100 days in prison to bail | Ducky Bhai in an Exclusive Podcast with Irshad Bhatti

Today I am here because of whom the stories of National Cyber Crime Investigation Agency came to light. Sardar Rahman Duckey. I came to the NCCIE office.

Yes.

Sardar Choudhary told me that I have to meet Duckey. I said definitely, I have to meet him. He brought you, you came to the room, you sat on the chair.

Yes.

The first question I asked was, do you have any torture?

You said no.

The second question was, did you get bribed? You said no.

The third question was,

are you okay here? You said I am comfortable. And then the fourth question was, I don't even admonish you, be a good person. Why didn't you tell me then

that you have been tortured, you have been robbed, your family is going through a lot of torture.

Mr. Farzab came upstairs, I was being investigated. He said, I am undying. I.O said, yes. He said, bring him to me. I.O put his hand close to mine and took me to the additional doctor's room. There he started misbehaving with me.

What misbehaviourbehaving with me. What misbehaving?

He slapped me.

Dr. Umar Adil was telling me that you were beaten up many times in front of him.

Yes, I was. I don't know. It happened.

I also have a question in my mind. You were having a successful life. You are one of the two or three best YouTubers in Pakistan. How did you get into the promotion of Juhi?

Why this shortcut?

A gambling app which you think is very bad It is the sponsor of your biggest league PSL There are pictures of Waseem Akram and Dutty And everyone is using it So why only Dutty there. And everyone is using it. So why only Dutty Bhai? Please draw a map of the prison.

The cell of the prison, the door of the cell, the iron door. There is a pile of garbage right in front of it.

What is the reason that you are a big YouTuber, Millions of people listen to you. You are so well known. No one came to help you. After 100 days of imprisonment, your first vlog comes. One question was whose idea it was. Another point of view is that maybe this was a part of the script.

Someone has made a photo. I am sitting at the same place. I zoomed out and two cameramen have gathered. One person is standing with a light. One person is standing with a paper. One person is standing with that. Now those who had brains, they know that...

Umar Adil once said that when Ducky was telling you that he is treating you well, he is taking care of you, everything is going well, if you would have picked up his shirt, it would have been like a brinjal.

Umar Adil sir... He had put a trail shell on you. Yes, Umar Adil had put a poly shell. Umar Ali had applied polyfax and Vaseline on my back.

Who is Big Brother?

This is...

Ishaan bhai, you know Big Brother.

Big brother.

You had been to a few places.

Yes.

He had invited you to big houses.

Yes. They asked me how I was expecting to solve my case. I said I'll get it done through a legal channel. They said I was smart enough to solve it that way. You don't know what kind of case it is. You don't know how far it has gone.

They pointed out that the authorities is going to the authorities above. I don't know who all are going to be involved in this case. So, they have given instructions to give a tone to Saad. These were their words.

$3,26,420 has been transferred to your account. Yes. All of that they still there?

They...

You were in jail when you were failed? Yes, I was in jail.

So, who informed you?

The in-charge was there. He came and informed me first. He came and told me.

How did you fail?

I was crying. I hugged him. When you came out of the jail, who came to pick you up?

My brother came to pick me up.

When I came out of the jail, he was quiet and so was I. As soon as we came out of the gate, we looked at each other and and screamed in the car. We were like, what happened?

Thank you so much for meeting us.

Thank you so much for your time.

Yes, Assalamu Alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh. National Cyber Crime Investigation Agency. This story is getting more and more shameful. The institution that was supposed to stop the crime, started committing the crime. The former DG of NCCIA has been dismissed. Seven officers of the National Cybercrime Investigation Agency,

seven human-like officers, I am sad to say that they human rights activists are in jail, 16 of them are on the list, many have fled, many have been granted bail and are now suffering the consequences. And it was the institution that had to help us, cyber crime, to stop crime. They themselves kept committing crimes. And they committed such crimes with such bravery that I was amazed when the stories came out

that so much injustice can also happen, so much darkness can also happen, so much cruelty can also happen. And there are 15 circles of the National Cybercrime Investigation Agency. Every circle went from the bottom to the top. Catching people, killing them naked, giving them mental torture, harassing their families, and blackmailing, harassment.

There is a story beyond this. You are seeing a few papers here. I have received many such papers and many such stories. What happened to the girls, 20-22 girls. I will tell you this story sometime. It is full of pain and sorrow. What happened to them in the Lahore office of the National Cybercrime Investigation Agency. And when these 6-7 officers, who are human-like officers, were being investigated by them,

they were in the prison, so they were asked a question from all of them, that whatever we have heard and whatever you have told us, if your daughter, your sister or any woman in your house has a problem with cyber, can she go to NCCIA? Everyone said no. She should not go. This was the condition of the National Cybercrime Investigation Agency.

I am telling you the stories of the victims of this crime. I have told you the story of Dr. Umar Adil. He is saying that he took 25 lakhs from me. For what? Because you are given a judicial cut. And today I am the reason why the stories of the National Cybercrime investigation agency. that whatever you have faced in these 100 days, will you be able to tell them?

He says no. He says that he will write a book after 10-15 years. And we will wait for that book. Because there is a lot that he will not be able to tell, but there is a lot that he will tell. Whatever happened with Ducky bhai,

you have seen his vlog. After 100 days of jail, jail and10% of what happened to him after 100 days of jail and imprisonment. And today I have come to listen to that story. And after this, there are 15-16 more people who I have to go to. Who were NCCIE's accits and were in a dirty prison. And how they were tortured, how they were treated by their families.

I will tell you all these stories. So today I have with me Ducky Bhai, Sadhur Raman Ducky Bhai. First of all, thank you very much.

Thank you so much for inviting me. This is a moment of joy for me, it is an honour for me that you have invited me. Thank you.

And what can I say? I wish that your wife Arub came to the show. She came but I was surprised that she was so brave to fight for 100 days. Zia and her.

She was so brave from the camera. Actually, she does not have an issue with the camera, she wants that the three months that have passed on it, she forgets completely. She may not have seen my video either, in that way, neither does she ask any questions about it, so she does not talk about it. So she is telling me that I said, Mr. Shazq Bhatti has come, so let's make a podcast. She said that she doesn't want to even think about the past three months.

So I said, let me tell her.

We were trying to get her to join in the middle. I have a few questions for her. She has to do this, that you are a role model for women. The way you faced the oppression, one was facing the oppression inside and the other was facing the oppression outside. So I wanted to ask this. First of all, I will start the story. You may remember that I came to the office of NCCIE.

That day was a holiday and I was sitting in Sarfaraz Chaudhary's office. He was also sitting there. Sarfaraz Chaudhary told me that you want to meet Ducky. I said definitely I want to meet him. He brought you to my room. You sat on the chair. I asked you 2-3 questions. The first question was, do you get tortured?

I said no.

The second question was, did you get bribed?

I said no.

The third question was, are you comfortable here? I said yes. And then Sifar Chaudhary said, I don't admonish you, be a good person.

When you go abroad,

do good for the next generation. So why didn't you tell me at that time that you are being tortured, money has been taken from you, you and your family are going through a torture I have mentioned this in my video that I had decided in between when the podcast of Junaid Salim came reaction I didn't even tell my family. I only told Zia about this during my jail time that this and this kept happening inside so that the relevant people who were helping us could convey the message but neither my mother nor Roop knew about it. They found out about it only after watching my video. And before that, when I came back from jail, I told him about it. So I decided that I don't want to tell anyone. Because after that, what is going to happen to you,

that person already has in mind. The person says that I don't want to get involved in this. When you came, there was a person who wanted to take me from the jail, he told me to come. He had brought handcuffs. He said, Mr. Shadbatti has come. But you have no relatives. Your problem is solved by Mr. Sarfaraz Chaudhary. I said, okay. And if he asks any question, you just have to give a positive answer and come back. He said, I don't want to talk much.

I said, okay.

Anyway, he went.

He first got me to sit in front of you. He got a chair for me. He said, sit, sit. Because you had come. He had to create an impression in front of you. Because you are a journalist, you are an anchor, you host a journalist, an anchor, a show host you will obviously tell the public that you have met me

and what happened between you and me you will obviously tell them, they know so they have created an impression in front of you that the accused here is very comfortable when it is not like that many people have been here before you

I told them the same

I am absolutely fine here But you don't think that you have done this wrong? Absolutely wrong That you should have been telling from somewhere You are also there You should have been telling from somewhere

Now this is the same thing

that when the Junaid Salim podcast came Ok, when Junaid Salim came then what was your attitude? He scolded me, he had put me in charge of the I.O. He had put me in charge of the private employees. And Sarfaraz had taken a separate duty to make sure that he does not say anything out of place.

And the story that Junaid Salim told, that the Jawa food people, as you told me, were coming up, so when they were coming down, can you tell us that scene again, what did you do when you went to their room?

When I went to their room, this was my first presentation. You can say that I had been remanded for two days and I had returned to the NCCI office So Mr. Sarfaz came upstairs I was being investigated He said, I am on diet I.O said yes He said bring him to me

I.O made a handcuff and took him down to the additional director room

The room where you and I met?

Yes, in that room exactly So there he started misbehaving with me whereas I was standing like this I was standing like this I was not looking at him

I was not looking left or right

I was standing like this

He started abusing me and he said what does your father do? I told him that he is my professor so he said then what does your father do? I told him that he is my professor he said, then why are you so... he said it wrongly

why are you like this? I said I wanted to tell him in between that sir, you are misunderstanding I am a YouTuber I belong to a good family

I am speaking now

so he slapped me

now I slapped him now I am not speaking at all I was speaking, then he slapped me.

Now I am not speaking at all, I am just like this. He started abusing me on this topic, then he slapped me. He is also abusing my mother and sister. I have told you in my video, I feel a little off repeating it again and again, but I will tell you again. He then made a video call to a kid and he made me bend my legs and put my hands up

and he made a private servant stand behind me

Like it is done in movies

It was more than movies and it was the responsibility of the private servants to keep slapping me I don't know how many he has slapped, I didn't count So he made a video call to the kid He said, Do you know Ducky Bhai?

Do you watch his program? He turned on the back up and said, Give him a bad word. So, see what's happening to him. So, he started giving him bad words. A 7 year old kid?

I am told that age. He was not older than this. the child started abusing him? Yes, he started abusing his mother So I will tell you that there are 4 to 5 eyewitnesses

in this scene

Who were they?

Because I came here as a new student, I only remember my I.O Shoaib Riaz The rest were the rest of the officers were from the same department No one was from outside They were all from the same department

But there were 4-5 people present on the spot So it's not like if I say something, they will say no But those 4-5 people are his eyewitnesses So when they took me upstairs, they took me upstairs. I had tears in my eyes. To be honest, I didn't have any tears then.

It was written on my face. It was red from here. It was red from this side. It was red from here. There were tears in my eyes. They were swollen.

So automatically, when you beat up a person, you was in a state of shock so automatically when you hit a person more than 10 times, you must have written this on his face when he asked me that you told him this, I told him the opposite I told him that sir if you hit me in front of people then what should I do, it is your fault, you should have locked me in the jail

I explained to him that you should have killed me and locked me in the jail what is my fault if Junaid Salim has given a podcast

And what Junaid Salim was saying that you fell at the feet of your friend or acquaintance to save me, that he is killing me

I had requested him that I had bowed down I came to that stage that please do something

You told him not to kill you I didn't that stage that please do something You told him not to beat you

I didn't even say that I just told him two things I said you beat me when you have any doubt on me or I give you any wrong information

What did you tell your friend?

I said the same thing I said if you have any conversation with an officer or someone you can request them only one thing that if you have any doubt with an officer, request him to hit me if you have any doubt or I am saying something wrong and he should hit me less, he is hitting me 10 times and for no reason, I told him while crying when I was saying this, tears started flowing Now he said this to someone outside, and reached to the Naisreen When he gave a podcast about this, he was taken to the jail

Was he killed again?

No, he scolded me on this I said this in my video that I was scolded again

Dr. Umar Adil who was there for 9 days, he was also in custody He told me that he was released after paying 25 lakhs. He was telling that you were beaten naked in front of him many times.

Yes, it happened. When investigation was going on, he asked me where are my hidden wallets. Where are my hidden wallets? Where are my other accounts? I told them I don't have any hidden wallets I gave them to you

And they didn't even know I gave them to them I gave them to the finance people They didn't know I gave them to them only because I wanted to cooperate with the institution

So that the institution doesn't think that I have said something wrong or I have hidden something. So, they asked me where are your hidden wallets? Other than this, I said, sir, there is no one. You have a mobile, you have a laptop, now you have my wife's phone, you can visit my house,

you can keep the devices you get, you have a forensic lab, you have 100 things, I have given you all the email and gmail passwords, I have given you everything, you have seen something, you are pretending to be smart. And this was Shoaib Riaz? Yes, he said, you are pretending to be smart. I said, sir, I am just telling you because you are not believing me. He said, there is no hidden wallet.

I said, no. After that, what you are telling me happened. Then he hit me and asked again, tell me, where is your hidden wallet? I said sir it is not there, then he agreed.

Both Roob and Ducky were going to Malaysia. At Islamabad airport, the immigration people caught them. And then brought them to the NCCI office. Before this, any notice, any call, any inquiry?

No, as such, no notice is made. Although, I know that when inquiry is done, they send a notice. And if that notice is not received, they send another one. Two or three notices are sent. After that, if they have to take any action, they take it. And you didn't even know that you have a case?

No, no.

Brother Ishaan, my history is left. I get any notice. I do a thorough investigation and incorporate it. Maybe not a single institution has ever said that we have sent a notice to Saad and he is missing. No institution can say that. And no WhatsApp, no message from the FPCIA?

No notice has come. No notice has come. and it is obvious that if you send a notice to someone because when they go to take my remand, my lawyer contests that no notice has been sent to him and the prosecutor or the IA says that we have sent it if you are saying that we have sent it, then it must have some documentary evidence you must have sent it to Leopard Courier, TCS or some other courier company

which must have a history that yes, this document is from here at Ducky Bhai's house or at some address, okay? There is a history. Courier companies also have a history of this document.

Or at least WhatsApp.

WhatsApp has a history, okay? But it was still demanded, even though they did not show any documentary evidence. Even though my lawyer used to say that show some documentary evidence that you have sent

a notice. The story that has come out of the NCCIA, that is, the National Cyber Crime Investigations Agency, is very interesting. It was interesting because there was a nexus, a network. Investigation, lawyer, court. There was a nexus and a lot of things are yet to come.

I don't want to name anyone. A lot has been recorded. There is a lot of white powder in it. We will find out later. May Allah make all this reach the people. So that the people see their real faces,

who are sitting in different positions. And people are being people worse than animals, they came in front of everyone. Did you get a call when they were stopped?

Yes, I went to drop Saad and Bhabhi and then I came back home. So, after 15 minutes Saad called again that the immigration people stopped us, so you come back. So I called him back. I was in the parking, I couldn't understand the situation because if I had messaged him, he wasn't replying as such. So I told Bhabhi what the problem is, what is going on.

So she started telling that people have gathered and are asking Saad so he said that I am going with Saad only. But I said no no you at least come home. And after that when I messaged Saad, he got single ticked. After that the message was not sent. He had taken Saad's phone and put it on airplane mode I took my phone early so Aroob had a phone which we gave to Neetha

because Aroob was not in stop list we were not even telling her that if you want to go, you can go the flight has to leave after 45 minutes but she didn't go so

the small conversations that were happening with her phone because we thought that maybe we won't be able to fly but because we also asked the immigration people I asked the ma'am, can you tell us what the FIR is? She said, there is no FIR. There is no FIR. She said, there is an inquiry. I said, I have heard this for the first time that even in an heard that your PNIL is included in the inquiry

so she said I don't know but it is an inquiry, no FIR is being shown of your cyber crime. Because we checked our phones, I think that data is shown to you that how many FIRs are there in this particular ID card. I don't think all of them are there. So yes, but on that, like they mentioned motorway, that was there, so that was it, nothing else was there. I mentioned about the motorway, that was also there, so that was the only thing, nothing else. I only have the motorway FIR report. And you can see the FIR time, after my departure.

Okay, first they stopped you at the airport, then from there, how long were you there?

There we, I didn't calculate the time, but I think it was an hour.

They kept an hour there, and then you were taken to NCCIA Yes, directly And then after that the FIR was filed

Yes, after that the FIR was filed Whereas my PNIL is named without FIR I have never heard of such a thing in history

Ok, so you were in the parking

Yes

After that I told my wife to at least come home once and then we'll see what happens And when we came home, more people started contacting us News started coming in, some clips came So we were avoiding this from happening That something like this would be in the media I was thinking about this there as well

That there was an inquiry, what should be highlighted So I told the immigration ma'am

that we should

camouflage because the team from NCCI had arrived I requested them to camouflage us and take us and not make it a media matter Our luggage was being taken by an FIA officer

I said no, give me the luggage I will take the luggage so that it doesn't look like there is an issue but when he was standing in the middle of the airport I sometimes feel that sometimes he himself is interested in coming to the media when I made a big request to him

I said, as soon as the car comes

I will take the luggage and go I will sit in whichever car you say that luggage, any of you can take it I said, okay and I will go with the luggage I will sit in the vehicle you ask me to sit in I have a family coming to take a photo

I will send you a clip of a kid coming to take a photo and I will take a photo with him and send it to you I saw that on the internet. I saw it a few days ago. So, he was right in the middle of the airport. The entire FIA team, NCCI team, everyone was standing there. I said, man, they are doing this on purpose. They would have stood somewhere in the corner. Whatever paperwork there was, they would have put it in my car. But then the video was also stopped there. Then a video of the airport was out that me and Aroob were standing there with the officer

and we had our stuff, I was wearing a shirt and a blue killer. So that was out and then that news was made.

Okay, so then you found out where they were taking him?

No, we didn't know where they took him. Then Aroob came home so after that the device, the Apple system, basically I shared the location but my phone was on airplane mode but there was another device

in my luggage which was not on airplane mode from there they traced the location and they found out that this is NCCI, Gulberg office. Gulberg office.

And all your luggage came home?

No. They took all the luggage, touchy case, everything. My wife's luggage, make-up, clothes, everything was with them. And did they give it to you? They gave it later.

All the things? No, they didn't give me everything. What was not there?

They didn't give me my passport bag, they didn't give me my wallets. And after that they gave me... How much money did you have in your wallet? We didn't have money, we had cards, debit cards etc. So, they gave us only our tachycase and our clothes and makeup Thank God they didn't keep the makeup

so we don't have to do it ourselves and out of this, do they have your mobile phones?

They have 4 mobile phones

and an iPad

and a Macbook they have a Macbook and 4 mobile phones out of which I am a citizen of the UAE not a citizen, I am a resident I have a golden visa of 10 years I have a residence card Emirates ID

So

Basically when I go to UAE I don't go as a tourist I go as a resident I am not a tourist counter We can keep it like this I can't drive there

on a temporary driving license I have to get their MRT driving license if I want to drive there That's why I can't drive in Dubai because I can't drive on the international driving permit Anyways

because I had a lot of travel to and fro I had also got a number printed Now on my phone there was no space for a third SIM more than two SIMs I had two SIMs in Pakistan I had put one in my phone and one in my hand.

And we had another phone which only had Dubai SIM cards. And it had nothing else. Not even an application installed. So, as you know, the Android phone, Samsung S24 Ultra, doesn't have a Gmail account logged in. The only function of that phone is to get the OTP on this phone. Or when we are out of country and we need the UEE number,

then it should be in this phone. They also know that there is nothing in that phone. They have also put that in the recovery memory as well. And they have presented that phone after 10 days, I don't know how many days, in the court when they had already recovered it from us on day 1. This was one phone and another phone was broken. I had made a vlog on that too, that its iPhone 16 Pro is broken and we have to get it fixed.

When we go to Pakistan to get it fixed, they ask for a lot of charges. So we thought that we are going on a trip to Malaysia, because in Malaysia, officially Apple Store exists. So, I mean, on apple. so, there is a website on apple.com so, we will get it repaired from there so, we had that phone

in that, my wife's entire phone was hers and because that phone was broken, she was using a backup phone so, this is the fourth phone so, four phones and a Macbook and Macbook was also a maxed out one. You can say that it is a high-end Macbook.

Okay, I want to hear the whole story from you. But I have a couple of questions if you allow me. Okay, you reached NCCIA. What happened after that?

When I reached the NCCIA office,, officers were already seated. My interrogation started there. What questions were asked? About application promotion. I asked them as it is without their permission.

I also remember one question in my mind that you were living a successful life You are one of the 2-3 best Youtubers in Pakistan in family vlogging and everything How did you get into the promotion of Jue? Why this shortcut?

See, first of all I tried to convince them there as well that this Binomo app is in the binary trading category. It is not in the betting category. But they were not ready to listen to me.

And he has also sponsored PSL.

When I put that in front of them, they countered that too.

But he has done this.

Yes. And the logo of these players were also there. Sir And the players had logos on them? Sir, there were billboards. Billboards? Yes. And maybe it is still there. Even after such a big matter, maybe it is still there. Wasim Akram's.

Wasim Akram's. Wasim Akram is its ambassador?

I don't know if he is the ambassador, but there is a billboard.

There is a picture of Wasimem Akburn there is his photo and you are eating the beating and his pictures are there I have asked about this and the second thing is I think this app can still be downloaded

I think it operates and I have told them that sir, open this app in that you will get integration of and jazz cash integration. Easy money and jazz cash is a Pakistani service. How are they allowing this in the application? In Pakistan, you can take money from the bank transfer and withdraw it.

So how is the banking system allowing this? It is not operating at this point At this point, the application gets downloaded But when you sign in on it, it is not working No, no, no, it is not working, but Onexpect is working Some of them have done it, some have not

They have blocked Binomo You cannot login to it They have blocked Binomo Onexpect is still operating And all these blocks are installed after my arrest before that not a single application was installed

I know you were present, so I also asked the same question from Sir Faraz Chaudhry in the NCCIA office I am surprised that you also do vlogging that there is a gambling app which you think is very bad, that is your biggest league PSL, the national league Pakistan Super League, it is a super league, so it is its sponsor

There are pictures of Waseem Akram Sahib, and everyone is using it, so why only Ducky Bhai?

We have presented these arguments in court also We have presented these arguments in court as well. We have taken screenshots of all these arguments and have presented them in the matches where the screenshots of the players were available and the sponsors were present in their uniforms. We have presented all these arguments there because PSL is also run by PCB. They get proper permission to execute these arguments and they earn a lot from these things because sir, you see that

my lawyer used to say during remand that why didn't they ban this application till now? it has been operating for 7 years in 7 years, didn't a single person realise that this application should not be operated So we ban it

Whereas Twitter was banned overnight It took 0 seconds to ban Twitter Just 1 second to ban Twitter You know about this Twitter was banned overnight When there was a Pak India war, Twitter was open day and night. This means that they have a system to ban and block any application any time of the day.

If we prove this app of UAE 2-4 times that it is of a PTI, then it will be banned.

And one more thing, when we told them that Twitter can be banned overnight, then why didn't you ban it? They would still refuse. I mean, we were thinking that... I felt like I was giving an important amount of money to a lawyer.

And this is also true. A lot of people are doing this now. Okay. Okay, they went there and argued with you. And then after that, the FIR was filed. How long after that?

After that, the FIR was filed. The time of the FIR is written as 12 in the night. Actually, they filed an FIR in the morning. They changed the time in the afternoon. But still, when my PNIL list had my name, there was no FIR. Number one.

They filed an FIR after my arrest.

This is number two. And FIR was filed after my arrest. This is number two. And they took you to the jail.

Yes, they put me in the jail.

Let's draw the map of the jail. All the rulers of Pakistan have been released from the jails by the grace of Allah. Imran Khan is in jail. Pakistan's Tariq-e-Insaf is in jail.

Nawaz Sharif is in jail. Narendra Modi, Narendra Modi, Narendra Modi, Narendra Modi, Narendra Modi, Narendra Modi, Narendra Modi, Narendra Modi, Narendra Modi, Narendra Modi, Narendra Modi, Narendra Modi, Narendra Modi, Narendra Modi, Narendra Modi, Narendra Modi, Narendra Modi, Narendra Modi, investigation agency which has educated and well-educated people and they are not criminals I have seen their jails from outside and brother Ducky has seen it from inside so what kind of jails are these?

You are absolutely right that jails are much better than the prisons whereas I used to think that I will go to a worse place than this when I was in the prison I used to think that I will go to a worse place than this When I was in the prison, I thought I would go to a worse place than this It was better than the prison It was better than the prison

And if you want to clean the jail, you would get a broom for that

Prison...

Because you are saying that you saw it, you should do what I said

There was a pile of garbage in front of it.

The cell of the prison, the door of the cell, of iron, there is a pile of garbage in front of it. We requested them to give us a dustbin. We tell a private person who has a problem, we tell him to arrange a dustbin.

Inside, there are people's tissue paper, empty bottles, the one that throws away the soap, the one that has run out of shampoo Now, there is no place for the person to sit So, there is no place for the dirt So, a person can hang a dustbin with a nail

or place it on the corner so that the person can throw away the dirt But there was no dustbin so obviously there was no other option either the trash will come in or the person will come in so the trash was kept in front of the door the entry was right in front of it

and it didn't get up for weeks or months because of which rats also came there is a funny story about rats Once, a friend of mine, Nadeem's driver Nadeem Nani's driver sent me to Nanchon There were only 2-3 people in the jail

They both went up for investigation I was alone in the jail No, there was one was there He was sleeping There were no plates So we opened the shopper of the Nanchon

I was in the shopper But I was eating A rat came in It was monsoon season So it was a place for rats A rat came in

I sat up and went to the corner I I thought I will eat the rest of the food when the mouse leaves Are you scared of the mouse? I am not scared of the mouse anymore

But before that you were scared of the mouse?

No I am not scared of the mouse, it just looks a little annoying It looks disgusting I thought if it is roaming around here I will obviously put my leg up But I am not scared of the mouse that if a rat comes, I will have a phobia Anyways, that rat came He came near me

He touched my naan chane wale With the shopper And I thought that maybe

He touched the salan as well

I said, my food is all wasted

Then I screamed at the rat And it ran away So then the food came I told everyone. I screamed at the rat and it ran away. I told everyone that this food is okay, but they said, throw it away. Rats keep coming, even while sleeping.

The person gets used to it and doesn't bother with time.

Okay.

Don't you think that when you should have shown strength, you became weak?

When I was first arrested and brought here, I forced me to write a statement Forced me Which is not a story In that statement I am the head of this application I have created websites I have done this

He wrote all these things

He wrote that he is a country manager

He wrote everything No, country manager is Today, 623 days in jail Ok The country manager has been in custody for 23 days, and the jail term is 100 days, and he still has all the devices. He couldn't prove the country manager in such a big case, he just wrote it down in a letter.

The country manager was supposed to that when Saad was on bail in the district court and the prosecutor had to argue about the investigation and findings of the country manager So his maximum finding was that Saad is the country manager of BINOMO because since BINOMO has been launched in Pakistan Saad has been promoting it since then And this information is is false by the way so he extracted this information

I might be the last influencer the last I might be the last influencer who uploaded a Bynomo video before that my contract was with him I used to work with Bynas

the question was that the moment you left they wrote to you on a paper of their own will

Yes, I will come back to that stage

Why did you sign?

Sir, what can I do there? I will not do anything They had to sign two sheets of paper I had to do that One way or another, they had to get it signed from you They wrote everything they wanted

did you read it? they didn't even let me read it I was trying to read it but they didn't let me

and later you must have read what was written

on which you were signed

no they wrote it

but later in the case it must have come

yes in the case. He came in the case. What was the matter? He had all the evidence that I am the country head. He had all the evidence that I am the country head. He had all the evidence that I am the country head. He presented all the evidence to the court. He presented all the evidence to the court.

When I went to the court first As soon as I came, I said

that they forced me to write a statement

So what should I do? The lawyer was standing next to him He also heard this and said that the statements in the court have no value

Yes, in front of the police

or in front of the investigators It has no value Whatever you have written, it doesn't matter just relax now because I had the impression that as soon as I was arrested, I was forced to write

I mean, I was forced to write so I told Roop that you put the story I told him as it is we were not having a demand contest I told him as it is, to put the story We were not having a remand contest I told him to put the story

Now, the IO who was talking in front of the judge Total false to take remand So much lies that I said, what kind of people are these? Because I had seen this thing for the first time So I said, what kind of people are these? Because I had seen this for the first time So I was like, what kind of people are these? I was like, what kind of people are these?

I was like, what kind of people are these? I was like, what kind of people are these? I told Roop not to put any story That was my mistake On my way back I told him not to put anything

Let me handle it You are a YouTuber There were three phases where you had to face some difficulties. They arrested you. You should have reached a lawyer. You didn't.

Obviously, that was the time. You got signed in NCCIE. Okay, you were alone. But after that, you didn't speak on any profession. Nor did you get a point of view. Sarfaraz Chaudhary gave a 70-80% interview.

That was the point of view.

Do you think you should have spoken now? Yes, this was my mistake. If I had told people earlier, and told them with my own mouth There are 100 people who come to visit, someone has a phone, Khufiya would have recorded my video, audio, anything and he would have quickly put it on social media

I think I should have done this, when I was out of jail During my jail time I was regretting some things, so this is one of them which I felt I should have done. But now, I think, because the kind of injustice I have seen inside, there is injustice in the investigation, and you want to fight a case on merit. For example, I want to fight a case on merit.

Initially, I was not so much that I of posting it on social media because I wanted to fight a case on merit I had read the FIR When I saw it, I thought that they have written so many lies in it I will prove it very easily But they didn't let me fight a case on merit

You know, you want to fight a case on merit All the lawyers who came to meet me Their next day got bailed the next day They said that after you get judicial, you will get bail for the next 2 days And everyone said the same to me, lawyers said the same The normal person said the same

And the people who nominated me, they also got bailed the next day because they were not influenced. Their bail was not stopped by a third person. I want to pay on merit but they are not letting me pay on merit.

What were the things you regretted going to jail? One was that you should have spoken? One was that you should have spoken

Yes, I should have spoken Even my family has social media platforms So I should have told them to upload the video But then I was also thinking that they should upload the video We will pick them up

Number 2

Number 2 is that You yourself said that you will cooperate with the institution To be honest, I should not have cooperated with such people I should have cooperated with the good people in the institution

but there were no good people there I made the biggest mistake of my life by cooperating with them because they trapped me in everything

Number 3 Number 3 is that I have made the biggest mistake of my life by doing corporate because they have trapped me in everything

Number 3

Number 3 is that Number 3, the thing I regret the most That I should have outed my family when I had the chance to fly to Arub I would have got him to fly to Malaysia He himself said that I am fine here I also said that you are fine, what is the point of going alone

because even we didn't know then But I was like, mom, dad, Arub these three he would have stayed fine, no problem, they would have seen it from the back end. But Amma, Abba and Aroob were not on the stop list,

I should have got them flown in the first day or two.

And you have no regrets about this, that it was not good that I got involved in the gambling?

This is one of the things that, I mean, I regretted this was that I was in jail for 3 months This is not the time of jail

I don't understand one thing I don't understand why you became so weak What is the reason that you are a big YouTuber and lakhs of people listen to you You are so well known No one came to help you

People have been trying, I am not saying anything wrong that no one has done anything, people have been trying Big people have tried a lot

For example, who?

Like my acquaintance, Moiz Bhai He has been in touch with my family. He got us the initial lawyer. When I called Aroob by mistake, the NGCIA office said that I can meet him. When I went upstairs, his investigation had started. I had taken his phone. So, during that time, he was the only one who was in touch with my family and he came with them. But when he saw that the environment was totally unjustified,

then he slowly got back off from that thing. Which I totally understand. I will give you another example. back off which I totally understand. video the person in FIA was a private officer he quickly told Nadeem that he is making a video and took his phone

he took his phone even though that video was not from NCCI's office that was a video from the road why did you take his phone anyways he took his phone

and told him to come inside when he was being told to come inside, I had a small talk with Nadeem, I asked him when did you come he said he was in UK, he said I came today morning, I just had a small talk he was taken inside, now when he was taken inside, he had 3 lawyers with him he was made to sit in a separate room him. They made me sit in a different room. I don't know what they were talking about in the room where they made me sit.

In the room where I was sitting, there were 3 lawyers with him. They said that they have kept his phone to ask about me. So, I said that they should have kept the phone in the car. So, let's put the phone in the car and see what happens. Anyways, a guy called me and said that he is calling me. So when I went, Aiyo and Nadeem were sitting in front of me.

As soon as I entered the room, they threw Nadeem out of the room. When they entered me, they asked me what I had come here for. I said, why did you call him? I said, sir, I didn't call him. What is he doing here? I said, he must have come to find out. He said, okay, fine, lock him up. He locked me up. The person who came to pick me up, on the way, told me that this is a scene where he will kill me. From there I got the idea that he is planning to tell Nadeem.

Anyway, I was locked up in the jail. This is what I told Nadeem in the beginning that when did you come? He told me that he came in the morning. I didn't talk to him more than this. I was locked up in the jail because I was taken for remand in the morning. I didn't sleep so I went to sleep. After an hour, after some time, Nadeem came.

He had a lawyer with him, and an I.O. He must have requested somewhere to meet me. He came out of the jail, and picked me up from the jail. A lawyer for him has made a video of that. This is a video from that time, which I am that time, I have seen this video on social media that he is out

in which his friend says that he has lost his eyes because he woke up fresh I went to the police station they had a small chat with my Nadeem then Nadeem told me not to worry, we are watching him. You will become a judicial.

I said Nadeem, listen to me. The one who is inside, I know. You come tomorrow, your lawyer should also come. He has to be remanded. I told him this small thing. He brought bir brought for us

3-4 boxes

I ate We fed the people of Abulhaat

Now see, his mobile was kept

He

He didn't file any FIR He didn't open any inquiry They put him on the spot and opened the inquiry One thing is that if he already had inquiry, then you can keep his phone he put it on the spot and opened the inquiry

he doesn't have an FIR you kept both his mobile phones after that, he left he saved his life and left for Masai he took the responsibility of his lawyers to return his mobile phone.

They are not returning his mobile phone. They are saying that Nadeem should come and take the mobile phone. Okay? Seeing this situation, the Nadeem who came to ask about my condition, he also went out of country. He saved his life. So this, I mean, as you are saying, that is not wrong, people have tried their best, but one thing is that a person is with you throughout the day, there is no such thing, genuinely. Small stories of 1-2 days are for everyone.

You felt that what kind of world is this, I will ask your brother, because he was facing this outside. After 100 days of confinement, your first vlog comes. First, I wanted to ask whose idea was this? Second, how did you think of this? Second, if I was in your place,

the reason you left and came, or the stages you left and came, If I was in your place, I would have cried the same way you have cried. I would have said that I don't deserve this treatment. But many people are saying that this was a part of the script or was it done on purpose for the video or vlog?

This propaganda has been going on from a long time. Someone has made an AI photo of me. I am sitting at the same place, zoomed out and two cameramen are standing there, one with light, one with paper, one with that. Now those who had brains, they knew that AI is generated, because in the AI photo, There is a mirror There is no wall And on the left side there is a door showing

This is the place in front of you

So

This idea was not of anyone I made it on my own 4 days before this video was made We just thought for 4 days whether we should upload this video or not

I have taken suggestions from my family They all had a mixed opinion Okay My mother was saying, don't upload it Leave it It will be gone for a month or two, people will forget it

Come back if you want to

This was what my mother was saying

Aroob said

don't put it. She said I didn't watch the video. When she paused in the middle, she said tell me what's in the video.

I didn't watch the video. Because it's a little weak. I said, these are the things. These are the things, these are the things, these are the things. So, she was saying, see what the after effects of this can be. We only had a discussion on this for 4 days.

At around 12 at through, I think, what will happen? Like, okay, we have seen a very hard time. Even after this video, if there is a hard time, we are ready for it. We decided at 12 o'clock, at 1 or 2 o'clock I put o'clock that I was uploading a video at 6 o'clock in the morning.

I published it.

Don't you feel when you cry, and those who are in jail with you tell me that you used to cry a lot in jail, especially during prayers, when you used to come from above. Is this a surrender against cruelty and cruelty? Or is it a surrender against oppression and tyrants? Or is it a surrender against oppression and tyrants?

Crying?

Look, I... Either there can be only one thing. Either I cooperate with the institution. Or I start hitting the person who is hitting me on the spot. This is what can happen, sir. Nothing else can happen.

And I can hit too. also hit, I am not weak I am very athletic even after gaining weight, you can get 50 push ups from me no problem but then either this thing will come out that Ducky has started doing hand to hand or this thing will come out that Ducky has started the hand-to-hand combat or this thing will come out that he is cooperating.

I mean, where can a person go? My question to everyone is, why are there no cameras in these institutions? You come to meet me in the Additional Director's room, there are no cameras there either. What privacy is there there? There should be a camera. There is no camera in the investigation room up there.

There is no camera in the deputy director's room. There is no camera in the kitchen. There is no camera in the forensic lab. There is no camera in the place where the FIR is done. Why is there no camera? Because there is a lot of violence going on there.

There are atrocities, money laundering. False statements are written Forced statements are written

So

Again Either the person cries That's what happened Either the person cries and says Spend time as it is Or what else can a person do?

There is nothing My request is Whoever and what else can it do? Nothing. I request all those who can work on this that these institutions should be equipped with audio cameras. No one has any privacy there. I mean, no one has to change their clothes there. That there should be no cameras here.

There are cameras in the TV lounges of our house. There are cameras in the drying room. Yes, there are no cameras in the bedroom. There is a camera in the TV lounges of our house There is a camera in the drying room Yes, it is not in the bedroom

It is not in the washroom

This is an investigation room So that tomorrow someone can say that I have this and that It should be recorded with audio There should be a video

whose direct access should be with the Prime Minister As. The Prime Minister should have direct access to the highest level ... ... when it is needed and it should be presented in the court.

I think so.

I don't know if the Prime Minister has it but ... ... there should be a recording somewhere so that ... ... it can be presented when it is needed. I have a few questions for you and then I will come to the money issue. I also want to ask how people were killed in front of you. We were told that there was a special type of roof, pipe and wires used to be used to be hit with. And Umar Adil once told me that when the ducky was telling you that

this is a very good behavior, it is kept very well, everything is getting better, so if you had picked up his shirt at that time, it would have been like a eggplant.

So has your back ever happened like this? Did you ever have a back injury? When you came, it was not at that time. You can say that it was during Umar Adil Sahib's time. Since there was no glass there, I did not see what it was like. So when Umar Adil Sahib came... You applied oil shell all the time. Yes, Umar Adil had applied polyfax and Vaseline on my back.

He must have seen it.

He must have seen it. So, it must be as he is describing. I did not see it with my own eyes. And it must have happened after the beating.

You were not allergic to it, right? Yes. Okay, these are inside. You and Aroob are fighting outside. What stages did you face?

What interesting stages, what dangerous stages and what all did you have to face? In this, when we were arrested with the information that we had received, after that, obviously there was a panic in the house. And the next day was Sunday and they presented it in court on 7 am Till then we didn't know what the matter was

There were different calls coming in, they were saying that this is such and such matter He has stolen someone's money, he has done this and that of someone

So you are getting calls that he has stolen money?

Sir, there was a rape case One person said it was a rape case So, people were making such calls So, we were in panic, we couldn't understand the issue So, the next day, Mr. Zain Qureshi told us what it was And the duty judge was present, he gave us 2 days' remand After hearing about 2 days, we were convinced that he will be in custody for two more days.

Because in our experience, it's not like one of our relatives is in custody for a day. This was completely unacceptable to us. But where is this panic for two days, and where is it for 100 days? So in the middle, it was on, many people joined in. Many people, we have filtered out ourselves. By reaching out to them.

I have heard that there were many people who contacted you for money.

Absolutely.

There were many people.

What is this?

There were many different parties in this. And they used to reach out. They used to reach out through someone. Some of them were from our circle. So, they used to send messages that this person wants to meet you. And I used to ask them what is their purpose.

They used to say that this will not be solved without money. One is general understanding. In the beginning, people used to give us suggestions. understanding they have started buying houses, cars, everything so obviously we were in that so behind that, like he is saying we don't know their motive, I somewhere, you can understand

because I had a lot of time to sit and think

so I

I also had a similar guy he said that they will do this to you, they will keep you in jail for 7 years, all your assets will be seized, your cars will be shut down, all your banks will be blocked, everything will be zeroed and you will not be able to solve the problem without paying the money. Okay, later I said, he is talking like he is sent by I.O. I said, he is talking like he is sent by I.O. Sir, later I found out that there is a call center of that girl He pays her monthly And he has committed to get his number made

So that he stays with the institution He will take the money from me and the okay will be of the guy from the call center This is the kind of people we are getting people are fighting us. So what we did was, I thought about it a little bit. I said that there are some people who only come to create panic. Their only purpose is to call and create panic. Let's suppose there is person A and person B. I am getting a call from person A that this person B is your enemy, he is also Saad's enemy and not getting involved with him will ruin your case

while I was talking to person A, I got a call from person B he told me that person A is your enemy and he is also Saad's enemy and he will ruin your case then I thought, I wrote the same message to both of them I said that neither your call nor your message came, one should filter them. Their only purpose was to create panic. They are calling and saying that they will pick up your sister-in-law. They are coming to pick up Arub tonight. They will do this to you.

They will pick up your father. They are saying such things. I said, be completely relaxed. Don't out them first. Then there were 20-25 people like this. We filtered everyone out.

So that it is easy for us. that we should not out these people first then there were 20-25 people like this we filtered everyone out we left one so that it would be easy for us for me, for Amma, for Arun it would be easy for us to stay on one page

so that was successful and we legally carried on with this like Saad has stated everything that what all happened till it became judicial You have been to a few places where he had invited big families Yes, this was the time when I was involved with Big Brother

Who is Big Brother?

You know Big Brother?

Big Brother Big Brother Big Brother, we, you know Big Brother. Big brother. Big brother. I want to tell you one thing, Big Brother is on the side. It was their bad luck

that the NCCI officers who are in jail took the name of MI and defamed the army. And I in all these cases, there are many things

that I am investigating, reaching there or meeting people. But I would like to thank the MI and the army in this matter. They have done a great job. And such a big cleanliness, this is a good cleanliness in a way, they are not empty like cleaners.

There was such a big garbage stuck, so they did a great job. And they did a great investigation. And I don't know how many people they saved from being more disgraced, naked, being violent or going to their homes and bedrooms. Who is the big brother?

This is our friend. Our friend. Now, when Saad told in his video that when I met my family in jail, I came to know that Big Brother has met my family. And after that day, for the next two months, we were on board with him for the next two months Since I was with him man to man, he contacted me When he came to us for the first time

He told me everything And I have spoken to Saad about everything So you give me all the evidence that what all you have done and all the information he has taken

Okay

Now our old experience was that every person is coming and telling us different stories So then we as a family at that moment thought that this should not be a problem But this was the only person who said that your case has nothing to do with money.

Before that, 20-25-30 people said that your case cannot be solved without money. He was the only person. So that's why we listened to him. And we gave him the information they needed with every single proof whether it was visual proof or any sort of proof and after that I also tried to cooperate with them completely

so that if I am cooperating with them, it will be easy for them as well and they also cooperated with me a lot

and the house you went to, you went to the same house?

Actually, I have been to 2 or 3 such places where people called me and said that your matter will be solved with money. And I used to go through planning. It was like, for example, I will give you an example. The friends of Saad, who are close to me, from the sisterology, they used to join us in the matters. Actually, their thing was that we did not want to put a burden on them.

Because they had to come to their house as a baby. And despite that, they used to say that if you need anything, if you have any problem, tell us. Any sort of problem. But we used to feel burdened while asking for help from someone. So we said that for now everything is ok. And there was a lot of pressure on them as well. They used to get different calls as well. That this and that will happen with you, this and that will happen with you, they will pick up, will do this. But tell me one thing, after staying here, you went to that rich family's house.

Yes.

All your accounts have been frozen. Yes. Saad's, your parents, your father's, Aroob's, Dada's also told you.

Yes. So how did you manage the expenses? The expenses were like this, our uncle was in Pakistan From whom he gave 60 lakhs So he gave us cheques and said that without any hesitation, use this thing And on top of that, expenses were spent on cash

My friend gave me his ATM card. The day it got closed, he told me to keep the card with me and use it comfortably. I returned it last week. In the matter of money, you can say that my uncle has a big role. And both are uncles. One of my uncles is Australian. He came by flying specially because my father had an operation.

And I was also in a problem problem so he came for these two reasons along with that he also my father's operation is done? yes, he has to undergo an operation we are consulting with doctors heart?

yes, heart operation I think our consultation is on Tuesday Tuesday

what threats will you be given? one, Aroob will be arrested. Second, your house and your cars, assets, physical assets,

will be frozen. NCCI will take them. And there was a threat about your father that they will arrest your father too. Yes, my father. People tell me in Dhaare

that the next raid will be on your wife and father. Arrest my father. People tell me in Dara that the next raid will be at your house and arrest your father. Yes, arrest my father. Apart from that, this was mostly. And was there any raid at your house? No, no. As such, nothing.

What I wanted to tell you about my experience was that Areeb called me. Because he keeps getting calls. From Shalaji Wad. to tell you was that Areeb called me because he kept getting calls. He called and told me that Zia, there is a person on the DHA side in Lahore who has a connection with the General. Basically, Areeb had been caught by a person there.

He gave him the impression that he is connected with generals He is connected to the very top He called Areeb and asked him for a car, iPhone and such things And he had already given him an iPhone Areeb was scared and gave him the iPhone Anyway Zia, because he was already connected to Big Brother

Zia shared the whole story that Areeb was killed by a bad guy Actually, it was like I was When Areeb told me that this is the whole matter

So, you come in the morning He sent me the location Now, I was already involved with Big Brother I told him Sir, this is the matter. And he said, go in peace.

I had already found out that there is no problem. You go. And when I reached there, I parked the car. There is a house, then there is a bungalow, then there is a palace. It was a palace. A marble palace.

So I parked the car. There was a fighting squad, like security, 3-4 people with guns. They said, keep the phone in your car. I said, okay. Then they go to the basement, there is a swimming pool and a meeting room. When I go, Areeb is also there. He came 15-20 minutes before me. So, he was with the people who have meetings

Now I had to play this role that I had to be like a goat

and you had decided that I have to listen to him completely

Yes, I had to listen to him completely Actually, he asked me how much money I had paid I said I haven't paid anything and I had already paid the money He asked me how I was expecting to solve my case I said I will get it done through a legal channel

He said you are smart that you will get it done this way You don't know what kind of case this is You don't know how far this case has gone. So then they gave this indication that this case is being filed by the authorities above. I don't know who all are being filed for this case.

So this is an instruction from them that they should keep Saad in check. These were their words. That this order has come from them that they should keep Saad in check. So I said, Sir, okay, I will discuss with my family and let you know. And I made a pathetic face. When I left, they didn't tell me their name. They didn't tell me their name and I didn't ask them. Because I didn't want to show that I was inquiring about him.

What do I have to do with his name? I didn't ask him to introduce me to him. Because he said that you don't have to say this anywhere. If you say this, it will be a problem for you as well. It will be a big problem for me personally. So I said, okay, I won't tell you. Now when I was leaving, I had bought two of their cars. I quickly remembered their car number.

When I got out of the car, I called them and said, before the rest of the details, note down the car number first, then I will tell you later. So after that, they did the work from his end and told that these people whom you have gone to meet They have no connection with any institution from far. They have this business. You can understand how they have built such a big palace.

Then I understood how their palace was closed. There were such people. And this was one incident. Sometimes they used to contact me on calls. That you come here, come here, come here. But slowly I started avoiding them. I said that I don't want to meet anyone now.

Now I have started understanding things. The person came to one page. And it was that the matter was within two months after connecting with Big Brother was that there was no room for mistakes So we reduced our conversations with other people

We said things by mistake We did zero, I even told him to out everyone Zia often comes to me and says that your friend has sent a message with a good intention I said thank you, thank you He said he wants to help you

I said thank you so much Just give him a hat like this No need to mention anyone right now Let it happen When I used to go to the court, they used to bring Saad every 2 weeks When he used to get his food and then he had to get his handcuffs

so I used to come because I had to communicate a few things so I used to meet Saad for 5 minutes and my talk was always short with Saad when we had to go to visit the jail, we had 20 minutes time that time when we meet on the phone first I used to sit and talk for 2-3 minutes.

And then weekly, there is a call on PCO, which comes on mobile. There are landlines connected, but we never talked about these things. We just talked about the situation, what is going on, how is Baba, how is Mama, and how is Roop, all this is discussed in a relaxed manner. There was never any discussion about any internal matter.

But I have heard that your I.O.O. Shoaib Riaz tried to trap you in money laundering and terror financing.

There was a nomination in it. So basically four pages are ready. So he said that he will give four more papers. Now he is not saying that he will give four more papers.

And how long will he keep them inside?

I don't know. He didn't say how long he will keep them inside. He just said that he will give four more papers. When he took 30 lakhs from us for judicial. After that he didn't say anything like that we will be bailed out

You were also scolded for making a Victory sign

Yes

Why?

Do you know the history of Victory sign? I would like to say that if someone gets a video from any other angle The day I was at Rehman There was a reporter, a journalist who was making a video He came to me and waved at me

I just rebacked him I didn't raise my hand or I didn't yell at him I just did this because he was doing this If he would have done this to me, I would have done this to him If he would have done this to me, I would have done this to him

So he did this to me, so I did this to him That's it. You can see my expression in that I am not even smiling like that

Okay

There was a camera, so I did this That's it If anyone has a video of this, please send it to me.

And when you reached NCCIA, what did they say?

They just came and went to ask why I made this victory sign. I explained the story to them as it is, but they didn't listen. They just scolded me.

In your FIR of Aroob, it is mentioned that Assistant Director and your IAO Shoaib Riaz took 60 lakhs to release Aroob Jutoy You have told the story but what would they have done if you had not given 60 lakhs? Would they have filed a case against him?

They would have filed a case against him and they had also threatened him that they will arrest him They had also threatened him because he had arrest him if he fails to pay the bail. They said that the bail is of no use to them. They also threatened to file a case on Aroop as well if not this. So all these things he had already told us. Because I was not letting him lift the case, he was not getting a single inch of financial benefit from me, which I had decided from day 1 when I was arrested.

Every type of person came to me and said, give money, save your life, give whatever you are asking for. I had decided that I will not give them a single penny They will remember that we were humiliated behind the Taki brother We did not get a single rupee But then they came behind the family The family got scared

The family joined their hands in front of me and said, do whatever you want I said, I don't have any money You people can see from wherever you can get money I don't have any money

Then my uncle came

Did they threaten the family?

They used to make sure that when NCCIA used to go to meet Saad They used to make an environment where they used to keep Saad present And they used to keep Aroob and Mama in front Because this is a weak point the women of the house, Saad's wife is in front of him and they are threatening his wife

so Saad will also panic, he will definitely panic they make sure that the people who are talking to Aroob they are in front of me so that he also listens they took advantage of this and when we used to sit in the car

we used to panic a lot panic as in we used to worry that we also have a burden of responsibility that because of one wrong action of ours, Saad could be in trouble and that we should not get involved in our own matters

Has it ever happened that you said that we should shift Arooq from home and not arrest him?

I only told him that you should go out of the country. Or else go to Islamabad or else go to Karachi. She didn't go.

She said no, I am here.

Once Saad came to court in his remand case. Saad said to me that after this case you have to get Roop out of the city. I thought for a minute and said that this is the same part of the plan that keeps pressurizing Saad. That we will do this to your family, we will do this to you, we will do that. I said no, just relax.

There is no one who will do anything to me. You gave Rs. 60 lakh to Roop Jutoy, you gave 60 lakhs. Usman took the money, who is a friend of Sadur Rehman and Shoaib. Is he your friend too? Yes.

What does he do?

He works in e-commerce. Okay. And Salman Aziz, who is a frontman of Shoaib Riaz's frontman. To get you judicial, he took another 30 lakh cheques through Shahbaz, frontman of Shoaib Riaz and with the accused lawyer Chaudhry Usman, for the case of Bamsaaz Bazkar. He took cheques from Kot Abdul Malik Motorway Tool Plaza, Shekhupura.

And he collected the cheques in the presence of Zia-ur-Rehman-Abdullah's presence in August 2025. Then the distribution of the bribe amount in this FIR was such that Shoaib Riaz kept 50 lakhs to a friend of Zawar Ahmed, Deputy Director, in a friend's car zone showroom. 5 lakhs to Usman Aziz, 5 lakhs to Chaudhary Usman, 20 lakh Shoaib Riaz, 5 lakh frontman and 5 lakh additional director Sir Faraz Chaudhary, he took very little money, the accused means from your brother's account, so this 3 lakh 26 thousand 420 dollars, transferred the $100,000 to their own account. They are still there.

Because all these officers have been arrested they are in safe custody now. I don't have them but they are in safe custody. Meaning through the court I will get them back.

Have you ever thought in your life that such moments can come?

Not at all.

If you say that in the last 3-4 months if you say that even 1% of this could have happened

then that 1% has never come to our mind.

Not even for you?

No, never.

That day when Saad came I am jokingly saying that the one outside is also jailed. I mean the one outside is also jailed. But obviously, what Saad went through, I will never forget. I say that you come inside, I will bring the barge. Whatever I don't want, I will never want.

Whatever is outside No, it is true that outside I know that the faces with whom my family comes to meet or the faces with whom she goes to the additional director room

or comes, I know that

You stayed in the prison for 23 days Yes

What was the routine from morning to evening? Man, time was not there, it was passing by. The prison was very slow. And when they felt like, they would take me up for investigation. And one interesting thing, I have not told you this. Sometimes I would sleep, they would wake me up and take me up.

Because one of their officers who was going to leave, Sometimes I used to sleep and they used to wake me up and take me upstairs because a relative of one of their officers came to take a selfie. This has also been happening. They have been making shoutout videos to me. They have been making videos for their families. The relatives of these officers.

For example, there is an I.O. There is a news spread on social media. So, all the relatives of the people who watch watch my videos they will ask him to meet them he will say yes, come and meet he will come and make my videos and take shoutout

he used to give shoutout to his channel sometimes he asks for shoutout sometimes he says wish me a birthday sometimes he says that send a message to my friend

a good one. So this also kept happening during my custody. During my custody and these officers themselves used to say that yes, make a video with him.

You used to read Fajr and then you used to sleep and...

I used to sleep after Fajr.

What was the routine of eating and drinking?

We had to distribute food. We did not have all the stuff, because I said this in Yasir's podcast that in the prisons, I am not talking about the jail, we come to the jail, before that, I haven't gone to jail yet, I am in the prison, because I will clear this because when I said this in Yasir Shami's podcast, people assumed that I am making this clear because when I talked about this on Yasir Shammi's podcast, people assumed that I was talking about jail, I am not talking about jail, I am talking about prison I had a stomach ache, in prison you can order food from home

Because the other people who order food, they used to order something like a curry or something like him, which I didn't like So I used to share my food with him I used to tell Zia specially that You have to send me a sandwich for Subway 2 in the morning and 2 in the evening He used to say, ok, he had taken a loan to send it At that time, everyone's accounts were blocked

Now, he used to send me But I didn't get it there I didn't even know who sent it I used to wait for the morning to come But I didn't get it there. I didn't even know who sent it. I was waiting for it to be morning or evening. My sandwich didn't come. It was night and my sandwich didn't come.

There was a guard there. He was from NCCIA.

He often...

Even if I requested him for a cup of tea, he would agree. I would tell him that I have to make an important he asked me to do something important He called me immediately I used to use him as an excuse to get information about medicine He used to call me on that excuse I abused him when I called him

I said, you are making me hungry What kind of a person are you? He said, what happened? I said, you asked a very bad person. What kind of a person are you? He said, what happened? I said, you asked me to order a sandwich. He started abusing me. He said, you are mad.

You have been sent in the morning and evening. I have received the food panda paper. I said, really? How is this possible? Later I realized that he is a very bad person. He sent me 4 sandwiches. that it has been received I thought how is this possible? Later I realized that it was sent upstairs

all four sandwiches were sent upstairs I sent it again in the night I thought to send it again but I had to send it after office hours it came around 1 pm 11 or 12 pm

I got that one

All the people went home

After the office was closed you have to make sure that no one is in the lock-up. Otherwise, they go to the police station. Similarly, there was another inmate with us. There were three boys. They were all arrested in the same cell.

So, they asked me at night,

will you eat Sajji? I said, yes, if you come, we will eat He said, we have ordered 4 boxes, 3 for you and 1 for us I said okay Around 7-8 at night, they took me up for an investigation So, they took me up for an investigation

They were interrogating meated, my phone was being checked When I had to leave, there was a small kitchen on the left side of the corridor A person had come to meet me in the kitchen to make a shoutout video So I made a video for him Now when I was going to the office, there was an officer, a private person and a person who came to meet him. On the way, he said, eat Sajji. I said, no no, no problem, I have eaten. Now I went down, it was 8, 9, 10, 11, the boys were waiting for the food, but the food is not here yet

12, the food is not here yet

I said, your food is not here yet I said, wait a second I was upstairs You ordered 4 boxes, they didn't tell me

I said earlier that we order 3, they didn't tell me that we are ordering 4 boxes

I said, you didn order 3 boxes. They didn't tell me that we are ordering 4 boxes.

I said, were there 4 boxes? He said, yes. I said, they ate them. I also got an offer. He said, no. Then he took the guard's call and confirmed with his brother that he had ordered from his brother. His brother said, yes, I had sent it. I said, I had sent it in the evening at 7.

I said, okay, it was not in my destiny. Have some shame, you cruel people. You kept on doing injustice, you kept on taking money, you kept on harassing families, you kept on eating the food that came from outside. I think your hell will be filled with the soil of graves.

Now, like the jail...

Okay, now after 23 days of a big crisis, you were very happy that you are free from here, I am going to jail, there was a new fear.

There was fear, because for me it was that I am going to jail and I don't know what will happen.

There was fear.

I have heard that they search you by removing all your clothes.

They search a lot.

And they take off your clothes.

They don't take off your clothes, but they hit you in one place, hair, even your hair, your mouth They don't just open your mouth and say, okay, close it They put your lips on top, in the middle of your teeth, your tongue, left and right, in your nose, in your ears They make sure that there is no mistake

And how did you feel when you were being put in jail?

I was scared that someone would say something I had to be beaten up even once in jail Even once No one beat me up in a joke In jail, for 2.5 months

I was there

No one beat me up You have told us in your vlog that as soon as you left You took off your shirt and took a water bottle with you

It was very difficult to sleep on day 1 For 3 days I was...

And you were left alone?

This was a big punishment for me, they locked me up alone. Why? I used to request them. The in-charge there used to say that this is for your benefit, a lot of people know you, it can cause you harm, but how could I explain to them that I have no enemies here, let me roam I was in a secured premises

And you used to open the door?

I used to open the door of the chakki, in the morning and in the evening I was not in the jail where the rest of the people live I was in another place called security ward C It is a secured premises, it is as big as a drawing room There is a place where there is grass And in front of it there are 4 bars Bars are like cells

I requested them to let me roam outside They said no let me go out. They said, no, I have forbidden you. They said, it is good for you. People are eager to close the security board. I said, I don't have any problem. You can put me in drugs, I want a person to talk to.

Because we used to get stuck in the middle of the night. From that time till 6 in the morning, somewhere around 6 in the morning, after the dawn, when the light comes, that was the most difficult time of my life. When your chakki is open during the day, then you can have a light chat with the chakki next to you but that night time, you can say that there is a small space of 6 tiles and you can just think by looking at the wall

you didn't read any books or anything? I used to read the newspaper of the person next to me I used to read their newspaper during the day and read the newspaper of the person next to me during the night and I used to read the newspapers at night and I used to read the newspapers so slowly on purpose that time just passed and I used to read the news that I didn't even mean. We had a fireplace in the security ward. We used to light the firewood and we used to heat the tea and made it. Did you ever feel that your life is over?

Because I had heard a lot of news and the additional director had told me that he will stop the bail till the High Court This was in my mind I told myself that I should not tell anyone and let them do something When we met, he told me that We were going to the family He told me that he had made up his mind for a year The way I was sent, I did not know what would happen if I did not pay

We had not paid after the judicial process So in my mind, I was only giving a year But I think that from his aspect, it is okay that if he made a year, then you would have taken 3 months less Make a year so that before that, you are told that it is okay There was a moment when I was bailed out on High Court. Honourable Justice Farooq Haider was bailed out.

When the lawyers and Zia went to him on the day of bail, I think it was 17th, whatever date it was.

On the 5th.

A file was placed in front of him. I think the judge went two or four pages ahead and said that he is not listening.

There was a news that he had apologized.

Yes, he had apologized for not being able to hear the case for some reasons and I panicked I tried my best A person was being bailed out There was a traffic jam He was being bailed out the next day He got bailed He was in jail for a day and then he was going to leave I told him to do me a favor

I wrote everything down on a paper I wrote Zia's number I told him to send her photo to my brother He agreed She had reached him

What was written in it? I told him to send her to Big Brother I was in such a panic I wrote such a long letter I told him to send Big Brother as well. I was in such a panic that I wrote him a long letter asking him to send Big Brother. I asked him what had happened, what had happened, what had happened,

has anyone stopped or bailed him, has anyone done anything. I asked him to come and meet me tomorrow, to do whatever he wants and meet me tomorrow.

He came. He actually came. he came to meet me tomorrow, he came to meet me as he pleased

he came, he actually came I told him, it's fine, stop panicking sometimes the highlighted cases, it happens

he said, no one did anything to your bail, relax. I have made sure that no one is trying to mess with you and your bail. The way you can do whatever you want with your merit, whatever you want with your merit, no one influences that. You can do whatever you want with your merit, no one influences that. He it done on merit no one influences it he says I have made sure

so

he says in highlighted cases sometimes it happens sometimes judge only judge can tell what was the reason but

when he told me sometimes judge does not want to be in the news Sometimes the judge doesn't want his name to be in a podcast Or sometimes the judge doesn't want the case of social media where everyone has to make videos about the case to be mentioned again and again Sometimes the judge doesn't want it and sometimes he says that he should not be held responsible for this So this is very normal, you don't have to panic

And if someone has influenced your bail, if we assume that someone has influenced your bail So this judge has done you a huge favour, he did not say that I will remove his bail He said that you can take it from someone else He said that he has done you a huge favour, you should take it positively, nothing of that sort happened And he was right

Have you ever had a moment in your life as a family that you are in deep trouble?

It is not that I am in deep trouble, but I think My family, Saad's family, we all, we have made this hope out of the way that if we had not been in this thing that this is a long term thing, then it would have been shown in our actions. And it was there that it it takes time, no problem. When Justice Farooq Ahmed refused to listen, then my opinion was that you should relax for a week or two. It's okay, no problem. Because I know of some cases of my friends,

and they are not of this nature but despite that they are so long so I have in mind that court cases are very long

The day you were bailed, you were in jail

I was in jail Who told you the news? The in-charge was there He came and gave me the news The news was on TV There was no TV there

My counting had shifted to one place I shifted from security ward to another place

For some reason

In security ward I think there was a TV on one wheel There were only 4-5 channels Not more than that Not even one of them There were 2 news channels

2 dramas 1 sports

That's it

There was no other channel I have never seen a drama in my life I used to say that even if there is no TV, it is the same thing So the new ward where I was shifted there no one had a TV

if you want to install it, you can but no one had it so there when I got bail this news came on TV

there an in-charge saw it he came and told me How did you feel? I was crying I hugged him I hugged him

I think I was still like this for a minute

So

The blood that was flowing in my body The blood was frozen For 3 months and just one the feeling that you can't express with your mouth

until you experience it yourself, that's one of the feelings

And when you came out of jail, who came to pick you up?

My brother came to pick me up When I came to pick up my brother So... When I came out of the jail My brother sat me in the car He was quiet and so was I As soon as the door closed, he didn't say anything

straight forward I was sitting like this As soon as we came out of the gate we looked at each other and we shouted in the car As soon as we came out of the gate We looked at each other We screamed in the car

like, bro, what happened? What happened? Until we reached the main road we made sure that we really left Until then it was like a dream We made sure only when we

were on the main road

How was the traffic?

It was very weird

When we reached Thokar, because the road was not like this When the canal road was there So when the canal road came, he asked me what place is this I said I am taking you home Because he had not seen that road for 3 days He asked what bridge is this, what place is this

I had forgotten a map to a great extent

And he gave me a phone He asked me which bridge is this and which place is this I had forgotten a map and

he gave me a phone which he said it is a backup phone for now, for conversation, use this phone I could not use the phone I unlocked it and said I cannot type

I sent everyone the same note and I could not type and Instagram I couldn't type So I sent everyone the same note I couldn't type And Instagram This was an account that I had logged in I opened it It felt very weird Even though I am that kind of a person who can't live without a phone for a minute

And those 3 months, 100 days that I was there 100 days total During that time, I didn't have to take any electronic device I had to use all the electronic devices except for the NCCI. And when you reached home? My mother was standing outside the house, in the garage. She didn't say anything, she was crying, she was hugging her. She was standing there, for 5 minutes.

She was just standing there, hugging her. She was standing there, she didn't say anything. She was standing there, she was standing there. Then I went inside, I didn't say anything They were standing there Then I went inside and met everyone Aroob and Mama were standing outside I told them not to come out of the jail

Otherwise they also wanted to come Then I went inside Abba ji was somewhere to pray It was Maghrib time He was there to pray Then I

told my family My my family was emotional, they were crying, my father was not there, he was coming after praying, I told my family that my father will come and say that Saad has not been bailed, he will put a shulker like this. Then my evil mind, I hid in a room, as soon as he came, he said that he is not Saad's brother, he is this and that He got worried and I said that he is already a part of their heart, I will break it and meet him These are some moments like this, we didn't make any video of it

We didn't vlog it, it was a moment of just me and my family I didn't have any idea that okay, I know that I have to get out of jail and I have to get views I said no, this is my moment and no one else's Yes, I can get something out of CCD footage

How was the first night? After 100 days of sleeping at home

The first thing that my mother asked me What will you eat? Just by hearing what I would eat, just by hearing what I would eat, I was in a zone where I had an option of what I would eat. I could tell her what I would eat. So, just hearing these words,

I spent 100 days thinking passed for this too.

These are Saad and Rehman Ducky brothers. And believe me, those feelings, those emotions, those feelings that Zia has seen in these 100 days, which Ducky has experienced, which the family has experienced, there are many things that cannot be told. There are many things, there are many critical moments,

and in between there is a very interesting filmy story, that cannot be told. But this is another story of cruelty of NCCIA. And I am surprised that the notice of the Chief Justice has been terminated. The Supreme Court has already been terminated, but the notice of the Chief Justice has been terminated. The Supreme Court has already been appointed but the notice of the Chief Justice has been terminated.

But the NCCIA, even if it is a sub-inspector, inspector, assistant director, grade 15, 16, 17, can arrest me in the presence of the state and can keep me in that dirty prison for three months. 3 months, in which animals cannot be kept. If you look at the outside world, where cats and dogs are kept, they also have water here, a place to sit, it is hot, it is cold, etc.

This is as it is, the people who were with me, they asked asked me how was your childhood. I said that my animal of sacrifice was in a better place than that. As it is, I said the same thing to him. I said, you understand further. I mean, he can do anything, he is still in a better place than that.

And I think we are middle class people, Saad, me, Zia.

And our fault is that why do we become famous? I think we are middle class people, Saad, me, Zia.

And our fault is that we become famous. Why do we get money? The elite class should have money, not the middle class. And when someone goes above the middle class, we tell stories like Bill Gates was a truck driver, or Bill Gates was a dropout in school, or a black man,

he made so much progress. Here, progress is a crime,, or a dropout school, or a college, and so many other things. Here, progress is a crime, happiness is a crime. That's why you get screams and screams, which make you feel like you've been dragged. Like Zia, Roop, family, Dr. Umar Adil, I'll tell you more stories like this.

This is one NC Pakistan, the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, in which you can find Islam, find democracy, find purity. Thank you very much for listening to me. I will be back in a few days. I will be back in a few days. I will be back in a few days.

I will be back in a few days. Pakistan, Islamic Republic of Pakistan, in which we can find Islam, find the Republic, find the purity. Thank you very much, it was a pleasure meeting you. find the purity. Thank you very much, it was a pleasure meeting you.

Thank you so much for your time.