⁠Dawood vs Rehman Dakait: Karachi Underworld, ISI & Drug Trade | Vivek Agrawal | FO483 Raj Shamani

Compare Daud Abraham vs Rehman Dakait.

Underworld. Rehman Dakait's aura was not there.

What was it?

They are very dangerous fighters. I can't even compare Illyari area with Mumbai's Dongri. Why? When Chaudhary Aslam tried to kill him, the encounter lasted for 8-9 hours. At that time, he had the most LMG,

a flight machine, with the police. He was carrying an RPG.

How much difference was there in money and power?

A lot.

Abdul Ibrahim is way above Rahman Dukesh in terms of money. I have a rough estimate of around 20 lakh crores. He has a footprint in 40-45 countries. He has a legitimate business. In their story, there is another player, Khanani brother. Both of them run the business of fake currency.

At one given point of time, there is a fake currency of around Rs. 2000 crores. And it keeps coming to India.

It's a huge business.

Yes.

The fake currency of around Rs. 20,000 to 25,000 crores is pumped to India. Why are we not able to catch them? How much did the Par Mafia economy cost?

Around 1 lakh crores. Only in Mumbai?

More than the amount of alcohol and food, the money started coming in in Neshawar.

How much more money?

In that time, 2 lakh rupees a day used to be collected in Suniya Mahal. And in the next 10 years, at least 2000 dance bars in Mumbai. And one time, the Grand Road's Topaz Bar became the biggest dance bars in the city. And one day, the Grand Rue's Topaz Bar became the biggest dance bar in Mumbai.

At one point, there were 500-600 girls. 200-300 of them would be on the floor. It was a 3-story bar. Every country has its own mafia. Russia has its own mafia gangs. In Japan, the Yakuza gang is considered the best and most organized gang in the world.

They still exist.

They have their own aviation industry, their own company, hotel chains. If they want to threaten a building, they threaten to bomb the building. And the punishment for the mistake is to cut the thumb. You have to cut it yourself. And if someone has rebelled, the direct punishment for the mistake is the finger cutting. You have to cut yourself. And if someone has rebelled,

the direct punishment for that is death. And death is when you are given a knife and you have to kill him. You have to commit an suicide.

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click the link in the description below. I was watching a video of yours where you were talking about Rehman the Kaid. And you said that Rehman the Kaid was greater than Dawood Ibrahim at that time. What do you mean by that? Compare Dawood Ibrahim versus Rahman Dukkaid.

The work that Dawood Ibrahim has done, especially in India, the level at which he has done it, if we go to compare it with Rahman Dukkaid, then it is a different matter. But if we go to compete with Dawood while living in Karachi, then even though Dawood Ibrahim is very strong financially, even though he is very strong politically, even though he is very strong from the point of view of defence and ISI point of view is very strong. Rahman Dukat's aura was not there in underworld.

All the people of underworld were connected with Dawood. Bhola was with him and many other people who were smugglers and all that. And through them, he used to work on blood diamonds in Kazakhstan. Secondly, he used to do consignment work for small arms. But the level and the dangerous group that Rehman had of Balochman, they never had that in Bombay.

What was that?

They are very dangerous fighters. They are not called Jihadis. They are fighters, they are fighters. And they go to such an extent that you can't even imagine. I can't even compare the Liari area with Mumbai, Dongri. The difference is to have a dog this a jameena Aswan ka farkeh.

Why?

Are humare haath to sala 9mm pistol istemal karli bohot jyada hua to AK-47 chalali. Woh log to sala MP4 aur pata nahi kaun kaun se toh guns rakhte hain. Jab Chaudhary Aslam sahab ne usko

raid kiya tha aur usko maarne ki of to Pathanwadi is not that far. But who has control over it? It is not of defense. It is not of system. Control is of Rehman Dukat. There was another person before Rehman Dukat, he used to control. After his death, Rehman Dukat took over. If a man like Reman D'gait takes Noora away, tortures her, kills her, and Daud or his team can't do anything.

Noora?

His brother, Daud.

Okay.

So Rahman D'gait took Daud's brother away.

Yes.

A story that is told, which was told to me by an informer, his claim was a little different from the claim of D Company. D Company said that Noora died due to heart failure or kidney failure. These two things were told to us separately at that time. From the sources of D Company or even Chhota Shakeel had also said this by giving two channels and inter them interviews. But that particular informer from Pakistan had to say that there was a relative of Rehman Dakaid whose land they had seized. It was a very big property, a very expensive property of Karachi. And they wanted to build a mall on it. In a tea company? Yes.

And to build that mall, he took over it and when he started asking for money, they were giving him 8-10 crores, whereas that property was of some 1000-1200 crores. He tried a lot, went to the police, went here and there, but he did not get any reprieve from anywhere. He did not get any help from anywhere.

Who?

That man, whose property was the landowner. So, somehow he was in some way in the relationship of Rehman Dukat or he was familiar. He went to Rehman. Rehman called Dawood. Dawood said something in his own way, about the information of the informer. informer information. After that, he picked her up from here in Karachi, from Clifton area. He took her and tortured her. He put cigarette butts on her. And his screams were heard by Dawood. Dawood said, leave her, I will give you whatever you want.

Whatever he said. But he didn't leave her He was shot six times and his dead body was thrown out of the city bank ATM center. After that, Dawood's special style activated the system and action against him started. 2009 the a particular day attack start kia, 9 ghante ke aas paas lage unko Rahman D'kaat ko encounter karne mein. Chaudhary Aslam koi choti moti sakhsiyat ka insaan nahi tha. Humare hain Hindustan mein khujne jaataun

to is tarah ki sakhsiyat jo hai police department mein mujhe bahumushkil koi yeh kya do hi milegi. There were 11 attacks on that man. 4 or 5 of them were suicide attacks. Once, a man self-detonated the bomb, while leaving his car, opening the door. He was injured, but he survived.

His car was in a mess.

This was the 10th attack. They were injured but survived. Their car was completely destroyed.

This was the 10th attack. The 11th attack was when a jeep with 110 kg RDX was hit by their car. They were killed in that attack. The terrorists and the underworld were also worried about them. Every person wanted to kill them.

The police officers there?

Obviously. There is no corruption. Why was it so?

He used to do his work. Why did Rehman Dakait have so much power that Dawood Ibrahim could not go to his area? Or did Rehman Dakait kill his brother openly and Dawood Ibrahim

could not do anything? Rehman Dakait had also established a killed him. And Dawood Hurram could not do anything. Rehman Daka'it had also established a political party. And the way he had taken control of the whole area, after that, there was no way he could move without his will. And there was a very violent team with him, who were always ready to kill.

They had the best weapons. One problem with Dawood is that he does not have that kind of firepower in Pakistan. Dawood has to use either the local gangsters or the system there, i.e. ISI and military.

Why not use gas power?

Because if he makes a gang and operates there, he will be exposed. use I made my own team and got my people killed. So, I will throw 10 crores in exchange for the work I have to do. There is no shortage of money. That's the thing for that. In the case of Rehman Daka'it, on the contrary, it was a team of people who were trustworthy. The killer or mercenary who is bought with money, he may not use as much strength to kill someone or try to do so. But here, if a person is attached, he will be ready to die.

I will give my life and I will take my life. There has been a fundamental difference between the two. And Dawood is at that stage of his life't want to ruin the blood of that level. So he did all this and left? Yes, he did all this. Secondly, if he ruins the blood there, then Pakistan will be a hot potato for him.

The government there won't it started in Dubai. When Dawood gang was in Dubai and murders started happening there, then the Dubai government was in a mess. There were two big murders. One was of Shetty and the other was of another guy. Two murders were done there outside India Club. So, because of these two murders, Dubai was in unsafe marketing. After seeing that, the Dubai government

said, either you stop this or leave the country. Where else would Daud go? He was a safe haven for him. So, that's why they slowed down their gang activities to stay there. But 93 blast was such a thing in which they couldn't stay there.

Because till then, the Indian intelligence agents had their approach. They could attack them, kill them, and get them arrested by pressuring them. So, that's why they had to go to Pakistan. and to So, the biggest benefit they got from it was that the matka network, satta and matka, especially cricket satta, though it is from India, but in a large number, satta and matka are played by the people of Pakistan. They get the benefit of that network as well.

They get the benefit of the route for drugs. local there was a network of either on Komal Taha drugs KJ root and Kafada on Komal Taha to also palaces established for both a drugs Kajal Sarah Sarah Kalejo key Tiger Maman Karta or Daoud Ibrahim Kisad me or ski bot to Khas dosti a Assad Karmakar tan to us to see is Ka that the network of Tiger Meman, to take goods from Pakistan to India and to outflow cash, that benefit is being received by Daud and is still being received.

Then, when so well connected, so much money, so many local dons, goons, a goon from a small area of Rehman Dukat, did he... He is not a goon, he is a don. A don from there... But a small area, not... Dawood has become an international criminal. He operates in multiple countries.

He must have a lot of money. He must have a lot of system. He must have more involvement with the ISI and police. He has bought politicians. So how does it happen that a local picks up his brother and leaves?

There are two things in this. If I say in the language of cricket, when you play on your home turf, you are very comfortable. And when an outside team comes, the weather here, the people, the crowd that is scattered around, and the home turf of the Indian team,

they are acquainted with this. They are not acquainted with it. They don't know how the ball will swing, what it will do, in which direction it will go. So, an awkward situation arises. They cannot perform well there.

The same thing was with Daud. Karachi is not his home turf. No matter how much support he gets. Isn't it? This is the first thing. The second thing is that you are in hiding. If you tear your burqa and show your readiness to fight openly, then the government there will not let you fight. They will not let ISI fight. Burqa fal kar ke aur khule aam ladne ke liye tayyari dikhate hai, toh wahan ki sarkar aapko nahi ladne degi.

Hmm.

Aisa hi nahi ladne degi. Kyonki unko is baat ka dar hai ki agar ye cheez hui, yoti hai. Toh diplomacy bhi naam ki koi cheez hai jo dekhni hoti hai. Bhale hi aap rogue nation hai. Lekin diplomacy phir bhi aapko samalni hoti hai. Toh wo doosra ek bada factor wo tha. Sabir ki hathya kardi toh usne poora Pathan gang barbaad kar diya Hindustan me, Mumbai me. the He was a man of God who used to pray five times a day.

He was shot in the head. Dawood Ibrahim was very brutal in this matter. He was very dangerous. He has never spared anyone who has done this. He attacked his family. How was he before?

Before Dawood came, there were certain rules. Dawood himself broke those rules. When he attacked other people's families, he started attacking his own family.

So when he was attacked by Noora, he got Rahman Dukkaid killed.

Yes. Obviously, if he is my enemy, I will not spare him. I will use all his methods, punishments, and strategies. He used all of them. So there was a change. It was fulfilled.

How much difference was there in both, in money and power?

Very big. In the case of money, Tawd Ibrahim is much higher than Rehman Dakesh. I have a rough estimate that he must be the owner of around 20 lakh crores. He has a footprint in around 42 countries. He has a legitimate business. And a lot of ill-gotten money is still there. If he lost his 1200 crores in just one bank, then you can think that to what extent he is the owner of that property. BCCI Bank, which used to be, as Bank of Credit and Commercial, was international.

Bank of Credit and Commercial International. ISI had established this bank to root its money. It had an investment of 1200 crores from Daud. When that bank went down, it's money also went down. In their story, there was another player, the Khanani brothers. In comparison to the Khanani brothers, the person who does the biggest work of Indian

fake currency is Vikram Parmar, alias 56 Tikli.

What is he?

He was in Mumbai earlier and there is a girl named Bharati Chandmal Verma, who is the daughter a malta hai. Poora ka poora jo fake currency ka karobar hai, yeh dono bhai mil kar ke hi chalate hai. Aur Vikram… Aaj bhi? Haan haan, aaj bhi, bilkul. Aur yeh dono bhai jo hai, yeh rehte hai aapke Karachi mein aur Vikram Parmaruft Chhapan Tikli jo hai, wo rehta hai Bangladesh mein. Aur Bangladesh mein three cities, Dhaka, Chatgaon and one more place, from there it pumps fake currency in India. At one given point of time, my Bangladesh's informer, after doing the calculation of these three places, he told that there is almost 2000 crore Indian fake currency at one given

point of time. So, there is so much stock and it gradually comes to India from the porous border of our Bangladesh. There are many ways to send currency to India. They have made big size slings, they pull the packet from here and it falls in our border. the tunnels are made, they pass out from them. And the fourth method is that our system is penetrated, so people come from there. The fourth method is that the legitimate import from Bangladesh to India,

it is concealed in that. And this is a very big business? Yes, yes. You can say that around 20-25 thousand crores of fake currency is pumped in India.

And why are we not able to catch them? Why are we not able to catch them?

It is a very discrete operation. It is such a discrete operation that you don't even realise. And because all that currency is printed in a banknote printer in Pakistan, out of our 22 security features, 17 have been broken. So, it is such an excellent print that even bank officials are not able to detect it or catch it. It is made in two ways.

One is fake currency which is printed in our country by Logbag printer. And the other is the one which is printed there. So that fake currency is printed in such a classic way that you will not be able to identify it with naked eye. If you do not know all the features, then you won't be able to crack it.

Who is controlled by this?

ISI is in control and through D company, they run a sustained operation to destroy India's economy. You told me about a person who operates from Bangladesh. He does all this under D company. Yes, he runs all this under D company.

Fake currency is still the biggest in India.

D company still runs it. It runs it. There is no one else. Fake currency, as I told you, there are two types. One is that fake currency is organized in a way to damage the economy. Your ISI is doing this. Which is being routed through D Company.

There are people sitting in India who print on their own with color printers. So, the fake currency that comes there, the numbering of that will be printed in 8, 10, 15 series. But here it is like that these people bring a whole car, and make 3 or 4 new cars from it. They make new kits.

And the original one is returned to the market, and a new one is brought in return. Then new ones are printed from it. So, the danger is very high in this one. In the color one? Yes. Because in this, there are 100 notes.

From 0 to 1, 0, 0, 99, the whole series of 100. If you do that series of 100, then you will feel that 0 to 9, 99. This is correct. The numbers have not changed. There is not a single number. So, you trust it. You is correct. The numbers are not the same. So you can trust it.

You can buy it. Although it is poorly made. They give you the whole car. Yes, that is also a thing.

But they can't copy notes so easily.

It is very easy. How many gangs have been caught here? How many people have been caught? From Mumbai to Delhi to small places in Viyar. So, it won't be that easy to replicate the currency. No, we are not going to apply thread to it. We are not going to do the marking of the metallic portion. If you take a currency and look at it, there is a particular mark on the side.

If you don't mind, I can show you. This is your 50 rupee note. Now here you can see a thread. But in this, your magnetic field is not in it. But when you touch the currency note, then you will get a bulging printing on some places. You will not get this thing in that. On the contrary, you will see this. So, this has a magnetic field. This thing is detected very easily by the machine. So, this thing, it a print in the color but it won't be magnetic. So it is something like this. Like this H is written here. This is a particular code. Similarly,

there is another one in this. This is a 100 note. Now in 100 note, see this is a triangle. This triangle means that this and these marks, all these together and to count the currency and to segregate it, the machines are used. Now, the printing machines at home, they will go to do it, these things will not be there, but it will be printed in color.

It will look the same.

It will look the same. to So, there are many features in such things which a common man cannot see with naked eye or understand. But people, like this is a 200 rupee note. Now, if you look at this 200 rupee note with your finger, you will see it as a raised note. You will get a feel. It will not be in that one.

Yes. But it is 500, 1000, 2000. Most of Pakistan has of these features have been broken by Pakistan. And as I said, 22 out of 17 have been broken. So what happens to the magnetic print and all that? Tammy, once it comes, it's done, drugs are done, a lot of small things are done.

When we were doing the briefing, I heard that a lot of circulation is through slums. And you said that slum mafia. That if there were no slums, there would be no mafia. What do you mean by that? What is slum mafia? See, the one who created the slum big mafia. And a big slum mafia of Mumbai became a minister of Gujarat. When I came to a newspaper in Mahanagar in Mumbai,

in 1992, when I joined here for the first time, I told the story of that man. And he was a big slumlord. He had developed such big slums from Andheri to Dahisar. And that man was a master of making slums on government land of jungles and mahagamesh. He used to make slums on private land. Then he earned a lot of money. He earned hundreds of millions.

How? What? What does it mean to make slums?

There is a way to make slums. You demarcate a land. I want to make slums on this land. I want to make slums, I have to make slums. Then what happens is that they target it, then send their men there and there they cut such plots of 10x10, 10x12, 10x15 and bury their feet here and there. Then in the market, in the market who need a house.

Which are found in Ifrat in Mumbai. Migrated workers from different places from outside. So, they are given a place in 2 lakhs or 4 lakhs or 5 lakhs or 8 lakhs. They are given a place with whatever money they get. or 5 lakh or 8 lakh, the place from where you get the money, they give you that place. There is no document, no documentation, no legal, that is not there.

And whose land is this? If someone's land is taken away?

Land belongs to the wealthy people, brother. It belongs to the government. What is the connection with that? Till the time someone comes over us, till then we will make it and leave.

Okay.

Number one. Number two. If a person from J&M comes, we say, keep the money. Close your eyes and sit. If it is a BMC land, we say, give the money to the BMC person.

If a police person comes, we say, give it to the police person. So, whoever comes, he is taking the money and going. So, you are happy, I am happy. This is the game. The politician of that place comes, the MLA comes, the MP comes, his boys come, spoons, spoons come, distribute money to everyone. Okay. So, the sweetmeat will break, distribute to everyone.

After this, what happens is that the people of these places set up a shop nearby. Or they set up two or three shops. Where they sell meat, where they sell stones, where they sell bricks, where they sell cement, where they sell sand. And these people, first, they have made this place, and all around it, there is some kind of stone or that blue colored plastic sheet. Or you must have seen the hoardings, the sheets used to be there, they were brought and tied all around it and made a roof of it and they adopted

it. That, brother, now it is mine. Then inside it, the bricks were put and the walls were built. Then the roof of the stone or asbestos or something was put on it. to I can put one, two, three more garlands on it. So, gradually, in this way, the vertical also started to stand, which was horizontal till now. And in this, if he was putting one more garland on it, then the man of the slumlord used to come and stand. Hey, you are putting garland on it, give money to brother.

So, lakhs of rupees, lakhs of rupees, then he takes more. If someone is getting repairing done, then he takes some more money. to lakh to lakh rupiah, phir aur jhatak lete hain. Koi aadmi repairing karwara hai, toh phir aur thoda bhat paisa jhatak lete hain. Toh is tarike se yeh slumlords ka khel chalta raheta hai. Mumbai Mahanagar Palika ne aise darjanon slumlords ko chinnit kiya tha aur on their behalf. And the police used to do the same. Because they used to get money from it. The people of the department who had the land, used to take a week from them and used to build these slums.

And they are still building them. No one is able to stop them. If you take a satellite imagery of 1994 and a 2026 one and compare them. You will immediately know where the new slums are. The mafia is being made in the name of poverty. This money goes to the mafia. This is called slum mafia.

Everyone is involved in this. There are police, politicians, officers, everyone is involved. Babu Shahi, etc. Everyone is involved. Even journalist RTI activists are involved in this.

You explained half of the steps. First you explained that a person, the slum lord you were talking about, he saw darkness, he occupied a place in Andheri, built a bamboo guard there and started selling people. 2 lakhs, 3 lakhs, whatever he could get from that.

Now slowly people settled there. Now what? Now who wants to go to the property? Who will go there? The criminal will go because no one else goes there. Their drugs will be kept there. Their contraband will be kept there.

Their fake currency will be kept there. Their weapons will be kept there. The girls who are kidnapped and brought there will be kept there. So, all these activities are carried out there. Slowly, slowly, slowly, a particular mafia is controlled there. The area where the mafia is present,

like the sector of Chembur and Ghatkopar, there is a small Rajan's, Dawood Ibrahim's South Bombay, Shetty, Jogeshwari, and this side. So, every person has their own areas. There is one in Thane, one in Badlapur, there are Thakur brothers of Vasai Virar. In their area, in the slums, their men take shelter, their work is done. India none co-op I go to a shy hey say I was

Nikita carry my child or go to a Jaga Ratna or a Kega or a Kega or a Kega or a Kega charred a week a to a smoothening Jaga Chaudhary a wabbi unkillable gonna have me laser go believe I have a I've been a charlotte

go beside yeah Joe on kill your comforter I'll take you a poor a work for him. You see, the whole setup of Varadarajan Mudliar in Dharavi, what was that? It was because of that Jhoprapatti mafia. The whole Mahim Matunga and the area around it, there he got 50 slums built. He kept his people in it. And when Varadarajan Mudliar or Varda Bhai Muslims institution So, what does a worker need better than this? First of all, there is a red light area near the house in that hut. His hunger is getting satisfied in 2 rupees. Now, he is saving 18 rupees.

If you want to drink alcohol, I will give you alcohol in this area. You don't have to pay 1 rupee for a pouch of alcohol. You will get it for 20 paisa. One glass is available for 20 paisa. I mean, it is the rate of that time. 20 paisa mein milgi. Ek glas 20 paisa mein mil raha hai sahab. Matlab uss davar ka rate hai. Toh uska, woh kahaan bikti thi? Koi building mein woh thodo thodo hi bikta tha woh. Slum

se bhi bikta tha yeh sab. Charas chahiye? Theek hai. Bahar ek anta jo hai woh 10 rupe to khel khalas. Usmein maine is ladke ki bhi kahani likhi hai. Wo ladka jo hai, wo bahut khubsurat tha. Uski skin tone, texture, yeh wo sab. Toh wo patha ladki ke waish mein logon ke murder karne jaata tha. Toh ladki ke waish mein hi wo bahar nikalta tha. Toh ladki ke to I used to stay in Dharavi. I went to see that place where he used to live. No one would want to go there. It's a narrow lane of 2-2.5 feet. The path goes through the middle of that lane.

There is mud and dirt below. People's water is coming out. You have to go there. And there was a three-storey house, someone else used to live on the ground floor, and he used to live on the first floor.

There was only one room, 10-12 feet. But in that area, not everyone is like that.

No, no, not everyone.

There are a lot of innocent people. But I am not generalizing it. I am not saying that Dharavi is the den of criminals. Criminals use it. It is not the Yakuza gang that we have made our headquarters. All the same people live in it.

Yakuza gang?

In Japan, the Yakuza gang is considered the best and most organized gang in the world. Is it still there? Yes, it is still there.

What is it?

I would like to say that D Company is like water in the Bombay. They have their own aviation industry, hotel chains, and all the world's legitimate businesses that they don't have. If they want to give a threat to the building, they say, we will bomb your building. So, the society or the owner of the building says, what do you want? Look, you have to pay me weekly. But we will not take weekly. You do one thing.

Give me the maintenance contract of this building. Now, in this maintenance contract, a person will come and work for them. But the contract of housekeeping which is taken in one rupee me leta hai, to yeh sabah rupee yaar dev rupee me leenge.

To yeh unka hafta ho gaya. Yeh is sarike se operate karta hai wo gang. Bahut secretive hai. Aur galti ki saja jo hai, angutha kaatne wali hoti hai. Khud ko kaatna hota hai. Theek hai. to cut himself. And this establishes that this man has made a mistake. And if someone

has rebelled or he has done something wrong against the gang, his direct punishment is death. And death is that you are given a knife and you have to kill yourself. You have to kill yourself. You have to kill yourself. We don't dirty our hands. That's the story. I had read about them a long time ago that in a city in Japan, they have built a building. Normally, their buildings are all black in colour.

They don't have windows or doors. There is only one door to enter and exit. And it is a 3 to 4 feet reinforced concrete building. Even missiles couldn't work on it. Now, you will think that if there is no arrangement to go anywhere inside it, then how do people come and go? That is a door.

But underground they have 50 doors to go and come, like rat holes. So they live inside it. They do one work from it. But their teams on ground, you don't know what they are doing. They have a chain of grocery stores. What don't they have? People in our country have not reached that level yet. Or like China's Green Bamboo Gang or Red Dragon Gang.

What is this?

All these work on the format of Yakuza. They are like shipping companies. They are like container companies.

How did Yakuza come into being?

Japanese criminals created it. The Sicilian mafia was born in America. Italian mafia was born. Because of which the word mafia came into existence. word exist. And basically, the revolutionaries of Italy came to power and later they got corrupted. So, there was a civil war and revolution came. And these people fled to America and later they did criminal activities there and that's how the mafia was born.

So, in the same way, mafia has been born in every country. There are mafia gangs in Russia, there are mafia gangs here. And every gang has their own work. All the gangs don't operate in the same way. Like, Russian gangs are mainly involved in arms smuggling, blood gold, blood diamond, and all these things.

Right? in blood gold, blood diamond, and other things. If you go to North Africa, you will find blood diamond, blood gold, arms smuggling, etc. In India and other Asian countries, there is a big business of drugs, fake products, human trafficking. So, there are different operations of different gangs.

But Japan is a very civilized society. Why are they not catching one?

It is not about catching one. We call it underworld because it is the underworld. to drug lord, Al Mecho, was encountered. People already knew about it. But under that, there were no information about how many other people work. So, it happens. Sometimes, someone's secret is revealed, or the secret is revealed, or the secret is revealed, then that person gets exposed. Then he starts working openly. Like Italian families, crime families, they, this is a big issue that people don't understand and people don't research or read about it. But the way we work in India, it is not like that in those places. They are very organized. Now, if I talk about Chinese gangs,

then Chinese gangs are in a very large scale in sea piracy. The pirates there, they fund them. And when they collect money from shipping companies in millions, then they get their share. Interesting. And they provide weapons with weapons on a large scale. They provide support. They provide speed boats.

They provide infrastructure. They provide places to hide. They provide unmanned islands. They get their settlements ready on top of them. They do a lot of such operations. We have never thought that our gang will do such a thing.

We don't have all that.

These are the parts of very organized companies.

Yes.

Like I will tell you about the Dawood gang, they were not able to do such a thing in India. So, this Jumbo set up a complete infrastructure for Dawood gang. He set up a news channel, a radio channel, a newspaper, a magazine, chains of hotels, motor vehicle showrooms hote hain uski chain tayyar ki, usne saare legitimate business waha pe kiye. Uska naam tha Jameem Shah. Aur young banda, behat khoobsoora, aapke saamne se gujrega ya baithega aapke saath pe toh lagega ki kya bada business tycoon but he was in all these activities. He was CEO of

D company of Nepal and he used to do all the work for D company. Giving shelter to people who went there, sending people to Pakistan or other countries to make arrangements

for that, sending people to India from there, sending agents of ISI to India, sending the ISI agents to India, sending the terrorists to India and sending them back across the border, corrupting the diplomats and the officers here, using the officials of Nepal and Pakistan in their favour. in In a Bombay style operation, a black Yamaha 100RX was stolen from Bihar. There was a killer named Uday Shetty.

He was hired by a boy from Dongri. He put the car in front of him. The car was stopped from both sides. He pumped a bullet in his body and he was killed. to So, this is how the underworld operates. This is how they prepare a facade to hide themselves. Interesting. Wow.

Which is the most dangerous gang or mafia in the world? We cannot name one. But yes, like the Mexican drug lord who was killed a few days ago, my goodness, I mean, the operations that I have seen of him and the team that he has made, have you ever seen the pictures of his supportive team? The attire they are in, it seems like they are special operations commandos. to six antenna, four antenna, which can easily connect them to each other up to five kilometers away.

They have such an amazing setup. They have reinforced bunkers. They have vehicles like the defense vehicles. They have such like the defense vehicles. And do you think that the US and Mexican armies killed him so easily? They had to face the opposition. And now the whole of Mexico is jealous.

Why are the Mexican people against this? See, this is basically a political encounter.

This is a political encounter.

This is basically a political encounter. So, the war against drugs that has been shown in Mexico, or the way the president was arrested and taken away to Venezuela, war against drugs to war hoga, yaani teesra, wo saaf paani ke liye hoga. Wo saaf paani se bada jo hai, aaj ke yug mein bhi, 2026 mein jab hum dono baat kar rahe hain, tab clean water jo hai, drinking water jo hai, sabse badi samsya bana hua hai. Lekin ab uske upar ek aur cheez aa gayi hai. So, now the new students of geography are taught that the next world war will be for data control. So, data is not a treasure.

It was about natural resources till water. Capturing natural resources. This is an artificial resource. The next battle will be for the capture of this. So, everything else is over. So, in the same way, the underworld also operates.

That it also needs control over something. It controls from there. The same thing, like you talked about Dharavi. Sir, who runs such a big Dharavi? Who owns a particular gang, a particular person, who has under-operations?

There was a time when Varda Bhai used to do it, Varda Dada used to do it. After that, one of his controlling authority got over.

Hmm.

After Varda's departure. Now, the small goons and goons in the local area, and the rest, the whole system is running, the politicians are there, small goons and others. And the rest is going on in their own system. The politicians there. Now, in these days, the biggest goon or don in Dharavi area,

if I say it in a true sense, is DK Rao of Chota Rajan Gang. He is currently sitting inside Dharavi. And he has been operating from there. Although he is in jail for some time now. He has been arrested in a case. at There are stairs made up of wood. You have to go up from there.

And people are spread out around it. They freeze every person. Or they keep track of who is coming and going. Without their consent, no one can come up there. What operations do you recommend? All these things.

How much time do you have to take out? If a new building is being built, then they will get their part from it or take a week from it. Or small operations like buying and selling weapons, drug dealers, although I have never heard of drugs. But all those things are there, who buy and sell, there are people from Satta Matka, take a week from them, take a week from the drug dealers, all these things are going on.

Now, as private players have come, they are removing slums.

Dharavi is going, a particular company has got the whole Dharavi cluster, now it will develop. So, now the Dharavi which is horizontal, after a few days, one part of it will be vertical. of The second is the freehold of the cell. A rich person comes to the building of a free cell. Or a rich person comes. Or whoever can afford it comes. So there is a society there. There is cleaning. For them, one thing is done, which is called the cell component. The second is the SRA component.

If you go to that building, you will not get cleanliness. The pipes there will be broken. The waste will be flowing from there.

But it will be made properly while building.

There is a big difference between the two while building. If the construction cost of the cell component building is Rs. 1, then the construction cost of all the buildings is 15-20 paise. There is such a big difference. They will have high-speed elevators of Germany. And they will have the third-rated elevators of India,

which will go up to 10 floors and down 10 times.

Interesting.

Okay.

We were talking about

slum mafia. Apart from slum mafia, last time you told us about a thing that we were left with. That is the bar economy. Bar mafia.

So how much was the economy of

bar mafia? Approximately 100,000 crores.

Only in Bombay and Mumbai. So, explain.

How did it become a 100,000 crore economy? Where did the bar mafia start?

The bar culture started in the 1960s. It was around 1962-64. In Mumbai, the Nariman Point area, which is the richest and best business district here, there was a bar on the second floor of a maker was built, Sonia Mahal. It had four owners. The work of those four owners was going on very well.

Because there is a bar in such a business district, so the business is also going well there. But those people used to travel the world, so one day they felt that to increase the business, something should be done. Bring some colour, some fun.

So, they felt that if we keep female waitresses, then our business will increase. They kept female waitress. Because of female waitress, if the matter of opposite sex comes, then by getting attracted attract more people.

It started going well. Then while seeing them I understood that if we keep music here it will be better. So, they started keeping orchestra, live band came.

Business got better with that. Because when a person goes to drink alcohol, he goes there for recreation basically. To spend some time Usse aur business badiya hogya. Kyuki aadmi sharab peene jaata hai, toh wahape wo recreation ke liye jaata hai basically. Hai na? Thoda samay bitaane, thoda fun ke liye. Ab aapke paas fun ke liye sharab toh hai. Lekin usse jude bhi aur cheeze nahi hai. Toh thoda sa glamour bhi add ho gaya tha. Ab isme music add ho gaya.i hai, aapke liye music hai, badhiyan jo hai filmy numbers baj rahi

hai. Thumri toh koi waha pe bachayega nahi. Jab ye cheez shuru hui toh unko laga hai ki yaar ab iske bhi aage aur kya ho sakta hai. Toh unhone kaha hai, ek dancer lao. Aur dancer people started spending money. When they started spending money, they thought that girls earn so much money and keep a cut from it. More money than the amount of alcohol and food started coming in the New Chawar.

How much money?

In lakhs. In those days, 2 lakhs rupees used to be collected in Suniya Mahal. In 60s, 2 lakhs rupees is today's 2 crore rupees or 20 crore rupees. In those days, beer was 7 rupees or 6 rupees. It was a thing of those days. It was 5 rupees.

So, you are getting lakhs of rupees at that time. It is a huge money. Yeah, very big money. So, that big money. So that started. Now when there is alcohol, there is Shabaab, there is kebab, there is money, so goons started coming. Then Dawood Ibrahim and Pathan Gang's Alam Jaib, Ameer Jada, they were all young.

Sabir etc. They all used to go there. They used to see each other. Konkani Muslims and your Pathan Gang. There was a natural fight between them. And it was that we are sitting here from the beginning, we are the father. And you guys from tomorrow cannot occupy our area. So, the fight between the two started. Sabir was a very smart, very businessman type of a person. Fighting, killing, dying, all that. He was a smuggling route boy. Dawood was very aggressive.

He couldn't tolerate all these things. He would react immediately. There were fights between them from Sonia Bar. That these people are looting money. Dawood ran out of money. So, he taunted them.

That's it. This is the situation. Come sit with us. we'll give you money. Fly. He couldn't tolerate this. His ego was hurting.

He was thinking that he is going to get more money by doing anything. He had a hundred ways to get money. Dawood and his group didn't have that much. They didn't have that much stability. They didn't have that much stability, that much network. They couldn't do big work without money.

Dawood and these people used to do small-scale watch alterations. Or they used to pick up two cloths from Dholakia brothers and sell them in the market. The money that they used to get from that, they used to do small things like this. These were the things that they used to do. They used to get money in different ways.

They used to get a lot of money from smuggling. They used to get a lot of money from smuggling and weekly income. So, their hands used to be strong. Their heart was big.

On top of that, they are Pathan. His heart was big. And he is from Pathan. He has his own reputation and status. So, there were clashes between both. And this clash fueled Sonia Mahal. So, it was made 50 times out of 1. And 500 times out of 50.

And in the next 10 years, at least 2000 dance bars were built in Mumbai. And in every street corner, there are Red Rose, there are White Horse, there are some, there are some, there are some, there are some Topaz. And one time it happened that Sonia Mahal was destroyed,

but the Topaz bar onaz Bar became the biggest dance bar in Mumbai. At one point, there were 500-600 girls. 200-300 of them were on the floor. It was a 3-story bar. There were different floors. There were many private floors.

I have seen them. private floors. It was such a place. And there were excellent dancers, excellent beautiful girls. You won't find such beautiful and amazing dancers and girls in the whole of India, which were in Dhopaz. There were many other bars like this. There were many in Dadar. There were many in Malad as well.

So, whose was Dhopaz?

It was a dance bar of four South Indian people. I remember very well that in 1993-94 mein jab main visit karne jaya karta tha, tab waha par beer jo hai kuch 400 ya 500 rupee ki hua karti thi. Jab beer ka taam jo hai shayad 30-40 rupee hua karta tha. Waha chai 100 rupee ki thi. Chai bhi 100 ya 150 rupee 150 rupees. Coffee was for 200 rupees.

Why like this? Because...

Because it's a dance bar. We will get as much money as we want.

Because there is so much demand.

There is demand.

And where did these people come from? These dancers and people?

From the whole country. From the whole country.

And was it legal business at that time?

It was legal at that time. But prostitution was illegal then also. But everything was fine. The girls did not supply in their building premises. But if there are so many girls, then who would come and dance with their will? Who wants to do bad things with their will?

So, there must be human trafficking.

There is human trafficking, but after human trafficking, these girls cannot get out of this mess, that's why they keep working. How do they come inside? There are many ways to come inside. bahaar nahin nikal paati hai, isliye wo kaam karti reh jaati hai. Andar kaise aati hai? Andar aane ke bahut saare tareeke hai. Bahut saare woh hai. Isme aisa hai ki, ek jaise meri ek kitab hai,

agle janam Bedi Nina ki jo, to usme uski jo community ki, Bediya community ki lalkiyan hain, So, the father, brother, uncle, relatives, they get the prostitution done from the unmarried girls. And they have a very ancient tradition of dance and music. This thing is not from today. These are things before the Taj Mahal was being built here.

Yes, so these girls come on a very large scale. Similarly, we have 3-4 other communities here. But I tell us have to you you look you have a lot of money but the other to waste a human communities. I want to get the other community. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Mansour is in the belt. So all these girls come here. Second, small girls are brought here through human trafficking. Or even older girls are brought here and they are first pushed into prostitution. Some of them escape from there and come here. Some girls from poor families teach their daughters to dance bars to teach them how to dance. But they also end up prostituting themselves.

Some girls come to dance bars because of family problems and lack of money. a bunch of girls aaya tha, dance bar mein. Wo asal mein aaya tha mil mazdooron ke gharon ki betiyon, behno, mahilon ka. Aur unhi ke bete, bachon mein se adhikanch jo hai, wo underworld mein aaye.

Aur shooter banein ya kuch aur kaam ki unhone. Yeh bahut, matlab, is shahar ka durbhagya hai, ki They have done it. It is a great misfortune of this city that such activities happened due to which the underworld also grew and the black economy of flash trade, prostitution and dance bar also grew due to them.

So, you were telling about Topaz.

So, it was running in Topaz. to pass dance bar is open for this day, so the first dance, the first dance was of her on the floor. And then all the girls would stand around the floor, standing away from the walls. And worship was done first of God. After that she would come to the floor with dance first and the first dancer used to give her the shetty. And after that dancer, the business used to start officially. Girls used to come to the floor to dance and the customers used to come inside.

This was the ritual and way of life there.

So how is it that at the same place, worship is being done and all this dirty work is being done?

After murdering, our people go to the court of God and say that I had asked for a prayer that my work will be successful, so I will give you one lakh rupees. So has God given him that power or from some grave or a saint or a shrine? Or has he been given blessings? No. It is his own belief.

So, the one who commits a crime has his own belief. Similarly, in every temple and mosque, the criminals used to go to the shrines and offer money. They used to offer chadars and garlands. This is their belief. Even today, if you go to the dance bars, they are running illegally.

There are temples everywhere. Everyone is there.

And the 2000 dance bars that you were talking about, were they maximum North Indians or South Indians?

The owners of the dance bar and the operational staff were mostly South Indians.

Why?

Because they are experts in that work. The most expert people in the hotel industry are South Indians. Today, if you go toiye poore Bombay mein. Even yaha tak ki aapko jo North Indian style ka bhi food bechne wala aadmi milega, woh koi shitti niklega. Koi yeh kya bolte hain Marathi asal vada pav bechne wala aadmi bhi matlab aapko shitti milega.

Kyun aise?

Kyunki woh log uss kaam me master hain. Why is that? Because they are masters in that work. They have the understanding of that business. They have been in that work since childhood. So, they understand all the economics, all the workmanship, all the in and out, black and white, green, yellow, they understand everything. So, now, as they are such powerful dance bars, they are such powerful people,

so many powerful people come here, People from underworld used to come here. For all these, probably,

the owner also needed to be very powerful.

The owner had money. And what could be more powerful than money?

Tell me.

Is there anything like that? There is no power and power. So, he threw away the money and did his work. The second thing is that many politicians, many police officers have been partners in bars or have been owning bars directly. The owner of four bars became a Chief Minister in our country. So, the story of the dance bar and their stories are very amazing.

Here, from power to youth and from money to underworld, I have seen everything selling. And I have not seen a black economy like this and a strong economy like this of anyone else. I have also seen the black money that is generated from here. How? If you are generating so much black money, then you will definitely need a black money transfer.

So, the transfer of thousands of crores has been happening daily. Here, we have seen cricket match fixing. Deepa Bar has been very active in this work. the lakhs of crores. She herself was not only playing satta but also became a small bookie. And in 7-8, the names of Sri Lanka, India, Pakistan, Australia and other cricketers also came out and said that these people are involved. And they were all honey-trapped to And then through his videos, these people were blackmailed and they were made to do match fixing. We have seen this there.

Coming back to Sonia Bar Topaz, you were saying that Dawood Ibrahim was a small player at that time. How did he become powerful? What were the things that made him attack more in the bar?

Dawood did not attack the bars after that. The fight that started between Dawood and these people, that fight was actually fought on the streets. After that, pistols and guns were fought with AK-47 and 56. Knives and swords were fought with choppers. There have been beatingsings in bars. Sometimes murders have also taken place. But not only in bars. The real fights have been street

fights. Street fights have also taken place in other countries. The way it has been happening in Chicago and Los Angeles, it has been happening in our country as well, in Bombay. That's why Bombay Mafia is called Mafia, it's called underworld. So, all that has happened. Murders have been committed in the courts here, in the hospitals here, in the jails here, bullets have been fired. Like, in the past few days, a bullet was fired on Abu Salim in Taluja jail, although there are a few different things that are said about him, why that bullet was fired, why it was fired.

So there are many such people. Your OP Singh's murder is being committed in Pune jail, by sending his people through ACP K. Rao. So all these fights have been going on.

So what happened to that external economy? Like where did things go from there?

Where did it go? The bar economy kept flourishing. And it flourished the most at a particular time when there was a boom in the share market. The boom of the share market economy flourished. It was established. In the share market, people started earning money blindly. I am talking about the time of Harshad Mehta.

And the neo-rich, the new boys and girls, who had earned money, they used to take it and reach the dance bars. The girls used to get it and reach the dance bars. The girls, the notes that he used to give them, the girls used to take it and leave. In the meantime, he used to reach the bed with them in their dreams.

And then to impress these girls and take them with him at night, these people used to throw thousands of lakhs at them.

Was there a Don who never not involved in all this? Never a bar dancer or bar?

There have been many people who have been in the dance bar and never missed it. Like I have never heard of Arun Gavli, I have never heard of Amar Naik. There have been many more people. I mean, they had no interest in girls or they didn't have any. In the old underworld, there was a lot of respect for women. And if they had to spend time with a woman, they would spend time with her only when she herself wanted it. It was not the

time to force. So, when was the time to force. When was the time to force? After the arrival of Dawood and group. But even then, there were very few people who used to force, even if they were in the Dawood gang.

You heard that bar dancers were the only ones who used to become the news of the police or other gang members.

This is absolutely true. But how does it happen? Girls do not become the news of anyone until then. They do not become the news against anyone. khabri ban jati thi. Yeh bilkul sahi baat hai, lekin kaisa hota hai ki ladkiyaan tab tak kisi ki khabri nahi banti hai, kisi ke against khabri nahi banti hai jab tak ki uske madh mein prathishod leni ki bhavna na jaage. Ek baburi hoti hai. To yeh chakkaron mein hota hai. Aur koi bhi ladki kisi particular aadmi ke baare mein information deti hai, wahan tak toh theek

hai. Woh sab ke baare mein agar de rahi hai toh fir woh informer hai. Ki yeh X person he is sitting there, you come." So, she used to pick him up from there. But the girls who were found out, they were killed. They were not spared. Because it is the rule of underworld, the informant is not spared alive. So, those girls were killed. Many such girls have been killed. Is there any specific fight between two gangs? Outside, there is big fight? It is behind the bar dancer. Behind the bar dancer, the fight, as I told you, that Dawood and these two, I mean, what

happened, there used to be a girl who used to take money from these two and Dawood used to attract her and give her money to bring her to him. And this thing used to make Amirzada and Alamjeeb very angry and because of that, there was a big fight between the money. And this was a big issue for Amirzada and Alamjeeb. And because of that, there was a big fight between them. Like you said that in a day, 2 lakh rupees, I am sure that it would have increased at

one time, a lot of money would have increased. In Topaz bar, in a day, Telgi had spent 85 lakh rupees on a girl. This is in our knowledge. Around 80 lakhs have been spent on Nikki Jaan at a time. This is the information I have. Nikki Jaan had a beautiful mannerism or a way of doing things. I have seen it with my own eyes. If Nikki Jaan targets a person that he has money and she wants to withdraw money from him.

She will come and she will pick up the glass of alcohol and place it on her forehead. And after that she will start taking the firan which is called chakr in Kathak language. And on every firan, other person who has a glass of liquor, has to pay a note of 100. And she used to do 400-500 frauds at a time. The second thing was that people considered her auspicious. I have seen her calling the rich people to her house to give birth to children or to bless them marriage of the rich people.

I have seen rich people calling him to their home, to the wedding dais. And he used to give 11 lakh rupees, 21 lakh rupees as a gift. He used to give saris, jewellery. I mean, his visits were of50 lakhs in some houses. She used to get so much respect in this society.

And what was the example of Telgi?

Telgi was a great thing at that time. I mean, she had earned money from fake stamps.

She spent 85 lakhs. He made 85 lakhs.

He made 85 lakhs on one girl. But it was a wonderful thing. Everyone used to talk about him in a different way. He used to go to dance parties with girls. He had a relationship with them. But I found one thing.

He had no interested in girls. It was amazing. He used to go, spend money, he used to show off his wealth, but he never let girls sit on his lap. Neither in a sarogenic way nor in solitude. This was the amazing quality I found in her.

And then, what about the bar dancers who were so rich? Like Nikki Jan, what happened to her?

Nikki Jan, according to her time, became old and out of profession. But she had some girls under her, so she kept dancing with them.

There were so many people, so much money, where did all these dance bars go?

See, when the dance bar was banned,

Where did the dancers go? The dancers must have earned a lot of money.

The girls who work in the dance bar, in their lifetime, are just like the girls who work in movies, call girls, prostitutes होती हैं, जब तक जमानी हैं तब तक कमाई हैं. call girls and dance bar girls, they bought flats and shops. Their age is decreasing due to their rent. Some girls got married to rich people. Their age is decreasing.

Did anyone marry a big tycoon?

There are many such girls. There are many. The owner of the hotel, he married her. One such stories is that the owner of the dance bar married his own dance bar girl. That's a good thing. Yes, it's a good thing. But the bad thing is also related to it. That girl had a doubt that he still has a relationship with other

girls from his own dance bar. So ultimately, he hired two or three people and got him murdered.

This is the story behind it.

There was a girl who got married to her own bar owner and she suspected that he was doing it. Yes, I am talking about the same girl, two or three people who were hired. He made her drink thallium in coke and alcohol for two or three months, which caused her about The symptoms of thallium poisoning had come to the body. This made the post-mortem experts understand that this was not a killing. This was a slow poisoning murder. And that girl and all those people were arrested.

So this is also there.

Many people have done such marriages.

Many people have done. And then all this kept going on and on. In 2005, everything was banned. What happened to the whole economy? So much money, so many people, what happened to the whole industry? See, most of the girls who became unemployed, many of them came directly to prostitution. Many girls went to Bangalore, Hyderabad, went to Kathmandu and West Bengal's Kolkata.

And they started dancing in the dance bar there. And the girls who became prostitutes, they became prostitutes. The result of the lockdown in 2005, the economy here may have broken down, but it didn't mean at the dance bar. A long legal battle went on, but this illegal economy remained intact. It stopped 2000 times, but 300-400 bars are still running.

Dance bars are still running.

So how does the network work now?

Does the same amount of money still run? Earlier, if a bribe of 10 rupees used to run, now it is 50 rupees.

But the money still runs, the economy still runs.

No, no, not that much money is left. Now, the whole business is not that big. Now it has become very less. Because earlier it was running openly. Now it is under-beneath, hidden. So, it is not like it used to run all day.

Not everyone has an entry there. Those who know or those who know people, they will give entry to the people who have come with them. And if you go out, you will see the orchestra playing outside. But as you go inside, the degree of girls, beauty of girls, all that increases. So, that is still going on. The police goes once a week, politicians go once a week, local journalists go, RTI activist, BMC, fire brigade.

All the people in this system, they get their weekly allowance. And this economy still exists. It was worth 1 lakh crore then, it is worth 10,000 crore now. But it still exists. No one can stop it. The world's oldest business is prostitution. Economists believe so. How can you stop it?

But there must be some solution to this. Today we are sitting in 2026 and we are talking about the slum mafia, bar mafia, prostitution, where people are trapped and can't get out. So, somewhere, somebody has to stop. How will it stop?

In any corner of the world, prostitution can never stop. In our country, it is illegal. Why doesn't it stop after that? Because sex is a natural hunger, whether it's a man, a woman, an animal or anyone. And if you try to suppress it, it comes up in a different way. I want to take you back to the past when a time when there was another economy in Mumbai, which was also called the black economy. And that was the video parlour economy. Video parlour mafia. In Mumbai, there were more than 5000 video parlours.

In which people were shown blue films by putting VCRs on a TV with VCRs and show people blue films. There were one-hour shows. Tickets were from Rs. 10 to Rs. 20. This work was done under the umbrella of the police and politicians. The film city road of Goregaon, on that film city road,

there were three video parlours running at a the aur uske aas paas me aur do chalte the. Patlab ek kilometre, der kilometre ke faasle me, paanch wo chalte the jisme se teen satay wey the ek doosre se. Yeh shop, yeh shop aur yeh shop. Aur teenon ka har show housefull hota tha.

Paanch rupe ka ticket. Das rupe ka ticket. ticket for 5 rupees, ticket for 10 rupees. There were 50s in Malad, all that. Here, the whole poor class of our place used to go to see. And from that, their sexual hunger used to come after satisfying. And used to make the police run. But it had a very negative impact and effect too. That from that, this and he was very excited, he would rape any woman on the road. There was a time when there were 5-10 rapes every day in the Antofill area.

Because at that time, the most blue film video parlours were in Antofill. The best way for this is to keep it going in a particular fashion in exchange for bringing bondage on the society, it should be allowed to continue in a particular fashion. So that the people of the civilized society can be saved. But those who are being brought and sold in this way, or those who are being used, the drug addicts and all, thereim, should be tried to save them. If someone is stealing and abducting small girls and selling them in brothels,

and if the police or NGOs are aware of this, they should definitely be freed. This is their first and last duty.

So, the reality of today is that where our country is progressing so much, there is a black economy operating. Is it only in our country? Or you feel it is in the whole world?

It is in the whole world. It is not like that anywhere else. These things are not so problematic in the USA. Because they have kept it very open there. There was a time when in Russia, everyone used to get a yellow health card. In which they used to get a health checkup every year in 6 months

and they were kept open to prostitution in a very easy way. In India, health cards are still issued to all girls. They also have a medical test every year. And every girl puts a card on her bed and tells the customer that she has a license. It is not a license, it is her health card. That you are clean with STD and HIV.

So, everything is still in place.

Yes.

The whole system.

See, without a partner, all these things don't work. Black money, lust for the woman. That's it. There are only two reasons. There is no third reason.

All right.

Well, thank you so much, sir.

Treasure of mine.

Thank you for coming here again and telling us reality, which has been going on for so many years and what is its history.

This is the truth, this is the society. People like us just try to bring it out. As much as possible, the society tries to save it by self-improvement.

That's better.

Thank you.

Thank you so much.

How are you, sir?

I am fine.

It's so good to meet you.

Thank you, sir.

Come, come.

Jail is the biggest university in the world that teaches crime. And once you reach there, 95% chances are that you will never be able to reform. And until you know the level of people you have to take them to, this work will not be done.

Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you so much.

Thank you. Thank you.

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