Así INVESTIGADORES descubrieron al ASESINØ de su bebé de 10 meses y su MAMÁ: No fue un accidente

He thought he was going to get away with it, but he didn't have the experience and expertise of the Colombian police, nor did he have the experience of the prosecution. And he didn't have his own clumsyness and his own perversity that betrayed him. We are talking about Hugo Fernando Silva, 33 years old, who killed Karen Cecilia López, also 33 years old, and Luciano, the son of the two, only 10 months old, and made this happen as if it were a traffic accident Presidente de Transito a las tres de la mañana del doce de diciembre del año pasado, del dos mil veinticinco. Bueno, hoy les tenemos todos los detalles.

Tenemos aquí en el estudio a Belisario Balbuena, es uno de los más famosos criminólogos de América Latina. the most famous Latin American criminologists. We also have Aníbal Navarro, a forensic doctor with a lot of experience. We also have Jason Novoa, a criminal investigator. He carried out all this investigation. And also José Luis Higuera, chief of the Mobile Unit of Criminalistics of the Police Transit. They have the details of what happened and how they discovered it.

Gentlemen, thank you very much for being with us. Lieutenant, take us through this case. Where were you? What time was it?

And tell us about what was happening.

Well, this day of the events I was in the facilities of the transit station of Bogota. In the early hours, through the radio station, they inform us of a fact, of a transit accident where two people were found to be dead, a woman and a child of approximately one year. They indicate that the incident had occurred on 63rd Street, West-East direction, in front

of the Botanical Garden. and on the main separator of 63rd Street and some damage caused by a collision against a tree that is on the separator of this road.

And what was there?

In this place, inside the vehicle, you can see on the driver's side a lady, approximately 35 years old, conductor una señora aproximadamente unos 35 años 30 años quien se encuentra fallecida y en la parte de atrás del vehículo sobre la silla se encuentra un niño que está también y entonces que comienza a suceder ahí bueno se realizó la observación de los daños del vehículo What started to happen there? Well, we observed the damage to the vehicle

and we noticed that the group did not show any significant damage so that two people would have died in this place.

What did you see? What did you start to notice there?

Initially, the police of the block What did you see? What did you start to notice there? who was injured and was transferred to the Columbia Clinic. He was there because of his injuries that he had presented in the incident.

What damage did the vehicle present? And that began to arouse suspicions.

What did you begin to see?

The vehicle had some damage on its left front part. They were some minor damage to the fatality that had occurred. Inside the cabin where the driver and the child were, we did not observe any damage. So they started to realize that this did not match. We were suspicious since the damage that the vehicle presented was not for two people to have died immediately.

What was seen inside the lady who was supposedly driving?

The lady apparently did not present any injury. At first glance, we could not identify any injuries that were caused by the incident.

How was she inside the vehicle?

She was sitting inside the driver's cabin. We assumed that she was the driver. And her head was tilted to the back of his neck.

His head was tilted to the left shoulder.

Were there pieces of glass, was there something embedded? What was there?

No, at that time we did not observe that he had any injury. Later, when we began to perform the inspection of the body, in the movement that is made to remove the body, to place it on the track to take the photographs, we were able to see a constant injury in the neck. An injury in what place?

In the left part of the neck. At the time you arrived, you did not see it? on that usually occurs in a collision, in a traffic accident.

And what happened to that passenger? What did you do to him? When you arrived, he was no longer there?

When we arrived, he had already been transferred to the medical center, since he said he was injured. Before we arrived, first aid groups arrived, firefighters arrived, ambulances arrived.

And what happened next?

We did the inspection of the lady's body and we did the inspection of the child's body, which was also missing. How was he? The child was lying down, we call it in a dorsal position, it means that he was upside down, as people normally name it.

He was dead.

And what do you do?

What do you determine or what do you have to determine or you have to start suspecting. We suspect that the deaths of these two people had not occurred due to the traffic accident. And then? Together with the investigative unit, we began to carry out the investigations, to investigate what had happened.

And there you appear, Jason. What time did you arrive? What did you see?

Once the case is processed, the DA is informed that the person had a lesion in the carotid artery on the left side of the neck. He contacts the DA, the case is exposed. He indicates that a diligence must be carried out or advanced and to draw a methodological program.

Then the prosecutor issues some orders to the judicial police, which are some tasks typical of the judicial police, in order to guide the investigation to be able to establish the truth of the facts. As my chief lieutenant indicated, according to the injury this lady was presenting, it did not correspond to the dynamics of a road accident.

A study of the facts in coordination with the prosecution is being carried out and a methodological program is being drawn regarding the interviews both to Mr. Hugo, who at the time took the quality of victim he was never indicated by the judicial police why? because according to what was found in the place

apparently he accompanied the lady and is the victim of an accident. We are focused on the fact that a traffic accident is a different dynamic or perspective than when a person commits a crime with pain. The fault is the accident and the pain is when the person had the intention to commit the crime and then the person dies. In this case, the scene was assumed as an accident from the first moment, however, internally in coordination, the prosecutor, in his orders,

ordered to interview the victim initially, where he gives a version of the facts, he generates a traceability of the route that he makes for December 11, 2025, and the route that he makes in the hours of the night of December 12. The interview is made to Mr. Hugo, a relative of Mrs. Karen López is located and she tells us in her interview that they did not have, let's say, frequent contact, that the man that day of the events picked up the child at one in the morning because Karen had to go ahead with some personal matters in the center of Bogotá,

the issue of Christmas shopping. After that, in the interview with Karen's cousin, she tells us that she only communicated with her in the morning, where she told her that the baby Luciano was going to be shared with the father and the grandfather. Mr. Hugo arrived, picked up the baby, in effect, the taking into account the interviews that were held. And Mrs. Karen López leaves the house with him again and they go to

Engativá, where Mr. Hugo's father resides, who in fact I think is also called Hugo. So they get to that place and there he enters, parks the vehicle in the final part of that block, because it is a closed block. He lasts approximately an hour, hour and a half at that point, yes, and leaves.

And later is when the crash occurs. Then, video requests are made, more or less about 30 video requests. What did you find in those videos? is Karen Lopez. In fact, he gets out of the car, he gets in a red vehicle, a Mazda vehicle, and he gets out with the baby, with the chair. At night, he

arrives and picks up Mrs. Karen in the vehicle that had an accident. It wasn't the red truck? It didn't belong to the red truck. It was whose vehicle? It was established that the vehicle was of Mr. Hugo's sentimental companion.

Yes? Because the sentimental companion of his time. That vehicle picks up Mrs. Karen Lopez, they make a tour to get to Engativá, where Mr. Hugo's father lives. And when he enters, driving the vehicle, what is observed in these video fragments, about midnight. After that, it is seen that the vehicle enters, but we already get the camera's focus because this camera is a motion sensor it only captures the movements

and the rest is left without images let's say it like that after the vehicle enters the man comes back and appears in the video and he tries to enter the house but when he gets in he thinks he forgot something inside the house but then he remembers that it is not there, it is somewhere else.

So he does that maneuver and he heads towards the red vehicle, towards the Mazda that is parked in front of the house of the father. He enters and takes out some items, a bag, he is there for about five minutes inside the vehicle, manipulating and taking out some elements. And at that moment he was with Karen? According to the interview, what was planned for the interview, yes, because that was before he returned to Karen's house and caused the accident.

During this time, the baby was not seen anywhere?

No, Rafa, the baby was not seen because the focus of the camera was very limited. of analyzó y en efecto no se visualizó que él ingresara a la casa.

José Luis, el papá que dice? Que él entró? Que él ingresó? Que nunca ingresó?

No, el papá no dice que él haya ingresado a la casa el día de los hechos.

O sea que eran mentiras.

Probablemente.

¿Qué dijo él cuando lo entrevistaron?

¿Qué comienza a relatar? when he was interviewed. Let him begin. in I sold spare parts and I was going to be with the child.

I was going to be sharing with the child, Luciano. As if it were that easy. You have to breastfeed the mother or breastfeed the baby. It's not that easy to be with a baby for 10 months,

all day long, alone.

As if you could distract him doing who knows what. And what happens from there? is but a version given by Karen's mother indicates that he never arrived with the child there but he says that he took the child there

but in the cameras it was not seen that the child was there

the entrance was not well documented taking into account that the cameras in the day had good resolution document that damage the image projected by the camera. What is established after the father left the house

and the moment of the accident? What happened there?

What the accusers establish is that the baby had already died due to agitation. There is agitation of the baby, so let's say that he injures the spine and there he loses his life. The other theory, let's say, of the prosecution is that the man kills Mrs. Karen in the back of the vehicle, in that bay where Mr. Hugo's father resides. From there he manipulates the scene, washes the car, destroys the evidence by washing the car, the fluids, the...

They didn't exist at first sight. So, the last one, apparently with a weapon at the neck's height, in the carotid vein and this discussion is generated or not because the lady apparently finds that the baby is already like that, then the lady who gets upset and the boy, Hugo the last one with the weapon, moves her to the driver's seat. After, as we say, tying the cables, in the investigative part, he tilts the seat back. It's a mechanical car, and it requires space for you to move,

to maneuver the pedals. He sits the body in the driver's seat and he sits on top of the seat and drives to the place where the collision occurs. And that's where the accident happens.

Excuse me, so she was in the driver's seat, he was on top of her, and he takes the vehicle and crashes it, and then he moves to the other seat, and that's where she stays as if she were driving.

According to the theory of the case, which is supported by the prosecutor's office, it is likely that this happened.

And there we went with you, Aníbal. You had the opportunity to see the necropsies, both of the baby and of Kare. And according to what the investigators are saying.

What happened? What is there? Well, reviewing the necropsy medical reports that I was facilitated, there is something that catches my attention and that is the findings in the soft tissues in the internal part of the body, rather than the external part. Here, all the work they did is important. Why? Because they are talking about a traffic accident. They are saying that the injuries or the damage to the vehicle are small. When they do all this work and collect that first information and those versions of what happened, they are used to contrast them.

And then let's start with the case of the child, a 10-month-old child who is still suddenly learning to squat or taking its first steps and externally there are no injuries there is an internal injury at the level of the third and fourth cervical vertebrae that is very high in the neck

first they have some injuries that is a hematoma or a bleeding that is there, they speak that there is also a bleeding, they describe it technically as a hemorrhage, that is a bleeding in the layers that cover the brain and they describe it in the back of the brain, in this part of the head, back here and they do not describe more injuries in this child's body. Those of us who dedicate ourselves to studying forensic medicine, there is a chapter, a large chapter that we study, which is infantile maltratment, and within infantile maltreatment, there is another chapter, which is the baby's lullaby syndrome, where they take the baby, and usually they are these little children, and they make this movement,

taking them from the shoulders or from the arms, and they make this movement. And then the mechanics is very particular because there is a disproportion between the victim's body and the aggressor's body. And what happens? You make this movement and his head starts to make this movement.

What happens? The brain, when we are children and we are born we are born with an immature brain so that we can get an idea it is like a jelly or a pudding that can melt then it does not have all that reinforcement layer called myelin that gives it that hard consistency then llama mielina que le da esa consistencia dura entonces que sucede nacemos y nuestros cerebros son grandes y están sosteniéndose en una cantidad de líquido y nuestras cabezas son grandes y si se hace este movimiento brusco el cerebro

va y golpea regresa y golpea lesiones de golpe y de contragolpe entonces eso sucede en los niños y en esto de síndrome del niño zarandeado pero hay algo importante nos están diciendo es un accidente de tránsito cuando los que nos dedicamos a estudiar estos casos hay tres cosas que tenemos en cuenta en los niños en accidente de tránsito porque en los en los libros especializados de esto hay un capítulo There are three things that we take into account in children in a traffic accident, because in the specialized books of this, there is a chapter for the child's traffic accident. And there are three organs that are important. The brain, because when we are born we are big.

Second, two organs that we have very large in our body, the liver and the vessel. And it's important in a traffic accident because they're two organs with a lot of blood. And in traffic accidents, they're heavy organs that the body moves and these organs with so much blood are very heavy and with speed they become very heavy

and they usually explode or they usually tear in this case they do necropsy on him, both organs are fine, he only has a head injury here is something very important that they did recover or remove the child's eyes for a study that is done by a forensic pathologist. The eyes are made special and retinal hemorrhages are sought. This is still in process and will be very useful for the accusing entity to begin to give all the bases, that support to talk about a child sarandeado syndrome,

that with respect to the child, it is striking that he does not have injuries and that what happens when a child goes inside a vehicle is an object at least that he goes in a chair and that it is secured, it is an object that goes free and it is going to start to crash or it is going to start to hit. Against what? The board, the chairs, the limbs of other people, the gear lever, the windshield, and that produces injuries.

In this case, it is striking that the child does not have external injuries and referring to her also saw the necrosis with respect to her 33-year-old woman to us age is always important and the position in which I was then as a driver and what they describe and is very relevant is a 2-centimeter injury in the neck on the left side that damages the neck muscles such as platysma sternocleidomastoid and an artery that is important, left carotid artery.

What is the importance? That's where the blood goes to the brain. And it is an artery that handles a lot of blood, which has a pressure, it is as if we cut a hose with water, and the blood starts to come out everywhere. That's why it's important to inspect the vehicle.

Because with that injured artery, where is blood going to be found? All around.

And there was no blood, according to what they were saying.

What they say they found, they say there was no blood. And we are going to take the theory of medicine and forensic medicine. An adult body handles between 4 to 5 liters of blood. For you to enter a shock and start losing knowledge, you have to lose a good volume, 2 or 3 liters. Where is that blood? First, if you are cut or these arteries are cut or compressed, you have approximately 10 to 15

seconds of consciousness. It was that she got injured and was immediately unconscious. What did the body do while it was ... where is the blood? inconsciente que hizo el cuerpo mientras que estaba donde está la sangre esta lesión sólo el hecho fisiológico de haber regados por toda parte y presentan otras lesiones una luchación en muñeca izquierda y unas lesiones una equimosis un morado a nivel de pliegue cubital pero esta herida de aquí es bien particular porque la escriben de dos centímetros y tres de profundidad de bordes nítidos con un

ángulo agudo para nosotros los detalles chiquiticos en las esquinas de las heridas nos están diciendo They are telling us the weapon or the object had a thread or was a diamond or had two threads. Here they describe one. So, and if it is in a traffic accident, can a wound of those be produced?

I don't know.

Well, the crash must have been very strong. Where is the engine? No, it's still in the same place. It's not inside. How is the windshield? Is it fragmented?

What kind of windshields? And let's remember that today vehicles carry safety videos that are fragmented into small glass. Like glass?

Yes sir. What is the purpose? Sometimes people come and say that the cars from 50 years ago were better. Well, of course, they didn't break down, but people ended up dead. Today, the car breaks down,

but people end up alive. So, the glass is fragmented. It must deform, in this case, hood, mudguards, tires, engine. But they say the damage is minimal. That no longer fits. And also this injury here, where does the glass come from?

That supposedly cut her. Or what is the weapon? So it no longer begins to fit things because it is a clean wound, with sharp edges. the gun. because it was on his left side and you also tell me that he had a luxury, something in his left hand, that is, that suddenly he tried to protect himself, we are talking about a hypothesis, of course. Yes sir, that is a hypothesis that could go in the co-pilot's position,

but the detail, and where is the is that it is a very important artery that in front of a cut comes out many and where is it that we are talking about that this place is the primary scene or is it the secondary scene that has to start to raise those different scenarios to work with the whole team. Regarding Luciano, why was it possible to determine that he did not die at that time, but could have died earlier? From the part of necrosis and forensic medicine, only the findings are documented. But here comes the very important work

of criminal investigation. Where was the child? What do you do with a child all day? They are children who need practically continuous assistance. Food, because they eat very often, it's not three meals,

but it can be six, eight meals. Change of diapers. Where was it? Comida, porque comen muy seguido, no son tres comidas, sino que pueden ser seis, ocho comidas. Cambio de pañales. ¿Dónde estaba? Y aquí hay un detalle que es muy importante que ellos comienzan a documentar. Las libideses. Que es una decantación de la sangre.

Cuando el corazón deja de bombear la sangre, se estanca. the heart stops pumping blood, it stagnates and due to gravity it begins to deposit in the parts of the body's clavicle, if you are on your back it goes to the back, if you are face down it goes to the front, if it is hanging towards the feet and in the criminal investigation in the technical inspection of the corpse there is an exercise that they do and document, which is whether the dividends are fixed or disappear. And that is a lot of information.

Why? Because when you have the technical inspection of the corpse, the interviews, the videos, the necrosis, the study, the behavior of the person, many things, already begins to configure and to join the points in this type of cases. And now we turn to you, Dr. Belisario. You told me that you have quite clear information about what he testified.

You told me that he supposedly said that he left or wanted to see the enlightened in the me contaba usted que supuestamente decía que él se fue o quería ver los alumbrados en el Campín. El Campín es el estadio de fútbol más conocido de Colombia queda sobre la NQS o la 30. Y ahí comienza a hablar de un poco de cosas, mirando eso lo que nos pueda to talk about a few things, looking at what you can tell us, what you know, and what you can tell us about all of this.

Well, Rafa, currently in the stories of Ela there are several things that turn out, as well profiling to give some light. The first thing is the way he knows her and how he captures her, through a social network called Tinder, which he also did with his current partner, the girlfriend and owner of the vehicle who was involved in that collision. He says that shortly after meeting her, they liked each other, that they had sex, and that as a result of that,

a while later, she tells him, you're pregnant. There's apparently a rejection, a doubt, even, of him, that the child was his, and he defines her as someone with rights, it is how he treats her in some way and how he describes her, but it also draws attention

that he attributes to the victim situations of alleged selotypia, he attributes situations of alleged selotypia, which attributes situations of alleged abuse against him, and something that caught my attention, Rafa, some supposedly presumed behaviors of Karen. She said that she had quite a few depressions, concerns about work issues work, family issues, that supposedly practiced c***** issues,

and everything very accommodated, precisely in her story, to make it clear, without openly stating it, that this situation of the collision in which both she and the baby are f****d was the result of a situation that she had been planning, yes, but it does not fit because precisely on that day prior to the events, he describes that she was very tense, but to release tension, he allowed her to park the vehicle when she did not have driving skills, she did not even have a

driving license, but he allowed her to park the vehicle, he was teaching her to park the vehicle and that was when she left with the vehicle, that he allegedly fell asleep with the child in his arms in the co-pilot position and that is when the collision occurs, he being asleep or in a micro sleep supposedly, but also when that happens he fakes a fainting and that is when they come to help him, he goes to the clinic. There are a whole series of behavioral, behavioral things that draw attention and give an account of a planning,

of a mendicity, that the evidence, as I have explained here,

the scientific police, the researcher, the forensic doctor contradicts. He speaks as very comfortable that the child was carrying him, but there was a chair behind. But the child did not have a hematoma either, right, doctor? No sir, he has no head injuries, en cabeza no tiene lesiones en ninguna parte de la piel el cuerpo y un vehículo por dentro tiene varios objetos con los que uno se puede lastimar en un accidente de tránsito y que le dio un

micro sueño todo como muy acomodado y que creo que trató de cuando escuchó y cuando Everything was very well organized and I think he tried to, when he heard and felt, he put his left hand to avoid a collision.

Rafa, criminologically we are talking about a simulated scene, that is, there is an editing of the scene, not only in having placed Karen in the driver's seat when there are already certain indications that it was not her who was driving and that she had intentionally crashed the vehicle, This is very disturbing, as Dr. Navarro explained, that he died as a result of that snack, but he even claims that it was before the baby was born and that he wants to simulate that,

as if he was also a victim, yes, for being a copilot, and that, surprisingly, surprisingly loses some memory, that does not even remember where the child was, because he denies, he does not punctuate it, that he suffered a presumed fainting.

And there is something that surely Dr. Navarro can illustrate much better, and that is that in necropsy, there are some thoracic lesions that are typical of coalitions

they are in him, but not in her. And almost to finish, because you have a very well-known podcast and we have also worked on many topics and we have been in jail in your case, analyzing the serial killers.

What goes through the mind of a character like this?

Rafa, humanity doesn't pass. I mean, there's no empathy, there's no remorse. It's a very useful topic. It seems as if that baby, who was her son, was disturbing her. And this woman, who apparently was also disturbed by her son,

and the way she sought to get rid of them, was by simulating this situation, believing that she was going to get away with it, as you mentioned at the beginning, and reaffirming what you and I have also affirmed in several things, in several moments, Rafa, and that is that perfect crime does not exist. There are poorly done investigations or not rigorous enough

investigations , but that was not the case. Here the investigation was rigorous enough from the first moment it was observed. Here the investigation was rigorous enough from the first moment it was observed. Notice what the superintendent was telling us a moment ago. In that first observation, there was an alert of

something is wrong here. This is not typical of what the experience and that sharp brain that researchers and forensic scientists have, they are used to seeing. But here something happens and that whole line of research begins, which fortunately today is strengthening the National Prosecutor's Office

in the imputation and possible accusation that at the time will be.

Psychopath? How do you describe it?

Well, Rafa, there are psychopathic elements, yes, lack of empathy, pathological lie, manipulation,

instrumentalization of the other, of seeing him as a thing that is typical of psychopathy. and they charged him with aggravated sexual assault, concealment or alteration of material evidence. He did not accept it. The issue of the child, which is very serious, and the baby, which is very serious, this is a person who, if found guilty,

will not be released in 40 years.

Of course, Rafa, they will surely give him the maximum penalty. He is facing a very big penalty, perhaps the maximum penalty, which is 60 years. Let's remember that f-b-i-n-g is an autonomous crime. It does not allow any reductions in itself. There is a baby and there is a minor also committed there. He, at this moment, is presumed, obviously his innocence is going to face,

he is going to be beaten in a trial and if he is defeated,

he will surely face the maximum penalty. Dr. Belisario, thank you. Dr. Navarro, you spend covering all these traffic accidents. What does all this leave you?

In this case in particular, a sadness.

Because a child and a woman can't lose their lives that way.

Jason.

The conclusion that we come to is that it's a fact that today does not impugn and it is where the families, all families want to know the truth of what happened to their loved one and fortunately and thank God that suddenly he gives us the gift of investigating and shows us things that we cannot see and. And it's a satisfaction for us, as members of the Judicial Police,

to be able to contribute with elements that the prosecution will finally bring to Mr. Hugo's trial.

Thank you. Aníbal.

The most important message I leave in this case is a juicio al señor Hugo. Gracias. Aníbal. El mensaje más importante que en este caso es que un trabajo riguroso con todos los fundamentos técnicos científicos nos acercan a esa justicia que se necesita aquí en Colombia. Para que no queden esos casos en zona gris, archivados. No.

Esto demuestra hacer el trabajo muy bien, de manera juiciosa, interdisciplinario, archived, no. This shows that doing the work very well, in a judicious, interdisciplinary way, between different institutions, brings truth and justice to a family mainly, and to society, which can be calm, that it is being investigated and a good work is being done. To finish, Dr. Belisario, what mind can invent this?

Rafa, a very perverse mind. And notice that, Toretta, you mentioned several of the serial murders or serial crimes that we have analyzed, that we have shared with whoever sees and listens to us. But also, and we have talked about it, you and I, I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm going to be able to do that. I'm going to be able to do that.

I'm going to be able to do that. I'm going to be able to do that. I'm going to be able to do that. I'm going to be able of the child. There is violence that we have also talked about in other programs and we have analyzed. And I think we should sit down to write about this and about this case to prevent it from becoming a landscape

in which this is normalized. This cannot be normalized.

It is very serious.

Gentlemen, thank you. Thank you very much. He gave me a hard time. A 10-month-old baby. It's very serious. Thank you very much, gentlemen. It was very hard for me. I was 10 months pregnant.

He was his son because they did the tests.

And also Karen's. And that's why we decided to do this program. Thank you very much. I'll put you in context. Paula has been interviewed twice here on Beyond Silence. She was the ex-partner of Carlos Castaño, the great paramilitary leader,

one of the most feared men in the history of Colombia. Her revelations on our podcast, on YouTube, have reached about 4 million views. And on our social media it has passed more than 7 million views.

And I say, of course I love you, but there are things of yours, Carlos, that sometimes scare me. Well, how do you go to my house with a gun in your hand?

But here is not only part of that story with Carlos Castaño, but time later, when in Honduras, he began to launder money and was arrested and taken to one of the most dangerous prisons in the world, in San Pedro Sula. He was more than 10 years.

Every time something exploded in this country, Carlos went crazy. He went crazy with anger. No one could talk to Carlos. I didn't have any guilt, no problems, I didn't know what was happening.

And what he tells us is absolutely impressive and real. what was happening. Panamericana y naturalmente en testigodirectoeditorial.com. And what he tells us is absolutely impressive and real. what was happening. Panamericana y naturalmente en testigodirectoeditorial.com. Entre rejas y balas, una gran recomendación de Más Allá del Silencio.