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30 meters before I saw that the traffic stopped, but because the fire had already started. I realized that I was inside the flames. At that moment I imagined, we are going to set all the cars on fire and we are going to start exploding. So I already burned myself already burned, running. Being on the floor was the most frustrating moment. I remember it like this, because I saw the sky and I didn't see it blue, I saw it orange.

I kept seeing the flames, still. I was so angry that I had to die on the floor, looking up at the sky. What I remember at that moment, what people wanted was to record, you know? I mean, I did want to go see the event and they took out my cell phone.

I told her, I'm fine, I mean, my face, I have it burned. And a lady tells me, there are some children who are burned. The youngest did have important burns. My mom told me when we went to the medical unit that she was pregnant, that was gestating. And the pain could be seen, it wasn't... I mean, the families were... were...

well, with the uncertainty of what quality their patients were going to be. I can say that the majority reached 70% above the burn. No, people lost physical characteristics.

You see a photo,

and you see the person person versus what we see. They are taking people in trucks, in the vans.

And they started with the gauze and they told me, you have to hold on because that's the beginning, he says.

Everyone keeps silent. In that section, the only thing people do is keep quiet and turn around. Until now, there is a figure of 37, I think. I have counted with the people I have in the hospitals and with the contacts I have.

66.

Hello, how are you friends? How are you? I hope you are very, very well. Welcome to a new episode of the podcast of Pepe and Chema. Remember, I am Pepe and Chema. Today I bring you a very special episode. It is a very strong episode because it is about a tragedy that happened here in Mexico City, in Iztapalapa, where unfortunately a pipe, apparently it is not known exactly why it loses control, it turns, the gas is released and there is an explosion that ends up affecting all the people who were

around, not only a few meters but several tens of meters, many people were affected, people who passed by the bridge that is at the top, we are talking about a very important road distributor and unfortunately this tragedy ended the lives of many people. There are official numbers, extra official numbers and for that moment I want to tell you all that I couldn't be here, I haven't mentioned it but I'll take the opportunity to say it here I was in a complicated situation, at that time my son was being born, under very complicated situations

that didn't allow me to beiewing the information. Fortunately, today my son and my wife are fine, but we did have a little bit of a hard time. I thank you all for the nice comments you've been making, so thank you very much. But when I found out about this, well, obviously I also saw it as an opportunity because there were a lot many people who wanted microphones and spaces. Only at the moment we no longer saw it appropriate to approach the direct victims of these situations

because they knew they had to be taking care of their health and that was the most important thing. So we decided to make this chapter where we collect three stories of three people who lived this situation in a different way. A person was passing by the bridge and the fire or the explosion was so big that it was also affected and he was going to tell his testimony of how he lived it, in the moment, what he saw, what happened.

But we also have the testimony of a paramedic, this paramedic who at the moment of knowing what happened all the help forces left and he tells us a little about what was seen, what was experienced, what happened to the people, how he acted and also a person who also became very media because he was a person who was not there but decided to follow all the people and all the victims to be able to support them. So I ask you for a lot of understanding. It will be a chapter where I will have different clothes because we recorded it on different days, but I know it is a chapter that will impact you. So I leave you the three stories so that you know.

It is a fairly strong chapter. I hope you also like it and it helps us to be aware that as Mexicans we have to avoid putting ourselves in risky situations because sometimes just by going to see what happened, many people were affected and also as Mexicans to sink in these types of situations and tragedies. I send you a hug and I hope you enjoy this episode. We have Daniel Alberto Rivera, or better known as Dan Rivera. Dan, you are a normal citizen, in theory. You live near where this happened.

Can you tell me a little bit about the place? How is it normally outside of this situation that happened? How was that place? What could you find if you were going and you stopped for 5 minutes? What did you see? Ok, obviously it is a main avenue and from there it is a rail distributor in fact. It is within the limits of Iztapalapa and the state of Mexico,

so obviously it is a very busy avenue, and something very curious that day a very large market was put up, huge, huge, a very large market, it is a very well-known market, so obviously it was a day when there was a lot of crowding of people. That day there were a lot of people? Yes, of course, normally what can you see? Well, accumulation of people, quite a few cars, people, in fact there is a stop there, very well known, of a subway, a subway station. Which subway station? It is the subway station Santa Marta. Ok. So, yes, it is very crowded there. And normally what you can see are too many cars, a lot of people, traffic. And well, especially that day, the crowd of people because of the flea market.

Regularly, the people who are there, then, are waiting for something. A bus, a taxi, Uber, whatever. Regularly, the people who are there are in that area to see where they are going to go, right? Sure, where they're going. You live very close to there, how close do you live? That's right, approximately 5 or 7 minutes from the place where the explosion happened. Juan Luis, I would like to ask you, there are people who were there, who went to the doctors,

there are people who were there exactly when the pipe fell. In your case, where were you when all of this happened?

I had to be at the La Concordia Bridge, about 30 meters away from turning to Santa Marta. I was on the far left. The Pipa, from what I see, I was coming from Mexico-Puebla to Zaragoza, which is the avenue.

You were coming from Puebla to Mexico City, let's say. Exactly, yes, on the track. The La Concorde bridge is a very high bridge, right? How high is it?

I honestly don't know. I know it's the highest in that direction, but this is very curious because it has been a bridge that, for me personally, I was afraid to pass because I have seen it crowded with vehicles. I know that the structure must the structure must give to support so many vehicles, but I've been stuck in traffic and it supports a lot of trucks and it was like a fear.

Sure, I've never seen it that way. You came in this direction of the town of Mexico City. What did you see? I mean, since you got on the bridge, did you notice something strange or did you move forward or did you not notice nothing strange until something happened?

Until something happened. Until the flames started, and literally, as I was saying before the recording, it was like a show started, unnoticed, you know? I was coming, well, normal, I was coming listening to music, I was coming in the main lane, and it's something that surprises me, because the accident was at the left end.

Let's say that if I had been at the right end, that's where the pipe originated, where all the gas was coming out. So I was coming to the central lane and it was normal, the traffic was normal, there was no traffic. It was 12 or 20 in the afternoon. So I joined the left-hand side and in front of me, I remember it well because the traffic was fluid, but there were a lot of vehicles driving.

I had a red passenger truck in front and a truck on the right. So I was going, I couldn't see to the front. Covered in some way. Yes, in the videos you can notice that you see the cloud first, you see how it emerges, and now watching videos, you can see that it was seconds, what gave me the opportunity to see the clouds.

I didn't see them, I'm very honest, I didn't see those clouds. I was concentrated, driving, and when I hit the left, and it was 20 or 30 meters before the curve to Santa Marta. I was going to go right, I didn't even have to go to the left. 30 meters before I saw that the traffic stopped, but because the fire had already started. If in video it looks impressive, in person it was an ecosystem or a completely orange panorama with yellow, and you knew it was inside.

Apocalyptic, right? The truth is, I was watching other videos that also come to mind, right? Many things, I mean, at the moment you think a lot of things, you realize, or I realized that it was inside the flames. I had a lot of ideas at the time, I remember well that I thought later on the bridge, something was thrown at the bridge with gasoline, and I imagined that we were going to set all the cars on fire and start exploding.

That's what I thought in that situation. So, first, all that is consumed. It sounds like a blowtorch, but multiplied by a lot, or I don't know, it was a sound of thunder. And then the explosions started. There were approximately six.

So, at the exact moment I saw that flame emerge, I was already in the air conditioning, I felt like I wasn't breathing, I felt very hot inside, you can feel the waves, so to speak, the frequencies of the heat.

You can see when it's very hot, you see see waves, but you could see everything moving.

Even inside the car.

Exactly. I saw outside and I remember seeing everything moving, like waves. It's like the heat when it's coming off the floor. Something like that. Exactly. When it's hot and you see the sun. So I saw that. I saw fire on the left side, I saw the front of the truck and the one that was loading,

I was interrupted by the front view, I saw nothing but the fire, the flames, I couldn't see how far, I only saw everything orange, I don't even remember seeing the blue sky. I saw that, so I got out of the vehicle, on the left side, well, I opened the door, I open it, and after that sound stopped stopped, it was like a giant blowtorch, it looked like we were a comal, because the fire was embracing us. I hear that, the intensity goes down,

you can only see giant flames, they were still giant, and that's when I decide to get out of my car, it turns off, I run back, but sometimes you feel like you're going to fall from the long distances you're taking. And well, that's where the explosions start, the floor starts shaking.

Sorry Juan Luis, but I would like to ask you, you were coming in your car with air conditioning, listening to music, windows up, I imagine I imagine, because of the air conditioning. And even so, you felt that strong fire. What characteristics do you have of your car? Is it a car? A truck?

Yes, it's a car. It's a sedan type car. Well, that car appears in many videos. And one characteristic that they have given me is that I was driving with the air conditioning on, but I would lie, I honestly do not remember which option I was driving, if where it closes the valves so that it is no longer from the outside to the inside, or the one that is covered, where only the air conditioning is inserted.

Turning around so that the external odors do not enter. Exactly, I don't know all that language, but they did explain to me that it was probably open because I immediately felt like an oven. I felt a lot of heat, and no such thing as a Mexican saying. Maybe he could have accelerated, of course, and passed the truck on the left side and made a run.

But you didn't know there was a front and a back.

Exactly. And I had my eyes completely covered. So, the first impression I got was that something was thrown in front and the gas was going to cover everything or the bridge was going to explode. That was the catastrophic scenario.

The ideal or what you did was to run backwards because you had already passed and you realized that there was nothing behind at least. How long were you in your car while these flames were burning? Or this orange panorama?

Yes, well, in reality, as we've seen in movies or when you're about to fall, time slows down. The adrenaline rises. I think the body prepares for many things, and in that situation even more. You know, it's like one of the worst ways to die, being burned, because it's suffocating, you can't breathe very well.

So, now I realize that it was seconds. I would have been in all that event like a minute and a half. Inside the vehicle, I was approximately, since it started, let's say, the huge flames, I was inside the vehicle for about 7 seconds. It took me a long time, but it was 7 seconds. I'm sure it wasn't as long as I perceived it.

In those 7 seconds, apart from feeling this very strong heat, did you start to feel burns?

I did feel burn, I'm being honest, I did feel burn and that's why I felt the need to leave. I mean, at that moment I couldn't leave because, obviously, it was like a blowtorch and it was burning or consuming all that gas. Now I know it's gas. So, at that moment, I felt like the air was getting cold. I don't even remember if I was breathing well, but I felt really hot inside. And that was like 7 seconds where I literally saw all of that. I even managed to save my phone, the car turned off.

Hey Juan Luis, and when you were in the car, were these burns originated to you? Or was it later, when you were already outside, and you still felt the sensation?

It was outside, in fact. Inside I did feel the burn, just on the skin. Like, I've never been inside an oven, of course, but it's like...

It's when you burn yourself with a match, for example, you feel that...

You know how I can assimilate it? Like a temazcal. I mean, you could feel the intense heat inside. And if you've been there, it gets a little complicated, right? Breathing, in fact, is the therapy, supposedly, of being inside. So I did feel the difficulty of breathing. I remember that was what I felt, but fortunately, I did have the glasses on. If I had them down, I guess another story would have been with my face.

So I was already burning, actually, running. I mean, in the explosions. The moment it was a flash, I felt the bridge vibrate. I get out of the vehicle, I started running in the opposite direction, and I was running, I thought it had been a long time, but I guess I ran for about 7 or 5 seconds, I'm running and I turn,

I mean, from the burning I felt to an explosion, I remember that my cap flew off.

This expansive wave.

The waves, yes, because they were waves and everything looked like, like shaking, you know? Like that, it looked like the frequencies, right? At the end of the fire. So, I feel like the cap falls off, I, running, really just felt that. I do remember feeling a little bit of the burn on my ear at that moment. I burned my ear and a little bit of the scalp.

So, running, is that I start to feel the burn on my arms. I'm surprised later that on my face, nothing, but I start to feel the burn. And I, running, I can see my arms and I can assimilate it like a ligament. I saw at first as ligaments, as the skin began to open. And putting another example, as the meat, when you put it in a pan, it begins to become smaller. To contract. to contract. I got some bladders right away.

In fact, the left arm is the most damaged, the one with the second degree burn. So this was the one that, because now I know that when I ran in the opposite direction, the explosion hit me on the left side. On the left side, all the gas was coming out. So, running, I saw my arms, I saw this one first, which exploded, and this one in my hands. This one, honestly, burned me, but what I saw was my hands.

I saw my hands as if they were starting to cook. I see it as ligaments, because I literally saw layers that started to open.

We've seen a lot of images of this part where the skin looks like layers that are obtained until it is like an intense red.

Unfortunately for many people it was like that, right?

How long did you run?

It would have been 7 seconds. 7 seconds.

Running?

Yes, because the heat was very intense and I felt suffocated. At most, I think it was 10 seconds. I'm not exaggerating. It wasn't that long because I wanted to get out of there. At that moment, I wanted to get out of the flames. I mean, psychologically, I felt that it was going to increase more and more until the bridge exploded.

I mean, I imagined the worst, to be honest. So, it must have been about 10 seconds, and that's when I felt suffocated, I couldn't breathe, I felt the heat. I had already felt the burn. The doctors told me that it could have been the direct fire, but the temperature was already embracing the bridge. Because if it had been direct fire, they told me that it would have been something else, the face, the hair. So, after I burn, when I keep running, I still feeling the punches. It's a pain I've never experienced.

I don't know if it's even a tattoo. I've never gotten a tattoo. But it's a very strong pain. I still felt the punches, so I can't run anymore. I feel like my arms are numb, but still with the punches. I fall, I have a small injury on my knee and elbow. I tell you that sometimes you run and at the same time you fall.

So if I fall to the floor at that moment...

You would have advanced 30 meters.

I think so.

About 30 meters and you fall to the floor.

Yes, I couldn't do it anymore. I just couldn't breathe, I felt a lot of heat, I felt the temperatures, I felt the punches in my arms. And I started to fall, I literally fell those times when you go little by little, from the knee, then the elbow. And I remember at that moment

that I felt the intense heat. I stayed, it must have been about, now I think about it, five seconds maybe on the floor for 5 seconds, but being on the floor was the most frustrating moment. I remember it like that because I saw the sky and I didn't see it blue, I saw it orange. I kept seeing the flames, I knew I was still inside the fire. I said, how far will it go? And the only thing I thought, I literally didn't see life go by like other people have commented,

that you see your life, that you think about everything, that you ask God or that you pray for your life. Being very honest, at that moment, I did think that in such a bad way, I had to die. Did you feel that resignation? I felt that resignation, and I'm not exaggerating, it was traumatic. Of course, there's no doubt about that. Horrible.

The most traumatic moment was that, because you feel a resignation, that you want it to stop happening. You want it to end soon, if it's going to happen. I remember thinking, what a way, with a rude way, I had to die on the floor, looking to the sky. And I psychologically had the idea that it was going to increase, and I felt my arms very burned.

To enter that day, it was a day of thug life, it was a day of a lot of movement, it was a peak hour in theory, it was already an hour where there was a lot of fluidity of cars here in Mexico City, there were already children in schools and all this kind of thing. How do you find out? Do you hear the noise? What happens in those minutes? Ok, it started to rain a little bit, obviously because of the magnitude of the explosion. Yes, it started to rain a little bit, but it was felt. What did you feel? A movement in the ground? No, not weird, but the boom. The sound?

Yes, like the explosion. So, it immediately started to go viral on social media, videos started to be uploaded and all that and that was when we turned on the TV and we realized that all the channels were talking about it Ok, one question, you heard the noise, you said something was wrong but nothing happened and suddenly videos started to circulate and you find out through the videos. You don't hear anything outside, you don't hear cars passing by, you don't hear ambulances. Do you hear something different in that moment that you don't find out?

From when it happened, when I started to see the news, I didn't hear any movement, but about 30 minutes later, there was already a helicopter, sirens and ambulances. But how long after did you find out? It happened exactly 15 minutes after the explosion. Ok, at that moment you find out? Yes. What happens? You go out on the street, you notice something

different or do you decide to move to see what to do? I went up to the roof of my house and obviously you could see the cloud of smoke and well, all the information that started to run, we started to check it on Facebook and well, we complemented it with the one on television, with the news. Was it very big what you saw? Yes, yes, it was really impressive magnitude. Did it look visually? Because when there is a fire you say, son, I don't know if it's big or small, until you get really close and you realize.

From there, it felt like it was something much bigger than normal.

Yes, of course.

What do you decide to do at that moment? Because you don't see yourself affected. Did you have friends near that area? Did you worry about someone in particular who could have been affected by this? If I answer you honestly, what really moved me was to show solidarity at that moment, to try to see what we could help. I have been making donations for about 5 years, so regularly in those types of situations we join. What happens? So you say, these people need help. What do you do, taking into account that you are a person who has already done a lot of altruistic work? What that you do? Taking into account that you are a person who has done a lot of altruistic work, what did you do? Well, obviously the images spoke for themselves, right? It was like, yes, yes, yes, the magnitude of the explosion was appreciated.

So, obviously we knew that help was required. And it was at the moment that we decided, I say we decided, I have a team of 12 people that help me make the donations. So it was when, like, instant communication from everyone. Did you see what happened? Yes. Let's go. Where are you going? First, we had the idea of getting directly to the explosion site.

But obviously, we already have that part of us aware that at that moment emergency teams, paramedics, firefighters, all that move. So the idea was like that. The first one was to go. Then it was like, let's be aware that we are not going to get in the way. And we decided to split up to the hospitals. But we sent two people from our team to see what was requested at that time. Eric, how long have you been in civil protection?

Have you ever been in something as big as this before? Well, I've been in civil protection in Palapa for about two years. And something of this magnitude, well, no. The closest thing was the fire at the Abastos Central. However, there were no victims there, fortunately, of this magnitude. This has been the most catastrophic event in Iztapalapa so far.

How do you find out? What happens? They call us on the radio and tell us that there is an accident, apparently in La Concordia. They still don't tell us the location. La Concordia is not only the bridge, it's the whole area the whole area

so, near that area is the bus station, the bus, sorry, the bus from Santa Marta also a metro station so, we were a bit scared because there are a lot of people in that area and they mention that it was an incident that involved a gas pipe so they still didn't tell us if it was an explosion we proceeded to get on the bus and go to the service

and like at 5 minutes, the radio tells us it's an explosion so my colleagues and I got a little nervous because a gas pipe, explosion, we didn't know the magnitude of the damage. And, well,

fortunately, in groups that we are added to the media, they started to notify us, smoke columns, photos, short videos. and we started to suggest a little of the scope of this situation.

So you go, you go to that point, what distance were you from the central to the bridge of the Concordia? Well, look, we are exactly on the explanation of the Alcalista Palapa. So, to La Concordia, it took about 25-30 minutes. This depends a lot on the road, because it was 2pm.

Traffic.

Between 2 and 2.30pm, more or less, the school traffic, the office workers, the common people, this made the situation worse. Why? Because we were late, because of the issues of the crowded streets. After that, when we were getting closer to the area, people were clinging to want to cross.

I mean, the lack of knowledge too, right? But they were clinging to want to cross, so it didn't allow the emergency resources to arrive. So a colleague had to get off the bus and ask the motorists to open up, because there was an explosion in front. I think about 30 meters from the beginning of the Concordia, it was already starting to already smell burning. I could see the smoke columns, I could see people running, jumping over the containment walls.

Trying to escape.

I already felt a lot of heat, and the bridge, I remember having knowledge, and having made the idea that throwing myself on the ground, maybe it's not that much,

but the asphalt was still hot. I was hot, so I feel a burn in the lumbar area, I don't know how it was, if I had been uncovered, I don't know, but I feel that burn. And I literally want to tell it like that because that's how it was. I feel that burn and as if it were an abdominal, I don't even do abdominals, but I feel the burn and it's like I'm doing an abdomen. I don't even do abdomen. But I feel the burn and that lifts me up. I feel that impulse of burn.

You were lying down and you get up.

Yes, I was lying down and I remember covering my face, even running. That's why I would have burned my arms running. I would have covered my face and being inside. And I do remember, lying down, sorry. I remember screaming. That was the only moment where I screamed in pain and desperation. I was on the floor, I covered myself, I screamed, I have that thought and I feel the burn on my back, in the lumbar area. And literally, as if it were an abdominal, I get up. I don't remember putting my knees down.

I just got up like that, literally from the floor, I sat down, I took flight, still towards the stage, you know? I got up towards the stage, because I fell and turned around and I was standing, towards the explosion. So I get up towards the stage, towards the explosion on the right side, and I start running away again. It was harder, I felt it was harder because, I don't know, I don't remember,

no, no, I definitely didn't lose consciousness. I mean, I did get up normally and everything, but when I get up I feel bad. I mean, I do feel a down like the adrenaline and I feel, maybe it was that resignation that I felt on the floor. I do feel like, I don't have a good idea of what high pressure is, low pressure, sometimes we sometimes call it that, right? Maybe wrongly, but I already feel like a down, I feel a downpour, I feel suffocated, I was not breathing, when you are in those situations I think it is what you do least, you do not breathe so much, then I already feel suffocated and I keep running, already with less intensity, I was already further from the

event, I do not remember if the temperature was already lower, but I do remember that it was farther away. The slope, you could already see the cars, which was something I didn't mention, and I haven't mentioned it in any way. I haven't mentioned that there were cars, and it was also another fear that when I was running, I woke up. Because there were still two cars that were running in the opposite direction, going back to the base of the bridge. So, at the time, I didn't think about it, but then I thought,

I could have been run over.

Yes, run over.

Because I fall in the center of the bridge. As I saw, I mean, I saw from my car, as I was going to the left end, I saw the flames on this side too. So, my first impression was also, something is happening on this side. So, I moved away. Maybe it was wrong, but I moved away from the left side, I mean, in the opposite direction, it was the right side,

but I moved away and went to the center of the track, of the bridge. So, there I still had to... There was a crossroad in the middle of the bridge, on both sides, and there were still two cars that were going around the left side, the right side, in the opposite direction, coming back.

I also saw one that, well, I don't remember that very well. I should stop being nervous at this time and remember the whole scene. But that's when I kept running. I see the beginning of the bridge. I see that there are cars, that the traffic is stopped. they didn't go any further, I could see a traffic. I could see that Mexico-Puebla was full of cars, they didn't go any further.

And that's when the white smoke starts to emerge, and a kind of ash, now I know it was a trailer that had cardboard, but you can see all that white ash breeze, you know? That and white smoke. That made it even harder to breathe. So I remember holding my shirt, I put it on my nose and I kept walking, I couldn't do it anymore.

I could feel that I was going to faint or something. I remember looking at my sneakers while I was walking. When I was walking, I remember looking at my sneakers. They were black, from Venezuela. I don't remember, they were synthetic, obviously. But they were... Like gum.

Like gum. Wow. The edges, I remember that I was already losing them. Some of them came off. Until I was able to get starting to fall off. Until I was able to get out of there. And even then, I remember hearing explosions.

There were like 6 explosions. I don't know why I saw them, because I didn't see them. I was on the bridge, but I did hear 6 less intense explosions.

That's really strong. And regarding the sound panorama, being inside your car, I imagine you hear some things, you hear this like a whistle, but you hear the music. The moment the music stops and you get out of the car, what was the difference? What did you hear?

That's impressive, and I remember it well. I stopped listening to music. I mean, even though I already had music, I didn't have it that loud. I'm someone who listens in the car until it breaks down. But at that moment, I didn't have it that loud. I stopped listening to everything. I only listened to the sound of a giant blowtorch. You didn't hear people, you didn't hear screams? No, the screams, good question, I heard the screams when I was walking.

That's when I understood that the issue had been below, you know, because of the explosions, that were no longer on the bridge, I would have felt it. So I hadn't remembered that. When you hear the explosions, you notice, even though you're far away, the human perception you have, you notice. I already knew I had gone down. So, at that moment, I think,

how ugly, the people who were down there, they suffered a lot and I heard some screams. That's when I heard some screams, I thought they were from a woman. I was the only one who heard it, I didn't hear more. I'm being honest, I'm not exaggerating the situation. I was the only one who heard it, in pain.

I was the only one who heard it, when we got to the traffic stop at the La Concordia bridge, let's say at the beginning.

Weren't you the only one who ran out of your car?

No, I still found a couple, two people. in What I remember at that moment was that people wanted to record, you know? They wanted to go see the event and they took out their cell phones. We were going down and they literally didn't even realize that we had been the ones who had burned ourselves. Until a bus driver saw me. He was the one who saw me and now I know it was a mistake, but he saw me and brought a bottle of water. I asked him for water at that moment to drink, and I said, can you give me some water? I felt dizzy. I thought, well, the worst, I said, maybe this is going to get complicated.

Dehydration, all that.

I thought a thousand things, the truth is that I said, maybe I'm worse. I still remember crying, because I was crying, I felt helpless. I didn't take my cell phone at that moment, even though I had it in my bag. I didn't take it at that moment. I did go down crying. I remember a man hugged me right away and said, Are you okay? Is everything okay?

And I do remember that he took a quick vaseline out of his backpack and started putting it on my arm. He said, Don't worry, son, you're fine, nothing's wrong. And I remember that I did ask him, I asked him, am I okay? I mean, I did ask him because I couldn't see his face, I felt a little bit of pain and I was in shock,

I mean, I was in shock, I wasn't aware of what I was doing at that moment. So I remember that I said,. I have a burn on my face. I remember asking him. He said, no, you're fine. And he took out a vaseline. I didn't even tell him that, not even from the hospital. But he started to rub it in. He saw how it impacted him. And he put vaseline on me. He was the first one to approach me.

And then I got closer to the traffic. And I saw a man with a bottle of water. I asked him if he could give me some water. And he said, you know what? I don't think so. He said, it could hurt you because of what you just went through. Because you could see the arms, and it was obvious that he was burned. Because the arms started to...

One was the vaseline, and the other was that something was starting to flow. Like something orange. Like an orange color. They told me at the hospital that I think it's plasma. It's a component of blood, but it was like a drop. It's like oil. I can actually resemble it. Red oil. So you could see it, and he denied the water, you know?

But in the end, was it good that he denied it?

I didn't ask anymore. Honestly, I wanted to drink it, and I told him, hey, but I want to put it on my arms. Oh, no, I know that's bad, right? Yes, I didn't know. Putting water on the burn. Yes, they told me that would have been very bad, because I did want to drink water first, because I felt bad, I mean, I already felt,

I don't know if the pressure was low or I was dizzy, I was suffocated, it was hard for me to breathe. And all I wanted was water to drink. And right away I told him, don't drink it now because it can hurt you. And I told him, well, to get me, because I burn horribly. And he said, no, I don't think so. And I think in the end it was good, both in the drink and in the arms. They explained to me later that if I had done that, it would have complicated my wounds.

Because it absorbs, at that moment, it dehydrates, as is the burn, it absorbs liquids and participates in a kind of liquid retention.

I don't remember it very well, but they told me that in the end it was good that I didn't throw up water. Between the water, Juan Luis, and you running out of the car, that's when it surprises me, because you've told me a lot of things, and suddenly 20 seconds have passed. How long had it been between you getting out of the car and approaching a person? I imagine a little more time, but how long did it take for you to say, I think I'm fine, I don't think I'm going to die, maybe?

I guess it was about three minutes. I did take a while to get down. When I got to safety, that was later on. If I stayed 20 meters away from turning left to Santa Marta, Catitla, I think when I felt more relieved that the temperature wasn't so high anymore, it was about 70 meters maybe.

So I think that in all that time it was about 4 minutes I guess, because I already got down walking. I started to feel bad and I got down practically walking normally.

After this situation, what happens to you? Do you seek attention? Do you go to offer help? Or do you get more involved in investigating what happened?

What do you do? I was in other events before, like the earthquake and that, and I remember being one of the people who was going to... To lift the rubble? Yes, the truth is, I've been through a lot on social media. There wasn't that much of a thing where you started recording and all that. There wasn't that much, there wasn't that virality for 2017.

But I do remember, you know, being honest, having that intention. I said, well, if something can help, I'm not that bad. I did feel that, well of thinking about the people below. At that moment I thought, the people below were calcified. If the flames where I was were huge, I did think, below the people must be burned. I imagined that scenario. I said, below there must be lot of people lying down, a lot of people burned.

They were already starting to hear, especially the police. I had to see an ambulance pass, already in the opposite direction. I remember seeing a lot of people, there were already a lot of people. The cable car stopped for a moment, there were people on the bridge going to Puebla. There were already people stopped with their vehicles recording. And I remember at that moment that there were patrols,

and above all, there were traffic and police on motorcycles.

When you arrive, exactly how long had it been? We arrived approximately at 32, 37 minutes of what had happened. Upon our arrival, we were immediately informed that people had already moved by their means. Or people who were on the periphery, were assisted and taken away. So we descended from the medical unit to evaluate the situation. In the distance, we still witnessed the explosion of a... I imagine there was still gas accumulated and firefighters working.

We approached the risk zone because we saw people approaching. We shouted, get away, get away, it's going to explode. And when someone approaches me and says, hey, there are people who have been burned, I approach the person who told me about it. He was a man, about 30 years old,

covered in a sheet. He was sitting on the bench, and he did see himself with skin hangings exposed. I approached him, and a lady told me, there are some children who are burned, and I told my partner, hey, help the young man, and I run to where the children are.

You get to the children. That's right, an adult brings the baby in his arms and gives it to me, and says, it's burned, and I receive it in my arms, and they also tell me that there was another minor, me What do you perceive? Well, I just became a father two months ago. Congratulations. Thank you very much. The first thing I thought was my son.

It was a little impressive because you don't expect at first that you are received with such a situation. However, I thought quickly and covered it.

I covered it with my vest because this kind of patients loses heat very quickly. And since I didn't cry, I was scared, I said, oh my God. So I covered it, I turned around, I told the mother to follow me,

just like the child, and I think the father, we went to the medical unit. That stretch of about, I think it was unos 8 metros, me sofoque porque el humo estaba a todo lo que era, ¿no? Y ya llegamos a donde se encontraba la unidad médica, procedía a subir con el bebé y con los demás lesionados

y a prestarles la primera atención had important burns, especially on his hair, part of his face, the left side of his face, he had burns of the second degree, and on his legs, on his thighs, he had burns of the second degree that seemed to be very thick, and the mother. The mother told me when we went to the medical unit that she was pregnant,

she was gestating, that she was going with her family, that they were going for a walk, that they were not there. In fact, the girl was in shock, because she asked me what had happened. I said, there was an accident. And why? And I said, it was happening, an accident happened, don't worry, we'll help you. But why? Why are we here? I'm burning with fear.

So more people started arriving. The curious ones took people they found walking around so we could lend them assistance and obviously, the volume of the situation was getting bigger so they joined more emergency resources, fortunately

they responded quickly and were able to face the situation

What happened with the baby? What did you do? Well, look, as I told you, I thought about my son first. It was hard, but it was automatic. I knew what I had to do, and I tried to do it as best as I could. Obviously, this kind of accident involves complex injuries, which is fire.- to replenish their fluids. It's just as complex as wanting to do a heart surgery in the middle of the street. Exactly. So, imagine, right?

To that, not one or two are added, but patients in quantity. And, well, the resources. As this was indeed an emergency, something that emerged without prior notice, we were not totally prepared to face a situation like that. How many people were outside the camper? Well, I saw hundreds of people.

Burned?

No, I mean...

Between people who were carrying burned people. Burned people, I could tell you that I saw above 30 people. I mean, I was under the ambulance for a short time, I spent it higher, trying to contain the wounds, giving the treatments to some patients. What I could see on the street,

about 30 or 40 people burned. Unfortunately, people who I'm afraid have already died, were people who we also had some contact to provide first aid, but it's difficult. Sure. Is this gas burn different from gasoline, for example? Well, yes. Why? Because gas is light, dense and it goes to the floor. So the fire started from the bottom up.

So what we saw in many patients who were walking, it literally looked like a scene from The Walking Dead, walking with burnt skin, burnt clothes, but burnt from the feet to the head. So that was really impressive because I had not seen something so close so shocking for the volume of the people.

Sure, sure. Within the images that we saw, we simply saw burnt cars, photos of burnt people, but obviously it's not just that, there are many other things. Did you see anything that surprised you? I'm going to say something silly, a tire on the roof of a house. Something that was different, or broken windows around the houses. What was the panorama that maybe we couldn't see because we weren't there? Well, I think the most that people have been able to perceive are the images of what happens in Europe, in Ukraine, of the destruction. Something like that.

Because when we entered the Zone Zero, the cars were totally incinerated, the tires were calcined, all the vinyl and plastic details were totally melted with the metal, as you mentioned, the crystals, many pieces of broken crystals, there were two trucks involved, I think they were loaded, one had cardboard,

which was still burning, they tried to mitigate the fire, the firemen, all charred, literally it looked like a scene from the war. Luis Valdez-Gonzalez speaking Spanish I was like, I'm going to die. I saw people walking around with burnt clothes and skin. It's a scene that I keep in my memory as something taken from a horror book.

I was with the motorcycle police. He just told me to stay here. I saw that it was going to be very difficult for an ambulance to come from where I was. Because everything was already covered, there was an impressive traffic. So he told me, where were you or why did you get burned? Still in a rage, you know?

I remember it like that, because at that moment, you're frustrated. Maybe you don't ask for it, but you would prefer a slap, right? Hey, are you okay? Are you calm? I remember that I just thought, you know what? My vehicle is there, I leave it open, let's go. I didn't even bring the key, I left the key there, the control. So I remember that I had the thought of wanting to go back. I just went back, the police didn't stop me anymore.

There I felt something strange, I started walking and I was the only one who started walking back when you could see that the situation was under control. It had been about 25 minutes, the time I was there was calmer. You couldn't see the people from where you were, how they were, you couldn't see anything? No, no, not anymore. I did stay at the beginning of the bridge for about 25 minutes. I guess if I had gone up at the time, I would have seen something. And that was when I took out my cell phone and started recording. 25 minutes have passed, or maybe not so much, maybe about 20, I don't really know.

I started walking and I started recording that series of videos. There are four of the videos that I recorded, and they were quite long. I didn't say anything in the videos, I just recorded. I recorded how the smoke looked. And when I was getting to the edge of the bridge, and I started going up, I saw two cars still on fire in the distance.

On fire? How?

Inside the cabin.

Flames.

Yes, flames were still flames emerging. There were people, the reality is that there were people screaming. Not in pain, but they were already walking like, hurry up, like, the water, help, and things like that. By that time there were no more injured. I guess a lot of people gave them support or many managed to run.

So when I go up, I start recording on the left side, and I see the grass, I see that I have no idea if it was the camp that is speculated, that there were people in a situation of street living under the bridge, but I do see a circle that is lit as if there had been something there, I mean, I did say there was something there, because the grass was green, and there was a circle with relatively high flames.

I look further ahead, and that's where I see... At first, I thought that was the pipe. To be honest, I said, that's the pipe, I recorded it, and it was a truck, I think it was the cardboard one, and behind it was the burned out bus. That's how it was, you could literally only see the iron from the tubes. So that's what I recorded. I did record

later that you could see white covered cars as if they had been burned on the outside. There were two vehicles that I still observe with the flame inside the cabin and the bus, the bus there, burned out. And I thought, what happened to those people? I was arriving and I saw the videos, and I thought it was impressive. Because I thought it was the fire truck, so I was close to the incident.

So I recorded there, and I immediately recorded my vehicle, which stayed with the door open. So I got to the vehicle, on board, and it was the last fear. I said, I don't think anything will happen. I was afraid to push it,

to turn it on. The truth is, yes. It's like there's a gas leak in your house and you say, I've been 10 minutes since I opened the windows, I'm going to light a match. Isn't that a bit of that feeling?

It was the last fear, but I did feel bad. I mean, I felt dizzy, I felt the pain in my arms, I was going to increase. So I said, well, within all of us, let's go. I mean, it I start the hearing. I practically leave the place.

I was outside of the video recording, I did observe a little, and I saw that there was no one. I didn't see anyone lying down, I didn't see people, I only saw the burning cabins, and I saw people helping. I guess I took longer to get on the bridge, which was the right thing to do, because my white back was gone, or at least it decreased its intensity.

So I was still on the bridge, and maybe it looked a bit morbid, but you want to see and look, and I was looking and I said, there's no one. I imagined, and I said, they were calcined.

How sad is the situation. With the pain, I get in the vehicle, I turn it on, and I start driving. The car is automatic. I felt the arms and fingers. I mean, in this one I have burns on the knuckles,

on the fingers, and I couldn't flex them so easily. I mean, they them as easily. They got numb. I mean, I lost my sensitivity. I had total sensitivity, but I couldn't move them at all. I remember that I just tried to feel the wheel. Maybe it looks bad, but I was trying to feel the wheel.

But I was using my knees. The position is good for me to use my knees. And I was already in get the wheel, but I was on my knees. The position was good for me to go with my knees. And I was already in contact with my dad. I hadn't mentioned it, but I did have the opportunity to communicate first with my wife and then with my dad.

What did you tell your wife? Your wife didn't know anything at that moment.

No. She wanted to control me and I couldn't. I mean, I didn't want to upset her, worry I couldn't. I heard her voice. I remember that moment, I had a mental breakdown. I had scenarios of my wife, if she had come here with me, I don't know what would have happened. That's when I cried even more. I said, I'm going to calm down, I'm going to calm down. I wasn't calm, that's the reality. I was very upset. And on the phone I said, I don't want to worry you so much, I want to tell you that this is horrible, that I feel bad.

And no, I let go of crying, I told her that and then my dad. So I guess I was both worried at the time.

Of course, totally. What happens with you? What is your diagnosis? You already told us a little bit, but what happens?

They treated me like someone who was injured. They told me, you don't know how feels to be inside, you breathed it in. So, the indication was that, to stay there. I think it was more my intention to feel overwhelmed, to feel... well, with difficulty to be able to get out of there. I even called my dad and said,

hey, I still made two calls with dad twice because he was the closest I could get. My dad was in La Morelo, near the House of Representatives, in San Lazaro. So I told him, I have him closer there. And with my wife it was going to be impossible because she was at the entrance to Mexico, Puebla. So I told him, it was going to be impossible for her to get there because of the traffic she had done. Yes, of course. So my dad was the one who told me,

no, I'll be right back, he was worried. My dad has been someone that I respect, because he is someone who is very aware of me, as if he were a child, really. So the first thing he told me was, wait for me where you are, send me your location, son. He was calming me down because I was still crying and I was still in shock. I told him that I felt bad.

He told me to stay there and that he would see how I would handle it. He called me again and told me that he was going to ride a motorcycle. My dad asked me about my health and he asked me about the car. He told me a thousand things and I told him that I was. I told him I was going to meet him on my knees. I called him on the speakerphone and I told him I was going on my knees. Where do I see you?

Then he tells me to go straight and I see you in Pantitlan. I come on a motorcycle. I said ok. Then I remember that we passed the Gómez Farías station and I arrive in Pantitlan. He is still on the phone. He was very desperate and was screaming, where are you? I got here and suddenly I see him on the traffic light.

It was something very curious because I see him in four vehicles on the traffic light, which did cross in the middle and he was on the phone. And he says, where are you? I don't see you. And I say, I'm already here.

And the call hangs up. I remember I see him, I see him in the distance and I start to ring the bell. I still remember that people got upset because I was ringing the bell. But the motorcycle was there, it literally crossed the traffic light. I remember I got out and I said to him, Dad. And he just told me, no, go, go. A colleague did him a favor and I am very grateful for it because the traffic is coming in.

He already took me by motorcycle to the hospital. The closest thing we had there was the Valbuena. I mean, because of the injuries, my dad at that time said, you can't go to any hospital because I remember...

It's a special service for the injured.

Yes, I told him, Dad, I'm going to get into any hospital, I'll go to whatever, where can I get in? I remember there was an IMSS, one in Mexico-Zaragoza, I think, and he told me to go to Valbuena. I don't know why he told me that, he just told me to go to Valbuena. He said they have situations there, and now I know they're not specialists in burns. So he told me to go straight to Titlán and then go to Valbuena. So his partner was there, he was still on the road, and he was playing the horn, and I was already burning,

and I remember that I was just going, I guess I was calmer, I was already feeling the air, and with the air I didn't feel the burn so much. I got to Valbuena, and I was on my own, and he told me, look, that's the entrance, and he said, call me. And as I entered the hospital, I do remember that, I don't know what people are there, but I do remember a lot of people who started to follow me.

You are one of the first, he is the first, the first, and a little chaos was made there. And there was a person asking me questions on one side and another person, and now I know that one was from the DA's office, so I go in and they start like, oh, this is the first one, the first one, and it starts to make like a noise.

So I take them to the bed, they lay me down, I remember that there were, well, they surrounded me like 10 people, it was between people with a bat, I don't know what their specialty was. And they take my clothes off, put a sheet on me, and they start to put... To heal.

Yes, yes, practically, I don't remember everything.

You go to hospitals because it's where you identify where you're really going to need help. Of course. Who were you thinking of? Were you thinking of the help you could give to the burned or the families of the burned? necesitar ayuda. Claro. ¿En quienes pensaban ustedes? ¿Pensaban en la ayuda que les pueden dar ustedes a los quemados o a los familiares de los quemados? ¿O dónde se centraba la ayuda? ¿O de qué forma ustedes querían ayudar? Ok, como te

comento, desafortunadamente yo vivo en una parte intermedia entre donde fue la explosión y está el hospital, los hospitales donde estuvieron llevando a la gente. Entonces pues conocemos la situación que a veces no hay ni un curita. the hospitals where they were taking people. So we know the situation, that sometimes there is not even a cure. So really the answer was to see what was needed. What the hospital needed to help people.

Because besides attending to a burned person is something much more specific. Sure, and well we know that it is not like they come in and out, it is not a long process. So we were already mentalized that it was going to be a process and

apart from that, he was giving help to the relatives, that is, it was internal and external. You get to the hospital and unlike all the stories we have heard of, I got to the explosion or I lived it from the inside, what was it that you lived in the hospitals? Because I imagine that by that time, they were just arriving some, what was the environment like? What did it transform into? The environment was a lot of tension, too much uncertainty, and the pain could be appreciated.

The families were, well, with the uncertainty of what quality their patients were going to be. Obviously, they gave themselves the idea because of the magnitude of what they were... of what we were all seeing in the news and in the networks. So, that's when they started to form lists and people were coming in, but in reality, if I may summarize it, it was despair and you felt pain.

Did you see doctors outside waiting? Did you see simply police officers taking care of the entrance? What did you see? outside waiting? Did you see police officers just guarding the entrance? What did you see? How was the environment? When I arrived, there were obviously a lot of relatives, many, many. Everyone was asking about their family's health. Obviously, they wouldn't let anyone in. ingresar a nadie y la verdad es que si los doctores estaban movidos movidos en

recibiendo a todos los afectados a los quemados. Entonces empiezan a llegar los los cuerpos los ingresan hasta el fondo o pasan de repente las camillas frente a ustedes. Directamente a urgencias, urgencias es told you about, the hospital of Boca 7, Urgencias is seen from the door, inside there are 15 steps, so if there was the sight of everyone. You could see what were the main characteristics of the people who entered,

that is, where the burns were mainly, were they all over the body? They were general. They were general. Yes, and really of very large magnitudes. It was... How can I say it?

It was sad to see the way... or the situation that people were in. It really was something that shook everyone. So, the degree of burns, I don't know much Realmente si fue algo que arrasó a Sifun con todos, entonces el grado de quemaduras yo no conozco mucho

clínicamente ni médicamente pero... No dudabas que eran de tercer grado me imagino. No y aparte te puedo decir que la mayoría llegaba con el 70% arriba del cuerpo de quemaduras La ropa se deshacía. Si claro, llegaba, había gente que llegaba con la ropa pegada con la ropa pegada y The clothes were undone? Yes, of course. There were people who came with their clothes stuck together. With their clothes stuck together and the dermis was lifted and the layers of fat and white skin were seen. Something very ugly, really heartbreaking. Could the faces of the people be identified? identificar los rostros de las personas? No, no, no la gente perdió características

físicas obviamente pues ya no contaban con pelo algunos por los minutos que había pasado comenzaban a hincharse entonces si no había forma de reconocer a alguien en específico si no era mediante alguna There was no way to recognize someone specifically if it was not through a specific characteristic. But in reality, the bodies were not recognizable at the time. Everyone looked like the same person. Hey, and there were people who maybe weren't involved because they weren't there, but they came looking for their relatives.

Oh yeah.

How was that part? What did they say? What did they ask? How did all this take place? Well, look, a lot of people did come very desperate. It's not for the least, right? Sure. Many people got there very desperate. It's not for the least. You don't know anything about your family. As I told you, both in social media and in the official media, there were firecrackers, explosions.

So all the people who got there, they would say, hey, haven't you seen a girl like this, like this? They would show you pictures. In fact, a student, who unfortunately passed away, chica así así así te mostraban fotos este hecho un estudiante este que desafortunadamente falleció llegó una persona preguntar hoy es que iba a la escuela no lo han visto y pues era difícil reconocerlos porque tú ves una

foto y ves a la persona pues sana saludable versus lo que nos tocó ver y jole lo carbonizado el cabello este no sé si ocupaba lentes o alhajas fundidos era muy complicado no y también comunicarse con las los lesionados para preguntarles un nombre ellos seguían repitiendo lo mismo donde estoy qué paso tengo calor They kept repeating the same thing, where am I? What happened? I'm hot. Mojame, por favor, estoy que ardo, mojame. And I say, that's not good to do in situations of big burns because we cause hypothermia.

So it was difficult because you didn't have a clear answer. And another thing, well, it wasn't very clear where we had to refer them. Look, in this department they will tell you. The list of people involved, where they went, was not well done yet. I think that was the most difficult thing for the relatives of those who were involved, and it is still difficult.

I hope there are no missing people. I imagine there are. But it's very complicated because you don't have those answers. And maybe you did have contact with the patient, but for one or another situation, you don't remember. I imagine that in this panorama there were people who did know what had happened. I don't know, maybe one or the other did, because it was very fast. panorama había gente que sí sabía lo que había sucedido no sé de repente uno que otro tal vez sí porque fue muy rápido es los vídeos que el trailer y de repente sale la explosión está muy muy rápido la verdad pero me gustaría preguntarte si

algunas personas sentían tal cual que se iban a morir te decían algo a ti se despedían que sucedía en este en esta parte si de Did they feel like they were going to die? Did they say anything to you? Did they say goodbye? What was happening in this part? Yes, in fact, a man of about 80 years, approximately, that's what I calculated, of the third age, was first put on a stretcher,

to give him attention, but he was practically a patient, that time, he was in a state of paralysis, he no longer responded, we continued and another unit of another corporation arrived, with a team a little more suitable for critical patients, they mentioned to us, hey, get him up, we handle it, but the last thing, the difficult thing about this job is that we have to work a lot with death.

And it is inevitable to see the dead in the eye.

When they were attending you, it was already in its last moments. That's right. How many people died? I think at least 4 or 5 people. Who were attending

Yes, because of the condition of the injuries they were incompatible with life More than anything because when you get involved in a situation where there is gas and it gets on fire, you inhale it so you suffer from burning of your airway

So, when you inhale the fire, you burn inside. Especially if you burn your airway. You can't breathe properly. And you die. So that's difficult because you see it in school, you see it in books.

But when you see it in real patients, it's complicated. Because they don't prepare you to see this.

Totally. When you are there, when the bodies are arriving, who do you approach to know what is needed or where can you support? Or how is this whole situation going to move? Ok, I approach and I speak directly to the people. As I was telling you, there was tension, sadness, a lot of despair

for the people who were in the family. We know that this is not new. Obviously, the attention in the hospitals, from the beginning, is not very pleasant. They are not friendly at all, so to speak. So I approached the people,

and I did it know that if they needed any help, any transfer, any ambulance, any medication, that if their patient needed an intervention or a transfer to a particular hospital, that they would count on me and that I would run with the expense. What did the people tell you? What were the first aid you started to give? The first thing we gave was economic. A lot of people told us that they were going to be fired from their jobs,

that they had to go pick up kids from school, that they hadn't eaten. So at that moment, the aid began to be given in a direct economic way, in front of everyone. But obviously a lot of people told us, hey, you can help me. You, how can you help me? So the answer was, obviously, in what was within our reach. Because sometimes, even if you want to, the authorities don't allow you to get involved beyond that. Yes. Hey Dan, I'm going to ask you, and maybe this isn't the best time to ask you,

but I don't doubt that there are people who have benefited.

Too many.

People were going despite seeing the situation of what was happening. Did you feel that there were people who wanted to take advantage of it or take advantage of this? Yes, of course, it happened to me. I have recorded four cases that I documented. From the first day that I came to give financial aid, obviously we started giving money to people.

And from one family, 7 people were given. So at that moment, while I was giving out financial aid, I sent my daughter, named Elena Rivera, I sent her to buy water, diapers, towels, things that were needed at the time. And people were throwing their diapers and towels, things that were necessary at the time. And people were throwing their diapers and everything,

the water, I mean, that's what they were for, but it was really like a rapine. There are ways. Yes, of course, yes, and the case that was very serious for me on the first day was where the seven people from the same family came to me to ask for help. And it was a lady who approached me and told me, Hey, I know what you're doing, you're doing it from the heart.

I say, but I do want to tell you that those seven people all come from the same family. And you had already helped them? Yes, they had already been granted help. The thing is that we do not condition it, right? to be as equitable as possible to the greatest number of people. Wow. What happens? What are those basic needs? Maybe the first degree burns, maybe they require more minimal attention, let's say, compared to a person who is already in a critical state.

What is it that you see? What did the patients regularly need? And what did these patients needed perhaps with characteristics of much more serious burns. Ok, mainly what they were requiring in the hospitals was surgical material, healing material, gauze, bandage, some ointments or ointments that are special for burns that at the time I did not know about, and well what one could contribute but

regularly it was things that had to do with that, not specifically, obviously we could not take meds, but it was pure surgical medication and specialized in burns. Sure, and the people who needed more things, because you at some point told me that you rented well, you rented, I don't know how it is six ambulances to help move people. How was that part? When I moved to the hospital

I have a girl I trust that I call my angel because she has helped me a lot in this donation path and she has been a great angel, that has been for me. I called her and I said, hey him how he saw it from that side.

He said, Dan, people are being taken away in trucks, in the vans. And I have the photos. I said, Dan, people are being taken away in whatever they can. And I said, contact the person you know from the ambulances and tell me what to do. It was very fast, the truth is that the man I'm going to put his name, he doesn't like it, but also many blessings for him, he got

up to speed and told us what they need so much, ok Dan, I have four large emergencies and two normal ones, I send them to you, send them to me. And the ambulances took about 20 minutes to arrive.

Ok, yes.

What were the stories you heard? What did people tell you? I was passing by, we were doing this. What were those stories that you... A boy who was waiting for his transport, who says he arrived late to a date he had, esperando su transporte el cual dice que llegó tarde a una cita que tenía iba de

regreso a casa se quedó esperando el transporte y de repente se escuché que algo tronó sentí que me ardía la piel y después ya estaba quemado pero no te acercaste no sólo estaba mirando hacia la dirección de mi transporte Hay gente que ni se enteró de lo que sucedió. Así es. También otra persona que afortunadamente se encuentra estable en el hospital, cuando yo la estaba atendiendo, me contó que justo había discutido con su pareja

y se arrepentía bastante de eso en esa situación, his partner and he repeated that a lot in that situation, which is all we can say, we have to keep calm and things will happen. But it was shocking because no one imagined it, how we can think about it, today we are and in a while who knows. I imagine there were burned people, but maybe there were people who suffered extra injuries to that, or people who... I don't know, because of seeing everything that is happening, some nervous breakdown, I don't know.

What was the overview you observed in general of everything that was presented? Well, look, I was touched by two older adults who, by squirting them, that is, metal remains of the explosion, were injured. One was injured in the ankle and the other in the forearm. They generated cuts, I imagine.

Yes, yes, because as that comes out flying at high speed, that also generated wounds, apart from the burns, the wounds. People who were intoxicated by inhaling this hydrocarbons, That also generated injuries, apart from the burns, people who were intoxicated by inhaling hydrocarbons, in this case, that generates that they faint very quickly, even that they feel dizzy, nauseous.

In fact, one of my colleagues experienced that, because he got too close to the smoke and started to get dizzy. This is post-traumatic. That was something that during and after the emergency I observed both in emergency personnel and in people who live near that area. He is post-traumatic. The lost sight,

that expressionless face, it is very characteristic of when you see complex events or events. So, to date, I have seen some people who were at the event who continue with, above all, sequels of sleep. They can't sleep well, they feel tired. I mean, this is more of a psychological treatment, but the wounds go beyond the burns and scars that these injuries can leave. Did the baby and the mother survive?

Yes, fortunately. Well, the video that was recognized was on TikTok, I think, where they uploaded it. Someone shared it, in fact my wife saw it, she told me, look, there you are. And I did ask her, hey, don't tell anyone about the baby, because the last thing I knew about the baby was when I gave it to the helicopter to take it. After that I didn't know if she was going to go to a hospital or another.

So my wife told me, let me ask, and a few minutes later apparently the brother of the wife of this Janeth, I think her name is Janeth, the mother, who indicated that they were stable

and that they were in the National Rehabilitation Institute, but that was the last thing I knew, that they were stable, and well, a few days ago, that probably Joneth's birth was postponed due to this issue of burns. Possibly it is postponed?

Yes.

Ok.

Yes, yes, as I told you, it's complex because it's not just a skin injury, right? I mean, she was pregnant and it also complicates the pregnancy and increases the risk of her baby. I have a very marked one from a neighbor of mine who died on the streets of my home. He went to leave, very close to where the explosion was, there is a private university. And under the bridge, there is a return, so he just took the return, left his daughter, he lowered her, to enter the university, and advanced, I don't know, a minute, of contact with the son of the lady in red who is going down.

In fact, we had the opportunity to help the boy. Also in that case, it was very recorded because the boy was ... Is that recorded, right? Yes, I have it. What happened to her? chico estaba está grabado sobre si lo tengo que es que pasó que pasó con ella la señora ya falleció pero el chico estaba aquí y no traía teléfono no

traía nada no sabía cómo avisarle a su familia lo que había pasado entonces pues lo ayudamos pero ya después me regresó la llamada para pues agradecerme la ayuda pero que me había informado que su mamá ya había I wanted to thank him for the help, but he had told me that his mother had already passed away. Things like the babies. Which babies? The police officer. I have a picture, not many people have it.

The person I sent to help with the ambulances took a picture where you can see how the police is carrying the baby. And it's something very hard. Most of the people who were there were doing their daily work. There were people who... the case of the boy from the talacheria. What happened to him? Where was he? It's the boy who is lying on the grass, screaming, I can't see. He had just done a service.

And he had the habit that when he didn't have work or free time, he would lie down on the grass. So he had five minutes that he had been lying on the grass and the explosion happened. And the boy looks ugly. I dare say that more than 90% of burns on his body.

How terrible.

Yes, and in what they are recording that video, many people are appreciated. 7, 8, 10, I don't know. But it was a horrible, horrible situation. I can tell you a thousand cases, but especially those of my neighbor, the one with the baby, the one with the lady who gets out of the truck, and others with whom we have had contact with some of the relatives.

We don't help in all cases, but in the majority of the cases we could. And the girl with the tattoo. What happened with the girl with the tattoo? Who was it? I think it was a famous photograph of a girl who was not distinguished from absolutely nothing. Yes, it is correct. The girl lived in a situation of street and obviously what you told me a while ago, you asked me about the explosion and the burns the physical features of the people were not appreciated, so this girl was in the hospital and unfortunately lost her life. I arrived the first time I hospital y lamentablemente perdió la vida yo llegué la primera vez que yo pregunté por ella fue un día antes de que falleciera también tengo el video y me dijeron que pues que no me podían dar informes

porque no era un familiar directo y bla bla bla no desistí como ese caso se me quedó muy clavado seguimos ayudando en otros hospitales y en algún momento me entero que la chica ya había fallecido In that case, I was left very stuck. And... We kept helping in other hospitals, and at some point I found out that the girl had already died. This girl that I'm telling you about, became very viral because of a tattoo that she had that said, Laurel. So, I found out, at this time I was already managing a bigger team of donors, of my team that was helping me. So I would leave people in the hospitals and I would say,

hey, if you know something, if there is someone to help, let me know and we will send you the resource. Because we were even donating funeral services, free of charge, obviously. So people would tell me, here is a stop, here is a transfer.

They would tell me everything, right a stop here, there's a transfer. They would tell me everything. I was aware of four hospitals, the 53, the 53, the Jose Maria Morelos and Pavón, the Magdalena de las Salinas, where the girl was, and another one. And then everyone would tell me what was happening.

They would tell me, hey, someone died. Hey, this. So when I found out that the girl was dying, well, obviously I am aware that she has no family. And the first thought that came to my head was, well, we are going to claim the body to be able to give her a Christian burial, if she has no family.

So I went, obviously they didn't want to give it to me. There they confirmed to me that the girl had already died, no tiene familia entonces acudí obviamente no me lo hicieron entrega ella me confirmaron que la chica ya había fallecido pero que estaba en calidad desconocida porque no tenía familiares no sabían nada lo único que sabían era lo del tatuaje entonces este arme un equipo y yo mandé a los donadores otro lado yo me enfoque en lo de la chica y estuvimos peleando el cuerpo alrededor de 10 días a prox porque no lo and we were fighting for about 10 days.

Approximately.

Because no one identified him, no family claimed him. No one came out. What did the hospital say? That unfortunately if at a certain point the family didn't show up, the girl was going to go to the common grave. Ok, 10 days had already passed.

Approximately.

And what happened? We didn't give up. I was going to different instances. The answer was the same. You're not a direct relative. You asked for the body?

Yes, of course. The intention was always to recover the body. With what purpose? With the purpose of giving him a worthy burial. Ok. That was the only purpose.

I'm not saying, as I tell many people, Okay. We talked 3 or 4 times. I have a brother who is a lawyer. He told me, Brother, I'm sorry to inform you that it's going to be very hard for you to get it. You have no connection, you have nothing. The government can't give you a body like that. Take it. So, days later I found out that the family had already been located. What happened? Why didn't the family show up? I mean, it, son 10 días aproximadamente sin saber de la familia. Es extraño. Claro. Lo que yo platicé con ellos directamente es que ella no vivía en su casa. Estaba aquí en la Ciudad de México y bueno, obviamente por respeto a ellos, no quiero ampliar mucho la historia.

Por respeto. Y por respeto a Lau. Entonces, me comentaron algunas circunstancias porque ella estaba distanciada de su casa. and with respect to Lau, they told me some circumstances because she was far from home, but they were always in the best disposition to help her, to look for her, I know, they have shown me with evidence that the family was always aware of her, but obviously she took other paths, ended up in indigence and that's where the explosion took him. So, because he was in indigent mode, they lost contact with her.

It's very difficult to give a person any segmentation. They gave up and well, it was a while later, the authorities, it was for a video that I uploaded. That they found it? Yes, I thank the people who help me share, but other issues are handled, I respect at the end of the day I think the end was the same, they say that the authorities found the family, of course, always, so this the end was that, the family contacts the authorities. What does the family see? They saw the tattoo. Yes, that's the only reason they recognized her.

There was no other characteristic other than that. And a very small tattoo on her ankle, but they didn't know she already had it.

Sure.

That's the only reason for the tattoo.

It's complicated.

Yes, and that's when we learned she had a name, a last name, and a family. And now we know that it responds to the name of Laura Lorena Barrera de la Torre, originally from Guadalajara, from Capilla de Milpillas, Jalisco, to be exact.

Okay.

Hey, Dan, and, well, there are some stories that fortunately can reach a happy ending, others reach a tragic ending, and there are stories that I imagine are still developing, that we don't know exactly what the ending will be.

But what has happened to these patients, to these burned people who arrived at the hospitals, and who are still not discharged? What has happened to them? What do you know? Ok, from what we know, from the knowledge we have of the people we have out there, they are still in treatment. In fact, the government is already 100% on that. But obviously the first 2 or 3 days they are in a curve.

It is not something that our hospitals or health systems are capable of. We are not Swiss, as someone would say. Exactly. So, the attention that is being given to them, the government has already taken care of everything. Medically, legally, and well, from the outside too. They are helping them a lot, the government is already in the tents. The first days were chaos, we brought a lot of food and it was like that in half an hour.

But something very funny happened, you know? I was telling my team, we went the first day to distribute, already at night, in the early morning, after we had seen the transfer and all that. We went to distribute food, the second day too, it was crowded with people.

And to get to a hospital, there were rows of up to 20 cars. I mean, everyone full of food. The town was very supportive. hospital había filas hasta de 20 carros todos lleno de comida el pueblo se solidarizó mucho si yo me atrevo a decir que esta vez el pueblo se levanta al pueblo entonces yo le dije a mi equipo vamos a esperarnos un poquito porque ahorita todos traen como que el auge perdón de que quieren ayudar

vamos a esperarnos a que se les pase y así fue a la gente no digo que se los We were going to wait for them to pass, and that's what happened. I'm not saying that they forgot, but obviously everyone resumed their activities. And four or five days later, the food wasn't enough. And that's when we started helping again. But a lot of people joined. The government already took over everything. So, yes, for a while now, they are taking care of everything.

But at first, the truth is, no. Well, look, I think I have the image of... Of course, we can stand out in Mexico City, well, at the national level, because we are very helpful. And I say, I am very grateful that many people gave us... They gave us a hand, right?

That was a good part and a bad part, because the good part is that they help, the bad part is that they put themselves at risk. So that was also a big factor when we evaluated everything that happened after the situation,

we realized that many people got injured or put themselves at risk just for getting into the scene. To help. Those heroes. That's right. Yes, it's very complex. And well, more than anything, I say, we have to thank the population that had that empathy to be able to assist,

to be able to follow the indications, because that's true, when this situation of moving patients ended, people were very cordial when following the indications, giving way, giving space to emergency vehicles, even offering us water, assisting people who were also in crisis. That was something quite admirable for the people who are there near the bridge. And also for the volunteer people who arrived, because many volunteers did arrive. People who were at their work and said, I'm going, and they arrived in an office worker's shirt and how can I help you?

So that's something to be recognized. There are many theories about what could have happened. They talked about a car with excess speed that couldn't be controlled, they talked about a crash. What did the people who saw it say? Well, look, at first, everyone said that the operator was to blame. The operator.

And I say, it's a delicate issue because if you're a driver, the safety of the steering wheel depends on you. However, we are not alien to other situations such as the tire failure, that the vehicle is not in good condition, even the weather conditions. What I saw later in Facebook videos and on different platforms

is that apparently they lost control and fell. There I also observe something that is a little scary, which is that when people see this kind of situation, they get closer. Exactly. Unfortunately, we have a lot of ignorance.

We have a lot of ignorance. We have a lot of ignorance of, we don't know the magnitude of the risk that there may be, but curiosity incites us to get closer, right? So in the videos you can see that even cars want to beat the gas. When the duty is to keep a distance and now if you can, go back where you came from. But in the videos you can still see back to where you came from. But in the videos you can still see how the cars pass, even people get out to record.

And that's bad, because as I was saying a moment ago, the positive is that people helped. The negative is that they were exposed too much. And many of them were seriously injured by this situation, since ignorance often generates this kind of behavior. I know that hundreds of thousands of people will watch this video, and I would like you to give us some advice. I hope we never have to be in a situation like that,

but you said before, don't get close, especially when there are these types of trucks that bring a product that is easily flammable, the risk is very high. If it's a passenger truck or something, it's a little more viable to get closer to help. But what to do if someone is burning? What is the protocol? If someone is burning, what do I do? If someone is burning, first you have to measure the risk of a burn. It's very different to burn yourself with the stove, putting your hand on the stove and saying, oh, I burned myself,

to burn yourself with the boiler that exploded in your face. One for the area. Dangerous burns are in the face, genitals, in the thorax, throat, folds. These are burns that are considered serious and Well, if it's a large extension, let's say more or less the size of your arm, to start with, cover the area. Cover them? Yes, the burns should not get wet, because as I was telling you a moment ago, our skin is like a sweater,

we lose that sweater, so we are exposed, therefore we start to get heat in the form of radiation. We lose heat. What happens if I add water to it? I get colder. So I can get hypothermia. Second, the water is not disinfected. It is tap water and it can be contaminated. We can get an infection from it too. In addition to that, many people sometimes think it's a sandwich or something

and put eggs, put cream, put... You don't put anything on a burn, more than covering it, right? And in the event of being possible, go to a hospital for the interventions to be done. Cover it even if it involves the skin sticking to a bandage.

That's right.

That's right. The ideal thing would be to have special bandages, right?

Or even vaseline the bandages.

So, you can put vaseline and you can bandage.

And you can bandage. It would be something ideal to get to a hospital.

Toothpaste?

No.

No, never, never.

It's cold too. And it contains chemicals, eucalyptus, it contains other components that are harmful to the skin, they irritate it. So that can cause other people to get injured.

That is, a burn is not only skin burn, but it involves other types of areas, such as blood vessels, and it can cause not a major problem. We also have to take into account if the person is suffering from a chronic disease,

for example, a hypertension or diabetes, it is even more complicated to treat a burn. So, the approach that a common person could do to an injury due to a burn would be to cover it and go to a hospital in case it's an extensive burn. If it's a burn, for example, like the sun, we expose ourselves to the sun, red skin, it burns, it gets inflamed, you can see some creams like those that are for sable,

they can alleviate the situation, but they are more complex burns, since there are blisters, there is white skin, those are more serious burns. It is not for anything in the world to add something, maybe vaseline, so that the gauze or the bandage does not stick, wrap it and go to a hospital. Because as I mentioned, they are very complex wounds. And the fact of wanting to manipulate them in an incorrect way

can put us at risk, not only life, but maybe aesthetics. That we have a very bad scar there, or generate a genetic problem, like a serious infection. And above all, don't leave children near risky things like a stove, hot plates, because that has happened. Now, what I was asking you, these are people who got burned. But there are times, and we've seen a lot of videos,

of people who are burning at the moment and people grab a jacket and start hitting them. What is the most correct thing? Well, look, yes, there is a little truth in that. It would really be to cover it until the fire is mitigated. Obviously, there is a lot of the question that, hey, the ember is burning.

Well, in the supposed that the ember is burning and you irrigate someone, that is, you water them, you must first have something to dry it with. If you don't have something to dry it with, then don't go for that alternative of pouring water on it to turn it off, because, as I mentioned,

we can cause more damage than benefit. When we, for example, put something on top of the clothes that are burning, we cut off the oxygen and we make the fire practically lose combustion. For fire to exist, there has to be oxygen.

Exactly. So that's why it's indicated that they are covered, not so much that they are watered. And also know what substance is producing this damage, because there are chemical burns, there are burns as we saw from combustion, there are burns from radiation,

there are burns from friction, for example, falling off the bike on the pavement, that can cause a friction injury. So, as you mentioned a moment ago, another situation to avoid risks is to have that touch to try to visualize what risk a situation can put in me, because if a passenger truck turns around and I'm running, I can join in useful, call 911 for example, give the correct location, indicate resources that can be requested, I need firefighters because there is active fire, I don't need a patrol so much, but I need firefighters to put out the fire,

that's what people should visualize more when they want to assist a situation. visualizar más a la hora de querer asistir a una situación. Pues ahí están los consejos. Esto me recordó y nada más a manera de recomendación en el podcast de El Sistema hay un capítulo dedicado a mexicanos que estuvieron de paseo turístico en Egipto y que por una confusión fueron atacados con misiles en medio del desierto and that due to a confusion, they were attacked with missiles in the middle of the desert, then with bursts from helicopters and later chemical weapons, for a long time.

There are some survivors and they gave their testimony, and precisely this part of the chemical weapons is because everything breathes you know and it starts to destroy you and burn inside is in the system I recommend them I leave here the thumbnail so that you can see it

if you want the diagnosis is that on the left arm were second-degree deep injuries and in the right side, they were of a second degree of superficial. It's normal that a burn at that moment causes your body, the biology of our body, to start to dehydrate, and we started to suffer a dehydration because we were in the heat and all that. So, they immediately put me on serum,

they told me that I was probably going to need an injection. When I got there and they started doing the treatments, I remember that I screamed a little because they started to take off with isodine, I think it's this one, this one, this one, like salsa maggi color, I don't know, it's a weird color. They started to rub me.

With iodine? Yeah, but I didn't feel anything. They used two bottles in my arms. They put a base on it. What's that for?

To disinfect.

Something like that. I did feel a burn, but I said, I'm with the doctors. It hurt more than the normal burn. And they started with the gauze. With the gauze full of that formula,

to scrape, but scrape like that, and they told me, you have to hold on, because that's the beginning, this is going to be painful, so it does burn a lot, and right there they were explaining to me,

calm down, if it hurts, it's good, I remember that one of the doctors, a guy from the Polytechnic, he said, if it hurts, it's good.

It's your nerves.

It means they're not third degree. If it hurts, he said, thank you. They're the most painful, but thank you. It means you're okay. It was an impressive pain. They took it away.

That's when I saw the injury was serious. I still saw bl wounds and blood. That's when they took me away and I could see that my arm was peeled off. It looked like... I'm sorry to say it like that, but it looked like beef. It looked like red and white. It looked weird. It didn't look like the muscle damage, but it did look weird.

Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, I was there. Inside the hospital, I had an operation, that's what they call it. It was a surgical seizure. For this, they had to completely anesthetize me. I signed my, they call it four pictures of what can happen with anesthesia. So I signed them and I was in the hospital for a week and two days.

I signed the sheet and they did a surgical examination. They put me to sleep and when I woke up, I felt the burn and I was practically bandaged. What they told me is that at the time of the first treatment, they told me, you're probably going to need an injection. The second day, they forced me to clean, the doctors, and they told me, it looks serious. Because I told them, move your fingers, and I literally,

when I moved my fingers, I felt like pain. I mean, I felt how it moved and I felt a lot of pain in my arm. They told me, you're probably going to need it. And I started asking questions, where do you get it from? And they said, it's from the calf or the gluteus. And I said, well, that's going to be evaluated. So, that's it.

What they did to me was that operation. And I have an appointment so that they can check me, and re-evaluate me. And I think that we should completely discard the injection. Hopefully.

Hopefully. It went well.

Dan, you live close to there. What are the damages that today a person, a neighbor from that area can see, unlike how it was before? Today you come by and it's not the same.

No.

What is different? What looks different? What is it? How is the environment appreciated? The first thing that comes to mind is sadness. The second, obviously, is the fire. It's devastated. The grass is totally charred. The trees look like charcoal. It's real. And you can breathe a sadness atmosphere, a lot of sadness. All the people that pass by... I don't know, it's weird. Everyone keeps silent.

In that section, the only thing people do is keep quiet and turn around. Right now there is nothing in that place. I can say that it is a dead end.

It is an empty circle.

Sure.

Yes, there are many offerings and that kind of increases the sadness, but it is really a dead end. People pass by and everything is like that. Do you think people are afraid to go through there? Yes. That something similar happens again or is it just sadness? It's sadness. It's sadness for what happened, obviously, at the point the accident happened, but that it happens again, well, obviously I don't think it will happen again.

And a little while ago, I don't know if you saw the videos from here, I lived around there before, a pipe exactly the same, you can see the same white good that you touch that point. At some point I also think that this was generated of such magnitude by a little unconsciousness. Yes, we do not have that, that education, that if we see something, to stop or something. There were cars that were passing by. Yes, pass by before it closes and no longer passes. Yes, the gas was literally coming out, as you say. You could see the curtain and the cars. Unfortunately, we lived in a hurry. So it was also a bit of a lack of consciousness of the people.

Many people, when the pipe turned, they called him, right? They were gossip. So that also had a lot to do with it. I'm not saying they provoked him, but obviously it had a lot to do with it. So, we can handle it a little bit, because of the unconsciousness. Something that happened to me, that you know because you are a neighbor from there. Ok, look, I'll tell you, a while ago you were asking me, sorry,

about people from outside the family. There are people who come from outside. Obviously they have to stay outside the hospitals to receive any medical report. There are people who are sitting on the bench, people who are in the sun, people who are caught in the water. So the situation is just ugly inside, also outside. The family also suffers. There is also, how do I explain it to you, the pain is generalized, because both the one who is outside and the family member who is inside

breathe in hospitals. You can see, it is not free to go to a hospital, but a different environment is breathed. This fact, a different breathe a different atmosphere. The family, there are families that are very bad. And I speak of everything in the economic, in the moral, all that.

So that's why we try to put a little help, to do more or less that. Have you crossed the bridge again?

Yes.

What was that feeling? You live over there, I imagine.

Yes, the truth is that my eyes were filled with tears. I mean, I didn't want to be sad. I'm someone who, like any other person, has suffered from strong depressions. And at that moment, I didn't cry, but I did have tears in my eyes. I thought, what's going to happen to you? How dare you do the things you haven't done?

Before this, it was a topic for my life. I went through one of the longest depressions of my life. I did have a severe depression. I had the longest depression of my life. After all that was happening, I was incorporating myself into my activities, what I do in the company, I think about it and I say, I don't think it was a test, but it seemed like a test.

I only thought about how many things I haven't dared to do, how many hugs I haven't given, how many apologies I haven't asked for. A lot of things come to mind and that's what I thought.

I think there are a lot of things that I haven't done in my life and that I want to want to dare and start. Thank you very much Juan Luis, without a doubt a very strong story what you had to live. I know that as you say, maybe you didn't have to be down there, but really to live that hell that happened, and you didn't have to be so close, for how strong it was. I thank you very much, thank you for opening your heart and opening this wound, without a doubt, that will leave you marked for your whole life. Thank you very much.

Thank you very much for the invitation, and well, I think there are always new opportunities. I am of the thought that in eternity, whatever happens, if we believe in it, we can always start over and be thankful for what we are living. I think one of the thoughts I had inside the hospital was that in the end, nobody cares. I think we are here to enjoy, you know, as things are, to have acceptance and well, thank you very much.

No, thank you. Hey Juan Luis, taking advantage of nothing else, well, unintentionally, I already knew you from Shark Tank, from this program, you are an entrepreneur, businessman, I don't know if you want to leave your social media, the company's social media or something like that, so that there are people who will probably get this video, so they can also take advantage of it, so they know what you are doing.

Ok, thank you very much. Well, it's like J Lou Barber, it's J, Lou together, Barber.

All the social media are like that, I want to thank you for coming here, for sharing a little bit of what you did knowledge, also of what to do, and also for the work, you know? Thank you very much. For the work you do, your colleagues and all those people who participated in the rescue, in the help and in everything that is necessary for all those affected. Thank you very much from the bottom of my heart. I think it is also valid to recognize when things are being done well. I have many friends in civil protection because I had to work for a long time for municipalities in Chiapas. And those in civil protection were the ones who helped me move because we went to areas where we had to go down a hill 700 meters or we had to go up, we had to do a thousand things and they were always on the lookout.

Suddenly they didn't rest as they should. Sometimes they stop. They don't have the salaries they should. So, my recognition, because they are perhaps those government workers who put their lives at risk and that we don't recognize it in public recognition and in the economic part and I hope that all this work and this podcast can reach people's ears and that they can say it's true, we have to support a little more. Thank you very much. Thank you very much, Eric.

I thank you very much for the opportunity. As you mentioned, it's a job that you live from everything. It's like a Hollywood movie, sometimes, day to day. With floods, with fires, with whatever.

But we thank you very much for the opportunity you give have to wear the uniform and the responsibility.

Hey, thank you very much for the work you are doing. It is the first time I have met a person who moves in that way in these situations. And also, surely there will be more people like you who always try to join in and support. So the recognition to who deserves it, compadán Rivera, thank you very much. If people want to follow a little more the work you are doing, where can they follow it? Of course, I thank you. My social networks appear as compadán Rivera, dan with double n,

like this, on TikTok and I don't know much social media, I don't know how to use them. But Facebook, TikTok, Instagram, Compa Dan Rivera. Just like that. And as I was saying, I'm a normal citizen. Not so much. My dream is to be a famous musician.

That's what we're doing. But right now we're helping them. And I think the purpose of this is to empathize a little with the people. Thank you, Dan. I thank you. And really, really, thank you because there are these spaces where you can tell the reality of what's going on. In the networks, a lot of things are handled, not so many died, more or less so many died.

So far there is a figure of 37 I think. I have counted with the people I have in the hospitals and with the contacts I have, 66. There are stories that are not told, there are stories that have not been told. There are people that no one claims, no one has claimed. We know who we are talking about, people who were in indigeneous, people who have passed by and are still looking for them. There are stories that have not been told.

But that is the purpose of this, to help. The number is always sought to be reduced for political purposes. Sure. And this happens even, as a curious fact, wait for the World Cup to come to Mexico and you will realize how the city ... You will not see anything but say, damn, there are no ... These people who for the government can represent an inconvenience or a bad look to the city,

as a sign that when you want to do things, you do, right? But the problem is how long they are going to give a space worthy of these people who require it? Dan, thank you very much. No, on the contrary, a pleasure. And count on us. I thank you very much and thank you for the invitation.

And well, thank all those people, those angels that came out at that moment, and all those layers that joined to help. Because it was a lot of people that helped May the Lord multiply them That's awesome, brother That's how it will be with you too I thank you

Friends, this was the chapter Thank you very much for staying until the end If you made it to the end, comment Pepe, I made it to the end What did you think? What do you think about the stories of our guests?

So thank you very much to everyone, because you are an incredible community that has supported us a lot in everything we have undertaken, in all the projects. Really, thank you very much. I feel very fortunate and very blessed, both for knowing that I have this beautiful community,

for the team I have and for the people around me. Thank you very much, people, for the support. And, well, this was one more episode más del podcast de Pepe y Chema. Recuerden todos que yo soy Pepe y también Chema y nos vemos la siguiente semana con un nuevo capítulo. Hasta luego. Amigos, les tenemos una super noticia. Estamos aquí la maestra Vilma, el doctor Jorge Olivares y Mitch Rodríguez de Anónimo

porque queremos decirle que este 30 de octubre a las 9.30 pm en la sala Pepsi Black and Mitch Rodriguez from Anonimo because we want to tell you that this October 30th

at 9.30pm

in the Pepsi Black room

in the Pepsi Center, the World Trade Center

in Mexico City we are going to have a live show the four of us are going to be there so we are going to love having you there it's going to be very exciting we are going to prepare everything

there will be confessions, there will be stories there will be interviews, there to be a little bit of everything. You can't miss it.

Okay.

See you there!

See you there! Tickets are already available, you can find them in the link in the description or in the first comment. We will be very happy to be there this Thursday at 9.30 atpm here in Mexico City. And soon, very soon, wait for the dates in Guadalajara and Monterrey. And next year, we'll see you all over the country.

Storytelling is the mystery. Storytellers for Nsys, Pepe and Chema, Anonymous.

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