Service gonna have to rip him out?

Is the military going to have to? We can't say just because someone fails at something, it's not bad that they tried it.

Well, I mean I could say this like right now, he's a Democrat. He's a he's a legally Democratic elected president right now. And I promise you when his term is up, no matter what, and someone else wins, he's gonna willingly leave that office. Now people say that he started an insurrection, an insurrection is not what happened that day.

It was a protest against what everyone felt was voter fraud.

And then it got really violent.

And then the left throws this rhetoric out that he's an insurrectionist

and it's not even the definition of it. and then they got and then i left throws this letter account that he's an insurrectionist is not a guy i actually use that word here no one's answer the question he just recently said and i'm gonna bring it back up and i hope we do it by dinner kamala centers you would find it outrageous people were screaming at him in a dc restaurant and he was sitting in the oval office reflecting on it

and he said i've asked him bondi to bring reco cases against people like that people who are peacefully protesting, shouting in the vicinity of the president.

That's bad.

We disagree, right?

No, look, I agree. Look, I'm a guy that just did 23 years in a penitentiary. I just got out. I did 11 years in isolation. So I know what it's like to be on that side of the law. But what I'm saying is when people are at a restaurant, and this is the United States we're supposed to be civil we're supposed to be we're supposed to have a moral compass do you think it's right that

people are allowed we go you know do you think it's right that people can stand in a restaurant a public place and scream and yell yes that that really the

restaurant what disturbing the restaurant owner that's disturbing the restaurant by definition would have the right to remove them the Attorney General doesn't have the right to lock them up because they raised their voice near the meds. No, for sure, I'm gonna agree.

Trump, sometimes he will go off course.

We're out of time.

That was going well.

Yeah, it was cool.

Okay, that.

All right, nice to meet you.

My next claim is Trump supporters are not patriotic.

Oh, she's back.

Let's have a conversation. Okay. Let's not talk over, I'm willing to listen to you if you're willing to listen to me.

Deal?

Deal, maybe. Okay, so you say the Trump supporters are not patriotic. Yeah. You're 23 years old. Did you ever consider joining the military?

No, both my brothers do, but I agree. There are people who do very patriotic things, but the ideology itself, maybe better said, is not a patriotic ideology. How did you come to that conclusion? Well, it's actually what we've been talking about a lot, which is that I think undermining our democratic or our republic values, I think that attacking our democratic institutions, attacking free speech, none of that's patriotic.

I think covering up the Epstein files is not patriotic.

Okay, so let's go there. You brought up the Epstein files.

Who's Les Wexner?

Tell me.

Well, it seems that I've been looking into the Epstein files for about seven years, you were probably about 14 years old. Yet you guys don't know anything about the case.

I have no interest in connecting it to anybody. I'm saying- Only Trump. No, no, no. Trump's the president. And Trump is currently being asked by even people like margaret a the green to be transparent release everything uh... let's let's let's both say nothing's bad about that no i've been trying to get them released for seven years credit to you so that yes do you agree

to me it's not american patriotism for him to push back against that for so long

well i think the thing is is that you know that the democrats were going to try to turn this and make it about him. Wait, wait, release it and then they can't, right? You said you'd let me talk, so let's do this. The defense attorney in Virginia, Goufray, basically said that Donald Trump was the only one that helped with the case.

Okay. Suddenly you guys want to use it as a talking point.

No, no, no, you don't know anything else. now let me remind okay let's assume everything you're saying is absolutely correct yes why won't he release and then he has a lot of the right to the idea of on the judges blocked a lot of the non-alcoholic you know what the case yeah i do a grand i heard a present nothing is new in the grand i documents

you know can you agree that there is definitely people that were very powerful in institutions yet that did not want to be exposed that did very evil thing with children. Now the thing is, is a lot of this evidence, and I hate to say it, is destroyed.

I hate to say it. There were cameras and film and videos in every single one of these rooms.

We're on the same page.

Can we agree?

It's a little weird. No, it's not. A little sassy. No, it's not real sexy notes that he's calling out he's calling up to the white house is calling up republicans and saying this is a hostile act if you sign on to the discharge position but it was not a separate release everything out loud but then he's calling people saying it's

marjorie do you have you know i'm very green is lying about from i haven't seen

him say that i i i have not seen discharge papers, so I can't speak to that. Well, that's what's being debated right now. But what I can say that I will agree with you on, I don't like that he's calling it a hoax. I will agree with you on that. Now with President- Okay, pause.

You've been voted out by the majority.

I think we did better.

We did do better.

Yeah, I think we did better.

But look, let's talk. I can't believe I got to meet Harry Sisson.

Goddamn plushie.

He's a good buddy of mine.

You're much more likable than Harry Sisson.

Oh no, stop it.

You are, you're charming.

Oh stop.

I like your bandana.

Oh thank you, I had to wear it during the lockdown because Biden was so patriotic he shut down the country.

Who was president in 2020?

I believe Donald Trump was. I remember the stuff goes.

And he used Operation Warp Speed.

And let me point something out. I'm not gonna sit here and cite facts because I spend a lot of the day drinking. But what I'm going to say is that in 2020, Trump was president, correct?

And he rushed the vaccine to the market. Market, the vaccine, and then we'll get to Epstein.

And I know it was-

We don't have to go there. I just want to talk about-

I didn't have to go there either. What an island. But what I'm saying is, thanks for getting me. Thank you, thank you. You're doing great yourself.

In 2020, a lot of people get confused try and save the left from stealing the election and we won't get into that and he said here's the vaccines and because false he didn't rush it to the market election wasn't stolen okay oh okay in 2020 okay he rushed it to the market he said here's the vaccine what are you talking about he rushed okay okay we're getting to this right that was good rush the vaccine to the market yeah awesome did he mandate it no very good no he did not ish. He said, here's the vaccine because he's so patriotic. We're getting to that.

He said, you are free to get the vaccine or you're free to not get the vaccine. But let's open up the effing country.

I'm not going to say in front of this kid.

Woo!

Thank you. So once the country got open up, you said you get this vaccine or you lose your job. Okay. Now that didn't happen. That didn't happen. What didn't happen? Please tell me what did not happen.

It didn't happen.

What didn't happen?

Yeah, there were restrictions on the federal level. None of them were like vaccine or jail. None of them were job or jail. It was either testing. Did you just say none of them, I can't believe this. Hey, no, the ones you're talking about had exceptions where you could do testing at a certain frequency.

Testing? Or vaccination.

PCR testing? It's true. Who invented that? Don't ask him.

He's dead.

I wonder why. Are you out of your M.I.D. brain? Okay, now, I feel like I've let you go on completely unrelated to what I was saying, and you misstated even what a mandate was. I just explained it to you. There were two options, but you don't understand that's fine. Let's get back to the core of the matter I just said you could either with the job requirements you're talking about there would be testing options as well If people weren't getting the vaccines if individual employers, it's just true. It's just true

If individual employers did you want to do? Okay, all better get their jobs back and all right All right, those are federal government workers Yes back and all right all right for some of the federal government workers yes the federal government has a right to say you have to get certain vaccines the military's on that all the time with a bunch of vaccines for example okay and that's perfect about the nurses that are the same couple of hours let me okay great let me go on so that we don't do a whole vaccine debate because I know

you're a little off the rails on that but I want to do good I do wanna ask, you've heard a lot of the debates we've had, which has built my argument about the lack of patriotism in supporting Trump. And that is not accepting election results. That is going after media companies that is like, election results. Going after media companies that is like,

ignoring court orders.

And let me ask you something about January 6th, the insurrection. Let's say that I'm Donald Trump, okay? Let's say that you're Joe Biden, okay? And let's say that people think you stole the election. Let's say you did hypothetically, okay? Let's say you stole the election and we go to that January 6th thing, and I think it's stolen.

Don't I want that process to go through? Don't I want that to go through so we can validate the election? If it's stolen, who wants to stop it? Okay. The people that stole it. And then I'll add one more thing and I will yield my time to the floor.

Okay.

Okay? Then, if it's an insurrection, how come the only gun we saw was the guy that blew away Ashley Babbitt?

Okay. There were guns. Because we can bring guns. That's why I keep looking away. Go on. Okay. So a lot of that was just gibberish. I apologize, but there were guns actually in the crowd, but it's okay. You don't believe that. That's fine. And you keep throwing around insurrection, insurrection.

It's not true that the process going forward required people to storm the Capitol. The process was allowed in the process.

How did they get through the two ton return to doors?

You're not listening. What Trump was trying to do was to get Mike Pence to not certify the lawful election results. We're going to keep going through this. None of y'all can defend that because none of you would want to admit that a Democrat would have that power. Focus on that and see if you can defend it. Do you think if Kamala Harris, after they lost the election, would have the power to reject the lawful certification of the electors like Trump wanted Pence to do, which was why people said, dang, Mike, didn't he do that in 2016 as well? They're always, they didn't, they literally didn't. Joe Biden certified as vice president Trump's victory.

Right, right. Okay. Okay. Mike Pence was being pressured by Trump, which is why people stormed the Capitol. Trump was posting out. he had to do which was to reject the certification of the electors. He didn't get the chance to anyway because the FBI who may or may not have been there

because the FBI didn't confirm it.

Hey, you're not hearing me.

What?

Do you agree that Kamala Harris would not have had the power to reject the lawful certification of the election, that that's a ceremonial role whenever Trump won? Yes, you do. I'll agree with that wholeheartedly because it doesn't matter because no one does it. Trump tried to get Pence to do it. That's why people were screaming, hang Mike Pence.

Yes, and Mike Pence didn't do it because they interfered with the process and I think that was the FBI. I'll say it again. Mike Pence, even if he wanted to do it and he didn't, and that's why the second time in office where Trump is in the second time, cause he left peaceably the first time he knew who his enemies were. And that's why Pence is not back. And that's why they answer one more thing.

Fance was going to run with Charlie rest in peace, but they assassinated him, which was

terrible because the left is the party of violence and hatred.

We're talking about January 6th, but I get carried away.

You just justified, you just did what, What Trump wanted Pence to do. You said, I guess there was a fedsurrection to prevent Pence from rejecting.

I didn't say it definitely was.

I said it doesn't matter.

But Pence, it does matter. It doesn't matter. This is the epitome of a lack of patriotism is to not accept the free and fair election results.

That's my whole point.

It went through anyway. Yeah, but whether you're saying he wanted Pence to do it, which he never got the chance to, because the Fed's erection, I like that, I'm stealing that bit, oh that's gone in the attic.

I've talked to a lot of y'all, I know, oh it's nice.

The Fed's erection prevented it, so we can sit there and say, well Trump was definitely going to do it,

and yet here Trump is back, here Trump's back in office. Oh, that cost extra. Disgusting. Okay, pause. You've been voted out. He's back. He's back. And you never left. That's cool. I know. Um, so you agree. You agree with everything I said. Rejecting labor results, bad. Attacking free speech, bad. Not releasing embassy files, bad. Not patriotic.

Cool, good.

You enjoy framing the argument in terms

that you know you've practiced and you can win.

No, I've never practiced this.

I'm here to submit something else. Thomas Jefferson said the tree of liberty must from time to time be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.

That doesn't sound very peaceful. You just got onto me for interrupting you.

My point is what we've got going on here, this democratic experiment...

I don't want blood of anybody.

...is messy. And it's supposed to be. Because you got intelligent, strong-willed people who are capable of formulating their own opinions and sometimes that means that you talk over people sometimes that means that conservatives have to endure the slings and arrows of outrageous leftists because okay it's

messy and it's supposed to be. And sometimes a Democratic former speaker of the House of Minnesota gets murdered by a Trump supporter, right? Awful. Awful. Sometimes people violently attack police officers to try to prevent the peaceful trans power. Awful.

Awful.

January 6th, awful.

And sometimes people lay on their... Sometimes people lay on their bellies from two or three hundred yards away so they can get a shot at the president or Charlie Kirk.

Awful. Awful. Awful. Awful. And sometimes people get on YouTube and dance about it.

Awful. Awful.

See, I'm principled. I actually don't like violence, but y'all seem to justify violence a lot.

How?

I've just had like 12 conversations with people like, well, well maybe a assaulting police officer, well maybe it wasn't that person and maybe it was actually Antifa and maybe it was actually fed... I don't recall anybody over here putting their hands up on their heads and saying well maybe... I'm saying the words. They're justifying it by not just saying, just like murdering Melissa Hortman, just like murdering Charlie Kirk, just like trying to murder Donald Trump, acts of political violence to further a political goal is bad.

And I'm against it across the board. Many of you are not when you justify what happened on January 6th.

Forgive a sports analogy. Imagine a football field. Most of America's on the 50-yard line. Republicans on the right 40-yard line. Democrats on the left 40-yard line. Personally, over my life i'm sixty seven during my lifetime

i've gotten dragged back to maybe the thirty thirty five yard line leftists have run away with the democratic party had a really nice are

and i had a hand zone on your way i stay i had a really good snow cone the other

day

that was as relevant as what you just said it illustrates everything with it why you're justifying january six that i

don't know justifying january six call I am not justifying January 6th.

Okay, cool. Well then that's not patriotic.

Yes it is.

January 6th is it?

Because people on the right are closer to the middle. In order for people who are still in the middle to come over to me, they don't have to sacrifice their core values. You don't have to sacrifice anything if you come to my side. In order for people to go to the left is nothing that requires a total mind white who's going to submit to that

weight why i'm actually when they really held their minds are being white why

when people want to peacefully participate in policymaking that implement solutions for working-class americans invest in infrastructure invest in increasing wages expands our health care system

those are my principles because it's up to individual thought. It's a quaint custom. It's called independent thought.

You're not even, you're just saying random things.

What I'm saying is that people agree with you.

My mom's a really nice person.

I agree. I don't even know.

Why are we saying random stuff?

She's a good guy.

I'll tell you why. Pause. You've been voted out. Applause.

Beep. Beep. Beep. Beep.

Hello. Hello.

Okay. I disagree with your statement. And I don't want to talk about January 6th. I mean, we can go there if you want later. But this idea that Trump supporters are not patriotic and we can talk there if you want later. But this idea that Trump supporters are not patriotic, and we can talk about the ideology.

Trump's first term, he ran on closing the border, building the wall to protect our country. The tariffs that he's putting in now to protect our country, to protect workers, to protect why? Other countries are charging us tariffs. We're not charging them tariffs yeah he's putting in the policy that he we are charging now we are charging them

and a lot of the countries we're tariffing don't have trade barriers on us but ok keep going

they do have trade barriers on us but ok keep going free speech censorship you talk about the media him blasting the media insane when who was the first he was the first one to get suspended off of Twitter at the time.

That was a private company, different. The government explicitly threatening to remove the licenses of networks they don't like, to force them into broadcast changes, is explicit censorship.

I do not believe that to be true.

Whereas private companies going well he decided january six we're gonna ban him

of their you can just look for january very different to come off and now we know that it was that white house it was it was it that was wasn't telling by a twitter what to do

so you would realize

the cia was totally and i don't know media but it is true okay your well we don't need information or I'm your information is wrong I do disagree I disagree yeah well all right well let's country and where are you getting your news oh I know YouTube you're listening to system you're

listening to your echo chamber my only source of information Terry system that's true that's. That's the problem. Okay. That's it, we got the answer. But let's assume your premise, even though it is wrong, but we apparently have a big disagreement on that. Let's assume that Biden did things you didn't like when it comes to free speech.

Why would that justify Trump then trying to censor his critics?

Is he censoring his critics?

I just explained to you.

This is the FCC. They want to have a huge merger with ABC. It's the largest merger in the history of the country.

And they're making incumbent on that changes of who gets to be on their network.

And so you want to have a big one person that owns the entire network so that that person can tell everybody what to say?

Do you hear what you're justifying?

They are trying to make sure that it's not one person that owns every single piece of media because guess what happens when that happens?

Monopoly. Yes, exactly.

So he doesn't want a monopoly.

He's actually making a requirement, ABC making changes that Trump wants and then he's going to approve that merger. Are you sure it's what Trump wants? Brendan Carr explicitly said that he was open to raising that cap. Right. It's like a monopoly prevention. They were open to it.

And then he went, hmm, I'm really upset though now with ABC for what Kimmel said. And then, whoop.

Okay, so when Tucker gets fired, that's fine.

And then, wait, wait. When the re-do it. Yes, the government didn't force that. How do you know? Because he wasn't out there screaming it in public on Benny Johnson's show.

Okay, pause. You've been voted out by the majority.

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Hello.

Hi, I'm Rose.

What's your name again? Luke.

Luke.

What?

My name's Luke, everybody.

Hey.

Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. So, oh wait, well, yeah, let me start. Go for it. How do you define patriotism? I think it's loving what our Constitution stands for, loving what our democratic principles should stand for, being opposed to authoritarian regimes abroad, not trying to cozy up to them or apologizing for them like what Trump does with Putin. Okay, and that's it for patriotism, right?

Those are some key parts of it. Your ideology, okay. So my ideology is patriotism is about all of us coming together and stopping this constant discourse

everybody's getting angry over, just left and right. A part of America is the argument, that's beautiful. But there's no agreement. We should be working together. I think the thing, I was watching something and there is an organization that wants us divided.

They make a lot of money off of it. It's called PsyOx. So in order for the Americans to get back together, we have to stop all of this basic nonsense and noise.

So like let me give you an example. I don't take every word that Biden or Kamala says as truth. Whereas it seems like based on a lot of things y'all bring to this table, if Trump says, I brought 17 trillion dollars, or if Trump says the election was stolen, or if Trump says it's okay to pardon the January Sixers, y'all just take it. You just totally believe it. And that makes it hard for us to come to some understanding because we're not debating over facts, but just what you heard from Trump. And I don't think believing him

over the truth is very patriotic either. So let me give you this. I used to be on your side. Okay. I was- Come back. No, no thanks. I couldn't believe what I've seen under the Biden administration. I don't believe castrating children. I don't believe cutting off their breasts. Yeah, I don't believe in pronouns. I don't believe in that kind of cult ideology. Your turn. What is finished? OK, so what Trump is doing now, what Trump is doing now is trying to get us back to the America that we were proud of. Yeah. So I don't, not this ideology that has nowhere.

You were talking about the psyops, you know, what's a psyop is getting you this fixated on what is impacting an inchy weensy tiny population and which, what do you mean to name what by me by in you were talking about the trans issue and that's one is Biden what did Biden do on that subject I don't know what did he do he did right he did nothing have you ever heard Biden ever be like listen folks castrate your

children no no but Kamala did and Kamala didn't either she oh yes never did but I would like to point out to you you're right now supporting a guy who has literally just signed into the law the greatest, which I don't see this as patriotic either, redistribution of wealth from the bottom to the top. It's like reverse Robin Hood. And while it is, look it up after. While he's doing that, you can see see just since people are remembering you can look at the independent now sees that show you how much wealth is gained by the top and how much is lost by the bottom and while he's taking away our wealth our

well-being making us pay more in tariffs he promised to lower grocery prices on day one such an old-fashioned word groceries he would say and he did it they're going up energies going up all these things are happening but guess what he gets you to focus on and And how long has he been in office? 3.5- How long has he been in office? 3.5 trans people in East Main.

How long has he been in office?

That's the PSYOP.

How long has he been-

We're out of time.

Damn it.

My final claim is Kamala Harris would have been a much better president than Donald Trump.

Hi. Hello. What do you think? Are you- So what's your claim again?

Oh, it's Kamala Harris would have been a better president.

So-

She wouldn't have done that bill I keep talking about.

Hold on, hold on.

Yeah, there we go.

Yeah.

So- Wouldn't have done the crazy tariffs, making us pay more. She was a part of the Biden administration that saw a really strong economy recovering from the pandemic. She would have been just kind of a mainstream, not great to me, but middle of the road, and that's much better than Trump.

Okay, so we're going back to all of the stuff we talked about earlier.

Exactly.

So tariffs. She wouldn't have done the tariffs.

I agree with you in the sense that tariffs, yes, the importer pays. Yep. Yes, the importer pays. So that's no doubt, right? But you have to ask yourself, why is it that before Trump came along, that virtually every single country in literally the world, right, for decades on end, have had tariffs on the

United States?

So there is, that's not true necessarily. Number one, I already gave the example of Brazil. We have a trade surplus with, so that doesn't make much sense to be tariffing them whenever we actually, they buy more than we buy from them. But the problem is we have the largest economy. We are the wealthiest nation. And so there's a lot of other economies that are still very manufacturing based.

And so it's beneficial for us to get cheaper stuff from them. And we have more buying power. So yeah, we're going to have a trade surplus with them. But doesn't mean anyone's being ripped off and just the characteristics of different economies require them to protect certain industries, we protect certain industries. But pretending like we're going to isolate from the world, which is what slapping tariffs on everyone in every industry does, is economically illiterate because we have built our economic

might off of global trade. If you look at the skyrocketing of USGDP, it's been tied to us having global trade in

the way that we have. So now that we're saying, okay, there are certain industries that we need to protect, we're absolutely in favor of tariffs for those, right? Biden kept some of the tariffs that Trump put in. Likewise, we're falling behind on certain other industries where we produce a lot of goods, right? So why would it not make sense for us to put tariffs on it?

He's not doing targeted tariffs. He's doing them broad strokes in a draconian and economically incomprehensible way.

The thing is, the gist of it is, I don't think any of us really understand, especially with the threat of tariffs, right?

Just simply the threat of tariffs have stopped wars.

We've seen that.

Right?

We've seen that. We've seen that. We've seen that. We've seen that. Well, I mean, we had the whole 70,000 months, you know, support Trump getting the Nobel Peace Prize. Why?

Because he stopped the war between, he stopped the conflict and deaths between Thailand and

Cambodia. Okay, so I don't know, I think we're going a little bit, yeah, swerving off, but my point is, if they were coherent, like he argues they are, then we wouldn't be seeing the negative economic repercussions that we're seeing. It's your opinion. It's not. Hello. How are you? What's your name? Michael. Michael. First thing I'd like to say is that I am honored to be in Surrounded's company. Charlie Kirk sat

in that chair not too long ago and I wish his wife and children nothing but the best. I hope you would agree with that. Totally agree. Thank you. Make your claim. Kamala? Oh yeah, Kamala Ayers would have been a much better president. Okay. Because she would have had a pretty mainstream middle of the road economist. Hundreds of economists came out before the election and endorsed the fact that her economic approach would have boosted GDP, boosted jobs, whereas Trump's as we're seeing would shrink jobs, a lot of shrinkage

going on by Trump. Is that like what he's been doing over the last four years? Is that what you mean?

Like the economy's been doing so great? Like investing in infrastructure, investing in energy projects. Crime? What about what about all the crime? Crime dropped historically under Biden. Really? Yeah. Did you drive up here this morning?

Crime.

Did you drive up here this morning? Really? This a blue state?

Crime stats, right? You might bring up provo... It was fine. It was great.

It was fine? Do you see the graffiti? Do you see the trash?

Do you see the people sleeping? That we should at least look at stats. No I don't know. No, depending on who you get your stats from. Right, if it's Trump giving it good, if it's the Biden administration. No, not even not even close and I really being here I really want to understand what your mindset is and what you're thinking about. You dismissed the trans ideology. You dismiss that very quickly. You said it's such a small percentage. Hey, hey, hey, we're not doing that. We're not doing that. You've got a crime.

You've got a crime. We can get to that next. We'll get to credit. I've got to say this. Do you realize the indoctrination of the schools that's going on and the percentage of children that are being exposed to this crap? For the state of crime in America. And what we saw was that homicide rates dropped at this historic clip under the Biden administration.

What historic clip?

According to who? It got down to nearly 50 years lows. Independent crime analyst.

Who is the independent crime?

The FBI crime stats. What about me walking down the street. The FBI crime stats about me walking down the FBI crime. All right. So you reject data if it does. Well, it depends. You're not independent. What independent crime analysis and the FBI crime stats, which is the same stats that Trump is citing whenever he's making. Yeah. You know, I'll give you that. Okay. I'll give you that. So you're saying over the last four years? Because there was a pandemic or a spike that happened under Trump and then it carried over.

Which excuses what?

Wait, when Trump was president there was a historic increase in homicide rates last year of his presidency.

Okay.

But I'm saying I want to be good faith to you and say, hey, there was an impact of the pandemic on that. So I'm giving him some credit by saying that wasn't all because of him, there was the pandemic. Okay. I'm not agreeing with you. I'm giving you your stats. I don't agree with them, but I'm giving them to you. Pause. You've been voted out by the majority.

I like that shirt. Luke. Hey. Thank you. What's your name? David. David. Yeah. Luke is probably the oldest baby boomer here. Nice. I want to apologize for what we've left you. Okay. Because being here from California, uh, you know, being in the military during the Vietnam war and coming back and, uh, we really saw, uh,

free speech being used to call us baby killers and napalm droppers. And so many veterans came home ended up committing suicide or still committing suicide and yet California is one of the freest states in the country and you know I'm 77 so when you're 33 I'll be what 87 and so I'm really excited

Because the knowledge that you have the charisma that you have the wit

when you start aligning that with personal experiences and that you'll be able to see not the differences, but

Unfortunately the similarities with all parties. I mean here we are in California a single- party rule state. There's a reason that Kamala Harris

That was a new one. Yeah, that's she Milo Wow that she dropped out of the race

when she first ran for president because the Democrats in California did not want her and so all of the

The racial slurs against me as being a Hispanic have come from individuals calling me a coconut, brown on the outside, white on the inside, a bandito, a sellout, because I'm a Republican. And so raising my kids here, and my daughter who was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis at 22, and has been in the Medicare system

since then had her hips replaced twice, her knees replaced twice. She's sitting at home with no knee right now. And when she voted for Barack Obama for president, she was proud to do it. When he was elected, she lost her doctor.

And so I hear a lot of talk about healthcare. My focus is on treatment. I was helping a young man who was dying of age. He was diagnosed with AIDS when he was 60 days clean. And I was taking him to APLA, to all the neighborhood community clinics. And this is the reason I got involved in politics, is because the neighborhood clinic that the AIDS patients were going to, they closed it because they had lack of funding. The county

did that. That same week, the county gave $3 million to Disney for the concert hall downtown. Now, it's a great building, but there's many reasons that people get involved regardless of party in politics. And so that's why I'm saying I'm really excited about you because you're going to start matching some of your personal experiences with the information that you're receiving. And you're going to start matching some of your personal experiences with the information that you're receiving and that's going to benefit all of us. A single party

rule state like California is not working. We need to have some balance. Okay, pause.

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Hey man.

Hey. I'm James.

James, nice to meet you.

What was the claim again?

Yeah, so Kamala Harris would have been a better president.

That's obvious.

Yeah, of course.

Given all the, yeah, given all the damage that Trump's's doing making the DOJ no longer independent in his prosecutorial decisions He's seeking it He just just had this exchange with a prosecutor because they didn't want to prosecute one of Trump's political enemies boom He gets rid of them. He's raising prices. He's attacking our democratic institutions going after media outlet He lied. He said he was gonna lower price Sunday one day one. The opposite's happening. And Kamala Harris would have at worst continued the Biden era. And in the Biden era, while there were plenty of problems and like, you know, the whole we be Medicare was, you know,

what's 100 percent, right? Yeah. But there were a bunch of wins. There was an Axios piece written in twenty twenty four saying the U.S. is winning the world economic war, now it's flipped and we're alienating our allies, we're being weakened. We're having a lot of countries because we're being so hostile to them, cutting off trade with us, or not buying as much from us, that's hurting US companies. We're seeing a loss in jobs,

we're seeing unemployment go up. So all those things, I think, given the Biden-Harris record would not be happening, which would make it better.

Right. that I have though is that you just listed off a list of things, you know, what do I start?

How do we, how do I, how do I figure out where I, where I differ from you in these opinions?

Yeah. Do you agree that crime went down a lot during Biden's era?

I'm not really sure. I live in Northern California,

close enough to Oakland to make it, to make me concerned.

Yeah. Yeah. So, so it's always, And then another, I mean a fun little trivia, just since a lot of people have said things about California, California has a bunch of obviously big problems. But it's fascinating that people ignore like the top, out of the top 10 highest homicide rates, states, eight out of 10 of them are red states, so like deep red states, way worse than California.

But people act like- But redding California, or Sacramento, California

is not nearly as dangerous.

Well I was gonna gonna say people act like there's this really bad crime problem because of Democratic governance, but on the national level, you saw Biden invested a historic rate in law enforcement and in violence reduction.

There's gotta be a lot of reasons.

You saw blue states are actually safer on average than red states.

Right, right, but there's gotta be a lot of reasons for that. But hey, guys, I'm going to run up my way. Hey, this is the way I do things. So please allow me to paint my picture. I'm sorry about that, sir.

Oh, good. Go ahead.

I want to treat you like my favorite older brother. Older? But dude, you're so young. I've got a 14 year old son and son and a 16-year-old daughter. Come on over to the house and play Cards Against Humanity

because we're a family of comedians.

Nice.

Okay, pause.

Sounds dirty.

You can load it out, I'm sorry.

All right.

Hey, thank you.

Take care, buddy. It's... Beep, beep, beep, beep. Hey.

Hey. Hi, we meet again. Hello. What are you thinking? Well, the question regarding would Kamala Harris have made a better president?

Yeah.

I'd like to open up with just one question for you. Do you believe that when a federal prosecutor withholds exculpatory evidence that she should be barred from ever holding public office or the bench in a courtroom?

I'm not familiar with that reference, but that has nothing to do with how she would perform.

I guess she's heard it a couple of years.

Oh no, it absolutely does because she did that.

And so I'd love to compare the record between what Kamala Harris did and would do, did in Biden's term, and then what Trump is doing now. Because that's the claim, right?

Well, let me explain it because you admitted that you don't know what this is. Okay, exculpatory evidence is when a prosecution team and their investigators, yes, when they find actual evidence that that man they're trying to convict

is innocent and they withhold it. And if you have a specific anecdote, I'm uninterested. I'm uninterested. You're uninterested that she did this? In a specific anecdote that I'm not familiar with but what I would like to talk about is the policy record. So that we can have an informed conversation. We have to operate on things that we both feel are relevant to the

discourse and so I'm asking you compare some of the stuff you've heard whether it's crime, economic approaches, infrastructure. This is what deems her

unfit to hold office and i don't know she

literally we're not debating her fitness for office were debating would she perform better as president ron absolutely not when she's doing things like we want to talk about fitness for office we can go through all the reasons i think rumsfeld it but i'm not about you

as a common here to make a better president i'm talking about the record instead and i am talking about the record and then while she was attorney general in the state of california she created a constitutional crisis when she flat out defied a supreme court order for two years so we're against that? that was supposed to release five thousand non-violent inmates hold on it doesn't matter what's about five thousand inmates from cruel and unusual conditions she defied the largest and most powerful court system

in our whole country. So we're against then, defying the courts.

She did that.

Are we against defying the courts?

Absolutely.

Trump has done it dozens of times.

Trump fights the courts because they're trying to convict him and they have fake prosecutions popping up everywhere.

Don't have a double standard. While he's been president. What did he do? For example, what did he do? Andrew Hernandez Romero, he rotted away in an El Salvadoran prison. He had a lawful asylum claim. He had gone to the border checkpoint. He wasn't breaking the law and he got. He was here illegally. No, he wasn't. He broke the law when he was. I don't even know this case. You're thinking

of the wrong person. You're thinking of the wrong person to talk about rego carcina no i just told you his name and recently but never heard of okay see just so you

said you've never heard what the mullet great so

trump defied court orders in the porting this batch of prisoners and one of them andrew i'm telling you about romero ended up getting sexually abused in this prison was completely wrongfully sent was innocent he was an illegal you know sexually abused in this prison was completely wrongfully sent, was innocent.

Oh, he wasn't an illegal alien?

No. Oh.

He went legally to the border checkpoint.

When you're trying to deport 20 million people, sometimes a few things happen. And so you're going to get some people sexually abused because you defied- When you're trying to get 20 million illegal aliens that your president let in, shit happens.

That would not little instance. Okay, pause.

One little instance.

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Please return to your seat.

Whoa!

Hey there, sir. All right, we got a new one.

Got a new one, yeah. So the claim is about Kamala Harris.

Kamala Harris would have been a better president. Would have been a better president would have been a president laid out by his infrastructure law things like that were good created jobs his inflation reduction act was good created jobs lower prescription drug costs

mary mary mary i'd like to take you one higher and pick up the mic from uh... charlie kirk and say now if you were what she had not made a good president she was a total d i candidate

uh... how do you

mean that?

Well, let's go back.

No, no, no, how do you mean that?

A DEI candidate?

Do you think that-

A DEI candidate is somebody who was not picked for a role because of their meritocracy. They're picked only for random characteristics, their skin color, their sexual orientation.

So you're saying that because she's a black woman, that's why she was picked? Exactly. 100% she was picked to be vice president because she was a black woman. So tell me, tell me. She wasn't even the best black woman to be picked. Tell me, why is it not enough qualifications to be a DA than an attorney general, than a senator, than a vice president? Why was she more qualified than Stacey Abramss if you're gonna make such a great name right let's actually get it she has more qualifications

than most people who have ever run for president it doesn't mean i thought she was a great candidate than bernie sanders stop there stop there please budaj edge he's been a mayor and the transportation secretary kamala harris has been a d a an attorney general a senator and a vice president

so she was a senator and a vice president because she was a DEI candidate. She was Peter's principal. She was just put to the right.

I mean, you're just throwing that out there. Hey, Kamala, you're you, you got a good news for you. You've got a corner office and you're just Kamala. Good news. You're now on the campaign poster. that with absolutely no evidence. What happened in 2020? Biden beat Trump. No, no, no. In February of 2020, South Carolina primary, right? Biden gets a bunch of support. No, it was a test of the black vote. Yeah, cool. Right? Who won the black vote? Joe Biden. Yes, I know. Suddenly everybody dropped

out. Why are we going through a history lesson? I know this already. They all supported him, That's right, and I knew that day that he won. I said, he said, I said. That's amazing.

In fact, you know what, I made a little meme and put it on Twitter. I said, by 2020 Biden and some black lady. And sure enough, the only, the only people that were talked about as candidates for his vice president role were Stacey Abrams and Kamala Harris.

And then we picked the best option and he hurt our economy and he attacked our democratic

institutions.

No, no, no, we're not talking about Biden. We're not talking about Trump.

I'm saying Trump.

We're talking about Kamala. No, would be a better president than Trump is the claim. So we have to compare them. And you know what? I think a stuffed animal would be a better president than Trump. Trump was actually a guy who went one by one in his party.

When he first launched his campaign in 2015,

This literally has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.

It is exactly what it is.

It's not.

Yes, it is.

Because it all comes down to whether she had the merit to even be a vice president. All you looking at her resume and saying, yeah, she was this, she worked here, she went, yeah. And then you're going like, well that's why she was going to be a great president, because she had all these little things behind her.

Okay, you're wired up. Let me just quickly say, I never said she'd be a great president. I have a bunch of-

You said she'd be a better president than Trump. You're right.

Wait, wait, wait. Just wait. Alright. differences and i probably got all the critiques for her but my point is any slightly competent middle-of-the-road anyone it could be a kid and they would be a better president just listening to their advisors then trump would well

let me say one thing earlier on you said that mega mega people are not patriots the idea of a that's not yet right now let me give you a definition of patriotism they'll just settle this is a little debate You can't no no. No. I yeah, I'm bringing this in. Do you think Trump should have passed that bill? No, no, no No, let me finish my point

Trump is a better president because he's a better patriot because a patriot is willing to die for his or her country and Trump got tested in that very fact. There was an attempted assassination.

I know, that was bad.

And he got up. And Charlie Kirk was killed. Do you think Kamala Harris, in your heart of hearts, is willing to die for her country, or she's just willing to do whatever favors she can do to rise up the food chain?

You tell me. In your heart of hearts, would you be in a foxhole with Donald Trump or in a foxhole with Kamala Harris?

Oh, anyone but Trump.

You'd be in a foxhole?

Are you kidding me?

Anybody but Trump?

Yes.

You're going to rely on Kamala Harris to fight a fight with you? He had an option to go into the foxholes and he lied multiple times did not get drafted i don't think he was the bravest warrior was a pretty epic whenever he got shot instead of the day that it was it was it was it was that's what that is very different to being a good president as we're seeing now the economy is getting worse beat the social and how are you saying where economy is very democratic institution

we've lost job for the first time since its first presidency. Do you know that a curve that goes up kind of goes up and down and up and down before it goes up?

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Back to you.

Thanks, John.

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Hello.

Hi.

Pleasure to meet you. I'm James.

Hey, James.

All right, what's the claim?

Kamala Harris would be a better president than Donald Trump. Please try to stay to the topic. All right. I'll give you 12 million plus reasons.

Okay.

She was supposed to have been the borders are right.

What is that?

What is she actually wasn't technically that, but I get, she was trying to work on the root

causes. What was she supposed to do as the borders are? Don't you think she should have gone to the border?

Yeah. And actually it was pretty interesting there was a big mess up i agree i said what do you mean i said i have critiques of the by ministrations aboard policy on some fronts but if you notice there was a huge drop as last week year of the presidency because the last year because she was trying to get a lot of the harris had a

much more rigid approach to the do you know how many people i think i was running on order everyday and by four years but to to equal twelve million wearing work over seven thousand right people in

there

well actually have the wrong sense and i don't get it so it was a recounting border encounters the number of people who actually okay what i can't let's

cut it into a million to let's cut it into

always that's bullshit now you're counting border encounters but guess what they kept turning people around and deporting them to well who did who did the by ministration people around and deporting them. Well, who did? Who did the Biden administration? What do you mean? You mean you mean the Border Patrol, right? Yeah. Under the border patrol was told to do what? By who? They were turning a lot of people around.

Who was told to do that? Hoarding people who told the Border Patrol to turn these people around and then they keep coming back and get just Biden.

I mean, it's a whole government policy. Where did 12 million plus people come from? They didn't. So there aren't 12 million illegal people in the country? Oh, they're not from the Biden administration. There are like from decades, but.

Okay, during the Biden administration, how many people?

I told you, estimates range from one to three.

That's ridiculous.

What did you come up with?

If you do the math between how many people came, how many people were deported, how many people never came but were just encountered. That's the SCPT.

That is totally false. Where do you get, I don't know where you get your numbers from. If you ask the border patrol, if you ask, do you know who Tom Holman is?

Oh yeah.

Do you?

Well, yeah, but he disagrees with you, disagrees.

I'm sure he does. Entirely. been there since 1984 since Reagan has been there. So how? And he said that your statistics are bullshit. I'm sure. And I think, you know, so no, they're not. But I think you do. The crossings dropped. Kamala Harris had a much more aggressive. That's why she was supportive of that really strong border. They all they got shot down by Republicans. She would have carried that over. Why? Why? Why? Why didn't they do? OK. And she wouldn't be violating Trump's orders and illegally deporting people. Trump closed the closet. And instead will keep this whole legal process.

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All right, get ready to vote.

Thank you.

Hi. Hello, I'm Damaris. Nice to meet you. Two Bible names. Okay, so where would you like to start? Economy?

Crime? Okay, so where would you like to start? Economy, crime? I, a lot of y'all don't want to talk about Trump's record, which is interesting because my argument is, I think there would have been all sorts of problems. Yeah, I think there would have been all sorts of problems with Kamala Harris's presidency.

I'm critical of any powerful person, but any standard politician would have been better than Trump who's doing a retribution presidency. He's prioritizing gutting the FBI of anyone who ever worked on a case that he didn't like over having the proper expertise in the FBI. Obviously, as I've explained a lot, his landmark agenda is a horrific reverse Robin Hood.

So all those reasons, just someone who wouldn't do those things would be better.

Stable datum. I will agree that all of those are talking points that we hear all the time in the media and To hear you regurgitating them today without any foundational facts is really interesting because Trump is The what the work at the FBI let's take that. Yeah, you mentioned that Trump supporters were not patriotic I did but in in the United States, there is rule of law.

So would you agree with me that if an FBI agent subverted the rule of law in order to go after Trump supporters after, I mean, they came for grandmas on January 6th. Grandmas, little old ladies who walked in the door once, arrested grandmothers

they went to mar a lot of go in stage the documents to make sure that trump

okay that you know i don't know why only no no i don't know there is a talk of all that i can get it not only documents where his he obstructed the process of getting them back a cake so deep that's wrong with when you look where i think it is excuse me are you aware that the only reason why they knew what documents they were looking for was because those documents

were actually already on file in the, in the library of Congress. So they knew exactly

what, so Trump, they were holding onto, they were not his papers. Yes. But I mean, this doesn't really have to do with how good of a president he is going to come out of it but i think at the fbi so i'm taking it on now i'm giving you examples that when you start prioritizing retribution over common sense pro working-class policies i think that's bad for america where were no one is common-sense none of you in class yeah i like the inflation reduction act i think was really good i think the infrastructure bill was really nine percent was good we brought down after

that bill inflation faster than all of our G7 counterparts. You know what you're again. You see that's a that's a data no no driven point and you're not aware of it. You were again. So some of y'all should do some introspection that you don't know a lot of basic economic data points that should inform your understanding of the economy. Luke you what you're doing is

regurgitating things you are not stating. Regurgitation is not the same

as interesting. You're projecting a lot what you're doing. I am not getting anything like people get upset when I give like crime stats or inflation stats or I give you numbers on how much is being cut for Medicaid over the next decade. That's numbers. That's not that's not a patient. I mean, I haven't stated any numbers. You just one trillion dollars over the next decade is being cut for Medicaid because of Trump's One Big Beautiful Bill Act. That's a data point.

$1 trillion of fraud. $1 trillion of fraud.

Why are rural hospitals closing down?

Why did, okay, okay.

Why are they shutting down because of this bill? They're citing this bill specifically.

Did you hear about the group out of Russia?

The international group that was caught with fraudulent Medicare claims. You just accused me of regurgitating things I don't understand. Then you don't seem aware of the data points that prove rural hospitals are shutting down because of this bill. Which rural hospitals? That's not good. In Georgia and elsewhere.

No, no, no, no, no.

Don't tell me which ones. You think I have memorized the exact name of every hospital that's shutting down? That's crazy. I don't think it's happening. That's crazy. Here's the thing, sir. Look it up afterwards. Look up. Rural hospitals closed.

Trump's big beautiful bill. The senators who voted. You don't have to defend that. I'm not defending it. You're stating it. I'm not agreeing with it.

There's a difference. your seat. Rosalind. I chose Rosalind because I thought we had a fun time talking last time.

My claim is that the reason the left lost the election is because they don't understand the American people.

Okay, I mean, to an extent, I don't like that the Democratic Party doesn't seem tapped in enough to the needs of the American people. And so I would agree with that in a sense. I just don't understand how contrasted against the Trump administration you think that he understands the American people's needs. He understands how to campaign to them like him saying grocery prices go down on day one

or I'm going to be good for the working class. And then he does the exact opposite. The NLRB he's been attacking. He's attacking the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, the very institutions that protect the little guy. Not to mention I got to keep bringing it up, but this horrific bill that he passed that's his whole agenda

is just a pro-elite bill. And so I see him as someone who understands how to campaign to the American people. Maybe the Democrats struggle at campaigning to the American people, and they have some issues with why that is. But Trump then turns around and screws them over and betrays them.

How often do you go grocery shopping?

Weekly.

Seriously? Yeah, weekly. Okay.

You live in California? No, Austin, Texas.

Okay. So I live in Chicago. We saw a huge reduction in egg prices, just for an example, because everybody was yelling about eggs because they had gotten exorbitant under Joseph Biden. So egg prices have been halved. Oil prices have come down. So what I'm paying at the pump is so much less. I am paying right now about a dollar seventy five

a gallon less than I was during Joe Biden. So grocery prices in general have gone up. They've gone up, notably. We had one of the sharpest increases in the last period of time. What period of time? Last month. I think it was last month.

So we're seeing sharp increases in grocery prices. That's just true in general. Maybe you can have specific anecdotes whether or not but that is true nationwide And while you're right that gas prices have gone down for a bunch of macroeconomic reasons and supply and demand

It's not trying it's because you're G

We opened up a spigot. Here's why energy prices in general have gone up Significantly since his presidency started it's true. So you actually gone down i mean we're in a time of fact taking process they can buy a lot of demand it's true that's what i'm trying to open up supply so trump byden was overseeing uh... highest oil production in american history you know you can massage numbers you can miss asteriors all you know it's really all going to look at these things

up afterwards i'll really get massage and i want to say this is a little bit

of an american history behind and then you know you you made a good point about supply and demand trump because he's obsessed with like windmills are crazy we hate windmills and he's actually been attacking renewable energy which is one of the contributing factors to energy prices going up if you look at all the energy wholesale energy which is true

but i'm after so renewable energy depends upon guess what guess what the sun and it depends upon or clear all renewable energy depends upon guess what guess what the sun it depends upon or clear all renewable energy depends upon oil yes it's a very true but here's what we have to understand and that's this prices have gone down in the oil because anytime you say i'm going to open up what Biden has turned off, and every time

Congress, every time he attempts to do something that is related to a promise he made to the American people, they jump and try to sue him. This man has been sued more than any other president for just trying to make the American

experience better.

So do you notice that is patriotism. Okay, do you know what's so interesting here is that a lot of y'all have been convinced that it's me who's been propagandized or I'm going off of regurgitated talking points but that whole that whole speech there was Trump is fighting for the American people. There's no substance there and I'm giving you substance. The actual data on energy prices.

You're right that specifically gas has gone down. But otherwise, I'm sorry, could you say that again? Electricity bill specifically, what do you say? But gas has gone up in general. And it's true that it couldn't have been because Biden turned off the spigot because oil production was at record highs in the united states domestic oil production under by the people are down there on the work energy independent

under jobine actually what did you just a little down day one you're gonna have to go check this we were yet we were getting close to having a one the and then what's the pipeline and then he's not a high that was wildly all and more consequential you wouldn't you brought a data so what's interesting is i'm saying I don't really care about, oh I'm going to do this

rally, Kamala Harris would be the best president. That's dumb. Instead I'm just going to give you clear data points. But then you all go, ah, and get upset and then just give me a regurgitated thing like on what we just referenced, which is scary, that you've been convinced about a lie about that. And that right now he's causing your household energy bills

to go up and you don't care. Because you want to play into the culture war of we got to take down the windmills or whatever.

Here's what's very important. It's not just about President Trump. It's about this country.

It's about the things that we do that are so important that are going to aid every single person sitting here.

Like taking away their health care? Okay, let's talk about that whole health care thing. Why would anyone here support that bill?

People who are illegally on the health care dole, and you take them out, you're going to be better off.

If you actually talk to, if you actually talk to the experts health care providers and Independent analyses of how many people you could find that are on Medicaid illegally or don't actually qualify It doesn't come close to the number of people that would be necessary to find 1 trillion dollars in the budget Which is what they're doing. So they're convincing you it's undocumented immigrants, it's a lazy trans person, but it's actually gonna be low-income Americans who fully qualify but because of all the hurdles they're putting in place and all the cuts that they're making they're gonna lose their

health care while the largest tax bill for wealthy people ever. Why is your side against us saving money? You know in your own household, if you don't save money, you will not be able to pay your

biggest bill, which is where you live.

Let's think about this. I hope all of you really hear this, because this is not a partisan point. Trump got really cozy, I know you've all seen this, with the billionaires at his inauguration. It was Bezos, it was Zuckerberg, it was whoever, Elon, and then he ends up putting into his it's not cost-saving it's fiscal irresponsibility

to cut cut cut taxes for the wealthiest americans to pay for an attack on the working class that's what it is and it balloons the debt do we all agree we should get our debt crisis under control? we have to. then why

does it add four to five trillion dollars to the debt? Here's the biggest problem. Answer that.

Why does nobody answer my questions? You know what? We are. But unfortunately, you have your own agenda.

But we're trying to answer you.

So then you tell me how much does it increase the debt?

So let me tell you something. How much does it increase the debt then? of the world. No, I'm not doing another. No, he's not. I can't hear another like general rally. But you want to know something? He is not the savior of the world. But I know he is far better than anything you could come up with on that site. They don't know money. The majority of them have never run a business.

I would rather be with a president that has a business who knows how to make a dollar, who knows what it's like to have to pay bills.

Do you see? I wish everyone would notice this. I just want to talk about the numbers. If you have an alternative analysis, wait, wait, wait. If you have an alternative analysis of how much will be added to the debt because of Trump's one big beautiful bill, then you can present that, but you don't. So I give you a number based on independent analyses and you respond with trump's not our savior but he's gonna make us better doesn't mean

anything

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analysis present the candidate or is that big beautiful present them there are analysis of it that say the exact opposite guess what caroline levin dot com we won't know until it happens your side says all i do you know it's going to be horrible why do you think i

said you know where it's not what do you think poor rural hospitals in red areas are saying we have to shut down now

i'll tell you that this is a lot because we have this wonderful other bill called obama care that drove health care through the world it shut down the hospitals it made doctors go out of

how do you like that used to be that a doctor was the best most cared for a lot of the way we couldn't even stay in business dot the way i really are selling the canada

everyone listen the world you're saying the rural hospitals are lying and saying that trumps bill and the cutting of federal funds is why they have to shut down

but that's because of obama talking to all of the old i'm hospitals they're all around the country i have you came here every single with a report from all of the rural hospitals i don't think i did see it no there's no way you know why because there's not that consensus yet

there because here's the problem is that we need time you say we're going to give away free health care, somebody, there's no such word as free. Somebody has to pay it.

Wait, wait. Again, this will be my last point. It's so weird to say we don't have the money to pay for XYZ when we're adding to the debt with this bill. So we're going into debt to pay for these tax cuts. We're going to get more than any single bill in american history that's how much is added to the debt so it's not about fiscal responsibility it's about helping out his billionaire buddies were on the inauguration stage with them and

gutting of working-class benefits you don't need to find a trillion dollars in savings when we have several trillion that are being introduced into our economy by other countries. And we discussed that before. So you don't have to. Not only that, one more point. Yeah. Trump negotiated, like I said, I'm not in love with the man but I'm gonna tell you something, he did good stuff. He negotiated seven peace deals between 14 countries. Would Kamala have done that?

Kamala would not have. Can you name them?

I can actually name them. As soon as we're done, I'll show them to you on my phone, the whole list. That way I get a picture with you for my grandkids.

We'll get a photo.

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They were spunky. It was, I mean, to be honest, infuriating, a lot of the conversations, because it's so difficult when you're coming from such different planets.

Now I'm in a box and you're in a box and they're in a box, but you don't have this genuine energy that you feel when you're exchanging ideas with someone. And you don't disagree by saying no and begging them to listen. So many things have been misunderstood

because you don't have all the facts. The moment information becomes unpolitical and it's just information, I think it's gonna be good for the left, the right, and everybody in between.

The heartening part is, as I think we picked up a little bit on camera, there was still a good common recognition of our shared humanity.

Could you name a former Democrat president you'd want to be in a foxhole with?

Any of the greatest generation ones. JFK, Jimmy Carter. JFK, Jimmy Carter. I think Jimmy Carter would have my back.