Dana White On Loss Of Charlie Kirk, Conor McGregor’s Return, Trump Roasting NELK Boys: 474

Ladies and gentlemen, it's Mr. Dana White.

Conor says he's coming back. You know, he wants to fight on this White House guard. We're going to be on the f****** south lawn of the White House. The fighters are going to walk out of the Oval Office. So you were saying John Jones and Aspinall confirmed.

There's been some criticism about the UFC having a superstar problem.

Who the f****** saying, I want to bring them on Air Force One. They get on the plane, and Steve's, like, the biggest Trump fan ever, so these guys are **** going crazy. And literally, at one point, Trump looks at me. He's like, you **** kidding me?

Yeah, you guys need to fight guys your **** same size.

Is that why you guys would let me fight Connor?

That's a good question. Your brother talks more shit than anybody that I've ever seen. Do you think that the relationship can be mended eventually? Into what?

As far as what?

I don't know. What, are we gonna hang out and f***ing go see a movie or something? I do not hate your brother. Your brother's out there doing his thing.

He made a diss track on you though.

I think we gotta ask you about this situation that happened this past week with Charlie Kirk. That's so crazy.

Whoo!

Is this one maxed out on length? Yeah.

Dude, how does Full Send get this done and we can't? Real knee slapper, no offense. Love those guys, was just with them all weekend. I know you guys are partial to the Full Send boys, okay? We get it, okay? Guys are big Nelk fans.

You like pranks and stuff, I bet. Well, guess what? We take shit seriously. We're not about pranks, okay? We're not pranksters. Steini's not gonna pop out of a fucking closet. So if that's what you're waiting for, you could leave. Sorry.

No, dude. He's like one of the only people in the world

that we wait this long for.

That's not true. He's the GOAT. Dude, I'll be honest with you. If they said he's going to be here in three hours,

I would wait.

100%, it's Dana White. It's Uncle Dana. He's one of the most influential people on the planet. I'm not moving from this seat. We waited for Trump to remember he iced us. He told us he had to go fix his hair.

And I started sweating.

Yeah.

And I wasn't sweating. And then he was like, fucking, I'm just gonna go. I'll be right. He said, I'm just, I'm just gonna go look at my hair. I'll be right back. Well, man, dude, this is like, I don't know. This is really happening. I don't feel like that with Dana. He feels like almost like a mentor, like a brother.

Who would never return a call if I tried to talk to him.

No.

He would call you back.

Yeah. Woody?

Yeah, for sure.

Okay.

Yeah.

I gotta get my clout up. I think he changed his new number. Really? Uh-huh. Why don't you ask him for it on air? I will. We both have asked for him today.

Yeah.

One of us will get what we're looking for. It ain't gonna be me.

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Out of the four intros that we've had for this show,

which one? Probably that one. I don't think we used that one. No, I'm not even be here. Joe, remember we had the crazy long intro for his other episode. No, you're lucky. We did because he was, we were in Vegas and he did the same. She pulled the same shit on purpose.

He's icing us. He's Dana is icing us. He wants to see if we have the in-ring composure to hang in the scenario.

Oh, what I was on Dana's car.

Yeah, but we're in a building. Where's the car? And also, what kind of car?

What?

Is it a nice car?

Move this?

Yeah, it's not on your shot.

This phone?

You can move the phone.

Move this Prime Energy?

Choose where the phone is.

Oh.

Yeah. I say we do a whole other intro. Nah, nah, nah, nah.

Did we run? That was it. I'm telling you, bro, something about that one feel, because remember when they said, yo, we love when the boys are just boys and they sit on the couch and kick it

and talk about funny stuff.

You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, but it's just you just talking. That's all right, so you try talking. No, I'm up a little bit. I know, I'm, talk about that. Okay, true. So I had a, I had a, like a moly, like, I don't know what you would call it.

Not a moly.

A growth?

That's a chocolate sauce in Mexico. I got a, I had a, what a growth. It's been there for a couple years and I finally made the decision to cut it off yesterday. So that's what you see. It's not that bad. It's really not that gross. It's not that bad. Mr. Mr. White ladies and gentlemen, ladies and gentlemen Ladies and gentlemen, it's mr. Dana White

Dana Dana Dana

You guys were in the studio, I don't know you were my room. Yeah, what is it? Where are we doing? This is this is like I don't know the green room You know where we hang out so great apex fights over here And I spend most of the time in here and watch it on the TV or go out there for oh This is like your your private. Yeah, like yeah, we have Christmas parties in here I know kid rock destroyed this room one year for Christmas party. Dude, I want to party with Kid Rock. I want to party with you too, Dan.

I feel like you guys throw down.

Nah, he only parties with the Nelk Boys.

He doesn't like us.

He don't like us.

Yeah, but you party with the Nelk Boys.

Yeah, yeah. I have a fun night with them. We throw a lot of parties. We have a party on Monday for our staff. We throw, try to throw, I don't know, I think four or five parties a year for the staff.

Big parties?

Yeah.

We just did a, do like a circus, like a fair over at the headquarters. Bring your kids and your family.

It's so nice. Huh?

It's so nice.

It's a whole.

You know, these people work hard and I love the idea of their families coming and hanging out and especially their kids. Yeah. Seeing where the parents work and making it a fun place for them. It's

a sick environment. This is my first time at the apex. Okay. We had you on three years ago. Yeah. And dude, even since then, it feels like you've just like grown.

Yeah. Like expanded the whole enterprise. I don't think TKO existed when we had And dude, even since then, it feels like you've just like- Grown.

Yeah, like expanded the whole enterprise. I don't think TKO existed when we had you on last time.

Yeah, I know. It's, yeah, and this is nothing. We're doing even more. This is nothing? Yeah, the construction here is never going to end. Literally, the construction guys,

they're the guys that built my house. I said, you guys just gonna be working for us for the next 10 years. Damn. Yeah. Hey Dana, there's some big updates coming out of the Nelk camp that I wanted to talk to you about. Coming out of what? The Nelk camp.

Okay.

Big. I think you already heard about it. Bob Menry finally got punched in the face. I did hear about this. You know how bad I've been trying to get this footage? I gotta see it. Where did it happen? So it happened at a hotel in Toronto, which I was like, God damn it, I have no juice in Toronto at all.

If it happened in Vegas, we would have that footage right now, but unfortunately it happened in Toronto and the hotel apparently wouldn't give up the footage, but I- You actually tried. No, I didn't. They did. Do you know the backstory of what happened?

He was being Bob Metairie, and Kyle got tired of it and punched him in the face. Now, Steine says that Bob went down and got dropped. Bob is denying going down.

We need the footage, y'all.

We need this footage.

We gotta the footage. We got to see it. The only way is probably through litigation at this point.

I can't believe Bob hasn't sued him already. It's unbelievable.

You could always pay a hotel, though. There's got to be somebody you could pay in that security footage is

sometimes tough. I feel like.

Yeah, especially if somebody being assaulted. Yeah. We're going to plaster all over the Internet, all over the world. Yeah. Yeah, probably a problem.

So are you excited about the $7.7 billion deal with UFC and Paramount?

I'm definitely not bummed out about it. That's a lot of money.

Yeah.

Congratulations, man. It's got to be cool building this company from what it was when it first started to

inking a deal like that? Yeah, I think one of the things, when I think about it early on, when we paid to get on to Spike TV, basically the narrative was, you paid to get on TV, you're never going to get paid to be on TV now, was what everybody was telling us at the time, but obviously not the case.

Yeah. So wait, do you get all that money?

What?

The 7.7 billion.

Yeah, me.

Do I get all the 7.7? I get all 7.7. You know, if you look at what we're doing right now, so next year with the Paramount deal, we're going to do 44 events, fight nights between fight nights and numbered pay-per-view events. I'm going to do 12 power slap events next year.

We're going to do 14 BJJ events. And then, you know, the new boxing deal I'm working on for 26. Think about it, boxing isn't on TV right now. Nobody has a TV deal. They're doing some disowned fights. Um, and I'll, I'll end up nailing down a television deal for boxing

and you know, we'll do 16 or 18 boxing events next year. So is the Netflix deal right now? Just a one, is that a one fight deal with Zuffa? Just, just like a fight. Yeah. Yeah. So we didn't even cover that we're here for Alvarez Crawford, for Canelo Crawford this week. By the time this comes out, it'll already be over, but what are your predictions? The same as every fight I ever do. I just want it to be a good fight.

I want the live in-house production to be incredible, television production to go well, and I want a great fight. And the difference between this and other fights is from the first fight of the night to the main event we have nothing but great fights. And we got a lot of guys on the undercard that are undefeated fighting other undefeated guys. So when I think about Crawford and this move that he's doing and he knows he's going

to have to be aggressive to win this fight, I think he's going to go after him, and I think he wants to make a statement. I think he wants to solidify his place in boxing history and financially, too. Obviously, this is a big fight for him.

Yeah.

It's a once in a lifetime opportunity.

Yeah.

And I think he's going to take it. And then you know Canelo. Canelo's a great counter puncher. Got good power. Good chin.

Yeah.

So I think it has all the makings to be a great fight. I got, I got, I got Crawford, a lot of people on the inside. Like, uh, like Crawford.

Yeah.

What's the odds right now?

Uh, it's like minus one 50. I think it's nothing crazy. Nothing crazy. You know, a lot of been on the fights, right? No, no, no, man, you, Turkey, Nick Khan, Ari Emanuel. And just like this, this overall combat move you guys are doing have created such like a powerhouse. It's it's it's insane, because it spans across more than just one one vertical, right?? You guys are even slapping people now. That's in the umbrella.

Listen, I told you a while ago.

You did.

You weren't wrong about that. It's just you couldn't have never controlled dealing with the athletic commissions and all the shit that you have to deal with with that. But these guys, we're going gonna do 12 fights next year. This thing's been going for two years. The total payout for these guys over the last, I think it's been two years,

is over $10 million.

For the slappers?

Yeah, that those guys have made.

No way.

Yeah.

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Well, because there's a lot of eyeballs. It's like one of those, like, let's be honest. We're like all watching for the car crash. And it happens almost every 10 seconds.

So I'll tell you something. So AJ Lee came back to the WWE and WWE had posted this thing about the social stats. It was like the biggest social thing of the year for them, right? And then my guy, Frank, who runs a slap said, this is crazy, but look at this staff for WWE. This is the biggest.

He said on our last slap event, we had over five that were bigger than this. Of just random- My God. Random slap.

I mean, it's a viral magnet. That's how even I'm sure it caught your attention when the guys were doing it in Russia.

Well, yeah, I mean, it was on social media. But what caught my attention was that, first of all, when, I mean, it was on social media, but what caught my attention was that, first of all, when I saw it, I was like, holy shit, this is crazy. And then what I found interesting is that I would want to stay on and keep watching to see who won. Interesting.

And I'm so fucking jaded, man. Yeah, so when you're paying attention, you're saying it's notable enough to like maybe sell you to the biz. If I'm this into this, what would happen if I did this the right way and turn it into a sport and same shit with the UFC?

Has there been anyone who has suffered any like serious medical, because sometimes they get slapped. I see their faces are like all contorted.

Yeah, but they're holding onto that stick. We had a broken nose. This girl, Peta, slapped, I think it was Dodson's wife and broke her nose. I mean, blood was just pouring out of her nose.

That's not that bad, like one broken nose.

That's normal stuff.

Yeah. Yeah.

Do you ever feel like overexposed? Like you have like an Elon thing going on where you just have so many like entities all running at the same time. Like, how do you, how do you manage them? Is it, is it a hiring thing and make sure you have the right

people to run each entity?

Yeah.

I mean, you have to build a great team. No one guy does anything themselves. You have to, you have to build a great team what you want to do. And then the people that that work with you either buy in to that or they don't. And the people that do you have you have a team like I have a team. My team is my production team now is so dialed in. Um, usually when they come to me with with spots and stuff

that we do, rarely are there changes if ever. It's the best feeling. Yeah, yeah. come to me with spots and stuff that we do, rarely are there changes, if ever.

It's the best feeling. Yeah. Yeah.

It's amazing. This is a very well-oiled machine.

Well, it's taken a decade and a half.

25 years.

Yeah, two decades and a half.

That's, yeah, that's insane. It's been 25 years. In the early days of the UFC, I had these guys that worked in production, and I would tell them to do shit and they wouldn't do it. One time I literally went in and kicked the fucking truck door and I said, if you fucking guys ever do this again,

I'll fire every one of you. And I fired every one of them and that ended up happening. But now my production team are a bunch of fucking animals, man. They're super talented. They're good at what they do. No matter how we're running or what we're doing, they get everything done and

everything done the best way possible. They even got everything done for us. Yeah, they set our whole show up today. They set all this up today.

They did everything for us even.

Awesome.

This is not our team.

He's pissed at us. This is not our team.

It's gonna be the best podcast I've ever done. It looks great. It looks, these cameras are huge. So yeah, you've partnered with the WWE and Nick Khan, you guys are working together. And I know you went to WrestleMania. Can I ask what your experience was like at WrestleMania? How you felt about it?

Yeah, I was blown away. First of all, I mean, selling out the Allegiant, at that time, you guys had the biggest gate in Allegiant history, which is huge. I mean, the Super Bowl was there and everything else. We just beat you with Canelo Crawford, but... Loser.

Yeah, it's impressive.

That's crazy.

Impressive.

Do you watch it as a fan or as someone who understands the business and are watching it like more from an entertainment standpoint?

Yeah, I'm not a fan. I don't watch WWE. I don't watch it. It's not, I'm into fighting, man. That's what I do. I, you know how when you go on Instagram and then you go on your search page, my whole

search page is like street fights and you know, that's what I'm into. I am definitely, I respect the athleticism it takes. I told you when you first started doing it, I said, man, you're a hell of an athlete. You're good. Thank you.

Yeah, it's impressive to a hell of an athlete. You're good. Thank you.

Yeah, it's impressive to see what these guys do. It's just not my thing. I want to tell them when I was younger I liked it.

I totally get it. I'm not sure how much overlap there is between UFC fans and WWE fans.

Probably not that much.

Like 10 to 20% maybe.

I'm not sure either.

Yeah. But I, I, I'm sure somebody around here has a number, but I don't. Yeah. Yeah. I hear you. But I mean, nonetheless, it does seem now with WWE and, uh, uh, UFC Zuffa boxing, you, you, it's almost like if you want to watch combat sports today, in some regard, you are in some way supporting TKO or like in their umbrella.

Yeah, I mean, do everything from pro wrestling to slapping to boxing, you know, we still got a lot of work to do. We have a lot of work to do. The boxing thing, I'm looking forward to. The jiu-jitsu.

I mean, I said it's going to cost me 10 to 12 million bucks. The first event actually made money. First event we ever did made money. But there's a lot of work to do, and I look forward to it.

How do you decide if you're going to add another, another, uh, entity or sport, like, uh, if you see those guys like fighting in the telephone booths in, in, in the UK or like, yeah, in Russia, they'll like see who can like unbuckle the other seatbelt and like, no, you're not.

Yeah. But where do you draw the line? Cause wouldn't slapping have been? Nah, it's just if I'm into it. Got it. If I'm into it and I think I can, you know, it's like the Fertittas. You know, when I started slap, you know, slap is outside of TKO. So TKO owns a piece of it.

Right.

The Fertittas and I own slap. And pretty much if I did come up with something and TKO didn't want to do it, I can literally raise the money in one phone call. So the Fertittas are in for whatever I want to do. With Zafa, you kind of like throughout the course of your career have been the MMA like anti-boxing guy.

Not anti, but like people looked at you when they were tired of boxing or bored of boxing. Do you feel like, ever feel like getting into boxing waters down that, that differentiation at all for you? No, I think that, um, you know, I took a lot of things from boxing that I loved and a lot of things from boxing that I hated when we built the UFC and I'm going to do the same thing on the

boxing side. Now, um, boxing done the right way with the right guys. Think about, you know, you guys are younger, but when I grew up, you know, Hagler fought Hearns and, and Leonard fought Hagler and, and, and, uh, you know, all those guys fought each other. Leonard fought Duran and, and a list goes on and on and on. And then once there was so much money involved and it got so big,

guys started ducking other guys. Then you got the sanctioning bodies in there. We think this guy's a champ. We think this guy's a champ. And then none of those guys would fight each other. That's when it all started to fall apart and break.

And we felt, me and the Ferditas, that there was a huge... First, what I saw was once amateur boxing, they had the box offs and it left, it was on like CBS or one of the big networks. And I saw amateur boxing starting to fall apart. I said, these guys are in. Boxing's in trouble.

And we jumped in and started doing our thing. Everything was about, everything in life is about timing, but it was, it's like my move into boxing right now is about timing. The perfect time. You realize nobody has a television deal and boxing.

There's some fights on the zone, man, that's it. What? And I'll come in in 26 with a TV deal. We'll put on great fights and we'll see what happens.

Do you think building the fighters is part of that? Because putting on great fights is one thing and that's that's that's the true test. Your matchmaker in the UFC is great, and I'm sure you're a part of that. There's three of them, yeah. The fights are always what you'd expect.

The product is amazing, is what I'm saying. With boxing, how important is it to have notable names fighting versus great fights?

If you take the Contender Series, have you ever watched it? So the Contender Series started, you take the best unknown guys out there that aren't under contract, you put together these fights every Tuesday in here. These fights are insane. Nobody knows who they are Tuesday morning, Wednesday. We just had this last Tuesday, number four and number one on SportsCenter's top ten was the Condender Series fights. And

now there's multiple world champions, guys who are ranked in the, you know, that is exactly what we'll do with boxing. You build these guys through great fights and great matchmaking.

On that note, I feel like there's been some criticism about the UFC having what some are calling like a superstar problem. Are you following that narrative at all? Do you pay attention to it?

Do you not? That narrative has been around since fucking, I was hearing the shit about Chuck Liddell leaving and George St. Pierre, what are you going to do? What are you going to do? People nonstop talk shit.

And you just started this interview talking to me about a $7.7 billion fucking TV deal. I mean, I could go through the metrics of this business from top to bottom. And I just told you that slap guys have made $10 million over the last two years, and the list goes on and on. The problem is that literally nobody knows anything about this fucking business. They all have an opinion, but they don't know jack shit.

When Ari made the move with Silverlake to buy the UFC. I would love to, one of these days I'm going to do a fucking, I'm going to put together like a whole documentary on this whole thing. He oversold, I mean he paid too much for it. This thing is peaked. The UFC is done.

They don't have any stars. They don't have this. They don't have that. There's a pillow in here that says, I don't know where the pillow is, it says Darren Ravelle.

What the fuck does Darren Ravelle know about fighting? Darren Ravelle was talking all kinds of shit about it. And here we are today having this discussion and we're in the UFC just signed this deal. We got power slap. We got boxing. You know, you got three of the biggest fights

in boxing history. I was a part of two of them, and I've only done two.

Which one were you not a part of?

Mayweather Pacquiao. Mayweather Pacquiao's number one.

Yeah.

McGregor Mayweather's number two, and Canelo Crawford's number three.

What's number four?

I don't even give a shit.

Wait, wait, wait, Dana, what if you're the superstar?

Yeah, I'm definitely not the superstar.

You know what I'm saying? Because it seems like...

No, but listen, there's a formula to this stuff. Yeah, and you know that, so that makes you a superstar. So when I listen to shit like, we have a superstar problem, or we have this problem, we have that problem, my response to that is, believe me when I fucking tell you, we have no problems.

Especially not with 7.7 billion. But they say more money, more problems.

But it's not even about that. It's not even about the 7.7 billion. It's about now, what are we going to do with these unbelievably brilliant and aggressive businessmen that are now getting in to Paramount and CBS? We all get together next week. We have a big conference. There's 60 of their people and my people getting together, and we're

going to start building what the next seven years is going to look like. You know what I mean? When you do what we do here, the money is what happens when you do what you do well. What is going on? Wait till you...

Everybody's... And I love as we go into a new deal and you hear this stuff like and and I would love to Hear who the fuck is the guy that's saying? Oh, they have a they have a superstar problem Tell me what fucking genius in the business, right? And even these boxing guys these boxing guys that I was arguing with ten years ago

Where the fuck are they all now? I think I heard Ariel Helwani say it once.

Dude, not this again.

But where are all these boxing guys 10 years ago?

I'm serious. I'm not trying to start shit. He said who?

We just got on the last thing with him. How's he doing?

He's doing well. He's doing well. He's upset that the relationship is what it is with the OC. Yeah. Yeah

I'm upset about it, too

Well, maybe there's a maybe yeah, maybe we can figure this thing out and yeah, we should probably all get back together I'm sorry. I used to do it on my vlogs. It's the entrance for my theme song. Hey, yo, I'm sorry I got two shirts up on WWE shop fanatics right now. I hate Logan Paul. Yes, I'm the one behind it. You gotta monetize the haters and still humble because after all,

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there's another bridge I'd like to maybe connect. Dude, is the burnt bridge with my brother unfixable?

I don't hate your brother.

He made a diss track on you though.

You know what's funny about your brother? So your brother talks more shit than anybody else on the planet. Now him and the warlock are running around trying to fucking sue people. They're trying to fucking sue people when people talk shit. And the Nelk boys brought this up to me.

And, you know, I'm sure there's people out there saying, you know, that they're fake fights, they're fixed and all this other fucking bullshit. But I think what people mean when they talk about it is, you know, he's gonna fight fucking Gervonta Davis. It's like when you- Who do you got? You guys need to fight guys your fucking same size.

You know what I mean? When you fought Floyd, you are massive. You're a massive fucking dude. Floyd's tiny. And I'm sure when you were training, you're like, all right, I'm gonna hit this guy with a couple punches and grab him, tie him up, and he did hit you with a fucking bomb

of an overhand right one time, and you fucking ate it. You ate that punch. And Gervonta, I think, hits way harder than fucking Floyd, but he's too small. I mean, your brother's gonna be able to, you know, get inside on him, put his weight on him, tie him up. But I don't hate your brother.

Your brother's out there doing his thing, but it cracks me up that they want to start suing people that are talking shit when your brother talks more shit than anybody talks.

I think the thought process behind it is... Okay, so Jake and I are obviously pretty polarizing individuals. And when an echo chamber starts and a rumor mill starts of like stage fight bullshit, which like these fights aren't staged,

you know, that's just, it's at that level, it's like almost impossible. I think they think that it affects the business and it affects the brand because people discredit him as actually having legitimate bouts. I think that's the theory. So to hold

people accountable for perpetuating the rumor. Legitimate meaning not fixed.

Correct.

Right.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Not many of the fights are legitimate fights, but not being fixed.

Yeah, I-

Like, hey, you hit me here and I hit you there type shit.

Yeah, I mean, Dana, that's insane. You're like- I agree. Like, let's choreograph.

What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do if people are fucking saying a shit? Yeah. Fucking ignore it and just keep doing your thing.

Have you guys ever sued anyone?

That's a good question. I don't think so.

Really?

I don't think so. But in 25 years, I mean, we've obviously been in some shit.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it happens. It happens.

Back in the old days, when we first bought this company, it was the wild wild west. I mean, people were using our trademark and it was crazy back then. But I don't think we ever had to sue anybody. We probably sent a couple letters out. Yeah, some letters out saying, Hey, knock it off, or we're gonna sue you.

I hear your I hear your critique on fighting guys. The same size as you. Is that why you guys wouldn't let me fight Connor?

is that why you wouldn't let me fight Connor?

Well, that's fucking if I can't hear you're fucking huge. Connor weighs 145 pounds. 155 pounds. Yeah, but he says he could beat me and I think people would tune in. But everybody thinks that I mean, everybody thinks if he said I can't beat fucking Logan Paul. I mean, come on. Yeah, yeah, you're gonna say that. He's a fucking professional fighter. Yeah. Um, um, but, uh, yeah, I don't hate your brother. I don't hate your brother. Your brother talks more shit than anybody that I've ever seen. You know, he's always

talking shit about the UFC and all this other stuff. It's like an obsession for him for some weird reason. But I don't hate your brother.

Do you think that the relationship can be mended eventually?

Into what, as far as what?

I don't know.

What, are we gonna hang out and fucking go see a movie or something? I mean, you know.

Maybe, maybe.

Maybe, I don't know.

I don't know, just to be cordial.

Just cause like.

Yeah, we can be cordial. I have no problem with your brother.

Yeah, yeah.

I have no problem with your brother. We are in the fucking fight business, man. shit flies back and forth. There are obviously, listen, if I didn't like your brother, I'd say I can't stand your fucking brother. And I wouldn't be shy about it. Yeah. Like many other people in the business, but I do not hate your brother. That's that's it's just I don't.

I appreciate you for you've always been very kind to me.

Yeah. Well, you know why? Because you're a very fucking normal person. You're normal and, you know, you do your thing. You don't talk a lot of shit. You know, you're a respectful guy.

I'll try to be. At least, well, not when I'm cutting promos. I can be pretty disrespectful.

You're in the fight business too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't look at, you know, you can't be overly sensitive when you're in this business. You can't. This is true. Or slightly sensitive. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Yeah. You've mastered that. I just don't give a fuck. I, you know, I'll be sitting right at a press conference with a guy who, everybody's entitled to their own opinions

and they can say what they wanna say. And even in the UFC, I mean, we've proven it with many guys, I don't have to like you and I don't like some of the guys that fight here. And they don't have to like me for us to do business. At the end of the day, it's just business.

You're coming in, you're fighting. I say it all the time, this isn't fucking tennis. This isn't Microsoft, this is the fight business, man. And sometimes it gets nasty.

So you don't watch the US Open?

I watch some of it.

You like Carlos Alcarez?

Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah. Yeah. No, I didn't see, I didn't see that game, but I saw the, the aftermath on, uh, on social kids. Good. He won. I'll tell you a crazy story afterwards. I got that. I heard some crazy shit. Anyways. Um, what did I want to say? Okay. Okay. Uh, I wanted to ask you, is Connor coming back? So Connor says he's coming back. He's in the pool. He's doing his thing. He's all kinds of footage of him training. You know, he wants to fight on this White House card.

We'll see. I mean, we won't start building that card till February. That's a big card. And then when's the election? The Irish presidential election.

That I don't know.

That I don't know. Because like, which one is he more focused on? All the polling is saying that he's gonna win by a landslide. No, really? Oh, hell yes. The polling saying he's gonna crush the election. So they're doing everything they can

to try to keep him off the ballot.

Whoa.

Yeah.

What?

60%.

60% said he would win?

Could you imagine, dude?

That's crap. I mean, I think Trump kind of proved that anything could happen.

Yeah.

Like, I think, I mean, at least to me, when he first won the presidency, I was shocked. I did not think he was gonna win. Yeah.

But he won America over. Nobody thought he was gonna win that first time.

You did, though, right?

Well, it's not that I thought he was gonna win, I backed my friend. The thing was at that time is that everybody was telling me, don't do this, don't do this, don't get into this. He's never gonna win. Well, I'm not doing it whether he's gonna win or not. He's my friend and he asked me to speak. So Trump was always really good to me

and he's still really good to me. I've had a great relationship with this guy for like 25 years. And yeah, I

mean, the fact that you have had that relationship with a president of the United States puts you in a pretty

interesting position. Because I get to, I've seen the White House a lot. And, you know, I get to do some cool shit. I've rolled in Air Force One many times and, you know, have had, you know, to have him, the sitting president, come to a UFC event and sit there and watch the events and interact with the fighters and the fans has obviously been, you know, an incredible highlight

of my career. But I have no interest in politics whatsoever.

I was gonna ask you that.

Yeah, no. No, nothing.

Yeah, everybody asks me that, but it just, yeah, you wanna talk about a nasty business, we're just talking about how you have to have thick skin to be in this business. If you look at what, you know, they tried to do to that guy and his family over the last

five or six years, absolutely fucking gross. So I would never, ever want anything to do with that. I got a good life, man. Love my life. Love what I do.

Is there a best part about being friends with Trump? Is there a cool perk? Like riding on Air Force One's got gotta be pretty sick.

The best thing about being friends with him is he's a great guy. I mean, I'm not looking for anything or I'm not trying to... Think about when we started the UFC and when he had us come to the Taj, right? To the Taj Mahal. The Trump brand was here, UFC, you know. It's hard for people to wrap their heads around how this brand was just looked at back then. And it was just, venues didn't want us, sponsors, television was terrified of us,

pay-per-view wouldn't even put us on, sanctioning organization, you know, the athletic commissions didn't want anything to do with us. So, you know, the way he supported us in the beginning was great. And anything that ever happened to me in my career,

he would always be the first guy to reach out. Well, you know, and that was when, you know, he was at his peak on television and, you know, in business and all the things he had going on, but he always reached out to me and was always a good friend. Are you guys purely friends?

Does he ever ask you for advice on anything or is it just pure friendship?

Like do you advise him at all?

And like advise him in what? Can you add advisor to the president? To your portfolio. Not advising him and... I don't know, anything, business, like... Listen, to say that I, you know,

I would say that I did leading up to the election, yeah. Campaign. Yeah. Campaigning. Podcast, potentially, like who to work with, talk to. All that stuff. That makes sense. I've told the story before, but I called Jared Kushner, who was fucking absolutely brilliant and

another great guy. And I said, Hey, listen, I want it. There's these kids called the milk boys. I said, just trust me on this one. I want to bring them on air force one with us to Arizona. And then Jared's like, yeah, you're asking this one, not me. So, so I asked him and he said, yes. So the Nelk boys, you know, Steve and, you know, the whole crew, they,

they get on the plane and we're in this, uh, we're in this room and, and Air Force One, it's like a, um, you know, like conference room with a big table and, uh, and then he calls us up to his office. He's got a big office on Air Force One. We get in the office and these guys, you know, Steve, and Steve's like the biggest Trump fan ever. So these guys are fucking going crazy in his office.

And literally at one point, Trump looks at me, he's like, are you fucking kidding me? And then we go to the rally in Arizona and Trump does his rally and he's leaving the stage and They're playing YMCA and doing this thing and and to his brilliance He saw Steve and Steve was going crazy and he called Steve up on stage with him and Steve had the whole place

Just erupt. He's doing YMCA and doing all this stuff. And then after that happened it was the most viral thing on the internet that day. And then the president agreed to do the podcast. Did the podcast with the Nelk Boys. It did like six to eight million views in a couple hours and then YouTube pulled it down. And then everybody was talking about it. And then from there on, you know. He really adopted the social media virality podcast circuit.

Maybe even contributed to the landslide. At one point I said to him, if you keep doing Fox and only Fox, you're never gonna win this election. I said, every other network out there says you're the devil and a Nazi and a horrible human

being and everybody on Fox is already voting for you. You know, yeah, this, this podcast thing is big. These young kids and a lot of these young kids are supporters of yours. So it seems so obvious to, and we started, he started doing all the podcasts and Kamala didn't finally come all it couldn't. She, we, we actually were supposed to have her on like after we had Trump on. So Rogan started doing all the podcasts. And Kamala didn't. Finally, Kamala couldn't. We actually were supposed to have her on, like after we had Trump on. So Rogan would not do Trump

unless he did Kamala. We kind of wanted to do both. Trump flew there, sat there for three and a half hours or however long it took, was late for his next rally, and didn't know one question. Everything was off the cuff. And that was the thing, my relationship with him, I knew he could do that. I knew, here's the thing with Trump

that I tell everybody, right? You hate him, right? You hate him, probably people in this room don't like him, whatever the thing, I'll tell you this. I will bring you to a dinner with with President Trump you will sit there for an hour you'll laugh your ass off for 40 minutes and then we'll get up and we'll leave and you look at me and go holy shit I said yep what did I tell you he

is unbelievable I mean we did it with Bill Maher, Kid Rock. So Kid Rock calls me and says, man, I set this dinner up with Bill Maher and President Trump and I'm freaking out, man. If this thing goes south, you gotta come do this fucking dinner with me. You know, I need somebody else there

to help me with this thing. So I called the president and I said, hey, you know, I don't just fucking show up because somebody invited me. I said, listen, Kid Rock wants me to come to this dinner with you and Bill Maher.

You cool if I come? He's like, absolutely, I'd love to have you in. We go in there, first of all, the president busts my balls all the time because most of the time I go there, I don't wear a suit, right? So you saw the thing that happened with Zelensky. Of course.

So Bill Maher walks into the Oval Office and we're all sitting there. Kid Rock wasn't there. I don't know where he went. He was doing something. But it was me and the president

and Bill Maher walks in and says, I need a drink. And you know, he's so fucking nervous. And the president says, get him a Coke. He's like, no, it's not a Coke that I need. I need something hard, get me something.

So they bring him a drink and he's like, there's no way I was showing up to this thing and not wearing a suit. And he looks at me, he goes, that's definitely from the Zelinsky collection. And then it was just, it was fucking awesome. We went to dinner and they started going back and forth

on things they didn't agree on and things they did agree on and by the time it was over, I mean, Bill Maher could not deny that he had a fucking great time. Bill Maher's probably been, you know, he's been, you know, hammering probably you know, he's been You know hammering, you know Conservatives and on the left for over 30 years. Yeah. Yeah, he's never toured the White House

Well, none of those guys had ever brought him out or to Trump gave him the greatest White House tour ever And then when he went on his show He said listen, here's what I can tell you. The man that I have hated for 30 years was not present at this dinner the other night. That's all I can say, and it's just, I'm telling you. I can tell you more people that I've brought in

that once they leave, they just go. People that didn't like him and didn't think that they were gonna, but he's the president now, so they felt like they have to have some type of relationship with him, and they all leave at dinner going, holy shit.

That was certainly ours.

I was gonna say the same thing. We had the same exact experience on the podcast. It's like you don't know what to expect, but afterwards it was like,

he's just so real that he controls the room. He has that real aura that people tell you about, in the room, you see it. And remember after the show, he like came out, he was like, you boys hungry? And brought us the coconut, had coconut shrimp like brought out to us. He was very like hospitable. He was super nice and definitely like changed my idea or perception of who he was gonna be

based on like what the media had told me for 25 years. People who really know me, I don't give a fuck who you are who you think you are. I have no interest in people that are just Douchebags, yeah, we're not good people. You know what I mean? And I was never Friends with President Trump because I was trying to get something out of him, you know Because he's gonna be the president and everybody said he wasn't gonna win. We're not when I was

Helping support him. I've backed him and done what I've done because he's a good human being. He's a great guy. Look at his kids, look at his family. These guys grew up with money and fame. None of his kids are fucked up.

They're all good people and they all get up and contribute to society every day. Jared and Ivanka are two of the nicest people you'll ever meet. That was the big thing with Rogan. So Rogan never wanted to be political,

never wanted to be involved in politics or any of that shit. And he wouldn't do a Trump interview unless he did Kamala. But the Kamala team said, you can fly here, we'll give you 20 minutes. We need all the questions ahead of time, like all this shit that he's not gonna do.

Because she couldn't sit there for three hours and go toe to toe with Rogan. I think they pulled out of our interview after we did Trump, right?

Wasn't that what it was?

No, I think we tried after we got Trump just to present both sides, or try to, and we meant it.

Which is the right thing to do in an election.

Yeah, why not?

100%. Us too, we had a similar experience. All she did was call her daddy, which she had the entire vote already, like very similar to the Fox model that you talked the president out of out of she just did call her daddy

And she owned that vote like she needed to she needed to do a lot that she didn't do but he crushed it

He crushed the whole the whole social side. Can I ask you? Uh, can I ask you do you know what they're doing with the hat that that he wore when he got clipped in the ear?

Do you know about that hat? No, I don't I Never thought about been trying to buy it. I love that. Why you want that hat? I want it so bad That actual hat that he was wearing. It's interesting. I wonder if they have that that's actually fascinating. I never thought of that

Yeah now Dana's gonna help my phone. Give me my phone That's Dana's hat now.

Dude, if you get that off this podcast right now, pretty awesome.

I am a collector. Crazy, crazy historical. What do you what do you script it out over there? Who are you texting?

Who are you texting?

I'll have an answer for you in a couple of minutes.

Where's that? I have to say. So the relationship with Trump and now this this this UFC card that's going to take place on the White House lawn. Fight fan for life. UFC fan for life, and since I was a little boy. It's gotta be one of the coolest things I've seen in the history of this country,

in sports meets entertainment meets politics. It's this weird trifecta. How? How? Was it because Trump thought this would be a cool thing for America, because you asked it?

How did this come about?

No, I didn't ask.

He brought it up to me. When you walk around the White House with him, like when he walked Bill Maher, and I've seen him walk many people through the White House, he's so proud of the White House and he loves it so much. He loves America. So he believes that the White House belongs to the people of America and he wants to do more things like kids coming in Easter doing Easter egg hunts and things around Christmas

and special events. I guess Obama one time had Elton John play on the South Lawn, you know, they've done some stuff like that But and I don't know if anybody was invited but the That's his thing

He wants to bring more Americans to the White House to experience the White House and so cool His thing is this is your house so Yeah, I was lucky. So he said we should do a fight here.

So it's happening.

It's like actually 100% happening. Absolutely happening.

How do you decide the headliner?

You know, what I wanna do is build, you know, the best card that we've ever built that just make people go crazy. It'll be live and free on CBS. Free?

From the White House.

Yeah.

Wow.

For the people.

Yeah. Oh, this might be like one of the most viewed fights of all time then, in that case.

I mean, even people in other countries would wanna see. And the way that we're doing this thing, like let's say, this is goofy, but this is the octagon, right? We're building this arch, almost like the St. Louis arch like this, and the lighting grid will go above the octagon. So when we shoot this fight, right, this

whole backdrop will be the White House. And then when the cameras move over and fight this way, it's all the Washington Monument, the monument on this side, it's all the Washington Monument on this side. Then there's a park that's sort of connected to the White House and we'll have 85,000 people.

Yeah, on a big screen.

There with big screens and we're gonna do concerts, we're gonna do UFC X there. We're gonna take over DC the whole week.

Wow.

Yeah.

How do you uh,

Yes, you get a text back. They have that

What's the plan with the hat Dude, it's probably gonna go into like a museum or something like that

Put the replica in the museum. Let me have the real one. That's great.

So you were saying you have John Jones and Aspinall confirmed. That's what you were saying before you started texting.

How much did that cost?

Yeah.

Dude, what's going on with that fight? We said Aspinall on. John Jones, since retiring and then coming back, has it clear. I want to do this and and you know, he sent me a text apologizing and all that stuff, but I need I need

People that I can seriously rely on for this one, you know people talk shit about Connor I'm telling you I've been in the fucking trenches with Connor Connor is a guy that has with Connor Connor is a guy that has fought injured Connor is a guy that a Fighter has fallen out and we slid in a stylistically bad matchup for him. He doesn't care He literally will fight anybody but does he care enough to actually make a fight you right now?

Like does he is he actually yeah, when's the last time before it's been when I have been talking non-stop And he's like I'm dead serious. I want this, you know, is he actually, when's the last time he fought you? He and I have been talking nonstop, and he's like, I'm dead serious, I want this. You know, I'm training, I'm back in the pool, I'm doing all the shit. So we'll see, we still got a long way to go. We still got a long way to go till February

till we start making this card, so we'll see how it plays out. And, you know, everybody always equates my, you know, whether I like somebody or not to money. We make money. We're going to make money. You know what I mean? It's like every time I hear the shit, oh my God, what are they going to do when this guy, what are they going to do when this guy leaves and all this shit. You've seen what we've done. I like people that I can count on that when we're in the fucking, you know, you're a couple

weeks out and all the money's been spent and all the marketing has been done. Who's going to stay in there? Who's going to stay in the fucking foxhole with me and fight this thing? And Conor McGregor has always been that guy. And people, like your brother, your brother, oh, he's owned. His daddy Dana won't let him fucking fight

and all that fucking bullshit. But Conor's been a solid dude. He's been a good fucking business partner is the way that I would put it. I feel like there's a lot of fighters that are listening to this

right now and taking some notes because it, because I'm not sure how many of them understand

the business. I'm sure you know this in your life and you know, it happens to everybody. For instance, when, when I, Trump asked me to speak at the Republican National Convention in 2015, I'd never done anything political before, and everybody told me, do not do this. Don't do this. And then you have to make a decision yourself. You've got people around you, and Linnea.

Linnea is our head of PR. I respect her very much, and she's brilliant brilliant and she's great at what she does. And you know that we'll be in situations and she'll come to me, this, this, this, this. I take what I feel is right or not and I make my own decisions on stuff.

It's what we all have to do in life. As men and women in your life and in your career?

Dude, a lot of life and a lot of, I think, successful people have a skillset in their ability to make decisions intelligently, swiftly, and hopefully the right decisions. It's an interesting skillset to be able to do that.

Well, imagine when the shit was going on and I said, nah, we're gonna go through COVID. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Imagine that one. So we almost had a fist fight in one of our executive meetings. Who? Who? Yeah. One of our executives fucking thought that that was absolutely not the right idea. Fucking freaked out and I said, you can go home. No fucking problem. You can go sit at home for the next fucking six,

eight months and I can't, I don't wanna hear any of your negativity. Don't wanna fucking hear it.

Yeah, so. I watched a boxing fight, I think it was Garcia Haney, or it was Garcia somebody in Times Square. They had a boxing fight in Times Square. I remember thinking this is really cool, like historic event to have a boxing fight in Times Square.

But watching from home, the ambiance was kind of lost because there wasn't that many people in the crowd to react to the fight Because it's obviously as you know times square pretty tight. Are you worried at all or are thinking at all about?

Um how the white house fight will look and feel on tv so there will be less than 5 000 people there I don't give a fuck if there's one person there and it's him I'll do i'll do this with no crowd, you know what I mean?

Yeah.

To be on the White House lawn with the backdrop being the White House, I don't care. This isn't about the crowd for me, it's about being at the White House. Because if it was about the crowd, I'd do it at the park that's connected to it, right?

I'd do it at the park, we could put probably, if I built bleachers and shit like that, we'd probably do 30,000 people over there. I can do that anywhere, in any park, anytime. We're gonna be on the fucking south lawn of the White House to give a shit if it's just my production people, I'm good.

Yeah, it's insane. Also the sphere.

And probably, and to be honest with you, probably pre-COVID, I probably would have thought differently about that. But you know... You proved you could do it. Well, it's not even that. It's like, some of those fights, we had nobody there for COVID. You know what I mean? Yeah. This isn't about the gate, the people, the energy. This is about the fighters are gonna walk out of the Oval Office.

When they walk, they're walking from the Oval Office.

Yeah.

Bro, even for just American history, this will be looked back on forever.

And if anybody, the fighters, the corner men, my production people, my PR people, this is a one of one, a once in a lifetime opportunity that will never happen again. Oh, this is gonna be a one and done. Like there's not gonna be like WNBA games.

There won't be a yearly fight at the White House, no. This is gonna be a one and done. Like a slap fest in the South wing or something. Somebody asked me, do you think slap will, I highly doubt it. Well, 5,000 people is a lot of people.

It is still a lot.

It's a ton of people.

How are you deciding who's on that list?

That's gonna be them. So obviously they're going to have, we're going to have some people that, that, that we're going to hope to get in to do it. Um, but they're going to have to go through extensive background checks by the government. Um, I think the easiest way to do it is just, I think what the president should do, you have a army, Navy, Air Force Marines, you know, just amazing military guys there. Yes, yes, absolutely. Also, they'll go crazy.

Oh man, they'll bring the energy.

And they should probably have like a small section for anybody that had them on like their podcast like prior probably, you know what I'm saying? Like just like a smaller section with like more of the front seats, like the front row area if possible.

Yeah, like us and Nelk.

Yeah, yeah, it's Theobald, Rogan. Yeah. Just like the whole squad should probably be there, you know? It's going to go, so they have the hat, and it's going to go in the museum.

That's sick. I don't even want to.

They didn't even want to weigh it out.

No, that's much better. That's much better.

Oh my gosh.

Yeah.

There you go. It's great quest. Something that's pretty, pretty cool. Yeah.

I'm a collector.

I'm assuming the suit to sue for sure. They've, they've, um, they've sold Trump suits. They, they, they, um, they cut them up and they put them in cards. Official official that not from that, that one, they haven't done that day. That one, they will or that one, they'll probably keep fully intact, but

photo matched. Hey, something made me sad over the past year, and that was watching my good friend Sugar, our good friend Sugar, have some issues with the same opponent twice. What's next for Sugar Sean? Do you have any plans?

Yeah, sitting right here off the top of my head, I don't know, but, you know, he's still one of the top five best guys in the world, so. I guess it's always a risk you take when you try to get that payback, because that second loss doesn't save you.

Yeah, but you got to go for it. I mean, listen, you got a second loss, but you got a second loss against the best guy in the world, you know? Murab is legit now. I mean, you, you, there were a lot of questions about Rob in the beginning.

There are no questions about him now. He's legit.

Yeah.

Yeah. He's very good.

But if you're going to lose and you're going to lose twice, you want to lose to the best guy in the world. Yeah. It's a with him. It's just it's like a stamina thing. Huh? That guy could just go Yeah, he's he is an animal Yeah, and obviously incredible. So Matt Sarah I I do a show called looking for a fight and He fought in New Jersey Murab and he won and Matt Sarah told me that guy's gonna be a world champ. Oh, no way

Yeah, he's a that guy's gonna be a world champion. I love doing the show with Matt and Dean. They're really good at They got a really good eye for talent Matt Serra's Pointed out multiple fucking world champions to me. Yeah, I Think we got to ask you about this situation that happened this past week

Really nasty stuff really really nasty stuff and just

One of the more terrible events that I've ever seen on social media or happen a real like

game-changing event with with Charlie Kirk

Just curious where you were when you found out

What your reaction was to it. Yeah, I think I just woke up and you know my phone was blowing up and Yeah, I was fucking blown away I mean especially when the video footage started coming out and and Now now they grabbed this kid who's a college kid. This kid hit him like that 200 yards away. It's so crazy.

I was actually surprised by how impacted my kids were. My kids used to watch him on social media my daughter, you know, she's 19 She's in college and she's been just destroyed over this thing for the last couple days You know, you have to feel horrible for his family and yeah, it's it's fucking crazy what do you think it does to the or how does it impact the concept of free speech and also people

who operate on the more fringe or radical sides of that free speech? Do you think people start to think a little bit more? Think about the past. I mean, the past, when you think about it, the guys that were like Kennedys, the Kennedys who were like president and held, you know, cabinet positions in the White House or Reagan or, you know, Lincoln and Martin Luther King. And, you know, to see it happen to a guy like that

that goes to college campuses and debates college kids is pretty fucking crazy.

It's really, obviously incredibly heartbreaking. It's also really scary because the fact that it happened during what he was known for, which was just peaceful debate and conversation, which was a pillar of American virtue,

like this country was built on people having conversation and talking to people maybe you don't always agree with and then hopefully reaching a resolution or even if not saying like we respectfully disagree. But I think that's a lot of the times how progress is made.

It's how all progress is made. I wanna say it was Reagan and Tip O'Neill who was the speaker at the house at the time. I guess they didn't like each other, didn't get along, obviously didn't agree on a lot of things. They used to get together once a week

to have lunch and talk.

Yeah.

You know what I mean? It's like, that's how it's supposed to be.

Yeah. Yeah, the idea of when you are unable to talk, shoot and go to violence is just so pathetic, it's so weak. And I think it's totally against everything that is America. And-

Do you think it is though? Because it certainly feels like we see more of it nowadays, but like gentlemanly disagreements used to lead to duels, you know, in the West, right? I think America is a country of... If you're fucking dumb.

Yeah, of course.

I mean, that's where you have...

Of course, of course.

Who the fuck wants to duel? I mean, I don't agree with abortion. I do. that wants to duel. I mean, I don't agree with abortion. I knew let's have a fucking duel and one of us has to die. If you're a fucking moron. Yeah, it makes sense. Um, and, and that's what happens with people who aren't intelligent enough to debate. Yep. Yep. You know what I mean? Cause the thing that was great about him is he could sit there and debate. And he'd

even say, I saw this clip of him where this guy said, don't you think it's unfair that you roll into a college and you're a pundit and you're debating college freshmen? And he said, well, I never went to college. Why don't you go grab five professors with PhDs? And I barely got out of high school. He didn't graduate high school.

I can't remember what he said, but... And he was the type of guy that could debate and never start to belittle you or make you, put you down or... Because what happens is when you can't hang in a debate, you know what? You're fucking ugly anyway, or it goes somewhere, let's have a duel. It never ended that way with him He would always he was smart enough and and and and had enough class that he could debate without

Dueling insulting I really respected how he would he Constantly put himself in environments where he felt like the outlier, like he went to that English college or university, Cambridge. Yeah, he did the I think he did Jubilee. And so he, he, he was really bold in his ability to step into a room and and be the person who he said he

was, which I really respected. Me too. He was absolutely brilliant. I mean, the guy was absolutely brilliant. And I've always said for like the last 10 years that this country is more political than it's ever been. I mean, you have kids talking about this shit. I didn't even know who the governor was when I was fucking 30. You know what I mean? And now you got kids that are 16 arguing over politics. But it's not good. I think it's really bad. I think, you know, everybody's weaponizing politics. You saw it with Trump. Now you see it with Charlie Kirk.

The world lost its mind seven, eight years ago, and everything just started getting fucking crazy. How much of that do you think is social media? A lot of it is social media, no doubt about it. We see things and hear things that ... You know what we knew, fucking 25 years ago? What the news told us.

Yeah, exactly. Like if he fucking told me a story, right? I'd either have to believe him or I'd have to go to the library, look up the Dewey Decimal System and see if there's a fucking book on it

that I could read to see if he was right. Now you just pick up your phone and fucking chat GPT or you know, and it's, you can find out everything. And most of the information we're fed is wrong. There's stuff on there that's, and it's only gonna get worse with AI.

You don't know what's real and what's not real. And it seems like people get a lot angrier now than they did in the past about this type of stuff. Fascinating.

Yeah, it does seem like that. I wonder why I feel like potentially, this is just a hypothesis, but maybe because there seems to be maybe more strength in community online, because if there's someone who thinks like you, or there's a like-minded, whether your thoughts are fucking preposterous or not,

and by the way, that's even an opinion, you can gather with people who identify the same way. You'd be a part of something. The same way you do, and it's nice to be a part of something. And then obviously like your algorithm will target you a

certain way, right? Like your algo is all, all, all fighting. My algorithms fucking Pokemon cards, but like you get, you get sucked into this. It's like a self reaffirming belief system where everyone is just telling you the same thing.

And it's only, you're only being fed that information. It's called a silo. A silo. So when you get confronted with an opposing viewpoint and you're not exactly equipped to handle it, it may lead to none other than just like, I don't know how to express myself, so now I'm angry.

And that angry manifests itself in really ugly.

Violence and all, it's true. And you know what? When I was growing up, I'm 56. When I was growing up, they put people in fucking nut houses. Okay? When you were fucking nutty, you went away. And we didn't run into a lot of nutty people, right?

I don't know what happened with that system or, you know, I do. Everybody's fucking nuts now. There's not enough, there's not enough nut houses to put all the nuts in. Mental health is our biggest problem that we face in the country. Number one mental illness. A lot of these people are walking around the streets and, and, and, you know, yeah, I don't know, man. I don't know what the answer is.

What I do know is I live in my own little world over here and, you know, we all got, me, my staff, my family, we all got a good thing going. I just live in my own little world. I believe in, I jump in and do my thing, but yeah.

And that was how I felt through COVID. my thing, but yeah.

And that was how I felt through COVID. I mean, when we went through COVID, which was one of the nuttiest things of all time, I said, listen, here's my response. The whole world can lose their fucking minds and do what they want to do. I got to figure out how to make sure

I don't lay off any of my fucking staff. I got to take care of my family and, uh, that's it. Yeah. And that's the way to be like, how much of the, how much of the stuff that people fight for nowadays are causes that have no impact whatsoever on their life. Like who, like who knows why this guy, there's ways to do things and there's ways to not do things. You have the ability to, um, protest here in America, right?

The fuck does that accomplish? You have the ability to protest here in America, right? Of course. The fuck does that accomplish? Show me one protest that's ever accomplished anything. It pisses people off. People can't drive, they can't do this, they can't do that. And it turns people against your cause.

I mean, during COVID, the governor that was here during the time, I had my own fucking arena right here. Wouldn't let me use it. We'll social distance. We'll do this and that. No, we won't let you do it. Now what I could have done is I got 500 employees and I got a bunch of fighters. I could have marched up and down the streets of Vegas. We want to fight fucking, you know what I mean? What would that have accomplished? Absolutely fucking nothing. What has in the past,

there's been some examples in the past, Million Man March, like places that- What did the Million Man March accomplish? What did they do? It was that that accomplished what they were up to? Don't ask me historical questions right now.

It led to the civil rights reform in the country in some way contributed. Blocking roadways, go fuck yourself. Get off the streets, dude. They did it in the National Mall. It was organized. It was, and you know, that's one of our rights as a country is the right to assemble, right? In protest of, so it has to be protected.

Ever fucking convinced me that a fucking protest, you know, created something fucking great.

So what do you do?

So what do you do? So what is the, so what you do is you dig in and say, all I knew is that I said, I need a fucking Island, right? Cause all I need to do, I need some fucking place where I can put a fight on, right? We're going to need power and all the fucking shit that we're, but I need for guys to fight. I need cameramen. I need some, um, uh, commission guys. Commission guys, and all I gotta do is beam this thing out to the rest of the world. I don't need any fans, I don't need any of that shit. I could have done it right here in my own building, but, you know, the people that were

in power at that time, for whatever reason, did what they did. And it never made sense to me. So you're telling me I can go to a fucking restaurant with a mask on, take it off and eat my meal, then put it back on and walk out of the fucking restaurant and everything's okay. But I can't do that over here at the apex and put on a fight.

So you didn't get vaccinated? Huh? So you didn't get vaccinated?

I did get vaccinated. You did? Oh yeah. I got vaccinated. I had to, I was flying. I had to fly into fucking Abu Dhabi and you had to be vaccinated to go to Abu Dhabi You didn't want to just fake it. No, I listen what I wasn't gonna do at that time is Go fucking lie. Yeah, right. So I'm obviously against it I didn't want to wear a mask or any of that shit and they were like, well, you know the whole fake vaccination If I showed up I was taking enough fucking heat, right? For sure. I was getting black. New York Times was writing about me all the time and all this shit.

Now, imagine I show up somewhere and they catch me with a fucking fake vaccination card. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's not good. Yeah. Any side effects you have? I don't think so. I mean... Which ones you got? You know what my thing was? I'm fucking 50 years old. I got kids, give us a fuck. What's gonna happen to me? And then the people start dropping dead of fucking heart attacks and shit.

But yeah, that was my, you know, but I wasn't gonna lie and do a fake vax card, but I got vaccinated. So what we did for our employees, so at that time, you know, some of these companies, if you weren't vaccinated, you couldn't fucking work there. You couldn't go to, they were trying to take your life away.

If you didn't get vaccinated, my employees, we had, we had it if you wanted it. And if you didn't want to take it, you didn't have to period. Same for the fighters. We have it if you want it. And if you don't want it, it doesn't make a fucking difference. We won't treat you any other way. It's America, man. Can't fucking tell people they have to take a fucking shot.

That's crazy. They do it for students, right? Like before you go to school for polio. They were doing that with the colleges too. The kids couldn't go back to college unless they were. But do you think that there's some instances

where it makes sense? Like if you're a parent and you've not given your kid- I have no fucking idea. Okay, why are we talking about vaccines in 2025? Fuck it. That's a whole nother rabbit hole that you can go down. I asked you last time you were on the show, we were talking about divide in America, and I asked you what steps you thought we could take

to begin to unite people. And I guess you already touched on it, but do you, which is having more conversation, do you feel like we're more or less divided than we were when you came on last three years ago? Well, up until fucking three days ago, I'd have said yes, I feel like we're less divided. And now this thing with him, you know,

it's blowing everybody up and everybody's fighting, you know, on both sides. I just saw the picture of the kid that they think is the shooter. And what do you think about it? What do you think about that?

It's fucking weird. You're gonna tell me that fucking kid that was in college hit him from two football fields away. So according to experts, because I've been reading all the tacticals on it, it's not an incredibly tough shot

with that rifle from 200 yards. It's a shot that anybody with decent rifle skills could hit and not miss by four inches in either direction. So that part of it doesn't like fit the whole, like any kind of like conspiracy thing. But man, it's just so, it's just so-

So the kid can go into a fucking college campus, set himself up on a roof with a fucking, with a gun. That's the problem for me. That continues to be the problem for me because while Charlie Kirk was being murdered, at the same exact time, a school was being shot up

in Colorado. What do we have to do? We did it with airports. I'm sure after 9-11, people were like, what do you mean secure every airport in the country with high technology and TSA agents and screeners and detectors?

Why the fuck can't we do it for school campuses? I just don't get it. Like, why can't we protect the most important people of this country, which are our children and people that are going to school to learn? It just does not make sense to me.

And you're not wrong. I mean, when I was younger, um, you know, we used to go to the airport and you would walk somebody to their gate, fucking wave, see a window and you know, all that shit. And now you can't even go in unless you have a ticket. And then before nine 11, I used to fly commercial, uh, everywhere, um, in the early days of the UFC. And I would literally show up like 15 minutes before the fucking flight was leaving and I

Catch all my flights now Show up an hour and 15 minutes before your flight that might be too late But yeah, I mean the world Continues to change and yeah, you're probably right. They need to start doing this shit at schools How could we like all that inconvenience that takes place when you go to the airport now, everybody eventually became okay with it

because they know it ensures the safety of the people traveling. So yeah, if it is the most inconvenient 10 years of the education system in the history of the world and everybody's got to get screened, there's got to be detectors, bulletproof glass,

break proof glass, police officers, veterans, by the way, that can be hired and used at these schools. Like there has to be some way. The thing that pisses me off is this idea. And it was one of the things that I disagreed kind of deeply with Charlie on,

which was that there is some sort of acceptable loss. That seems like such a cop-out to me, that there's some sort of acceptable loss to gun violence or to violence in schools or to violence in the system in general, that we just have to accept.

That seems to me like we're saying, we can't solve this problem. I know, but there's, you're gonna have, if people wanna hurt people, they're gonna figure it out, man. That you got these guys that drive down the fucking streets

with trucks and just run everybody over in a parade. You got guys running around the UK, stabbing people in the fucking streets. So do you think no one has tried to bring up a explosive onto a plane in the past 15, 20 years or wanted to crash a plane?

You know what I'm saying? But those people were all apprehended, right? Like there hasn't been an explosion on a plane since we, you know what I'm saying? So the idea that there is no solution is just such a stressful one to me. We're the most like capable country on this fucking planet

from a science, from a monetary standpoint, military standpoint, why can we not keep kids safe in schools? It just boggles my mind. I agree. Probably because the answer to it is,

and I went through this with the school that my kids went to when they were younger, because that shit was going on, is the answer is you gotta have guns at school. And you have however many students with however many parents, and you're gonna have the rah-rah,

let's get some fucking mercenaries over here to protect our kids. And then you're gonna have the other side going, yeah, no, I don't like that idea.

I saw this drone system that...

That's gonna change a lot.

Yeah, you're right. That's a good point. We can't be that far out. Within within five years, having like drone security systems that can basically protect and find and neutralize a threat.

You see the Tesla robot videos I have on my phone from the humanoids, the optimists. As this is, this isn't five years away. This is fucking now. Wow. And he's getting these things fucking dialed in and you're right.

You're right. The future is coming. The drones, the robots, all that shit is coming. I mean, that's a good idea. We were talking about security stuff yesterday. Flying drones around when you're about to publicly speak

is probably the best idea ever, it's simple. Everybody in this room can fly a fucking drone, you know what I mean?

That feels like a probable solution, potentially for at least public speaking.

Well, what about, not to get super deep into it today, I guess, but what about something simple like deterrence? There's a reason why the White House has a perimeter that if you breach it, you will be killed. You know what I'm saying? Like, why can't we set up secure perimeters around schools?

All I'm saying is there just has to be some solution. And that's the thing that pisses me off the most is just a lot of the issues that- The problem is most of the schools are public schools. And when you think about the school system, they can't even fire fucking teachers for Christ's sakes. Now that you're talking about fucking drones and systems, you know what I mean?

They can't fire a teacher if they want to. The school system is very broken. But even in some of these private schools, you're gonna have nutty lib parents and you're gonna have nutty right parents. You know what I mean? It's not like everybody's right down the middle

and they're gonna go, yeah, we all agree on this. It's gonna be- But on certain things you would hope they would, like the safety of their children, right? And it's just so odd. It feels a lot of times

like we're focused on the wrong issues. We've spent so much time focused on this conversation about abortion rights, that represents this tiny decimal percentage of happenings per year and transgender and these little tiny things and the safety of kids and the health of veterans and the health of us as humans. I went and spoke on Bobby's Maha panel

when they did that panel before pre-election. These things need to be more important, way more important. I agree 100%.

Well, hopefully in three years when we have you on again, we'll be sitting back and saying like, we're in a better place now.

I look forward to it. Yeah, I'm looking forward to it.

Man, it's always a pleasure, dude. Thanks for giving us your time. This was on short notice as well.

Likewise, thanks. Likewise, thanks.

Thank you.