Así SECUESTRARON a Lyan Hortúa en Jamundí, lo tuvieron AMARRADO a una CAMA: No HUÍ dice su MAMÁ

On May 3, 2025, in Jamundí, very close to Cali, in the west of Colombia, the boy Lian José Ortúa Bonilla, only 11 years old, was forced out of his house by several hooded men. And this became a worldwide story, because immediately a video came out of the kitchen of that residence and you see these hooded men arriving at the place. And they took him away. The news was worldwide. and the UN immediately demanded its release and was only released 18 long days later.

And well, as always, social media also go in there to speculate about what had happened and why. Today we are with Angie Bonilla, Lian's mother, and this is important to say. Today we are recording, on a Sunday. She took a plane and arrived today at 7 in the morning here in Bogotá because she wanted to talk to us. Angie, thank you. Thank you for your trust and for wanting to tell us your story.

To you, Rafa.

And why? Why do you want to tell it? Why break the silence?

Rafa, because I feel that it is the time to tell my truth, the truth that has hurt so much. Because when we speak from Sevice, because that's what I felt with myself, that many things were not well and well said and well told. So I feel the need, more than for me, for my son, to tell my story, my truth.

18 long days. How is Lian?

God is so complex because it has been too painful, too painful the subject of Lian. Lian is a very innocent child and I tried to take good care of this childhood De Leon, Leon es un niño muy inocente. Y traté de cuidar mucho esa niñez como mamá. Para que no se expusiera, porque quiere uno cuidarlo como padre. Yo como madre, de pronto de esa vida real, que a veces duele tanto.

Entonces, creo que aún fue más doloroso porque habían cosas en Leon que él no sabía. of that real life that sometimes hurts so much. So I think it was even more painful because there were things in the day that he didn't know about and he had to go through it this way.

He lost his innocence. How does it all start? Tell us about that Saturday, was it? After 6 and 50 in the afternoon. How does it all start? Tell us about that Saturday, was it after 6.50pm? 6.50pm. Where were you?

That day, as it was normal, we would go to work every of the morning, at 6pm My younger brother, who lived with us, he is a doctor and we almost always saw each other at the same time because it was the moment we saw each other, at night My husband arrives at work around 6.30pm, my brother also comes home from work. That day I stayed home, and that day my little girl Crystal, my baby, the smallest, walked. So I was very happy about that. I was recording stories for Instagram,

telling about that event, which as a mother is something very nice for us. At 6.30 my husband arrives, and I go to the kitchen, I tell him I'm going to prepare him something to eat. And he goes up with the baby,

because I had her in the living room at that time and he goes upstairs to his room to play with her for a while my younger brother, who is a doctor, stays in the living room and he goes to the kitchen to tell me something about how he wanted the meat the moment he gets up, he manages, because the house had glass windows, and he sees, I don't know, a shadow, I don't know what he saw,

because everything is so light, Rafa, that you can't even understand, because they are seconds, seconds that become minutes and hours, I mean, it's impressive the magnitude that an episode of this brings, so traumatic. So what my brother says is, run, run, they got us. So when he says that, my maternal instinct, my family instinct, to protect my family, tells me to run for help. Because on the cell phone we had a group, in the unit, where we talked to each other,

all the neighbors, and if they said that a case was coming, of anything, everyone could react. So that was my thought at that moment, to seek help. It was never like people thought, Rafa, that I had hidden. No. It was to seek help for my family. I would run out the back, there was a door from the kitchen to the patio,

and I would run back where there was a lot of weeds, wire, there was swingla, there was... the weed was very high. I run with the babysitter and my mom. On the way, I see that the babysitter

stops and turns around, and my mom runs with me to a point. And I keep running because I said I could run faster than her to get that help that we needed, that I felt we needed. And I climbed a wall.

Rafa, I don't know how I did it. I think the same need to seek that help. No, no. There were a lot of fights and a lot of violence. But at that moment I didn't feel pain, because the need was maternal. It was... I was looking for help. I ran, and when I ran, I managed to climb the wall, and I heard the shots. disparos

y yo me desmayo algo pasó en mi mente I didn't know about myself, but I became that survival instinct and wanted to help. But when I opened my eyes, my thought think, there's nothing I can do. The last thing I could think of was to see my brother run, to know that my daughter and my husband had stayed at home. But Lian, he had asked me permission to go play with a friend from the unit. So I never, I mean, we didn't know Lian was there. Because I always thought he was playing with his little friend.

And what happened?

I came back and I got up. I said, you have to look for help, you can't stay there. And I ran to the next house. The lights were on, and I was touching, I was saying, please help me, I need help, my family, something happened to my family, and there was no help, and I understand today, after the pain, that maybe it's not easy. Of course, it's not easy. And what I'm telling you is a situation that we don't understand until it happens to us.

Because one thing is to talk about it from here, from why it wasn't done, why it existed, why it wasn't done like that. No, those are questions of seconds, where you don't even tú mismo entiendes qué pasó y cómo lo hiciste.

No te abrieron y qué hiciste.

Volví a correr para otra casa. Yo corría y corría y resulta que la siguiente casa era como una loma. Y yo me ruedo, esa loma me la ruedo And I roll over, that hill I roll over, and I fall, how to tell you, like on the second floor, I fall on my knees. Which is what I showed you in the videos, that people said, why did you get so exhausted? Why did you get so hurt? But it's because, in the eagerness to seek help, I didn't realize what was hurting me.

I got there super cut, with my knuckles buried, my knees, I broke them. And then at that moment I think, when I fall, I fall on my knees and I say, Oh my God, I broke my knees, now I won't be able to run to get help, I won't be able to keep looking for help. And when I get up, I realize that no, that I was still firm and intact.

I ran so much that I think that in my healthy judgment, I mean, in something normal, it would not have happened. I get to the last house and a neighbor opens up to me I don't know what was his thought at the moment, but I feel that suddenly he was like, I don't know, he was like, I don't know, he was like, I don't know, he was like, I don't know, he was like, I don't know, he was like, I don't know, he was like, I don't know, he was like, I don't know, he was again, I don't know what his thought was at the time,

but I feel that he thought I was hurt, I mean, I don't know, with a gun, I don't know. Because he tells me, what do you need? And I, no, let's go. And what I said was to take his hand and I, please, let's go, let's go, my family is there, help me, write for the group, help me, I need you to... because at that moment I told him

something really bad happened to my family, I heard gunshots. So, I run, because he tells me, the wife comes out and says, nobody moves here, and nobody comes out here, no one is going to move.

So I understood, because they also had to take care of their integrity and they were also going to be afraid, but I couldn't stay there hidden. I had to keep looking for help. When I go out, I meet my brother, the doctor. I jump out of one and I'm surprised because con mi hermano el médico. Yo me tiro de una y me sorprendo porque verlo vivo, o sea, yo dije, bueno, ¿está vivo? ¿Cómo están los demás?

Entonces él me dice, negrita, y me abraza, pensé que algo te había pasado. Yo le dije, no papi, tú estás bien y yo lo toco. Y me digo, ¿dónde están todos? Y me dijo, no, no te you're fine, and I'll touch him. And I said, where is everyone? And he said, no, don't worry, we're all fine. They just stole the car. They just took the car. No, we're all fine.

When he says, let's go back, I go back, everyone with the thought that, because no one had seen it at that time, it's a very chaotic moment. That... That Lian was taken away. We didn't know. Nor that Estela was taken away. When they started to check the cameras,

we realized. And when I saw that my son was taken away... It was a very hard moment. I have him here. Because I was very afraid get you. Hurry up.

I'm going to get you. I'm going to get you. I'm going to get you.

They took him. He wasn't where his friends were. He hadn't returned.

He was where he was. He was in his room. He was playing. In the lower part of his room, estaba en su habitación, estaba jugando. En la parte de abajo de su habitación, quedaba como en el sótano. Allí... Yo creo que la misma inocencia lo sacó. Porque lo que le digo, si yo tal vez...

le hubiera enseñado otras cosas a de pronto, a resguardarse, pero pues no... A esconderse, ¿no? A esconderse. He would have taught him other things, like how to protect himself. How to hide. How to hide. But no, he says he heard the gunshots and thought something bad had happened to his family. And he wanted, I mean, to be taken away, or to him, or I don't know. Or to go out to help.

Exactly, I don't know, his little mind crossed. I didn't know.

He went out with his arms out, you told me.

He went out with his arms out, like, I'm not alone, I'm a child, I guess, I imagine that he wanted to show it. And well, that's when all of this comes to light. All of those 18 days of pain.

Did they take him alone?

They took him with

Doña Estela, with the nanny. The nanny? Yes. In the kitchen, you can see in the video that there's you, there's your mommy,

and there's Doña Estela. When you go out to run. is I can tell you that the minutes become hours. I mean, everything happens so slowly, so slowly. It's total darkness. It's all cloudy because you don't understand what happened, why it happened, how it happened. I... I start to tell my husband,

what are we going to do? What do we do? What are we going to do? Where are we going? We took the keys and left in my brother's car. Our parents were there for us and we left. We got off the car, the gaula was there,, everyone was there waiting for us to come down.

But I feel that something of me grew very big as a mother. And on the other hand, I feel like it froze. Because it was a pain, a deep pain, an agony, an agony of knowing

what was going to happen, because we didn't know what was going to happen at that moment.

The hours passed, and what happened? They released Estelita. And with Estelita they sent us to say that we should be aware that they were going to inform us.

That they should be aware that they were going to inform them.

Yes.

And what did Estelita say?

No, she says that she didn't know where she was going because it was at night and a no supo para donde iba porque pues eso fue de noche y estaba cayendo un aguacero lo que te digo y ella dice que solo veía que andaban y andaban en un carro y pues que el Ian iba al lado Y ya ¿Les decían algo? Y le dijeron no, no, a ella la bajaron y le dijeron que se fuera

y ya, o sea and she left. And they separated her from Lian. She only knew about him for a short time, and then they were in different places. They let her go quickly.

And what happens from then on?

Well, two days later, Lian knew my mom's number, which is also very important. You don't know how important it was that my my son knew a phone number. Because they communicated and said that Leon was okay. And that... Leon was okay and that... They were looking at him and way they were releasing him. I always felt like they said that, because I never understood that part of what they were taking from him,

but I feel like maybe they weren't taking him, him, the child, because they knew, and I don't know why. Because nothing, nothing that was

speculated or said was true.

Now let's go to those speculations. And follow me with your own. and I was told that it was true.

Now let's go to those speculations. And continue telling me what happened over time.

No, I go into that anguish of a mother, what I'm telling you. It's something I can't describe, I can't even describe it in words. It's a pain. It's a pain in the soul. It burns. I had wounds all over my body. And those wounds didn't hurt. They got infected. And they didn't hurt. Just thinking about how Lian was, if she slept, if she ate. How was Lian? If he slept, if he ate, if... I mean, how was he? How was my son? And the wounds get infected. And there comes a moment where we've been three days without hearing from Lian.

And I start to despair. Like, wow. I was saying, why? I mean, what happened? Where is he? How is he? I start to despair and I get into a state of anguish. And then my husband makes the decision. Because my brother, who I told you is a doctor,

saw my wounds and told me, you are not well. You need and need a clinic. I can't give you more medication. You need and you need a clinic. I can't medicate you anymore. You need to go to a clinic. And that's where they take me to the clinic and they hospitalize me for three days. And they sedate me. Because the psychiatrist felt it was necessary. Because I had not slept for many days, without eating, and with that anguish that I tell you,

which was heartbreaking, it was a constant anguish, catastrophic thoughts, because unfortunately I am a woman of faith, I am a very spiritual woman, but at that moment you go into a fight even with your faith, because it is a son, it is a son and it is not knowing in what conditions he is, how he is, and more than you know, the things that happen, and that one always has in mind, and what is going to happen, or what is happening.

They talked about how they were going to release him, but naturally the authorities were already there, the army surrounding the area, and all that.

Yes, yes, yes, yes, they were looking at how it could be done, which is what was seen on social media, if it was done in a humanitarian way, or if it was done with the Red Cross, or with the UN. There is the people's defense. There were many involved organizations, and there was also a great mobilization in Cali, in Jamundi, of people who were carrying out plantons demanding the liberation of Lian. It is something that today, Rafa, I tell you, I thank you so much as a mother, I thank you

so much for that human part that you brought out in many Colombians, because many, just as they said things like, for example, why I wasn't at the marches, why they don't know that part, that pain, it's that this is a via crucis. This is something painful.

It's something that when you live it and it touches you, it touches your soul. I mean, it touches you beyond the depth of your being. And that happened. That I, with the Lian. When I saw the mobilizations, I said, wow. Because they showed them to me.

I remember, I'm going to tell you this. In the clinic, on the second day, they started taking off my sedative. They showed me. My husband said tell me, look, people are so pretty, they make me shirts and things for Lian, and I would think, oh my God, oh my God, what is this?

I didn't know it was better if they put me to sleep again, or if they woke me up. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. And I would say, please, I need to go out. Because they always said that it was with the mother that they understood each other.

That it was the mother who...

The ones who had taken him.

Yes, that it was with the mother who gave him to them, it was the mother who needed him to be there for... So I said, I have to be under my own power, under the forces that were left to me. When did you get to the point where you had that contact with Lian has a condition. I told the UN people that my child has chronic asthma. I mean, we had to be very careful with him.

So that was my biggest concern. I mean, if Lian got an allergy to something and they couldn't bring him down or bring him back, or if there weren't any... So I told the UN people that I needed that medication to arrive, that please, like my mom asked for it.

And indeed, they received it and gave it to him. Because he tells me that in the time he was there, he had his medication.

Later, you tell me what he told you. And you had a video call with him.

Yes, they let me see it on occasion.

How was that?

No.

It was very short. It was 20 seconds, I think, more or less. I saw it from afar and through a screen. And you know, emotions fail us. And at that moment I felt that I was desperate. I said, son, look at me, my love, even mom, mom is here.

And mom, mom wants you to come back. And he said, I just heard him say, Mom, that's all. Because the call was cut off. And then they wrote me back and told me, so you know that Elian is okay.

And that's it.

I never heard from him again. For a while, everyone told me that we had to wait, because it was a process that couldn't be delivered to anyone. In fact, it had become a little bit media-like, a little bit, no, very media-like. So they had to activate all the protocols for its delivery.

But it was something desperate. I was with the prosecutor, he had told me to meet with him to talk about what was being done, how everything was going to happen, to calm down, to give me that peace of mind. and we were there in a meeting when they write to me from an entity and they tell me we have Alien I think that day I was born again because I wanted to touch him I wanted to see him, I wanted to feel him, to see that he was okay, that... that nightmare was over. And I start screaming, and everyone starts, what happened?

And I, my son, they have my son, they already have him in their hands, I have to go, and everyone, no, but wait, you can't go like that, and I, no, I have to... I left. I have to go, and everyone says, no, wait, you can't go like that. And I said, no, I have to go. The protocol was that I would take him to the clinic, which is where they took him, and where I received my son. Where I saw him for the first time after 18 days.

And you go to the clinic, and what happens to him when you see him?

No. My God, I think I hugged him. I think I melted in that hug. We were left alone again, and I fainted, and I started touching him. I touched his legs, his hands. I kissed him all over his body.

Because I literally felt that he was born again. The joy of that day, I think it was twice as much as when he was born. Imagine that. Because it was seeing him well, and seeing him complete.

How was he? Thinner?

Thinner, I saw him thinner, I saw him very quiet, very overwhelmed, but very brave because he touched me and his hands felt very cold, very cold. And like, like, like mom, everything is fine, I felt it like that, going to be fine, I want this to be fine, that's how I felt, that's how I felt Lian, and they checked him, the doctors checked him completely, that he was in good health, that all the protocols they follow. And then the doctor tells me that he doesn't see the need to leave him hospitalized. Because he saw that Lian was very anxious to go to his house. So he tells me, I think the psychiatrist sees him and Lian can go home with you. And we were very happy because Lian was going to return

to his reality, to his world, where he shouldn't have been taken out. And he told me, I remember so much, that in those days he was about to turn one, that he wanted a plane. And we, but he wanted a specific plane, a plane with these characteristics.

And we went to get it for him, and all the time at the clinic, with that plane.

Because he wants to be a pilot.

What did he tell you about his captivity? I know this is a little delicate. I read that he was tied up for four days and he had to sleep handcuffed.

Rafa, you know that we don't ask him a lot about that. Because the psychiatrist told us at that moment that we shouldn't ask him questions, but let him feel capable on his own. that he felt alone, in the moments that he felt incapacitated because the psychiatrist explained to me that they do it to protect themselves and he wants to forget that episode, so he doesn't tell it. So, we haven't asked him much so that he doesn't feel too pressured but I do know that it was something very traumatic for him, that is, that it was something that marked him and that marked us all.

He has made drawings, right?

Yes, the other day we found a drawing with a letter on the back, and the little drawing was like the image that comes out of him. When he leaves, I think that was the moment that stayed with him, came out of the stairs and came out with his hands up, and they were all there. I think that was the part where...

When they took him from the house, when he came out of his room.

Yes, that was the drawing. I uploaded it to my social media. Because I think healing is very strong. Healing is very hard. Sanar es muy fuerte, es muy duro y a veces...

Gracias.

A veces verlo desde la barrera es mucho más fácil que vivirlo. Cuando lo vives, lo que te digo. No sabes porque no entiendes cómo sobrellevar una situación como esta. because you don't understand how to overcome a situation like this. So, when Lian made that drawing, I asked him why, because it caused me a lot of curiosity. Why that moment?

I mean, if that had been the moment. And then he answered me, and behind the letter he said that. That the part where he had felt a lot of fear was where he had climbed, that he didn't know what he was going to find. I mean, the reason for the shots,

what he was going to find. So I feel that's why the drawing, that's why he kind of captures that moment, because it's like the moment where I feel that it was like the moment of shock for him.

Tell me about the Virgin.

The Virgin is wonderful. I believe that God opened up in a supernatural way for us. I am Mariana, I love the Virgin Mary a that I keep it in my hand, because it's like a synonym for me, of protection, I don't know, like something that reminds me that I'm not alone. And that day, when everything happens, I realize that they are taking Lian, you know that, as I was saying, even faith puts you in doubt. Because you start fighting with yourself.

What happened? What did I do wrong? What did I do wrong? And I go up and I say to my husband, wait for me. I go for the rosary. I go up running for my rosary where I put my things, my accessories, I would put it in a drawer. The bullet would go through the drawer and fall on Christ. I mean, it was something wonderful. Because those of us who know spirituality,

we know what it means. And God left me that letter saying that I was never alone. Nor was my family alone.

And you continue with that rosary that no longer has the cross?

Yes, yes.

And they told me to take it off, because it has already fulfilled its mission. But I want to do it when I feel safe, when the river has passed, because I know that it will pass, Rafa.

Only five months have passed.

Yes, yes. because I know that's going to happen, Rafa. It's only been five months.

Yes.

And now we're going to talk about social media. And they said you were a bad mother because you had hidden.

I think that, Rafa, judging and criticizing through a screen is very easy. Talking without knowing the truth is easy. But when you live it and experience it and see it from another perspective, I never, never, like my thought was to hide. On the contrary, I think that, because I showed you the videos of how I was. I mean, I couldn't fit a wound in my body.

I think that I lived the flagellation. Because all the time I was looking for help. I wanted people to help us, to call the police. That was my desire. I never hid, Rafa. llamaran no sea la policía esa era mi afán yo nunca me escondí rafa sino que la gente hablaba desde su desconocimiento desde lo que se imaginaron o vieron solo por un video que vieron obviamente que yo corrí porque si eso es algo eso es un instinto si yo te

digo en esos momentos corre tú no me preguntas porque yo te estoy diciendo que corras tú corres porque yo te lo estoy diciendo es el video que se ve que tú sales corriendo You don't ask me because I'm telling you to run. You run because I'm telling you to. It's the video that shows you running, that you're with your mom. Exactly, because my brother screams and says, run, they got us. So when he says that, obviously I run. I run to get help. I run to get that help we all needed. Because what was the point of me staying?

And they write, poor child, the mother who touched him.

This is how cruel the world is.

This is how cruel.

And some of these comments on social media appear because of your relationship with the child's father, José Leonardo Ortú.

Tell us about him.

Look, Rafa, my story is a book. It's a beautiful book. It's a book that is written with a lot of learning. I met my son's father in 2010. My mom has a basic disease called ulcerative colitis in acute phase. It's a chronic colitis.

In September 2010, my mom got into a disease crisis. The disease is bleeding and it gets worse. He goes into intensive care, into a coma, and that's when he goes into papadelía. I've known him for that time, and he also had some serious health situations. He had 42 surgeries, I was very sick. And after being a patient, we first met as friends,

and he was like a support for me in my mom's situation.

How old was she?

19 years old, 20 years old. She was very, very young. We started to get to know each other as friends. At first he told me his name was Marcos. Marcos was my friend, with whom I started to have a nice relationship, of support. I remember he would tell me,

I have all these surgeries and here I am. Don't worry, your mom is going to get better. So, that's where the bond of gratitude begins. And to see him with other eyes, to see him with other eyes. And we started a relationship. At first, Rafa, I didn't know much about Marcos.

Because that's what he told me his name was.

The one who said he did.

I don't think I asked him much because I saw him sick. He stayed in the clinic because he was very serious. He used parenteral nutrition diet. So, asking a person, you see, if they are on a diet, at first, no. But after I told him, he started to recover. Because he also had a stomach surgery.

We started talking. And I started to see, because you are not stupid. I wasn't going to sell a story or come here and tell you that I didn't know. I've always said that you should learn from your stories, and that's my story. And I learned from her. Because when he died, we started a relationship, and it was very short, two and a half years. It was very short.

You fell in love.

Yes, of course. I think he was a special man, I mean, with flowers, special. So I met that human part, and then it was a little more difficult to let go. And what I'm telling you, I'm not going to sell you a story here and say, Oh no, it's just that... No, because when I came to sit here, I was telling my truth. And this is my truth.

And what did you realize it was?

That maybe I was in business that wasn't so good because I knew I had a warrant for capture. But what I'm telling you, time had passed. In fact, we were already dating. We had been dating for 10 months.

He was a drug dealer.

I don't know if he was a drug dealer, but I know that it was a difficult situation for him. Did you feel trapped? Like, I'm telling you, it also won me over, because I was very young. Do you understand me? I mean, I don't justify, because I'm not going to justify, because every action has a reaction. And I think that at that in his moment... I'm not going to call it a mistake, Rafa.

Because calling it a mistake would be disrespecting my son. Because that relationship was left to me. My son, who has been wonderful to me. And he has been a rescue in many moments of my life. Like that one. When he was missing, I was 8 months pregnant.

What I'm saying is, it wasn't easy to deal with that situation. Because, being a girl, being pregnant, we got married, I was married. We got married a year later, he died a year and a half later.

You got married and got pregnant.

Yes, I got pregnant. I got pregnant with my beautiful son.

Because Lian, Lian is not his father. No.

Lian is a wonderful child, raised under all the foundations of love. In fact, what I'm telling you, Rafa, when this happens, that he dies, with him died all situation that I had with a life like this.

Because I promised God that I would allow myself to raise my child in a good way. That I would allow myself to redirect my steps. Because mistakes are not to make them, because we all make them, we all make mistakes at some point in life. The important thing, Rafa, was to reorient myself because I know that that's what I should do and what I wanted to do

and it was something with which I dealt all the time and I told God that I wanted a man for my life again, but completely different. Without telling you, I repeat, that I would have seen it or seen it as my mistake. No, because I don't want to disrespect my son. How long did you have him when you took his life away when you were how old? Eight months old. Eight months old. That's why I tell you that my life is a book. And it's a book that when it's well told,

it's a book of learning. It's not a book to judge or point out. Because I think it's not fair. It's not fair. When there are so many wounds,

one is to be a judge in them.

And 12 years passed until it happened heridas uno es culcar en ellas y pasaron 12 años hasta que sucedió lo delían y ahí comienzan otras especulaciones y otras supuestas informaciones de que es que tú había sido testa ferra y te habías quedado con unas propiedades que le pertenecían supuestamente a los you had been disowned and you had been left with some properties that supposedly belonged to the Rastrojos, to Diego Rastrojo.

Rafa, it was tremendous. That was to get up and crash head on into such a painful situation. dolorosa tan porque me arrastraron como mujer como ser humano como persona como mamá como mamá que te digo o sea claro este es mi pasado y te lo conté te lo estoy contando y les estoy contando mi pasado pero mi pasado era eso fueron esos dos años y medio y ya ahí quedó yo no tú te puedes imaginar I was there for two and a half years and that's it. I was there. I didn't... you can imagine. People said, investigate her. Do you think they didn't investigate me?

I think I was the first one to be investigated when they took Lian. That they put her in the eyes. Do you think the eyes weren't on me? No. I didn't have, nor do tuve, ni tengo, ni he tenido propiedades, como decían, de unas cantidades de dinero jamás, nunca, nunca. Eso dañó en mí tantas cosas, tantas, porque yo pienso que fuera de la situación ya tan dolorosa que había pasado porque fuimos Because I think that it was the most painful situation that had ever happened

because we were victims and being re-victimized in the way we were was terrible. Because they distorted everything, they changed it, they put it in a 12 year old situation My God, look, I'm going to tell you Rafa, with telling you that Leon, I didn't talk much about his situation and how he died because what I was telling you now,

I wanted to take care of Leon's heart, I wanted our story to be different. That's why I would go out and say, and people would laugh, that, look, there are legal businessmen, working people. Of course I am a worker.

I have worked, I have had a boutique, I have had a business there,ken roasters, jewelry, I mean, we have... I, personally, Angie, it has cost me a lot, because those who know me and follow me know that I have always liked to work, sell, get my money back. I'm not a millionaire. I don't know where they got all those millions and all those things they put me in because those are like crosses, Rafa, those are heavy crosses.

Putting me, my family, in danger without deserving it. Because I tell you, yes, there is a story. That's the story. That's the story. familia sin merecerlo porque te digo si hay una historia esa es la historia esa es la historia a mi me quedo Liann, ese niño que le pido a Dios, lo pido todos los días que me permita, que me permita criar porque si yo tengo una niña chiquita pero esa niña tiene su papá, esa niña tiene un papá maravilloso y yo sé que a esa niña nunca nada le va a faltar pero Liann but that girl has her dad. That girl has a wonderful dad. And I know that girl will never lack anything. But Leon, he has me.

Your new partner comes into your life when Leon was what age?

Eight years.

Eight years.

Eight years.

What does he do? He has had all life of jewelry. He started with his jewelry in the center, there, very well known.

In Cali.

Yes.

His dreams, and I think it's one of the things that has hurt me the most, because he's a very hardworking boy, and very hardworking.

And to see that his dreams suddenly came to a standstill, and very hardworking

and to see that their dreams suddenly came to a standstill because people assume because that's the sad part that they assume they assume a truth, they assume a situation without being it

because my truth is this this is the truth and this never happened because they told me, they are charging you money. Or... No, it never happened like that. It never happened like that.

And I feel that people lacked more compassion, more mercy.

Some people.

Yes. Yes? Yes.

Yes, yes.

Did you pay for the rescues? There was information that your brother had said yes.

No, sir. They release him.

Are you sure?

Yes, they release him.

No, it will be... because many people, there there are some fears, that when you pay for a rescue, it can be interpreted as if you were helping terrorist groups.

No, no, no, no. They always had the intention of returning to Lian. I think that suddenly the delay in the return of Lian was that everything was very media-related. I imagine that the protocols, that they could not give it to anyone, that they were already like some entities there pending their delivery. So I feel that that was it.

And to finish, what has all this left you?

A huge learning that we should not judge, nor point out, nor point out without knowing a truth. Because this has led me to an incredible depression, Rafa. I mean, I have touched the worst depths. What I'm telling you, as a mother, as a person, as a wife, as a worker. Because I have many dreams, like any woman my age.

Many, many dreams to fulfill. And one of those is to be allowed to become the Lian I dream of. Because Lian is big. And Lian is a child who will represent many things in life. And I want him to be the pilot. That's why I'm here today, with my truth.

With that truth. Because many people said, wait, you have to be a little better so you don't look so bad. But I say no, this human part has to be shown. This part that breaks too, this part that is not right sometimes, we have to show it. Because I tell you that I have required psychological and psychiatric help, and I am with psychiatric help. People have demonized this topic where we must recognize ourselves and recognize that we need help and we have to take care of them. And right now I'm in that help to be able to be and get that best version of myself for my children, for my home,

and for my brothers and sisters who deserve it, who have been there, firm with me, and that mother who has been essential in these processes, my husband, everyone, that, thank God, I've had that support. That support that I've needed. Because, I was telling you, now I'm surprised to see Lian, how she has rescued me. How, when I see myself, I've had some depressions, Rafa, but tremendous, I mean, some heartbreaking things, I mean, a pain in the soul.

And Lian tells me, Mom, everything will be fine.

You are the one who rescues you.

You are the one who rescues me. And I believe him. Everything will be fine. Everything will be fine.

And you left Jamundi and Cali. And Leon's friends?

No, for Leon it was a shock, I'm going to tell you. Rafa was so sad. This triggered such great pain for him. Outside of what he already experienced, what he had to experience later Lian graduated from 5th grade

in June from his school where he studied since Kinder with his friends and with his best friend, Franco I miss him so much Franco a lot

because he tells me, mom when we have to go, we're leaving the country. And I tell him, son, it was his birthday. With a hood. He shouldn't have left. Elian is a good boy.

And I said, son, what else do you miss? And he said, mom, Franco. I wish I could see him again. Because I couldn't even see his grade. There was a problem. Because he graduated fifth grade and he couldn't pass. From his school they sent a diploma

to the courage, to the brave boy. to It was a change, a big change. A change that has hurt us a lot. Because what I was saying, when it comes from... from injustice. Because I know I'm not perfect and I've made mistakes. Maybe mistakes that you say on the way to the end of the road. I know I'm not perfect and I've made mistakes. Maybe mistakes that you say in the walk, but they are part of life because we can't live a life in a straight line.

We have our successes and our failures. But in any case, I feel like I've been a good human being. I don't hurt anyone, I haven't hurt anyone. I'm a woman who wants to get those kids through. Why do I name more than one? Because, I repeat, Lian is my responsibility.

And I've always felt that I have to work for him. And now I feel that I have to bring Tony. So I need to rescue Sanchi. Bring back that person who left on May 3rd. Bring her back here. With firmness. So that she can tell his story from love, from forgiveness,

to teach Leon that you can also live from wounds. Thank you. And help him be a pilot. Y ayudale a ser piloto. Ay, sí.

Pero antes de eso, que vuelva a ver a Franco.

Ay, sí.

Gracias.

Gracias por confiar tu historia más allá del silencio a mí. Gracias por ese privilegio.

Gracias a ti por escucharme y quiero decir que yo sé que el día va a haber este, va Thank you for listening to me and I want to say that I know that one day there will be this story because I told you, I did this for him so that he will not feel ashamed of his life, his mother, or his family. We will continue to work for him and for him and for our home. Thank you, Rafa. me a su mamá ni de su familia seguiremos trabajando por el y para él y para nuestro hogar

gracias

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