Asesino en la CÁRCEL NOS confiesa sus CRÍMENES: Restos de dos jóvenes en Alcantarilla lo delataron

The next story is incredible. It can be a coincidence or it can also be a matter of spirituality, and how the organs of a woman who has been killed by life are calling out for them to find they may find the culprits. And this is the story to put them in context. On August 19, 2022, Karen Canelo, 21 years old, and her friend Elizabeth Giraldo, 17,

disappeared, left their home in Yumbo, here in the Valle del Cauca. They disappeared. The next day, on August 20, in a community of Siloé, far from Yumbo, the community called the public service company in Cali to have a sewer maintenance done because the rainy season was coming and that sewer was always clogged. They came to do the inspection and even though a lot of water was passing through, they found human remains and also a woman's blouse. And thanks to what was found in that sewer, the Cali police managed to capture two culprits, Michael Lennis, 21 years old, and his father, Germán

Evelio Ñañez. And well, later we will have Michael Lennis. How did you get them out? How did you get them out? They didn't get out. They were dispatched through a channel.

From Ecuador. From Aguas Negras. He is in Palmira jail. He has accepted an interview with us. He is with us. Katie Garzon Canelo.

Karen's sister.

Katie, thank you for being with us. Good afternoon. Katie Garzon Canelo, Karen's sister.

Katie, thank you for being with us.

Good afternoon, thank you.

And what do these workers find in that sewage?

And why hadn't the water and the remains been taken? Rafa, in the sewer, they found body parts, including a uterus and a woman's blouse. At first they thought it was an animal that was looked more closely, they found organs that apparently belonged to a human.

And how was it that the water that passed quickly did not take away their human remains? They were left in a little part of the sewer.

But the truth is, I don't know how to explain it. Because the water from all the houses goes down there. As if they were standing there.

And there we go to the story of how it all began. And we are going to see how these remains become the elements for the authorities to reach the culprits. Otherwise it would have been quite complicated. And that's how we started with the disappearance of your sister and her friend.

What happened that day? Tell us a little.

Rafa, that August 19th, my sister is in a place where she fixes her nails. So she says, no, my friend is calling me, that we are going to this place, but I don't want to go. Ella comenta no es que me una me está llamando mi amiga que para que vamos para tal lado pero no quiero ir No tengo muchas ganas de ir pero ya pues me está insistiendo mucho cierto entonces mi hermana llega a casa se baña se organiza llega a la niña por ella que es la amiguita elizabeth y Si organizan yo vivía con mi hermanita mi mamá bueno

Entonces mi hermanita entra a mi pieza y le decía a mi hijo, el sobrino, papi arreglame esta blusa, ¿sí? Como era de amarrar atrás, entonces el niño procede a organizarle la blusa. Mi hermanita, veo con que va vestida, porque veo que va en shorts y en la blusita.

¿Una blusita era como qué?

Como un topcito, top that the girls usually wear.

What color?

The top was a color that stood out, it was like a navy blue, very pretty. My son would tie it from here and here. I see that my sister was wearing a short and shoes. They would put on makeup and she she says bye bye and they leave and from there they go out

they spend a little time when they upload a story to facebook and in the story they always put a location in the story the location says Cali

so when? if she is in Yumbo, there you can get her cedula right there. Anyway, mom connects with her, they talk, and after 4, 4 and a half,

we don't see my sister's trace again. She doesn't connect again. I must clarify that she was very active on social media. She would inform mom where she was, not exactly that she was very active on social media. She would inform her mom that she was fine.

Not exactly where she was, but that she was fine. So, from 4pm, she doesn't connect. That's the last time that she connects and uploads something to her stories. Each one to their respective Facebook. The next day, and the same last time, which is at 4pm, they are not connected, mom gets upset, Karen didn't come home, Kady didn't text me, didn't tell me where she was, I don't know, that little girl, well, I told mom, calm down mom, she must be around, she used to stay with Elizabeth when she my mom says, no, Elizabeth is talking to her and she doesn't answer me. She only gets a call from Chulo.

So, that's when the concern comes. Two or three days pass, and nothing. She doesn't connect, we don't know anything about her, and as I said, she was very active on social media. So, that's when all the alarms go off. And what do you do? We didn't know Elizabeth's family, right Rafa?

We didn't know them, so Elizabeth's sister-in-law comes to ask about her. And obviously they already left together. They don't know about her either. So, the alarms go off even more. Elizabeth's sister-in-law goes with her mother and a sister-in-law to file a complaint to the DA's office and they don't show up. They don't pay much attention. They wait

3-72 hours I think for them to disappear. My sister was an adult there and Elisabeth of We didn't find anything. They weren't here, they didn't stay here. They didn't wake up in Elizabeth's house either. So we went to the bigger places. We went to hospitals, we went to morgues, we went to legal medicine, many things. And that's when the complaint ofance complaint is made here in Cali. In Cali, they accept us, they start the photos, they start the disappearance,

they distribute it among relatives, among Facebook, social networks, so that they help us locate it. And nobody gives them any reason, nobody says anything. We only had the location that they put, which was in Cali. So, everything is very strange. Days go by and we don't know anything about them.

There is no reason for any. Until one day, my mom receives a call from legal medicine, in which they say, look, we need you to come because we need to get some tests. So mom explains to me, she says, they called me from legal medicine, daughter, and they tell me I have to go because they are going to do some tests. So I tell mom, mom, but that doesn't seem strange to you, some tests and legal medicine,

that had to happen something. but that doesn't seem strange to you? No exams, no legal medicine. Something must have happened. Legal medicine tells us that in a sewer they found parts of organs of the human body in which there was a uterus.

That was what led them to a woman and a blouse of a lady. On the other side they found some they found some lower and upper body parts of which they had already identified as Elisabeth. She had a tattoo here, in Roman numbers, and it is the same one as the lower parts that they found.

That's why when we were in legal medicine, they already had her confirmed as Elisabeth. and inferior that they found. That's why when we were in legal medicine, they already had her confirmed as Elizabeth, but not my sister. That's why they call us to get the DNA. From there, the investigators arrive from Sijin, Cali,

and they take us to give a testimony. To say what happened that day, the last time we saw them, with whom. The investigator that I met, I tell him that I can see what they found. And he tells me that it is quite strong, that I am sure, and I tell him that I want to look at the blouse. Because it was very particular, it was what I identified the most. To know if the blouse was the same as the one my sister had left the house.

So he shows me, and indeed, the blouse that my sister was carrying. Then I found out about the uterus they found in the sewer. And he told me, look, the uterus they found is from a person who already had a baby.

Yes?

And I corroborate even more that it's my sister's because my sister has a child.

How old?

At that time I was four years old. Now the child is seven years old. So I shut up, I don't say anything to my mom because my mom was very sick and was there. And I keep everything until I wait for the DNA tests. The DNA tests came out on September 19, 2022.

They come back and repeat what they found, they tell us everything, until they come to the conclusion that, look, the words came out positive. Yes, it's Karen. So, you can imagine how we all got.

And from then on, how did you find out that, thanks to this miracle,

they had found the culprits.

Some time later, the investigator calls me and says, Hi Katie, I have good news for you. So I say, yes, tell me. And he says, we captured the alleged suspects of your sister's video. He tells me, you can watch it on the channels the next day. And indeed, the next day I connected and saw the suspects. He says, watch them in case you suddenly know who they are.

And the truth is, no idea. I mean, I don't know them. I've never seen them in my life, nor have I ever seen them in my sister's life. I don't know what it's like in Cholos. Why? How? When? Where? What led them to do that? What did she do to them? When they were arrested, they were laughing. They had nothing to do with it. They were laughing, challenging the authorities, saying, I'll get away with this, they have no proof.

Before we return to Katie, we want to talk about how the police investigators caught the culprits, Michael, Lenny, 21 years old, and Germán Evelio Ñañez, Michael's father. My journalist, Sirio Ortiz, also moved to Cali and interviewed the investigators. Take a look.

Rafa, there is definitely no perfect crime. Those were some of the questions we asked the investigators. What information did you initially have about Karen and Elizabeth?

They are two teenagers who are very close friends, considering their ages. They really liked the rumba, going out, meeting people. They decided on August 19 to come to Cali. And since they were very close, they organized the exit to get to Cali. Through social media, the family was told that they saw her at the station.

The bathroom was far from my cable, my cable. They also started going to the site to verify that it it is true in the sense of video collection. Through video collection, it can be established that they were at the Myokable station, that they were picked up by a male person, they left and the two minor teenagers were hugged. They went in the direction of the tower, I haveged them. They went towards the tower. I met a sector that is called the tower.

How do you determine that Karen and Elizabeth were at the house of German and Michael?

Many people said they had not seen them, but since we already had so much presence on different dates and different times in the sector, a person approached us, which they say that, indeed, a certain citizen observed him with those two women,

which were with the same characteristics that we asked and we started to investigate. When a person tells us that in a certain house there was music and there lived some people who were consuming these two patients. We thought we could continue to investigate, but apart from that, to be able to point out the site or the people directly,

we have some evidence that is based on data. So there is a person who approaches us and tells us that he lives near where the teenagers were. And that he observed from his balcony that through the stairs that lead to where the find was, Mr. Germán was coming with the two teenagers.

They disappeared on August 19. Is it true that the community asked the aqueduct to do a review of the waterways

since it was the rainy season?

The discovery was made by the president, the head of the municipal board, who asked the entity in Cali to check the sewage. So, effectively, that day, August 20, the entity in Cali went to the sector and verified the sewage.

In the verification they carried out, when they uncovered the covers, they could see that there were parts of, at the time, the meat. Yes, meat. So, it was unknown where it came from. But in that, a it could also be illuminated a garment, a garment that was blue. One of the people who were in the sector, looking at what happened,

said that it belonged to a human body, that is, a person, that it was not an animal, because many people said that it was animal meat. And that person said no. So, from that situation, what he did was call the police, which is where the district police station is located, and that's where the decision is made, that's where the urgent data is received,

and the collection is made. The second discovery was on August 28th, which was... there were some lower parts, a leg and a hand. They were found by the teenagers. At the time, it was unknown who they belonged to.

When you started the investigation,

how well-known were Germán and Michael in the area? When we started to investigate about these two people, initially Mr. Germán was recognized, first because he was a butcher at the time, he was also very recognized because he was a recycler, he went out with those to recycle, and he was also a consumer. And young Michael was recognized because he liked to give in criminal groups that are in the upper part of the East. He was a consumer. Sometimes he was involved in many conflicts

near the sector. And all the people, even the same sector, near the people next door to the house where they live, were distant from those people because they were very conflictive people. So, in the sector, it was recognized because it was a conflictive family and a family with their ma'am.

When you made the search in the house of Germán and Michael, what did you find there?

When we entered the first floor, we could see that in one of the rooms, there was a bed that was lying down, which had a set of sheets on top of each other, and the curtain was missing. In the find on August 28, we can see that the lower and upper parts were found inside a curtain. If we go to the print that has that curtain, and to what we found in the house, that would be part of that set of sheets and sheets of that room.

Do you find any traces of blood or clothes of the young?

Indeed, in the bathroom of the first floor of the house there were traces of blood on the sofa, that no matter how much they cleaned, that remains. to ¿No escucharon gritos? No, la comunidad nunca manifestó voz de auxilio, no. Manifestaban era de que sí había música, alto volumen, y que pues eso era normal en ellos, teniendo en cuenta de que ellas eran consumidores, y a Michael le gustaba mucho hacer ese tipo de reuniones

con un grupo excepto de personas. O sea, en New Mexico no era normal que hiciera ese tipo de eventos en la casa, with a group of people. It was not normal for Michael to do this type of event in a house. That was normal for the neighbors. And that they were also feminine, it was also normal to see Michael with feminine women. Germán was also normal in that house. There was no direct aid, never.

It was never manifested.

During the investigation, did you deduce that father and son were accomplices?

It can be evidenced that Michael is the one who has the mind, the agility to do things, he can see the way of manipulation, but it can be said, we can deduce that Mr. Germán is an accomplice and that John Michael did a large part of the events. A large part of the participation is of John Michael.

What hypothesis does the police have of what happened?

We can hypothesize, taking into account that the day of the events they were at a party, drinking alcoholic beverages, consuming hallucinogenic substances. There were two men and two women. Suddenly, in the midst of the chaos, of their moment of joy, these people wanted to

get over themselves with the teenagers. They didn't agree. And there was a conflict between them. You could have been charged for that.

They catch them and take them to this trial.

And at first they said they weren not guilty. Yes, they were standing that they were not guilty, that they had been mistaken, that the police were always like that, to be able to have guilty. The months pass and in an audience, they ask Michael,

how do you declare yourself? And Michael says, guilty. I declare myself guilty. They asked this gentleman, Germán, how do you declare yourself? And he said, innocent. They proceeded to give him the sentence.

More than 50 years, right?

More than 50 years they, they give him to this boy. The father insisted that he was not guilty because he supposedly was not in the place.

Yes.

And Michael tried to help his father. What did he say?

Michael says he's going to be a witness to his father. They pass him to him and he says, my father was not there, I was there alone with my wife. lo pasan a él y dice, mi papá no estuvo, estuve solamente yo con mi esposa, que tipo una de la tarde el papá estaba trabajando y que a esa hora él ya había hecho todo.

Dijo que a la una de la tarde, pero ¿a qué hora salió tu hermana de tu casa en Yumbo?

Sí, ahí vino un falso testimonio, porque él dice que a la una de la tarde ya estaban I have a false testimony because he says that at 1pm they were already divorced and that's not true. My sister left my house at 12.30pm, 12.30pm, 12.40pm. Also, the last time my sister went to work was at 4pm and at that time she was already connected, she was alive.

So she just drowned her father instead of helping him.

Yes.

Did they know Michael and his father from before or something?

Look, I think so, Rafa, because the one who communicated with them was this Mr. Germán.

The father?

Yes, he communicated with Elisabeth. So he had contact with Elisabeth.

Did they consume anything?

I imagine that at their parties, and to carry out all that, they consumed something, yes. In their madness, in their drinks, that could lead them to that. And if they were with them, I suppose that day there was...

We are almost finishing. Because we are also going to interview Michael, the person who accepted to see the written life. What reflections does this leave you?

In the case of your sister, without judging her.

The reflection that this leaves is not to be carried away, to go on the wrong path, to have a good time. Because my sister had planned to have a good time and look at what happened. How old is her son? At this moment, he is 7 years old.

Is he living with you?

Yes, with my mom.

Does he ask you anything?

He asks and misses me, and obviously he is studying. It's just that it makes me sad. As he grows up, he's in school and he sees how the mothers are going to pick up their children. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. and that's why we are afraid of what the future holds for us.

Thank you, Katie. Thank you for your time. I'm very sorry. Many lessons from this, right? Well, we are here in the maximum security prison in Palmyra with Iom Mishael Lenis. He was sentenced to 54 years and 6 months in prison for the death of Karen Canelo, 21 years old, and Elizabeth Giraldo, 17 years old. Mishael, thank you for the interview and thank you for your time.

Okay.

How do you know them? Well, the truth is, as I explained, it was part of a job. Because we worked transporting weapons. Do you understand me? So, it was one of the things that made me move forward. And we had already done a lot of work. This was like the third trip we did.

When suddenly, that was was January 9, 2021. We were coming down with a shipment. We had the destination where we had to get to the port. We were coming down. When we were arriving in the city of Cali, they got lost With the shipment.

Them?

Yes, them.

So, the search and recovery process started. When I was sent to the city of Yumbo, they were gone. Neither her nor her friend. They had disappeared. With everything. Well, then time passed.

The days and months, until the day of the objective arrived, on August 19. They called me and gave me their location. And I had to go pick them up, telling them that we were going to do another trip. In the same way, they thought I was going to do things like that, without knowing that they had made a mistake, that they had wanted to make a living. When the order was clear,

the order was clear that they had to pay for the mistakes they had made. I met her while working. Because I worked legally, I was dedicated to carpentry. Once, that was in November of 2019, I was doing a job as a jumbo, precisely,

for the old route. I was coming to Cali when I found her on a bus. We started chatting and everything. And since she liked the easy money, the good life, we started to cross words. And since then we started to communicate, to forming a bond. That's how the relationship started.

Then we started working together.

Who are you talking about? Karen, 21 years old, or Elizabeth, 17?

Elizabeth.

So Elizabeth was the girl who was 17 years old? Yes, the youngest.

The white one. Was she the one you first had the connection with? Yes, we started the business with her.

And who did you work for?

That... It's hard to say. It's not here in Colombia. It's a foreign connection. I don't understand which one. I can't give a lot of words about the case.

And then August 19 arrived?

Yes, since 2022. Which was the call they made to me. They gave me the location.

What happened that day? Tell us.

Well, that day, it was around 8 in the morning, 9 in the morning. I had just woken up, the day was just starting when they called me. They gave me the exact location in real time, where I was. So the first thing I do is make the call to make the report. After making the report, they asked me what the objective was and in what situation I had to finish it.

I gave the case and started communicating. They ignorantly believed that things had stayed that way when they accepted another job. So I started to give them the money so they them the money to come to Cali. When they arrived in Cali, they picked them up. After they picked them up, they went to the sports unit station,

where they took the cable car to go our neighborhood, which is in Siloé. When we arrived in Siloé, we started to pick her up. When I picked her up, we went to the house where we did the handling. After we were at the house, it took two hours, because it was like 10 in the morning. At one in the afternoon, everything was legalized. It's not like they say they saw her with us, ignorantly, at 10 at night, at a party, those are lies.

Give me a second. Give me the hours of the 19th of August. What time did you see them? And were the two of them involved in the same thing, or was it one and the other not?

Both.

Tell us. Give us the times. What time do you contact them and everything that happens?

I contact them... I contact them at 10 in the morning. At 10 in the morning I made the first call. In total I made more than 30 calls. I was planning the trip from the time they left Jumbo to the time they arrived at the station. What time did they leave Jumbo? They left Jumbo, I made the consignation at around 10.40, they arrive at 11.00, I did the consignation.

In the morning?

Yes.

And from there?

They arrive at the point, they arrived, they were missing like a quarter to one. As soon as they arrive at the station, I take about 10 minutes to get off because they call me and tell me that they were already there. So I went down and picked them up. After I picked them up, we went to the house. After we were at the house, we were supposed to wait for the shipment to arrive to leave again. The shipment of weapons? Yes. And then?

Then that's when it happened. That's when I was told that they were already there. I went down and picked them up. After I picked them up, we went to the again. The loading of weapons? Yes. And then? Then that's when it all happened.

At 1.30 in the afternoon, 1.40, the homicides were already committed. At that moment, everything was over.

They come to your house?

Yes.

And what happens there? The moment they come to your house? Yes. And what happens?

The moment they come to my house, we start talking. We start talking about how we are going to do the trip. Where are we going? At one point, I ask them what happened before. The first thing they tell me is that the law had caught them. But then, as I told you, there was a report.

We scratched, nowhere did it look operational. The return was legalized. They tell me that no, I say, well, nothing happens, since I'm going back, we're going to leave with this shipment. no pasa nada, ya que va atrás, vamos a salir con este cargamento cuando entonces si me dicen que si, cuando entonces me dicen vamos a trabarnos porque consumían que consumían?

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pe... co... cuando me dicen vamos a trabarnos

que horas eran ahí más o menos?

ya eran por ahí las 1 y 40 ya en el lado cuando entonces yo le digo, dale we're going to work. What time were they there more or less? They were around 1.40 I tell him, Ale, bring the sticks to hit them. I tell him, let's buy them. I start with one, the smallest. I say, come with me, we're going to buy them. He said yes. So from the second floor we went down to the first floor, which is where I was supposed to get the money.

And at that moment, the first person was legalized. How did they legalize it? They killed her.

You killed the girl? Yes. The 17-year-old girl? Yes, the youngest. I used to have a video. I used to have a video. Si. A la chica de 17 años. Si.

A la menor.

En ese momento.

Ya iba a ser las dos de la tarde. Y de ahí que? De ahí pues paso ya a limpiar un momentico. Cuando salgo por la otra. En el momento que subo. Ya le digo a ella que no, que la amiga esta con el parcero mio. I go for the other. In the moment that I go up, I tell her that my friend is with my partner,

that he's bringing her, but that we're going. When she says yes, when I go down with her and I do the same, when I'm there, when she sees that later on, my shoes are like this, when she looks at me and asked me what happened.

I told her nothing. When I tried to take her off, she hit her feet. She fell down immediately. She came in and asked me not to do it. I I told him that it was no longer worth it. What they had done was done and there was no turning back. At 2.10 or 2.20 in the afternoon, both jobs were completed. I took the evidence, the photos, and I left for Jamundí.

Who was with you at the house? At that time I was with my wife. At that time she was my wife.

What is her name?

Michelle Chavez.

And who else was there?

No one else. There were just the two of us. She was with your daughter? Yes, she was with my princess. How old was your daughter? con nosotros dos. Ella estaba con tu hijita? Si, ella estaba con mi princesa. Que edad tenía tu hijita? Mi hija entonces tenía... seis meses.

Tenía seis meses de nacido.

Y tu pareja escuchó lo que había sucedido? o vio lo que había sucedido?

No.

No se dio cuenta. Y si disparaste como no se dio cuenta? Porque por lo mismo como nosotros manejamos todo tipo de armas, tenía en ese entonces una cordua con silenciador calibre 9 milímetros. Y de ahí que sucede? Ya pasó posteriormente meters. And from there what happens? Later I started taking photos for the evidence and I went to Jamundi to get the evidence. After I showed the photos,

they gave me the order to disappear the bodies. I stayed there until 7 at night, scouring the area. Around 8 at night I came back. And that's when I started to lose my body. How did you lose them? I was hit by a car. How did you get them out? ¿Dónde desapareciste? En el piso de la casa. ¿Cómo los sacaste?

No se sacaron, se despacharon por una canal de acueducto de aguas negras. Algunas personas hablan, vecinos tuyos, que sacaste bolsas de cemento. No, mentiras. ¿Cómo las sacaste bolsas de cemento? No, mentiras. ¿Cómo las sacaste? Mentiras, porque lo único que sacó fue lo que encontraron por los lados detrás del cementerio de Siloé,

que fueron los restos de los huesos. Eso fue lo único que salió. Y eso salió el segundo día, no salió ni el mismo día. Eso salió el segundo día. That was the only thing that came out. And that came out the second day. It didn't come out the same day.

That came out the second day. How did you get the bodies without anyone noticing if there were many, many neighbors?

I really finished around 4 in the morning. That night, nothing came out. Like I told you, the got that out the next day. In the early morning of the 21st to the 22nd.

And on the 22nd, you started to get the bodies out? No, I didn't start to get them out. They were already packed. The remains were already packed. It was a matter of the bones. And how did you get them out?

In a bag.

Just one bag? Yes.

There were two women.

But they had two bones. What really makes a human being voluminous is the skin. The mass of one. But something catches my attention. What makes a human being voluminous is the skin. The mass of one.

But something catches my attention. And that is when the researchers tell us that they found Karen's blouse in the sewer. It was on August 20th.

Yes, on August 19th the mission is done. It dawns on August 20th, at 9 in the morning, they uncover the sewer and find the residues there. But you are telling me that you started taking out the remains on the 22nd. No, no, no, I'm telling you the bones. I'm telling you the bones, because it's not skin or anything. Everything was, as I told you, by a sewer.

It's the one that's in the house, which is a box. Which is why the residue of the meat appears there. But as I tell you, the question of disappearing, that happened and it was done on the same day on August 19, the order is finished at 4 in the morning, the whole skin disappears, intestines, everything, since it is a matter of the bones, no more, which is what disappears on the 22nd, the question de los huesos no más que es lo que ya se desaparece en día 22 que ya se posteriormente se saca y se tira detrás del cementerio. ¿Cómo lo sacaste? En chispas de basura.

¿Tu papá no estaba contigo? No. Según las autor, your father was with you.

Yes.

He was not with you? No. They also point out that he was the one who communicated. When my father never used a phone, they say he had the line in his name. When he never used a phone, or never had access to that.

According to Karen's sister, whom we interviewed, when you are saying that she had already arrived at your house in Siloé, she was still in Jumbo, there is a post on Facebook where at 4pm they are still in Cali, but you are saying that at 1pm you were already taking Elizabeth's life and then Karen's. Correct. But it is seen on Facebook that at 4 in the afternoon they were alive in Cali, that they took a photo.

The last post that they sent is when they arrived at the Mido station. Because the rest I already stopped having the phones of both. That was that we also evaded their networks. We had conversations on each account. The investigators tell us the same thing. The investigators tell us that at 4pm they were alive and were in Cali.

Are you confused? No. Are you confused?

No. Are you lying?

No.

Is the weapons and the robbery an excuse you are giving to justify why you took their lives?

No.

I don't have to justify or say that I feel bad for what I've done, because the fact of the matter is that I was the one who did it. I know how it was and how it happened. Related to the law,

to what he did, it's very different.

Where was your father at that time? My father was with a friend we've known all our lives.

He had been working with him for two days.

Doing what? Making shoes for a house. He had been working with him for two days.

He was convicted for these two deaths, too. Your father?

My father is now in the union.

And they are going to dictate to him, on December 5, the justice will determine how long he will spend in jail.

Yes. Are you trying to save your father? Yes, of course.

Did he have anything to do with this?

No, he was the same as them, the charges. But he was already convicted. When you said what you said about 1pm, what you said in the trial, you were drowning your father. Because on Facebook, and there is no way to deny it,

they appeared alive in Cali.

Yes. It's true.

I can't deny that.

Mishael, you have a daughter, right?

Yes.

Alaya.

Alaya Lennis. She was showing me a little book. Yes, this little book that I always have on my side. My princess. And because of your princess, you shouldn't tell the truth.

Yes, of course.

What happened that day? Tell us, brother.

What happened?

Do it for your daughter. It's not true. That's why I accepted this. That's why I decided to do this. Because I already received several interviews that they wanted to interview me.

What really happened that day, Mishael? I've received several interview notifications that they wanted to do to me. What really happened that day, Mishael?

It's the truth.

Are you telling the truth?

Are you sure you're telling the truth? ¿Estás diciendo la verdad? ¿Estás seguro de que estás diciendo la verdad? Esto que sucedió no se hubiera descubierto si una alcantarilla no se hubiera

abierto y ahí encontraron una lucha. Y al siguiente. Sí, señor. Entonces, fuera que ahora se puede decir que es un crimen perfecto. Pero no hay crimen perfecto. Porque, pues, aunque suene ilógico,

es raro que de dos cuerpos humanos en el examen foresen I'm going to go to the hospital. I'm going to go to the hospital. I'm going to go to the hospital. I'm going to go to the hospital. I'm going to go to the hospital. I'm going to go to the hospital. I'm going to go to the hospital. Would you be free at this time? 100% or 80% I would say. We have information also

that they have been investigating you for the death of Isa Caterin Cabullales Perea.

Who was she?

I don't know. That's another little theme.

Tell us. I don't know. Who was Issa Katerin Cabujal Esperea? In the same way. Did you take his life too? No.

Are you sure? Why do you hesitate so much when I ask you about Isacaterin Cabullales Perea? Because I know that they are investigating me. Because I know. Did you know her?

Who was she?

A person also close to our group.

They tell us that she came to where you and your father were for a false job offer. Is it true?

No.

It's not true.

But she died, right?

Yes. Who gave your life? A partner. Who?

I'm talking about a delicate issue. It's an issue that can cause me a lot of problems. Both here and on the street. Do you understand me? Where is the body of Isacaterin Cabullales Perea? Disappeared.

Where? No. ¿Hicieron lo mismo con ella, con lo que hicieron con Karen Canelo y con Elizabeth Giraldo de 17 años? No. ¿Qué hicieron con ella? No, yo solo... solo que pues ni la pagaron ni nada por el estilo. I don't know if they were able to get her or anything like that. I know she's complete.

Where is she? Where is Isa Caterini? She has a family. You have a daughter who is three years old.

Shouldn't you do it for your daughter, Michael?

Yes, of course.

Tell us. Where is Isa Caterin?

She is buried.

Where?

Near the neighborhood. In your house?

No. In your house? No.

In your house? Behind the fence. Where did they bury her? They buried her in the high area.

Who buried her there?

Her partner.

Your partner?

Yes, bro.

And you know where it is? El parcero tuyo? Si, el broe. Y tu sabes donde es?

Si.

Le puedes indicar a las autoridades donde esta ella? Puede ser. Aoptando una negociacion, puede ser. Ya te condenaron a 54 años de carcel. Maybe. Maybe by negotiating. You were sentenced to 54 years in prison. Yes, of course. It doesn't add up or subtract much.

How old are you?

24. In reality, what you have is already a gain. What you have lost. You should not tell the truth for the little princess you have, for your daughter, for the girl you love. Of course. Why don't you tell the truth? I would say that I could be giving the location in real time.

There are only two people that we know where he is located.

Who?

The brother and me.

What is his name? What is your partner's name? David. ¿Tu papá también estuvo involucrado en la desaparición de Isacaterin Cabullales? No. ¿No? ¿Hubo otras personas a las que tú les quitaste la vida? to which you took their lives?

At some point. There were other people. Who?

At some point. How many people? is First his name was Alexis. Alexis. Alexis what? Sandoval.

And the other person?

Wilmer.

Wilmer what? Where are they?

Dead. Where are their bodies? The same. Near where you lived? No.

Where?

They were down there. But this was a dispute. A matter of prisoners. The matter of my brother's death. Because they were in charge of helping my brother die. And from then on, we started to have a bad life.

Mishael, is there really the armed group that you say you belong to?

Or is this an excuse to try to justify that you took your life with your father, Karen Canelo, 21, and Elizabeth Giraldo, 17?

No.

It's not an excuse. of How long have you been in prison? I've been in prison for two and a half years. What goes through your mind when you're here, with all the free time you have? I think about all the damage I've caused. In part, how I've ruined my life. I've lost it. I lost it. I lost it and it was worth it.

It's a mental game. Because it's hard to sustain. There are good days and bad days. Where you have to follow whether you like it or not. Where it falls and brings another struggle. Where there are moments when you want to throw away the towel and that's it.

Like there are other things that fill you and you have to keep fighting, even if you don't want to continue, you have to keep fighting. How long has it been since you last kissed your princess? It's been 6 months, 7 months, and it's almost time.

You shouldn't tell the truth about your daughter.

I'm doing it. Tell what really happened? I'm doing it. Tell what really happened? I'm doing it. Talk about your father's complicity?

No.

I can only talk about what is true. No more, no less. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Well, we're not talking about my wife. You're talking about my wife.

Who was Angie Perez?

She was my ex-wife. My ex-partner.

Your ex-partner?

Yes, my wife at that time was Michelle. She wasn't with me that night. She was with my daughter.

Did Angie Perez have anything to do with it? Yes, she was with my daughter. Did Angie Perez have anything to do with it? Yes, she was with me. Did she help you to kill those two girls?

Yes.

I'm confused. Who was Angie Perez and who was the girl's mother?

Angie Perez was my ex-wife. And my daughter's mother is called Michelle. I'm going to go to the hospital, but I was not going to the hospital.

I was going to the hospital to get my wife.

I was going to get my wife.

I was going to get my wife.

I was going to get my wife. I was going to get my wife. I was going to get my wife. I'm on the other side of our Casa Los Papas. He don't discover those corporal or chicas. And remember, he's a

he got to work a little bit so

not to be a more than a second of his period.

I don't do okay.

Pass out for a pre-made piece. Not even a salient appendix. Not even a pre-made piece of our salient Kajal in the second or third or diagonal. I went out to the alley, the second one goes out diagonally. To understand it better, Mishael, you are telling me that there were two women in the house.

Yes. Michelle, the mother of your daughter, and also Angie Perez, who was your ex-wife.

Yes, but then when Angie arrived, my wife was no longer there. is Yes. I have more than 300 calls when I was captured and I have calls with them. When we are talking about the subject.

She has not been arrested?

No.

Why?

I don't know. Or are you throwing her into the water? No. We are talking about, of course, no? You're saving your dad, but you're throwing Angie Perez into the water? We're talking about who participated and who didn't.

It's different. Not throwing her into the water or saving her. Because whoever commits it, yes or yes, in whatever way, has to pay for it. no echando el agua ni salvando porque el que la comete si o si de manera como sea la tiene que pagar del hecho a la palabra hay mucha diferencia de palabra señalan a mi papá

con los hechos se muestran muchas cosas Ishael gracias gracias por tu tiempo With the facts, many things are shown. Isael, thank you. Thank you for your time. Thank you for giving us this interview. Thank you for giving us this interview. Thank you very much.