Baby Demoni me dijo: “Usted nunca se va a olvidar de mí. Cuide a la niña”… y luego pasó lo peor

Chapter 3 There was a moment where I had a lot of questions in my head. When I was going to play the audio of the girl, the TV broke.

Why did you decide to record again?

I saw her fighting men. I had, I don't know if you can still see me, I had a trace of her. In several fights, I manipulated her into thinking she was going to screw up her life, that she was going to do these things.

You will never forget me.

The middle of the discussion was one of the words she told me. But why are you trying to prove that you had nothing to do with it?

Because they can say that I stole money, but where are the evidence? They can say that I mistreated her say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say,

I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say,

I'm going to say, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

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I don't know. Welcome to another episode of Conducta Delictiva. Today we bring a supremely important version in the case of Baby Demony or Alejandra Skin. The truth is that for people who do not have the context of this case, she died on October 15 of this year and her death is still a matter of investigation.

Today we are accompanied by Miguel Ángel López, better known on social media as Samor One, who was his partner at the time and also who has been pointed out on social media regarding what happened on October 15th. And he is going to tell us live his version los hechos. Samor, bienvenido

a Conducta Delictiva. Muchas gracias por la invitación a ustedes dos. Nos contaba que en algún momento usted veía el podcast. Sí, yo lo veía con ello. ¿En algún momento se imaginó que iba a estar aquí? No, en esos casos como muy be here? No, one of those cases where you are far away from reality because our life was never like this, or violent or anything like what you showed, you showed a very raw reality that maybe in our home or in our daily life was not seen.

We are going to that because there has been a lot of talk about this case. Who are you?

I introduce myself, I'm a rapper from Bogotá. I dedicate myself to music, I dedicate myself to social media. I dedicate myself to managing all this media that today has me like against the ropes stuck against the wall. I go out to talk because I'm exhausted. I'm tired.

I've heard all the insults, all the threats, all the threats of all the criticism that finally well everyone tells me, bro, I didn't pay attention

the one who has the last word is the law but here have been 15 days since Baby Demon left and the law has not called us, it is not pronounced

we are still in the same uncertainty so I'm going to talk first because I'm tired I'm exhausted I have a lot of depression. I'm one of those people who doesn't talk much,

doesn't vent a lot of problems. So, all these days, carrying this weight... I'm tired, I'm exhausted.

You were telling us, from the first moment this happened, we contacted you. You told us, let's wait for the authorities to do their job, it's not the time to talk. contact and that's why I'm here. Have you felt that you've been judged socially first, before it's really, legally, proven that you have something to do with what happened with Alejandra?

Well, for no one it's a secret that...

that my wife's death became the number one TV show. Everyone goes out to talk, everyone goes out to give their opinion, everyone makes money.

And the asshole is locked up in depression let's say that not even going through mourning because because I have not really been able to go through mourning a friend of mine told me recently that at this point you can't even cry your eyes out. Life goes on. I have responsibilities. I have duties. I'm an adult who answers for myself. Because of what Sumerce tells me, that I have a social judgment, that neither the police nor anyone else has declared me guilty.

Well, a lot of people and a lot of contracts, a lot of advertisements I manage myself in the world of social media, the world of social media is what feeds me so I also feel that my image is getting bad that I as a person. Because... I know I'm innocent. And everyone knows that.

Until today, I haven't been declared guilty. I can't go out. People recognize me. Some people tell me, Hey, I'm a photographer.

I don't want to take pictures. Others blame me. So... It's like... A lot of people sticking their finger in the same hole. Waiting, I don't know...

If...

Maybe with this media pressure, they think I'm going to say something I didn't do. Or they think that at some point I'm going to explode something I didn't do or they think that at some point I'm going to explode or I don't know if what they want is to happen the same thing that happened with baby so nothing my brother that's why I decided to take the initiative with you because I know you because I've seen por eso decidí tomar la iniciativa con ustedes porque los conozco, porque he visto que no son amarillistas, que no meten el dedo en la llaga, que son unas personas muy neutras para hacer sus capítulos, para hacer su contenido, entonces por eso confío en ustedes. What you just told us is to pay attention to it.

Have you ever thought about... ...against yourself?

I can say that since the baby was born, my lungs were half gone. My life was half gone.

So yes, I think about it every day. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't give up for them, but... I have had many thoughts like that.

Thank you.

Well, my love, I'm going to say more. In East East Asia story. Come on.

Say no to this. The people that knew her, they know She had a partner, when I met her she had a partner She was what you would call a mozo She in her partner, I think she was in the last ones She was a person that told me that she was the one that was the most in the last few and she was a person who told me that she was going through the tusa in the relationship and that when she felt that she could take off, she took off. So I think at that moment I was in that process, I met her, she was was with her boyfriend. And we saw each other a couple of times.

I knew she had a boyfriend. I didn't want to hurt her. But Baby... She had a personality that caught me. And I've been captivated since the first day I saw her.

For the people who are watching us in other countries... I've been captivated since the first day I saw her.

For the people who are watching us in other countries, in Colombia we call a guy a lover.

Yes, sir.

So you started that relationship with her while she was in another relationship.

And when did that love formalize? sustenía otra relación y cuando se formaliza eso, Samor? Nosotros los veíamos esporádicamente cada dos meses, cada tres meses. Pues les repito, nosotros no, o yo siempre le dije no le metamos corazón, ustedes ahí tienen su pareja, yo no tengo en este momento pues ninguna pareja, pero tampoco quiero meterle corazón. I don't have a partner at the moment, but I don't want to hurt her feelings either. So, we saw each other sporadically for a month, two months, a year, a year and a half. And then came a time when she lived more in my house than in hers, or in hers. Y ella vivía más en mi casa que en la de ella o yo en la de ella. Y ella vivía en Suba, Suba Aures, y yo vivía a la entrada de Soacha.

Entonces, ustedes se podrán imaginar.

De extremo a extremo.

El traje que nos tocaba para podernos ver.

De una hora de trayecto.

Claro. El traje que nos tocaba para podernos ver, para poder compartir, y pues que eran dos horas, The suit we had to wear to be able to see each other, to be able to share, and well, it was two hours and I could stay two or three hours maximum and I had to go back. That's why I say that there came a time when we lived without living. She stayed with me in my house for weeks, I stayed in her house and it got to a point where I made the decision I told her, no, we're paying rent, we're paying for services we're going to live together and that's how it was

And you went to live with her and her little one?

Yes, I took that responsibility.

From the first moment I saw the girl... I saw...

I don't know, I was captivated by the girl. The girl... She's a very awake girl. She's a very intelligent girl. She's a girl who learns everything very fast. So, from the first moment I saw her, we got along very well. We had chemistry, so to speak. I remember she was a year old when I met her.

At that moment, like any separation, I think the father of the child didn't respond for her again. And I decided to take that responsibility.

Samor, are you going to live together? How does that coexistence between you begin? Because one thing is dating sporadically, and another thing is already living with the person.

Well, baby, when she's going to live with me, she had already been through two homes. This was my first home. I was the one who had difficulty, let's say, to accommodate or get used to living with a partner, because I had never lived with any partner. a vivir con una pareja porque yo nunca había vivido con ninguna pareja, pero Baby siempre me formó y me mostró los ejemplos de sus demás hogares y me decía no vea esto es así, esto es así, tranquilo, usted se siente así, no se preocupe, es normal, es su primer hogar, por eso yo estoy aquí para digamos guiarlo en lo

que es manejar un hogar de una manera correcta. Y así fue.

Y como toda pareja, siempre hay inconvenientes.

Claro, duramos cinco años, fueron cinco años de felicidad, pero entre su felicidad y todo, como todo, hay problemas, hay discusiones, habían cosas que ya no se aguantaba de mí, habían cosas que yo no me aguantaba de ella, normal, como dos personas conociéndose empezando un hogar.

¿Cuáles eran como esos motivos donde ya alguno de los dos estallaba y cómo era la reacción de cada uno en esos momentos de tensión?

Nuestras peleas generalmente siempre fueron por bobadas, sino que ella siempre tuvo un momentos de tensión. She was talking really loud, or screaming. So the first times, or the first fights, she would tell me, No, I talk like this, calm down. I don't know if this is a bit offensive, because I talk like this, but I felt like she was attacking me. Our fights were because Baby didn't like how I laid the bed, I left the shower in theed after I took a shower, the kitchen flushed, just little things like that.

The biggest fights we had were probably because when she started her social media, life changed, people treated us differently. So it was more because Baby was always very spontaneous. Fernando Pérez Olivaria speaking Spanish You have to take care of that because you are a person who has to take care of your way of speaking. So, that will be our problems.

At some point in those discussions, was there physical abuse?

What I'm telling you, Bibi was a strong character, she was violent, she was a person that... I feel like I'm talking bad about her, but we have to expose the case. She was a person that, if she wasn't right, she was super proud. If she wasn't right, she wouldn't bow her head and hug a third person.

And from your side?

From my side it was different, because as I told you, I came from a relationship torture you do party in me party I different a particular molly's D go join yeah they're not a last year get to it is the Kolejo Kieron Arrela's is a siphon of last year meet those camera lesson anterior for an arrelation you could give a common

be prepared as you know she took this business I did a Kolejo e con esa relacion aprendi muchas cosas que con baby no no pose a girl patrol no And with that relationship I learned a lot of things that with Baby I said, no, I can't follow the boss, I can't keep acting this way. So I was like, although I also had my character and like any human being that they push and push and look for and look for the fight and look for the fight, well, sometimes I also jumped the fence, as one says. I was always like the one who tried to pacify things the most. So you could certify that you never touched her? Juanjo speaking Spanish because Baby never sued me. Because she was with me.

I mean, we lived in three different places, in three different apartments, because she never sued me, because she never spoke, because she never spoke. She was very open on her social media.

Everyone who knows her and follows her knows Baby's life, because there were even people who we passed by on the street and they knew her all their lives Fernando, que no debo exponer, que soy de mi vida privada. Y ella empezó a crecer de una manera exponencial, incluso más que Samor. Claro, yo le dije, yo el primer día que le dije, yo le dije, usted tiene una cara muy bonita, usted tiene una personalidad muy bonita, usted en este mundo puede ser lo que usted quiera ser.

En algún momento, viendo ese crecimiento, ese potencial que ya tenías, amor, ¿llegaste a sentir algo de envidia?

No. Siempre... Vuelvo y le repito, yo fui el que la metí a este mundo. Yo fui el que le dije, vea, un celular, para tomar una foto chimba en un celular, un video chimba, es así. Si usted quiere que su ángulo sea este, es así. a video is like this, if you want your angle to be like this, it's like this, if you want TikTok to generate you have to do this

I was the one who gave it the first steps and took it to that world not with the intention of ever feeling envy because if not, as we say, I would not have delivered my codes so that another person could be... could be... how do you say this? successful So, no, I never felt envy What we said was it doesn't matter if it's you or me who breaks it

if I break it, we both break it if you break it, we both break it It was always like that, it was just the three of us So... Fernando Reyes López, Jr. I saw that she was more famous than me, that she was doing better than me, but I'm the rapper. The artistic investment of a rapper is different because a person, an influencer, only has to take out his cell phone, five minutes, a story, give it to 12,000 people and that's it.

I have to pay for a recording studio, I have to pay an investment for my videos, I have to, apart from that, well, it's a secret for no one that if you don't pay advertising for your music to move, or for the algorithm to show your music, well, it doesn't work. So my life was different, at some point I told him, look, I give you these codes and I give you all this, but that's not my world. different sino de resistencia. Es un género musical que hoy en día también está muy estigmatizado. Samor, dices que asumiste la responsabilidad, pues, ya de conformar un hogar.

Y se ha hablado mucho de ese tema, ¿no? Han habido incluso versiones donde se menciona que Alejandra era quien sostenía ese hogar. ¿Cómo funcionaba económicamente el hogar de ustedes

baby's encargada de todo lo que era alimentación mercado el diario y yo me encargaba de lo que era la riendo los servicios el parqueado en mi moto bueno en fin ella se encargaba de todo lo que fuera alimentación diaria y yo me encargaba de todo de que el apartamento estuviera al They were in charge of everything that was daily feeding, and I was in charge of everything that the apartment was up to date. But, I repeat, my apartment was... They said in the group, the house of the influencers, there were always 8 or 10 people.

The receipts were 300, 400, because it was 24 hours, people working with social networks with energy with lights with his mother knows that all this is spent so that's why we say one day to square it that way hey you dedicate yourself to food and I I dedicate myself to having the day at your house so that you can work quiet and so it was several relatives point out that Y así fue. Varios familiares señalan que tú no respondías, que Baby asumía todo. Pues porque es que así se veía. No le digo, Baby era la que se dedicaba a la alimentación, la que todo el día ponía esto, lo otro.

Y yo era el que me dedicaba a que la casa estuviera al día. Pero servicios nunca hubo falta. Las personas que fueron a mi casa saben que nunca nos light, that there was never a lack of internet, that there was never a lack of gas, that there was never a lack of water. That like any other person at some point I hung up. I hung up because it happens. But thank God it wasn't more than a day, it wasn't more than a day, exactly. It It was more than a day that these events happened.

Samor, how was your relationship with Alejandra's family?

Not very good. From the first moment I went to live with her, the family told me a lot of bad things about her, like trying to... How do you say this? Like trying to make her regret the decision I made. No, don't get into a 11-bar shirt, Alejandra is very complicated, you don't have children, why did you take on such a responsibility?

But I was close to my girlfriend's love, my devilish life, so I never heard anything like that. From that moment on, I took distance from the whole family, because what father says that to you, what mother says that to you, about her own son who simply wants to build a home,

or wants... wants a well-being for the girl and for her. So, from that moment on, I took a lot of distance. That's why when we moved to live, it was very far from her family, very far from my family.

We were just the two of us, I always told her, we are the three of us. Nobody helps us, nobody supports us,

we are the three of us.

Did she leave her family because of her own decision, or did you have something to do with that separation from her family? What happened is that Alejandra was always a very hard-working woman. I met her when she was a veterinarian. She didn't work in social media. I was the person who told her, my love, you have a personality that can do well in social media. You can be a person who can, in quotation marks,

in colloquial terms, stick to this and live from this calmly. Because Alejandra was a woman who worked from Sunday to Sunday every day Veterinary, a dog hospital, imagine Every Sunday to Sunday she got up, didn't rest That's how she worked for 10 years When I met her, she had that job

Besides, she was a hairdresser, she was a canine stylist, she did prophylaxis. She ran a lot of branches of the veterinary school where she knew how to make her money, and it was money that came to her daily. She never looked bald, not even when she didn't have social media. She was a woman who looked for it a lot. So, I say, and I always thought with her, that the anger of the family, a mujer que se la rebuscaba mucho. Entonces, yo digo y siempre pensé con ella que la rabia de la familia, que ella se alejara o que de pronto ella abriera un poco los ojos, era porque ella estaba costeando también a la familia en ese momento. She paid more than half of the apartment in which the family lived,

paid for the services, paid for the internet. That's why there came a moment when I said, but if you are paying there and I am paying here, what are we doing? If you don't live there and I don't live here either, then why don't we live together?

And that's how it was. Alejandra, since she started on social media, also realized and she quickly knew who the people who approached her were for convenience because she was already being a public figure so from the first moment the family showed what they were. The... The mother abandoned her when she was little.

She met her after she was 14 or 15 years old.

She also had a lot of...

...resentment from the past.

So there were a lot of factors where she said, no, my family doesn't... ...don't contribute to me, they don't serve me, so I prefer not to be with them anymore. And that's how it was. Let's say, if they had to take care of the girl, she had to do some errands and they had to take care of the girl.

They had to pay them, or sometimes not even paying them, sometimes not even paying them, they said, no, why do I have to take care of children that are not mine? why do I have to? that was the first responsibility I took I told her, don't worry

that as long as you are with me maybe monetarily maybe a lot or a little but psychologically, love you won't miss that girl understanding while she went out to do her publicity rounds but psychologically, she doesn't lack love, she doesn't lack understanding.

While she went out to do her advertising rounds and everything, I was the one who kept taking care of the girl, the one who was taking care of her, her food, everything, because it was her dream, and her dream was to break her, to have for her a home, for a stability for her daughter and I only support her.

Let's go a little to her social circle. Remember, in all this that has been talked about, there is a name that is repeated in this story and it is Fresa. Do you remember the first time you saw him, heard him, how they met? Was it before you met him, was it during the relationship?

Baby... There came a time when was getting everything for free. Everything was free. Tattoos, food, everything she wanted to get for free. At that time, she really wanted to get a tattoo. And she wrote us a tattoo shop. Come on, we want to get Baby a tattoo for publicity. At that time, I was still kind of advised her, because she was starting. money for publicidad que no sé qué en ese tiempo yo todavía me dio la aconsejada porque ya estaba empezando lleva o sea ya lleva su tiempo pero

igual no era lo que fue cuando se fue entonces yo le dije pues vamos proveemos no pasa nada miremos no no hay pierde fuimos ella que muy encantada con el local con las chicas ese día llegó fresa que era el manager del local en el cual nosotros estábamos tatuándonos pero no sé desde ese momento siento que yo siento que viví el hicieron como match algo pasó no no tengo bien presente que fue lo que pasó pero algo pasó él dejó de trabajar con el local de

tatuajes y se puso directamente a trabajar con baby y cómo era la But something happened, he stopped working with the tattoo shop and started working with Baby.

How was the relationship between Fresa and Samor?

Well, it was a normal relationship. The truth is that it was her social circle, they were not my friends. So I didn't really understand what I could understand each other when we were at home. That we had some jokes, some jokes. But I never felt like we were like friends. We got along well because she made the decision that she was going to be the one to manage him. And I supported her in everything.

Wilson and Fernando agreed with that work relationship.

I always told her, I told her, you have to be smart. If you see that it benefits you, do it. Estuviste de acuerdo con esa relación laboral. Juanjo speaking Spanish I had my jealous period, I had my previous relationships where I learned, but when I was with Baby, I think she was a little more mature. When she started on her social media, everyone, no one, it's a secret that she said she was single because obviously if you go and you are in a live and you turn it on and say I'm not here with my boyfriend, I'm here with my partner, I'm committed to you you can go 100, 200 people who don't care that you have a partner so we always handled it that way, she where she de nosotros y así mismo era yo, las personas que la conocían eran personas de mi círculo social cercano, las personas que me conocían a ella era de su círculo social cercano.

Entonces era muy normal que mucha gente no estuviera enterada de que ustedes eran

el pareja y que tenían un hogar. Claro, porque Baby cuando prendía los lives ella Fernando- You guys were... It seemed like you had a home. Wilson- Of course, because baby when she turned on the lights, she always had a power. Wilson- I was telling her, she always had a power in her lips that caught everyone. Wilson- She could have 700 people, 5 hours a day connected. Wilson- And she talked and talked and talked and people didn't get tired. Wilson- And she talked to them, better said, she paid attention to everyone. Wilson- So, that way she worked too. Y les hablaba, les prestaba atención a todos. Entonces, de esa manera era como ella trabajaba también.

Y nadie sabía de mí. Nadie sabía de mí. Y yo no tenía ningún problema con eso porque en este mundo de las redes sociales, de pronto, el tener una pareja o estar casado para algunas cosas, dificulta o cierra puertas. some things, makes it difficult or closes doors.

In these last months, how was the relationship? Was there suddenly some reason to end it?

There was no reason to end it, that, that situation was often put on the table. Because, I repeat, sharing five years with a person every day, seeing her every day, eating with her every day, there came a time when we didn't know what to talk about anymore. What do you talk about with a person who is five years old? We talked about everything and at the end there came a time when we didn't have anything to talk about. Juan Felipe Alarcon, S.A. Fernando's Spanish to separate. If she had that thought in her mind and she could make it come true, she didn't do it until the day she was there.

So I can't tell you if she was going to do it or not. She acted normal with me.

That's another thing that has been discussed. How did you decide that she should get surgery? ¿Cómo tomó la decisión de que ella se operara?

Lo que pasa es que con Baby siempre, ella siempre fue sincera conmigo y me decía yo no necesito ninguna operación y yo le decía es que es verdad usted no necesita ninguna operación

¿Para qué se va a operar si usted no necesita ninguna operación? Usted es una mujer hermosa así como está I don't need any surgery, you're a beautiful woman just the way you are But suddenly, what I tell them I was so far away from her project because I had to focus on my project and on keeping the house stable So, I don't know if she got influenced by some people who told her something else Anyway, she ended up getting surgery Fernando, But did it bother you? No, it didn't bother me at any time. Why would it bother me? What do you tell her when she gets there, when she leaves her surgery?

A lot of people talk about how it was really her dream to get surgery and that she was very happy, very happy for that achievement. Well, yes, because at first she was going for an aesthetic surgery, but then the surgeon saw her and it ended up being, let's say, a more health-oriented surgery, because she had, let's say, been mistreated, of what it is to breastfeed a baby. She had... She had a... a caesarean, a caesarean scar. tenía una cesárea, una cicatriz de cesárea, entonces en ese momento ella lo tomó como

más por ese lado, dijo, si yo me lo voy a hacer es porque quiero que mi cuerpo vuelva a ser como era antes de tener mi hija.

Ya hablando del tema de la hija de Alejandra, ¿cómo era tu relación con ella?

No, nosotros éramos muy parchados, no te digo, permanecía más conmigo, Alejandra, ¿cómo era tu relación con ella? No, nosotros éramos muy parchados. No te digo permanecía más conmigo, Alejandra permanecía todo el tiempo en la calle, trabajando. Gracias a Dios yo tenía la posibilidad de trabajar desde la casa, en mi música, en mis redes. También cuando tuve trabajos formales me los conseguía desde la casa justamente por lo mismo. I got them from my house, just for the same reason. So, she had more manias than me, to be honest. She was more attached to me than she was to her. So, that was one of the reasons why when she tells me those audios, or I listen to those audios, I believe her.

Because she was more with me than with her. She had more manias than me. estaba más conmigo que con ella. Ella tenía más manías mías que de ella. Ya vamos para ese día y para esa conversación. Quiero preguntar por algo que creo que va a ser muy importante en el tema que estamos tocando y es, ¿en algún momento te sentiste and it is, at some point you felt predisposed with that closeness, that close friendship, that close that baby had with Fresa. At some point did you argue or did you feel uncomfortable with that relationship? No, it's just that I... I trusted Alejandra completely, so... I've always heard them talking about projects, about jobs.

Whenever I was present, their conversation was purely about work. Obviously, I had to go out to do my rounds, sorry, go out to record, go out to do anything I had to do on the street, and I Bye, my love, I'll leave you para que ustedes sigan trabajando, me iba. Se quedaban ellos solos y los únicos, y la única que quedaba presente era la niña. Pero yo porque confiaba en ella y porque pues,

así como yo le estaba dando la mano con una cosa, pues no esperaba que ella actuara de esa manera. And you were aware, and sorry to touch on this topic, but let's say that Fresa himself put it in public, and it's very bad to talk about this topic, but I think it's important, you knew about his sexual inclinations.

But he always told me that he was bisexual. I'm going to say it explicitly with the words he said. explicitly con las palabras que decía él. Él decía, yo soy bisexual, pero yo me inclino más por los hombres. A mí las únicas mujeres que me gustan son operadas. Entonces, por eso digo yo y vuelvo y le repito que cuando yo tomé esta conversación con Baby de operarse, yo le dije, usted no lo necesita, usted no lo... ¿para qué?

¿Y te quedó esa frase en la cabeza? I said, you don't need it, you don't... why? And you kept that phrase in your head? Sure, they told me, I like plastic, that's what he said.

But do you think that... in one way or another affected you, it made you think of things that weren't in your head before, that comment?

Well, it's not just that comment, estaban en tu cabeza antes de ese comentario? Pues es que no solo ese comentario. Alejandra no tenía esto que se llama la lengua bifida, que es que se parte la lengua haciendo dos. Conoció al Fresa, el Fresa la tenía. Fresa tenía la lengua bifida antes que ella, entonces ella a los meses se hizo la lengua bifida desde que lo conoció. Eran muchas cosas que que yo decía pues él en este momento está influenciando más en ella que yo, pero yo no lo veía malo porque yo lo veía era como su estética para su trabajo, yo en ningún momento tuve ningún pensamiento malo de decir de pronto es que la está cambiando o está...

no porque vuelva y le repito, todo lo que yo escuchaba cuando ellos hablaban era conversación netamente laboral.

¿Cómo se da esa conversación con la niña? ¿En qué momento llegan a hablar de ese punto?

Estaba yo jugando con ella en la cama, estábamos jugando, nosotros jugábamos mucho, ella llegó un momento donde me dijo, papi, cuéntame un chisme. She told me, tell me a joke. I thought about it and I don't know if the girl in her innocence wanted to tell me, but it was very spontaneous. I told her, her mom is a bad liar, we both started laughing. I followed her because I thought Alejandra heard it in a video I'm sure she saw it because she also We were also creating a girl that when she was a teenager was also strong on social media

So she also watched a lot of videos, learned a lot from her mom So I thought it was some tiktok When I told her, daughter now you tell me a gossip because he let her go like that without as we say without vaseline, fresa and my mom are cheating on you and I was confused because finally it was a girl and I said no, she is bothering me, I kept talking to her, but how come that Fresa and your mom are cheating on me? Yes, they do this, this, what you heard in the audios.

At that moment I could hear a little because, I repeat, Alejandra came to the room. She and I stayed like, we kept talking about the subject, she was a very understanding girl. She is still a very understanding girl, She is still a very understanding girl. She is a very intelligent girl. She is a girl who sees everything. Children are a sponge. They learn everything they see from their father figures. They take it as a daily routine in their life.

So when she told me that, I was in doubt. However, that night we slept well, we were all there The next day I took her out to the park, I bought her an ice cream, I bought her a slime and I sit her down and I say daughter, tell me what does your mom and dad do when I'm not around

and that's when the girl starts telling me all these things that you've already heard in the audios. However, as people tell me, I shouldn't expose a girl, but it's the truth. It's my truth. I mean... And why did you decide to record her? Because I didn't want the girl to be exposed or have to face her with her mom. Look what your daughter is telling me.

I didn't want that because she's a girl. The moment I face her with her mom, she's going to say, no, it's a lie, it's this, it's that. Because of the fear that her mom will correct her or punish her. So I did it, it was more like, not exposing her to the fight we were going to have. entonces yo lo hice fue más es como por no exponerle a ella la pelea que íbamos a tener porque pues con esas palabras que me dijo yo ya pensaba en separarme, yo como así.

Apenas, bueno, ya empieza esa conversación en el parque, ¿ahí mismo hay contacto con Alejandra o después ya se vieron de frente? ¿Qué pasó después de que...?

No, Aleja en ese momento pues no podía salir de la casa porque ya estaba en operación entonces vuelvo y le repito mientras ella estaba en cama yo era la que velaba por los cuidados de la niña que llevarla al colegio que recogerla al colegio que que llevarla al parque que estar pendiente de ella porque Alejandra en ese momento era una persona inmóvil no se podía no podía hacer del baño sola because Alejandra at that time was a motionless person, she couldn't take a bath alone. However, the days passed and she felt a little stronger, she even swept, she mopped, and I told her,

my love, you have to have rest, calm down, but she didn't, she was a woman who never stayed still. She was a very strong woman. A woman who... She could be dying of pain inside, but she didn't. Like a rock.

If you trusted her so much, why did you believe in what her daughter was telling you? Why didn't didn't think that maybe she had heard a video that they were creating or they were talking about it as a joke.

Why did you give so much validity to what Alejandra's daughter was telling you? Well, because she's a six-year-old girl who doesn't know how to read, who doesn't know how to write, who is learning in her reading and writing process. Alejandra and they kiss each other when the visitor is not there I repeat, the visitor were all the influencers who stayed in my house up to 4 or 5 days in a row so when the visitor is not there, they kiss each other but when the visitor is there, they look at each other there were many things I said

why a 6 year old girl who doesn't know how to read or write because that's another thing they say she's reading a paper she's reading a paper, she's... Papi is a girl who doesn't know how to read, who doesn't know how to write, who is in her reading process, in her learning process that a child, I say, I in my ignorance, a 6 year old child, how does one do so that those words are learned as if I manipulated them?

How does one do? What does one have to do so that a child learn those words and say them as she said them? If you listen to the audio, you listen very spontaneously. I never press her. All I say is, my love, I need you to please remember, remember what they do when I'm not around.

I didn't say anything else.

How long did it take for you to have that conversation? The confrontation you have with Alejandra.

If I'm not mistaken, that conversation was on a Monday. And she... And that was the next day. If I'm not wrong. Don't get me wrong, but it was like that. There were one or two days in between. And those were two days in which I behaved weird. I was distant, I was short.

So Alejandra also already... She noticed it. She noticed that I had something. I repeat, I didn't know her for two months. She didn't know me for two months either. When she had something, I knew. When I had something, she knew. No need for me to tell her anything. So, those were some days that were very... Like, with a lot of pressure. I didn't want to tell her anything because she was in surgery, but I was also saying, brother, but if I'm doing everything for this woman,

if I'm doing everything for this woman, why is she doing this and why is the is telling me these things and is seeing these things she tells me in the audio she tells me they do what you do under the bed with, that is, what I did with her under the bed under the, sorry, under the blankets, she tells me

they do what you do with my mom under the blankets Ellos hacen lo que tú haces con mi mamá debajo de las cobijas.

¿Por qué? Porque en algún momento, eh... pasaron cosas y la niña... estaba durmiendo ese día, se despertó y pues... como cualquier... hogar, eh... digamos, nos vio, nos vio haciendo...

haciendo lo que pasó.

O sea, morí en esos momentos donde Alejandra felt weird, when she asked what reason I gave her. No, I'm normal, normal. I'm fine, calm. Don't worry about your recovery, stay in bed, what do you need? If I was weird, I would never take away the support. Not that, oh, you're operated and you left it in a bed, no. But there came a time when there were many questions in my head, there were many questions of why, why, why, no. I said, I have to touch this topic because I can't keep this whisper every day and with this, let's say in quotation marks, that relationship that there is nothing and that nothing happens

when really inside I was feeling terrible.

At some point you planned something, what were you thinking? What was going to end that day? What was going to happen after you told him what you had heard from her own daughter's mouth? What was that imagination?

Of...

I'm going to leave I'm going to face her with what purpose What were you thinking?

I was just thinking that... With those words, the world collapsed for me I had Alejandra on an altar. Alejandra for me was my queen, my goddess. When the girl told me that, she fell off the altar. I said, I don't want this anymore.

I'm sacrificing many things in my life so that this woman can be successful. So that this woman can is what she is today, so that all these things are happening to me, or that I am doing all these things in front of the girl. You ask me why I do it in front of the girl. I repeat, the girl with me had a lot of confidence because all the time I was the one who picked her up, the one who took her, her lunch, her food, the one who was with her while her mom worked. So she was with me. That's why I know she had the frankness and sincerity to open up, to open her heart that day and say, Dad, this is happening, this, this, and this.

And what happened that October 14, Samora? She goes to the doctor, and what happens the rest of the day?

She goes to the doctor, she does her massages the girl was in school I took her to school because I didn't want to expose her I didn't want to confront her with her mom so she went to school we got home around 2pm

and she sat me down she already felt things and she was the one who sat me down and said, you're weird you have something why are you like this?

the only thing I say, excuse me for the word but the one who does it, imagines it the only deduction she had in her head of why I was like this was that I had another person las imagina la única deducción que ella tuvo en su cabeza del por qué yo estaba así era que yo tenía otra persona fue la la la conclusión de ella se está así porque usted tiene otra persona porque usted

me estela me la está jugando y yo por dentro decía pero cómo cómo se le ocurre si yo me la paso en mi casa encerrado But how? How can she do that? I have her in my house, locked up. With my daughter. She had my social media, she used to manage my TikTok. And since she became a hard nut to crack, I told her to help me manage my TikTok, you know how it is, help me with this. She had everything. So I always said, why are you telling me this if you have my social media passwords,

you know where I put them, you know how my friends are. So that was the conclusion. When she told me that, I was filled with emotions, let's say, like a B, and I said, why is she telling me this, knowing that what I know is that she is doing it, or what the girl tells me is that she is doing it, Fernando speaking Spanish Fernando. I don't know, I don't know. I know that what this person is saying is true, because she has not seen it because she would have to say these things.

Why does she have in her mind these words, so raw and as she says, so sincere, if according to her she has not seen it? or it wasn't like that like she was telling me, she denied it she denied it until at that moment when I was going to put the audio of the girl, the TV broke because of the anger because I told her, I'm going to put these words and you're going to tell me if I'm going to put these words and you're going to tell me if I'm lying but she was very, very accumulated anger and she didn't let me put them

she took them and broke the TV

how?

with her hand it's just that for the people close to her, Alejandra had Alejandra had a very strong character, Alejandra had the strong personality. She was very good at breaking things. She could break a TV today and tomorrow she could break a bigger one. She was always like that. She could break a mirror today and tomorrow she could break a better one.

Why, from that moment that the conversation escalates, why did you decide to record again? I repeat, in our previous discussions, Alejandra told me that just, let's say, fame came to her head. So she did a lot of things with people that didn't like her very much, to make her feel less. I mean, with a lot of people, I saw that she did a lot of things, so she said, I have the power to turn off anyone's career or life. She told me.

I have the power to do that today. Many previous discussions about fights we had, I repeat, normal fights. She in her hysteria, I don't know if she said it maybe out of anger, she said it because sometimes in fights you don't think about what you say. But she often told me, just as I can help you, I can bury you. Just as I can help you know everyone, I can also help you not know anyone.

So I recorded that conversation simply with the certainty of healing my health because I said, this girl realizes that I have these audios that I have these proofs so she will surely want to go on social media to turn me upside down and say that it is a lie what the other people are saying, that I manipulated the girl so I simply did it to safeguard my musical career and my social media, which was what was giving me food at that time.

But I recorded it, just as a test, but I didn't think it would be Alejandra's last words. I didn't think that a normal couple's discussion of infidelity, to escalate this.

And the TV breaks.

What's going on? You were still recording.

The TV breaks.

I repeat, Alejandra is a very strong person. She hits me. She says very offensive words. Obviously, I also used very offensive words in my rage I repeat, when I had arguments with her, she was such a temperamental woman with a lot of character I would go out, breathe a little, I would go for a walk for half an hour, I would come back a little calmer she was also a little calmer, and we tried to solve the situation.

So when she hits me, when she says those words, when my only thought is that, about avoiding her, letting her calm down and when she calms down I come back and we talk again because obviously she had surgery, but with her surgery she was hitting really hard she had a really heavy hand because she raised dogs 2 or 3 times bigger than her because when she worked in the veterinary so Alejandra was always a very strong woman

and when we had problems problems that we had in the neighborhood she was the one who fought, she didn't let me fight and if they touched me, that woman would become a demon I never fought, she was the one who fought. I saw her fighting men.

I saw her... She only fought men, she wasn't like a normal woman who would scratch or pull their hair. She was a very rude woman, very rude. That's why I say, how to tell me that I hit her, mistreated her, when there were problems because we had several mistakes, let's say, in the neighborhood in which we lived because the first neighborhood

in which we lived was a neighborhood a little dangerous and there were some people who tried to steal us that day and Alejandra stopped with them at gunpoint like a man, that was the first time I saw her fight and I said, that woman is de día y Alejandra se paró con ellos a puños como un hombre. Esa fue la primera vez que yo la vi pelear y yo dije, esa mujer es un roble. Por eso digo que es que ella era una roca. Ella podía sentirse súper mal por dentro, pero ella por fuera era una roca. Ella no se mostraba triste, no se mostraba... ¿Qué pasa en ese momento, en ese lapso de tiempo después de lo del televisor? What happened in that moment, in that period of time after the television? After the television, since she didn't let me show the evidence, the television was already damaged,

I sent her the audios to her cell phone, so that she could listen to them on her cell phone. And I told her, tell me if this person you are listening to is lying. She listened to the audios, at that moment she came back, and I repeat, she emotionally decompensated. This person you are listening to is lying. She heard the audio. At that moment, I repeat, she was emotionally decomposed. Her face was like... like in awe, thinking that her daughter was saying all these words.

All she said was that I had manipulated the girl, that I manipulated the girl. When I repeat, I was her father figure, my daughter's father figure, but I wasn't the father. The upbringing and the rest of the things were Baby's responsibility. I was just an accompaniment in her father figure and upbringing when she couldn't be there. Fernando, There's an audio where she tells another person that you told her that you were disgusted with her because she was a plastic. She noticed that you never agreed with that surgery. What do you have to say about that? I repeat, maybe those were words that I said a little bit off-topic.

Because I repeat, I didn't know Vivi for a month or two. I knew when she was lying to me. Even if she denied it to me, I already knew when she was lying to me. At that moment I also noticed a lot of attitudes when she was telling me lies.

When you decide to leave, does she say anything? Does she warn you? What happens when you open the door?

No, we don't cross words. What was the last thing you said to each other? The last thing I said to her was... Those ugly words. I repeat, in my mind I was like, why did she become like that? She didn't need that anymore.

So I just said... Why did she have to do it. Why she became plastic, like Alfreza says, that she likes it. Why she became plastic. Because Alfreza, when he said

that he likes plastic women, the next day he changed his mind and became plastic. Those were the last words. I remember that she sat on the couch crying. I left.

I even forgot her with my daughter.

You go down, you go to your friends,

what conversation do you have with them? I don't know if you can see me, but I had some scratches here, here, I don't know if you can still see me, I had a scratch of her. At that moment, you know that the woman was scandalous. I saw my face full of scratches, I said, this woman did something to me after she cleaned me up. It was some scratches that she did here, some pimples that I have here. But then I arrived, they saw me like this and they asked me what happened. I told them, no, my brother had this fight with Baby because of this, this, this. They told me, their words told me, little brother, you have to go to the prosecutor's office to sue this woman because she hit you and that was what I was going to do at that moment, I said, hey, yes, because this woman is hitting me

however, at that moment when we were doing all the process of getting the car out of everything, she sent me that message What message? The message was... I already showed it in the video I uploaded, but the message was... I never did anything to her, forgive me for everything. Please take care of my daughter. That was the last message she left me. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. I manipulated him into thinking he was going to screw up his life, that he was going to do these things. I repeat, I was more the thinker, the one who would bow his head if he didn't have the reason. No, my love, why are you going to do this? That day he told me, but in the words he wrote to me I felt that it was really going to happen.

That day in the middle of the fight, he told you?

No, that day he told me in the chat, that's what I mean, when she wrote me the last words, my sixth sense that I already knew her, I said, no, this woman can go against her life this time, because I left her, the last time I saw her, she was full of emotions.

But what Kevin means is, within the discussion that day, she mentioned that at some point.

The only word that I say that she kept in my head during the discussion was You will never forget me. And that's recorded. You will never forget me. During the discussion, one of the words that she said to me I'll never forget her. She told me about the argument. It was a couple argument.

We had our bad words. I didn't expect it to escalate.

When you read that, how long did it take to get back to the apartment?

It's funny because with the friends we were with, she sent me the message and I showed it to my music producer, and she told me, don't worry, she's got a daughter, she has a daughter to live with, she's not going to do anything. However, I said, no, let's go and... we finally confirmed that she was fine. Indeed, that was what we did, he took out the motorcycle, we took a long time.

It is that standing from my house to the recording studio they were like 15 minutes standing, but the motorcycle was 5 minutes, that took us. I arrived, he kept the motorcycle in the parking lot, I went in, when I went in she was already... She was already a little bruised, I don't know how long she had been there. I took that, I took the street, maximum 20 minutes, half an hour I say,

but when I got there she was already bruised, she had her lips bruised, I cut the sheet there, she was already blushing, her lips were already purple. I cut the sheet with which she was sleeping. I gave her the first aid in the bathroom. I saw that she was not reacting. I tried to get her up, I repeat, her body was very heavy. I dragged her to the corridor of the block we were living in.

I started screaming, Help! Help please! A neighbor came out to the third floor and gave her the first aid. I don't know if you've seen it, but that was another problem that they caused me because I took these videos just so the family would know. I sent those videos to my dad because the last time I had contact with him was directly with my dad and my sister. I sent them to my dad to tell him, look, I'm going to send you the videos, but I'm going to send you the videos to my sister. the father because I will say with whom I had contact that day the last time I left her in the hospital was directly with the father and with the sister I sent them to the father to tell him see this is what

happened not I am telling my version but by the mouth of another person this was what happened however, the children of the lady who appears in the video later called me and said no, I do not authorize you to use that as evidence I do not want you to use my mom as a witness We didn't authorize that video, however, my dad already had that video because it was the moment I recorded it I saw him and I showed it to him and I sent it to him on WhatsApp Just like the video where the sheet comes out and I cut it with the knife there

I recorded all that as a sample of what man I did nothing I did nothing, I sent you these videos so you know how it is but I didn't think they were going to use it that way and they were going to have to reverse the information

but why that desire of yours to show that you had nothing to do with it.

Because I repeat, Baby Demony hadn't been in the hospital for 20 minutes and El Fresa comes out with a video saying that a neighbor called him when the ones we were living with were Alejandra and me, and I wasn't even talking to the neighbors. I mean, we had no contact with the neighbors at all.

And he comes out saying that Baby Demon and I didn't give her any sheets on her neck. That she didn't... I mean, he comes out saying a lot of things that I repeat again, that after he found out that the girl was saying that, he was washing his hands. He comes out saying, they are saying that Baby Demon and I will have a relationship

when no one was saying it, he was saying it, he was her daughter no, no one had told me, no one had told me but he expresses himself as if everyone knew as if everyone... I don't know, I feel like those videos are to wash your hands so what I do is...

I remember so much that I go with my daughter's grandfather. I go with the grandfather, I give it to him. He goes to the cell phone, I watch those videos and I say, but... This guy, what? Why is he doing this? I repeat, we haven't been in the hospital for 20 minutes So I remember that we were taking care of a dog

that was a friend of hers and I... in the confusion of that day, I had forgotten about the dog So I remember that there was a dog that had to be picked up because I said, that apartment I can back to that apartment until the CTI comes and get their evidence, because they will say that if I go in and out, I moved something

or that I put something so I went in to pick up the dog because I said, well, what if the dog doesn't come back in? until the agent arrives and the dog has no food, no way to get out so I went in, I took the dog out, it took me less than two minutes I make that video, I upload it, I make the video with the lady and I send it to the man

so they go out to the hallway, Samor gets Baby out to the hallway, the neighbors come out and he continues to pay a baby al pasillo salen los vecinos y que continúa pasando sale la vecina del

tercer piso le da respiración boca a boca yo de los gritos salió todo el mundo apareció una vecina del primer piso que era médica yo me dijo que era médica entonces pero que estaba operada entonces como pudimos la acomodamos para que ella con su la médica con su I was in surgery, so we tried to get her to get her first aid with her surgery. Baby didn't respond, she didn't give any signals. However, we called 1-2-3, and when they called 1-2-3 they said,

the ambulance took half an hour. I said, no, half an hour is I said, no, that woman is leaving in half an hour. Half an hour, I couldn't wait. My friend left the group, I asked for a taxi, the taxi came into the group, we got her in the taxi, three people in the taxi, I stayed in the taxi, and we were two minutes away from the Roma clinic. That's where I took her.

Did you tell her anything about the trip?

I just told her, my love, don't leave me. I'm your daughter. You can't leave me. Get up. You're a warrior.

Those were the only words that came out of my mouth. You can't leave me, baby. You can't leave me, Alejandra. I was crying. I was crying. I was crying. I was crying. I was crying. I was crying. I was crying.

I was crying.

I was crying. And you get to the hospital, what happens to her?

We get to the hospital, I go in with her, I go in... That hospital doesn't have any more emergencies, but since it was a vital emergency, obviously they attended to her. I mean, they reanimated her at that moment, she was already in a delicate state, but she still had vital signs. I was taken the data of the person who admitted him, I went later, Baby did not have EPS. So, since we were independent, the truth is that I always told Baby, pay for your EPS, you know, but she never saw it as a need. She always listened to me.

I went to the hospital to be reanimated. It was like 3.40pm. I went down to the second floor. 3.40 in the afternoon, I go downstairs the lady tells me you have to you have to register the SIS to the SIS-BEN

because every day you're going to get a slap in the face I thought, don't worry about the money, give it to me in private all I need you to save it. Half an hour later, my sister arrived, stunned, with police. She arrived directly with two police officers.

I don't know why, she was so stunned, saying that she had fought her life for the fight we had both had. The police came and they interrogated me, they approached me as if I were the one who had done that to her. I told them what happened, I showed them the evidence. She was also very upset, she was saying a lot of bad words to me. Her father had already arrived and was downstairs. I then meet the father, I tell him the situation.

The father is also a little disbelieving of what is happening. But there comes a moment when Baby got worse. Baby got worse, and the recriminations started, the attacks by the family that we don't want to see him here, that what you do here, that this is your fault that Baby demonitized this decision because of you so it became a very critical and algy environment

that the only thing the police said, I repeat, explicit words from the police officers, the only thing they said was, brother, you had a couple's argument with your partner, but you didn't make the decision for her, please leave, the relatives don't want to see you here. And that's how it was. And that's how it was. That's why I couldn't go to the hospital because the police were there. Papio, why are you coming? Why are you coming? We told you we don't want to see you here. That's why when the funeral happened and everything happened, the lawyer and the investigators' recommendation was

please don't leave your house because your head has a price. This was after the whole media show that La Fresa put on. So they told me, please don't leave your house because... ...you may want to say goodbye to her, another tragedy may happen. At this moment, all I've done is listen to what everyone tells me.

There was a confrontation between you and your sister, I understand, days before.

Yes. What do you have to say about that? The evidence is the evidence, I repeat, it was a family that was only with her for convenience, because this comes out for free, because this aesthetic procedure comes out for free, because Alejandra that day had her operation, and we left we left at 6 in the morning she said please the only thing I need is that in that week they were on vacation week, the kids were on vacation, so my daughter was there, the daughter of the

sister and the younger sister of baby, they were staying that week there in the house, so she said the only thing I need is for you to have the house fixed and for you to have a broth because I need to get to eat, that's the first thing they told me when we were at the hospital I was going to buy her a broth I was going to buy her, I was going to send her to make a good broth another person who was also there with us, sister of the broths, was going to send her to make a broth but I called my sister and I told her, come I need you to please have a broth for baby

can you do that? we are almost going to go out ah yes, calm down, I'm going there, I don't know what well we got home that day at about 6 in the afternoon the house turned upside down I repeat, I was going to buy the broth so that she didn't have to do it, but she was the one who offered to make the food so that she could be there. There was no food, there was nothing. So my recrimination towards her is, why did you tell me that you were going to do it if I was going to buy it and you didn't?

If what she needed to get was to sit down and eat, because of the specifications that the doctor gave me. And well, just like Baby, the whole family has a strong personality. So, this woman couldn't stand that I told her these words, and she started to scream at home, she started to say a lot of things, she also confronted Baby. Baby, obviously it was the first day of surgery, she couldn't have rabies, she couldn't have anything. So, the only thing I told them was, no, you are attacking Baby, Baby at this moment can't have rashes, can't have fights, please leave the house.

I don't want to see her here, leave because you are not collaborating on anything. We are collaborating because she also had her job, so while she was working, we took care of her daughter. Obviously, there, everything, but well... she didn't contribute, she didn't send anything, so I was also in charge of that, that I'm helping you with something and I just ask you to please have a broth for me and you can't have it for me, but when you need me to do this and this for you necesita que yo haga esto y esto por usted, usted es la primera que corre y que dice que venga y que no sé qué, para esas cosas sí, pero cuando yo necesito de ustedes, ¿por

qué no están?

Después de que los patrulleros ya le dicen, bueno, fuera de acá, ¿usted se devuelve el apartamento o qué hace?

No, en ese momento cuando ellos me dicen eso, yo ya había recogido la niña y la niña I had already picked up the girl and the girl was with a friend of mine who was taking care of her while I was going through all this. At that moment I tell the grandfather, hey, what a shame, I have the girl, I need you to please pick her up because if you can't be with me. So that was the last day I saw the girl. You said you were not the father who did not have to do this, Carlos. Fernando speaking Spanish ¿Qué puedo pelear ahí ante la ley? ¿Y en qué momento entonces se da esa discrepancia con la fresa?

Si usted ya se había ido...

Porque es que yo me fui, dejé la niña con él, cuando volví, no recuerdo si fue... yo tenía el celular de Alejandra, entonces no recuerdo si fue la hermana que me marcó diciendo que necesitaban plata, I don't remember if it was... I had Alejandra's phone So I don't remember if it was the sister that called me saying that they needed money and I was the only person that

knew about her finances I knew how she got her phone, how she did everything because she had her keys for everything, different So I got there, I gave the phone to the sister I told her, look, the key the key is this this is what we have, I didn't take a dime, check the transactions there are no transactions to my account

and there was Alfreza I was even with my stepmother, who is like my mom because she raised me since I was 8 years old and she came to me and said why are you doing this? what is the reason for you to go out and talk

and expose this case in a media way if not even 20 minutes had passed? and he said, I repeat why are you doing this? his only answer was I did it because I wanted to, I have my lawyer here

that was his only answer he had. I just told him, you know you are to blame. You have something because no one in their five senses acts the way you are acting. Because from the beginning it was seen that Fresa only wanted to use Baby to get to where she is now. And at that moment it was like the resounding demonstration that if Baby Demonia is in the hospital at that moment,

and what we need at that moment is for her to recover, why do you go out and do a media show and label a few people that you know talk about this and that and this? Why do you do that? What was your decision? you. I'm not going to lie to you. I'm not going to lie to you. I'm not going to lie to you. I'm not going to lie to you.

I'm not going to lie to you.

I'm not going to lie to you. to feel so much fear of, let's say, that friction that you two had there.

I don't know, because Fresa knows that I don't come from a criminal family, nor do I have any connections with any criminal, nor do I handle myself in that world. I just told him, I approached him and I said, Daddy, why are you uploading that video? Where do you upload that video? I repeat, I told him the same words Alejandra, you haven't been in the hospital for 20 minutes and you already

tagged Juliana Calderon You tagged Gina Calderon Why do you do that? The problem is that right now, the most important thing is the health of health, and not that you go out and expose him and make a media show. That's why I say that he was washing his hands, he was to blame. And the only thing he thought about was making this problem bigger and making me look like the bad guy.

For all, I repeat, for all those actions of the strawberry, that later Gina Calderon comes out saying that baby demon and had brands of well for all those reasons is that they start to me to get a little message that we already know what your house is, we already know that your neighborhood is this, we already know that you have a good time, we already know the clothes in which your father is, he goes out until now, a little bit of comments that there was where the investigator told me brother you at this moment you can not

leave you can't leave right now

You can't leave because we are investigating and your head has a price Obviously, I repeat again I wanted to say goodbye to Alejandra in her funeral

In her funeral But I was in shock, I was just listening, they told me not to leave. I was in shock, the patrician told me I don't want to see him here. I was just doing, let's say, what the law was telling me, without knowing that maybe that, in front of the public opinion, would hurt me. But it's that, even though me in front of the public. But even though I wanted to leave the house, my family didn't let me leave. They were also afraid for my safety, so they said that anyone who believed these people who came out to talk and say these things

could do it against me and the tragedy could be double so I repeat I only listened to the indications that my lawyer told me that the investigator told me that the patrolmen told me people ask but if you are making the video from the house and your wife is la gente pregunta pero si usted está haciendo el video desde la casa y su mujer está en el hospital porque usted no está acompañándola pues porque no podía porque los familiares en su enseguimiento

enseguicimiento de rabia pues pensaban que yo que por culpa mía estaba pasando todo esto yo no me podía acercar a ningún lado I knew that because of me all of this was happening and I couldn't go anywhere. Did you make the effort to go say goodbye to her? Of course. First my family tried to contact my father, my sister, who were the contacts they had. I repeat, I was in shock. I didn't want to talk to anyone. I had no words. So they were the ones who tried to communicate, but never responded.

I did want to say goodbye to her, to go see her in her funeral, but the family left me many threatening messages, many painful messages in her pain. They were also looking for culprits. They told me, we don't want to see you here. A friend of mine who is helping me told me, don't worry, if that's what it is, we'll gather all our friends and go there.

We'll go with your lawyer. At first I accepted, I said, let's go, because she's my wife and it's the last goodbye I'm going to give her but I repeat, if I wanted to leave, my family wouldn't let me because of the researcher's recommendations, the lawyer's recommendations it hurts me a lot not being able to say goodbye to my girlfriend

I respect her decision Another point I wanted to touch on was why I went out to talk to a person who is not a famous journalist who is a person we confabulate when I go out to talk like this, it's because

I don't monetize Facebook, I don't monetize Instagram I monetize TikTok, but when I do live and they send me their gifts, but I don't monetize TikTok for views, likes, or followers I did it with the simple intention of not gaining weight with none of this

like all the other people that appear on podcasts, that appear on YouTube it's no secret that all these social media platforms monetize but I don't monetize them because obviously there are some parameters that they don't have to meet and I haven't met them so that was my reason why I uploaded them to my social media in way, so as not to have to gain a weight from this and not continue to see this tragedy as a television program.

Samora, there is another thing that has also been talked about a lot and it is precisely that issue of the cell phone, that when you give it to your sister, she checks certain things and sees that the cell phone was maybe or presumably manipulated at some point, how... I was asking her more focused how do you get the cell phone of Baby Demony and

at some point you manipulated it somehow? money This neighbor told me, I have her keys. So when I go to get the dog, I find her cell phone on the floor and I take it. Because I said, this girl is in particular, we need to pay. The person who admitted her told me that just admitting her is worth 700,000 pesos. Just admitting her to the medical center so they can take care of her is worth 700,000 pesos. So my thought was, oh no oh no, there's her cell phone since I can't be there, then you take the cell phone

but I honestly I didn't check her cell phone because maybe I think that maybe she in her last conversations, said something bad about me

or in her last conversations she said offensive things to me and I didn't want to carry those words in my heart so I preferred not to look at that cell phone at all.

Where did you sleep that night?

That night I stayed with my dad. My dad lives about 15 minutes from where we lived.

Samor, in the TikTok that you uploaded after everything that happened you say that after that discussion you went out to get some fresh air and you came back however, in the videos that were uploaded recently from your account you say that you went to the studio where you always record your songs.

Why that change in the version? What really happened after you discussed with Alejandra?

I start to look at my audios and analyze them and I say that it is not a change of version. I repeat, every time I fought with her, I did that action. I went out, took a little air, I breathed, I turned around, that was what I said, I mean, going where my friends are, going where my friends are, I didn't take anything away, because I did go where they were, I was for a while, I did the same thing I said, I went where they were, I took a breath, I calmed down, and I was going to come back, that's when she sent me that message. However, I repeat, I was in shock, I was nervous, my wife was in the hospital at that moment. I mean, the words I said at that moment, maybe they were misinterpreted, or maybe I didn't know how to express myself because of the shock I had, because my wife was in the hospital, I couldn't go see her.

I couldn't go to the hospital, at any moment since I left her.

Baby Demony's sister says you took a silver and even took her clothes.

What do you have to say? Since that day happened, since that situation happened, I haven't gone back home. The people who picked up my clothes and everything were my family. She did have cash, but she invested that money in her surgery, which wasn't free, she had to pay a part of it.

She gave that part to Juliana Calderon at the Bank Colombia, from the center of Bosa, to Juliana Calderon. It was like 8 million. She got it. However, the money was not cheap. The stock that she had to use was not cheap. The medication that she had to use was not cheap.

That money was spent on her operation. Since she was not working, doing what she does to make money, she would take it for her daughter's expenses, for the house expenses.

So she never took anything, not even her family.

No. I repeat, I haven't returned to that apartment since that happened. I can't... I don't know... I don't feel like going in. So... My family members were the ones who picked up my things.

Her things too. It was one of her family members who picked her up in front of my family. When they picked her up, they didn't say anything about money, clothes, anything. I in the apartment and the recording of that day no longer appears.

What happened with that material?

The camera was a TEMU camera, the camera was there, for decoration. The camera worked, it connected, but you could only see, see in real time and talk. And we used it, it was suddenly when we had to go out for a walk nearby. We didn't want to be late. And the girl was left alone. So we looked at her through the camera and talked to her.

Daughter, are you ok? Do you need anything? I almost don't... But the camera did have a micro SD slot. But the camera never had a micro SD. Do you know anything about systems? micro SD pero la cámara nunca tuvo micro SD algo de sistemas yo soy tecnólogo en gestión de redes y las autoridades pueden revisar y dar fe que

la cámara no es de grabación si ellos se lo llevaron los investigadores se llevaron la cámara los investigadores pueden mirar si la cámara está manipulada si no está manipulada la aplicación en la que se veía el celular estaba en el celular de baby mi celular porque cuando ella no podía ver la niña You can see if the camera is manipulated or not. The app that showed the phone was on my baby's phone. When she couldn't see the baby, I could. But you could only see and talk. To record, you had to have a Class 10 microSD.

For people who don't know, it's not a cheap microSD. It's not a microSD that costs $20,000. Fernando Ruiz Santos speaking Spanish Fernando, foreign that are questions that we have to ask in order to clarify many things that have been said.

But we deeply believe, as we always say, that we do it with all due respect,

especially when there is a process that is advancing and an investigation that is in progress. Another of these topics that we want to bring here, since he is willing to talk about everything, is the topic of this magnitude, she can't even raise her arms it's also a reason that has been put on social media that it would be almost impossible for her to raise her arms to do what she did and also the issue of the place where he did it, yes? Because many people on social media say that thing I grab it and it falls, that is, it will not have the strength to bear suddenly the weight of it, you who are telling us that you saw it and others, what can you

answer these people? Well, first I don't know how he estado contra mi vida, no sé cómo se hace, no sé qué es, entonces yo no les puedo decir por qué la estructura del baño soportó o no soportó a ella, porque finalmente en nuestro apartamento la única manera en que ella lo hubiera podido hacer era en el baño porque nosotros ten bathroom because we had a fake drywall roof and there was no other way she could have done it First of all that

Second, they tell me that she couldn't move her hands I repeat, Alejandra was a very strong woman Alejandra hit me really hard that day and she was in surgery However, I had been there for about 4 or 5 days. I'll repeat myself, she would stop to do the laundry, she would stop to sweep, she would stop to mop.

She was a rock woman. That's why when they tell me, how could she go up there? They didn't know her. They didn't know what that woman was like. She could be inside, breaking from the pain, but outside she was a rock. Samor, how did you find out that Baby was no longer there?

That was the next day. I went out and sat in front of the front door of the house. Obviously, to recap all this, I was still in shock. The one who answered the phone was my stepmother. My stepmother told her sister that she had already died, that she hated me, because it was my fault.

My dad came down, opened the door, and said, Miguel Angel, that kid. The truth is, when he told me, Son muchacho La verdad cuando me lo dijo pues

De una respuesta que yo veía venir porque la última vez que yo la deje

Lo que dijeron los médicos era que ella había durado 30 minutos sin oxígeno en el cerebro Que ya podía quedar

Si se salvaba podía quedar ve podía quedar con un daño cerebral entonces que no tuviéramos que no tuviéramos faltas esperanzas no cuando mi papá me lo dijo yo me derrumbe I collapsed. Less than two days ago I had my normal life, I had my home. I didn't understand why I had this sudden change. I didn't understand why Alejandra had made that decision. If she already had a daughter, if she already had to take care of that daughter. I don't understand why she left me that message. decision. Si ella tenía una niña, si ella tenía que velar por esa niña. No entiendo

por qué me dejó ese mensaje. Si ella era consciente que si en algún momento le pasaba lo primero que iban a hacer era quitarme la niña. Eran muchas preguntas en mi cabeza. Vuelvo y le repito. Tenía también encima la presión social de las personas que decían, matón, usted iremos a la cárcel. Ya sabemos dónde está, ya sabemos que el I was told, you're going to jail, we know where you are, we know this is your neighborhood, we know this is your dad's house, we know your dad goes out like this, like this, like this. So, I repeat, they didn't even let me cry.

While I was crying, my whole family was in danger.

I'll say it again, I've seen you on the show, but I never thought I'd be here telling my story.

How have these days been? We talked to you from the beginning, we had a call, then we couldn't get in touch again. We talked to a very a friend of yours. He told us that you didn't want to eat, that you were in your room. What's been going through your head these days? I'm not going to lie, I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie.

I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not in social media, it's all stained, everyone says I'm the culprit So I try not to go on social media or touch my phone, but it's obviously inevitable Because if you realize, right now we all live through our phones So all these pressures have made me through a lot.

I've been forced to lock myself in, not wanting to go out, not wanting to talk to anyone.

My partner, who's been with me, my brother, you have gone. You have gone. You are not in reality yet, but here I am to help you. That has been my greatest strength, to not make wrong decisions, to not make a decision that also hurts you. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry.

I'm sorry.

I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. I repeat, it was a couple's argument, like any other argument. There were strong words, there were mistreatment from her, but I didn't make the decision for her, I didn't force her either. She made her decision. What I'm still saying today is, Alejandra was such a strong woman, that she made a decision, and it was that decision, so everyone would come after her. It was her word against everyone's.

I think at that moment it was the same. She made her decision and to this day I respect her.

With your hand on your heart, do you think time will give you the reason?

I don't think so, I'm sure. Because I'm speaking the truth. The only people who know what happened were her and me. I'm speaking the truth, I'm speaking out. I'm willing to do anything. I'm also willing to collaborate with the authorities. I still don't understand why, after 15 days,

they haven't called me for an investigation, they haven't called me for an inquiry, or called me to be present there at least, knowing that I also already put my evidence in a video and showed what I had. If I can help clarify this case, I'm totally willing to do so. But it's more on the part of the prosecution or the investigators that this case hasn't been followed. I'm threats to my family, threats to me, people who speak without knowing, people who become like, I say, like public justice, so people who maybe all they have in the day is to see this case and take it as if it were a case of a Discovery Channel program that shows a lot of things about this and to give an opinion without knowing anything

without knowing the reason, why simply because of words from X or Y people that said, without proof because they are not even saying about the money with proof they can say that I stole money, but where are the proofs? they can say that I mistreated her, but why is there no lawsuit?

Samor, thank you for being here the evidence. They can say that I mistreated her, but why isn't there a lawsuit?

Samor, thank you for being here. We hope that the authorities can clarify these facts and that justice is done for this case in which so many people have been involved we thank you for your time and we also thank you for making that decision because we have been several days between the yes and the no and well, thank you for your time and to all of you

thank you for having reached the end of this episode don't forget that if you have a story to share, you can write to us at produccionconductadelictiva.com See you in the next episode.

I would like to say a few last words. Again, I repeat, I am in collaboration with the authorities so that all this

is clarified. I ask my lawyer every lawyer what happened with the inquiry that they told me they were going to send me, what I have to do. At this time, no investigator has questioned me, they have not done anything. I don't know if the case is still pending, I don't know if they have already solved it internally and have already seen the's evidence, everything I don't know if they've given my lawyer the necropsy all they say is that you have to be patient, you have to be patient I'm also here to say that

I need to please clarify this to really show my innocence because my musical career has fallen apart I don't have my ads, my contracts have been cancelled. So my life at this moment depends on me only, and the only way I could sustain my life, I don't have it. So people say I'm hiding, but I'm not hiding, I just have my mourning,

and if I go out to do a live, people start talking and saying why if your wife just died 15 days ago, you are going out to do all these things. I am being as prudent as possible, but people are distorting it and selling it as if I were guilty. So, the only thing I want is to clarify this case. I am with the authorities to collaborate in everything they need. They have the contacts of my lawyer, they need. They have my lawyer's contacts, they have my family's contacts. They know how to contact me. I don't know why, after 15 days.

And this is still a... In quotes, a media show, because even people who didn't even know her came out to say, thanks for your advice. Thanks to people I never saw in the house, people I never saw near her, people who are making a profit. Why after 15 days we still have the same uncertainty, the same doubt? Why haven't they called me to declare, to talk about what happened,

if I was one of the people who helped her and who is finally involved in this incident. So, why hasn't the case been moved? Why? Because 15 days have passed and they haven't said anything, they haven't called me.

That's right, Amor. We hope that these doubts will be clarified soon, that the authorities investigate and give celerity. that the authorities investigate and give celerity. And well, to all of you, thank you for having reached the end of this episode.