"Creí que era mía… NO acepté que estuviera con otro y la M4T3 | Hoy pago 40 años de prisión”

How long did you live together? I took it like that. And you start to feel like that person is yours. I lent her a cell phone. And on that cell phone I had already duplicated the WhatsApp. And I realized everything. I could never forgive her. I had bought a lot of s**t because I wanted to take it away.

Sterling, what is it that costs so much for one to be able to separate at that moment?

It costs a lot to let go of the idea that there won't be a family anymore. I remember it as if I had seen it, not as if I had done it. I told her, Mom, I just f***ed Jessica. Now they're going to f*** me too. Go pick up the child that I left at home.

I was in agreement that I would make her feel the maximum penalty. Welcome to another episode of Conducta Delictiva. Today from the La Picota prison, the biggest one in Colombia, in Bogota. To tell you a story that many of us repeat every day, unfortunately. You know that everything we do here is to tell stories

to achieve prevention, so that people who are on the street understand that these cases are still happening and that it can happen to you, that you don't see this situation so far away. Also for people who are suffering, perhaps, from these violences, report them, make. Also for the people who are suffering from these violences,

report them, make decisions, and the people who are provoking them, see what the result will be, what the consequence will be, and perhaps make better decisions. Remember that the person who sits here

does it with a lot of courage, in the case that they know that you are exposed to a whole country, so let's take this opportunity to learn, to learn and well, we receive your comments, the most important thing of all this is to achieve prevention every day, that you make better decisions.

On February 3, 2023, the media titled a fact that marked the country. And today we are going to talk to Sterling Joan Vásquez, who was sentenced to 40 years in prison for having finished the life of his ex-partner for the moment. But today he is going to tell us his version of the facts. Sterling, welcome to Conducta Delictiva. Thank you for being here with us.

Good afternoon.

He told us that we caught him in a complex moment.

A little.

Why?

I'm going through depression and anxiety problems. They're even treating me in here.

Sterling, why did you decide to talk? I'm to serve as prevention as well, to avoid many of these cases. Let's go back a little. Who were you when you were on the street, even before meeting the victim, who by the way, we are not going to say the name, but we are going to call her that, the victim in this case. What did you do before meeting her?

I have always worked as if it were whatever I could, but I studied cooking and I spent most of my time in that.

How many years were you working in that?

I almost always worked in that, but for seasons. And I also worked independently.

Sterling, how was your childhood? What do you remember?

We were very humble. We always were. We were very close. We were very close within the... How do you say? Our family bond was very close.

But we grew up with my mom's family. But always together.

And your dad was present?

Always.

And how was the relationship between your parents?

Sometimes they had problems, inconveniences.

But was there any kind of abuse?

Sometimes.

And that marks you?

I think so. I never thought I would go through a situation like this, but I think that does mark you. I always, when I grew up, in adolescence, I always thought I would never raise my hand to a woman. I always thought that, I always... I mean, when I grew up, in my adolescence, I always thought that I would never raise my hand to a woman. I always thought that. I always said that. But, well, it finally happened and...

And... I don't know, it's something like one... I mean, it goes like... Like carrying... Like the subconscious... I mean, one always keeps those things there.

Even if one doesn't want to.

And that... Conscientiously, you always keep those things there. Even if you don't want to. And that... ...was marked when you made your first home?

No, I never... I lived with three women, including my son's mother. But it was a short time, the first two, but there was no violence.

How does that teenage stage start, Sterling, and how does it develop in those love relationships?

I lived for a while in Chocó with my parents, and I don't know, there I didn't have any problems or problems there. I liked going out. I liked doing sports, playing football. I always liked that. And when I arrived in Bogotá, I met a group of friends, people who liked going out to drink, and I started going out with them.

And there you met your first partner?

No, I met her in Chocó, and then she came to live here in Bogotá, and we talked again.

What was the difference between those first two homes with the one she had with her son's mother? Why wasn't there violence in those?

I think it was because there wasn't was no strong bond like being parents. I mean, there was no trust, no lack of respect, because I think that we had not was necessary to use violence.

Where did you meet your son's mother?

I had seen her the first sex with other guys. She was about 14 years old, I was 19. So, that day I said a few words to her, and I accompanied her home and I left. And then, when we started a relationship, she was having sex it from another side.

And how did that friendship come to be?

I was leaving a relationship. So, to avoid problems with that person, I went to Chocó. I have family there, my dad's family lives there. So, she always took me there to work. And, well, I stayed there talking to her and she told me that she went there. So, she told me to talk to my mom and my aunt,

who were basically the ones who sent her or kept her or the ones who saw her. So, well, I talked to them and they agreed that she would go there with me. She left. We were only there for two months in the choco and we came back here.

How was it that you met her family? With her mother, how did you get along? para acá como fue y sabes que conoció la familia ella con la mamá como se la

llevaba yo haya siempre los respete mucho a todos no creo que de pronto en lo que les falté al respeto era que yo llegaba tarde porque me iba a tomar pero no creo que les haya faltado el respeto de nada I was going to drink, but I don't think they were disrespectful in anything else.

And by then, did you have any problems with the liquor? Or did you drink sporadically?

Yes, it was something sporadic.

And well, and then you went to the choco those two months, and there the coexistence was good?

Good, normal.

But you were already dating?

Yes

How did that relationship continue? Did you arrive to Bogotá? Did you settle down?

No, she stayed living in their mom's house and I stayed in mine but then we stayed together for a long time and

yes, like two months later I got pregnant but we kept together for a long time and

yes, like two months later I got pregnant How do you take that news? I think we take it very well I mean, we as a couple I mean, it was never like a shock, but like accepting the situation

Right now you were telling us that the first time you saw her she was 14 years old but when you became boyfriends, how old was she? situation. because the house is her grandmother's. They gave us a room and we started living together.

How were those first days of living together?

We were getting along. I never tried to disrespect her. We started to disrespect each other. I remember that she was pregnant and she told me that she wanted to go out. Since I went out a lot, I left her with the family and I left. That day I went out with her.

And a boy invited her to dance. I didn't see anything wrong a scene. I took her home and left. That day, I was in the bathroom. I was in the bathroom. I was in the bathroom. I was in the bathroom. I was in the bathroom. I was in the bathroom. She was very jealous. She got up and made a scene. So I took her home and left.

That day we both spoke to each other. And from that day on, I think everything changed.

Everything changed?

That day I almost f***ed myself up. I got a f***ing blow to the chest. That same day.

Why?

Because of a problem. After I left her, a problem where I was taking it. And you were in trouble? Yes, I can't say no. Why would I get... But sometimes... I've always been very calm. I try not to mess with anyone.

Even being here in this place, I've never had had problems with anyone.

And why did you have those arguments?

I don't know, I think more than anything else it's like ignorance too, because you think sometimes that they are making it up or something like that. No, they are like, yeah, like ignorant, more like.

You say that everything changed from that first lack of respect. Do you think that after that, there's no turning back? When you start with those things, saying bad words, everything.

No, you can, but we didn't, we didn't make it. We continue like this, things were escalating. I tried going and things just kept escalating. I tried to separate from her many times.

It wasn't just one or two times. It was many times. I even went to Spain. When I was in Spain, her family wrote to me, her aunt wrote to me and told me

that she hadn't stayed at home. The child was one year and two months old. That she hadn't stayed at home, the child was one year and two months old, that she did not stay at home, that they did not know what to do because the child spent her crying. So, I returned again for the child. We had inconveniences, it was almost always for the child too, because she at the beginning, because she was always a good mother, She was always worried about the kid.

But at the beginning, she didn't know what to do with the kid.

She was very young too. She was very young. And you decided to go back.

Yes.

But Sterling, when you lived in that house before you went to Spain, did your family hear you arguing? Or did that happen in that house before you went to Spain, did your family listen to you arguing? Or did that happen in that room?

Yes, they always listened to us.

What did your mom and them say?

They always respected me a lot because she was very jealous and she was impulsive too. So they tried to find a way to reason with me. So I left and she was the one who left me there.

And from your part, in the moment that you tell us that it was that first lack of respect, how did you continue climbing? Do you remember any other situation where that was worse?

Yes, many times. I failed a lot in that too because after that day she told me a few words and I repeated the same thing she had told me, even worse. So I always failed at that too.

And why were those the main problems? Do you remember any of those situations that you fought over?

Many times because I was jealous of her towards me. And then, with time, I also became very jealous. But we also fought a lot for the child's upbringing. Because sometimes she just wanted to solve the child's problems.

And if this is the family's problem, do you think they would agree?

Well, if they are consistent with the things that happened, I think so. I don't think they can say otherwise.

And do you start to come back? Colombia, you came back to live together.

When I arrived in Colombia, I didn't want to be with her anymore because we had many inconveniences. So I thought it was a radical decision because I didn't feel anything for her, the truth is, by that time I didn't feel anything for her. But her family was very supportive, so, I don't know, with the bond we had for the child, I tried to never leave her alone. And we started talking again and then we started living together again.

And in that second episode of living together, when did that happen?

Or did the physical abuse happen? We lived together for 9 years and...

I don't know, everything happened so fast that I don't...

I remember everything was going up but I don't remember when we started to behave like that. Do you remember the first time you attacked her? No, I don't remember, to be honest. And it happened many times.

Yes, it happened many times. Let's say that those episodes where everything had escalated, were they the result of the same thing that you told us before? Or were they another type of problem?

Yes, it was always the same. It was always the same. Sometimes we had problems, they were things like a couple, I was going to work and I would arrive late at night. She was lying down, they hadn't made anything for dinner,

neither for the child, nor for her, nor for me. So we started arguing about that too. I think those were the kinds of problems we had. When I didn't work, when I wasn't at work, it was normal for her, it was like a duty, or yes, something of a couple, that she had food. I don't see anything strange about that,

because I was also the one who cooked at home, almost always. So, I failed many times in that, maybe I thought that by living with her or living with her, I was like her father, like her owner, so to speak. You started acting like her father? Yes, with authority towards her. I failed a lot in that.

What things did you tell her? What did you try to correct? The way I treated the child. I corrected her a lot in that too. In the way I treated the child. In that she wanted to be sleeping all the time. Right now I don't see anything wrong with that, but in her time I always saw that she was wrong. Because she didn't do her homework, although I didn't care if she was cleaning or sweeping. I didn't care about that.

But I did see that she was too lazy to get up and make breakfast for the child when she went to school. I did it, I didn't have any problems with that. But there came a point where I said, well, I'm the only one doing this, so we have to collaborate.

And why do you think she behaved like that?

I think it's a matter of upbringing, I guess.

And at some point, did you have problems with her mom?

I never had any problems with them. We fought, sometimes very hard. And in the moment of the argument, maybe her mom argued with me, but it was only that moment. The next day we were normal again. Even when I saw the mistakes,

I also apologized to them. Just like to my son's mom, I also apologized to them because I was always very aware that I was misbehaving.

And when things escalated and there was a physical issue, did they also take into account the next day as if nothing?

No, she suggested several times that I report, there were even some... Yes, like... Family police station, they had gone and made documents of that.

Sterling, what is it that costs so much for one to be able to separate at that moment?

At that moment, since... I mean, that they ask me that at this moment... Suddenly... I... The last time I was with her, that I lived with her, I felt that I loved her a lot.

And we had made so many promises that it's hard to forget. It's hard to let go of the idea that there won't be a family anymore. That's hard.

What promises did you make?

That we would be together forever. I don't think you should use words like that right now. She told me she was mine, so I took it like that. When we had our moments alone, she always told me that she would never leave her alone. She only felt that she had a family and that it was me. She always told me that.

That she was yours. And how did that get into your head?

Yes, I mean, you see that as a normal act of a couple or out of affection, but in reality that does get into your head. And you start to feel like that person is yours and you don't conceive that that person is going to be with another person, with someone else.

It gets to the point, Sterling, where she makes the decision to leave, to separate. That was two months before the events. Why did she make that decision? What was that fact that led her to separate?

A discussion about a previous problem. She had been dating someone else before. We were not living together. I had gone to my mom's house, like two years ago. And she was dating someone else. So I realized and I confronted her. And then she told me that she had made a mistake. That she didn't want to get away from me.

And we got back together and everything got worse. At that time we couldn't live together anymore. Even so, still did it.

Why was it worse?

Because I never forgot everything that happened. And even though I felt that I loved her a lot, I could never forgive her.

But at that time, when she went out with another person, you were no longer a couple?

I didn't live with her, but we were a couple. We saw each other every day. She would go to my mom's house every day, where I was.

So, you felt betrayed?

Of course, a lot. No, I could never forgive her. I tried, we even went to get psychological help because she told me that she wanted to be with me but that it was very difficult. And every time we had an inconvenience, she would go to her mom's and come back in a few days. And we continued until that happened.

And when she told you that she didn't want to be by your side anymore, what was your reaction?

At first it was something normal because she told me that and she left and I came back again after 3 or 4 days. And after I felt that it was true, it was really hard. She was doing things she didn't do when she left. Like leaving the baby to me. She left and left the baby to me. So, I felt helpless.

How does everything start to work in your brain, Sterling? When do you start getting those ideas?

I don't even know how to explain that, because I never really thought I would do that to her. I always thought of like, like, scaring her. Or that she would know that what I was feeling was hurting me. But I never thought of doing that to her.

The goal of scaring her was... ...for her to end up in what result?

I don't know, for her to get away from me. And maybe from her too. That was what I thought. Even though that day that happened, I couldn't sleep all night. I was awake all night.

No, I really didn't think I could do that to her.

When you weren't feeling that at that moment, could you suddenly tell comment on that situation?

I called her mother days before that. I had even made a video in which I said that I wanted to take my clothes off, that video is still in my family. I also spoke with her mother a couple of times. I explained to them, I told them to speak to her, because she, speaking vulgarly, I told them,

she comes with me and goes there and with another person, so tell her not to do that and if not, not to come back here either. That was what I told them.

And did you start threatening or telling your family?

No, never. No, they didn't. You never warned them that you were going to do anything? Yes, I did tell my mom that this could happen, that I would tell her not to do that, that I wouldn't do that because that could happen. One day I spoke to her and I told her all that.

I called her and I spoke to her practically alone, but I gave her explanations and told her to please help me with that. I told her that if she didn't want to be with that, that I would tell her that if she didn't want to be with me, that even if she didn't want to be with me again, that she wouldn't go to my house or anything like that. And I told her what could happen and she spoke to her daughter because she told me herself and told her that if I did that, that I would go to would put me in jail. After you broke up, you received these warnings.

How did you come up with the idea of being scared?

Actually, I didn't think of it that way. I just left with a lot of anger. I did think I left with a lot of anger. I thought I could attack her, but I didn't think I would do that. I never thought I would do that. I never thought I to do that.

You told us that night you couldn't sleep, the night before the incident. How was that night? Why couldn't you sleep?

Thinking about everything she had told me. Because during those two and a half months that she was away, she always told me that she wasn't with anyone. She always told me. She told me that she wasn't with anyone. She always told me. She told me she was not with anyone, just that I should give her time.

Even on the 15th or 16th of January, she had stayed to pick up the child, and she didn't go, so she called me at noon. She told me why I didn't take them to her house. I went to her house, video what I'm saying. And that day we were there, she told me that she was not with anyone, but she told me that she did not want to be with me anymore. So that day I told her that

then I was going to start dating someone. And nothing, I saw that she changed her expression once, like her face, because during those two months she was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was me... I told her that I had to go for a walk to a neighborhood nearby. So I went out and she called me and told me that she didn't want me to be with anyone else, that I should give her time. And... I mean, those are the things that stay in your head, that you think everything will be fine, but I think she never had that option to fix things.

Why did that stay in your head?

Because she was... I was excited every time she... I mean, every time she wanted me, I would get excited and I would go back and be there with her because I still loved her. Although I already knew she was with someone else. And the day before that happened, I checked it because I gave her a cell phone and on that cell phone I had already duplicated the whatsapp then I realized everything but I already knew before and now

before that I already knew that she was dating someone and upon learning of that, did you change your plans? I didn't have a gun or anything like that, but I thought something could happen that day. But nothing happened. I was with the child, I took the child to the house and I left. I went to her neighborhood, to the Lucero. And I didn't go to her house or anything. I was very angry that day. And I was like three hours outside.

The boy was with my mom. When I got home, I sat in bed and my mom started talking to me. And she told me to leave it like that. My mom had already called her, they had already talked to my mom. She told me to leave it like that, that if things are over, don't go after it anymore.

And I told my mom that day, I told her, take me somewhere because I want to go, I have to go, I told her. And we talked for about two hours. That day I cried a lot. When I talked to my mom, I cried. I just wanted to leave.

I think that all of this was written like that because I tried to do things differently but I don't know, everything kind of locked me in this that happened now Before that happened, I had bought a video because I wanted to take my clothes off I had made a video, the child that day was in school and I made a video in my mom's house, in the courtyard, explaining to them why, and why lately, and it's how I feel right now, since then until now,

I feel that anything gives me nostalgia, like I feel like crying every now and then And that was also the case for me. So, it's like... I don't know, I miss her. As if it wasn't me.

You leave your mom's house, make that video, and what happens?

While I was making that video, my mom called me to pick up the kid because she couldn't pick him up. So I couldn't do that, I didn't do it. And being with the kid was something else. I've always loved my son a lot and I have always thought a lot about him.

How was that February 3?

I didn't sleep at all that night. I wrote her a lot of messages. I didn't even tell her why she didn't have a cell phone. I wrote them to her mother's cell phone. It was chaos. I remember it as if I had seen it, not as if I had done it.

I remember it as if they were photos. That day I didn't even talk to her, I talked to her mother. We knew she was going to go to the family welfare that day. And that's what happened, we met and started walking. I treated her badly and I told her to give me an explanation, she was quiet, she was scared. She was quiet and when we got close to the Transmilenio station,

in the park, she grabbed me from the suitcase I had and everything went out of control.

And she realized you were armed?

At that moment. And what did she do? Did she run? She... tried to run. In a similar meant you yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah Intentos alir corriendo. Yeah, yeah, me cojo un bolso de yo tenía ese Y intento entrar a un local Yeah, you know no hicieron nada nadie hizo nada tampoco

so Nico quisieron fue ruido ya no hicieron nada más y The only thing they did was make noise and that was it. After that happened, I ran out. And it's like I was saying, those moments are rare. I ran out because there were a lot of people there and I entered that gas station, the bathroom didn't even have locks I think the people who were outside didn't know that the bathroom was open I was sitting on the floor at the door but that bathroom had no locks and a boy through a window

looked out and told me what had happened and I didn't say anything, I called my mom and told her what had happened and I told her to go pick up the boy who was staying at home. What did you tell your mom? I told her, I told her mom I just f***ed with Jessica and now they are going to f*** me too. Go pick up the child that was left in the house. That's what I told her.

And her mom, what did she say?

She started screaming and I hung up.

And that boy asks her what had happened.

Yes, I told her, he told me that if I was a thief, I would say no. He told me to pass me the *** so that people don't get in, and I passed him the *** through the window and I stayed there. When the police arrived, a policeman came and told me to take off, I don't even remember what he told me. So I ran, and they came in and handcuffed me.

They took me to the police station. I ran and they entered and handcuffed me. They put me in the car.

When did you find out that your son's mother was no longer with you?

About one o'clock. They called me on the radio at the station where I was and they said that she had already passed away. I was nervous and in shock all the time. I started to cry. I was still in shock.

I couldn't believe anything that had happened. That day they sat me in a chair, and a policeman was talking to me, he gave me a glass of water and I stayed there. I didn't see the magnitude of what I had done, or I didn't even think about it. I didn't think about anything.

I had my mind blank. Then they started asking me questions. They put me in a patrol car, they left me there for two hours. Then they took me to another station. They checked me to see if the police had beaten me.

And then they took me back to Tunjuelita Station.

Did you talk to your mom again that day?

Yes, I talked to her that day. She told me not to call her again. My sister also. My sister told me to do everything possible to keep the child with them, but not to call them again.

What happens to that moment in one's life?

My life ended.

Since that day...

the things I had dreamed of, that I thought could happen, ceased to exist. That day I spent the first night at the station, in a chair, sitting and resting. The next day I transferred me to the cell where there were 30 people in a very small space where you could only sit or lie down

because there was a heavy environment. So at night they didn't sleep, and during the day they were sleeping, and that's how the night was spent there. And I think that the week that that happened, that's when I kind of woke up from that.

And that day I had spent the whole night awake. Among all those guys, most of them were consumers. And I started crying that day. I don't know how much I cried, I cried until I was left alone on a mattress where I slept.

And what happened to your son?

My son is still in a process with a psychologist. That happened on February 3rd and my son's birthday was on February 6th. And... at that moment I didn't even think about what I had done, but about the child. I thought a lot.

And... nothing, the child stayed with my sister. Is that love? Many people would say that, or on many occasions, people talk about that. About I loved her, or... What do you think? Why do these situations happen, Sterling?

Because... I think that more than love, it was already an obsession. I think that now, when I can see things more clearly, I see it that way.

How was the day you first stepped foot in jail? The day you arrived here. After being at the station,

I was in another place, which was like a district jail. And I don't know, I felt like... I felt very bad. I got there and I couldn't even sleep. They were very strict with that issue, because at 9 at night all the lights went out

and there were some TVs outside and they also turned off the TVs. So at that time almost everyone was going to bed too. And I couldn't sleep, I was isolated. And I spent the night walking through the cell where I was isolated and I was walking through the cell where I was.

This case went viral on social media and it was also very media-friendly precisely because there is a video of that moment. When you go to jail, let's say that this case was already well known. What did the people inside say to you?

Well, there are people with different opinions. There are people who have done many things, well, many things, and there are. Some even say that... I mean, they are opinions of people who are here deprived of freedom. Some absurd opinions, others say that they would never have done that. But in itself, but nobody judges anyone because there are people who have done many worse things.

You told us at the beginning of the interview that this is a space that you wanted to use to have that opportunity to ask for forgiveness.

What do you want to say to your son's mother's family?

I've always apologized to them. Since I was in the CER, the Special Reclusion Center. Since I was there, I was in a religious program, and they inculcated us to that. Or they didn't inculcate us. I always had that disposition to ask for forgiveness. I didn't do it in the hearings because

in the hearings they had suggested that I do it so that they would lower my sentence. I didn't want that. I wanted to be condemned for what I had done. And that's why I didn't tell her in that space. Through the people who were doing that program,

I don't remember the name right now, I made a letter, which they made her family receive. Where I asked them for forgiveness, and I think that my life won't be enough to ask for forgiveness. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. I'm it. Regardless of the things I would like to do, because here you feel very suffocated with the fact, not even because you are locked up, but with the fact of remembering her and the child every day. With just that I have to pay that sentence.

Sterling, you told us before we started recording that at some point you were able to call your ex-mother-in-law, your son's mother. How was that call?

I called her several times. One day I called her, I think it was midnight or before midnight, and I told her to forgive me, that I was very sorry. Since I've been here I've always said that I don't want to do this, because I see that this of this is worth it. I haven't done anything to not cause my son any pain, but it's not worth it to be here, really.

And I told her that, I told her to forgive me, that I loved Jessica a lot, they knew that. I was not ashamed of the fact that I was still alive and my daughter was not. I told her many things and she only listened to me. She never hung up until I finished everything.

I was the one who hung up the phone until I finished everything. I was the one who hung up. And does your son understand the situation? Does he know that you are here, free?

Yes, yes, the child knows.

And have you talked about the issue?

I mean, we have talked about the fact that I am here, but we didn't talk about my mom. The boy knows what I did, and we had a conversation with him, which was at the beginning of all this. The boy told me that he forgave me, that he knew that all this was very bad and from that day we never touched that topic again. Sterling, what do you say to the person who is watching this video, that maybe he became part of the landscape of attacking his partner, hurting him, or for that woman who is being a victim of this? What message do you have for them?

I would like to tell men to normalize these situations. That this is normal and that we are not the owners of our partners. That they also think about them. I think it's better to end a relationship like that. What reflection did all this leave you with? I think it's better to end a relationship like that.

I think it's better to end a relationship like that.

I think it's better to end a relationship like that. I think it's better to end a relationship like that. I think it's better to end a relationship like this. What reflection did all this leave you? Reflection? I don't know. But I think a lot that this should never have happened. That I should never have thought that I was like the owner of her.

I had to value her, respect her. And if we had already gone through so many problems and we were still together, then things must have changed in something.

Sterling, do you think that the liquor factor affected that situation?

Yes, it did. Yes, it affected a lot.

Well, Sterling, thank you for this space, for telling us your version of the facts. And we thank all of you for joining us until the end of this episode. Don't forget to subscribe and also leave comments, always with respect. Don't forget to subscribe and also leave comments, always with respect. See you in the next episode.