#88 - ÀLEX ROCA: DE "MONSTRUO" A LEYENDA | Humano Inquebrantable en Roca Project

The psychologist always told me, draw your family. I drew my parents, my brother, and then I drew a monster. Because he saw me as a monster.

Damn, man, 15 minutes of the show and you make me cry.

Alex, how many times did they tell you that you couldn't be? They told me, you won't be able to live was told, you won't be able to live. Then, you won't be able to walk. You won't be able to have a partner. But I love the word no. Because I say, no my balls.

This man is the first person with a 76% physical disability to run a marathon.

I forget my disability.

You are an ambassador of the Barcelona Football Club, right? Can you imagine if you were the first club in the world with a president with a disability? Alex is coming up.

This is my dream. Many people, for sure, criticize, don't understand why we are together. Because I have a disability, and she doesn't.

But they don't know the life that we have together. Of course we want to be parents. I've never said that, but it's the truth. I hope soon. Do you think I would be a good father?

You're ask me?

Yes, I do.

I think there is a word that you can say. And I think right now is the time. If you can and you want. I wonder to what extent what they have sold us about human limits is true or not. To this day Today I think it's a lie. I check it when I meet people who have been able to defeat two devastating phrases of the rest, they are and they can.

Despite being labelled as people with disabilities, unfairly seen as humans with defects, they have shown that they are capable of doing not only the ordinary, but also the extraordinary. Their lives are living proof that the lack of external validation has nothing to do when internal validation, self-love and will are made of iron. Iron. Which shows that the disability and limitation is not really in the body and mind of these people,

but in those who look without understanding, but judging hard. And these people have something to bring us, they have a learning for our lives. That's why today and now in Roca Project I have with me Alex Roca and Mari Carma. They form a perfect tandem, I would say, very special. I wanted to bring them for a long think you'll be impressed because it's not just two people who have achieved amazing things, but they have achieved them thanks to an unbreakable heart.

Welcome.

First of all, it's an honour for me to be here because I'm a big fan of yours. I see you a lot. First of all, it's an honour for me to be here. Because I'm a big fan of yours. I see you a lot.

But above all, I like the person you are and your heart. I thank you infinitely. Really. And to tell you that it's reciprocal. You know I wrote to you before starting the project.

That's the reason why I'm here. I like people who trust me from the first moment. I couldn't come here at that moment. I'm sorry. We are here with great enthusiasm and with the desire to open up like never before. And open my heart to you.

Well, I think it's wonderful. This is your home, Alex, and it's your home, Mari Carma, too. I'll also ask you some questions. Less, but also. Let me give a warning to the viewers, to those of you who are listening to us,

you'll notice that I'm talking to two people, but you're only only hear one. This is because Alex has a brain paralysis that affects 76% of his body. A physical disability. And Alex cannot speak in the conventional way. But we have here his translator of the day to day, who is also his wife. Then you will hear the voice of Mari

Karma, who sometimes was Mari Karma, speaking in the name of Mari Karma, and sometimes the voice of Mari Karma, which will be the voice of Álex, okay? This should be clear. And I also encourage you to watch this episode, in addition to listening to it. Two things. I know that you sign way, a bit in your own way, you will explain it to me now. And I know that you translate. And I also know that sometimes you censor.

Of course.

Sometimes Alex wants to say whatever he wants. Here I ask you not to do it. Alex, if she censors, you make me see it in some way, man. I don't know, you fuck me up or something. This is not going anywhere. She is cheating, okay? This is not going anywhere. He's cheating. We're going to talk about a lot of interesting things.

This is the dynamic we'll have. I'll ask Alex and you'll interpret how Alex signs to get him to the audience.

Okay?

Perfect. Fantastic.

Wonderful. First question. Who is Alex Roca really?

Alex Roca is a person, just like you... ...who is here to try to change the world. I don't like it when the world... ...asks me who I am and who I am. And they want me to tell them I'm a motivated person... ...who fights to achieve his dreams,

as if I were not a person who could fight like anyone else. I am a person like everyone in this society, who has a condition in this case, but who wants to fight like anyone else, and in this case to change the world of disability. To show that you're not less, but you're not more either.

I think that as a child I wanted to prove... ...that I didn't have self-esteem. But now I don't want to prove it. I want to do what I like, what motivates me... ...and because I like living and being here. I look for things in my life that I like...

...and that make me that, at the same time, somehow... ...make me happy, but above all, also help the world... ...to see that all people can do what we like... ...but we never listen to others. They can negativise us. They can overprotect us. We have to find people who trust us... ...to make this a better world.

The show could end here. You've said, man,

is to stop and digest.

Well,

are you getting it?

I think I am, but it's hard.

And...

I see that nowadays, in social media... Well, what I'm about to say is really scary. If I were 14 years old now...

and I had the self-esteem I had at the time... ...and had social media... ...I wouldn't know how my life would be... ...and how I would manage the present. Because when I was 14, I didn't have social media close by. Now, all the boys and girls and people...

...are seen on TikTok, Instagram, on social media...

...as people with perfect bodies... ...with inexplicably ideal lives...

...with perfect cars, with ideal homes...

...and everything they see is sometimes a lie.

So I don't know if I'm managing to not change

my perception a bit. It's because through my social media I try to show that we all have bad days, that we all cry, that we all fight and fight with our partner. But nothing happens.

Because life is all about this. Going up, going down, going up, going down to the limit. We're not always okay. And fights are part of our life and our reality. But we have to fight even more because this society must change.

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Totally. But it's very hard for me to say things and sometimes say that I'm wrong. Because I don't like to worry others. But I've had difficult moments and I have had to ask for help many times. I am currently going to the psychologist and I am lucky, I have found a girl,

a psychologist who speaks sign language. Before, I had an iPad, I communicated for an hour with the iPad. And the truth is... ...that you're lucky to be able to go to the psychologist and talk. I didn't have that. I was always writing.

I had an hour that was short. I'm lucky to have a girl who speaks sign language. It's amazing.

I think what you say is amazing. How important is gratitude? Yesterday I uploaded a video to my social media... ...talking about gratitude for small things. In the video I said, when you have a bad day... ...stop for a second to appreciate the things you have by default, that you can lose at any time, and that, therefore, because you have normalized them,

it seems that they have lost value. You have forgotten that you have something so valuable. For example, speaking.

To what extent do you have to focus your gratitude on what you can do. I think it's very important to focus on the little things, because sometimes we go so fast that we forget the little things. I always say a phrase, that if they took away everything you had, what would you be? Everyone should look at what they have. And above all, tell themselves every morning that they are lucky to live.

Because life lasts... ...about 90 years. More or less. ...at most, 90 years old. And it happens so fast. And you have to squeeze life to the limit. And you can't say how bad you feel.

Of course I could say, I can't speak. But I can speak sign language. I have to look at my present and move forward. Where I want to go. To get to this point, how much have you had to validate yourself internally? To see good things in you? Puff, a lot.

I've worked a lot. But thanks to my family, thanks to my friends, thanks to the psychologists and psychologists, it's been very difficult. Because, imagine,

you go to a school for a year and you don't go, a school for a year, you swim, you have a special education, and you see all the people who are like you, in quotation marks, with disabilities. But the following year you join an ordinary school, like most people go to. Everyone runs, everyone runs, everyone talks.

And you realize that you are not like them. That you are different. And it's hard. But luckily, in my school, it was an incredible school, where all the teachers... ...taught and educated and explained... ...my condition, my reality. And that's the key.

Giving information to the youngest. Because if you go out and tell your son or daughter... ...not to look... ...your son will see that what he sees is different and he can't see it. But if you explain to your son or daughter or someone close to you... ...why he speaks sign language, why he has salivation...

...he will understand what he has in front of him. And he won't look at it in a strange way.

Of course.

Learn to look and see the value of the difference. I have gone to the psychologist for many years, but I remember one thing that the psychologist always told me. Draw your family. I drew my parents,

my brother,

and then I drew a monster.

Because I saw myself as a monster. But, as time went by,

I grew up.

Thanks to the love of my parents and my family,

I realized that I wasn't a monster. I was a different person, but I could help my family a lot too.

Damn, man, 15 minutes of the show and you make me cry. It's crazy, man. Many times the one who sees monsters is because the monster is him. And this is when the one who looks at you and sees that, you probably saw what others saw, right? Injustly.

If they treat you that way, you might end up loving them, but it's a lie. I see a wonderful person. When did you realize you were a wonderful person, Alex?

Not long ago. Not long ago. I don't know.

It hasn't been long. It hasn't been long.

But I think that all my life I've seen myself very different. And now I also see that I'm different. But I have accepted what I am. It's okay to have a brain paralysis, to wear glasses, I'm not a paralysis. I'm not wearing glasses.

I'm not thinking or acting differently. Because you are who you are. If all people were the same, life would be. Everyone is how they are. And people learn from you, from you, from you and from you.

We have to understand this. That we are not... ...shitty robots. You said it without filter.

Because...

...right now, with artificial intelligence... ...it seems that everyone... ...has to be like a robot. But everyone has to be like a robot. But everyone has to do and be as he is and think as he wants to be.

Alex, how many times have youdid they tell you that you couldn't be?

I'm shocked. I'm shocked. Only six months ago... ...when I had a herpetic virile encephalitis... ...they told me, you told me I couldn't live. Then they told me I couldn't walk. Then they told me I couldn't communicate in sign language.

My hand didn't work. Then they told me I couldn't study. I couldn't run. I couldn't make friends. I couldn't have a partner. you can't have friends. You can't have a partner, you can't study. You can't have a job.

You can't live alone. But I love the word no. Because I say, no, my balls. But I love the word no. But when I was little, it was hard for me to be told no. Because when...

In second grade, I had a teacher... who gave me notebooks... of P5, which is now I5. And the whole class had to do what was appropriate for their age. And I had the P5 notebooks. He had to do what was right for his age.

And I had the P5 notebooks. I was quiet and alone. Well, imagine how I felt.

But my psychologist recommended me

to buy a boxing bag.

I had it at home. That's a secret, but it's not going to be a secret anymore.

I put his face on it. You're a teacher.

And I beat him up every fucking day. Because when I was a kid, it wasn't easy for me to talk and communicate. I didn't like it either. And the psychologist told me that to vent my anger, I had to give it all. That doesn't mean that no one should vent their anger by hitting.

In my case, I had to find a way because I couldn't communicate. It was very important for me to express. That's why it's so important that humans and children and people from a young age get what they have inside and the feelings we have in our hearts.

I'm going to tell you something. I'll tell you something about both. When I started working in the media world... ...the first long documentary I did for television was called Capaces. We put hidden cameras on young people, over 20 years twenties, with Down syndrome. We took them to day-to-day situations.

We hired them to go on a trip, to a hotel... ...to a VIP club. Things that everyone does to see how they reacted. It was all kinds of things. From positive discrimination to very negative discrimination. And even some normal treatment, thank God.

But the final conclusion was... ...how many things these kids will experience... ...how many things will happen to kids that they can't tell us? You were talking about the difficulty of expressing and communicating. How many things did you experience in your youth that you had to lock up...

...because you couldn't find a way to share with your closest circle? I'm going to share something I've never said. When I was about 14 years old, I liked a girl.

And I fought with her.

And one day, fighting with her, we argued.

We fought. I don't know why.

But she said something that touched me.

But I think it's something that she didn't give much importance to. But I do. She told me, you, when you're older, you're going to work as a bus driver. And then she told me, ah, no, because otherwise you're going you'll fill the whole bus with drool.

Wow. And this really changed my life. But then, you move on. You try not to think and forget what they've said.

But when I was little, I hated You keep going forward, you try not to think and forget what they've said. But when I was little, I hated birthday parties. Because with my friends, it was good, they knew my disability. I had a lot of capacity. But when I went to birthdays parties, with other people, my cousin, my brother,

they didn't know me. And all the people would say, what's wrong with him? I had to tell him everything, and it was very hard for me. And one day my brother and my mother told me that at a birthday party my mother met a woman who said, what is your child doing here?

He has eaten cookies and left all the droppings there. And my mother, it was very hard for her. Also when I went to the parks, they told my mother, this virus is transmitted or not. And that was so hard for her and for them.

But I think that we don't have to think about the past. And I shouldn't judge anyone, because I don't know how to judge anyone. I don't know everyone's life.

I see.

Maybe the woman who told my mother about the cookie... had a bad day. Or maybe she had a disease in the past... that made her say this in front of my mother. But for that, we must work this hardness with education, with team

and above all, explaining to the people we have close

what the difference is. ...the people we have close to us...

...what is the difference?

Nowadays I imagine you have to keep dealing with this kind of comments, right?

I will explain you... ...a great example. When I was 17, or 18, to be more precise... ...one day I went to a party... ...and a disco keeper told me... ...that I couldn't go in. Because... I didn't know why.

And now... I'm a bit of a pervert... but I have some visibility. Now... I'm being invited to the VIP. Why?

Why? I've only run 42 kilometres. I give talks around the world and I have a beautiful community. But I'm the same person who was at the door. Why? Why? Maybe because you have to show people who don't understand... ...that you're not the same person.

But showing people is tiring. Totally. The first day, the first year, is beautiful, cool. But then it's tiring. To have to show all day what I am. That I can drive. That I can have a partner. That I can drive, I can have a partner, I can study, I can live a fucking life alone.

But to prove it is tiring.

It has to be exhausting. It has to be exhausting.

But now I don't have to prove anything. Because I am what I am. And I do what I like. And if I don't like it... Or if you don't like it... I don't care. Don't look at me.

Human beings, since we were children,

built ourselves with external validation, with the gaze of others.

I know you know this. Because, in your case, you have lived a gaze that takes away your value, that makes you less valid than others, unfairly. That implies that surely when you look at yourself, you know that there are things that you do for yourself and others that you do to prove that you are wrong, that you have the limit, that I do not have it. How is it to work that internal balance and know if you're running to shut up or to dignify yourself? That's a good question.

Because I think... ...that sport is sometimes work. Sport for me is work sometimes, right? But I also love running. Because for me, running is a way to get all the anger out of me. And I forget about my disability.

Sometimes I think I'm going to be able to fly. And no, I can't fly. Mm-hmm. I like races because they motivate me.

Work has always been the most important thing.

The day of the race is the medal.

And people only see the medal.

Exactly. I think that... ...every day you don't have motivation. But when you lack and you fail the motivation... ...you have to think about why you do this. And take the word sacrifice... ...express it...

...and change it to, I go for motivation.

Have you found the meaning of life?

Of course. I like life very much. Because I think that life is a gift from God. Because you don't know how life was created. How did they create it? We live in a world... ...that has left us wandering around. And many people think... ...that we are huge...

...and that we are a small piece of shit. We are tiny little piece of shit. We are little grains of sand. And we shouldn't believe anything. We should feel that we are here to play, to learn, to cry, to smile, and to love.

Brutal. I wouldn't add anything else. I think you've got it. I think the meaning of life cannot be better defined. Extraordinary. Look, I think that if we had the ability to take a walk through the universe,

we would realize two things that seem contradictory but are not. That we are nothing, but we are also everything. There is something in us that has value. The life that has been given to us is a wonderful gift. And I was listening to you and I was thinking, if Alex Roca had been born like this,

as you were born, what happened to you happened to you, you were affected by that brain paralysis, but if everyone was affected by brain paralysis... ...would you live with the perception that you have a disability?

Of course not. It's the same thing, and it's very good and beautiful to say this... ...because if all the people in the world were blind... ...the world would be created... ...with the Hebrew language for visually impaired people. For example, imagine you're going to Japan. You probably don't know the language.

You'll have a hard time communicating there. This is the key to life. The world is created for normality... ...and for the stereotypes we see as normal. That's why we're here, fighting. But it's a bit difficult.

So disability is only a product of comparison. Yes, it's a vision... ...of the difference. But I think it's been created by the humans we have here. But it has changed a lot. ...the humans we have here have created it. But if you take a 30-year- or 20 years old... ...they will have a much more open and different vision and way of thinking.

So there is a change on the way, right?

I think so. But there's still work to be done. We're here, fighting.

I know someone you know, and that's Cristián Serra.

Of course. He was a great player. He played for my club, Disport. I was a great player. He played for my football club. I was a bad boy. But I learned from them... ...the three most important values we should have in life. First, teamwork. Because you can't do it alone. Second, humility.

Even if you're far away, you have to remember where you're coming from. And third, resilience. When you fall, you get stronger and learn. I always say that failure, when it's added to learning... ...becomes success. Because what is success really?

What do you think success is?

For me, success is when the night comes... ...when no one sees you, the lights are out, no one likes you, no one shares your videos, you forget about the money you have or don't have in your account. If that night you look at yourself and think, I could die and everything would be fine. Maybe you have achieved that success.

It has to do with being aligned with the purpose that each one has in their life. For me, that's it.

That's success. Whatever that purpose is. I like your answer. Each one of us must look We should all strive for success. Because it's totally relative. Everyone has a perception of success. For me, success is to be healthy...

...and above all, to smile at life and be happy.

Are you happy?

Now, yes. I've been happy for 10 years. But I have negative moments. Because, for example, if something happens to a relative, or I have a difficult time, I don't feel happy at that moment. But in general, you always have to look at the generic of yourself.

Not small moments. If you get hurt, you have a shitty time, in quotes. Where you don't have happiness and you're focused on that. But you have to look at the accumulation of your life, not just your injury... ...but the general. How is my environment? How do I feel at work?

And look at the general of what you have. Not just focus on the little that is breaking us at that moment. If you only focus on the negative, you will live without happiness and you will live badly. If you look at the small, you must look at the general, I repeat. What would you say to those people who see you right now, who are anchored in the complaint? That we all complain, that they embrace the complaint, but above all I would tell them to live. To live life. It's a gift.

Don't look at what your neighbour does or has. My friend has a better car than me. My friend has a better car than me. My friend has a job better than mine. What's the point of looking? Look at yourself. Think about what you can change.

Sorry.

It's ok.

I'm so motivated, I almost broke the microphone or the sofa. I would tell them to live. To set a goal, but to set a good environment of trust. Because they have to think, and I think too... ...that the environment is 60% of what you are. If you have a negative environment, it's not bad either. Work for yourself, but change...

...what you want to be. It chooses the right people to empower you... ...to do the things you like and to reach your goals.

I agree with you 100%. How much influence does your environment have on you? Alex, to what extent, what percentage of influence... ...does your environment have on you? Starting with her.

My environment, I think, is... I can't say a percentage, but I think it's very big. Because they help me a lot in everything. I think it's a big advantage, but I think it's very big, because they help me a lot in everything. In loving me, in trusting me, in elevating me, in thinking that I am also a a person. And above all,

I want to live life the way I want to live it. Does it really help you to make life what you want it to be?

Of course.

If not...

I think... that if they don't... help me...

to live... my life...

wouldn't make sense.

But a person...

has to take... a person has to choose a person close to them... ...who is exactly someone who is conformed to their values and vital consonance. We, for example, are very different, like everyone else, right? But we usually have a brutal tandem. Many people, for sure, criticize us because they don't understand why we are together.

Because I have a disability. And she doesn't. Visibly. Before, people used to say that I was crazy. And now they say that she's with me because I have a brand... ...or because I have followers or because I have more visibility.

But they don't know the life that we have together. The backpacks we have together... ...have no idea... ...what we are together. But people like to talk a lot. And they need to talk and give their opinion. Because if a person is 100% happy,

they don't need to speak ill of others. If a person is not happy, it's when they have to speak of the other, look at the other, compare themselves with the other. But... what do I think?

I think too many things.

They project their own shortcomings, right? Yes. How did you meet?

I... Nine years ago... I went to a school. I gave my years old. I went to a school. I was giving my second lecture. It was the first school I went to with my best friend. There was a girl there who looked at me a lot.

My friend told me that. Halfway through the lecture, my friend touched my arm... ...and said, don't you think this girl is staring at you a lot? I said no. But at night she sent me a very nice message. Later, she didn't know sign language.

We stayed. I answered through the notes block. She didn't know sign language. But little by little, being friends, until one day,

four months chopping stone, I told her. She said I should tell her. No, Alex, very briefly, no.

Tell her.

You know what? I don't like to talk. I want to talk about this and I don't like talking about myself.

I understand. More than anything, because people are very bad. I don't like to talk about it. I don't like to talk about myself.

Mostly because people are very bad. But the people who follow us are very good. I'll tell you a little bit about it. Nine years ago, Alex appeared in a class... ...where I was studying technical skills... ...in the care of people in a situation of dependency.

I remember when he entered that class with his friend. As he has told you, it was not his second paper. Two very motivated boys entered that class and he began to tell his life story. His story, which was not full of races, not full of great things,

but full of a person who had fought for being accepted, for being loved, and for being what he is, beyond what he does. When I left that class,

although his classmate, half was half-past, said that I was looking at him a lot, it wasn't like that. I consider myself a very attentive person, I listened to him with all the attention in the world. I was not usually a person who would go down, down in the courtyard, in quotation marks,

but I was the typical one who stayed to review, because I have always been quite perfectionist in everything. I didn't work in the backyard, but in the atypical one, where I had to go over everything, because I've always been quite perfectionist in everything. But one day I went down. I went down because I looked at Alex and I was fascinated by his way of seeing life.

And at night, I sent him a message where I said, Hi Alex, look, I want to tell you that your way of living has impacted me a lot, me. I've had very complicated things in my life. And your way of seeing life has made me reflect a lot. Just after I finished my paper, I wrote to my mother and I told her, I've been given the most beautiful paper I've ever heard in my life.

And I stayed with him. We met at a shopping mall in Barcelona. I was very nervous, I didn't eat. He came in super nervous, late. This is common. We sat down and started talking

through this notepad that accompanied us so much at first because I didn't know sign language. And indeed, in that message what I transmitted to him is a phrase that I think has always accompanied us I told him, there are magical people in the world disguised as normal in quotation marks

hiding their special way of being but when their magic touches you there is no going back but the magic that touched me it was not the magic that touched me... ...was not the magic that many people see. And I repeat, it's not what Alex does, but what he is. And although many have called me crazy many times...

...if the world knew how it made me feel... ...it would understand everything. The problem is that we live in a world... ...where we judge too much. If you're thin, it's because you're thin. If you've gained weight, it's because you've gained it.

If you wear glasses, it's because you wear them. But they'll always judge you. The problem is that the person you have in front of you... ...is more than what he does. The only thing he does is to show the world a lot. That's why he gets tired too. But four months later, when he told me...

...look, as a friend I don't want you. I want you as someone else, as something else. I was very want you. I want you as someone else, as something else. I was very scared there.

Yes.

But as Alex has said, we have to have people close to us who can enlighten us. I approached my family, my mother in particular, and I said, Mom, I don't know what to do. And my mom said to me, If you're scared, do it with fear, but do it. And that's why we're here nine years later.

And I don't want to talk anymore. I've talked enough and too much. How much did you fall in love? How much did I fall in love? Don't ask me anymore. Well, look, I fell in love... ...at the moment I discovered...

Alex is freaking out. I fell in love with him the moment I discovered...

Alex is freaking out! The moment I discovered that the person I was dating had all the values I wanted in a partner, that he treated me in a way I had always dreamed of. And above all... ...I saw reflected in him... ...what the world had to be... ...and what I had always dreamed of in a couple.

I always say that I have had close, fortunately or unfortunately... ...to boys who have not had a heart. And they have probably had other things that Alex can't, like oral language. But the problem isn't with Alex. It's with people who don't understand sign language. Alex is different to me, because I understand sign language.

But I think I fall in love with him every day. We're together because we are off camera.

What do you like to do off camera?

I love going out to eat.

Tell me what you can tell me. There are other things that...

Well, you know you. That's number one.

I'm sure he does, too.

Many people think... ...that I can't make love.

Really? But they think that because they tell you.

Others tell me. we find out. But I can. His face tells the truth. And now he's not going to tell you more things he likes because he's stuck with this. I really like going out for a walk, going to the movies,

especially going out the movies. And I'm going to eat out.

Do people stop you on the street?

Luckily, and thank God, yes.

Luckily, yes. I thought you were going to say, luckily, no. I mean, they stop you, but for good. To congratulate you, to congratulate you, to take a picture with you, right? To say good things to you, I guess.

Luckily, no one... ...at least to my face, I don't know if there is someone behind me, but face to face... ...everyone says nice things to me, everyone tells me nice things like thank you. Or things that I love. For example, at that moment I realize that I'm doing something right. Because they tell me, thanks for watching your videos ...I've changed something in my life.

And that makes me realize and it impacts me. And I feel that I'm doing something good. I want to work more on myself and give more of myself to the world.

I think you have a gift to impact. I think the first video I saw of yours was a race. Probably many years ago, and I thought, this is awesome. This is awesome, because I probably saw the video shortly after I broke my meniscus. And I was complaining about my broken meniscus, because it hurts a lot,

and when I run it hurts me, no? Then I came to precisely that motto of Cristián Serra, if I can, you can too. I saw Alex Roca running that way, look ability has enabled me. I think that empowerment you get transcends barriers. You not only enable people with disabilities like you, but you go much further.

Wow! I think you've just shocked me. I want to tell you something. Last year... I want to tell you something. Last year... I was in hospital for a whole month... ...for a kidney infection. It was right in the corner. That's where I was going to run.

And...

...in the hospital... ...I saw people running in the corner. And I thought, wow! I saw people running diagonally in the hospital. I thought, wow. Before, I didn't look up at the hospital when I ran. I wasn't aware of the luck I had to be on the street.

We have to stop and reflect more and value everything we have in life. And there is one more thing I want to say. I have felt judged in many things when it comes to wanting to break prejudices. I want to give you some examples. Years ago, we went to a school and told them... ...that we wanted to give a lecture. They asked us what we could contribute to our students.

We also asked companies and they they said the same thing. But now, in some of the schools... ...that told us no before... ...they've knocked on our doors again. That's why I think we should give opportunities to everyone and not doubt. For me, one of the things I enjoy the most in the world is giving lectures. Because before, I could never imagine

being able to openly explain my life. I was ashamed.

And now they pay you, right?

On the other hand, right now it's the highest value of what I have in me.

You see.

And you know something? Secret? It's no's a secret. It's not a secret anymore. Three years ago...

Ah!

A talk that made him very excited. He gave a talk for the Barcelona Football Club squad.

Oh my God, what a topic we have touched here, right?

The male. Ah! ...of the Barcelona Football Club. Wow, what a topic we have touched on here, right? The male. It was a negative time for them. I wrote to a person close to the club and I said... ...I think I can reverse the situation. I agree. And when the press conference was over,

the team told me, now you have to come to the game against Bayern at that time. And I went and it was very cool. And the coolest thing of all was afterwards. Afterwards the best part was afterwards.

...a month later, I got a call from Mr Miguel Ángel Gil.

...who was a member of FC Barcelona at the time, told me that your presentation was incredible. I called Barça, we contacted FC Barcelona, because the talk was for Atlético de Madrid. Damn! I called and asked them if I could go. And Mr. Joan Laporta said... ...that I should help my rival and show respect. We went to give a speech at Atletico Madrid.

I remember Cholo crying. I thought, wow, he's so strong. Cholo is a tough, strong person. He was crying. It made me very emotional. My legs were shaking.

I think you have the ability to be emotional.

If you do it with Cholo, you can do it with many, right? And then Cholo said to the door, thanks for letting Alex come.

You are an ambassador of the Barcelona Football Club Foundation, right?

Exactly. I don't know if you know this. It's the only club with a foundation in the world... ...the only foundation in the world... ...with an ambassador with a disability.

This is Mesca, a club. Can you imagine if it was the first club in the world with a president with a disability? Oh my God, I'm getting up. Alex is coming up.

This is my dream. I don't see myself in the board, eh? Not even translating or interpreting. No one with disabilities has ever been president of a sports club. I'd love to.

Not even the government.

But I think you need a lot of money. Money for what? To be president. You need people to support you.

We spoke to José Elías, who came to the show.

I saw him and I liked him a lot. Really. I think he's the president, right? Because... It has to be very hard. I think...

...being in the spotlight... ...and football is... ...a space where there's a fan of all of them. And football is... It's a space where there's a lot of criticism. And you have to be very brave. I don't know if I could. I admire a lot...

all the coaches, the staff and the people involved. They have aare under pressure. And Alex has an indescribable relationship... ...with one of the people we love the most in history.

Who?

Joan Laporte.

I saw you in a video with him recently.

He's done so many beautiful things for us. I met Laporta... ...because I'm a big fan of football, of Barça. And... ...when he won the first presidential election. I think it was around 2004.

I had the usual coupons to buy a backpack... ...from a newspaper. From Sport, right? I went to the kiosk and suddenly I see the door.

Damn.

And I said, I pinched him and I said, I love football and Barça. For Alex this is football and Barça, it's the same. Okay, okay.

And sometimes you don't know what to translate.

Yes, football and Barça, the same for Barça and football. I think many people agreed.

My team, Cule, who is here, has come to the top.

Cule is at the top. Just at the door, he said to me... Marrec, because I call him Marrec. Do you want to go to watch Barça tomorrow? I said, of course.

You're the one asking, right?

Yes.

I gave you my number and you wrote to me.

Look at that.

And since then, I've had an impeccable relationship.

That's great. I don't think anyone would give their number to anyone.

He even came to our wedding. He came to your wedding? He got off the plane from the tour of America and came straight to our wedding. Wow, what a guy. But in difficult times we have had, we wrote to him and in five minutes he called us. In moments of lessons, in incredible moments. He is, very good person. I don't understand. Not only are you able to see things, but you can't see them.

I get angry. For example, everyone thinks... ...that it's like on TV, right? Because you have to face criticism, it's a very hard job. But they only see how you face a very complicated reality. Everyone does it the way they can. But they don't know their life and what it has beyond.

Nor how it is as a person. And their heart... ...has a beautiful heart. Just like all the people in the newspapers... ...who are criticised, or on television... ...or actors and actresses...

...or influencers who don't know their lives 100%. We must talk and get to know people better. And then we can judge. You'll be 100%. We must speak and get to know people more. And then we can judge.

Do you think that the fact that you've lived your years knowing that some people look at you without appreciating the beauty in you has given you the ability to appreciate more the beauty in others?

I think... ...that I really like to listen... ...and learn. I like to listen more... ...than to speak, in quotes. Because... ...I really like to listen...

...because when you give someone the power to speak and listen... ...you learn to see how that person really is. Maybe you see someone... ...and they tell you that in the first ten seconds... ...you see a prejudice that can be negative. But when you stop and go through the 13 seconds...

...you see its reality.

How many stop to see you for more than 13 seconds?

Very few now. And it's upsetting. Because it's very obvious... ...that, fortunately or unfortunately... ...in today's society, in Spain... ...or in Catalonia, or any other country.

He means that when he's in places where he's more known...

But when I go to a faraway country, like Africa, for example, or somewhere where no one knows me, I remember Alex a lot, from when I was little.

Of course.

Because I realize again that it's not that the world has changed, but that what has changed is that perhaps my life is more visible and they know about me.

Sure. You have changed in the way you face the world too, right?

You know... What do I always tell her? No, no, tell me. A boy in a hotel in Africa, a faraway place where we were, a cook told her,

Are you a couple? I said yes. And he said, I don't understand. What happened is that you were eating in a restaurant that cooked in front of you. And yes, a person who was working there asked me if we were a couple. And one of the things we thought about was... ...if we were going to ask all our clients if they were a couple or not.

When we said yes, he said, I don't understand anything. And he asked us more in a polite way and we told him. But his colleagues started talking and left.

Really? Because they didn't understand?

Sure. And it's not bad. We talked about it with Alex. The good thing about asking is that you learn. You reflect and you lack a lot of education in values, diversity... ...and in many aspects of society. But the hard part is that they ask if you're a couple or not. The couple next door... They didn't ask him if you're a couple or not. The couple next door...

They didn't ask him if he was a couple. They asked me and him. Like in hotels, they always separate our beds. They always separate your beds? Because they think we're not a couple. That we're cousins. They say we look alike. You look alike? They say we look alike. You look alike?

we try to forget about the one who has given us a bad comment, the one who has wanted to hurt us. One of the comments that hurt me the most a long time ago was that Alex was told, you are more of a cuckold than your disability percentage. 76.

At that moment, I felt that the world didn't understand me. Alex laughed his head off and I cried a lot. And he said, Alex, don't you realize, love, that what we have, even if they don't understand it, you and I, looking at each other and joining our hands, we have it all. And that's when you sometimes have to take refuge, right?

In your house. And forgive me, a question. Do you like... Or would you like to see what's coming next? Ah! A documentary about my life?

If I would like to see a documentary about your life, I would love to.

It seems that it's going to happen.

Why?

Because I don't think society is interested.

So, you were going to make a documentary about your life, but something or someone has stopped you because they think there's no interest in knowing the life of a person with a disability.

No, I don't want to talk about this. All I'm say is that opportunities don't arise because I think that the morbid is what interests right now.

Yes.

And maybe they don't like to know a life of of a fight that is mine. But I'll tell you one thing, each person has their own struggles and their own things. But I will tell you that I'm seeing that it doesn't interest me to tell a story like mine.

Well, you can tell it independently. You tell it without depending on anyone. You'll see how much interest there is.

But it's hard. It makes me angry. Because on television I watch and I see a lot of documentaries, which I admire a lot, of course.

But many try to show the morbid part of each person's reality.

That's true.

I think we should start showing the values of everyone. I'm not saying that a person who shows morbidity has no values. But we should focus on documentaries and television... ...to show society... ...the struggle of each one.

That's why the internet is slowly becoming a television. You're no longer subject to editorial lines... ...or to paid advertisers. You're free to say what you want, how you want it. That's the beauty of it.

But the other day we were talking about virality. ...to tell what you want, how you want it. And that's the key.

But the other day we were talking about virality. How you can post a simple video with a title that hasn't been worked on... ...and it blows up. But if you post a video that you've thought about... ...that you want to send a message... ...and it doesn't work. But the combination of the two is so important... ...so you never lose your essence. We talked about it a lot.

Remember when we talked about fashion? Yes, I've seen you in some pictures of people parading. A bit weird, I have to say. I don't know if I'd wear it, but I've seen you in a lot of fashion shows. I'm fighting to the end. And sometimes I can't. I want to be a model.

And to go on a fashion show. With a brand that trusts me. But I would like to do it showing everything I am, even in underwear.

Let's do one thing. Let's take advantage of the fact that many people are watching us. and from here we challenge clothing brands to see if any of them have the courage to give Alex Roca the chance to be himself on a runway with his way of moving, his way of walking, his saliva that sometimes hangs on his clothes that is part of him and is not a problem with his way of looking at the world, of understanding it... ...being who you are and not who you don't have to be.

It would be wonderful if a brand contacted us or you.

Do you know why I would like to take a walk... ...and take off my clothes at a fashion show? Because I didn't like my body. And now I think it's very important, even for myself, to take off my clothes. Like, I am like this.

And I am wonderful. Like I am. ...wonderful.

How I am. That's great, man.

You know, because all the people in this society look at how their bodies are. We compare ourselves. But I think that all bodies...

...are worth a lot.

And we don't have to focus so much on how we are physically in the clothes we wear, but on what we are and how I am. I wish I could go out one day I can go on a parade. Because for a long time now... I've been fighting. I want to parade in Milan, New York, Madrid... to break the stigmas and the canons that exist in society. I think I'm breaking the world of sports a little bit.

But there are so many fragments of that society that need to be broken. And I think that the world... ...of beauty... ...is one of the most difficult worlds to break and enter.

Totally. If you want to do something, you should contact someone who can break the mould.

I wanted to give you a surprise.

Hello, hello. Hello, hello.

Hello, how are you, my friend?

How are you, my friend? How are you? Look, I'm going to show you who I have here with me. Let's see if you can see him. Man, my friend, how are you? Look, I'm going to show you who I have here with me. Let's see if you see him.

Man, my friend, how are you?

How are you? How handsome, right? We have here Arnoque with us. What a surprise, right? To have you here.

Thank you very much. The truth is that, first, Alex, you are pure inspiration, really. You are pure inspiration. At least, you helped me a lot to be able to value what it is to be able to help so many, so many people. You are a real passion. You are a phenomenon out of the ordinary.

There are no others like you, really. There are no others like you.

And there is no change, really.

If one day, maybe I find a woman who can, I hope she is as wonderful as you are. You are wonderful. You are wonderful. I have no words. You are wonderful.

You know I love you with all my heart.

I love you with all my heart. I love you too.

What can I say about my colleague, Carlos Roca? Wait, he's going to talk about the other Roca. Tell me, tell me.

Well, nothing, man.

You're a phenomenon.

You're something totally out of the ordinary, like Alex. And the Rock Project is amazing, what you have written.

And thank you for everything, for helping me with the proposals. Thank you for trusting me. I love you a lot, you know that. Likewise, uncle. Look, this is not prepared, but I want to say one thing, and that is... Positive attitude, always!

There you are, my friend! There you are!

We send you a big kiss, to you and to the whole family.

A hug!

We love you! Kisses, you are the best!

A hug!

Thank you, Roque, thank you. You are so sweet.

You are welcome, really, my friend.

He's a magical person. He has a light, a desire to eat the world,

and I admire him very much. He has a wonderful family. I met him because he came to see a lecture in Valencia and when it finished, we talked and it had a huge impact on me. And then, when I ran in Valencia, in the middle of the marathon... ...we ran together, you ran together in the last metres.

I got to know her family in depth, and she's beautiful.

Very helpful, always willing to help.

They're great.

They're very intelligent. We spend the whole weekend together. I love them.

I want to tell you something. I met Roque a few months ago at a prize-giving event. They gave me a Dona II prize. The Kiki Osborne Foundation. And they also gave Roque a prize. It was great because we could meet again and play.

When the gala was over, we had a little chat. We were at the Mafre Foundation. There were huge stairs. The walkway was too long. We had to go down seven or eight steps. Roque's father, who was like a bull, said, this is no problem. He grabbed Roque like he was grabbing a bag of potatoes.

He carried him on his back and he went down. It was quite impressive. How many things has your family done for you? Many things.

My family... ...is the biggest pillar... ...I've had in my life. They've been with me since I was a child. And the truth is that for six years, every day I had to go to the physiotherapist

in San Juan de Dios, in the hospital. And my mom and my dad and everyone else, accompanying me and leaving many times aside things from their work, from his friends, and sacrificing his life so that I could live mine. And many times, I don't say it to them, but now, today, I want to say thank you.

Because I'm not one to say thank you sometimes. But I think it's time to say it. And one thing...

My mom...

It was hard for her because...

My mom was very focused on me.

My dad too, of course. But my mom would accompany me to the physiotherapist when I was little. And then she would come home and my brother would tell her, no, not now, go to the hospital with Alex. And my mom had a really hard time. Because my brother...

Of course, at first he didn't know how to handle my situation. And he would look at my mom, who was with me every day.

But then, my brother, as he grew up,

understood reality.

And my brother, for me, is everything.

It reminds me a little of you. Yes, I understand. I think I'm learning your language. Yes, to me and my brother David. Yes, I think that the brothers of people with disabilities also have our backpack, right? Because it requires giving up a part of your land. Because the person who has a disability will need a series of care,

not only from your parents, but also from you. What happens is that later that becomes much more than what you receive from that person with a disability. And this is what no one can understand. This goes a long way with what maricarma says how is it possible that you say you have the best brother in the world when your brother

has if not yet how is it possible that you can be married the best husband in the world if you have brain paralysis disability what a disaster not surely you are doing it for posture or because it looks good no it is not true the families Families with a person with a disability, many of them end up feeling like they have a gift at home. And this can only be understood if you live it. If not, no.

My brother... He's had a bad time. Because... at his birthday parties... his friends... and people would say...

What's wrong with your brother? And my brother Victor would say, what's wrong with you? He's a person. He's my brother. He's always...

helped me. A lot. Your brother is very good. Your brother is very good, just like his family. His uncle José encouraged him to ride a bike. His grandfather threw a coin at him so he could ride.

He put a towel under his arms.

He threw a coin at you so you could ride? Maybe it's because you're Catalan. ...of his arms. He threw a coin at you so you could walk.

That's so silly.

My grandfather...

...used to play a game...

...on a wall.

And each of us had to throw a coin.

And the one who got the closest to the wall, won.

They were stimulating your mobility, your fine psychomotricity. And the winner would keep both coins. And you wanted to win all the time, because you were so close.

The family of the disabled has the challenge of being able... ...to break remove barriers.

My parents have never seen me as a person with a disability.

I believe you.

Just like the others. I could also get really upset, to be honest. Because my parents... They taught me, right? And they tried to sell me as if I could live everything I wanted.

But they did it in a way, always protecting me, and that if I didn't get to have it, they were there to take me. But imagine...

if I didn't have a job. A partner. Or if I couldn't live alone. I'd feel bad. I remember at Christmas, just before we moved in together,

Alex's mother came up to me and said, thank you for loving my son. I said, no, no, thank you for loving me. Because Alex's family is wonderful. And all of his members have always been 100% there... ...so that Alex could be happy.

You can't speak in the conventional way. You can communicate, of course. You can speak. But I think there's a word that you can say. And I think that right now is the moment. If you can and you want to. You say, I know how to say mom.

But... Try it. Do you feel comfortable?

Yes?

Okay. Don't worry.

There is no rush.

It's a little cold and it's harder. Sure. More or less. Yes. He's a good boy. He's a good boy. He's a good boy. He's a good boy. He's a good boy.

He's a good boy.

He's a good boy.

He's a good boy. He's a good boy. ...is more beautiful because a person...

...only has one mother and one father.

You've said it again.

But your mother has you in nine months.

Of course. Correct.

Correct. To understand it, so be able to understand it, I, who understand people, what effort have you had to make to get your way to articulate mom?

Very strong. Because I have, I can emit sounds, but I have my tongue and mouth are paralyzed. I have to connect and relax my mind to try to make the sound with my neck.

So it requires a concentration exercise, right?

Just like eating and drinking. I have to focus. I can't eat while walking.

Quietly.

Quietly, in a safe environment, without stress, I suppose. Cut with very small scissors, I eat everything, but small. Before, I didn't like eating in front of people. I was ashamed.

And now...

Picasso, cool. We always say that sometimes he likes Picasso. I always think that your white camis are going to be worth a lot. This white woman, eating a paella and a Picasso. As always, it makes her reality more positive.

I have a person in my family who always gets dirty. And he's not my brother. It's you? brother. You are. – No, I'm not. I love that person who's watching. So you can eat quite normally. Can you swallow? Is that how you say it?

Yes. – I think so. They wanted him to eat by because of the gastric sonde. That was the first idea. But what did you do? I only know it, I didn't experience it. I told them, no. Alex usually eats with a spoon.

I told them, put the spoon back so I can swallow. They saw the truth. They wanted to put a probe in his throat. They saw... ...that his glottis was closed properly, even though he had difficulties. If it hadn't been closed properly, wouldn't have had a good time. I would have lost my appetite.

And to drink, I would have a bottle of beer at home. Very little. Or I would have a glass of Covata. I don't drink much, but when he goes out with the Flamingos, with Josep Maria or with the people from his neighborhood, my goodness. You get warm, don't you? No. Alex doesn't drink much.

Okay, okay.

I have a trick.

What are you saying?

I didn't think he would say anything else, I say, my. What are you saying? I didn't think he'd say anything else. He says he's going to have a lot of weight. I wait until he's a bit lighter. Then I can drink a bit more. I've never seen him drunk. Alex trains a lot and does a lot of sport.

He takes care of his nutrition. He says that once a year he tries to do it without harm, but with caution. Correct.

We are getting closer to the end of the program. We have been here for almost an hour and thirty something. Wonderful. You mentioned sport. I want to know... ...when you do these races...

...is this man the first person with a 76% physical disability... ...to run a marathon? If I'm wrong, correct me.

In official time.

This is the real deal. I haven't done best. I haven't done this, okay? I haven't done this. That's the best. That's not ordinary, Alex. That's extraordinary. And you've been overwhelmingly capable.

Let me tell you something. I think it's important. Now, I see... social media or on television many people running crazy and with super competitive times between them. And there are too many comparisons.

Yes. When you get home, they ask you, what time have you been doing this? No.

They ask you, have you been happy?

Yes, yes, the results. And you have to stop and think and tell yourself, are you happy doing what you've done? Yes, the motivation, right? And also, test of effort, working on the body, because You have to be motivated. And you have to work hard. You have to work your body. I see a lot of people on the ground right now.

With birds. And in sports, there are very hard parts. You have to have a vision and fear of the distances.

Correct.

And you shouldn't look at the other person. For someone, running 100 kilometres is adequate. But for you, running one kilometre is a lot. It's very important that the comparison doesn't eat you. We were talking about Michael Phelps' photography. There's a picture where two people appear.

One is Michael Phelps, who won the gold. And to his right, a competitor. Michael Phelps is focused on his goal.

And the competitor is looking at Michael Phelps.

It means that the other is more focused and is afraid of the rival. And you have to focus and look at your own goal and not look at the one next to you.

I totally agree. Do you want to know something? With the podcast, I've done it like this. Totally agree. Do you want to know something? With the podcast, I've done it like this.

Regardless of the position we are in with respect to others. And that's good. If it makes you happy to do this podcast, then do it. Yes.

For him.

Correct. Get where you can get.

And the way you want him to.

100%. When you do this sport, taking into account your condition... ...does it hurt? Does it bother you to walk with a foot like yours?

The foot of the future. When I finish, it hurts a bit, of course. But I have a physiotherapist since I was a child. I have a lot of spasticity. Spasticity and stiffness... ...hurt me. Physio helps me relax.

You can't stop that kind of rehabilitation for the rest of your life, right?

For example, if I don't go to the physiotherapist during the vacation month, wow, how I notice it.

Because I have a lot of pastilles.

And currently I have...

I didn't have everything I have now.

And before, it was harder.

Can I say something? You can say whatever you want.

When I was little, I really liked Ronaldinho.

Me too.

Because he always smiled. And Ronaldinho...

It's true.

...was Nike. And I thought, wow, Nike is incredible. And almost seven years ago, six years, I was really, really, really good at coloring with Nike. And now, six years ago, I'm with Nike. And soon it will be ten, because he's scheduled for 10.

And Nike is one of the first that helped me, but apart from that he bet on me, on a person with cerebral paralysis. And I think I'm the only person in the world, well, I'm the only person with cerebral paralysis in Nike. And that makes me very happy. I just want to say thank you.

Alex always tries to remember those who supported him.

I understand. Before we go to the closing questions, I want to ask you something. I've tried to talk to you as normally as possible. I think that's what we should do. I suspect that it's not always like that.

That many people should talk to you and infantilize you... ...because they don't know how to communicate with you... ...or don't understand what's going on in your head.

Is that so?

Thank you very much for asking. Many times... ...they talk to her...

...so that she can tell me.. So they don't look at you.

Or they tell her, tell him this.

If I'm in front of you, tell me.

Or they yell at me in the streets. They say, hello, how are you? I'm very happy to meet you. It makes me angry, but at the same time it's misinformation. But that's why we're here, to say it. And I think it's very important...

I think it's very important to treat people equally, not to overprotect them.

And if you, if that person in front of you doesn't understand you, you're going to change your reaction. But you always regret acting in an equal way and not for treating him differently. I like very much all the people who act with me just like with anyone else. And if I need help,

I ask for it.

I have several friends, and I really like it when they treat me like everyone else. Alex is not an easy guy to be friends with. But you lived through those small worlds, didn't you? My friends... are lifelong friends.

And new friends. Of course. And since you're exposed to the internet, you need to understand...

But some of them, not at all. There's...

I'd like you to talk to him like you would to anyone else. But I'd like to answer you through the notes and show you. Perfect. With keywords. And I'd show you. And you could talk to him, but without limits. I understand.

With the same treatment, the same as on the phone.

Well, on WhatsApp. I understand. It's the same contract, just like on the phone.

Well, on WhatsApp. Just like you'd talk on WhatsApp, I'd answer you like I'm sending a message. What I understand you can't do, if you don't have an intermediary, is a phone call, right? Well, more or less. I have a trick.

Let's see, how do you do it?

It would be, look, I'm at home, okay? And he's at home, in case I were a friend. Alex, I say, hello. Alex, do you want to go to the movies?

No.

Alex, do you want to go to the party with me, with the flamingos, your friends? Well, it would be like a closed answer, yes, a sound, no, two. You have to simplify the question so that the answer can also be simple. That it is always yes or no, I do not know.

A sound yes, two no, or I don't know. OK.

One sound yes, two no, three I don't know.

Perfect. You're a survivor, you realize that?

I've been like this for 35 years. If I didn't look for tricks, what would I do?

Sure. If I don't see any tricks, what would I do? Of course.

But I always say one thing. I am very lucky to have been born, in quotation marks, at six months old. To be born in a world where technology is evolving. If I had been born when my grandparents were born...

Yes, that's right.

...I would have been very lucky. Alex would have bought technology for himself, or the doctor. I tell him, you set the limit. The bed, the dishwasher, he's a fool.

He's not in his right mind.

He lacks a bit of wittiness.

Is she the boss?

She's my boss. Didn't you know that?

Damn.

Before coming here?

Yes, she's a bit straight.

The boss in everything. And she's good. Except for TV. No, football.

An open question for both of you. I'm adding, I said I'd take the other two, but this is a... Take Hidaka, take Hidaka. When you have children, if you want to have them... ...what will you do first as parents? How do you imagine that life?

That's a dream.

Yes.

I didn't want to have children before. I thought that a child doesn't have to help his father, but the father has to help his child. But right now I think I can help my son or daughter, and I would give him a lot of love.

I want to be a father who lets him do things, who lets him fall, but that he or she, or the person,

knows, in some way,

that their father will always be with them.

If he or she only needs... I mean, if he or she needs something, he can just click his fingers and be there. It's a very current issue. We talk a lot about it. We have a lot of pressure from our families.

Especially my father.

But we know that we want to be parents. I hope we can do it soon. Alex has been pushing me for a while now, but I needed a moment to say yes. The first thing I would do... ...when I see my son or daughter... ...and I mean it from the bottom of my heart.

I think that in front of their eyes, they have the best father in the world. And I don't say it to look good, I say it from the bottom of my heart. I know that Alex has doubted this many times. He even told me about it, because at home we try to communicate a lot, speak from the heart and analyze our reality a lot, because we live in a world where it is scary to have a child.

For me, of course I am afraidof how he'll learn sign language... ...how he'll communicate with me... ...but it's very important... ...to give him love... ...and be with him or her... ...and that he knows...

...that his dad speaks sign language... ...which is different, in quotes, but which gives him all the love. Now we have a puppy.

I've seen it somewhere.

I think it's been a test. Is it a sausage? No, it's a tincher. It's adopted. It's four years old. We've had it for a month. We're all in supportive of adoption. And...

Sometimes Alex gets frustrated. Because I call him Coco, come! And Alex does this. And it's harder for him. And sometimes he looks at me and says, let me do it. And sometimes, it's not the same, I know,

but I feel, look, when I'm a mom, I'll have to leave these spaces so that he doesn't feel this frustration. Sure, sure. Because I want him to feel it, right? Because there are many people in the world, and sometimes if they are a couple,

because some people communicate differently, we can live in circumstances where. But I think that as parents, and we've talked about this... ...it's important to divide the work. But above all, we should both feel equal. Like parents, with different qualities, but with equal possibilities. Do you think I'd be a good father?

You're asking me?

Yes, I am.

And you?

You would be a good father, a good brother, a good friend. Yes, yes, even a good partner.

Not because I don't like guys, but if I had to choose one... You wouldn't choose as a partner. You would. He says, but in this case I wouldn't choose you as... He says, not at all, I respect everyone, but I don't like men.

That's what I say, man. I have no doubt that you would be a great father. It's just enough to listen to you. I'm fascinated. I'm listening to you and the truth is that I learn. I did this podcast first to learn. I always think I have the opportunity to learn here on the couch.

First me, then my team that is here close, then those who see us. Objective accomplished. I can learn, I can fill my life with experiences that go in the backpack of other people. And that helps you see the world with a different perspective, to understand a little more. We are approaching the end, and when we are approaching the end,

there are two questions I always ask. The first is, how do you expect the certainty of death, Alex?

Death... I think it's natural, that we're all going to die. But I think... that death... you have to embrace it, not be afraid of it. You don't know where it's really going.

You don't know what's beyond. But above all, you have to look to the present, give it your all and squeeze to the max. Do whatever you want, because when you die, you can't go back. Correct. You have to go full throttle now, break everything, and also look at your life as if it were a play. From the outside.

And think, do I like what I am and what I am doing? If you don't like it, change it.

But above all, be yourself. I know myself. You're a speaker. Every time you open your mouth, you give a speech. It's amazing, man. You're tremendous. I'm fascinated. Do you think that on the other side, if there's something, there's some way, do you have an idea?

What do you believe in?

I believe a God a lot. Because he gives me strength. But I don't go to church. I respect everyone. But God has helped me to focus. I talk to him every night.

But I think there's something there. I don't know what it is, but I think that hopefully... we'll be there and he and be with my grandparents.

I hope so. And I hope I can go with my grandparents.

And a lot of fun up there.

Do you think there won't be will be no disability?

I wish. I would love to be up there, all naked, without thinking about anything... ...and doing everything without prejudice. Just like little children. Little children don't have prejudices. Later, when they grow up, society educates them to have prejudices. When they grow up, society will educate them to have prejudices.

Yes, that's right.

I hope that up there... ...everyone has a child's mind. And everyone is naïve. But maybe up there everyone has a disability. Because throughout life we all acquire disabilities. And when you're about to die, that's when people understand more

what it's like to have a disability.

And how would you like to be remembered when you're no longer there? When you're there, naked, in your ball shoes,

in that sky,

naked, running around like a child.

I would like to be remembered as a smiling person who gave it all. And who was happy. Who gave it all to her friends and family with a lot of love. And who changed her mind a little bit.

Prejudices and current society, a little bit of change, just a little bit. A grain of sand, because we need a lot of grains of sand... ...to change the world. But I intend to be one of them.

I hope.

Let our audience say it. If you are one, even though I know what they'll say.

I think this interview will change lives.

I hope so, and let me also tell you about my method of communication. I don't speak any sign language, neither Catalan nor Spanish. Because, first of all, Alex has a hand that can't move. And I also went to a special education school where I was taught. But then I joined an ordinary school. Many of my friends... ...don't speak sign language. They communicate with the alphabet, ABCD.

They've invented symbols. It's a mix of everything. The hand doesn't move, it just moves. And since it's a regular school, he's forgotten a lot of symbols. Many of his friends don't understand the new ones... ...and he tries to teach them the alphabet.

In our case, we've been together for 24 hours. I think we have a tunnel that connects us. And sometimes, what Alex Alex just speaks the word... ...and I add the articles and finish the word. So that anyone can hear it. A person who speaks Catalan or Spanish is fast.

But Alex has to build it as best he can. And social media wants to be immediate. And sometimes, we can edit the videos as best we can... ...in such a way that... ...with small messages, you can convey a message from the heart.

That makes sense. You need a bit of patience. A bit little time. In a society where there is no time. What is the sign you have for Roca Project?

Like between R and brother. Because... Like we were brothers.

How nice.

Because we are both rock, right?

How nice, man.

Let's see if we have any family ties.

There aren't many in Spain, huh? I had a lot of family in Rivas de Fraser.

Well, mine comes from Murcia, but...

But... Yes. Well, mine comes from Murcia, but...

My other part of the family, Campillo, also had family in Murcia. Yes?

Damn, that's great. Then we have to talk, to see if, pulling the thread, there's something there that unites us. By the way, I have a gift for you.

I know, I know. I'm going to ask you now.

Will you tell me what it is? Okay. First, I want to tell you that I have brought you the most wonderful and giant gift that exists in the world. Please.

And it's in here. A gold ingot, Alex?

Look, you're going to see something, okay? Okay. It's gold. We got a de oro Alex Valet just a mente Perdona just a mentor. Oh, yeah, I said no sabian. I Tienes que cogerlo pero es de oro Vale You take it like this and open it. Okay. The arrow indicates how to open it.

Okay.

And you have the best gift in the world in here. I turn it, right?

Not up, but you have to turn it.

Towards the side.

And look at it.

It's a mirror.

It says, you can always. And below it says, what is the best gift?

You are you.

Thank you, Alex. I want you to know that I think... ...that the biggest gift in life... ...is us.

That's great.

And not everything we can have. Alex has two more things for you. They're a combination of what he likes to give away. He wrote you a letter.

Ok, ok, ok.

With his wonderful letter, which is wonderful. From a doctor. Because you write, Alex? Alex writes. Wow. It's a bit difficult, but he does.

That's why technology helps him so much. In school he did it with the computer. You have a better handwriting than me. But today he has managed to write with his handwriting. Great. I hope life will make me as beautiful gifts as today.

Share my life with people as wonderful as you. Thank you very much, my friend. Thank you very much. I receive it with great gratitude.

And to finish...

Good photo, eh? Good photo. And to finish, Alex has brought you an image of our mini-family. Mini-pincher, you told me, right? Something like that?

How good are the animals. They don't discriminate.

They don't. Taking a photo of them...

That's good. Thank you for coming. It's been a privilege to have you here. I'm sure it was for the people here too. This is your home. My home, regardless of the set, is your home too. You have me as a friend for whatever you need.

I'd love it if you closed the programme. Together, in that tandem you're forming, say something to the camera. To the people who see you. Whatever you want. I don't mind.

First of all to see you. Whatever you want, I'm happy to see you different. First of all, thank you. I've felt very comfortable, just like being at home. Thank you for the trust, and for being you.

You're welcome.

And I want to send a message to the people, to the world. I would tell you not to look at the person next to you. Look at yourselves and tell yourselves that you are lucky to live. That life is a gift. That you must squeeze it to the fullest and give it all of you. Don't sit on the couch asking yourself why.

Why me? Why me? You are a gift from God. And you are here for a reason. Look for what you want and makes you happy. A good team, don't listen to negativity. And you can. Fuck you. You're a team, you don't listen to negativity.

And you can do it.

Fuck yeah. Bravo, bravo.

Thank you guys.

You're amazing, on the outside and on the inside.

Thank you. Thank you. See you next week.

And thank you too. And thank you too.

Thank you.