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Thank you for reducing President Jokowi's intention at that time. At that time, he was already in office as a person, to join BRICS.

This is the CIA deputy who found it.

CIA deputy.

Talking to this minister.

When Mr. Prabowo wanted to go to China, Indonesia was attacked with demonstrations because the goal was to let people know China. Indonesia is being attacked by demonstrations because they want to tell us, you can't, let's join them.

5, 4, 3, 2, 1. And close the door. Ulta Levenia. I want to apologize to you first. Why, Om? Because two years ago you lost your job. Because of the podcast.

I can't go to Yaman, I can't go to Houti, I can't go to Hezbollah.

I'm sorry.

Now, I have a price on my head.

But, it's safer.

Because of me. Yes, thanks to you, Om.

You just got shuffled. Yes. Iya, Om. Itu pasti. Thanks to you, Om. Lelita, baru disyafirin nih.

Iya. Iya kan?

Baru aja.

Menurut lu gimana?

Pertama, itu adalah hal positif. Ini kan tuntutan dari masyarakat, influencer, dan segala orang yang merepresentasikan katanya keresaan masyarakat itu. Kan dijawab cepat oleh presiden, Om. And all the people who represent the people's feelings, were quickly answered by the president. It's good, right? Menkyu, who said,

we were taxed, blah, blah, blah. Change Menkyu. Change with the president.

Budi Ari?

We already know the track record, sir.

I don't know, ma'am.

I don't know.

You don't know? The one with the flowers. The country with the flowers.

But there are a lot. Mr. Begi is also in Seville.

That's good. Because he is responsible for the security of the country, the police, and actually the intelligence. Brief from the main copol cam.

The main copol cam, right?

About the security of the country, it should be given to the president. If there is something wrong there, it's the responsibility of the Minister of Culture.

Not Bin?

One of them.

Bin too? Right? The Minister of Culture. Here, sir.

Can you give me 2 minutes? I know your game, sir. I know your game. That's okay. I know your game. That's okay. I know your game. That's okay. Don't use negative connotation for the game.

Positive. Positive.

Positive. And, well, I also want to make a disclaimer. At the beginning. Until I attacked for being a normal person. I'm sorry for the writing. So, before I came to you, I knew that what I would say would make many people angry.

Because this is not mainstream. And there are many institutions that I will mention that have the capability to attack me, either directly or indirectly, by... ...badmouthing my character or something.

That's why I want to make a disclaimer.

Okay, disclaimer disclaimer. Okay.

Okay, Om Deddy. 2-3 years ago, I came here to explain my job and hobbies. Am I right, Om?

I also know where you're going.

I'm a researcher of terrorism and international security. I have the ability, from my learning, to analyze geopolitics and intelligence international, saya mempunyai kemampuan dari hasil belajar itu menganalisa geopolitik dan intelijen sebagai tools atau alat mempertahankan hegemony atau kekuasaan. Hegemony dalam tanda luas, dalam maksud luas, geopolitik, kayak gitu. Saya orang biasa, tidak anak pejabat, I'm not a high-ranking official. I'm not a rich person. All of my schools are for college students.

I don't look at anyone. I'm sure there will be a comment, -"Fix her eyes on anyone." No, you can check anyone. Uncle Didi is really quick. Didi contacted me and said,

-"Ma'am, can said, I was sleeping, can you come here? I was like, it's hard to say. I don't know how it affects me, I lost my job.

I was talking calmly.

I was talking calmly.

But with all the risks, why is it important to say this? Because what I'm going to say is purely my opinion.

Okay. Our disclaimer.

There is no point in narrating. Because I know, I am very aware that what I'm going to say is not a popular narrative. Which will get a lot of support. This is not at all. So I already know the comment section below is definitely this is definitely this, this is definitely this.

I already know. There will be no support or positive comments. Especially since I will be covering some actors, both people or institutions that are very popular right now. Mainstream. Because they are connected to the crowd narrative.

Mainstream narrative. The narrative of the crowd that is receiving a lot of support right now. That's what they... By doing that, they are using it to get support. Wow. the background, the murderous nature, and the other risks are more terrifying than those faced by terrorists and Taliban.

Wow.

It's...

If you're facing terrorists and Taliban, you're dead. It's over. But if they're ruining your character, digging up the background, making weird narratives, you have to endure it for the rest of your life.

Why? Someone has to do it. As a citizen of this country, with the knowledge I have, both in the field and during my studies, I want to contribute a little bit, to open the eyes of the people, not to take this opportunity to be a hindrance to popularity.

But to offer the truth. I quote Buya Hamka, If life is just life, the pig in the forest is also alive. If you work, you just work. The crows also work.

Okay. Okay, we have a disclaimer. But you're not forced to come here, right? No.

And you're not forced, right?

No.

Okay. Let's get back to the topic. So, reshuffle is good?

Good.

Good, right? Okay. We talked yesterday. I watched you on Bang Akbar Faisal.

Thank you, Om.

I'm a fan of Mas Akbar. I keep watching you, Bang Akbar. There, you talked about conspiracy.

Actually, conspiracy is only 20%. But there is conspiracies. There are. For example, I said that Riza Khalid is like Jeffrey Epstein. Because I refuse to label a criminal like that with cool names. Like Godfather, King of Oil. No, you are a criminal. too, like Jeffrey Epstein.

Okay, but you also said that there are possibilities. We're talking about why I label this as a conspiracy because no one knows the truth. People will say, but this and that. Everyone is wrong. Some say, the internal is playing, some people say that we're betraying Prabowo, some people say that we're being too internal, and there are some foreign factors.

If you say that we're from abroad, then don't say that we're from abroad. Just say that we're from Indonesia. There are so many of these. If I were to talk about it, if I were to say that we're internal, I don't know, but there must be a lot of infiltrators. That's the logic.

When you were in Akbar Faisal, you said that there is an interesting story that I heard that the IAEA deputies met the minister.

Yes.

Right? Can you tell us a little bit about that?

Yes. Alright, Om. So, at that time I was working. Because if I told you about my work, you would know who the minister was.

Okay.

It's not a job, because since you're a jobless person, it's like a safari for a certain purpose. He told me. The minister told me directly. So, we were facing each other. But there were other people on the left and right. But I heard directly that the deputy CIA came to him,

invited him to lunch. He said, thank you for lowering President Jokowi's intention at that time. At that time, he was already in office as a person. To join BRICS. Thank you. This is the CIA deputy who found it.

Talking to this minister.

Talking to the minister. Based on the minister's words, the minister's problem is a lie atau apa, itu cerita lain.

Tapi kalau lu mengatakan, seandainya benar, kan namanya juga Teori Konspirasi ya, seandainya benar, kan pembicaraan Pak Jokowi dengan menteri ini gak ada yang tahu kan?

Gak ada yang tahu. Gak ada yang tahu. Habis itu pertanyaan saya tuh ke beliau, How did they know, sir? Ah, you don't have to... ...this... ...what? You don't have to...

...so?

...so. We don't know. We know everything. All our affairs are being watched. Being surveilled. Being surveilled. Being watched by them. Both domestic and foreign.

So, if it's true, it means that when you, mean that when Prabowo or our government joined BRICS, it was very dangerous?

It was dangerous. And it was during... How many months did Prabowo serve as an official? That was when BRICS was introduced. Mr. Jokowi didn't dare to do it 10 years, Mr. Prabowo is very brave. And the one in front of him...

So, the one in front of him is big?

I don't know. You know, symbolically, people criticize Mr. Prabowo for going to China? The situation in the country is still like this. That's a symbol.

That I'm still standing here. I'm strong. I can. And I want to. Remember, when Iran wanted to be bombed by America, it was because of lobbying, Israel through AIPAC, and all kinds of things, they had a lot of things to do there.

But the point is, when Iran wanted to be bombed, it was a few days before America wanted to negotiate with Iran. The analogy is that when Mr. Prabowo wants to go to China, Indonesia is attacked with demonstrations because it wants to show that you can't join there. But Mr. Prabowo finally went.

He wants to show that he is strong, independent, and he could do it. And is it the right move? I don't know. What do you mean?

For example, if Prabowo went to China, it means that he is still strong. Indonesia is still strong. Right?

I am still with my alliance.

Okay. Do you think it's challenging?

Yes. It's challenging.

So, the question is, is it the right move? Or is it necessary? Or do we have to?

If we keep holding on to this pressure and keep doing what he wants, it means we are still under his control. So, whether it's right or not, Prabowo wants to show, I think, because Prabowo doesn't like to be read,

but it's okay, he's... whatever pressure you give to my country, my country remains independent, fighting for the interests of my country. And what happened?

Next day, our diplomat was shot in Peru. This is not a conspiracy, this is not a cabal, but there is a professor named John Macehamer. He wrote a very controversial book in the middle of 2009 or 2008.

It's about the Israel lobby. How strong the Israel lobby is. And everyone said, this is a conspiracy. No, it's not. Not everything is a conspiracy. No, it's not. It's not all conspiracy, Om. Why can't we put it down?

That's because... That's what I explained in... Bang Akbar, right? We are at the level of... ...liminal warfare. Liminal warfare is where we...

They attack us in the grey zone. The goal is achieved. We finger pointing, we point at each other, we split. The Davidian Empire

is a different strategy. Now we use social media.

So, the meaning of grey area means that the definition of society and so on, finally point to each other. This is the inside, this is the beginning, this is the beginning.

Yes, that's the goal.

While those who start the truth will not be known.

We will not be known, it is difficult to explain it to the public, because even the public asks, Even if we ask, what is this? This is how it is. The stronger the game is, the more...

But do you believe that the demo that happened was initially a public feeling?

Organic, yes.

Organic, yes. Okay, let's stay there first. That there was a public feeling, right? Yes. Starting the demo was a public feeling, right?

Yes.

After that, there was a substitution.

There was a substitution that took advantage of the situation.

Okay.

Yesterday, you said that the substitution here, just like Mr. Henruk Riono said, that the substitution here can be from outside.

Yes.

Yes?

Yes.

Or is it highly probable? This is an unpopular opinion. There are still many who disagree with you.

It's very possible from the outside. So, Om, I read the newspaper, one of the newspapers that is said to be the most credible. Everyone praises them, like they are all prophets.

I read it carefully and I listened to their podcast. But I studied it one by one. So, he said, let me open my phone. That... This dalang... So,ang has a conclusion like this. It's weird.

He said, So, not a foreign antichrist or a foreign player, especially a terrorist network, because Prabowo mentioned the word terrorism, which led to a demonstration riot. This is at the end,

which means that's his conclusion. This is the last part. It means that this is his conclusion. This is destroying the country, Om. Destroying the country and the intellectual ability of the people. Because what? What do you expect? What is meant by foreign antec? People with brown hair, blue eyes, join the demonstration?

No. Foreign anters are our people.

Foreigners are our people?

Our people.

Okay. But that means we can't point fingers at the actors.

We can't.

We can't?

But if we are different, our society, with America, maybe. Podcasts that discuss this, there are a lot of them.

In America?

Yes.

There's Danny Jones, there's Joe Rogan, there's John Kiriakou, even the former CIA, he opened up about the CIA operation.

He opened everything up.

He opened everything up.

Back to their journalism product, they said, especially the terrorist network. As a terrorist researcher, I know what they mean. They mean a terrorist network affiliated with religion. While what the president meant was terrorism in general.

Terror. They shoot terror.

Yes. In that, I'm sorry to be repetitive, but it's okay. In the UN Security Council Resolution No. 1566, there are three main indicators. Criminal acts, the nuance of terror, and intimidation.

That's already... Terror. Terrorism. It can be called terrorism.

So, terrorism doesn't need to be from outside, right?

Not that it doesn't need to be from outside. I mean, it doesn't need to be from religion. Yes, yes. Yes.

Making people feel afraid is already terrorism, right? Yes. Okay. And it doesn't need to be from outside, right?

No. It doesn't need to be from outside. It can be from in your country.

Burning a place is terrorism. Basically, it's terror. Based on terrorism is terror.

When it can be categorized as criminal acts, and it intimidates the people. And when it creates a sense of terror.

Making people feel afraid is terrorism, right?

Yes. So what he meant, especially the terrorist network, he tried to negate Mr. President by directing what Mr. President meant as terrorism in the context of religion. There's J-I, J-A-D, and so on.

But he's not a fool. Why is he not a fool? He knows what he wrote. He knows where this will lead. So, he's not a fool. He's trying to fool our society.

This is not a fool. He is trying to fool our people. This is problematic. This is problematic, really. Okay. Let's go back for a moment.

My forehead is hot. I'm angry, Om. What's wrong? This is also a message for the Indonesian people. Don't generalize something. Everything cannot be generalized. Even though the newspaper or magazine has been around for several years

and what they do is good, but don't say that it's absolutely true. We have to ask, is it dangerous? Why? If they say here, Ulta Levenia is a terrorist.

And because they have the ability and support from their supporters, who make the public believe, they just let it be. What's the difference between us and fanatics? I'm angry. We to divide the nation.

Then, what should we do?

We should be critical.

We should be sceptical.

But we're not saying that everything they say is wrong.

No.

No, right? We're not saying that everything they say is wrong.

No. That's wrong too. You can't.

Okay. But it means that when there's something, reading the news and so on, we have to be skeptical, think again, and critical. Because not everything is right.

Yes.

So, this is no different from when we see women wearing pink hijab, right? Hmm. I almost got the FOMO. Or for example, the 150 million dollar bus.

Yes.

I thought it was impossible to get 150 million dollar bus. But if the government really needs it, what they do is, they call you. You will be approached nicely. You will be asked for help. Not through WhatsApp or DM.

150 million, like this. That means, you know, it will spread. In my opinion, this is another gray area. I don't know who sent this. I'm sure it's not the government who sent it.

Can he check it? It's only in the gate contact. But the narration is already bad.

It's already out there.

If you know that, you should make a contact first. Who's name is it?

This is a bit of a stir, isn't it?

Very much so.

It's the same as this, Om. When we were playing, and all that, and we were accused of being a military, and then accused of what? We have to investigate this first, Om. This is an ognum, what is the intention? If I have the ability, I have a SDM of 15-20 people,

I will track from the beginning, I will track and I can make an assessment about it. I am confident about it. Well, it's actually an excuse to counter our intel. Because we can't track it. But the outside narration is like,

''Oh, the army is behind this.'' This is not the army soldiers behind all of this. But these are not soldiers. These are economists. And Paul Ree has said that they will make a team with Bin and TNI to investigate this. That's good.

So, they can't take one of the instances.

Yes. Their motivation their motivation? Okay. And... Ah, never mind.

Yes, okay. But back to you. You are an expert. You are actually an international. If you talk about foreign players, we talk about foreigners playing, we talk about foreigners playing.

For example, there was a CIA. I read it in the Russian newspaper. The Russian newspaper said that it was foreigners playing in Indonesia. The Russian newspaper. So, we can't close the possibility that it's possible and there's a possibility. That's it. I want to talk about the color revolution.

There's a news, I'll try to publish it later, it's about the CIA Color of Revolution. If I'm not mistaken, it's in... Where is it? Can you show it? I can't see it. It's in Rose Revolution. Georgia in 2003. So, everything is in rose color.

It's in 101.

It's in 101. Orange Revolution, 2004, Ukraine. Tulip Revolution, Kyrgyzstan. Orange Storm, Azerbaijan. Cedar Revolution, Lebanon. There are so many. Green Revolution, Iran.

Grip Revolution, Moldova. There are so many. There was a 2010. Lotus Revolution, Pearl Revolution, Arab Spring. They said it was a one-on-one, using colors.

Yes, actually, it doesn't have to be colors. But they will create symbols to unite everyone who has... Grievance? What is grievance, Om?

The feeling of... So, there is a little theory, Om. But, thank God, I passed in uni.

Ted Goury wrote the book, Why Men Rebel. Why Men?

Rebel. Rebel. Why do people rebel? When I read that book, maybe because before I studied, I already had field experience. He said that there is relative deprivation. Relative deprivation is when you feel that you are not satisfied and you feel poor. But actually you are not poor.

You are content but you feel poor. This is the mistake. If I am a foreign agent, I would take advantage of it. When the DPR members are flexing. That's a note. When the DPR members are flexing, when they dance, when they get a fee.

Maybe our society is not as much as the majority feel, wow, I'm so poor. I'm like, I'm so poor. But with this gap,

A very high gap.

and being watched, there is a relative deprivation. deprivation itu. Apa perasaan tidak puas terhadap ekspektasi dengan kapabilitasnya itu nggak sama.

Tapi itu kan kondisional dong. Maksud gue, sorry gue potong. Maksud gue gini. Kalau gaji DPR dan sebagainya, kayaknya zaman Chris Dayanti keceplusan ngomong, itu kan udah ngomong berapa ratus juta, setiap tahun berapa ratus juta. It's been talked about for hundreds of millions of years. But it's just a talk, gossip, and so on. It's not like this.

Why don't you fry it?

Why don't you fry it? Even if it's fried, it's small at that time. But I mean, I'm trying to debate you. But we can't cover up the fact that the state of the country at the moment, the people with a lot of social security and so on, it must make our society more difficult, right?

Yes, I feel that too, personally. Because of my job, it's hard. It's true, I mean, there is a problem with society. I'm not saying it's real. But, it's there. It's there, it's surfaced.

There are many actors who play it.

Many actors who play it?

There's an interest in it.

Not because it's pure. Isn't it pure?

It can be pure. It is pure. But in this situation, everyone is taking advantage of it.

Oh yes.

They are also taking advantage of it. I even take advantage of this to put my perspective. There are influencers who put their perspectives. There are also those who look for perspective. There are also people who are looking for followers. There are also people who are doing all kinds of things. If the foreigners see this, they can take this variable that I can use

to delegitimize this Indonesian president who doesn't obey me.

Okay. Let's assume I'm stupid. Okay? Let's assume I don't know anything. Okay? Let's assume I don't know anything, ya? Okay? Kenapa pihak luar mau melakukan ini?

Kan udah bilang presidennya kita gak nge-geh sama mereka.

Gak patuh?

Gak patuh, gak terus terlalu deket sama musuhnya. It's not too close to the enemy. Indonesia is very important, Om. Indonesia is very important. That's why we are constantly being disturbed. If the war breaks out in the South China Sea, that's where the Australian nuclear submarine is.

Because where will AUKUS. Where are they looking at?

Us.

And if we are not pro-Indonesia, and if Russia helps Indonesia to open a land in Biak, Guam is not far from there. And Australia is below. That's why they now have troops in Papua New Guinea.

Okay, but don't we always non-block?

Okay. Here's the thing, Om. When we non-block, it's relevant. Very relevant when the world is unipolar. When is the world unipolar? This is a very difficult language. I know this comment section. When is the world unipolar? December 1991?

You use a language that people can understand.

That's why I want to... well, the world is unipolar. It means that a country that dominates the world, a country that dominates other countries, is called unipolar. It's like the world's police.

It happened, right?

It happened. It was from 1991 until China appeared. In 40 years, it brought 800 million people who were in extreme poverty. Extreme poverty. Now, look at Chongqing, look at Shanghai.

You don't have to look at Chongqing, you don't have to look at anything. You can go anywhere. You can go anywhere. Besides the creation of God, the creation of Made in China.

That's why when there is a problem with China-US, it's like, you, Donald Trump, your maga hat is made in China. The US flag is made in China.

Okay. It means that you said that we can't be non-blocked.

When the condition of the multipolar world is like this, it will be very difficult to cross between the two islands. That's why Mr. Sugiyono's

job is hard. And he must be... The security must be tight. He must be targeted. And it's time...

Wait, wait, Mr. Sugiono?

Mr. Sugiono Menlo.

Menlo was targeted.

Of course, sir. If that's the case. You heard my left- Kerry, right?

But this is how dangerous it is.

Yes. If not, it's impossible for America to change the name of the Defense Minister

to be the Minister of War. When I saw that, I was like, what the... It was a show off, right? When yesterday, when you brought me to China, and other events in China, Putin was there, right?

Kim Jong-un was there. Suddenly, it was Ministry of War. It was a psychological show off. Ministry of War. This is directly or indirectly, psychologically, telling us that we are ready to fight.

Yup.

You can get my perspective, right? I mean, I'm talking. There's no backup, I come to my brother. There's no Pak Judan, there's no Tetot.

I'm just talking as a national child, I want to... Do you know, Om? that your podcast is more dangerous than a thousand bullets? One bullet shoots one head. Your podcast shoots at least, you've never been below a million. So there's a million heads, in probability of is that maybe 50% of them will be affected. So, you have a very important role.

If we count YouTube, it's 4 times more people watch it. So, if it's a million, 4 million people watch it. Spotify is also there. If it's 1 million, it's 4 million. We have Spotify too. Why does he think... He said you have to speak up. If you don't speak up, no young people will speak up.

You're one.

That's why I came here. I don't really like to give highlights. I enjoy myself in the shadows. I really like to see the darkness behind the screen. And then I analyze it. Before your podcast, I wrote in the national and international newspaper. I wrote it after I heard from Deddy.

I was thinking, what kind of agent is he?

It's true.

So, this podcast, you have a lot of contributions. The contributions are followed by the responsibility. So, Bang. Akbar said, what? Mrs. Oltani rarely speaks, but once she does, we need to listen. How many times?

It's been twice, if I'm not mistaken. The first time, I didn't. The second time, I thought it was just for a meeting. Someone else would fill in for me. I thought it was just a recording. I thought it was okay.

I'm happy to be given the opportunity. But, also... This is an opportunity for at least 5 or 10 people to understand what I mean.

I think more people understand what I mean. I think more than that. Many people understand what you mean. Many people don't care what you mean. Because they are already trapped in their own conditions. Of course, there are people who have spoken like this, and they are too shy to be interesting. There are people who are already in an echo chamber.

Whatever you want to say, I believe it like this. It's already radical, with their beliefs. I know you. You are very concerned about this kind of thing. Maybe the question is, if we forget that this is foreign, this is terrorism, this is the reshuffle, etc. If we forget all of that, Pak, then we will be in a very bad situation. Because we are not aware of the situation.

We are not aware of the situation. We are not aware of the core. If we forget, this is foreign, this is terrorism, this is the reshuffle, etc. If we forget all of that, sir. Okay. Two things. One, if our society has to be critical, check, check and recheck first. And no matter what, we still love our motherland, Indonesia. And don't blame someone or an institution without seeing if it's true.

What is the real event? Because usually, after an event, suddenly there is something that comes out as a new fact. They don't want to admit that fact.. Because this is already spread out. Even when Mrs. Simulyani talked about the burden of the country in AI, it turned out that AI... No one connected it.

They said there was a video of Avan that pushed it. I don't know if it's true or not. But it has to be checked again. But the point is, when there is an incident, we still blame it. We don't allow the incident to happen, it's still wrong.

But, if there's a fact or another ha-ha, it will still be covered up. Like, the Pink Mothers. My question to you is, if our society has to be what, we all know what our society should be. But my question to you, if you are in the government, and if you have a high position, with this situation, there are foreigners, as you said, there are grey areas. Even our society is broken. Maybe the terror comes from our society.

It can happen. It's a certain part of society. What should the government do?

Okay. First, research is important. No matter how long you are in the field, if you can't combine it in one day, he can't predict the future. So, let's go back to the beginning. Why is it so easy for our society to be triggered by negative things?

That's the point. This is what Om Dede learned.

Psychology.

Negativity, bias. Okay. Negativity, bias. Bias, negativity. That when we... For example, let's say you meet 10 people. 9 of them say,

Mr. Deddy is handsome. Mr. Deddy is handsome. One of them says, you are so ugly now. The one you focus on, you can't sleep. Which one? Mas Deddy ganteng. Om Deddy ganteng deh. One person said, You're so ugly now. Which one did you focus on so much that you couldn't sleep?

The one who said I'm ugly?

One person. And I think, this is again a counterintelligence. The problem is there. It's called counter-narration. So,

propaganda is important.

You're not answering my question, Sophie.

What should be done. I've said it before, Om. If I have 15-20 people and the capability to track, I will track who is the one who is involved. It's just academic, there's no need to be interested. I don't know. But we agree that the demo was purely organic. Organic. Then, counter. Counter, what is the purpose? Counter, what is the purpose?

Counter, what is the purpose? Counter, what is the purpose? Counter, what is the purpose? The demo is purely organic. Organic. Then counter. Counter means, what is the purpose? If the purpose is organic, we will let it go. But if the purpose is not organic,

it means we give space to others to do it again in the future.

What does it mean to look for a successor?

I have to look for it first. If my rationale is to make it like, first, make sure who the person is.

Who is this person?

Yes, who is moving this? For example, now we are framing TNI, who is moving? Okay. Right? I'm because the solution is different between the two. There is a demand there, saying, release all demonstrators. Are you sure it's all demonstrators? If we let it be,

then the rioters who infiltrated the demonstration will take advantage of the next moment to say, I'll be free to defend the students. I don't have to be afraid. I won't be a nuisance anymore. Is that right?

Because there is a possibility that the students will be investigated.

It's very possible, Om. It's very possible.

It's possible. It's possible. We never know. But that's an ognum. Ognum. Ognum. Okay.

But, let's go back. What should the government do? You said that you're going to reset it, right?

Yes, yes. And then what? And then what? This is a good question. And maybe this is a chance for me to ask. I hope there are people who are listening from the President's circle.

First, research is important. Second, how to formulate policies that are appropriate for the society. Don't let the society's policy be like this. Suddenly, there's a tax, etc. Give the opportunity to foreigners to take advantage of it.

So, you also said that there are a lot of mistakes in the institutions.

We are not perfect. Nobody is perfect. Like, all the systems have flaws. And now I meet a lot of people who are not supportive. We need to ask why. Nah, perlu juga untuk pemerintah sekarang untuk terutamanya Pak Prabowo sih untuk membuat Satga, Task Force, Menteri Dalam Negeri, Menteri Luar Negeri, paling penting sih, Menteri Luar Negeri, Menteri Dalam Negeri, Menkopol, Kabin, Kabais, gitu.

Kenapa? Karena kita harus melinkage, menghubungkan apa yang ada di dalam negeri dengan apa yang ada di luar negeri. Why? Because we have to link what's inside the country with what's outside the country. Because it can't be separated. As long as I research terrorism, there is nothing truly pure from the inside. So, what I mean is that the intention is to trigger the problem of

Mr. Prabowo, raise the tax, bomb, etc. It has never happened before. But maybe this is a mistake too, because in the study of terrorism, we have several mistakes. But in my study, even Aman Abdur Rahman, who was the head of JAD, Jemaahan Suddaulah Indonesia,

who was responsible for the Tamrin bombing, even Abu Bakar Bashir, and Abdullah Sungkar, Imam Samudera, they were all connected to the outside. That's why my study focuses on terrorism. I've been researching on the internet, and I'm confused. Who is this person? Who is Abu?

I took it to the next level, to international security.

Because it can't be separated. But if what you say is true, assuming you are right, and the outside players, etc., it means we need to choose, Saitong. Or not?

We have to have… That's a good question, Om. Thank you. We have to have data in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. And it's time for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to be connected to the intelligence. Because we in apolar world like this, we can't play safe not because we're not safe, but because the country of Adidaya is unsafe when they feel unsafe, our country is also unsafe it's time

even though in every embassy abroad, our embassy abroad, there is a person called Perbinlu. That's weird. Why is it called Perbinlu? Because as far as I know, Perbinlu is the representative of foreign Bin. So, they are Bin's official

who are put there to collect intelligence. But in the embassy of foreign countries in Indonesia, it's not named. So, it's just a part of the embassy structure. If it's clear, why is it called Perbin? I'm also confused.

It's like the representative of intelligence.

But again, it means what? We need to decide. Let's go back to the question.

That's a tough question. Because we really need to have data. But if we look at Mr. President's actions, we can sum it up ourselves. Looking at what Mr. President did, we can conclude it ourselves. Look at his behavior. You're a smart person. You can conclude it yourself.

But the context is that if we don't choose sides, we can be destroyed. If we choose sides, we can be wrong. These are both risks, right?

That's why I'm proud to say that I support Mr. Prabowo. He said, support my government. I support it. I'm not an influencer, I'm not an artist, I'm not anything. I just understand this. Even influencers, the artists, have more protection than me.

I won't dare to say this in this situation.

Yeah.

That's about it. Have you ever talked to the government or other institutions that play an important role in this? We don't have to mention the institution.

Have you ever explained this? I have. I told him, I've told him, this is how it is, sir, this is how it is, sir, he didn't listen. It's okay. The important thing is to tell him.

It's okay. It's a fact. Maybe it's a lesson for him. I think Mr. Prabowo is watching this. Yeah.

What are you going to say?

What should I say, Om? Of course, I want to... I'm sure I said I support him. I'm by your side. Actually, I said it I support him I'm by your side Actually, I kept saying But as a person

A citizen Even though when I graduated from college in England I was offered a job in England with tens of thousands of pounds of sterling Tens of thousands of pounds of sterling Per month and all kinds of benefits, I'm going back to Indonesia. I just want to share and kindly, please kindly

try to understand I love Indonesia I'm sure you too try can you put this into your perspective? Can you?

Because this world is not small, not only Java, not only Jakarta, not only Indonesia.

So, one wrong move, you're going to be fatal. Yeah.

You're dizzy, right? You have a headache, right? So, what are you going to do after this?

I'm going to ask for a job from Uncle Dedy.

I want a job that's like a Yaman. Aren't you tired? It's your hobby.

It's my hobby.

You're crazy.

Where is it?

We talked about it. It's crazy. The risk is life.

Ideological, Om. You're ideological too. I know you. You're ideological. I know you low ideological Kenapa are the service it up and I hear long kind of transactional You ideological I know do it the return to cut your body low Nah, jadi

Tadi, gue menjelaskan apa itu. Tadi gue bilang, itu kan bahaya sebenarnya. Iya, iya.

Terus lu bilang tentang ideologi.

Iya, jadi ketika gue bergabung dengan TKN itu, meninggalkan penawaran pekerjaan yang di Inggris. Waktu itu kayak puluhan lah, puluhan ribu wangsterling. The offer of jobs in England at that time was like tens of thousands of pounds. I wanted to support the candidates that I really wanted. I wanted to lead this country. Because even abroad, I could see that it was really messed up. It was really messed up. It's really messed up abroad.

Yeah. Om, if you observe the politics of England, it's messed up. The politics of America is messed up. UK is messed up. There's an immigrant case. Abusing a child.

So, this problem means that for people who don't understand and don't know that this problem is a global problem?

Yes. So, there is a podcast by Mr. Gita.

Gita Wiliawan?

Yes.

Okay. The podcast is by Mr. Gita. Gita Wiliawan? Yes.

He said, he asked one of the professors that I met when I was in America. His name is Jeffrey Salk. He is an economic advisor. He is a construction advisor. He said, why is it that of dissatisfaction with the government now not only in the United States, but everywhere?

This is very important to be investigated. Why is it like a domino effect? So, this is not only in Indonesia.

Yes, why?

That's why I said it's important to be investigated.

Because it happened at the same time, right?

Do you want to pay for my research? I don't care.

I don't think it's reasonable. Because it happens at the same time, right?

Same time, similarly. It's like a month or two. Especially the PM of Thailand.

Yes.

It's just...

The Philippines is also crowded now. True. Malaysia was crowded yesterday. Yeah. Philippines is also crowded now. True.

Malaysia was crowded yesterday. Why can't we live alone? The world is not just Bekasi.

That's right. It happens everywhere. I think we should stop. After this, we'll look for a job. I feel like I'm wrong.

No, calm down.

But keep on fighting. I'm happy to be with you.

There should be a lot of young nationalists. Because nationalists are not sexy in the country. The sexy ones are the liberal ones. If you want to be a socialist or communist, you have to be sexy. Because there are sponsors. If you want to be a nationalist, like me,

it doesn't work in Indonesia. Because the government doesn't want to spend money.

I understand. Thank you for coming. Thank you, Om. Bye-bye. Take care of your health. Take care of your health. Take care of your safety.

Thank you, Om.

But we need people like you, Amrani Ngomong.

Thank you, Om. Someone has to do it.

Yeah, betul. And I support you, always. Please find a job after this. Because of our podcast yesterday. Thank you, Altaya.

Let's close this.

5, 4, 3, 2, 1. 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.

And close the door.