1 Journalist vs 20 Trump Supporters (ft Glenn Greenwald) | Surrounded

We're in a major war, aren't we?In Iran?

I mean, sure, we're in a conflict, but I don't think - This is where you actually got along with the last guy.

A war?Is it a war?Have you ever thought about going and fighting in this war that you're cheering on?

Uh, I mean, I've thought about joining the military before.I don't know about this war specifically.

When your adversary races to arms and increases their offensive capabilities, it's going to create a security dilemma.That's a madman mentality.

Iran lost any civilians?Uh, yeah.I'm sure.That's how a war works.That's how a war works?Like on the first day we - vaporized 170 young Iranian schoolgirls by bombing an elementary school.

Is the Trump administration actually America first or has MAGA morphed into something Trump supporters no longer recognize?I'm John Regalado and from Jubilee Media, this is Surrounded.Today we're diving into Trump's foreign policy record, the conflict with Iran, the United States' relationship with Israel, and much more.I'm here in the center with our featured guest, independent journalist, Glenn Greenwald.Welcome to the show.

Thank you for having me.Great to be here.

Are you ready to jump into these debates?I am ready.Debaters, are you ready?Let's get into it.

Hi, I'm Glenn Greenwald.I'm an author and independent journalist, and today I am surrounded by 20 Trump supporters.My first surrounded claim is President Trump is more of a war -making president than a peace -making president.

If you would like to debate this claim, please get to the chair in 3, 2, 1.

the firstlike global trade to ensue?Was the Houthis not attacking multiple different ships?

No, the Houthis were only attacking Israel at the time that President Trump did that.There was a peace deal that President Trump engineered that ended up being very temporary.And the Houthis said, for as long as this peace deal is in place, we won't attack ships.Once the Israelis started violating it, not letting food, they said, we're only going to attack Israeli ships.So here's a question.Here's a question for you, Glenn.

Are we still in conflict in Yemen?

No, President Trump ended his own war that he started.

in Yemen from being attacked by the Houthis?It's free, is it not?

It's like saying I stabbed myself in the stomach, but then I brought myself to the ER where I had a doctor fix me up.And that proves that I'm really interested in fitness and self -care.President Trump started the war in Yemen.He escalated the war in Yemen.It was stopped at the time that he took over.Were the Houthis attacking people or not?

They were attacking a foreign country called Israel that is not part of the United States.

Do these international trade routes not affect America?

No, not when it's only Israel whose ships are being attacked.You can say the war is just.The question is, is President Trump making war or making peace?You can say, okay, he made war in Yemen, but I think the war is just.He's still a war -making president.By definition, there was no war when he got in.

I think it's very clear by the result of the conflict that it was a peacemaking military engagement.We have peace in Yemen now.How did it end?How did it end?How did it end?

It ended by the HouthisWe have peace in Yemen now.that he inherited a presidency where we were not at war with Iran.We are now at war with Iran.We've twice gone to war with Iran under President Trump.That's another word that he's made.

Do you not agree that Iran is a major threat and destabilizes the Middle East all the time.

I don't, but we'll get to whether the war is just.The question now is, does President Trump make more wars?

Well, I think, so I want to go back to what you initially agreed to, though, is that part of what makes a peacemaking president isn't just, oh, we don't start any conflicts.It's actually engaging in conflicts to prevent further conflicts.

So war is peace.Have you, did you read 1984 by George Orwell?No, I'm just, I'm literally, I'm literally quoting what you said earlier.

earlier at the beginning of this conversation.is stepping in and preventing further conflicts.

Yes, but you can't prevent conflicts by starting conflicts.What do you mean?Starting conflicts is starting conflicts.Can you not use wars that you start?

Can you not start?We got a pause here.Michael, we got a pause here.You've been voted out by the majority.Please return.Thank you.

So in reference to Trump being a peacemaking president or a warmongering president, let's say, for example, let's start with the conflicts that he did indeed stop, right?For example, Pakistan -India.Pakistan nominated Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize.They said that he specifically played a big role in preventing that conflict.What did India say?Well, India disagreed, but Pakistan regardless said that he played a key role in preventing it.

We had Thailand versus Cambodia also break out.Cambodia nominated Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize and also said that he prevented that conflict.I'd also say, in reference to Venezuela, obviously no one thinks that Maduro was good there.The tyranny was crazy.The way that he was leading the government, everyone agrees.But he was able to take Maduro out, and Desi Rodriguez, who's now the vice president, is very, you could say, subordinate, or servile, right?

50 million barrels of oil, restricting Cuba, so on and so forth.And so I would disagree that he's a warmongering president.

to cite, India was vehement that he had no role to play of any meaningful kind in mediating that conflict between India and Pakistan.That is a war that goes back, that conflict goes back many hundreds of years long before Trump.But even, let me ask you this question about these other conflicts that you've named.

Were those part of the 2024 campaign?

Did anyone ever mention that?You know why?Because they're completely trivial.And because the role that the United States plays in them is also essentially trivial as well.analyze those, but let's be clear.The real question is, does President Trump make war for the United States, whether he plays an ancillary role in this?

Well, we're in a major war now, right?We're in a major war, aren't we?

In Iran?I mean, sure, we're in a conflict, but I don't think, this is where you actually got it wrong with the last guy.Is it a war?Is it a war?You can call, it's a war and a conflict.There's no necessary, like, there was no disagreement there.

It's a conflict.Is it a war?Is it a war?were killed in Beirut.They were there as a peacekeeping force actually.And guess who specifically, I believe in 2002, a federal judge actually ruled that Iran supplied Hezbollah and gave them intelligence to kill 242 Americans.

On top of that, I believe in Venezuela, they have the coup force as well that is there.They fund three main terror groups.According to the FDD, they spent about $16 billion doing so, right?Hezbollah, the Houthis in Yemen.And by the way, the last guy, you were also wrong.$200 billion worth of economic damage in reference to the Red Sea where one -tenth of the trade goes through.

Were we at war with Iran when President Trump was inaugurated?No, we weren't directly in terms of...

Are we at war now?Right, so I would say...So he made that war, right?Hold on, hold on, hold on, stop.I would say that we're already in a conflict.I would say that yes, generally, not like war in terms of declaring war conspicuously, but yes, we've been in a conflict, a long -standing conflict specifically.

The proposition is President Trump is more of a war -making president than a...Right, I don't think any of those conflicts were made by Trump.

That's where you're wrong.

India and Pakistan were in conflict prior to the war that you mentioned, right?

And we were in conflict with Iran prior to this.

Exactly.There are a lot of people who are, there are a lot of, there are a lot of countries that are in conflict with one another.They're not all at war.Most of them are not at war.The United States became in a war with Iran when Israel and the United States announced that they were attacking Iran and started a war with Iran.Of course there's conflicts.

There's conflicts between Brazil and Argentina.There's conflicts between Peru and Uruguay.You're being vague.No, I'm being very specific.I'm talking about a war.

There's a difference between smaller conflicts or like a general conflict that's going on for a long time and like a large -scale war.and even like, for example, small military engagements.Like, for example, Midnight Hammer, we bombed Natanz, Fordow, and Isfahan were more smaller engagements, right?

And by the way, we pulled that pretty quickly and everything was fine afterwards.If Russia came to the United States and bombed three different nuclear facilities in the United States with B -52 bombers of the Russian Soviet analog, would you say, would you consider that to be an act of war?

Yeah, you're saying it would be casus belli, right?

No, I'm not talking about that.

that's conflict and an act of war with Iran for a very long time.And it's funny that you're not mentioning the fact that 242 Americans were killed in Beirut in 1982.

Was that not an act of war?had overthrown their democratically elected government in 1953 and imposed a savage, brutal tyranny on them that ruled that country from 1953 until the revolution in 1979.But these are all historically interesting points that we could talk about with the justification.No, it's not wrong.The point is, I asked you earlier, was the United States at war with Iran?The answer was yes.

But you said no.It depends on how you're defining war.It depends on how you're defining war in long -term conflict.The point is we were not at war, as you said the first time when I asked you, with on when President...took office, he didn't talk about there being a war throughout.No, he talked about 2011, 2013.

And we are now in a war because he made a war.He continued to say Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon.

By the way, can you explain to me the reason for 60 % enriched uranium?No country that has tried to, or even been in talks of trying to have a nuclear weapon, has ever reached 60 % and not gotten to 90%, which is weapons -grade.Because President Trump invalidated the agreement where they were only at 3%.

President Trump make this war.No.The answer is no.

We have been in a general conflict with Iran, or you could say even a war, for over 47 years.

And President Trump just forgot to mention that we were at war when he was running for president in 2024 and never said, hey, by the way, we're at war with Iran.

He's been very conspicuous about this.He's been very clear about the fact that we have a conflict with Iran.We have issues with Iran.A war.We do have conflict.Again, I don't think you understand it.

Wars can also be conflicts.

Exactly, but conflicts aren't necessarily wars.The question is, was there a war with Iran?And if so, why did President Trump bother to mention, hey, by the way, we're at war with Iran in 2024.

He's been very conspicuous about it.So the war didn't start.What would be the incentive?Just like, hey, we're at war with Iran.Look, everyone understands that we've been at a long -term conflict with Iran.Nobody understood because it was never true.

It was a war.

And by the way, we got to pause here.Can we just hear your response and then we got to stop?Yeah.

There were several wars that President Trump started in Yemen, Venezuela, and Iran, you can say they're just or not, but these wars did not exist.Nobody said they existed during the 2024 campaign, including President Trump.And when he announced them, he announced them as with the United States in 2024.All right, good to talk to you.

Hello, how are you?Good to meet you.

Nice to meet you, too.So I want to get back to the prompt about peace versus war.So the way I look at it is the first Trump administration was a peaceful administration.There was no new wars that were started.Trump should have won a Nobel Peace Prize for because it was historic.And then we had something that was ahistoric, right?

So the Biden administration came in between and kind of disrupted Trump's foreign policy.And under the Biden administration, we saw the disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan, which was really a green light to our anti -Western adversaries that we didn't really have the strong will to defend U .S.hegemony abroad, following that, the invasion of Ukraine by Russia.And then we saw Biden trying to reengage in JCPOA negotiations as a legacy of the Obama administration.And he unfroze $16 billion in assets to the regime and then also waived sanctions so they could sell over $100 billion.

Whose assets were those?They're theirs, but they're frozen.

Iran's assets.

Correct.But that's going against the maximum pressure campaign.So if you don't want war, how do you then deter a belligerent actor if it's not maximum sanctions?What would your solution be then?

In general, in every other country on the planet except the United States and Israel, war is talked about as a last resort, something that you engage in only if there's a country that's attacking you or attacking your homeland or attacking What's that?

We could maybe use regime.They empower the Iranian regime diplomatically, financially, which then positioned them for October 7th and also the Houthis.It is true.The Houthis blocked off the Suez Canal for four to five months.We also had British military naval ships in the region, U .S.

military ships.So they weren't just attacking Israel, although, yes, that was a part of it.So we saw a destabilized Middle East because of the direct.

OK, it's interesting because I think there's a very American perspective because we are a country that is constantly at war, unlike everybody else on the planet.The last time China fought a war was as aof the and here we are back in another one.But I think the point about Iran is that the idea that we can just go and steal country's money.

because gas prices are so high.It's still lower than it was under the Biden administration, at the peak of the Biden administration.

Because of this war, President Trump lifted sanctions on Iranian oil.They are now charging money for the Strait of Hormuz and there's no way there will be an end to this war that we're currently negotiating unless the sanctions are lifted on Iran.

They're completely wiped out.Let me just get back to what I was saying about the Biden administration because it's important.So we look at how diplomacy has never worked, the JCPOA completely empowered the regime, same thing with Biden again.So Trump came into a region that was completely changed, also just globally, right?I believe the Iranian regime bought 2 .5 million acres in Venezuela, which is in our Western hemisphere.So he came into a world where our anti -Western adversaries had gained strategic holdings that hinder US hegemony abroad.

So he went into the region and he said, okay, I'm gonna negotiate with the Iranian regime.They didn't come as good faith actors to the negotiation table.Operation Manette Hammer was a preemptive strike.They still continue to come to the table.Iran?I would say, yeah, well, it's hard to be at war with a regime that you're funding.

So Biden was not at war with Iran?

Well, we were at war with Iran via Israel, if you want to get it as a proxy situation.

So Biden was fighting a war against Iran?

And also another thing, you keep saying that Trump started wars in Yemen, in Lebanon.Again, but those are proxy wars funded by Iran.Those conflicts existed way before President Trump came into office.

Was Biden waging a war against Iran?

He was funding the regime and empowering them.So the answer is no.It's really hard to wage war against a regime that you're propping up.

So the war in Iran was started by President Trump in the second term, correct?

The war in Iran is hap...First off, it's not a war.It's an operation.We have highly discriminately taken out heads of the IRGC.What would a war be?

How is it not a war?

Well, it's not a war because the Iranian regime can't respond in a way that necessitates war.

We're blowing up their bridges.Yes, it's an operation.And they've been blowing up the Middle East.What's the difference between a war and a...No, I'm just trying...Again, the proposition we're supposed to be discussing, and I realize why you don't want to and others don't want to, is..

.No, I am.

I'm demonstrating how the regime was empowered when Trump came to office, so it necessitated a response that was different than his first administration, when there was peace through strength.Yes, if Iran is considered the Houthis, the Hezbollah, Hamas, then yes, we were waging a war.President Biden was waging a war on Iran.Yes, via our proxies.

I thought you said he was so favorable to Iran that he was treating Iran so well.

I said he empowered the regime.Yeah, both sides of the conflict, but he empowered the regime.

Were we at war, not with Iran's proxies, but with Iran itself under Joe Biden?

Well, Iran actually broke the status quo of not engaging with Israel, our greatest ally, in May of 2012.

Did Joe Biden wage a war on Iran?

It's not, first off, again, I am contesting - Why can't you just answer?Why can't you just answer?I just said yes, if you're gonna consider via proxies, which he apparently - No, I'm not, I don't mean via proxy, I mean directly with Iran.Well, you said, okay, but this is, you're contradicting yourself, because you said -started wars in Yemen - I'm only asking a question.And you defined it by the proxies in Yemen.

I'm only asking a question.So you can't define war one way for Trump.

I'm only asking a question.We got a pause there, we're out of time.Please return to your seat.Raise your flag if you would concede that Trump started this current war with Iran.Okay, so we got two people.Thank you.

My next Iran to claim is President Trump is subservient to the Israel lobby.

If you'd like to debate this claim, please get to the chair in 3, 2, 1.

posture ethos.

Okay, so that's already a problem because subservient doesn't mean not sometimes taking the case, sometimes not.Subservient is literally defined as in a subordinate manner you are controlled by, in a very direct way.

You want to set it up so that if you can point to one example where President Trump didn't do what Israel wanted, then that means somehow he's not subservient to Israel.You just want to creating a binary framework where as long as you can point to one example...I can point to many examples actually.Right, so that's why I'm saying that is not what this proposition means.It doesn't mean that in each and every case, President Trump is fully and absolutely obedient to Israel.If you want me to concede that there are instances, I will be happy to point to some as well, where President Trump or other presidents.

That's not the question.I understand.

I'm saying that your claim, it's your claim.I didn't force you to make the claim.Your claim is not there's high influence.Your claim is not any of that.Your claim is he's subservient.And if you're going to say he's subservient, that means something.

Now, if we want to change what you're saying, and you just want to say he has higher influence from when you say.pro -Israeli, do you just mean Jews?What do you mean by that?

No, of course, I don't mean Jews.There are huge numbers of Jews who oppose Israel.

I'm asking.Well, generally, when I when I debate this topic, a lot of people will say, like, you know, the Adelson's, right, because they're Jewish, they're Israeli.Or do you mean pro -Israel, like you're talking about A -PAC, you're talking about J -Street?

People talk about George Soros, but nobody suggested he's pro -Israel.The reason people talk about the Adelson's is because they gave 300 billion dollars, 300 million dollars to Trump's campaigns.And Trump himself said that every time the Adelson's came to the White House, they didn't ask about the United States.They asked for things for Israel.Trump went to the Knesset last year and said, Miriam Adelson loves Israel more than they love the United States.Is Trump subservient to Elon Musk?

No, I don't think Trump is.Elon Musk, at least in this last election cycle, gave significantly more than the Adelson.He's one individual.Exactly.One individual gave more than two and also the lobbying groups.But that being said, what is it that makes you think he's controlled in at least a significant way by Trump?

whatever you're saying.exactly which quote you're talking about.You're adding that in to push your narrative right now.No, I'm not adding anything.But that being said, we're not here to talk about just the Adelsons.We're here to talk about the pro -Israel lobby.

I'm asking you, how do you know that they are controlling Trump at least in a significant enough way to whatever your claim is?

What I'm saying is that President Trump makes decisions in the interest of the Israeli people and the Israeli government over and above the American people, and it's the only country for which that's true.That is subservience.Okay.can go back to the semantic opposition, but that is what I mean.And there's so many instances where President Trump has taken steps, and right now, his entire focus is on a country that is Israel's primary adversary, that Israel has wanted for decades, the United States to go in and change the regime.

I understand the hyperbole.

His entire focus is not on that, but I get it.

But my question for you is you are not - I would hope it is.It's a very dangerous war, he should be.Your argument, you trying to prove your argument's failing, because what you're saying is that he is just giving everything they want as if...

I didn't say that.

Actually, you literally said that.

You said he gave everything they want.I said at the start, if you want to prove that there are times when Trump doesn't give everything to Israel, I would concede that.

It's not a binary, absolute framework.

I'm trying to get my question out.

Do you remember when I said that?I do remember when you said that, and I remember when you contradicted yourself a few seconds later.What did I say when I contradicted myself?I already said this point, but here's the problem.When he said that people go in, we want this, and he's like, I don't really agree with that.It's like, well, we'll give you some more money.

It's like, okay, I agree with it now.How do you know Trump doesn't just already align with the same ideology?

The reason I know is because President Trump spent a full decade , we give infinitely more money to Israel, we deploy our military forces to protect Israel, President Netanyahu, Prime Minister Netanyahu came seven times, and then when he was done coming, Donald Trump turns around and does exactly what he's been promising for a decade that he wouldn't do, which is he goes to war in the Middle East,

that's He doesn't want to go straight to military action with Iran, but he has made it multiple very very clear that if Negotiations are exhausted.I will use the military option.For regime change?Okay, first off, do you know what the four goals of the war are in Iran?

I'm asking, do you know what the four goals of the war are?What are they?Is it regime change?They change so many times.No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no one of the four goals that President Trump said was his most important objective when going to war with Iran?

military for 12 years, that's not actually particularly true.

Who was your commander in chief, the Secretary of Defense?

No, it's not.It was the President, right?No, no, no.First off, that's not how objectives are attained.You're right.He agrees with them or disagrees with them.

And again, I agree.Trump will go on interviews and he will say stuff that...

No, who sets war goals for the United States?

Well, first off, it's actually a complex measure of how it goes out.Are you asking who agrees with the finalized goals?

When a war started, who determines what the goals of the war are?Again, it's a very complex measure.It's the President, correct?

Again, if you're saying agree with, he gets briefs, he gets people from the Pentagon.

Who's the final decision -maker about the goals of the war?

That's the right question, and that would be the Commander -in -Chief.

The President, right?Right, and so if you look at the official memo...We want to know what wars are.If you look at the official...We look at what the President says, correct?

I got it.If you look at the official memo that was signed by him, that was pushed out and still on the government website to this very day, you can read the main objectives of the war.

Has he said that regime change is one of the goals of the war?

I agree that he's implied it in interviews.Has he said it explicitly?in the official memos where he's approved.Let me ask you something.

You need to answer my question.Has Donald Trump said that a goal of the war in Iran is to free the Iranian people by changing the regime of that country, a regime change war in the Middle East of the kind he said he wouldn't fight.Did Donald Trump say that was a goal of the war or not?I'm going to answer you.

Please, please.I'm going to answer you.One word answer or we got to move on.Real quick answer, one word.He said in interviews, yes.Thank you.

Thank you.

Prior to October 7th, America First, it still means America First is having a strong ally in Israel.I find it very interesting, this disproportionate selective outrage with this pseudo -Israel influence, AIPAC, 3 .8 million, compared to the billions of dollars from other foreign adversaries.If you're talking about subservient, we have the Chamber of Congress, we have Big Pharma, we have the Real Estate Association, all massively giving more funds to the lobbying world.The influence of Qatar alone, $1 billion on universities and media.Aren't you more concerned about that?Why do you never speak about the Qatari influence in America?

There's no comparing.the influence a Yes, 80 % of it is invested right back into America.

America jobs, American defense.And guess who tests out all of our military equipment?It's Israel, because they are in the front lines of our enemies.They are doing us a favor.We need Israel strategically, and we are grateful to have them as a strong ally.

The American people have turned against Israel because they're sick of having their resources...

No, it's because of propaganda that you're perpetuating on X. We didn't have an issue of this before October 7th.

If you look at American communities, they're falling apart.This was what President Trump...

And this is Israel Abiy's fault?

It's not entirely the Israel Abiy's fault, but we ought to be focused...

So should we talk about Doge?The $215 billion in Doge?Maybe we should look at that?

The Israeli people have a higher standard of living than tens of millions of people in the United States, and yet they are forced...What does that have to do with America?Americans are forced to subsidize the Israeli military to saytens of billions of dollars to Israel, to go to war for Israel.So now it's tens of billions of dollars?Yeah, I just told you in 2024 alone it was above $20 billion.

They were in a war.Exactly.Every time Israel is at war.Israel is always at war.What do you mean every time?Israel has never asked for boots on the ground.

And yes, they were in a war.No, we pay for their wars.We pay for their wars.

We pay for those wars.

Because it's to our interest that there is stability in the Middle East because these are proxies to us.America as well.The wars that Israel starts creates instability, not stability.First Saturday then Sunday.Do not... normalize terrorism and the Islamic caliphate.Why are you so hyper -focused on our allies?

It's the same way that we started off the first question where people say, no, Trump doesn't make wars.And then, okay, Trump makes them, but they're justified.The point here is we do more for the Israeli lobby than any other country.You started off by saying, no, it's hotter.And now you're saying, yes, we do more for Israel, but it's justified.Of course, they're an ally and they're an enemy.

They spy on us.They steal our nuclear secrets.

Just like America does.You're selective on Israel.

Everyone spies on everyone.Not the way that Israel spies on the United States.When I did the Snowden reporting, there are documents that say here are the countries that are the greatest surveillance threat.China, Russia, Iran.Number one on that is Israel because they treat us like an enemy.They take our money.

They do not treat us like an enemy.They sponge off our citizenry.You're feeding it to Al Jazeera.They suck money out of our country.

Again, you never want to talk about our actual enemies.You only want to talk about Israel.

I think Israel does more damage to the United States than almost any other country on the planet.

Please return to your seats.Thank you.Good job.

So here's the thing, I actually do agree with you that Israel does have an outsized influence on our government in general.I think that it's a policy thing that we have to start putting domestic policy ahead of foreign policy.What I don't agree with is your characterization of it as subservient.I think that implies a greater allegiance to a foreign country than what a president actually has.So let me understand.Tell me some of your reasons why you think it goes beyond influence.

Sure.So for decades in the United States, both parties when they had the White House, the policy of the United States has been that the worst thing that the United States has to overcome in the Middle East, when doing deals in the Middle East, when trying to advance our interests in the Middle East, is the fact that the Palestinians do not have a state.And the only way that the United States can ever improve its position in the Middle East is through a two -state solution.That's why, going back to the first Bush administration, back to the Reagan administration, they were threatening Israel, they were indignant with the Israelis, that they were expanding settlements in the West Bank, that would prevent a two -state solution harsh accusatory framework came down on James Baker and George Bush and Brent Scowcroft as anti -Semite American presidents, with some exceptions, have been petrified of opposing Israel and the Israel lobby.They can remove members of Congress like no other lobby can.They've proven that repeatedly.

And so it's not just that they're our ally and we help them when it's in our interest.We help them even when it's contrary to our interests, as we're doing right now with this war.

Well, yeah, you just kind of danced around it.You didn't actually say what characterizes Trump's behavior as subservient.Let me say one thing.I actually do relate a lot to what you're saying being called an anti -Semite.I'm running for Congress in Hollywood, Glendale, Burbank, and Pasadena, and the thing that I got labeled for criticizing Israel, the Israeli lobby, and the government of Israel, to be fair, I got immediately labeled an anti -Semite by my own party, by the Republican Party.have a greater allegiance to Israel than America?

You haven't answered that.

By subservient, I mean when you take interests that are in the interest of another country over your own.And subservient, are you saying why is he subservient?

No, I'm trying to understand your logic because what you've described so far is influence, which we all agree there's a foreign influence in our government that's outsized.And it very often drives our politics and our politicians to go beyond the interests of Americans.But that doesn't mean that they have a greater allegiance to a foreign government than they do to their own people.

I'm not saying President Trump greater allegiance to Israel than he does to the United States.I'm saying that the lobby that influences him, that he's afraid of, that he takes direction from, their goal is to make sure that American politicians are serving the interest of Israel, even above the interest of the United States, even when it undermines or subverts the interest of the United States.That is the point of the Israel lobby, is to make sure that Israeli interests stay above.You're talking about the Israel lobby?

All right, we've got to pause there.You've been voted out.Good luck in your campaign.Thank you.

Hello.

Nice to meet you.Nice to meet you as well.I'm Eden.OK, so when you're talking about the Israel lobby, are you referring mostly to AIPAC?

No, I mean, I'm certainly referring to AIPAC.There's a gigantic number of other organs and arms of the Israeli lobby.

Right.And can you give examples where they're going outside of legal bounds?

No, my accusation is not that AIPAC acts illegally.I do think there's a good argument that they ought to be registered under FARA, but under our laws, they're not required to.

Okay, so with the FARA argument, you do know that it's American Jewish interests, right?The lobby AIPAC is for American Jewish interests.AIPAC takes direction from the Israeli government.

They're over there all the time.I understand the argument that these are Americans, but a lot of Americans have to register under FARA if they're taking directions from or acting on behalf of a foreign government, which I think AIPAC is.but I'm not arguing that AIPAC is criminal.That's a different debate.We can have that, but that's not the relevant question.

I hear this argument a lot.And what I always go back to is America is voting with their dollar.Okay.So yeah, there is influence, right?

that's why I'm glad you raise that because actually what a pack does when they want to remove member from Congress Insane amounts of money for a congressional district like they're doing with Thomas Massie now They don't go in and advertise and say this member of Congress isn't sufficiently Supportive of Israel or is to anti -israel because they know that's a failing issue because Americans don't care about foreign countries They care about their own country like every other country what they do is they go in and they deceive people by saying our ads are really about the fact that he doesn't tend to potholes or he has bad constituent services or he doesn't support health care or he's It's exactly the opposite of what you said.shadows, hide their agenda, which is to keep American politicians subservient and captive to the interests of a foreign country.

You always have to revert to the conspiracy idea.It's not a conspiracy, it's done right out in the open.You always have to go back to the conspiracy idea because you can't deal with the fact that American Jews are voting for this.American Jews are putting their money where they want it to go.

Yes, and you're free to do that.

make an argument that we can reform the lobby system.That's fair.Americans are voting with their dollar, and this is the way that they're voting.

The difference between the pharma lobby and the Wall Street lobby and the Silicon Valley lobby, which are gigantic, is that they're at least American companies.There's no other lobby that represents a foreign country that has even one one -hundredth of the impact that the Israel lobby has, and that's what makes it so different and so dangerous.Representing an ally.

An ally.Jewish Americans have a vested interest in Israel, okay?They're also our ally.Why?What do you mean?

Why do they have that?

Well, a lot of them.Some don't.You, right?So some do, some don't.If some do, they can vote with their dollar.They're already our allies.

So what's wrong with that?

So you're saying a lot of Jews have a vested interest in a foreign country?

Yes.

President Trump said about Miriam Adelson, for example, who's a citizen of Israel and the United States, that he believes she has a greater loyalty to Israel.She would choose Israel when the two are in conflict.Would that be your choice as well?

And that's a problem.I've heard other people say they have different they care more about other countries they're born in as well.Right, but it's kind of a problem that the single richest and most powerful Israeli -American is somebody who's in the White House all the time.

According to President Trump, has more loyalty to a foreign country than she does to the United States.

That's a pretty gigantic problem.So what?

Kick her out.President Trump has her in the White House every other week because of the vast amount of money that she...

Okay, well she's not doing anything illegal, so what's the problem?You have a problem with the motivation.Okay, so we can't just police everybody's motivations.

There are a lot of things that aren't illegal.that still should be criticized and dragged out into the sunlight.

Let's criticize it.But the whole that I am is this whole APAC is this nefarious grand puppet master thing is absolutely debunkable.OK.APAC sometimes does not win.I mean we saw with in 2015 the JCPOA the situation.I agree.

I agree.

They don't always get their way.They get their way almost all the time most of the time.

And that is again America's voting with their dollars.

So like we've got to pause there.

My next surrounding claim is the Trump administration has been considerably more corrupt than the Biden administration.

All right, if you'd like to debate this claim, please get to the chair in three, two, one.

Hello.

Hello there.There's so many things.I could talk for hours on end.Even giving Kamala Harris an appointation of, I don't know if that's a word, but appointing her as the next candidate because he wasn't able to run.You're America first, right?That's what you're saying, right?

Do you agree that it was corrupt?

So I'm somebody who believes that there was a lot of corruption in the Biden administration.My claim is not that the Biden administration was free of meaningful corruption.It had a lot of corruption.My claim is that the Trump administration has a lot more corruption.And we can talk about what those financial deals are.Please.

OK, well, I'll just give you one example.OK.Jared Kushner, who's now running Middle East foreign policy and negotiating Middle East policy for Donald Trump, his son -in -law.And doing a great job.Right before he was put into that position, just a year or so earlier, he created a hedge fund, and the number one investor were the Saudis, who invested $2 billion in Jared Kushner's fund, both as a reward for a job well done, for the service that the Trump administration in the first term gave to the Saudis, and also for making sure that the Saudis' interests are protected.It's basically a bribe directly to the Trump family.

The Trump family created a crypto company called World Liberty Financial, 49 % of which is now owned by the United States.

the world It's affecting America.

I worked a lot on the Hunter Biden corruption case, principally that he got $50 ,000 a month from a company in Ukraine called Burisma when Vice President Biden had immense influence in Ukraine.It was way more than that.And as Andy McCarthy said, who's a longtime Republican conservative prosecutor, in order to talk about or compare that corruption, similar corruption by the Trump sons and by Jared Kushner, you have to add two zeros to the amounts.And I think that's what the concern is.

We've got to move on.Thank you.

You've been voted out.

, you know, erase that completely.But I think that we can see corruption in its finest when you have a senile old man like Joe Biden who is getting propped up and is basically a puppet for the Democratic Party.

So I think when we talk about corruption, we're not talking generally about just bad acts or malfeasance in government.We're generally talking about the influence of ill -gotten gains or malicious motives or self -interested motives in government decisions.What made Hunter Biden, the Hunter Biden case, corrupt was not his drug addiction or his tax evasion.Those were personal bad acts on his part.dozens of people, all of whom are very wealthy, who stole money from investors, who have friends that are very close to the Trump administration.There's a whole pardon industry surrounding the Trump White House, where if you have enough money and you can pay a million dollars or a million and a half dollars or two million dollars to close Trump associates, you will get a pardon.

But the problem with the Hunter Biden case, what made that so concerning was that he was monetizing the influence that Joe Biden had in Ukraine in order to get all kinds of money for himself.This is what Donald Trump Jr. is doing.and that's what we're going to do.billions of dollars have flowed to the Trump family through properties and entities that they've created, including World Liberty Financial, including Jared Kushner's.Does that not concern you the way it did with Hunter Biden?I'm not talking about billions of dollars.

Right.

Well, I mean, the HOC did report that the Biden family received 24 to 27 million dollars.I'm talking about billions.So basically, you're just basically saying that Trump was better at being No, I'm saying it's great, it's more damaging corruption.So you're criticizing Trump for being more of a businessman, a better businessman than Joe Biden.

It's like saying, oh, that guy stole a Milky Way and that guy defrauded billions of dollars from old ladies, so this guy's better than this one at being a crook, at being a corrupt criminal.Yes, I do think Trump's better at that.

Yeah, I mean, corruption is similar as far as how it's monetized.

We've got a pause there.Flags are up.You've been voted out.Thanks.

Good leave.How you doing?Good, how are you?Doing well.So you're saying that Trump is more corrupt than Joe Biden.That's what you're saying?

I'm saying that Trump is more corrupt.

that's Trump is not corrupted at all.We're not in a war as well.Sorry, there's so many, I wanted to answer you on so many things, but you're not being specific about how it's Trump, his administration corrupted.What exactly?Because his kids aren't the administration.It's just Donald Trump.

So how is - Well, Hunter Biden wasn't the Biden administration, but it was just the president - I don't care about Joe Biden.

I want to go on.You're saying Trump Okay, Trump administration, how is he more corrupt?

It's a comparison between the Biden administration but I'll tell you what the most corrupt thing that Trump has done.that's that's right

Are you aware that he's given up all his, everything he owns?is, uh, motels, motels, everything.

Trump's an infinitely richer man now than he was when he saw the presidency in 2016.Are you jealous of that?

Or like, cause he's president?Is that jealousy or something?Are you jealous of that?That he knows what to do with his money and he knows how to do it?

Were you, did you, were you a critic of Joe Biden?

Were you a critic of Joe Biden?He is not corrupt.He's not even close to corrupt.And you know what, you wanna know what you're doing right now?You're saying that, I saw you corrected yourself.You said, you were saying Trump to the other people, but now you, you, you're talking to me and you said Trump administration.

So.

No, the, the formulation is that Trump administration has been significantly more corrupt than the Biden administration.and that's all Trump's fault Trump's company, he created the company with Steve Whitkoff, with Steve Whitkoff's kids.Is that Trump's fault, yes or no?

Yes, of course it's Trump's fault.

How?He was the one who created the company.

How is it Trump's fault?

Because Trump is the one who received all that money and now is in bed with the UAE.It's exactly the kind of quid pro quo that - So are you saying it was gotta pause there?You gotta pause there?

You're saying he should be arrested?No, no, I don't think, I think there should be a - So how is that corruption?We gotta pause there, you've been voted out.

Hey, good to see you again.Good to see you again, how are you?

Good.As I've been listening and I've been writing down, all the in COVID fraud during the Biden administration.You have Hunter Biden.I know you agree with that.Don't need to go into that too much.You have millions of illegal immigrants entering in the country and changing the voter base.

You have free college.He tried to do that unconstitutionally.You have Burisma.He went after Trump illegally through different court cases.And you'll love this one.You know who is the greatest senator who have taken the most amount of money from AIPAC?

Joe Biden.4 .2 million dollars.

Trump has gotten more from the pro -Israel lobby, but Joe Biden has spent his entire career in captivity to Israel.

Everything that Trump has done outweighs all those other things.

and I'm not saying you agree with them but you've heard me What I want to get to is your actual claim.No, I know, but we're building a comparison.So I heard you put in the Biden column.So why don't you go ahead and list all the multiple things, right?

Because you know the reason that you know the corruption there, right?OK, so then now go ahead and list all the other things that Biden has done.

I just got done saying to you that while you were sitting behind me for the last 15 minutes, I've listed six or seven different ways in which Trump, his sons, and Jared Kushner have built a multi -billion dollar personal fortune by trading on his personal power.I don't think there are things that compare in the Biden administration to the level of personal corruption.And what I'm asking you is whether you don't think going after your political opponents illegally, you don't thinkis Billions of, with all of the examples you named, do you think...I want you to defend the claim that you're making.I'm defending it.

So Jared Kushner created a vulture capital fund, an investment fund, in which the primary investors were the Saudis who invested $2 billion into Jared Kushner's personal fund.The Emiratis have invested hundreds of millions of dollars as well.Donald Trump, his sons, Steve Whitkoff and his sons, created a crypto company that the UAE has devoted hundreds of billions of dollars to and then bought a 49 % stake share in.

have done the same.let's say I grant all of that.Because it's true.No, no, let's say I grant all of that.That still doesn't prove your claim.I brought up a whole list of things that Biden has done that's corrupt.

How much money did the Biden, did Biden's family make?

Can I make my second point?Can I make my second point?Can I make my second point?Okay, are American citizens not free to pursue business activities outside political office?No, no, they're not.Can Obama not pursue a Netflix deal?

Can Obama not pursue book deals with other people?

Once he's out of office, he can.Once he's out of, once he's served two terms, he can.and is out of office.This was - Was Trump in office when this was happening?Yes.The World Financial Liberty Company was created in the transition after he won the election and before he was inaugurated.

Four days before he was inaugurated, he created that crypto company into which hundreds of billions of dollars of foreign money have flowed, enriching the Trump family.I don't think you know about these transactions.I don't think we all, there's things that people have brought up that I don't know about.There's nothing wrong with that.I'm just saying, I think you ought to go look at those transactions.

You're just not defending your claim.Again, even if I would grant you all of that.to decide if I've defended or declined.Even if I grant you all of that, you still cannot address anything about Biden.You refuse to do so.

All right.

Good to meet you.How are you?

Good.How are you?Good.

Thanks.So you mentioned Donald Trump's crypto endeavor.So could you tell me a little bit more about that and how that makes him corrupt?

Sure.There's actually a constitutional prohibition on political leaders accepting or receiving gifts from foreign countries because of the obvious and extreme potential to corrupt U .S.foreign policy, because foreign governments and foreign leaders can pay money into the pockets of American officials in exchange for favors.So Trump, by creating this World Financial Liberty crypto company, along with Steve Whitkoff and his kids, made it so that not just it's a potential that foreign governments and foreign leaders can invest huge amounts of money that go into Trump's pocket, but that was what the company was created for.And that's exactly what has happened.

You mentioned that Trump was in violation of some type of federal law that restricted presidents from doing business.It's a constitutional amendment.Okay, awesome.Okay.So that you did not make that claim.You didn't say Trump was in violation of a constitutional amendment to try to protect the interests of the American people.

You said that he was corrupt.of a

that's But how do you have proof that he did this out of interest of the American public?

And also, who should be indicted?Somebody should be indicted, right?If there's corruption, who should it be?Donald Trump Jr.?

There's a lot of corruption.I think it's corrupt when the pharmaceutical lobby goes to members of Congress and says, well, donate $100 ,000 to your political campaign or spend $100 ,000 on your election in exchange for this.But it's not criminal.But it's not criminal.It's not criminal to do.And so there's all kinds of corruption, unfortunately, in our system that has been legalized.

in 2017.

It's like about three times greater now than it was when he sought the presidency in 2016.

Yeah, because inflation happens, time goes on, and also Biden was president.Because he got billions of dollars from the Persian Gulf dictatorship with whom he's closest in his presidency.During his term from January 2017 to January 2021, Donald Trump's net worth went down.During the Biden administration, his net worth went up, most likely because of inflation, because the Democrats were rampant with printing money.

Serious question.Just imagine a president of athat's the if that isn't corruption, I don't know what is.And all of you thought that what Hunter Biden did, which was on a much, much smaller scale, you all thought that was corruption.I did too, because I'm actually consistent.I don't change my principles based on which party is in office.

It's the same exact transaction, only as Andy McCarthy said, the longtime conservative prosecutor, in order to compare Trump's kids and Biden's kids, you have to add two zeros to what Trump's kids are doing.

All right, let's pause there.We've run out of time.Thank you.Good to talk to you.

American people's interests.

If you'd like to debate this claim, please get to the chair in three, two, one.

Hey, how are you?Good to meet you.Good to meet you.So I think in talking about this conflict or war, the things that we have to establish is what each side has lost.So in my estimation, and you're welcome to jump in, I think the US has lost about 40 to $50 billion.We've lost about 14 servicemen, which I think is the greatest loss that we've had.

And beyond that, we haven't lost a lot.What Iran has lost is their entire military.their entire Navy.They have lost half their leaders and a lot of money along the way.So in my estimation, we're winning this war.And the reason why we're fighting the war is because a thousand Americans have been killed by Iran in the last 50 years.

Have they lost?Has Iran, you mentioned the losses, has Iran lost any civilians?Yeah, I'm sure, that's how a war works.Like for example, that's how a war works?Like on the first day we vaporized 170 young Iranian schoolgirls by bombing an elementary school?Is that way into their calculation at all?

I think it's very clear that every single war there are civilian casualties.There's never been a war in history.

No, I know, but that's one reason why we shouldn't fight wars, right?Because innocent people die in them, life created by God is extinguished.

I would say if you're trying to be America first, which is the claim that you made, you should prioritize your own citizens and servicemen over the people of other countries.

I was hearing a lot.probably more than any other argument, before the start of the war, that the reason we had to go to war is because the Iranian people were massacring their own citizens and we had to go and protect them and liberate them and bring them freedom and democracy.Is that a goal of the war?And how does that weigh in with America First?

So absolutely, that's part of the war.The reason why Donald Trump chose to take the time that he did to go into Iran is because the fact that the people were ready to stand behind the U .S.government in that.So regime change is part of the war?I think regime change would be the best case scenario of the war, yes.

No, but is it a goal of the war?

of war if if

in this war.We are currently in a two -week ceasefire, where there is no regime change, where the current Iranian power structure, the Revolutionary Guard, everyone else continues to govern Iran.Will that have been a successful war goal?

Absolutely.We've lost 14 servicemen, bless their hearts, but they chose to do that, and they were very brave in doing so.We have decimated their military.I just want to focus on this war goal.I'm just confused because you were saying there are tiers of goals, for sure.If we can achieve four or five, Fantastic.

But I think what you said is so important, which is we're America first, right?

That's the movement that I thought that Donald Trump was creating that made me interested in the movement.

Yeah.And so you began by saying, oh, it really doesn't matter about these 170 schoolgirls, because we have to focus on American lives, not Iranian.No, that is what you said.

No, I'm saying that is every single war.We do this moral grandstanding where we say, oh, these civilians died.I do think it's horrible that civilians died.Do you?I absolutely do.But I think it's worse for the American government to prioritize anybody outside of America.

We've had over 1 ,000 people killed by the Iranian regime over the last 50 years.

How does bringing freedom and democracy to the Iranian people help the American people whose interests you say should be first?

Because the current regime has killed over 1 ,000 Americans if it's a different regime hopefully that will not be the case.Iranian people.That's why Trump chose to do it when he did it.Is it our goal?

Is it a war goal?

That is a goal, but there are tiers of goals, obviously.

Okay, so if we don't end up changing the government, will that be a goal that is failed or unfulfilled?

Sure, yeah, I've got no problem saying that.

Okay, if we achieve four out of five, no problem.We've got to pause there.You've been voted out by the majority.Good to talk to you.you.

Good to talk to you.

First of all, it was five guests to find out you're Jewish.Surprise.Surprise.Surprise.Why does Iran need a 60 % enriched uranium for?

is that they didn't develop a nuclear weapon.Because we've created a world in which we tell other countries, either you get nuclear weapons and we won't mess with you, like North Korea, or India, Pakistan.

You're looking for the North Korea model.That's what you're looking for?

I'm saying if I were Iran, or we tell the world, if you don't have nuclear weapons, we'll invade you and bomb you anytime.

Would Iran use a nuclear weapon if they had one?

No, why would they?There would be instant, immediate suicide.And we're told that the Iranian government...

It's not suicide.It's martyrdom.To them, it's jihad.

Okay, then why aren't they launching all of their...I know that...

Why are they not launching what?

Okay, you know what?First of all...No, no, no.You have to let me talk.You said, why aren't they...Why are they...

That they want it?Suicide.Every single time that the Israelis in the United States have attacked Iran in the past five years, which is many, and even before that, they have been extremely How many times have Iran attacked?Okay.Extremely restrained?Yes.

Define who it is that is attacking.Is it Iran?Is it the proxies?Are the proxies part of Iran?

Iran has an internationally recognized government at the UN that's recognized by all countries around the world.When I say Iran, that's who I mean.It's like the United States and Israel have proxies in Iran who are trying to overthrow the government, who were arming, who were training in order to overthrow the government.These peaceful protesters, a lot of them were actually armed and organized by Israel and Assad as they themselves admit.So the 45 ,000 people that were killed were killed?

Is the number 30 or 40 or 45?Well, from what we hear right now is 45 ,000, but here's what I tell you.That's not the number I hear.Iran ran out of body bags.Okay?Iran ran out of body bags in those two days.

And a country of 90 million people usually has around 30 ,000 body bags.in case of emergency.So that's what we're looking at right now.We have the numbers.The numbers vary from all over the place.Yeah, they do.

No, I would ask you, I'd like to ask you a question.Sure.If we, here in the United States, we had an insurrectionary movement that was armed by China and Russia, and they admitted it openly.We've armed an insurrectionary movement inside the United States because we want them to overthrow the American government.And they were going and attacking police officers, killing police officers, attacking government buildings.How do you think we would treat those protesters?

I don't need to give you any kind of of you know pie in the sky because you have Hamas and you have Hezbollah and you have this country I'm talking about our country okay do you not believe that these are attacking Americans as well The United States has been attacked many times over the last 30 years with horrific terrorist attacks.

Do you know how many of them have come from Iranian terrorists or Shia terrorists?The answer is zero.Zero.We have never been attacked on American soil.What terrorist attack?What terrorist attack happened from Iranian and Shia terrorists?

Which terrorist attack?We've had 9 -11, the Boston massacre, the Pulse shooting, Fort Hood, attempted bombing in Times Square.These were all Sunni terrorists from the governments that we love, like Saudi Arabia.You know there's a difference between Iran and the Arab countries, right?

And so I'm asking about the violence from Iran.We're talking about the Iranian threat.

How many terrorist attacks have come from Iran or from Shia terrorists on the United States soil?Any?on the United States soil.have troops over protecting Israel is because we put them in harm's way.But I'm asking about the American homeland.Has Iran attacked the American homeland through asymmetrical bombing, through terrorist attack, through guerrilla warfare, anything?

Why can't you just answer that?

Because the fact that you're blind to it.

Can you answer that?Just please answer that.Yes.When?When did that happen?

I don't have the exact details of when it happened.

It never happened.If anyone has any examples of terrorist attacks that came from Iranian or Shia terrorists, please come up and tell me.

Iranians control the Middle East in Syria.through their proxies, through the Houthis, through Hezbollah, through Hamas.And we control the Middle East through our proxy, which is Israel.So Israel is a proxy of the U .S.right now?

Yeah, absolutely.Oh, so we're not an ally, we're a proxy.Okay, we gotta pause there.Tell me why the ceasefire needs to include...

You've been voted out by the majority, we gotta pause there.

Thanks.Hey, how are you?Good to meet you.Good to meet you too.Um, I think bombing Iran is absolutely in the American people's interest because they've been a problem for 47 years.And I think we, I think what Trump is doing is he realized an opportune time where their economy, like the real means absolutely nothing.

Their terror proxies are no longer a deterrent.Hezbollah and Hamas have been absolutely decimated since October 7th.Um, and a desperate attempt, they murdered 30 plus thousand civilians in the streets and their uranium, 30 plus thousand, according to hospital records, 32 ,000 and, um, 60 % of them were killed.this is an opportune time where they're like the weakest they're going to be in the whole existence.So like we should end this now.

Yeah, I think it's, I want to talk about that.I do.I just want to ask you, and I'm not trying to be personal in any way, but I do think it's an interesting phenomenon that for centuries when countries wanted to go to war and people said, yeah, let's go to war.The big test was, are you willing to risk your own life in the war that you think is so important to defend your country's interests?You seem like a young guy to me.Have you ever thought about going and fighting in this war that you're cheering on?

I mean, I've thought about joining the military before.I don't know about this war specifically, but that's what makes them heroes, is they put themselves in dangerous situations.

I'm asking that because, as I said earlier, we are a country that constantly fights wars.It's extremely aberrational for other countries on the planet, including very powerful ones like China, as I said before, that has grown so significantly because they know that war is not a way that you can pretend you protect your national interests, but you undermine them.But we are so eager, so it's so easy for us to say, oh yeah, go fight that war, go blow up these people.Of course, we're doing stuff all the time.attacking the United States is supposed to be a war of last resort.That is not the case here.

We're blowing up their country.We're killing their people.We're threatening civilizational annihilation because Iran is not a threat to the United States.

Death to America, death to Israel, 60 % uranium enrichment.There's never been a country ever that for civilian uses with nuclear energy.

is that high.When the Iran deal was in place...To what level did Iran enrich uranium?

Want to know the thing about the Iran deal?

I asked that.They kept it low.

Want to know why?Because that had an expiration date.Meanwhile, they got to reap all the benefits of their unfrozen assets and fund their proxies.

This other thing about unfrozen, there's no limitations on terrorism.Do you think the United States has the right to just go around stealing other people's assets?Like, hey, Indonesia just sold, and the United States just decides on their own.We're on a higher moral ground than Iran.

Why are we pretending the same thing?

Because I think that's very doubtful.I know people in the United States, some of them think that, but the rest of the world does not think this.The rest of the world - Okay, so we cater to the rest of the world thinks like - No, we do have to get along in this world.Okay, we got a pause there.

You've been voted out.Pause.You've been voted out by the majority.All right, thank you.Thank you.

OK, so I would like to clarify.When you say that we are bombing Iran, I would like to say we are bombing the IRGC.This has been some of the most highly discriminant warfare in U .S.history.No civilian infrastructure has been targeted except for one bridge.

The school that you're talking about, there's some credible intel that that was a misfiring from the IRGC, just like with Al Shifa Hospital in Gaza.Nobody thinks that anymore, but go ahead.Even if...

But what about that bridge?So the bridge was a bridge built to be used by civilians, right?

Okay, I'm not going to get hung up on one bridge, okay?They were dismantling the IRGC.

But we're threatening to blow up all their power plants now, too.

Okay, we are trying to get the Iranian regime, which is belligerent, to the table.So this is what I view as in America's interest.Having an aggressive power in the region, which seeks to export the revolution, someone else already mentioned, they are fighting a cosmic war.It's really hard to negotiate with terrorist, whose own mortality is a welcome martyrdom.So the cost -benefit analysis and the negotiation table with a Shia extremist is going to look a lot different than any other nation around the world.So I view taking them out not only in America's interest, but in the interest of our NATO allies in Europe.

By taking them out, you mean getting rid of the government?

No, taking out the heads of the IRGC.I'm not talking about regime change, and Trump actually has never stated that as the official objective of this war.

But he did tell the Washington Post that freeing the Iranian people was the main goal.

No, he said it will be yours to take.That is a positive externality, that is not the war aim.There's a difference between a positive externality and a war aim and that is what President Trump stated.

Do you know the Washington Post interview I'm talking about?Are you denying that's something you hadn't read?

Glenn, how many times have you talked to the media?Don't insult my intelligence in the point I'm making by myopically focusing on one Washington Post article.

I think I take the president seriously when he says this is what my most important goal is in going to war with Iran.

He said it was to take out the IRGC's infrastructure.Again, it's the IRGC's infrastructure.And again, he's never said regime change.He said it will be for the Iranian people to take.

Is the IRGC still in power?

Well, then you're acknowledging the great success of this military campaign, if you're saying that they're not in power.So yeah, that's why this is great.

I asked several people now, the goal of this war or the goals of this war, what do you consider those to be?

The main objective, the primary objective of this war is to take out the IRGC's offensive Military capabilities, which is not just a nuclear weapon.It could also be ballistic missiles Which can reach the interior of our NATO allies in Europe, which they didn't know before the start of this operation.We're currently negotiating with the Iranians, right?What are you waiting for?What is the alternative, Glenn?You want them to hit a NATO ally country and then we're in a larger -scale war?

Is that a positive alternative to you?

Israel has a huge amount of nuclear, of a huge nuclear stockpile.I'm not even talking about nuclear capabilities.And there are tons of countries that have intercontinental ballistic missiles.They are not belligerent actors who are fighting a cosmic war and aren't deterred by their own mortality.Israel is fighting a cosmic war.

They are not fighting a cosmic war.

No, they are not.They are not fighting an eschatological war.They are religious freaks.The people who run Israel are religious and political fanatics.

They can have a different religious prescription than you and not be fighting a cosmic war.

If they were fighting a cosmic war, Gaza wouldn't exist today.Let me ask you a question.If the Iranians are these extremely irrational people who seek martyrdom and want to die, why are we now negotiating an attempt to negotiate it into this war?Why were we able to diplomatically negotiatean Iran deal before?But you're saying they want to die.

They want to die.

But they want to die.So many of them have died.

But you're saying they want that.Why would there be Iranian officials currently negotiating into the war with the United States when you're saying these are religious fanatics who want to die?

Why would they want the war to end then?Because the end of the regime is going to come if they can't get to the negotiation table, and that's a certainty.Let's get back to why this is good for America and Europe.They have ballistic missiles that can reach the interior of our NATO allies.the rest of the Middle East.You're so myopically focused on Israel when it comes to Iran and the Middle East.

I didn't mention Israel.I'm talking about this entire debate.You have the entire Gulf states.You have Saudi Arabia, you have Kuwait, Bahrain, the UAE.All of these countries also benefit.So you're trying to myopically focus and propagate Israel as a motive for this war.

I thought we were America first.So now we're fighting a war for Persian Gulf tyrannies?What is your alternative?You don't agree with sanctions because it's their money.You don't agree with responding to provocation of the Iranian regime.You've conflated Iran and the Middle East.

and their military proxy.seem to really like, which is Israel, has said for 30 years that the Iranians are seconds away, minutes away, weeks away from getting a nuclear weapon.For 30 years, the Israelis have told Americans this, and yet they never have.Tulsi Gabbard, who's not an Iranian, but the American Director of National Intelligence, goes to...I think you're probably too young to have lived through the Iraq War, but anyone who stood up and opposed the Iraq War, the worst disaster in American history of the last100 years, was told, you're a propagandist for Saddam Hussein.

You're rooting for the terrorists in Iraq.This tactic doesn't work.This is a bullshit tactic.I'm an American citizen.I care about American interests.

I'm not a defender of Iran.the International Atomic Energy Agency.

Only once the deal was invalidated by President Trump.

Okay, so if they're such good faith actors, why wouldn't they just let them stay?

They comply with their treaty that Israel refuses to sign, which is the nuclear non -proliferation treaty.Every country in the world except for Israel, India, Pakistan, and South Sudan signed that deal.And under that nuclear non -proliferation deal, the IAEA inspectors are allowed to go in.And Iran allowed far more invasive capability.

Listen, Glenn, it's IA -101 that when your adversary raises to arms and increases their offensive capabilities, it's going to create a security dilemma for the West.

That's a madman mentality.The idea that we're supposed to go and bomb every country that we're in conflict with because they build up their conventional weapon system.The difference with Iran is that Iran has that right.

We got applause.You've been voted out.You can return to your seat.

Hello.How you doing?

I'm back.So we're going to get into whether or not this is America first.I just want to start with one thing that you've been saying is that we fight wars at the best of Israel, which is very important.So in Israel...I didn't say that.No, you did.

You said that we fight wars for Israel or we come into Israel's defense in every single war.That's what you said, but let me respond to that.So when it comes to this...

I need to tell you what I said just so you don't start arguing against the point that you made.

That is what you have said, but sure, go ahead.really quickly.

way to protect Israel in those wars.

So only Iran?

Correct.I think we deploy our military forces to protect Israel on top of all the money that we give them.

Do we deploy our military forces to protect Bahrain and Qatar and Kuwait where we have also military bases there?

Barely ever because they're not fighting war with their neighbors the way Israel is.

What was the number one country that was hit by Iran?during, like, in terms of missiles.

You mean in the last three months since we've attacked them?

During the conflict, currently.

They've shot wars at a lot of, at Saudi Arabia and Iraq.

Number one is Qatar.Number one is Qatar.It's almost like number three.Okay.Okay, great.And so our assets are there defending those countries as well, right?

Yeah, we have military bases there.Okay, great.What did bin Salman say in 2018?

In reference to Iran?2018 is a long time.What do you mean, what did he say?

Well, you were mentioning things from the 80s and 90s, so I was just saying, but...

The Saudis and the Iranians have had...The Saudis and Iranians have had...

I wonder where that came from, but hold on, bin Salman said that...The IRGC and the Ayatollah, don't cut me off.

Don't cut me off here.This is important.

You're trying to avoid this.Because you know what he said.In 2018, bin Salman said the Ayatollah, you want me to tell you?

that's what's happening in the United Statesuses Saudi Arabia to attack Iran, Iran has been shooting missiles at military bases in Saudi Arabia.That's not true.

So it really stems from the 2011 Yemeni civil war.And I mean, we can go to Yemeni history where there's communists in the south and the north that was more pro -Western or more pro -capitalist and so on.But specifically, the number one funder of the Houthis has been Iran.

Correct.

And the Houthis have obviously taken over the capital.They've been undermining the official government.And that's why Saudi had to get involved to protect their own airspace and their own defenses as well, because Houthis were launching missiles into Saudi Arabia.And who funds that?The IRGC.In 2018, bin Salman specifically said that, who was the Hitler of the Middle East in 2018?

Or even still now, you could say, the Ayatollah.That's what he specifically said.

It's so funny that you think Mohammed bin Salman is the moral arbiter of the Middle East.

Mohammed bin Salman is the worst monster on the planet.You can say he's the worst monster on the planet.Is he?Is he a monster?Is he a monster?Sure, sure, hold on.

$142 billion arms deal.$142 billion arms deal we signed with them last year.I also believe we signed a $1 trillion AI deal.So in terms of economic benefits that we have in strategic asset benefits, yeah, it's very good, right?And it's funny when you say we love our assets.It's funny when you talk about our assets, because that's really funny.

What is the point?Can you get to the point that you're making?Yeah, sure, I can get to it.What is the point?Great, I'll get to it.Just let me finish.

So in reference to our assets specifically, let's talk about South Korea.So since 1950, we spent about $4 billion annually on South Korea.So that's what, 76 years we've been doing that for?That's $304 billion.You don't talk about that.How many, where is the number one country?

I do talk about that.Hold on, hold on, hold on.

What is the number one country where we have...

What does this have to do with the war in Iran?Because you're acting as if this is an Israel -only thing.I haven't mentioned it.We're not talking about Israel.No, you did say this.

Bombing Iran is not in American people's interest.

Do you have anything to say about that?You've been making this purely about Israel.I don't think it's about Israel.Why are you so scared?to debate the truth?You've been making this about Israel.

The point that I picked, that number two that I chose, is President Trump is subservient to the Israel lobby.I sat here and talked about this for 20 minutes.I'm not afraid to talk about Israel.There are other reasons why the United States is at war with Iran besides Israel.

Israel is a major factor.Let me give you a dichotomy.Let me give you a dichotomy.Okay, okay.We've got to pause there.I just want to give Matt One word answer.

Do you think it's in the United States' best interest?

I have one question for him.

We're out of time on this prompt, so I just want to hear one word answer to his prompt.Do you think it's in the United States' best interest to bomb Iran?

Absolutely, yes.

Okay, great.I want to do a quick, quick poll.Raise your flag if you would support if the United States sent ground troops to Iran.Raise them high just so we can get a count of flags.

Raise your flag if you, if the Americans sent ground troops to Iran that you would go right now and sign up to be part of that ground invading force.

Thank you.

Thank you guys.So for our last portion, I'm going to ask you to look around the circle and select somebody who you want to return to this chair and debate for a final 10 minutes based on their claim.

Hi again, Glenn.Hello.My surrounded claim is that Donald Trump is the best president of my lifetime.

All right, so I want to ask you what your metrics are.Just name the two or three most important metrics.

OK, yeah, I would just say America first, being prioritizing of the American people.I would say the second metric to me would be, frankly, the economy, which I know that kind of ties into America first.But I think the economy is the most important thing in opinion polls to Americans.And then the third is foreign policy, which we've talked about today, which is kind of a personal note for me. I think he's been the best on foreign policy.

So let's start with the third one, just because what we're talking about.I have a question about that.So as I said earlier, whathis approach to this new political movement, to this kind of new Republican politics, was this very aggressive critique of prior Republican orthodoxy on foreign policy, particularly the Iraq War, but other kinds of regime change efforts.In the first term, I thought he adhered to that because, as I said earlier, he was the first president in decades not to start a new American war.Do you think that there has been a full -scale alignment in the second term, even though he focused on Yemen and bombing the Houthis, which President Biden had done, then he moved to arming and funding Israel and its destruction of Gaza?

and his stealing of land in Syria and Lebanon, then on to Venezuela, talking about overthrowing the government of Cuba, putting a new regime chain in Cuba, and also this war in Iran.Can you really say with all of that in 14 months that he has focused most on America?

Yeah, absolutely.I think that the hallmark of his foreign policy is that he makes conflicts quick.And so I don't know if I can say this about the other people in the room, but for me, if the conflict in Iran doesn't end in the next six months, then I would consider that to be a failure.I don't that'sbeing acted upon.

to that became very controversial.During that 2020 year, there were all kinds of very severe lockdowns.He kept Anthony Fauci in place, the COVID infrastructure in place.Do you think his management of COVID was good?

Well, I would not say that his management of COVID was perfect.But again, my claim - Was it good?Was it good?No, I wouldn't say it was even good.But my claim was that he is the best president of this century.And I think everyone here and I think yourself would agree that Biden handled it much worse than Donald Trump did.

Do you agree with that?I thought Donald Trump's handling it was terrible, and I thought Biden's handling it was terrible.But Biden's was much worse.I mean, Donald Trump would not have prolonged that in the same way.Can we agree on that, though?

The worst lockdowns happened under President Trump in 2020.

But that was also right when the virus happened, and nobody knew it was happening.That is completely unfair.

There were huge numbers of people throughout 2020 who were protesting on the grounds that those lockdowns were extremely repressive.Totally fine.Totally fine.We weren't even allowed to go to our relatives' funerals.I'm not defending that.I'm not defending that.

No, but that was, for me, that was an extremely dark mark on the first Trump administration.

I totally agree.defend those.the vaccine mandate, that nothing that Donald Trump did was ever pushing a vaccine mandate on the American people.

I mean, there were people, including in the military in 2020, who were told that they had to get the COVID mandate, who were told they had to get the COVID vaccine or face termination.

So I disagree on that, but Biden did it to the entire country.So again, my claim is not that Donald Trump didn't make mistakes.My claim is that he is the best president that we have had so far.So my question for you really quick, because we're on COVID here.do you think that had Donald Trump been in office longer during COVID that he would've prolonged those bad policies like Biden did for literally years after?

empowerment of Fauci as the supreme authoritarian leader who basically whose pronouncements couldn't be questioned, that all was done by Donald Trump.I know we all want to forget that because a lot of us think that that was very bad.

I'm not denying that.

But Donald Trump was the birther, the genesis of that COVID regime.

Yeah, and Donald Trump has since come out and completely come out against that and Biden has not.So here's my question to you.There's only four presidents who've been president this century.Who do you think is better than Donald Trump?

I actually think that if you judge by the metrics on which I focus but also on the impact of the country.the establishment, above global institutions, above the military -industrial complex, all the things that Trump basically promised to do, focus on the working class.I think that in a lot of ways, in the second term, Donald Trump's second term is so different from his first, and the second term, I think, is arguably the worst.

So you think his first term is the best version of the presidency that we've had this century?

It's just, again, it's just such bad competitors.But yeah, I would probably rank his, in this century, I would rank his first term near the top.So we're in agreement.Yeah.I told you that.I said that from the beginning.

I said that from the beginning that I was an enthusiast for what Trump promised, for the Trump movement, for the America First movement.I actually believed in that.That's what I want.So here's my question, since we have more time, Glenn.President Trump's presidency, his second term, we're only about a year and a half in, right?And so are you willing to change your opinion if, for instance, we talked about Iran earlier.

Let's say the Iran war finishes up here in the next month, and there is no regime change, but we did completely take out their military, we did take out half the IRGC.

We haven't taken, we haven't, they have thousands of ballistic missiles left.

in one the second term and thinking, I'm not thinking about the midterms, I'm not thinking about the politics at all, I'm going to do...Absolutely not.He, as we've talked about today, he has talked about this since the 1980s.He has always been anti -Iran and he's always made it very clear that Iranians...

Why didn't he do it in the first term?

Because, as I spoke about earlier in our previous section, because the Iranian people themselves have come out and are finally willing to actually go against the IRGC.

We don't fight wars to liberate people, we don't fight wars because the politics...Israelis of a created public opinion polls asking who supports the IRGC and who does not it always overwhelmingly comes out that they do not support them.You're the one who told me that you weren't that bothered by the blowing up of that school because we should prioritize American lives over Iranian lives, aren't you?

We're talking about the timing of this.No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, to do the work so that we take on less casualties.No, I have not.

You haven't?You should go check because they're gigantic.No.And the reason for that is because every population, every population unites behind their leaders when they're attacked by a foreign country.It's a tribal instinct that happens.George Bush was a hated president.

He got elected.9 -11 happened.All Democrats, liberals, people on the left, for the most part, united behind George Bush.It's a tribal instinct that when you're attacked by a foreign power, you unite behind your government.

I just want to make one more point on the casualties, because we talked about that.We've taken 14 casualties since the war started.Something that Donald Trump did towards the first term that you really liked was that he brought us out of Afghanistan.

Biden oversaw the withdrawal but Trump negotiated that.

if a future president gets involved in Iran and puts boots on the ground, that we don't have to lose hundreds of people pulling them out again.And so I think what he's doing right now is absolutely heroic.

Heroic?

Yeah, absolutely heroic.

What's heroic about sending other people to go fight wars?

I think it's absolutely heroic to say, again, we've had a thousand Americans die in the last 50 years because Iranian terrorists and proxies have killed them.

But you said the war's going to end without a regime change.

Well, I don't know if that's true.I don't think anyone does.But if it doesn't, my main point is Trump is willing.Trump understands that the American people may or may not want the Iran conflict to happen.But he's willing, but he knows what happens when we do go into places like this.And he does not want to have to withdraw again.

So that is why he is attacking the way he is.And we've taken far less casualties because of it.

The problem that he's gotten himself into is he has two options, both of which are very bad.Either we end the war now.We leave the regime in place.They have thousands of ballistic missiles still pointed at Israel, still able to reach the Gulf states.They still have control of the Strait of Hormuz.They're still able to charge for it, which none of that was true prior to the war.

They still have huge drones and drone -making capacities.We've sunk a lot of their ships.We killed a bunch of their leaders.They're still running Iran.

The Iranian people still don't have - I think that is Iranian propaganda.

What is Iranian propaganda?

there's been the New York Times and the Washington Post.Where do they get that information?Yeah, it's possible they get it from US intelligence.Of course they do!So you're using the same sources I am!But to act like... the same ballistic missile capabilities exist right now.

No idea what's going to come next.These are jihadists that go blow themselves up.This is not destabilizing the region.The only way to talk about Florida is some little game that you just started to play, and then you just leave it alone as if you're not actually involved in the bombs.All right, great to talk to you.I appreciate it.

If you are MAGA and you watch this video, let us know if you support the United States actions in Iran.Thank you so much for watching.Tune in Wednesday for a follow -up podcast.and we'll see you next time.

the topics we were discussing just made it much more pleasurable and enjoyable for me to do.

I think Glenn Greenwald is a very good debater.Everything he was saying about Qatar and the UAE and the financial interests that the Trump administration has with them, he's absolutely right.

Glenn, who seems to be anti -corruption on both sides, skirts around the Qatar issue again when he talked about The Trump family's dealings in the Gulf states, there was a $5 .5 billion deal that they did in Qatar, and that's really conveniently left out because they exist within the axis of power that aligns with Iran.

Corruption doesn't get that much attention because people don't think that if they vote those people out, the other people will be less corrupt.

Trump, yeah, I think he's corrupt like every other politician.I just think he's far less corrupt than the Biden administration or any other alternative that we had going into this election.

I mean, I definitely think there's corruption.I don't think it's more than Joe Biden's.Causally, is it negative for us?Like, this company funding Trump, is Trump doing something that's against American interests as well?

And the amount of money that the Trump family is monetizing and profiting from, it's shocking.And I do think when people hear it laid out, even Trump supporters who, you know, are willing to be critical of him, kind of take a second look and say, wow, that does actually bother me.