CANADA DEFIES TRUMP ON ARCTIC SOVEREIGNTY

Welcome to The O Show, Canada's pro -democracy podcast.I'm your host, Laura Babcock.And as you can see, it's another special power cast with Charlie Angus of Midas Canada.For all of you around the world who listen to The O Show and who subscribe to The O Show and to Midas Canada, thank you so much because, you know, the fight for democracy is every day.It's a muscle.We have to exercise it.

And one of the things that we all did this past weekend in Alberta and Ontario was have huge protests.And I'm going to show you all the footage from the Ontario when I was at the end of the show, especially because Charlie, I was out there and I met a lot of fans of the power cast.People were coming up like, oh, my God.Laura, you and Charlie Angus.

Well, this is awesome.And for Midas Canada viewers, we've been doing this shared podcast, The Dynamic Duo of Democracy, right now.And Laura, being from Hamilton, shy, so she doesn't want to bring it up.But we are taking it on the road.We're going to be down in Niagara Falls on Thursday, August 13th at the Niagara West Secondary School.And guess what it's called?

It's called fascism and other f -words and we're doing this to raise money for the niagara sunflower festival for ukrainian relief because that's what this fight against fascism is it's about building community It's about being able to call out the monsters and where they are at, but also showing that solidarity.Canada, Ukraine, Canada, democracy, and to our viewers all over the world, we are all part of this network together.

Maybe it's because you dropped the F -bomb on a power cast recently, Charlie.They titled it that way.Ukrainians, as we know, have been on the front line of the fight for protecting Western democracy for five years now.You could just start there, Charlie.

You know, we've been getting a lot of reports.I mean, the Russians are losing 50 ,000 soldiers a month.The Ukrainian drone war has completely transformedwar and the world at this time, which is good for stopping Russia, frightening for the planet, frightening for every other civilian who's going to be caught up in these robot drone wars in the future.But I think that with Putin's back up against the wall, he's more dangerous than ever.It would be really naive to think, oh, well, he's going to come back to the negotiating table.

I mean, this is a guy who got himself in power Through what happened with the horrific bombings of apartment buildings in 1999 across Russia, four buildings absolutely destroyed.Buildings destroyed like the Oklahoma bombing were.In the fifth bombing, there was guys coming into one of the apartment buildings with all kinds of explosives and they were FSB officers.Vladimir Putin was head of the FSB.People who looked into Putin's connections to whether Putin used these bombings to terrify the population and so that he could come in as the strongman.People like Litvinenko were killed.

I'm not saying that Putin bombed those apartment buildings, but he may have.And if he had, and he was that ruthless against his own people, this is a moment of real danger.We're seeing the hypersonic missiles being used.We're seeing the threats of nuclear.We're seeing the fact that they've been pushing NATO for some time, Poland, Romania, the UK has had trolling, Denmark as well.So this is a very, very dangerous moment when a thug like him is in a corner, like with Trump, they don't go down peacefully.

So I think everybody's going to have to be on high, high alert right now.

I'm glad you put it that way, because also, to your point, Trump is in trouble, right?Not only are his poll numbers the worst of every president ever in all areas, right?You know, the American people, one by one, are waking up.You're seeing MAGA top podcasters revealing thata part of a cult and how it was working and how racist it is at its heart, MAGA.And they're pulling away and they're pulling away because of MAGA's treatment of women.

And you're seeing people calling into radio shows and saying, I was a three -time Trump voter and I was fooled and I'm an idiot.And people saying they're going to vote Democrat in the U .S.just because of the data centers going up everywhere.

And Martina McBride.Good old Martina McBride saying, what?I'm not doing that concert.So he's got no one to even sing for him anymore.

Right.All the people who are dropping out of his stupid concert he's doing.Yeah, I forgot about that.But also, Judge just said, get your name off the Kennedy Center.You got two weeks to do it.Right.

And Trump's like, well, fine.I give it all back.Right.I don't know if he'll turn around and double down, but he's losing on all fronts.And to your point, that's where we have to be really, really careful.And so I want to talk about the response that people had to what Carney tried to do in New York City.

To me, Carney was in there to say, listen, guys, You know, this whole Make America Great Again thing, let's reposition it from what Trump says it's all about, which is clearly a failure.If you really want to make America great again, You have to have a strong Canada.We're doing all these things around the world with all these bilateral partnerships, with all these investments.And he calls it an energy superpower as a country.Now we're acting like an energy superpower.And all of this, if you leave us alone, we can be great partners and America can be great again.

And I thought it was brilliant.He's basically owning Trump's own hook and turning it to something that keeps Canada sovereign.But of course, the response to that in this country from too many people was to say, oh, Carney's Magna.Oh, you know, he's betrayed Canada.And some of these people were in, like, senior roles.

I mean, Laura, and to all our viewers out there, to the pundits who spend every evening on CBC and CTV.telling you that the most important thing on the planet is the high school drama on the Rideau Canal.Just think for a second and say, yeah, I don't buy that.I think what happened in New York is really interesting.I'm not going to be here as a cheerleader or not for Mark Carney.I mean, there's things he's doing phenomenally well, and there's things I've got real concerns about.

But what I think he did in New York was to go down right into the heart of the business community and say, we should be really close allies.And part of that is we are actually diversifying.We are ignoring, he didn't say it in open language, but they're openly defying Project 2025.They're defying the vision, the Make America Great vision, which is that we are a vassal state, that we have no rights, that they can rip up trade agreements, they can do anything, they will make us buy from them and they will ignore us.And he's saying, let's make America great again by having a strong nation beside the United States and we are starting to trade heavily with other countries.I think it was it put Pete Hoekstra in a complete bind, because Pete's just a dummy as well.

So he's like, oh, you make America great again.And he said, what a great idea.I think the message was being sent to the business class of the United States that Canada is shifting, and you can work with us, or you can make us an enemy.But you're going to be a lot smarter working with us.And you need to understand that we are not going to be the vassal state.So I think it was a brilliant piece Diplomacy and again, it never plays well on the local front.

I mean Canada is the country of tall poppies, right?You know that thing is like once there's a tall poppy all the other poppies get upset and want to cut back down That's Canadian media in a nutshell.So the fact that we're stepping up on the world stage.Well, there's got to be a problem with that.HmmWhat does it really mean?

Well, let's let's ask our evening punditry panel.I think it was a brilliant move by him.I am still saying, Laura, the blowback is coming.It's going to come big.It's probably going to come.after Donald Trump gets out from underneath the Iran thing.

But we are shifting now and we're shifting military purchases, we're shifting trade in a significant way.It is leading us to a showdown with with MAGA.

Carney decided to buy the eye in the sky, kind of that or the global eye from Saab in Sweden, instead of going with the American version of that plane so that they can surveil the north, right.And that I think might be a precursor to him deciding to go with the Gripen instead of the rest of the purchase of the F -35s.What's your take on that, Charlie?

Well, I think it's really significant.So right now we have the purchase of the surveillance planes for the Arctic.So Arctic sovereignty, you know, the prime minister did say we are going to take control of Arctic sovereignty through Canada and not as a junior partner of the United States.The fact that we're not buying from Boeing, we're buying from Sweden.this whole sense of the Nordic countries as strong allies together.That's never been, I mean, there's been talk before, but nothing real.

And the fact that they will probably build a good portion of that fleet in Canada is good for Canadian business.It's good for, say, Bombardier or wherever they're going to be building these planes.But it's really sending a message that we, our new alliance is with Sweden.with Norway and you know that the submarine deal that's coming down so the the Koreans are in a big way heck they hired Peter Mansbridge to be their voice guy on the ads which I find hilarious you know so anybody who's lived as long as we have in the Ottawa bubble or it's like oh he's selling Korean subs but the other the other offers from Germany and I mean I don't know anything about buying subs but I think the German offersis Germany, Norway, Canada, NATO, a new alliance which is not dependent on anything coming out of the United States.So these military purchases are immense, but they're very symbolic, and they are running exactly against the kind of threats that Pete Hoogstra, and Trump have been making against us, which is that we will buy from the Americans.

We will take what they give us.And then we will also be under their operating system.So then it leads to the big question, you know, the F -35 versus the Gripen.I think that's going to be the big political showdown.And I would imagine that the government is watching the clock on Kuzma.and waiting to purchase those planes.

They've already bought the few that they had to buy on the F -35s, but I would be very surprised that the government goes with the F -35 now.So probably they're sitting on their hands and waiting, seeing how Kuzma goes before they drop the next card.

Well, Trump's such an idiot.He made a joke at one point about they'll put a kill switch in.So a country that is threatening our country, we're going to now spend billions on planes that have a kill switch.If we get in a war with them, we can't use our planes again.So, like, it's just madness.Right.

And I think that Carney might.Do you think maybe it's not just the Kuzma timeline?It's also the midterms, because with Telerico going up against Paxton in Texas, they might actually get the Senate now.There's a lot less that Trump can do to scream and howl about it if they have Democrats in Congress and the Senate who are interested in, you know, holding not only Trump and all of his cronies to account for all the terrible things they're doing, but also keeping Canada sovereign, keeping NATO together.I mean, it just, it loses the sting if Carney waits until after the midterms.Thoughts?

Well, I think you see the rage.I mean, Howard Ludnick, I mean, Mr. Brilliant Negotiator, you suck.You suck.Yeah, sure.So we want to deal with it.When you're hearing this language, they are angry.

And of course, our national media are saying, oh, the real frustration that exists in the United States is they've got a real credible case of being hurt.Pete Hoekstra, same thing.Hurt.Why are you being mean to us?It's because by Canada just not being confrontational and watching the clock tick, the two things come into play.One is the midterms and again I don't put any money that the midterms are going to I mean, who knows what Trump will do before the midterms.

And I also don't put much faith in any of the Democrats right now, unless we've got some kind of surgery that can put spines into people, which I don't think that we've figured that out yet.I don't have much faith there.But the midterms could be a turning point.But also Kuzma, there's a clock ticking on it that if we don't end up renegotiating, it goes back to what it was, or they have to pull out.And if Trump pulls out of Kuzma altogether, which he may, it will blow up on him in a big way because the economy in the United States is so in such difficulty.So they've been huffing and puffing and threatening.

And they were like then they were trying to be nice to us saying, listen, sign now and we'll give you lower tariffs.Well, wait a minute.Why are we signing to take on tariffs?You think we're dummies?So they are really angry at us right now.And they know that we are watching the clock and they're watching the clock as well.

But I think it's still it's like I said about Putin.You know, when the bear is cornered, when a gangster knows he's going down and there's so much of a disaster unfolding with RFK, with Ebola, with so many of their missteps that are starting to pile up, they're turning to Cuba and turning to Canada is something they always end up doing.So we'll see where we go.But I think the prime minister is just saying, well, we'll just watch the clock and see where this goes.

The good news is, though, is that whole J6 slush fund for Trump's private militia.There's been multiple moves this week to block that money from getting given to these, you know, these terrible, violent people who are willing to do whatever for Trump, including kill cops, apparently.So not getting the money to them.And even you have states saying, well, you know what, even if somehow they try to give that money to these guys, we're going to tax it 100 % and take it back.In other words, I think the Democrats are growing a little bit of a spine.Maybe it's just down in the sacral area still.

Am I being cynical about Democrats?I mean, come on, guys.But I think what you said about the January 6 slush fund for the armed insurrection, it crosses so many lines.It crosses so many lines, again, with people who are not necessarily ideological, people who've been on the front lines, people who've known police officers who've been killed.I mean, these guys and gals are political scum of the earth.And the idea that Trump's actually going to give them any money, I think those people would have to be real—well, they are suckers if they fell for the stolen election thing.

You will see these are the things that catch up.They're funny, the things that catch people up.It's kind of like we were talking and you've got the footage of the Ford protests, you know, the gravy plane.It just cut through people.There's certain times when someone is abusive and can get away with things again and again and again and again.And then there's that one thing that people remember.

I think the January 6 slush fund is one thing that people remember.It's a step too far.And in Ontario, Dougie Ford and his private jet is just, as I heard yesterday, I was out with the rally and people were honking horns and waving and people came out who aren't political.And it's just like, yeah, we're done with this.

I'll leave our audience with some of that great viz from the protest in a moment.But I just, I can't leave the Canadian media off the hook.I just can't.I mean, not only not talking about the protests, right, but to your point, you've got the Poliev out there saying Canada's in a total recession, when economists are saying, actually, that's a great overstatement of where we are right now.But, you know, he's out there talking about it.And the Canadian media, to me, is constantly trying to find a way.

And I don't understand why, Charlie, but they're trying to find a way to constantly take these conservative narratives that aren't even accurate coming out of the Poliev camp and make them like these serious points of discussion.and undermine the stuff.And I'm not happy with everything Carney's done either.I'm no Carney apologist.But there are a lot of Canadians who voted for Mark Carney as Carney conservatives who are saying like, we voted for this guy because we are hiring him to fix this mess.Right.

And so what is what is the advantage to them?Is it just corporate media ownership by MAGA, by that hedge fund that owns too much Canadian media that they're constantly going to denigrate what Canada is trying to do and give more airtime to Polyev and his nonsense?

Well, you know, I remember back in 2015, before in Jack Layton's first election.And he had made a comment about how Paul Martin's cuts had resulted in deaths in the streets in Toronto.And the cuts to the National Housing Program had caused massive homelessness.And yeah, people had died.And the media lost their minds.They followed Jack Layton for days and days and days till he finally apologized.

And it really damaged his first run as leader.And yet, we see right now, like, again, Polyaev's comments about the prime minister in New York, well, he had the elbows up, he had the elbows down, he was doing the chicken dance.And I was like, really?That's like, that's the level of converse.That's the level of a political analysis.So I think what in the old days, or what I would have thought is the media would roll their

eyes and say, yeah, whatever.And then let's get to serious stuff.Let's get to serious stuff like the fact that mega separatists are being the talk about bankrolling money and a slush fund to break up our country.Let's talk about Daniel Smith overriding two court decisions and everyone is going along with it.And what do we see from the U .S.

based hedge fund operator, you know, that runs all of the newspapers, National Post, Calgary Herald, Edmonton Journal, you know, blaming Stephen Guilbeau for being the cause of Alberta separatism or Tasha Carradine telling the Prime Minister he needs to be quiet.and sit on the sidelines while we let a group of grifters break up our country.That's the media conversation.We need a spotlight being shone on the threat.There's a serious threat.Laura, I have never been as frightened about our country as I am now, even more frightened than when Donald Trump was threatening us about moving the border.

The threat to what's happening in Alberta is as serious as it gets and I still get the sense that the media pundits are treating it like well there's disgruntled feelings in Alberta and you know the fact that thousands and thousands and thousands of people were marching in the streets of Alberta well whatever you know let's see what the what the small group of mega separatists do because that's a new story that is not a new story that's a distortion of reality and And I think Canadians need to be reminded that we are standing strong and Albertans are standing strong.So getting some of that coverage, that's why people watch our Democracy podcast, because they know they're being gaslit on the national media.

And that whole focus on the vocal minority of raginess, that's what happened in 2016 when the U .S.media only wanted to talk to Trump supporters in diners, you know, in flyover country, so to speak.and they made that the big story all the time, right?And so people started to think, oh, well, obviously, you know, that is the that is the dominant feeling from these people in these places, and it gains its own momentum.I don't think that the media should be driving one agenda or the other.

So I'm calling for them to report on it all.You can report on what Paliyev said about Carney, and you can report on what Carney meant and said.You can report on what Daniel Smith's moves are legally in Alberta, and you can comment on the freaking huge protests.So, Charlie, 100%, you know, the real people get it.The real people understand it in this country.And the media, for whatever their agenda is, smarten the fuck up.

Pardon me for the F -bomb.We're not going to let that happen here on the Powercast.

Absolutely.No, that's why we're doing this and we're out every day, you know, and we're going to give people the analysis like when the prime minister warned of Brexit.I think it was really important, but there's a deeper story.I mean, Brexit wasn't just the vote that David Cameron brought in, hoping to placate his backbench crackpots and then the referendum would lose.And that's the argument we hear in like common sense talk about the Alberta separatist movement.But when the prime minister mentioned Brexit, the deeper story is that Brexit was monkey wrenched.

It was monkey wrenched by digital mercenaries.It was monkey wrenched by the Cambridge Analytica and Steve Bannon and the Russian troll farms.And it doesn't take much to interfere with a vote as vague as this.Should we have a vote about whether we should have a vote?So the vast majority, here's a scenario.A lot of Albertans think this is just stupid and stay home.

The haters are coming out.The haters have the electoral lists.They know everybody.The pro -Canada group doesn't have the electoral list.They haven't been given the electoral list.So they get, what, 35 or 40 percent in a vote.

where a lot of people stay home.And you know what?Now, suddenly, we've got a mandate.Now we've got a crisis.And the prime minister is bent over backwards, mistakingly, I believe, giving the oil and gas industry in Alberta every single dream wish they've wanted when they're making record money and they're still looking to blow up our country.This is what we're dealing with.

So the referendum, I think, is And the talk about a referendum about a referendum is super serious.And the Brexit thing, we need to look deeper at how that vote was monkey wrenched, just like 2016 was monkey wrenched, just like all those players are in Alberta right now, setting this up to really undermine us at a crucial moment of negotiations with the United States.

And they call it Wexit, right?That's the title for it.So that should tell you all you need to know.J .

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Morgan.in Alberta who showed up and showed out this weekend and let the rest of Alberta know, no, the majority here is not a silent majority.It's a loud majority.It's going to keep getting louder.And as Thomas Lukasik said recently on The O Show, when the referendum question comes up in October, vote A to stay.That's just clear through her bullshit of Danielle Smith's long language, vote A to stay.

But we've got to cut through the bullshit.We've got to make it clear.And to everyone in Ontario who showed up and showed out all across the province, province.We build momentum with these protests.Ford might pretend he doesn't care, but trust me, I'm sure they have internal polling.that says that we're not going to give up on this stuff.

And even though we said this week, the Gravy Plain's old news, well, hell no, it's not.We didn't think it was out there on the lines yesterday.So I'm going to leave us now with an awesome little montage of all of the people, including a shout out to you, Charlie, and a shout out from another group to The O Show.

You know, Laura, I'm so glad you got that footage, because what gets me hope, what makes me get into the fight every day is that ordinary people understand the mission.Ordinary people in Alberta, ordinary people in Ontario, ordinary people in Nova Scotia, ordinary people in every state of the union that reach out to us through Midas Canada, the people in Australia, New Zealand, Ireland, Spain, Germany, Netherlands, Romania, where the fight to stop the extreme right is happening and everyone understands what's happening here.is a manifestation of the larger playbook.We stop it here.We can stop it everywhere.And that's why people showing up and people coming out, you know, it's get off the couch time, folks.

Leave the couch to J .D.Vance.Our job is to be out in the streets and taking back democracy.

I love it.And you know what, when we posted all of our coverage last time and Midas on the power cast, you guys, we had that real last time.I mean, that probably got more views through our social media and everyone sharing it than if the mainstream media had covered it anyway.

I know it's so great.So that's what we need you folks to do.Keep spreading, keep spreading democracy.Keep standing up to the grifters.

I love it.And I was really touched when someone in Alberta bought three of our pro -democracy tote bags in Alberta.I'm like, that's freaking awesome.We're all in this together.So let's let's go out now to some inspiring, take the fight to these authoritarians, people.You're going to love this video, especially the little kids had some pretty spicy posters.

I loved it.Thanks so much, everybody.

And why does Canada keep kicking in the darkness?

Bye Charlie, I love you, you're awesome.

Eric is in every grocery store, but no place to recycle anymore.We're in Doug Ford's Ontario.There's no future for students, no OSAP loans.His buddies are building on the Greenbelt Zone.We're in Doug Ford's Ontario.A tunnel, a luxury spa, well that's Doug's legacy so far.

No respect for hospitals or education.No freedom of information.That's what we need, let's vote out hypocrisy and bring back Doug Ford's Ontario Doug Ford's Ontario Doug