Când VIAȚA te întoarce pe DOS… Codruța Filip spune TOT despre DIVORȚ

Everything was a lie. That's it.

The whole relationship?

That's what I discovered at that moment, yes. Everything I lived in those years wasn't real. You know, they say love is a web. And that's exactly how it was. It was a web. I found out more than I can tell.

And I can tell a lot.

Do you want to say that during this whole time you were lying? Yes. Have you had moments when you didn't want to say anything, but you chose to keep quiet all this time?

Yes.

Yes.

There were many moments when I wanted to scream. Do you think there's still a chance for you to make amends?

No.

These are things you can't live without. And you can't live with them. No matter how much you loved a man. I say with all my heart that I never wronged him, not even with a glance. I loved him so much. But could he have done something to change your mind?

No. I say with all my heart that no.

What do you think you didn't have?

I don't know if it's about me. Sometimes you think that life is a movie.

Is it like that with you?

Yes. Unfortunately, yes. I wouldn't have believed that I would ever say this, but yes. After I signed the divorce, I felt like I was dying. I got in the car and I was in pain. I was in pain for an hour, and I was waiting for an hour. And I was waiting for an hour, and I was waiting for an hour. He denied that you were going to get divorced.

And now I'm asking you, is it normal for you to do this? Considering that we signed a divorce on March 2nd, how can you say that you don't know about any breakup? My soul cried a lot, and it still cries. You're crying because you still love him? I cry because it's hard for me. It's hard for me.

And I don't know how to get over these moments.

Is this separation forever?

It's forever. Forever, forever? Whatever happens?

Whatever tells you that what you know is not what you know?

Whatever happens.

Hello, good people, and welcome to the podcast at home. This time I have Codruța with me. Codruța Filip. Yes. I would have liked this podcast to be with Valentin, because at one point we were talking about doing a podcast together. But we didn't.

Yes, it's not the case anymore. Unfortunately, I would have loved to do things differently, but life is always surprising. And you go through stages that you might not have expected. First of all, tell us how you are during this period. I'm not necessarily good, and I could not say that I know how to handle the situation. It's very hard for me, and I get emotional get emotional even now, when I talk to you,

because somehow my emotional state is not...

It's not the best.

It's not the best, yes.

It's normal, you know, you went through a divorce after 7 years of marriage. 7 years were?

5 years of marriage, 5 years since I said yes, and another 2 years. 7 years of relationship, right? Yes, 7 years of marriage, 5 years of saying yes, and 2 more years. 7 years of relationship. And 3 years of saying yes to God. I read your statement in the press, that you got divorced. If you want to tell us how that statement came about, because it came out so suddenly,

without being like it is today, two people who decide to separate, to make a common statement, to put it on their socializing accounts, to tell people, we didn't think of separating, we're not the first or the last,

why did everything seem so... so sudden, it seemed like a volcano. The thing is that, before we sign the divorce papers, like a volcano. But I still thought it was important, because we had, we like it or not, a public relationship. In which we maybe told each other important moments from our lives. And of course, it wasn't necessary to tell each other personal details about our lives. I've never done this before, to expose the intimacy of Thalia in our personal life. But it seemed natural to make a statement, both of us, through which to say that we chose to follow separate paths.

That's how I found it beautiful, in respect to those who followed us, throughout this period and all these years. We didn't do it because Valentin didn't agree.

Why?

Because he thought that we shouldn't give explanations to anyone.

Because it's your life.

And we shouldn't either, as I said, give explanations regarding the existing problems in our family, or related to what didn't work out, maybe. But, after the statement you gave in Can Can, the first time your statement appeared in Can Can. It was also a statement of his, at a very short time,

in which he said he didn't understand what happened,

that it's not true, that things don't work that way.

I'll be very honest with you and I'll tell you exactly what I experienced when I gave that statement, and how I made the decision to do this. We separated at the beginning of the year. We filed our divorce papers at the beginning of February. At the notary.

Later, we signed them on the 2nd of March. The thing is that, because it seemed normal to me to say we were in a relationship, because there were two of us in this wedding, it wasn't just me, somehow I didn't know how to proceed. I mean, I did everything I could.

I didn't wear the wedding ring, starting with two martyrs, I changed my name from all the social media from Sanfira Filip to Filip, but I thought... I think the people from Can Can noticed that when they heard you. But I thought it was a bit... I think the people from CanCan noticed that too. I didn't feel good to say it, just me. I felt like a stranger to give this statement by myself.

But when I received this phone call, my first reaction was to close. I didn't know what to do. Good day, we are from Cancan.

You closed the show.

Yes. That was my first reaction. I stayed a bit, I thought about it and I said I can't do this anymore. I can't keep this inside of me. Because I felt there was a lot of pressure on me. And there were already a lot of speculations.

And everyone was congratulating us for the beautiful family we have, for how well we understand each other, for being an example, because that's how we were seen, and I felt like I couldn't do it anymore, mentally, and I wanted to say it. And then, when I received a message on WhatsApp, where someone asked me if I could talk for 5 minutes, I said yes.

And when he called me, I said yes. We made a mutual agreement, we're going separate ways, with mutual respect. That's exactly what I said.

Here is your notary's declaration.

Yes, it's the divorce certificate. It's the divorce certificate from March 2nd, 2026. With this certificate, which Valentin also has, he denied that you were going to get divorced. And now I ask you, is it normal to proceed like this? Considering that we signed a divorce on March 2nd, how can you say that you don't know about any divorce? Here it says, the names after the divorce. The former-wife Sanfira, the ex-wife Filip,

and it's signed in front of the notary. Because it was a decision you made, as a common agreement, to sign it to the notary, so you don't end up in court. Yes. The thing is that I didn't understand his decision, and I didn't understand the reaction, totally unassumed if you ask me, and having in mind that this was the truth.

But when did the relationship break? Or why did it break? Or why couldn't it continue?

We know, questions come one after the other. Let's break it. To be honest, I would have never imagined that I would ever get in a situation where someone would ask me why I broke up, or why I divorced. I never thought this would ever happen to me.

And it hurts me a lot because I really wanted to have a family, and to function until the end, until I reach puberty. Unfortunately, it wasn't. And to answer you, it was because I noticed when I came back that everything I lived

in those years, wasn't real.

Everything you lived in those years wasn't real? You didn't feel loved? You didn't feel protected? You didn't feel respected?

I'll just say that everything was a lie. That's all. The whole relationship? I discovered that at that moment, yes. You know, there are people who... And I found out again, forgive me for interrupting you, I found out that I was the only one who was going through it.

And the only one who wanted things to have a beautiful and straight path.

You know what I want to ask you? Often, in family discussions, couldn't you fix it? Couldn't you get over it? Or he could get over it? Or he didn't have to get over it?

The problem is that some things can't be fixed. And I was the one who didn't want to go over it. You didn't want to go over it? I couldn't go over it. You didn't want to go over it because it was something that had been going on for a long time? Or because you didn't want to go over it because when you found out, it was hard to get over it?

Yes, simply because when I found out certain things, I considered that I couldn't live like that.

And you had a discussion about this?

Yes.

And?

And the disappointment was the same, because there couldn't be another.

He didn't try to fight for a relationship?

He tried a few times. To ask me if we couldn't give each other a chance, if we couldn't fix something, if we can't talk about something. And yes, I was the one who said every time that I want to talk and that I want certain explanations. Maybe even if we don't reach a consensus and maybe the family won't exist anymore,

at least I want and I need him to be honest with me. And his answers were that it's simple. If you love me, come home, we'll start over and move on.

But you can't start over because...

How can you start over when you don't have any answers? And when you're still living in uncertainty. You know what I want to ask you? Where do you feel your relationship broke? I don't know. The problem is that I loved with all my heart. I'm And I gave my all. I always saw him first. I always put him first. I don't know how it looked from the outside. I have no idea. I can only say what I felt and what I offered. And I put my soul on the table in every moment of the relationship, you know. Is it related to your participation at the Desafio? Because there were all kinds of speculations, the gentleman left the Desafio,

there, who knows, maybe he changed, another man came, since he came back from the show. Yes, it is related to what concerns the fact that when I came back from the competition, I found the situation totally changed. And he was a totally different man.

But this situation was totally different before and you didn't see it?

I don't know how to tell you. I loved him so much. And when you love, you know, they say love is a web. And that's how it was. It was a web. Yes, it's a situation like that, because I realized that this divorce was a sudden decision, and it was a sudden decision because you couldn't get over certain things, and because you couldn't forgive certain things.

Yes, exactly as I told you, you can't get over certain things. And for certain problems there's no solution. Because I've been very understanding during the years, and I've tried to be as okay as I could be, because we have to admit that in every family there are arguments and arguments, and it's natural for that to happen. But...

Here I was more... Up to a point. You know what I wanted to ask you? How was that moment when you said, «That's it!»? Was it a moment when you found out more

than you thought you could find out about the relationship you were in? Yes, I found out more than I could go. And I can go a lot. I'm generally a strong person. But you know, now...

I don't know. This situation has destabilized me a bit, and I feel like... I don't know how to handle everything that happens. And I try to... I try to be strong, and that's more for my parents.

What did they say?

Because you come into a family with married parents, how old are they? My parents got married when I was 31.

What did they say?

I know they were very close to Valentin. Yes, and they always considered him as their own child. And maybe in some ways they offered him even more love than we did. It's precisely out of the desire to be good and to have that chemistry, that I saw in Amy. They are 31 years old,

they didn't come to tell me that they like me, that they didn't get along with me, but they managed to get through the moments. Yes, until they found out what it was about. And they couldn't advise you?

No. Well, yes, they advised me. And they were with me and told me that I had to go further. Alone? Because I know you have a very close relationship with your parents

and I think you can talk to them about absolutely anything.

Absolutely anything. Did they support you during this period? They were my biggest support. And it hurts me a lot because... I'm not talking about myself, but... my deepest suffering

is the fact that they are going through this period and... It hurts me a lot because my father got sick.

I know, it's a sad story because...

it's not easy for a parent, maybe when they go through certain problems, to hold on to their child. Yes, and somehow with my mother I talk more because she exteriorizes more than my father. And I know how much she suffers and how much she doesn't sleep at night. But my father is much more internalized. And because he doesn't necessarily say what he feels or what he has in his soul, somehow he has some health problems, but he also has some problems with his heart.

And if we didn't go to the hospital in time, he would have had a vascular accident or a heart attack. And now he's under treatment.

And all these things caused by what you said?

Yes, by the situation itself, because dad always said that he talks little, he doesn't talk much. But he always says that he doesn't believe that this will happen to us in the family, and that his only child, his only daughter, will go through such hard times. Yes, but his daughter is strong and she will succeed, she will go further. Yes, I have to admit that at the moment, I don't know, I feel like I can't find that solution. You probably need time.

And at the same time, you have to think that before you met Valentin, you were doing the same thing.

Yes, and it hurts me a lot. It hurts me a lot to see... Basically, I didn't come to your podcast to find peace or... Because I won't find it. Regardless of the situation and regardless of what people say or not. But I came because I don't think it's right. And I'm very disappointed that...

The man I've lived with for 7 years and I I gave everything I had and who I dedicated myself to, he didn't consider it a word to say that we broke up and that we're going separate ways and that I didn't make a mistake. I didn't do anything wrong. He told me this at a table discussion. He knows I never did anything wrong to him. And I was not loyal, extremely loyal. And I'm fasting, and I'm always fasting, like every year.

Just like I learned from my grandmother.

And I say with all my heart and soul that I never mistook him, not even with a simple look. And I loved him so much, I loved him so much. And I kept to him as I knew him better. And now, the fact that he allows himself to understand and create certain things about me, about the woman he knows so well and who has been with him in perhaps the hardest moments of his life, is very painful. Very painful.

Because he continues to post photos where he has the the ring on his finger.

It's a relationship that only goes through some turbulence.

And it's not like that. And it's a relationship that didn't actually end with a notary act, but this is the divorce certificate, unfortunately. And things are different. You know what the situation is? For me, marriage is not a game.

The moment I said yes, I said it with all my heart. And the moment I stepped into the church, I don't know, something magical happened there. For me, marriage is sacred. I don't think you can swear with something like that. It's a promise you make for the rest of your life.

And you have to fulfill it. You have to make things work. And be faithful. After all, it's something you do and you promise to God. Do you feel like people made a wrong decision about you without knowing the truth? Yes, and you know what hurts me as much?

That people judge you without knowing the situation and how things are actually going. And the most painful thing is that 90% of the hate I get lately, because that's the truth, comes from women. From women, I get hate towards another woman. I don't know anything about her. I only know what we showed on TV, maybe in good times, maybe in times when, even though our souls were crying,

we should have been happy, or we didn't know. I mean, and… I think it's not… Valentin is a man who looks good, he sings popular music, he has a group of people who follow him,

and at the same time, maybe it's hard for the people who follow him to believe at the same time, maybe, the people who follow him, it's hard for them to believe that he made a mistake in this relationship. And then, people, because they sympathize with him, say that he certainly made a mistake. She's beautiful, she's young,

she certainly did her job.

How can you affirm these things if you don't know what happened in people's house? And you don't know what really happened in a family. You know how it is, the world is always a big mouth and it's very hard to cover it. Yes, and the fact that the majority of people online say that it's because of him that I am what I am today, it's a contradiction. I worked a lot, a lot.

That's what I was saying, you met him in the set at Teo, you came to sing and he was singing. You were singing when you met him. You were an artist. The thing is that in that period, in 2018, I was still living in Iasi, because I was taking the master's courses in European Law, from the Law Faculty, which was also part of the Alexandru Ioncu-Zadimias University. And then I could only come occasionally to Bucharest to promote various projects, songs and so on.

Somehow, indeed, music may not necessarily have been a priority at that time. But you did it. But I did it and I didn't give up for a second. And I've said many times that music was the only constant in my life. I did a lot of things and I was involved in a lot of projects, activities. I've always liked to be an extremely active person.

But it was normal for it to happen like that, because I had to finish some studies. And there was one more thing. It was normal for him to be more known, because he is older than 6 years. He was 6 years older than me. And I think he prioritized music over acting. And he prioritized music, because he probably did.

But, still young. But we met on a TV set. It was clear that I was working in that direction.

Did he approach you then?

Yes, yes. In the back. In the backstage. Yes, yes. Before the show started, he came on the last 100 meters, because he was late. He introduced himself, we got to know each other. I wasn't very attentive, because I was on the phone, I was sending a message or something.

And then we got on the set and a new discussion started. And from there…

After three months, you realized that there might be something between you.

Was all this beautiful? From my point of view... I mean, that's what I thought. Because you know what happens? You tend to see...

You mean you want to say that all this time you've been lying?

Yes.

Yes.

And you know how it is. When you love a lot, you tend to see only the good moments. You don't see the bad ones.

And you believed in the relationship and you went further.

Yes, I fought with everything I had for this relationship to work. But you want to become parents, right? With everything I had. I wanted a lot of children. A lot of kids. And if things were going extremely well, and if my soul was telling me 100% that it's okay to do this, I would do it. And I had 3 kids until now. Because I really want to become a mother.

And you felt at some point that... I didn't feel that it was the case. But you had other discussions that probably led to the breakup of the relationship even before the divorce was pronounced. Yes, we had discussions.

We had discussions, yes. Yes, there were discussions. Over which I passed. To some extent or another, because, I repeat, when you believe so much in the man next to you and you think it's the best thing that's ever happened to you,

and you always tend to thank God for what happened to you... You go through it. No, how can I say this? You go through it. But you do everything that's important to you... to make be ok. And we have a thing, because I don't know the truth.

I see. It was something that really hurt you and you realized you can't continue this relationship. No. I mean, no matter what problems I had in the household and so on, I never thought of any question about the situation that exists now. I mean, no. You know, I agreed and you wanted to talk about it on the podcast, there are things that, where you feel you want to say, you say, where you feel you don't want to say, you don't say.

It's important that people understand things that may seem strange to them. When people say, you know, I saw you on February 14th at the Palace Hall together, you were such a beautiful family, but you actually signed the papers for the notary. Yes. So why did you play this play?

I didn't play this play, not even for a second. You know, you received this kind of message. Of course. Sure. I even posted it. On February 2nd, you signed the papers at the notary office. Which means that in 30 days, you were also awarded the marriage certificate. The divorce certificate was signed at the notary office. Which means that you were divorced when you were on that stage at the Palace.

Yes, that's right. And I also posted a video on social media, because he asked me to promote the concert. And I'll tell you why I did it. Initially, I told him that I can't go to the concert. The relationship was broken. The relationship was broken and I couldn't see the reason why I would perform at this concert,

because the title was «When two hearts unite. And it was us two on the poster. Him, obviously, because it was his concert, and immediately after me. Because it was about a concert that was going to take place on the 14th of February, the Day of Love. And then it was basically our love story. And then I said, if we are not together anymore,

and I decided that our paths are parting, how could I come? As what? And he told me that I should see it as a strictly professional thing, that we are artists and we have the duty to do this, and that I will come as an artist, just like the other guests.

But for the people in the audience, you were also her husband. I know. I told myself that, and at some point I remembered that he told me that I wanted to hurt him, that I didn't want to come. And I said, ok. If you think so, even if I didn't deserve to go,

because my soul was destroyed, broken, in pieces, I said ok, to understand that I don't want to hurt you, with all that happened, and with all the things that I've been through. Because I'm on the ground right now, I'm going to come. So you don't say I'm a bad person. I'll stay a good person until the end.

And I've been through a lot, but you don't want to know how it was. So... I told them once that I don't want to play theater, that I can't play theater, and the audience saw it. There were messages that seemed to be something else.

They saw the distance between us, which was pretty obvious, if they had seen us before. And then I went to the concert. Believe me, it was so hard for me, and it broke my heart so much, I don't even know how I managed to get to the final moment. Because during the song, I felt so bad that I started vomiting.

I thought I wouldn't be able to get to the final. Because you were there to show him that you don't want to ruin his show and that you're a good man,

but your soul was still there and you wanted to go further.

My soul was crying. While I was singing the songs, I was screaming inside. I wasn't ok, because there were two love songs I had to sing. Through which I was saying how much we love each other and how beautiful love is. And what feelings we live apart. And we were in a situation... It wasn't easy at all.

As proof that immediately after a moment we left. We couldn't stay. That was a moment that maybe people understood differently and said, look, you were together on February 14th, but you already had the divorce papers, the notary, introduced, and you were just waiting for the 30 days to pass.

And you went again to do this thing for him.

Yes.

At the same time, when you came back from Desafio, people said you were a bit cold with him. He came and waited for you with a scarf, with flowers, at the airport. You were a bit cold. I don't know how cold I was, or now it depends on how I see people from outside.

There were a lot of people. There was my family, his mother, his brothers, his cousins, his nephews. I had to share somehow. But before I came home to the airport, we had a discussion. When I left the competition, I received his phone and I could talk on video call with him. And he was very stressed, because he was in the middle of a national tournament.

And somehow, we had a little argument, a little discussion that bothered me a lot, because I thought he didn't care about the moments I went through there. And they weren't easy at all. Not at all. Although it was a very beautiful and unique experience, it wasn't easy.

And I was expecting...

It's not easy to stay away from your parents' house,

to be the test that isn't easy.

And I was expecting that after a month and a half in which we could only communicate through a 5-minute video call, to receive more empathy from my husband.

And that's why when you came back, you were somehow cold, because there was a conversation between you, you saw each other on video, and... there were all kinds of discussions.

Yes, indeed. Through the intermediary he told me that it was my decision, that I wanted to leave and to assume that this is it and... But he always thought that he supported you to go to this show. Yes, he was in agreement. He was the first person I asked if it's good to leave or not.

When I received the phone call to go to this competition, I was extremely reluctant. Because after I found out that it's a period of a year and a half, in the conditions in which I, and the moment I go to an event abroad, I don't stay overnight, I do everything... I do it in such a way that...

A big effort, I mean... ...to come home immediately after I finish singing, because I like being home, to have a coffee at home. It's not Valentine's Day. It's not. It's been a long time. I mean, it's been a long time since I left home. I'm very attached to my family, of course, to him, first of all,

and to my home, to the land. That's how I am. And that's why I would never leave abroad or move somewhere else. And then I called him, maybe in my soul I thought that he might say no, that I shouldn't leave. And if he said no at that moment, I, with my hand on my heart, would say that I wasn't leaving. And I didn't need him to say it twice.

But he agreed. And he said, if you're a sporty girl, if you like it, calm down, it's ok.

On one hand, you know how it is. He said, let's encourage you, so you can develop, and not to be like me, holding you without letting you evolve. I think, you know? But in fact, maybe it was better when you were gone.

Maybe. And now, I read all kinds of news, God, what's happening? You stayed home, Valentin left, how are you now? Are you still together? I was the one who left home.

Now you're not together anymore? From the beginning of the year, we're live together since the beginning of the year. Because right after I came back from the competition and I...

You evaluated your relationship?

I clarified some things and I discovered some things.

I left.

But wasn't your house in Dărura?

Valentin was buying it beforehand. It was named after his house. Of course, I worked a lot in that house, because in seven years... Yes, it was your house. It's obvious that you invest and so on.

But there are moments in life when the material things are in the last place.

Sure.

You don't need anything else. If you don't have inner peace, it's like you have nothing. Everyone else is leaving. I don't care about anything. I'm not interested in leaving with just my clothes.

I'm not interested in anything.

I wanted to say that you stay here until we solve problems and then we'll see how we'll arrange it.

That's what I needed. Did you go to the hospital and take everything?

Yes.

Did you put it in the car and leave?

Yes.

Everything?

Yes, everything.

Did you leave all the memories? Did you take the pictures with you?

No.

Only the clothes? Only the memories. Did you take the pictures with you? No. Only the clothes? Only the clothes. And where did you move?

Now? Yes. In an apartment. With a rent. And I also bought a new car. Well, and the old car? It stayed with him. You wanted to leave, to leave everything behind, because you didn't want to do anything else, from what you had signed as a relationship?

There were some discussions I didn't want to get into. All I can say is that the car I was driving was his car, the car I decided to buy, because this is how I am, ambitious, and I want my work to be reflected in one way or another, and to feel that I don't waste my time. I decided to pay for everything I use,

the bills, everything. And there was a discussion, through the media, that the car shouldn't have to reach me, even with all this. And then I decided that, ok, I'll deal with it.

Who was there in this whole period, besides your family?

Besides my parents, there were cousins, with whom I didn't have such a close relationship lately, for various reasons. There were friends, which I can count on the fingers of one hand,

but authentic, sincere friends, who showed their loyalty and love now, in the most difficult moments. There were also people who disappointed me. There were people who disappointed me. There were people who disappointed me. And people who were very close to me.

But at the same time, there were also acquaintances, or people I met only once, and who thought about spending time sending me a message through means that I was told to be strong. Or that I shouldn't give up on anything in life, and that it's not as easy as it seems.

And if God gives people certain difficult things in life, to bring them means that he can bring them, and that they are strong. And this mattered a lot to me.

You know, after a divorce, after a very strong loss, you need a specialist. Have you thought about going to a therapist? Have you thought about going somewhere to find a solution? To a spiritualist?

I don't know, tell me, something that you like from the bottom of your heart. I will tell you that I always found calm in the church, in the faith. I am an extremely faithful person because this is how my grandparents taught me, and my parents, but especially I learned a lot from my grandmother. God forgive her, she is no longer among us. And I grew up with certain values and principles that I never let go of, no matter what the situation was.

And not only now, you know I always went to God and asked for help when I felt the need, and especially with the presence now. And I got up and said to myself, but, all at once, yes, I am a very strong person, in general, very strong. And I faced the hardship in life, many times. I've been through similar situations, in 2020, you know what I'm talking about.

I defended myself, I fought against the world, and it wasn't easy for me. Maybe it was an experience that marked me. But maybe it also made me feel bad. But not enough, I got to go through something hard again. But now I felt that I couldn't go on. I didn't know how to manage all this and everything that was happening. I woke up one morning, about three weeks ago,

and I looked at myself in the mirror and I said to myself, I can't do this anymore. No matter how much people around me told me that I'll be fine, that I'm strong and that they didn't know such a strong man, I felt like I couldn't go on and that they were taking me by the hand. And that my heart was breaking and I didn't know how to gather it.

And I called them, because I received contacts from many friends, from psychologists, therapists and so on. I called them, I called the first therapist I found on the contact list, I made the schedule and left. Alone. Because I felt that I didn't...

That you had to talk.

That I had to talk and that I needed help.

Did you have moments when you didn't want to say everything out loud, but you chose to keep quiet during this period? Yes. Yes. There were many moments when you didn't want to say anything, but you chose to keep quiet during this period?

Yes.

Yes. There were many moments when I wanted to scream. And say, this is not true, the truth is different. I say, no, I loved him with all my heart, and I was extremely devout, like every time.

And this, and out of respect for the people who raised me, out of respect for him, out of respect for everything that the family represented in which I grew up as a person, but also out of respect for myself.

Never, never in this life I could do something that would go against my principles, with which I grew up.

I mean, did you feel that during this time you were put in a wrong light?

Yes. I grew up with. So you felt like you were put in a wrong light? Yes. And I don't think it's right that the man I've been with for 7 years, 5 years of marriage, 7 years of relationships, to not say anything. And to let something like this happen.

You mean you expected people to react to you, to say, hey? Yes, just to say something. To say anything. And why do you think they didn't? Because if you claim that you loved me, even though...

I don't see love.

Why don't you say something? And let the woman you lived with be treated like that? Or let such things happen? Why don't you think they said it? I don't know. Because there were people who, just like you said earlier, judged you without knowing you.

And they judged you wrong. You stayed with him to affirm yourself. Even though you knew each other for a long time. I don't know how long I've worked with him. You stayed with him to feel good and to have financial possibilities. Yes, because I stayed with him to feel good and to have financial possibilities. Yes, because I was living with him to feel good and to have financial possibilities. I was only going out with my clothes, just asking.

And I was living in a rent-a-car now. And that was the decision you made. And I was paying for it, I was buying a car, I was paying for it in installments. You know what the problem is? I don't even think about it. I've always worked for what I am and what I have. And I will continue to work without giving up.

Because that's how I am. An ambitious and determined worker. And that's how I was taught to be. But wasn't that your goal? To achieve something? The fact that thanks to him I have reached who I am is true. We supported each other because that's what happens in a family. At least that's what I thought, that we support each other. Now I don't know what to say.

I saw it that way, and from the outside it was obvious. Because when you had something to launch, I remember when we were on the show, you came together and supported each other. When he had something to launch, you went and supported him.

I remember when he had the accident on vacation, I never saw a man who was crying and suffering I've never seen a man cry and suffer like you did in that period, because he went through what he went through. And it seemed normal to me. I said, God, how important it is to have such a man by your side.

Because you were there, and because you were in the hospital with him, and because you were destroyed, I remember. You know, these are things that things I experienced, knowing you. I can't not mention these things. Because you were a man who, I think, at that time, gave you anything to make him feel good.

Yes. The thing is, even then, it was one of the most difficult moments he went through. That's what he told me and that's what I felt. And for me, it was the same. He was at a crossroads and he lost his life.

I felt the same things as he did. And I was there day and night, every second. I spent two weeks in the hospital's hall and I cried. I asked the doctor to operate him, because he knew the story, because they didn't want to. I cried at the door.

I cried at the door and I asked to be listened to and to be treated well. I was there. After I came home, Ilui's family was there, of course, my parents were there, who did everything they could to be with us. What can I say? I don't know. You know what I want to ask you, because you said your parents, I remember...

But these are normal things, I mean, I did them from the bottom of my heart. And because it was normal for this to happen. Now I don't know if they were appreciated or not, but I did them from the bottom of my heart, and I don't regret if they were as much appreciated or not, but I did it with all my heart and I don't regret anything I did. I remember when Valentin, I think at a show, said that he never felt so loved and respected as he felt every time he came to your house, to your parents. My parents really wanted a boy. I told them that my mother had an ulcer a few years ago. And it wasn't a boy. And then, of course, Valentin was divinized.

They loved him a lot.

Did they talk to him during this time?

A lot. No. And no one talked to him? No, no. No. And neither did I talk to him.

Neither did his parents call you? No.

And neither did he call your parents? And neither did your parents call him? And neither did his parents call you? No. Because it's a situation of such nature that there are no more things that need to be discussed. You know what I want to ask you? What do you think you've lost beyond the relationship you've had?

I don't know what to answer to this question because…

Do you think that a time you've lost has passed and it could have been different?

I've lived everything that happened to you during this time. And I loved like I never loved before. I was an extremely honest man. And I put all my feelings on the table, all my soul, I gave it all. Now, I don't know what to tell you.

Did you feel unjustified? Now, I don't know what to say.

Did you feel unfair? Yes, yes. I felt unfair.

Because I don't think what happened was right. Do you feel like you've cried more in the last period because of love or disappointment? I think both. Disappointment is big. I can tell you... that it's the disappointment of my life.

And I said that in a message. In a message through which I answered him.

That night, he wrote to me and thanked me for knowing how hard it was for me to go to the show, and I told him that I'm glad that it's a reality for him and that it's a great joy. I hope it's good for him and that he helps you a lot. I hope he makes you happy with everything that happened, but for me, everything is a disappointment. Everything represents a disappointment in my life. You didn't get together again?

No.

And did my wife introduce you on stage?

No.

But you hugged each other, as if you were a couple, as if you were... He came at some point, after I had sung the two songs by myself, after I had a moment with Gabriel Dorobantsu, we made a trio and we sang Let's go back to our little garage, and after… or not before, no, I'm confusing, not before we had that moment. Yes, yes, yes. After I finished singing those two songs,

Valentina came with a bouquet of flowers, which she gave me. I didn't know at that moment that this was going to happen, or that I was going to do this. I was getting the applause, and I thanked the people in the audience for their beautiful reaction.

It was a surprising moment, but I couldn't play in the theater. At least I couldn't. We hugged each other, because it was normal and beautiful. But not as if nothing had happened. If nothing had happened, you would probably have approached it differently on stage. Of course. But people know us.

They saw us in so many ways that it's impossible not to notice all this coldness between us. We were very loving towards each other, in general. And you didn't want to show it. We didn't want to show it, but now, being in such a situation... What did you appreciate the most about him? I don't even know what to tell him, this question, to believe me.

Because it seems to me that it wasn't real. No, it wasn't real. And then it seems to me that everything I believed in at some point, actually got ruined and doesn't exist anymore. And then... I don't know.

If you could go back in time, are there things you would do differently?

Yes. I try to... Even after I became a psychologist, I try not to take this experience as a punishment. Because for a long time I've been asking myself why this happens to me. I don't know if I've ever made a mistake with someone in my life. Maybe I didn't realize it, maybe it was involuntary.

I don't know if I've ever made someone cry. And I don't understand why I go through something like this. And then the therapist told me that it's not necessarily a punishment. Maybe it's a life lesson that you have to learn. And maybe you have to get what you need from there. And yes, I think I was too naive and too open.

And too credulous. But I'll tell you why. Because my parents taught me since I was a kid that I have to give people a chance. To give everyone a first chance, no matter what. And somehow I grew up with this idea

that the world around me is good, that there can't be anyone as bad as they think and act in some way, or… I had no idea.

Look, I'm asking you something. If he were here in front of you, what would you say?

That he's not right, the way he acted. That he's not right. Compared to the man I thought would be with her for a lifetime. And that she had to be honest. Did this experience change you as a man, as a woman?

Yes.

And probably my transformation doesn't stop here. I think I'll be a different person from all points of view. I just hope that… I hope that you don't lose your good energy. Yes, I hope so too. But I don't know. At this moment I don't know what to tell you,

because I feel it and I don't know how it will be. And I don't see necessarily a solution for everything that happened. But time will solve everything. Did you learn things about yourself during this period? Yes, of course. You know, I learned, despite all the things, that I'm a strong man.

But I don't know, maybe not so strong that I can see the people around me who I love so much, suffering. It hurts me so much, everything that happens to my parents. It hurts me so sorry they're suffering. And I wouldn't want them to go through something like this, not even 5%. Look, and one more thing.

This period was very hard for me. So many things happened. Divorce. I know you lost your grandfather. I remember, from the show, that he was a very important person for you. And if I'm not mistaken, you were at Iasi for a short while.

Because you lost him, I think, a month and a half ago. Yes, I loved my grandfather a lot. A lot. He was one of the people who raised me since I was a child, with my grandmother, of course. And I suffered a lot. And the fact that...

The fact that at one point I felt that I can't cry for him as much as I would have liked to, because I lost one of my dearest people in my soul. Because everything was kind of a bridge, you know? Between what was happening on the other side. And even if I was there, somehow my mind was thinking about the other side, you know? And I thought it was not right.

It's not right, because my grandfather was like an icon for me, and I adored him, and I loved him so much, and he represented my support in life, you know? Since I was born.

And I didn't think it was right. And you had the impression that you were there and that you couldn't be there for that moment, and that you were thinking the other way around. Yes. Because you were going through a problem too.

Yes.

But I recently dreamed about him. I recently dreamed about him and, I don't know, at least, God forbid, I don't remember if my grandfather ever told me that he loves me. I don't know if he ever said that. But one night I dreamed about him and he told me, he told me about 5-6 times in a row,

looking at me with those very blue eyes, that he loves me. And you felt that you needed help. I think so, yes. I think that somewhere in my subconscious or inside of me I was calling him.

But Valentina, during this time, going through this moment, knowing what your grandfather meant to you,

does he send you any more messages? Does he send you any more thoughts? Yes, Valentina came to my grandfather's funeral. Before you got divorced? No. Before we got divorced, but I already had the divorce papers. And he messaged me when he found out that he has some events, but after he's done with them, he would what to say. I thought that it's not the best context, but on the other hand I thought that if he wants to come, what to say, because... I don't know, I don't want to imagine that maybe it was just for the image, I don't know.

I don't know if I really felt the sincerity.

But now, when you look at the pictures with Valentin, do you still have pictures of him on your phone? Yes, I haven't deleted them yet.

When you look at the pictures with you, what do you think?

I'm still in school, it's normal. I'm 7 years old, still. You know, this should have been one of the first questions. Do you think there's a chance you'll make up? No.

There's no chance we'll make up, because, as I said at the beginning of the podcast, there are things you can't live without. And you can't live with them. No matter how much you wanted, and how much you loved a man, you can't. I The head's consciousness, the calmness that you did the job, that you have to do. I'm a man who doesn't give up easily.

Not that he doesn't give up easily. He doesn't give up, in general. And he's a person who really cares about the people around him, especially the people he cares about a lot. I don't give up on things, in general.

You fight.

I fight until the end, and I fight with everything I have, my best, and with all my power to be good. But the moment you reach a point where it doesn't depend on you anymore, and it's not about you... You can't go any further. You have to put an end to it.

Are you afraid of trusting someone else?

This thing with trust is... I don't know what to say about this right now, but I've been thinking about this question a lot. Will I trust people again? I don't think so. I don't know. Maybe in time. Maybe time will solve it. Are you afraid to say, let it be good, in a year or two I'll love again and I'll be happy? I can't think about that now. And I don't see it, I don't know.

This thought is far from me right now. All I want now is to find the power, to find my peace. Because... Far from me is a bad thing that happens to the loved ones. And a bad thing that I don't want. Yes, from now on, when you're a young, beautiful, talented girl,

how are you going to start a relationship?

Do you know what you want?

No.

Do you know what you want more clearly? No. Do you know more clearly what you can't accept?

I know clearly what I can't accept. The thing is that I always know what I can't get over. And I even made a statement at some point. And people know that all this has been very viral. I made a statement that I can't go over infidelity and domestic violence. And that's how it is.

And I said it with a lot of conviction. I have to ask you. Is it about domestic violence? So that they don't misunderstand.

The part about infidelity remains.

But not from your side. The part with infidelity remains. But not on your side.

Never. Never would I be able to do something like that.

And the subject doesn't open it more because... Listen, Caterina... Because you don't want to hurt or... Never, never I will not discuss the intimacy of our lives, our personal problems. They are ours and they will remain so.

But, because I found it ugly that he couldn't be as assumed and at least at least to do things in such a way

that they are right. And not to leave him, as the person he's been with for so long, to be judged wrong. You can't say you loved a man so much and do this.

Why didn't you just tell him on the phone? So, can you see what people are saying?

Because I felt it was useless.

You felt that if you told them this, they wouldn't understand that you didn't have the defense. Like I was saying, you're not the only one who's divorced. Well, from the moment I proposed to them, even before we signed the divorce, to do these things together, that this's the most elegant and beautiful way, and a thing that gives proof of good feelings and education, and he didn't agree, then what are my expectations?

How can I write to him now? What can I ask him to do? I did everything that he wanted from me. I declared everything I had to declare.

Because I couldn't do it anymore. I declared everything I had to declare.

Because I couldn't. I couldn't. I have nothing to hide. I don't hide from anyone. I am an extraordinary honest man. I don't feel good, not even mentally. I'm not ok with myself if...

If you hide or if you lie or if...

I can't play theater. I just can't.

Valentina, have you played theater during this time? That's a different question, right?

What would you like people to know about you? How would you like people to know you? People who have commented on things that they didn't know about.

But you know, it's very easy for us to comment. I would like, first of all, for people not to judge me without knowing the real context. And without knowing what really happens in a person's life. It's very easy to throw stones. It's the easiest thing to do. But it's not ok and it's not easy to throw stones. It's the easiest thing to do. But it's not ok and it's not right.

Because the person you're doing something like this to, is suffering. Ok, you don't realize it, you think that there are frustrations, that there are differences and so on, but no matter how hard you try, no matter how much you say that you're made of stone and nothing can break you, and you go forward with your head held high,

that you're perfect and you don't make mistakes, of course, it's all a lie and a lie. Because injustice is very, very ugly. Very ugly. And when you see that no one... No one thinks about saying a word,

to protect you, to take your side. You know, I have a lot of comments like this, if you sit and think, and I contradict. Because if you were a person who was with him for celebrity, you would stay in the same place. If you were a person who was following other things, you would stay in the same place. I mean, this decision to divorce came 100% from you, following some things you couldn't get over. And it's not a debate,

it's not a discussion that appears all the time. I don't leave after a debate, I don't leave after something like that. If I left, I didn't leave because of... So when you made this decision, you realized that nothing else matters, what matters is your career, your life, nothing else,

because you want to be good first and foremost, in what you are normal. Exactly, exactly. And I want the world to know that, because most of the comments are like this, or most of the opinions, I am an extremely hardworking person.

And I'm not saying this out of lack of modesty or God forbid. No, I think that you and him in turn, really are very hardworking people. That's why I know exactly, related of you, how many sacrifices you made to get to the show, coming from, I don't know, what shows, what songs, I don't think you ever said no.

And when you could say a thousand times no,

because you were justified, never.

Nobody ever lost the nights in my place. Nobody ran to events on the street until accomplished so far is thanks to my work. And I say this with all my confidence, because I was a man who was a Christian, and I was a Christian, and I was a Christian, and I was a Christian, and I was a Christian, and I was a Christian, and I was a Christian, and I was a Christian, because I was a man who was inspired by my children, that they have to work to get something, or to achieve what they want in life. And that this can only happen if you want a it and you're able to make sacrifices.

Do you feel that he supported you in the artistic side?

We supported each other. I supported him as well, of course. And I was there for every action. So you had nothing against him doing this job?

No. No.

Was Valentin romantic? I think he said it many times that I taught him to be. No, no.

I think he said it many times, that I taught him to be. But he never represented a problem. I liked to be myself and to do everything that was important to me. To be as beautiful and as good in a relationship. I liked to do small things, but they matter. And I really did everything that was important to me. I was a good wife, I did everything that was important to me, I was an artist, I gave everything.

Do you think he would have anything to say back? I don't know. That's what he should ask. I don't know what to say. Because I think you've always been very open and with the books in front of you. I don't get it wrong. I don't say I'm a perfect person. Nobody is perfect. Far from me. But all I can say with pride and with my hand on my heart

is that I was extremely devoted. And that I loved, I don't know, like maybe no one loves. That's how I felt. And that's how I feel that I did. But in all these years, until you made the decision this year, were there moments when you argued and you said,

that's it, we're giving up on the relationship? Or was it the first time? Of course there were disagreements, of course there were arguments.

But did you get to the point where you said, that's it, we're breaking up?

Yes, we did. We? Yes, I said that.

We've had a few more arguments. But... I said,

we have to manage somehow, and we have to fight because we're a family, and in a family, it's normal to have... But do you think he wanted us to continue fighting for the relationship? I didn't feel like we fighting, not at all. But could you have done something to change your mind?

No.

Unfortunately, no. So, no matter how much you fought, your mind wouldn't have changed? No. I say no with pain in my soul. Although... I mean, don't get me wrong, it's not like his love evaporated like that.

God forbid. But... no. There was no possibility to continue. However long I would have liked this marriage to last until we get old.

Since you got your divorce certificate in February 3rd, 2026, have you seen each other face to face? No. Not even when you went to get your clothes? You just announced it? I took them before. Before you got the certificate?

Before I signed it. On March 2nd. And you didn't try to stop her? Valentina, the little girl, you were like, look... No, she tried to tell me through text messages. Before signing the divorce papers, she asked me if there was any chance.

And I said yes, I'm willing to talk to her. I can't say there's any asked him to be honest with me. I think that this is worth it. And he was a man who proved that he could do something. that you didn't cheat, that you don't cheat, that maybe, you know how it is, at some point, you make a decision, having the impression that it's 100% like that, and in fact it's not like you think it is, you know? Because sometimes we make some impulsive decisions,

having the impression that we know everything and that's how it is, and then, in fact, maybe it's not like that. No, I didn't receive any explanation. But it was a discussion in which you had arguments? Yes. I mean, it wasn't just words.

No.

You had arguments and you said, look, I'm standing here…

I never relied on Cătălin's words. You know…

You know that people can eventually… Exactly.

You know that in this industry… People talk. People talk a lot. I read about my sister and I don't have a sister. Exactly. And there were many messages I received, many stories that I found out about someone. But I never gave it much thought. God is far away from me, this thought, and I always asked Him about me. But no, I never relied that kind of belief. God is far away from me, and I always asked Him.

But no, I never relied on Him.

So now you relied on concrete things. On things that were indisputable. Yes. That's what they were.

Yes.

That's why I say...

And then you can't ask a man, forgive me, you can't ask a man to give you another chance, in conditions in which you refuse to offer some explanations. But he had something to explain? He could be honest. And if he was honest, would things change?

No. But it mattered a lot to me.

So the result was the same?

Yes, the outcome was the same. So you couldn't have returned anything? No. Nothing? It was impossible, yes. To return anything.

No. No.

But the fact that he was honest with me meant a lot. Actually, you're not a dreamer like Desafio.

You're a fighter.

Yes. That's what I was told, you know, from the first days I joined the competition, that I had to be at the fighters' training.

That's what I was told. I mean, you're not the kind of person who's just like, ready, with your head in the clouds.

No, I'm a very intelligent person, and I'm extremely down-to-earth, but when I intervene with my feelings, and when my soul comes in, the reaction is a bit off, you know? But do you think it's something he didn't like about you?

I couldn't tell you. No, I don't know. I can't speak in his name, you know. I can only say what I feel. I'm very sorry that you split up, because we always see you as people who were very close, and you always supported each other, you were always there for each other.

And when I heard this, I gave you a message, and I told you that I gave him a message, I'm This is a divorce certificate that you had discussed and I really don't understand why he had to behave like you're saying some crazy things, when in fact you both signed a letter to the notary. Yes, and you know that maybe... I'm thinking that maybe he did it, you know, out of spite, maybe he was taken unprepared. Ok, I understand, you were taken unprepared.

Yes, I'm trying to understand him, but then... It's been a while since he appeared. He's denying this thing. And then you can't say it? It's very easy to be honest. With you, first of all.

And then with those people around you. Why do you think he would do this again? Because he's not the first man to divorce. Especially when you have a man who you're dating and you can announce that

a civilized relationship is over. I mean, that's hard for me to understand. I would tell you. But, in my opinion, I want to keep it. But… I mean, why do you do this when you have a divorce agreement, when you have a man who, no matter what you did, agrees to say that it was a beautiful relationship, we're breaking up, you're crying, he's hurting you, everyone,

and you keep the memory and the eyes of people like a relationship that's over, it didn't work out.

I mean, why don't you do these things?

I don't know. I don't know why. I don't know why.

And I don't understand why, if you see that that person, that person,

that person,

that person, that person, I'm Maybe if it wasn't for this situation, I wouldn't have come to you, to the podcast. Because I didn't feel well, neither emotionally, nor physically, nor mentally, in any way. I feel like I'm with my morals on the ground, and I'm very open in this sense. And I'm not ashamed to say it. I'm not ashamed to show my vulnerabilities, because that's what it is. That's what I'm facing now. Whether I like it or, because that's what it is. That's what I'm facing now. Whether I like it or not, that's what it is.

But I felt that if my image didn't appear, and everything I worked on… Because I worked, and I worked a lot. And I pulled a lot from myself. Always. Nobody does it.

And I would like to tell those who follow us on the podcast that when I read this, I wasn't the person who sent you a message saying, let's come to the podcast, let's come to the podcast. I didn't even think about it.

I know. And I thank you for being a true and honest friend and I felt this. I really felt it. Because maybe people say, hey,, she got divorced and you called her

to the podcast. No, that's not it.

No, I felt it on the phone.

And I said no. The story that you told me was after you made a decision with the people in your team because they saw you as an unfair woman.

I don't know what to do. I have to admit it. I don't know what to give. I have to admit. I don't know what to give you. After all the discussions I had and after I talked, befriended you and opened my heart to you, I don't know if I feel ready to come to this podcast or not. Although I have all the confidence. But I didn't know if I'm doing the right thing. I consulted with everyone, my parents, my cousins,

with Marius Chinacar, whom I thank so much. He's the man who was with me for 5 years. He's the man who worked with me. He's one of the most serious people in the industry. He's the most serious person in the industry. He believed in everything I was doing from the very beginning.

And a man who doesn't have anything to do with this showbiz, who doesn't care about scandals or fights,

I think he's a man who always wants to plan things.

I want to say something beyond this strictly professional side. He's such a good and warm man. And maybe sometimes you think that things are strictly professional. No, he looks beyond that.

He's a man with a family, with children, a man who looks at things a little differently.

Georgiana, my God, his wife, she's extraordinary.

That's what I wanted to say. Usually you hear, oh, manager, who's the manager? No, this man is a man with a family, with children, a man who has been doing this for many years, and a man who is extremely serious, about whom you don't hear things in the industry,

that it would be otherwise.

And he is a friend, who makes time for him every time to call when he hears that you are not well. And he puts above all that means the artistic part and so on, the human part. And you find very find people like that. That's why you have to appreciate them, to keep them close to you.

I'm now imagining, going back in time, and now maybe I'm getting a little bit tired, when you think about the relationship you've had for many times, the moments you spent together, the holidays, you know? And suddenly, everything breaks and you say,

but that was the reality, or this is the reality?

You know how it is. I mean, you have moments like that, when you think, but... Yes, and you sometimes think that life is a movie.

Is it like that for you?

Yes. Unfortunately, yes. I wouldn't have thought I'd ever say this, but yes. Because you look back, and you say, holidays, with friends, couples, everything, and you say, was that my life, or is this my life? You don't know how to put them together, how to arrange them. Yes, it's very sad to go through something like that.

And I don't want anyone to go through this.

Yes, but you are strong.

I like to think that way. Now I don't know what to say. We'll see. But you are strong. How strong I will be in the future. The idea is that...

I don't know... I try not to give up, as I said, for those around me. But I still feel like there's a lot of pressure. And online, I feel like everything is relevant. And that's why I feel the need to be here.

Why do you put to put it to your heart?

I don't know, but that's how I've always been. And I know it's not good to do it.

To put it to your heart because many times you think that you read your parents or you read the people you love a lot and that they could be affected.

Because you know who you are and what you are. I know who I am, yes. That's how it is. But the moment you see that the people you love the most are suffering, like this, you don't matter anymore, you're not in the first place. When you left for Desafio, you were together. And you were good.

Yes. You were good when you left. We were good, yes. You were fine. You were fine when you left. You didn't have any problems with being separated, with discussions like this, not even thinking about it. You were just waiting to go home. I was just waiting.

And everyone who watched the show on Pro saw that, I don't know, there were very few testimonials in which I didn't talk about him or mention him. And I think there was no day in God's history where I didn't mention him.

And I don't think there was a day in God's history when I didn't cry for him. I missed him so much. I felt like I was melting.

Why? I felt like I was melting.

A month and a half away, you were only thinking about home.

Yes, only home. I felt like I was missing him.

I was missing him a lot. I was missing him.

And I really missing something. I was missing something. And I lived this feeling, really. Although there was no moment in the competition where I wanted to give up, because I'm a fighter, I'm ambitious, I'm a fighter, I'm hardworking. And I didn't go there to cry and say that I want to go home. No. But, to be honest, I wasn't always ok. I mentioned it in many shows that I was waiting for my return home. I was waiting for us to go further.

I really wanted to have children. I wanted to go home and take the step, to try. I mean, actually... But until now, in all these years of parenting, you didn't want to?

Or did you say, let's leave it for later?

Yes, I didn't feel it.

And now you feel bad?

No, I don't feel bad.

Do you think that if you had a child...

I think it was a good thing. Although a child is always a blessing from God. In a normal way. That's how it is.

Practically, I can see that in you. All this breakup happened, you came back from DeSafio near Christmas and on February 2 you filed for divorce, right in the period of Christmas, New Year, in the period during the holidays, this whole internal struggle.

The holidays weren't necessarily the happiest.

Did you spend them together? Until the second day of Christmas. Did you find out the things that put you in in front of the fact that you were pregnant? That's when the breakup happened. Did you spend Christmas together? A part of it.

And then you left?

Yes.

Where?

First of all, home. To your mother? To my mother, in the small bucovina.

So, the next day you went to your mother's? Yes. At your mom's? At my mom's, in Bucovina Mică. So, the next day, you went to your mom's? Yes.

And the New Year?

In Bucharest.

Together?

Because we had a singing contest. No, we had a solo event together.

So, between Christmas and the New Year, you stayed at your mom's?

Yes. And Valentin? He didn't try to come after you, you know? Can I ask you something? Maybe it sounds like the old times, it's a bitter question. Do you feel like you're drunk because you came home? I don't know, maybe it's a joke, I don't know. Maybe, yes. your parents, his parents, him, you, close friends, and it's very complicated, it's a very sensitive dance.

Yes, it is. And at the same time, exactly as I said, and until now, I still don't think it's right, to judge people on the wrong things. Yes, just because one of the two didn't have enough courage to be accepted. To admit, yes, I got divorced, it's over. Yes, I didn't think it was right. And I was me again. I'm sorry, but I think you're very strong. And I would like to know that you're still as positive and bright.

To have the same energy, to sing all the time, to believe that there is love, that there is love. I don't know, to not give up on all these things, to be able to live. And I think that maybe for people who are still going through a divorce, people who are still going through a separation,

who are still meeting couples, I don't know, to have hope. I don't know how to say this, to have hope, to move on, to think that you've been through difficult moments,

and that, look that it was good.

I thank you from the bottom of my heart and I appreciate you from the bottom of my soul, exactly as I said to everyone who was with me during this difficult time. I will not forget this unconditional support I received from people, maybe, I don't know, there were people I didn't expect. Was there someone, you said there were people you expected to have a different reaction to and they were totally wrong? Yes, there were. But there were also some of the best friends who were with me. God, I have some wonderful people, I'm telling you honestly, even though there are few.

But I have some wonderful people with me and I'm not a big fan of the big names, to be honest, even though I'm not that big. But I have some amazing people around me. And I'm... Even though I'm going through something like this, I'm so blessed by God that he made it so that I have special people

around me, special people, who know how to lift me up when I'm down. You're like that too.'m a little bit like that. I have Iseline, one of my best friends, and I also have Simona. God, there are many, many, many. I don't know, if I were to list them all now, I would tell you.

But you feel like there are people who were very close to you. Very close to me, yes. Who didn't let me go. They didn't let me break down. Did you cry a lot during this time? God forbid.

After I signed the divorce, I felt like I was dying. I felt like I didn't... I didn't... I didn't deserve to go further. I didn't know how to go further.

So after I left...

You did this together. You had to be together in front of the notary. Not one at a time, one at a time. No, together.

Yes. We were together at the notary and after I left, I'll be honest, after I got in the car, I held on to not cry.

A lot.

And at the notary you looked at each other.

Yes. And at night you looked at each other. Yes, it was like that. I felt like it was more like a meeting between two friends at a coffee shop. That's how I felt then. Anyway, after I left, I remember getting in the car and I screamed. I screamed for an hour until I got home. I screamed from all my lungs. I'm not speaking metaphorically.

I screamed for an hour until I got home. I felt like everyone was laughing at me. I felt like the ground was running over my feet. I felt like it was coming to an end. And I went home, and I didn't go out for a few days. While I was on the floor.

On the floor. On the floor. I cried and I thought about it. I thought about it until I had people, my loved ones, who picked me up.

Were there moments when you felt guilty? You know, maybe there were a few times when I wasn't enough of... I don't know if it's the right word, but maybe I was too naive, too... I judged myself a bit, I have to admit.

In this sense? Yes.

You were surprised by yourself? I was able to recognize myself. In this sense? Yes. So it was strange for you?

Yes.

Yes, it was strange for me. So there was more strange for you than for him? Because maybe if I was more careful and if I opened my eyes a little better, maybe it wouldn't have been the same. Maybe I wouldn't have gone through this. Maybe I would have been able to avoid it.

And maybe I wouldn't make people suffer, people who have so much love for me.

It's good that you didn't start drinking at this point. You know how it is. I didn't know how to say it. I had a glass of wine and I could have served you. You didn't start. In these moments you come to start drinking, to put your fist in the table, to scream.

Look, things you did just to get rid of yourself.

Yes. I didn't do that.

But... My soul cried a lot, and it still does. You're crying because you still love him? I'm crying because it's hard for me. It's hard.

And I don't know how to get over these moments. And make them easier. Maybe I don't have to make them easier, maybe I have to live them as they come. Maybe it's normal. Because there are so many people who have difficulties in life, and maybe much bigger. Because, in fact, someone told me at one point that

the really serious things are the ones that matter. Those are the things that matter. But that's how I feel right now. In this moment, that's how I feel.

But it's normal, because there were...

And I don't want to lie, that I'm tough, that... I'm going to knock down a lot of people right now, and that I'll get through, and I many people. I'm going to be myself. This is my current state.

If someone calls you after the Valentine's podcast, will you answer?

I don't know. I don't know if I'll answer.

I don't know. Do you't know if I can answer him.

I don't know. Do you think you need time to forgive him? Or do you think you can ever forgive him? Because you are a person who suffers from this point of view, I ask you.

What I can tell him is that I don't hate him. And I don't wear a mouth. And I know I'll never wear a mouth. You know, I felt it in the podcast, that you wanted to show off, that you're strong, that you're... but you're actually such a sensitive person.

That's why I'm saying this.

You want the best for him. And I really want him to be... To be good and beautiful in life. To have everything he wants.

I don't know, maybe at some point... ...this disappointment will pass. What do you think you didn't have? I don't know if it's about me.

I say be strong. Be a man. I'm trying. Keep going and don't let everything hold you back. I hope from the bottom of my heart that people will know you as I have known you for a long time. A good man, a pure man, a very honest and positive man. You know I've never seen a hairdresser in you? Because I don't know.

And I've met a lot of artists throughout my life. I've never felt that you can be a hairdresser. And when you left Desafio, I was thinking, God, she can't be the hairdresser. Because you need the witchcraft. The people from the production told me,

whom I respect a lot, and who made me feel extraordinarily good, and I loved them a lot. I loved them too. Even if at some point I had to, or I wanted to make a strategy,

because they did. You can't do it. They said that I would go to them and I would be naked for sure after half an hour. I don't know how to lie. For those who want to know Codruța better, in all her adventure from The Sapphire,

you should know that there are episodes on VOYO, where you can watch them. And on TV you probably see them from now on, or maybe you've seen them so far, but there you can see them linked to you. I'm the desafio. The desafio-adventure. And now, I was afraid while I was saying

that you're a very honest and correct woman, and I'm not saying these things to flatter you, I'm not saying these things as if, God, I promised you that if you come to the podcast, I'll tell you how beautiful and smart you are, but no. Because I never insisted on the podcast, and neither did you. At one point, it came after a long time, and it's natural, this whole story. But I remember, God, what could you do?

At one point, at the show, I think I fooled you with something. Do you remember? I don't remember what happened at the show when I told you that Valentin came on his birthday with a lady behind the camera. Yes, after I came back from the competition.

Do you remember? Yes, on December 22nd, when I landed in the country, I came to the show. And I don't know, there was a joke there, and I said, hey, Cod ladies behind the camera, you said you were looking at my little one, and I said, well, another little one came.

And I remember how you transformed, because you never accepted to go through something like that.

Yes.

Yes, I was upset, you know. That's why I say, you can see the sincerity in you. You can't be a clown. I can't. You can see it in your face. I can't be a clown, I don't know.

And I don't know how to hide things. It's very hard. Not that it's very hard, but I've never been able to. But you realize how nice you are, how honest you are, how... Everything. From this point of view, you know that I try to listen to my parents. I always tell them it's not about them. And my friends tell me the same. It's not about them.

The story that happened now. You, be strong. I can't wait to see you here at the podcast, to tell more. Because I hope people will understand who you really are, not what they read in the comments, and what they feel the need to throw away.

And if you could leave a single message about yourself, behind this podcast, what would it be? I would like people to know me as I really am. I would appreciate it very much if I wouldn't judge a person so easily. Because you never know what is hidden in their soul and heart. And maybe you are wrong. Maybe you are wrong on purpose. Maybe, because of your reactions, that person suffers more than the case.

I don't know. I would like to be better with some people. We are fasting. I would like to be more supportive and to let them be more empathetic. I would have preferred to leave her alone with her prejudices, to be more empathetic. We would have loved it. I'm losing all my heart to see this happening. You know, many times I would look at my phone and I would think, until I call Valentin and he apologizes and says I'm sorry or he makes up his mind.

But I realize that sometimes some things are not as we imagine them to be. You know, they are solved easily, maybe people think, let it be, it's not like that. Everyone has a cross in their soul, and you can't play with their souls so easily.

Yes, unfortunately not.

If your parents are watching, would you tell them something? Yes. I want to tell them that... That your mother is a teacher? Your mother is a teacher. You can tell her in French.

That she is a teacher of French.

What can I say? I love them so much. And I thank God every day of my life because he gave me and because he chose me to be their child. And to be sure that there is no greater love than the one I carry. And that they are my support in everything.

And things will always remain like this.

That they are people that anyone would want to have by their side. They are good people,

who know how to offer a lot of light, love and warmth around them. No matter what they receive from each other.

Maybe it would be good to tell them that you are very strong.

I am. I am strong. And that nothing will stop you, and that you'll go through all the moments, you and Valentin, in his way, and you in your way,

and that you'll be on your way.

Exactly. Exactly. Is this separation forever? It's forever. Forever, forever? Whatever happens,

whatever tells you that what you know is not what you know,

Whatever happens.

nothing can convince you that you may have made a mistake? Nothing can convince you that things may not be the way you think? Nothing? It doesn't come back to you? Even though you're suffering, even though... when I talked to you the other day, you were crying... Nothing.

No.

No, and it's better that it happened now.

Take care of yourself.

Thank you from the bottom of my heart. And I appreciate them.

I think you felt good. You know it was hard for me. Because I know you and Valentin. I was at your wedding, I presented that moment. Valentin always seemed like a very nice guy, you laughed a lot with him.

And...

It's not easy. No, it's not easy. It can't be. But that's the way it is. After all, we're not the first or the last.

You know why I say that? Because we were friends with you and him. And I think I gave you the message at the same time, but a totally neutral message. I mean, you don't think about the same time, but a totally neutral message.

I mean, I don't think about podcasts, I don't think about anything, I just say, «Hey, it's for real!» Because I didn't believe it, you know?

And that's why I say it.

Yes. It's for real. And that's the difficulties in life.

I was having a hard time.

They are invalid. I was having a hard time. It was hard for me. Yes, it's hard. It's hard, because you don't think about it. I don't think that someone ever gets married at some point in their life with the thought of breaking up. I don't think they ever thought about it.

I don't think so. At least I've seen it for once. And my heart was for it. But... Life is surprising.

If you see this podcast and want to come to the podcast, does it bother you?

No.

Not at all. Thank you very much. Take care of yourself. Even if you don't drink, I want you to give a bottle of Samburești to your friends and a bottle of Sambure white raspberry for Mariuschina, who takes care of this, which means the artistic part.

Thank you from the bottom of my heart. Once again, for everything. And for all this support, and for all the beautiful energy I received. It is very important. And sometimes a simple word, a good word, does a lot.

For those who are watching the podcast, you can leave a good word on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok or this podcast. Because every time a good word matters and we should not judge when we do not know how things are in people's lives.

Thank you very much! Thank you very much!

You're welcome!