Cell phone video from ICE officer shows fatal Minneapolis shooting

We have some breaking news now out of Minneapolis right now We are getting a new look at the ice involved shooting that killed a 37 year old woman in an SUV Renee good the video appears to be from the perspective of one of the ice agents. Let's take a look Hey, you're getting out! I'm not mad at you! That's fine, dude. I'm not mad at you.

Show your face! I'm not mad at you! That's okay, we don't change our plates every morning, just so you know. It'll be the same plate when you come talk to us later.

That's fine. U.S. citizen, former ******. You want to come at us? You want to come at us? I say go get yourself some lunch, big boy. Okay.

Get out of the car.

Get out of the car.

Get out of the car.

I'm not drunk.

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Oh. NBC News national law enforcement and intelligence correspondent Tom Winter joins us now. Tom, walk us through what you saw in this video and the perspective you say appears to be from the ICE agent who fired the shots.

It may be. It was clearly heard there on the tape. There are two expletives that are uttered at the end of the tape, an F-expletive, a B-expletive, and we're not quite sure who said that, just so everybody's clear who's speaking at that moment. He's now deceased. And for the moment that the car goes into drive and the shots are fired, it's less than

three seconds, as we look at it here on the video. So the first thing that it points out is how quick these interactions always are. They always escalate from a certain point to the moment that shots are fired very quickly. That is something we see in a lot of police-involved shootings, officer-involved shootings, and this federal officer-involved shooting. The second thing is, clearly, there is some sort of a interaction here that had been going on.

And this is why I've been saying since the moment—on air with you, on air with everybody. Since the moment that this has happened, what happened before this occurred? What is the discussion that is occurring here? It does appear to answer some questions that we've had since this incident began, which is what was the interaction like at the car? As I said on the Today show yesterday morning, OK, so does she say something back to the ICE agents?

What are the ICE agents asking or commanding her to do? And is there a moment of panic that occurs there? Is there a statement that happens there? And now we have clarity on that, in that there is no specific statement that she utters at that moment. They are clearly commanding her to get out of the vehicle.

They're giving her some sort of a command. And go ahead, Gretchen.

Does she have to follow those commands? As someone who is there, a U.S. citizen, she's—we assume not the target of those operations at that time. Is she under a legal obligation to obey?

Typically, yes, because law enforcement has their lights on. Law enforcement is giving you a command. They're asking you to step out of the vehicle. There's a discussion that's taking place. I know that there's going to be different attorneys that are going to weigh in on this issue, so that's why I'm giving a caveat there. I would want to know more about that from a legal expert, but typically, yes, if law

enforcement is giving you a command in that circumstance, that's something to do. They're certainly not telling her to drive away. And so there's also, you know, a question there of whether or not they've had some prior interaction with law enforcement.

And that we don't know yet. Tom, stay right here. I want to bring in Julia Ainsley, who's standing by and who acquired this video. Julia, what can you tell us about how you got this video and what you're hearing from your sources about what you think it depicts?

Well, of course, we can't go into sourcing on this, but this is a video that has been verified from our big team here at NBC News. This is just in. And look, there have been a lot of videos from different perspectives, but from the very beginning, we could see the officer who was involved in the shooting with a cell phone as he walked around the car. And so now we're getting it from his perspective.

Unfortunately, we're not able to get a body cam. That's what we really want as journalists in this perspective, because body cams stay on the vest. And so when he goes to reach for the gun at the end of this video, that's when our view drops out and we just see the car. If we could have seen the vest, of course, we'd be able to get a more clear perspective

on exactly what this officer saw when he made that decision to shoot. Unfortunately, ICE does not have a mandatory policy on body cameras. They had a pilot program that started under the Biden administration, and right now no more than 20% of ICE officers on the streets actually have body cameras, and even if they do, they're not required to turn them on. So what we have is this, but as Tom points out, I mean, it does give us more of an idea into the interaction between these two parties.

Now, the woman you see who's speaking to the officer the most, who's out of her car with the camera, I believe, and I don't think we're going out on a limb too far here, I do believe that is the wife of Renee Good, because she, so that people who are protesting them don't follow them from location to location and they can do their jobs more covertly and presumably with more safety. And so she's saying we're not changing our life. Officers are trained.

They're told also never to come at a car from the front. And you can see he walks around the car several times. Things seem to escalate right as he's at the corner of the car. So again, what we would want is a body cam footage to be able to see if that corner was aimed near him. Again, what Tom said, the expletive to, I think is really going to come out and be a big piece of this conversation. And we're

bleeping this out because we're on broadcast news, but it actually shows, and it may not have come from the officer who actually fired the shot. But one of the officers nearby, it's definitely a man's voice. We've heard it. And when they're saying F-ing B, that is coming out of the mouths of these officers as this shot was fired. Now, we know this is an FBI investigation.

We know state investigators are not allowed to look into this. So they wouldn't even be reviewing this video or drawing any of their own conclusions. They're not even allowed to interview witnesses, even though the governor would like that. But these are all the things that would normally go into an investigation, not just from the feds, but also internally within ICE to see if there was any breach of conduct here. But at this point, we don't even know that they're doing an internal investigation into

this officer or if he was even placed on any kind of administrative leave, which is protocol after that. So what this video does, though, is it's the first time we've gotten this much closer to the perspective of that officer as he chose to fire those shots. And again, it may still serve as a workshop test because protesters who are on the streets of Minneapolis are going to hear those words. They're probably going to hear the version of this video

that is not bleeped out. And they might say that this is a woman smiling in her car who looks cooperative. And then you have an angry ICE officer. But you may have people on the other side who say he was so close to her car when she began to accelerate.

So it's another piece of this very complicated picture.

A very important piece actually, Julia, and you're right in pointing out that there's no requirement for ICE agents to wear body cameras. So this is really the closest and most key piece of video we get from that perspective that we haven't seen yet. The body camera would have been a wide angle, it would have been horizontal, would have shown the moment that the shots were fired.

But given this and the training, I've heard from multiple sources and Tom, you can speak to this too. Multiple sources in law enforcement who say they are not supposed to go in front of a vehicle and also not supposed to reach into a vehicle. You know, what is your sense there of how ICE agents are trained? And in a scenario like this, was it like an exigent circumstance where that officer needed to be in that position or the other one needed to be reaching into the car?

It doesn't seem, at least based on that interaction, that there were any exigent circumstances. As far as reaching into a car, we know that the officer who fired the shots actually reached into a car in another incident six months earlier in Bloomington, Minnesota, and his arm got stuck between a car seat and the car frame as he was dragged 50 to 100 yards down the road. So definitely not his first time having a car incident like this.

And of course, he's going to be maybe more worried that he could be injured again. He did sustain injuries from that previous incident. But yes, the training behind this would say that they should not escalate. I've even spoken to some people about why they got out of their cars in the first place. But it does seem, and you could just feel this from the perspective, from the tension that you're watching built in that video, that they were really frustrated that this

car was not moving. We know from Secretary Nome they'd already done an operation, so presumably they've arrested someone or they've gone out to arrest someone and they weren't there, but they did what they needed to do when they were on their way back to headquarters. I've spoken to people who said it would be a security threat if they blocked their egress and they weren't able to exit a place. But it is clear from anyone watching even the earlier videos, there seems to be some space to go around this car. But they're visibly frustrated that she won't move.

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