“Completely EVIL!” Marjorie Taylor Greene Wants Trump Removed Over Iran | Plus Andrew Wilson Returns

It's supposed to be me as a doctor making people better, and I do make people better. I make people a lot better.

I called for the 25th Amendment. I do think there's something wrong with him. He called to wipe out an entire civilization. That, to me, is so evil, and it shows real mental depravity.

Trump derangement syndrome has rotted former Congresswoman Greene's peanut-sized brain. Your response to that charming description.

Wow.

Joe, Joe.

Is it upsetting that he killed the Ayatollah Khomeini, married a 15 year old?

Did you not get held enough as a child? The fact that he is betraying his voters and he is not serving the interests of the American people.

Calm down.

Don't tell me to calm down. Dude, smoke your cigarette.

Do not tell me to calm down. Smoke your cigarette. Do not tell me to calm down.

It's been almost four years since the media went ballistic about three people enjoying a golf tournament. Just about everybody remembers the pictures. Smiling, joking and laughing together with the former President Donald Trump, Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene and the biggest star on US television, Tucker Carlson. Trump was in the wilderness back then, completely banished after January 6th. Ron DeSantis was the great new hope for Republicans. But on that day, with his public show of loyalty from two influential allies, he began a historic

fight back for which he once gave them both enormous credit. These days, the president says, among other things, that Tucker Carlson is a low IQ nut job and that Marjorie Taylor Greene is a deranged lunatic traitor. While their own personal strife with the president is a perfect picture of what's beginning to look like a mission to torch just about everybody who helped to elect him. And Marjorie Taylor Greene joins me now. Welcome to Uncensored.

Hi, Piers. Thanks for having me today.

Do you know what, Marjorie? You're one of the most fascinating people in American politics and have become that in the last couple of years because the movement you've made is now being followed by a lot of other people. And you know I posted on X yesterday that Donald Trump, who I've known for 20 years and consider a friend, but at the moment he just seems to be on a mission to piss off absolutely everybody. And a lot of those people are people who've been big supporters of his.

You, Tucker, he laid into Megyn Kelly, to Candace Owens, to Alex Jones. He's laid into the Pope, he's mocked Jesus Christ, which has offended a lot of the Maga Christians and so on. You know, Giorgia Maloney in Italy, he's laid into her now,

he's laid into the British Prime Minister, Keir Starmer, pretty much every other European leader and so on. I don't know what is going on here, but I think my first question for you is, what do you think is going on here? Why is he so willing at the moment

to want to torch so many people that were loyal to him?

You know, I think that's the question that everyone should be asking and I don't have the answer to that. This has been shocking to watch the president change over the past year while he's president of the United States.

You know, we fought very hard to get him elected. I myself spent millions of dollars, traveled the country, campaigned for him, spoke on his rally stages all over the country. And he called me a traitor because I fought to release the Epstein files.

But just as you've said, we've watched him turn on literally everyone that were once either his friends, his allies, or his supporters. And it's so concerning to me. And I honestly can't answer why this has happened.

You know what's really interesting? If you take your positions, for example, which seem to have enraged him, you wanted full disclosure of the Epstein files. Well, that was exactly what he said he wanted when he was campaigning in 2024 to be president

again. You know, you didn't want America to go into expensive, pointless Middle Eastern wars. Well, again, that's what he campaigned to stop America doing if you became president again. You know, I look at this and think, why is he so opposed to you when you're basically taking the positions that he was taking himself just six months ago?

Or longer than that now, over a year ago. But you know what I mean?

Right. I have no idea. It is honestly something that I legitimately can't answer. And it's confusing. And many people don't understand it. The way I feel about it now though,

is President Trump will soon be the past and we have to look towards the future. And I think many of the issues that we thought were real problems back in 2024, some of them are still there but they've also drastically changed.

We have real problems in America now that Donald Trump has been president. We're finding ourself in an escalating war in Iran, which is something that none of us want. It's one of the most unpopular things being polled in America today.

But we have real economic problems, rising inflation, rising costs of gas, rising costs of living, younger generations that are unable to thrive and don't have hope for the future, but even bigger problems, nearly $40 trillion in debt,

and Social Security will be bankrupt in seven years. So I think, you know, this is the man that I supported to make America great again. However, I think America is going to find itself in a much deeper hole going towards the next elections.

Would you agree with the following statement? If we confirm that you have won, if we confirm that you are the greatest and most victorious blocker in the entire world, will you put down the phone for half an hour, just half an hour, and attend to your main duty

to the 30 million Americans who have no health insurance, to the 800,000 Americans who are homeless, to America's infrastructure that's dilapidated, to the $38 trillion of United States national debt? Would you concur with that message to Donald Trump?

Yes, absolutely. As a matter of fact, those were the things that I had been saying to the president, to the speaker, to many of my colleagues before I resigned. Health insurance, for one, is a serious problem. And when the tax credits expired in January, there were over 200,000 people in my former district that were unable to afford health insurance. So yes, that's a statement that spans many issues, but yes, I would agree with that.

But here's the extraordinary thing, is that statement was made by the Iranian Embassy of Armenia.

It doesn't surprise me. I think the entire world can see clearly what's happening in America and what President Trump is doing.

But what the MAGA crowd will say, and I can hear them say it already when they watch this exchange, they'll say, Marjorie Taylor Greene siding with the Iranians against Donald Trump. What do you say to them when they say that? These were people that used to love you.

I say I'm always siding with America, and I'll never apologise for that, no matter whose statement I agree with. Siding with the American people over cost of living, cost of health insurance, their jobs, the economy and their future is always the right thing to do.

And so I wouldn't be phased by that.

The White House provided this statement to The Hill yesterday in response to your critique of Trump's door dash photo op. They said Marjorie Taylor Greene is a quitter pathetically trying to stay relevant by going on liberal media shows to bash President Trump. Unfortunately Trump derangement syndrome has rotted former Congresswoman Greene's peanut-sized brain.

Your response to that charming description?

Wow.

I hadn't heard that until you just read it now. Actually, I had resigned after the president called me a traitor, vowed to literally destroy me and was going to primary me the same way that he is doing to Thomas Massey right now, which I thought was so incredibly unfair to my district who had elected me and President Trump. You know, I'll tell you this, Piers,

it's actually a really good thing that I'm no longer a part of the institution that has a 13% approval rating in the United States among the American people, also the same institution that can't even fund our own homeland security right now. So I'm actually very happy to no longer be in Congress and not have to receive

nasty phone calls from the president that I supported to get elected and also be called to the Oval Office to be scolded for not voting for certain things that he wanted that were against our campaign promises. So that would be my response to whatever little staffer at the White House wrote that.

And from a pure factual point of view, have you ever had your brain measured? Is it larger than a peanut?

I haven't had it measured, but I'm quite sure it's larger than a peanut.

The stuff that really, I mean, look, I'm a Catholic and I found it pretty, you know, I didn't like his attack on the Pope. He's the first American Pope. I think Pope Leo settled in very well. I like the way he speaks.

No Pope's ever gonna support war. It's ridiculous to think they would. It launched a full throttle attack on him at the same time that he was reposting memes of himself as Jesus Christ and then kind of preposterously tried to pretend he was a doctor

and that's what he thought he was doing. You were very critical of this. You described it as blasphemy instead of as more than blasphemy, it's an anti-Christ spirit. I mean, you're effectively calling Trump the anti-Christ there. Explain

what you mean. Yes, this came after how he called to, he said he was going to completely wipe out an entire civilization of the Iranian people, which was completely evil. And these statements came after what he said on Easter, which was atrocious. And then he put out the photo of himself basically being Jesus on Orthodox Easter,

which was so blasphemous. It just, I think it shocked everyone. And then he comes out and says, oh no, that was me being a doctor, which was absolutely ridiculous. Everyone knows that's not him being a doctor.

That was him literally trying to replace God, which is antichrist, and that is an antichrist spirit. And it's written about throughout the Bible and talked about among church leaders everywhere. It's talked about in the Catholic church as well. And so yes, I called it exactly how I saw it

and I believe many Christians all over and like you said, we all found it to be so offensive and blasphemous. But then he lied and he didn't even apologize. He said, oh, I thought I was being a doctor. It's like, no, you know you're lying.

But then he put up another picture, I guess today, of him being hugged by Jesus.

Yeah, we've got that here. We'll just show viewers, yeah. What do you make of that?

I think, I find it insulting. Insulting that after he committed complete blasphemy and then lied about it, and now he's trying to play to Christians, saying, oh, Jesus loves me so much. He's trying to say there that he is, he's being used by Jesus, being used by God,

playing the so-called trump card. Well, we can look to the Bible and see in many places where God did use all types of leaders to accomplish all types of things, and they weren't always good things. And, you know, so the president constantly puts up memes

and posts and tries to play to his base, but I think many people are so turned off right now that they're just not even going to fall for this one.

When was the last time you spoke to Donald Trump?

The last time I spoke to him was on the telephone. I was in my office in the Rayburn building. He was at the White House and he was yelling at me because I wouldn't take my name off of the discharge petition. And I told the president, you know, there's no way I'll take my name off of here. These are women that were raped at 14 and 16 years old,

and we have to release the Epstein files. It's the right thing to do. It's what we promised. And he was so angry at me. And he told me that his friends would get hurt. He said people that I supposedly know.

He said at Mar-a-Lago, and I'm not a member of Mar-a-Lago. I've only been there a handful of times for certain events or campaign functions. So I don't know these people, but he said that his friends would get hurt, and he was very, very angry at me.

It was a very bad conversation.

What do you make of that, though?

He's covering it up. very angry at me. It was a very bad conversation. What do you make of that, though?

He's covering it up. He fought us the entire time. He did everything in his power to stop the Epstein files to be released. He even forced Mike Johnson, the Speaker of the House, to do everything he could do to stop it from being released. It was the most unbelievable thing I've ever seen. We were even shut down for eight weeks. We had a government shutdown back in the fall

of 2025 for eight weeks. And I believe that was part of trying to prevent the Epstein files from coming out. And it's covering up for rapists and people that have committed all types of crimes. It's completely wrong.

What did you think about Melania Trump coming out with her sudden statement last week about Epstein and demanding that people go and give evidence under oath?

Yeah, that was so shocking. The press was completely shocked. They were prepared for her to come out and maybe speak about a bill she's supporting or foster care, an initiative she's supporting as First Lady. I actually was glad she came out and talked about it because it brought it back up in

the news cycle and I think it needs to be there. I don't know, I know there's many different things people are saying about why she did it that perhaps she was getting ahead of a news story or getting ahead of some sort of information that may come out. But I was still glad that she spoke and I was glad that she talked about the survivors.

However, she called for them to go on record in front of Congress and she called for Congress to act and I actually disagreed with her there. The right thing to do is the Department of Justice needs to prosecute people. And that's what the survivors have been asking for. They've told their story over and over and over again.

What they really want is justice.

When King Charles visits the United States in a couple of weeks. There's been a rumor which has been played down by the palace actually, that it's unlikely to happen. That perhaps the Queen Camilla, who's taken a big interest in victims of sexual abuse and so on, might meet privately with some Epstein survivors. That looks like it won't be happening.

But King Charles will address a joint meeting of Congress. And obviously his own brother, Andrew, has been disgraced and shamed because of his involvement with Epstein, but hasn't actually put himself up for any scrutiny either by Congress or by law enforcement here in the UK.

Do you think that it would be a good thing for either the King or Queen or both to meet with Epstein survivors when they're over in America?

Yes, absolutely. I really hope that they do. That was also what I had been asking of President Trump. I had asked him to bring them into the Oval Office. He brings in all types of people in the Oval Office from all walks of life,

whether they're sports teams that just won a national championship, whether they're, no matter who they are, he brings in all these people, and I had wanted him to bring in the Epstein survivors. As a matter of fact, quite a few of them told me

they even voted for him, and I tried to explain that to him over and over again, but he's refused to bring them in the Oval Office, but I definitely do hope the King and the Queen will meet with them and hear their stories.

You said the last time you spoke to him was over this. Have you tried to talk to him again

or has he tried to contact you? The only time I reached out to him was via via text message after I had resigned and he had been attacking me and I was receiving, just, I can't even count how many death threats. But the death threats escalated on one of my children and I had sent those death threats to the FBI director, Kash Patel. I sent them to the vice president, J.D. Vance,

Susie Wiles, James Blair, and I even texted the president. And I was so upset over death threats on my children because of him. And the quotes in the death threat were from what the president had been calling me a traitor. And I'm not a traitor to my country. Standing up for rape victims doesn been calling me a traitor. And I'm not a traitor to my country.

Standing up for rape victims doesn't make me a traitor. And I reached out to the president and to let him know this is what's happening because what you're saying about me. And he was very unkind about these death threats. And so that was our last exchange.

It was on text message. It was fantastic.

What did he say to you?

He basically blamed me. He had no compassion for death threats on my children. He blamed me basically that if my son were to get killed, it would be my fault.

Really?

Yes.

Wow.

Yeah, it was, it was. And I said back to him, I said, no one's children should ever be the victim of death threats or have any kind of political violence brought on them because of our politics, because of our disagreements. He had no compassion whatsoever.

What do you feel about that? I mean, you knew Donald Trump very well, you were very close to him, you were very friendly, supportive and so on. To reach that point in your relationship, how do you feel about that?

I thought that tells me exactly who... It's like a nail in the coffin, it tells me exactly who Donald Trump is. Some of my biggest political enemies would never say that to me. Democrats that I may have had disagreements with in Congress

would have never said that to me. No one's ever said those type of words to me. I don't know what kind of person basically has no compassion or care to someone's child being threatened to be killed. It's unimaginable, really.

There are people who think that he's having cognitive, you know, mental issues, his erratic behavior, extreme comments, and so on are escalating. Polly Market, the prediction market, says 10% chance, chance removed via the 25th Amendment before 2027.

I mean, I would think that's highly unlikely, but what do you think of this debate from knowing him as well as you did and observing him recently? Have you seen a change, or can you explain why he's now lashing out with quite such frequency?

I do think there's something wrong with him. Well, everyone knows that the president doesn't sleep very much. He just doesn't. He doesn't get a lot of sleep. That can affect anyone's cognitive ability. It affects your moods, it affects your outlook, it affects everything about you, your physical health and your mental health. After he called to wipe out an entire civilization of Iran,

and no matter what anyone thinks about Iran, how can anyone wish for their entire country, every man, woman, and child to be killed? That to me is so evil, and it shows real mental depravity that needs to be examined.

And after that, I called for the 25th Amendment. Do I think it'll happen? No, I think it's extremely unlikely. One of the problems within the Trump administration, one of the problems in the Republican Party right now is people serve Donald Trump as if he

is some sort of cult leader. And it's, I don't know how anyone can't go against the president when he says such things as wiping out an entire civilization. Especially anyone in the administration or any Republican serving in the House or the Senate

that calls himself a Christian. They have to call that out. And there's an unwillingness there of every single one in the administration and every single one in Congress to be willing to challenge the president

when he says such things, as well as saying we need to examine what his mental state is. He's approaching 80 years old. And we have to be really honest with ourselves. We were challenging Joe Biden's cognitive abilities

and what is his health? And if we were willing to say that about Joe Biden and relate it to his age, then everyone should be honest and say the same thing about Donald Trump. It's completely absurd to not apply the same standard there.

And so, this is another one of those issues where, look, I'm a Republican, I'm still registered as a Republican. I very much stand on issues on the right as like pro-life and border security. I'm against the trans agenda on children.

None of these things have changed about me, but at least I'm willing to call it out and say we may have a problem with our president because look at the shocking things that he's saying. Look at the things that he's wanting to do and what direction are we moving in

and how much can this damage our country?

Marjorie Tully Green, thank you very much indeed for joining me on Uncensored.

Thank you, Piers, it was good to talk to you today.

Well, joining me now to debate all this is the host of The Crucible, Andrew Wilson, Jack Pasobic, the senior editor at Human Events who was at the White House this week, Joanne Carducci, better known as JoJo from JERS, and Mark Lamont Hill, host of BET News. Okay, let's start with you, Jack.

You've been at the White House. It's a pretty shocking interview, actually, with Marjorie Taylor Greene in many ways, not least the revelation she was coming out with about her last exchange with President Trump on text about her son and so on. What's your reaction to that?

I mean, there is a sense I'm getting that Donald Trump is lashing out at so many people that have either previously supported him or continue to support him, whether it's Riley Gaines or Georgia Maloney or Tucker Carlson or Megyn Kelly or Marjorie

Taylor Greene, whatever, that the number of people he's lashing out at who were pro-Trump is suggesting that he's behaving erratically in a way that should be causing concern. What is your view?

Well, Piers, I mean, first of all, you know, Marjorie Taylor Greene is someone that I consider a friend and certainly hope that everything is okay with her family and anything regarding that should always be opposed the same way I've always said that I oppose any type of of threats or violence. We had a situation, Turning Point USA, where Erica Kirk last night wasn't able to attend an event

because of threats that she is receiving and other other Information that was coming to light from the security team So that's something that obviously we take we always take very seriously, but when it comes to the president, you know He president Trump has had public feuds with people for his entire career even prior to his political career Whether it's tweets whether it's you know in in debate stages or or in interviews And so I think this is something that the voters quite largely have priced in, his personality.

This really isn't anything new. It certainly doesn't seem new to me. It isn't even the first time he's gotten to a spat with the Pope. He was in a spat with the last Pope. He's in a spat with the current Pope.

I say that as a Catholic. You know, so it's really just something that I feel like is part of sort of the cycle of Donald Trump, the cycle of President Trump and something that the voters have looked at and said that they have priced in, that they say, you know what, we still want him to deliver for us and that's why he won the popular vote.

But as a Catholic, how do you feel that over Easter weekend, he's out there trashing Pope Leo, he's out there, you know, it, a few days after, obviously, but he also posting memes of himself as Jesus and so on. I mean, it doesn't sit well with me as a Catholic, I have to say, I just think that, you know, but politically, I found it odd. I mean, I saw so many MAGA people being interviewed who love Trump, but were just really appalled by that. What did you feel?

Yeah, well, I also looked at it in its totality because I saw the Catholic bishops going on 60 Minutes and talking about how upset they were that the illegal aliens are being deported and that they're not filling the pews anymore. And yet they have this moral outrage for ICE and Tom Homan and President Trump because he's actually enforcing the border.

And that means that the gravy train of Catholic charities and having these illegals that come in is winding down. And I think that that's what the president was actually responding to, and the fact that Pope Leo has, of course, been passively, aggressively entering himself into politics.

He's been doing this for a while. He's entered the political field. And when I was in the Vatican City back at the conclave last year. I said, this guy is not a conservative. He is from Chicago. When he was a cardinal, he had a Twitter account

that was extremely anti-Trump. It was anti-JD Vance. And CNN played my comments. And I said, look, I'm not attacking the guy. I'm just calling it like it is. He is a liberal.

And I think that's now coming to the fore.

OK. is a liberal and I think that's now coming to the bear, coming to fore. Okay, Mark LeBron Hill, welcome back to to Uncensored. What do you think is going

on with Donald Trump here? So many things. First, I think the fact that people who normally don't dip into partisan politics are weighing in and the fact that people who normally are even leaning to the right, I mean even Marjorie Taylor Greene who's saying saying, look, I'm still a conservative, as she just told you, but I have some legitimate gripes with the president. That tells you something here. This isn't...

Well, the weird thing, just on that note, the weird thing about Marjorie Taylor Greene is, when you look at the things that she has said, which have enraged Trump, They're all things that Trump in the run up to being reelected was espousing himself. You know, don't engage in foreign wars, particularly in the Middle East, full transparency on the Epstein files, et cetera, et cetera.

It's hard to see why her staying on that message has enraged him to the point where he sort of excommunicates her.

And forgive me, it's a little bit of difficulty hearing you through my audio here. point where he sort of excommunicates it. And forgive me, it's a little bit of difficulty hearing you through my audio here, but there is a tension and a contradiction here. I mean, Donald Trump ran on a platform, if I understood your question correctly, ran on a platform that's very different than the one that he is engaging right now in terms of isolationism, in terms of effectively saying, I'm going to make sure the economy is strong. I'm not going to meddle in foreign wars.

I'm not going to mind anyone else's business. And I'm going to make sure that the country is back on a stable ground, as opposed to what happened with Joe Biden. That was his argument. I think people like Marjorie Taylor Greene brought into that. They believed in that. And now they're seeing him veer from his course. And like any cult leader, when they change course,

the expectation is not that you have to reconcile that by leaving the cult. It's that you change your ideology. And that's what's happening right now. But I think the bridge that was too far for many people who identify as believers, people of faith,

particularly Christians and Catholics specifically, is not just the contretemps with the Pope, but this Jesus image. I mean, there's just no way that you can look me straight in the face, Donald Trump, and say that you weren't engaging in what a Christian would reasonably determine as blasphemous behavior.

And instead of just saying, hey, I went too far, I made a mistake, he doubles down, gaslights us, and insults our intelligence by telling us that he thought that he was being a doctor. And in doing that, again, it seems like he's veering off the rails.

Yeah. Andrew Wilson, welcome to you, back to Uncensored. It was great to have you. A lot of our top comments on YouTube during this war with Iran have been, where is Andrew Wilson? So I'm glad we can allay any concerns

about your whereabouts. You're here. What do you make of this war? I mean, just. I mean, where else should I be, right? Well, exactly, exactly. What is your view of this? Well, we're six weeks in.

From where I'm looking, most of the things that we were told were likely to happen haven't happened. There's been no regime change. The people haven't risen up for variety of reasons. And the Iranians have worked out that if you shut the Strait of Hormuz,

you can pretty well cripple the global economy when it comes to energy. And by attacking the neighboring Gulf States, you can cripple their business model around tourism and entertainment and sport and so on. So I'm struggling to see any real victory here,

although I accept the Americans and Israeli military have been pounding away in Iran and probably very successfully at the Iranian military, but there's kind of an asymmetric war going on here where you could argue Iran is winning the other side of this.

What's your view?

Well, so we're not very far into this conflict. Trump doesn't have the Bush model. So the Bush model of nation building and Bush doctrine is not the Trump model. He's been very clear that he wants to get in and out of this place as quickly as he possibly can. And they're already moving into talks of peace and this kind of thing and opening up the

Straits of Formosa. So I don't think that this will be a long-term military action. I don't think it was ever designed to be a long-term military action. That Trump's never had any interest in those before. I don't see why he would have an interest in one now.

Right, but if it ends with the regime still in place, with the Ayatollah's son as the new supreme leader, albeit he's obviously been badly wounded but appears to be alive and has already been announced as a new supreme leader. The IRGC remain the controlling kind of military arm of the regime's leadership and then you have the enriched uranium remaining underground but still in Iranian control. And Iran insists as part of any peace deal that they have a form of control

over the Strait of Hormuz. How is any of that a win for America, particularly for a president who said, we want regime change, we want total surrender, they're never gonna build a nuke and all these things. If there's no guarantee of any of that, how is that a win?

Well, it wouldn't be. But they walked away from the peace talks saying that they're not going to accept those conditions from Iran. So they literally said we're not going to accept those conditionals. They're not allowed to enrich uranium.

And they walked away from them. So I don't think that this is done until the Iranians capitulate. You also can't trust Iranian state media. They lie constantly. Their state media lies on X constantly.

So we don't actually know just yet what sort of deal is going to come out of this. Right now, everybody's panicking, but there may be no reason to panic. You might want to just take a step back and see what happens before you rush to a take here.

As a committed Christian...

There's absolutely reason to panic, though.

No, there's no reason to panic, Mark.

I mean, we voted 13 people in flag-draped coffins at this point. But that's okay. Don't worry about the 13 people, the 13 hearings that we sent back in coffins.

Was Trump over there killing too many pedophiles for you? Is it upsetting that he killed the Ayatollah Khamenei, who married a 15-year-old?

You want to talk about Trump and pedophiles? Yeah, let's. Let's get into it.

I don't think that's the door you want to open.

I do, yes. You don't want to open that door. You want to get a Epstein? Hang on, hang on. You guys are constantly saying that Trump is covering for pedophiles. He's killing them, overwhelmingly killing them.

Piers, can I just say that your interview with Marjorie Taylor Greene was excellent.

Don't all talk at once. JoJo, yeah.

Yeah, no, look, I can't believe I'm going to say this, but I agreed with everything Marjorie Taylor Greene, for the most part, said, and that was a great interview that you had with her. And something Marjorie Taylor Greene said was that Donald Trump ended his relationship with her. He called her a traitor. He called her and screamed at her because she was not going to take her name off of

the discharge petition for the Epstein files release. And I don't know why that isn't a big red flag for you. He said to her, you can't do this or it will hurt my friends. Now, if you don't want to have a conversation about Donald Trump and Epstein, then you're really just taking what Marjorie Taylor Greene just said and calling her, I guess you're calling her a liar. Because why would Donald Trump go to such great lengths? Why would he end his relationship, his friendship with one of his original and most ardent supporters over releasing the Epstein files if there was nothing in the

Epstein files that he needed to worry about. And by the way, we just saw the case with the Wall Street Journal and defamation that Donald Trump had alleged had happened in releasing that card, the birthday card to Jeffrey Epstein, that the court threw that out. So if you want to open that door for a conversation about pedophiles and Donald Trump, I'm happy to go there.

I mean, I'm not happy to go there because it's the dark side of the fort.

Andrew, hang on, Andrew, Andrew, the question I would ask you is, the Donald Trump, the candidate in 2024 was very clear. I will be totally transparent about the Epstein files. We're going to release everything. Secondly, we're not going gonna engage in pointless foreign wars, particularly in the Middle East.

They couldn't have been clearer about that. We're gonna be America first, we're gonna control our border, which he's done very successfully, by the way. But he wasn't gonna do that, he was gonna be transparent on Epstein,

he was gonna be not committing anything in terms of wars in the Middle East. And he's gone against those two things pretty dramatically. And Marjorie Taylor Greene still wants transparency on Epstein files. And she still doesn't think America should be engaging in new foreign wars, particularly in the Middle East,

which is where Trump was in 2024. And now the third prong of this for you is as a committed Christian, you can't be happy when he starts reposting memes, you know, of himself as Jesus Christ. And he's done another one today of him with Jesus.

And he's attacking the Pope and so on. But if you're a Catholic, you care about that. If you're not, you probably don't. But this stuff with Jesus Christ, you can't be happy with that, are you, Andrew?

Yeah, so there's a lot here to respond to. So let's start with this. We'll start with the Christian front first. So Trump has made a million jokes, which would be considered offensive. It's amazing to me that a bunch of progressives

are panicking about blasphemy when they have all these gay musicals that they put in all of these newspapers and With you like Jesus Christ are being played by a bald lesbian for instance. They don't care about that They told me on this very show Pierce that that wasn't blasphemous that that was fine But now suddenly Christians are supposed to be morally outraged on progressives behalf for some reason. When it comes to Marjorie Taylor Greene.

That works both ways.

Hang on, hang on. Let me respond to some of Pierce's questions. When it comes to Marjorie Taylor Greene, this progressive here just got done telling me, hey, I actually agree with her. That's amazing. Yes, of course, they'll agree with her.

When she's anti-Trump, these people have TDS. Joe's all over Twitter has always had TDS. She agrees with Marjorie Taylor Greene because it's politically expedient to do so. When it comes to the Epstein files, they lie about this too. There's tons of redactions that are put in and lawyers who restrain this on behalf of the victims. That's been going on for years.

Under Trump, he's the only one who's ever released anything on the Epstein files. Where was Joe asking for Biden to release a damn thing on the Epstein files? Nowhere. She did one tweet. We got one tweet from Joe who's on Twitter every single day tweeting your tweeting your brains out about how Biden needs to release the Epstein files. Nothing. It's always just anti-Trump, anti-Trump.

I'd like to respond when he's done.

OK, can I jump in now? Yeah, let Mark respond, then I'll come to you, Joe.

Let Mark respond, then I'll come to you, Joe.

Okay, I've missed about four rounds here. So the first thing is, the panic around Iran, just to be clear, isn't about the death of pedophiles. That's just a gross misrepresentation. Thousands of Iranians have been killed. Almost 1,800 civilians have been killed. 250, as of the time of this recording, I believe 254 children have been killed. That's what I'm upset about. That's my concern.

My concern is the killing of a sovereign leader. My concern is running roughshod in a region and continuing the U.S. foreign policy position of having no legitimate friends and only political interests. With regard to the Christian blasphemy thing that you said you're misrepresenting the progressive position of the left wing position it's not that we want christians to be outraged on behalf of

of uh... of progressives i expect christians to be outraged on behalf of christianity and they are i'm not i'm not i'm not i'm not because it serves your interest saying we can't have it because it serves your interest saying we can't representations of God, then this is simply an immoral, this is simply a blasphemous or immoral position and instead of deflecting at what progressives get mad or don't get mad at, it's okay to just say, hey Trump screwed this one up and finally when it comes to Marjorie Taylor Green, it's not Trump derangement that leads me to agree with her, she just talked about the war of

the trans agenda on children. I think she's a hundred percent wrong on that. She talked about other things I think she's 100% wrong on. Well that's blasphemous. Again, again, that's fine. Also interrupting me is blasphemous. Let me finish. My point here is that when Roger Taylor says something...

That would only be blasphemous if you see yourself as Jesus Christ.

Yeah, and you know what? I would never do that because I am not Donald Trump.

Then he can't be blasphemous.

I don't have that kind of self-identification. So again, allow me to finish my final point, which was simply, I agree with Marjorie Taylor Greene when she's right. If Donald Trump says there's a genocide in Gaza, I say Trump's right. If Trump says, you know what, I have not been responsible in the Epstein files, I'll say he's right. If he says Piers Morgan's not as handsome as Mark Lamont Hill, I'll say he's right. It's not about the person. It's about the principle.

And it just so happens that she's right on that point.

It's not Trump derangement.

She's just finally stepping outside of the cult and saying something true. I'll come back to Andrew for a moment, but Jojo, you wanted to respond to what Andrew said about you. And in particular, by the way, why was it that the Biden administration did not reveal any Epstein files?

Because it was an ongoing investigation.

That's why.

Four years.

Simple answer to that question.

Four years?

You didn't reveal a single file?

Simple answer to that question. It was an ongoing investigation. That's my understanding. They couldn't reveal a single file in four years? I don't want to relitigate Joe Biden's administration. Again, Piers, it was an ongoing investigation to go on Maxwell's case. McSweeny died six years ago, didn't he? I don't want to relitigate Joe Biden's now. You're not gonna let anybody talk? Were you not, like, did you not get held enough as a child? Now, back to the TDS.

It's not TDS to call out the fact that Donald Trump has betrayed his voters. Donald Trump has repeatedly betrayed his base. He has gone back on his promises. He said no new foreign wars. He said he would release the Epstein files,

that there would be justice for the survivors. He said that he would lower prices. He said that gas prices would come down. He said he would bring back manufacturing. He said he would bring back jobs. None of those things have happened. It's not Trump derangement syndrome for Marjorie Taylor Greene or me, for that matter, to point

out the fact that he is betraying his voters and he is not serving the interests of the American people. He is not putting America first. He's entangled in foreign wars. He's much more interested in getting himself a Nobel Peace Prize or a FIFA Peace Prize or whatever it is that he's seeking. And I think that it's incumbent upon all of us to have these conversations honestly about

what is happening right now.

We are contending with a're seven weeks into this war. If you're going to be honest, then stop obfuscating away from the fact that you haven't answered to why it is that Biden didn't actually release any of this. Hang on, hang on, Joe. We're not talking about Joe Biden. Who's the president right now? No, no, no.

You haven't answered the question, Joe.

You didn't answer the question as's your name, Andrew? You need to let me finish, lady. Okay, you did not answer the question as to why Marjorie Taylor Greene said he broke their relationship over the Epstein files. Don't tell me to calm down. Dude, smoke your cigarette. Do not tell me to calm down.

Why did Marjorie Taylor Greene say he ended their relationship because she wouldn't? Do not tell me to calm down. Dude, you sit there and smoke your cigarette. You're not answering the question about why Marjorie Taylor Greene has to say he screamed at her. Dude, you need to calm down.

You've talked a lot.

You interrupted the other gentleman.

Just relax.

Now, you need to answer the question as to why Marjorie Taylor Greene.

We're not talking about your husband.

Who is the president, dude?

No, it's not your show, asshole.

The show is a Keith Morgan show.

It's not yours either, bitch.

It's not your show. The first question that was put before the panel was why did Marjorie Taylor Greene say that Donald Trump called her a traitor over the Epstein files. Andrew, why won't you answer that question? Who's the president right now? Why didn't Biden release anything on the Epstein files?

That was the question you confiscated away from.

Who is the president right now?

I'm pointing out your hypocrisy.

Do you know what hypocrisy is?

Who is the president right now?

I need you to answer that question.

I did answer the question.

Given it is my show.

Are you okay? Sorry, lady and gentleman, if I may intervene, it is Jojo, as you said, my show, Piers Morgan Uncensored. The truth is Biden was totally wrong not to be transparent in releasing Epstein files and Donald Trump for a very long period, probably continuing now, has not been as transparent as he promised to be. So a stain on all their houses, frankly, if you're an Epstein victim,

you have been served a grotesque miscarriage of governmental justice over this. Jack, you'd be very patient, as always. The thing, the interesting part of all this is when I talk to someone like Marjorie Taylor Greene for 20 odd minutes, whatever it was,

I'm just struggling to see why her positions on these things, which appear to be very consistent with Trump, the candidate in 2024, have now become enough to enrage him to the point he has nothing more to do with her and wants to call her a traitor and everything else. She hasn't really moved from where he was in 2024. It's Donald Trump who's moved, isn't it?

Well, I think if you talk about certain issues, yes, but if you want to talk about tweets and you want to talk about this language and that language, I think, no, I think it's the same behaviour that we've always seen, the same personality that President Trump has always had. He posts memes, we always know that he posts memes. He's posted a meme of himself as a green frog in the past. He posts memes all the time. Hulk Hogan.

He's posted memes of him as Rambo and different things, I think, and others. So I don't really see a change in his personality. It's always been his personality. His personality won the first time. His personality won the popular vote in 2024.

That's been his personality. Now, if they have a disagreement, a personal disagreement over tactics, that's where I think that this takedown came from. But I do have a very interesting question because there's an opportunity right now for us to, you know, on this whole Epstein thing, to actually sort of everyone show our cards

because there is a situation going on right now in Congress. We've got two congressmen who have been credibly accused of mistreating women, one of which is Tony Gonzalez, the other one is Eric Swalwell. Eric Swalwell has resigned. They both resigned. As of this point, there may be further things going on.

I released a video on Saturday night of Eric Swalwell in a very compromising position, and there are many people now asking questions of his close friend, Senator Ruben Gallego, who they've been, they've traveled together, they've been very close together, very chummy together. So on this point of Epstein, I remember when Gallego last year was running around all year saying Epstein files, Epstein files, Epstein files, Epstein files. But the minute that he's asked, what was your relationship with Eric Swalwell?

Suddenly he claims up. There's nothing to be released. No pictures, no text, no files. So the question is, and again, I've said this Republican and Democrat, I don't care. But if he knew something, why won't he release those files? And why don't I hear Democrats or liberals calling for Gallego to release what he knew about Swalwell? And the people aren't even asking him questions about this. It's ridiculous.

Well, the thing about Swalwell, I just think, is that he was first out of the traps whenever any Republican politician was ever caught in any scandal involving inappropriate behavior with women. And the number of videos of him

taking the high moral ground about all this and then to see what's now unraveling about him

is quite extraordinary. of him taking the high moral ground about all this, and then to see what's now unraveling about him

is quite extraordinary. But it does beg the question, was he really doing all this? And nobody, nobody in the whole Democratic Party seems to have had any knowledge of any of it. It just seems to be stretching credulity a little too far.

Hold fire panel for a moment. I'm just gonna very briefly, on the issue of the 25th Amendment, which Marjorie Taylor Green would like to see brought against Donald Trump. We're joined by a guest who has a strong view on the president's health and is a psychologist, Dr John Gartner, the founder of Duty to Warn.

Well, welcome to Uncensored, Dr Gartner. Your view is what about Donald Trump's cognitive current abilities?

The man is not compass-mentis. Those who know him well say he wasn't the same man he was four years ago, but I believe that he is showing signs of dementia. A lot of doctors are saying that now. Dr. Van Gupta has been saying it. And the nature of dementia is it doesn't get better,

it doesn't stay the same, it gets worse, and the rate of decline accelerates. Now I think he's not the same man he was four weeks ago. We're watching his decline in real time accelerate, and it's really quite frightening because the type of dementia that we think he has, frontotemporal dementia, the main component is a lack of inhibition of aggressive behavior, as well as loss of memory

and confusion. But because the frontal lobes, which are the brakes in our brain that give us judgment, that hold us back from acting out impulsively, that's the part that's deteriorating. So not only is he losing his capacity to understand and comprehend, but he's losing all internal inhibitions and that's why he's behaving in this more erratic and actually self-destructive way in this, I mean, say tweeting against the Pope

or cursing people out, that he's always been impulsive and aggressive.

I mean, he has attacked.

But now it's starting to show in a more extreme way.

He attacked Pope Francis. He's attacked individuals throughout his entire life as an adult, both as a real estate tycoon, as a TV star, as a politician, there's nothing unusual about any of that. I spoke to him on the phone two months ago and he sounded for about 10 minutes exactly the same as the Donald Trump I've known for 20 years. So I'm not sure that I've personally seen any evidence of this

dementia you're talking about. But I guess my question for you would be, did you express the same public warnings about Joe Biden?

Well, I think the difference was they were hiding Joe Biden from us.

So we really weren't hiding him from us on television. I mean, I wrote a number of columns, for example, for the New York Post, in which I said there is clear evidence that Biden is suffering serious cognitive decline, which looks to me like the early onset of dementia. I did this repeatedly for two years. I'm not even a psychologist. But I'm just curious whether you ever publicly expressed any concerns about Biden's cognitive

ability while he was president.

Well, I think that we missed that one, to be honest, especially for those of us who didn't have close contact with him.

But he... So you saw nothing, just to be clear, you saw nothing about Joe Biden in public life during the last two years of his presidency, which as a psychologist made you think he had any cognitive issues whatsoever?

Well, I think the shocking moment was the debate.

Yeah, but before the debate.

Before the debate.

Well, unlike Trump, who's so out there with his cognitive deficits, as I'm saying, I think that his handlers were doing a very good job of keeping him out of the public eye.

But Biden was talking to dead people in audiences. He was falling over all the time. He was talking complete gibberish half the time. He looked to me half zombie-like for the last two years of his tenure. I suppose the point I would make to you, Dr Gardner, is it's hard to escape the suspicion that you are politically motivated rather medically motivated because for years we

all watched Biden's obvious cognitive decline unravel on the most public stage imaginable. But you've only piped up when it's Donald Trump, not when it was Joe Biden. So people are saying, come off it. They're watching this going, really? You didn't say a single word in public, but now you're trashing Trump all over the place?

What do you say to those?

I say that humanity is in the most dangerous moment now that's ever happened in human history because the man who is president is a malignant narcissist who wants to assert his dominance and his grandiosity over the world. And as he's starting to cognitively deteriorate, he's attacking on an impulsive basis, based on the thrill he gets from destruction because he's a malignant narcissist and based on his confused cognitive picture so that he's acting on impulse he's not acting on strategy okay he can't tell us when where why how he says he knows it in his bones and so no one can there's no rhyme

or reason to it but now it relates not just to awkward comments or wandering away from ceremonies, right, but starting what potentially World War III, and this is happening now.

Okay. I'm just, like I say, a little bemused that you didn't see anything wrong with Joe Biden, but perhaps your own cognitive abilities as a psychologist went missing for a few years. But anyway, Dr. Gartner, thank you very much indeed for joining me.

Thank you for having me.

All right, back to the panel. Andrew Wilson, I mean, we might have had a clear example there of Trump derangement syndrome where there was nothing to see with President Biden whatsoever, even though me, an English guy sitting in London, was able to see it very

clearly.

Well, they hid him from us, peers. They hid him from us, you see. That's the, he couldn't, he couldn't, how could he diagnose him? They had him trapped in the basement. He wasn't allowed to come out and say hello. Of course that's Trump derangement syndrome.

He also, the guy also said a whole bunch of things there that were incorrect. We're on the precipice of World War III. No, we're not. That's complete panic mongering. Totally made up. Who would the axis of it would be exactly for the new World War III? Just totally made up nonsense.

And by the way, of course the guy didn't say anything about Joe Biden. He probably said Joe Biden sharpens attack like most of these guys did. Meanwhile, there was a ghost administration who was running it on behalf of Joe Biden because he was not cognitively there. He also declares that Trump's a grandiose narcissist. Based on what?

Based on what? You got nothing. The guy has nothing. Total TDS. These people are ghouls.

He just posted a meme of himself as Jesus Andrew He thought it was him as a doctor. He did not say it was a joke JD Vance said it was a joke. But Donald Trump didn't say it was a joke. He said he posted it himself.

Trump's been meaning three years.

So you're right.

There's no indications of malignant narcissism there.

I was there when he said that.

He had a little smirk on his face when he said that.

He put his name on it. You're right. There's no evidence whatsoever of pulling it.

Well, JoJo, let me ask you.

Hang on.

Hang on.

Hang on.

JoJo, let me ask you. How many times before the big debate, where it became too obvious for anyone to deny it, how many times before then did you out your concern about Joe Biden's cognitive abilities?

Well I'm going to just answer that question about Joe Biden.

I really want to focus on the person who has the nuclear post.

How many times before the debate...

None, and I can tell you why, Piers. I've actually, and I can tell you why.

Well sorry, is the answer zero?

And I can tell you why if you'll allow me to just expand on that.

Sure, you had no concern at all about his cognitive ability.

Can I just answer the question? Sure. I appreciate the question. I want an opportunity to answer it and I also want an opportunity to discuss the fact that the person with the nuclear codes right now needs to be the focus of this conversation.

But I'm talking about the guy who had them two years ago.

Yeah, I'm happy to answer that but he's also not the president at the moment I had the unbelievable good fortune of having met Joe Biden four times I met him first in 2022 at the White House where he was Much younger and and and I would say had more energy But he was so engaged with everybody on that rope line that he took time with each person to have a conversation About where they were from he talked to my friend Joe about his grandfather who came here from Italy.

I got to meet him three more times. The last time I met him was in December of 2024 after the election. And I was lucky enough to have been invited to the Roosevelt Room and I was lucky enough to have gone to the Oval Office.

And when I had conversations with Joe Biden then, he took plenty of time. He took almost 20 minutes with a whole bunch of us to talk. I did notice that he was slower in his step. I did notice that his health did seem diminished, that he seemed much, much older. The office does age you. And Joe Biden is an older man.

He's older than Donald Trump by a few years. I would tell you this, and I told him the name of the town where I live. And he said, without skipping a beat, that he knew the famous confection that is made in my town, because Jill is from New Jersey. Joe Biden said that like that.

Do I think he was slower in his step? Do I think that he was less healthy, less vigorous when he was leaving office than when he entered it? Absolutely, but every president has. I want to focus on the person right now who is threatening genocide on Orthodox Easter, after the Easter prior to that, threatening to decimate an entire country of 90 million people. I think that the focus right now, instead of litigating the past, should be on our national

security, on our safety, and on whether or not the person in charge of all that is Cooper for Peralta. Mark, I'll bring you in. The point I would make is, the whole thing I've tried to do on this show is be intellectually honest, right? Which is to call out all this stuff whenever I think it's wrong.

I called out Biden repeatedly when he did dumb stuff. I've called out Trump repeatedly, particularly recently, when I think he does dumb stuff. It's people that refuse to call out anything on their side, but then hammer Trump, or the other side, by the way, if they call out nothing on the Trump side,

but only hammer the Democrats. I didn't see anything fall out, OK? I think there's an intellectual dishonesty to that. Mark?

I think that intellectual honesty is necessary. But it's also important to not use intellectual honesty as a kind of pretext to avoid the issue at hand. When we're talking about Joe Biden, to be clear, Joe Biden showed cognitive decline, in my estimation. In my estimation, Joe Biden, at some point,

was not capable of being president. And at some point, Joe Biden, probably based on the reports I've heard and people and some reliable sources, was not managing some of the day-to-day operations of the presidency, which, to me,

effectively amounts as a coup if people are running the country who we didn't vote for. So I'm fine saying Joe Biden was awful. I'm also okay saying Joe Biden was awful on the Epstein files. We can say all of those things. Everyone doesn't agree with me on this point. But I'm saying yes, all of that is true. Having stipulated that, Donald Trump is president right now, and I'd love to have the conversation

about Donald Trump's cognitive ability. I thought the 25th Amendment was appropriate for Joe Biden, and I definitely think it's relevant for Donald Trump. I think the Epstein critique was applicable to Biden, and it's definitely applicable to Donald Trump. And I'm not just saying that now, I said it then, even on this show.

Okay, let me give the final word to Jack. We run out of time. Jack, what is gonna happen here? We got the buildup to the midterm elections. We're nearly in May, so it's not far away. All the sort of mood music around this is that because of the way the Iran war's been going

and the effect it's had on inflation and food prices coming and oil prices and so on, that ultimately the punishment will come in November, that the Republicans will lose not just the House, but also the Senate potentially, and that Trump then becomes a lame duck.

Can you see that scenario happening?

Well, Piers, I mean, I'm certainly aware that that is the conventional narrative here in Washington, D.C. That's the conventional narrative that we see playing across the media. There's no question.

And by the way, just to kind of reiterate the point, Piers, I came on this very program and called out the mishandling of the Epstein files. And I was part of it. With the AG Bondi, who is no longer in office.

No, you did.

You don't remember. This whole debacle with handing us a bunch of files that had already been released. More than happy to point that out. And say that that was, I think, the first big misstep of the administration where this break between the move to the admin and then the 2024 coalition that

had won that broad support had really came in. And it still comes up, by the way. We had the Turning Point event last night down at the University of Georgia and got the vice president there. And every other question was about Epstein.

And the other questions were all about Israel, Gaza, Iran, et cetera. A couple of questions on H-1B as well. And so what I've said, and I said this in interviews, I said it on my show, is that the key here has to be turn the ship towards economic relief for the American people now. Not indirect relief, direct relief, whether it's gas prices, whether it's food prices, whatever the prices are, well, housing prices, of course, rebates are coming. Today's tax day in the U.S., obviously.

So people need to see that direct relief now. That's the key. Bring it back home. And by the way, I've also said that I do think that the whole situation with Iran is really all about China and it's really all about this May 14th meeting that's coming up in Beijing. I asked the president about that on Monday. Then he confirmed that.

Then we see this morning the Strait of Hormuz is now open and he mentioned the involvement of Xi Jinping. So I think there's a lot going on vis-a-vis our relationship with China and what happens in that deal that could potentially lead to long-term growth for middle America. But that may not come in time for the midterm election.

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