Attorney Joseph Tully on Epstein Files Update & Mexico Rejects Trump | Nov. 19, 2025

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as everybody knows, President Trump is fed up with the press, but he still gives more access to the media than any other president in modern times by far. Very perplexing. He knows he's going to get hammered and gives the access anyone. That is the subject of this evening's Talking Points memo. So this really played out yesterday. So the Prime Minister of Saudi Arabia, Mohammed bin Salman, comes to the USA, big dog and

pony show, sorry about the cliche. And Salman and Trump are buddies. Salman's investing a trillion dollars into the USA, so he says, all right. So they go all over what they're gonna do, and we'll get into that in a moment.

But they're having a good time. Big dinner last night. And today, it carried over to today. This is big because Saudi Arabia is extremely wealthy, can help the USA economically, can help the USA with Putin and Iran.

So they're our pals now. Under Biden, they were not our pals, which is a better situation. I think you know. So there is President Trump, most powerful man in the world,

sitting next to Bin Salman, who doesn't believe in the free press at all. And if you ever were rude to him in Saudi Arabia, your head would be rolling in the sand. All right. Enter chief White House correspondent for ABC News, Mary Bruce.

Okay.

Now, she's been on the case since 2021. She is a notorious Trump baiter. And Mary did not let us down yesterday Roll the tape

The US intelligence concluded that you orchestrated the brutal murder of a journalist 9-11 families are furious

You are here that you are here. Who are you with?

Who are you with?

And the same team as a whole.

You with who?

ABC News.

Fake News.

ABC Fake News.

One of the worst. One of the worst in the business.

But I'll ask you a question.

I have nothing to do with the family business. I have left. left and when I I've devoted 100% of my energy what my family does is fine. They do business all over. They've done very little with Saudi Arabia actually. I'm sure they could do a lot.

Okay, now the questions were legitimate. I would have asked them. But not in the accusatory way Miss Bruce did. She was not looking to elicit information.

This is the key. When you are a White House correspondent or any other valid repertorial job, your task is to get information to the American public. That is not what Mary Bruce wanted to do. She wanted to gotcha. She wanted to embarrass. You could hear it in her voice, the tone. Where was it? Now here's what she could have said. All right, this is what she could have said.

Mr. President, in a calm manner, is there any validity to your critics saying that your family is making big money in Saudi Arabia? Simple question. Any validity to that? It's not accusatory. And then to the leader of Saudi Arabia, you know, Mr. Crown Prince or Mr. whatever you want to call it. Is there any validity to the United States intelligence operations

believing that your government assassinated a journalist? Is that it? Yes or no? And you could follow up with a why or why not depending on the answer. Does that make sense to you? That's how professionals do it. It's how I've done it for more than 50 years. But I've made mistakes and I'm gonna go over one of those mistakes that I think you'll find interesting. But President Trump knows that Mary Bruce,

NBC, CBS to a lesser extent now that it's been sold, CNN, MS now, whatever it is, he knows they're in business to embarrass him not to get information, yet he still gives them access. For me, I wouldn't. I just wouldn't do it. Because the Saudis already feel that the American system is ridiculous, or the Chinese, so does Putin. Again, if you tried that, if Mary Bruce tried that in Riyadh, the capital of Saudi Arabia, you might not be around much too long there.

So why? Why does President Trump allow this stuff to happen time after time after time after time? And I think he just likes the joust. I think he wants to show his supporters that he's not gonna take any BS, that he'll kick back. I think that's what it is, but we've got it now.

And these are important things. So summing up, not going to change. You've got three more years of this. I do respect President Trump being accessible to the press. I mean, Biden, forget it. Never in a million years could I answer at him.

And I was wrong. That's not what democracy is but sometimes you might cut back a little bit that's a memo. Alright Epstein mania only one person in the House and the Senate voted to not release the Justice Department data on Jeffrey Epstein. One. And it is Congressman Clay Higgins of Louisiana. Apparently he doesn't have cable TV.

That's what he said on the radio. Or he's out in Bayou Tej somewhere. And he couldn't get back. I don't know. Now if I were a congressman or senator, I would have voted to release the data because it's the American people clearly want. All right, most of the American public quoting the polls think there's a big conspiracy, government's covering up stuff, they believe whatever they want to believe. That's what folks do. We live in

an age of conspiracy theory and it's driven by social media. People make a lot of money doing it and you know, we don't do that here

All right. So now the data comes out

After President Trump signs this bill, which he will

Attorney General Pam Bonnie is 30 days put it out and she will I'm not expecting anything major. I could be wrong if there is we will cover it

Fairly and clearly. What will we do? Okay? But I am expecting a lot of horror and a lot of things that are very, very wrong. Now, last night on News Nation, which is the best, if you want news coverage, that's the best network. I'll be on tonight at 8 p.m. with Cuomo. It's not because I'm on there. I'm on there a couple of times a week. But they try to be fair.

All right, so you got Chris Cuomo last night interviewing a lawyer for one of the victims, alleged victims, very legitimate. Of course you're going to do that. The woman's name is Annie Farmer. Okay, and she's been around for a while. She made all kinds of accusations about Epstein and powerful people, but she didn't name the powerful people and all of this stuff. Okay, so if you were just watching this interview,

you would say, well, that poor woman, what she went through and we need to get all the information to punish the people who harmed that woman. If you're a decent person, that's what you're thinking listening to this interview with Chris Cuomo. But to his credit, Cuomo then puts on the next guest, Alan Dershowitz,

who was accused, falsely it looks like, of doing illegal things with Epstein, and who represented Epstein. Here's what Dershowitz said. But I worry that if names are released of people who were accused without there being information released, that might cast doubt on the credibility of the accusers, like this former person, your lawyer who just presented. Her case never mentioned the fact that she said, I have a hard time with Jews.

All the Jewish people I met are pedophiles. Do you believe a person like that?

It would take you two minutes

to destroy her in cross-examination.

She should not be believed.

And that is the point. Unfettered information released to the public, the public is no blanking clue who's credible and who isn't, who's lying and who isn't. And then they form judgments and

then people get hurt. That's what I've been saying in the very beginning. So this is a tough, tough story. Now I'm going to back it up. Reuters poll, very unfriendly to Donald Trump historically. Lord has asked everybody. Okay, do you approve of Trump's handling of the Jeff D. Epstein files? Yes, 20%. No, 59%. This is when President Trump

was not going to put it out. Unsure, 21%. Do you think the government is hiding Epstein's alleged client list. Yes, 70%. No 8, unsure 22. I mean, the republic has already formed its opinion about this based on nothing. Based on nothing. So I'm sitting here and I'm going, OK, we're in witch hunt land. Imagine getting your medication from a pharmacy that actually makes your life easier. No more tracking down a doctor or waiting in line. All family pharmacy handles it all for you.

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a nice town in the northern part of the state, Joseph Tully, who is a criminal defense attorney who has appeared with me before. He's an honest man in my assessment and that's what we're looking for. Alright, counselor, number one, the way I'm framing this is okay. I'm a senator or a congressperson. I'm gonna want to vote yes on the release, but I am very, very uneasy about what may happen. Do you see it the same way?

I, sure. I do have concerns because as Mark Twain said, something to the effect of, you know, a lie will go around the world, you know, much quicker than the truth can put his pants on in the morning. And we have a system of justice of innocent until proven guilty, and that must always be adhered to. But I do share your concern that with the release of these files, that unchecked, unfettered information can go to the public.

They will draw the worst conclusions and kind of run with it and we'll have sort of guilt by association or a guilt within the press.

That's a fact. That's going to happen. And then the people who are in business to destroy Trump will cherry-pick what they want and the people who are in business to destroy the Democrats or Bill Clinton or whoever may be will cherry-pick what they want. We've already seen that. Now when the House Oversight Committee released some of the documents we had a bunch of emails by Jeffrey Epstein himself. Who cares? That's hearsay. The man is in prison.

All right, the man has been convicted, and what he says after the fact, it doesn't matter, yet the press is reporting this as gospel truth. I'm sitting there stunned, curious what this thug, this lowlife says. It doesn't matter, it's hearsay, it could be introduced in any court proceeding, correct?

Correct, yes. I mean, there are exceptions to the hearsay rule, but in looking through that from a legal perspective, I didn't see anything that if, from Donald Trump's perspective, that was any kind of, you know, actual threat against him or actual accusation.

Factually, you're correct, but that's not what the press did. Jeffrey Epstein says I can destroy him. That's what the press did. You saw it.

That's hysteria. Yes, while ignoring the fact that you had two Americans casually talking about blackmailing or possibly blackmailing a presidential candidate. They focused on his statements, which really didn't amount to any sort of accusation

against Donald Trump.

No, it was a general statement. So why do you believe that what our discussion is based on now has been suppressed? There is not a skepticism being shown by the national media about this information at all. It's gleeful, let me run and exploit this.

Why do you think that's happening?

So I do think that the water has built up behind the dam in terms of public disclosure and transparency. I think the American system is based on a transparency of government more so than any other country in the history of the world. With the Epstein files, I think it's pretty clear

that there's been a withholding of evidence. And the public got very, very fed up and sort of the pendulum swung to one side, release it, release it now, we're tired of it, we're frustrated, we've been waiting too long. And that, I think, is contributing to the public sentiment, where they're very, very upset that the disclosure has not happened. And now it is finally being released.

When you say, and now I'm in a court of law with you, well, there's evidence that there's a cover-up. What is that evidence in your opinion?

I don't see evidence of a cover-up. I see evidence of possibly delayed disclosure. Right now there's no evidence that evidence has been destroyed, which would be a cover-up.

Okay. Or, or suppressed. You know, so if the evidence is suppressed and it looks like there might be evidence in the assassination attempt on President Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania, the FBI might have suppressed evidence. And we're going to do that story tomorrow because we're a responsible news agency here. I have to check it. I can't take it out of the New York Post. I check it myself

because it's a serious concern. If the FBI suppressed evidence about the shooter, then you know, you got to look at it. But in this case, what I'm seeing is I wrote a book called Killing the Witches and the hysteria that all those hundreds of years ago in Massachusetts led to the death of 20 human beings Exactly the same hysteria is in play right now here in America last word I

Would agree with you I think that anytime you give a group of people power that is unchecked, you will end up with injustice. It happened during the Salem witch trials. We had young girls who would show up to court and faint and would go into convulsions while pointing the finger, which we know were false. There were witches that were casting magic spells over them. So in some degree, I see the pendulum has swung too far in that direction. We do need a balanced approach.

We do need reasonable review of the evidence.

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Now how about that, huh? Now the reason that I did that and I did it a couple times a week was because I was the only correspondent in the New York Bureau who could read that fast. And Jennings, he liked me. Now they have David Muir. David Muir. Now remember Peter Jennings. Picture him. Peter Jennings. There's Muir. Okay, he wears the same jacket, tie, and shirt every night. Every night! Five nights a week, same outfit. Jennings got his clothes at Savile Row in London, was a

dapper guy, little pocket hanky that I never wear. All right, he goes, how come you don't wear a pocket square? This is Jennings to me, I go, because I'm from Levittown. We wear pocket squares to get beat up. All right, now, I really respected and sometimes enjoyed my tenure at ABC News. I learned an enormous amount.

Totally different place now. It's not a knock on Muir, I don't know Muir, but I do know that last night's broadcast. He said one word 37 times. David Muir said one word 37 times in 22 minutes tonight. That means David Muir is not writing his script.

I don't even think he's reading it except on a teleprompter. I don't use a teleprompter by the way. I'm sorry by the way. I don't use a teleprompter. When I talk I talk to you from my mind. So it's a so different. It is so different. So I asked my producer, I said look maybe I'm being unfair to Muir because earlier this week I watched ABC evening news and he said the word tonight 41 times. I said, maybe it was a bad night.

Last night I said, put somebody else on it 37 times. Hey, David, we know it's tonight.

We got it.

All you have to do is, it's in the world news tonight, and maybe you say it two three times 41 times No, and Jennings Jennings had a pen all right, and if your script you looked at your script, and it wasn't Perfect add a cliche in it. That's why I'm the way I am Jennings was one of my mentors.

I watched everything he did. I don't know whether you noticed in the clip I used, but I kind of looked a little like a young Peter Jennings. All right, I mean, straight, good posture. Jennings was very, very strong-angered person. Rather, not so much, because I work for him too. All right so I don't know whether you enjoyed that or not but I figured I'd give it a shot with a little petty and I

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