"De víctima a criminal por matar a mi violador" Yakiri Rubio | pepe&chema podcast

Opinions in this space are the exclusive responsibility of the person who emits them and does not necessarily represent the production's thinking. They start to tear my clothes. And in a defense movement, I put my knee on his bicep, he loses strength, and that's when I turn the knife around and I don't think twice, and I cause this wound in the part of the yoke that is considered the mortal. I find myself in a motorcycle patrol, I immediately refer to what happens to me,

they see me bleeding, with torn clothes, with the wound in my arm. At the police station, there was a place where you put the most wanted, the most criminal people, etc. Well, they put me on that page with my bulletin. I managed to see my dad, I think about 2 or 3 minutes, telling me, hey, they already told me that they are going to take you to Santa Marta.

The family of my attackers, when they find out that I'm going to Santa Marta, what they do is give me money. And they told me, someone is giving you a price for your head so you don't go out. My lawyer had two death attacks for taking my case. He's a judge that, for him, I was already the criminal. For him, I was guilty. And if it had been for him, I would have been in jail for 50 or 60 years.

Hi, how are you, friends? I hope you are very well. Welcome to a new episode of Pepe & Chema's podcast. Remember that I am Pepe and also Chema. And today I have the pleasure of meeting a person of whom I had already heard a little bit of his story through the system, a pretty impressive story.

She is Yaquiri Rubio. And Yaquiri lived one of the most surreal situations that you can imagine, or that story that maybe many people say, when I suffer, when someone assaults me, when someone tries to do something to me, I will react in this way. And when we are living this situation, we realize that reality is very different, right?

We may be in shock, we leave totally, but something very, very strong happened to Yakiri and fortunately she managed to survive and today he is here with us Jackie, thank you very much for accepting the invitation, how are you? Hi Pepe, thank you very much for the space. Jackie, you lived a story worthy of a movie, I think that from beginning to end, many, many things happened. What happened with your story?

I ended up with the life of my rapist and then I was imprisoned. It's a really strong story, so we we can remove it or jump from questions, okay? Sure.

When does this happen, Jackie?

This happens on Monday, December 9, 2013. 2013, it's been 13 years. 13 years. What happened? Where were you? How did this situation come about?

It was an abuse situation for a long time. How did this happen?

Of course, I was 20 years old at the time, and I had a partner of the same sex, named Gabriela, at the time. I was heading to the Doctors' Colony, in the famous bunker, where the Fiscalía de Delitos Sexuales is, since a relative of hers had just suffered a sexual assault, and she was going to report it, so I was going to be the accompaniment.

Was she already there?

She was already there, and I was leaving work. I was working with my grandparents at that time, in Depito, in a backpacking store. And I was going out to work, and that's how I decided to go with her. What time did you leave that day? This was around 8, 7.30, 8 at night, when I left to work.

The doctor's colony, to give a little context, is known, it's not that all people are like that, but it's known as a colony that can be dangerous. It is said that if you have a vehicle parked, they may steal your glasses, some situation like that. It is known for that type of situation, but it is also an area of ​​a lot of commerce, a lot of working people. And there is thisker of the DA's office is by that time, there's not much traffic in that area and it's pretty dark

exactly, that's what happened to me at that time I was leaving the Metro, I was walking to the DA's office and that's when they approach me, two guys arrive through a motorcycle and they start to bother me, a few blocks before they approach me on a motorcycle, two guys arrive and start to bother me blocks before they picked me up and what I, the truth is that I thought they were like the typical pimps that bother you on the street, right?

The motorcycle came to you, I mean, it stopped to bother you

Yes, exactly, it came next to me, so I mean, I really didn't pay attention, I kept going, I had my headphones and I continued my way. However, I stopped seeing them at some point and later they close. They close, they stand in front of me and that's when I said, no, they're going to rob me. The first thing I did was to try to take my bag off at that moment. What I thought I was coming. No, well, give them my things.

I mean, the truth is that you see many things that you think, I'm not going to risk my life, I give them my things, what can a cell phone, a money, change? And I was going to give them my things,

but they told me, no, no, no, get on the motorcycle. That was with rudeness, they showed me a knife, they got down and told me to get on. With other words, with strong words. Did you see their faces? No, the truth is that to be very honest, I don't know what happened to people,

but when the time comes when you accelerate, when you get anxious and scared, the truth is that the least you can do is see their faces, what you do is react instinctively, and that's what happens. At that time, obviously, I didn't even know them, I didn't know how they were dressed. The truth is that at that time, it was the least I could do.

When you heard the voice, did you feel that they were young, young, I don't know, 20 years old, 30 years old?

No, yes, I was like 30 years old. the one who was driving, the main aggressor, was already... well, at my age he was already old, and maybe the other one was younger than me, about twenty-something.

What do you do when they tell you to get in?

Unfortunately, I agreed to get in. Of course, they were putting a knife in you. I mean, it could have probably been like the difference of what was going to happen later, but I think he's in a state of shock, of fear, that the truth is that sometimes you react, as I tell you, instinctively, and I agreed to go up because of the fear.

The truth is that I did not imagine that everything I am going to tell you would happen later. Sure. Many people here could reach a controversial point, right? Sure. Why did you go up? Yes, exactly. Well, it's, you're not in that situation. When you're in that situation, you understand a lot of things.

You get on the motorcycle, they hold you.

Of course, they get me in the middle, so that the main aggressor is driving, and the aggressor who has the knife, who has it on the side, in the back of the ribs, is the one who is after me. So, at some point on this path, which was very short, which was very brief, it was a few blocks away, I thought about throwing myself, about screaming, however, given that the time was not available, that there were so many people racing, so many cars, I didn't do it.

So we got to this place, which was a few blocks away, and this place was a hotel at that time.

You got to a hotel.

A hotel.

Ok. What was that hotel like? I imagine it was a hotel...

A hotel on the way. A hotel on the way. They get into the parking lot, and when they get to the reception area, I realize that they greet each other, help from the hotel manager because I knew him. So what I did at that moment, if I shouted for help, was to complicate the situation. And I really didn't know what to do, what I wanted. So I go in, they lift me up, obviously the guy who came with the knife in the back gets off.

The other one lifts me up, the other one hugs me, he makes a kind of Chinese key, he hugs you and he disguises himself as if he were going up to a normal place, as if he were a couple. He takes me, he goes up to this hotel,

the other one stays outside, I don't know what he does, and I go up with the principal aggressor. To a room, and there we enter a room, a administration pero sigue funcionando. Okay, una pregunta, para este momento, ¿qué es lo que pasaba por tu mente? O sea, porque tú dijes, okey, ya me llevan a un hotel. ¿Intuías que se trataba más de un secuestro, de una cuestión sexual?

¿De qué pensabas que se trataba? Yo me imaginaba en ese momento que ya era un tipo de secuestro. Este, dado que se conocía con el tipo de la administración, Since it was known with the type of administration, if I had paid for a normal room, it would probably have been a rape, a sexual assault. But since it was known with the administrator, I guessed it was a kidnapping. In the end, they already know where something is going to happen and well, there. How many floors do you go up? It's just one floor. I go up one floor and there's a very small room and that's where he pushes me. Did he say anything to you?

No, not there. Only when he pushes me into the room, the first thing he does is ask me if I'm underage. What age was I? Are you underage? What do you say? ¿Qué edad tenía? ¿Eres menor de edad? ¿Qué le dices? Ahí respondo que no. La verdad, por ser muy sincera, en ese momento no era algo que yo viera que fuera importante el por qué me preguntaba la edad. La verdad es que desconocía. Más adelante creo que tiene un poco de sentido el por qué te preguntan qué edad tienes. Y pues evidentemente yo le contesto que tengo 20 años. Yes, and I imagine that being a minor is more risky for them, right?

No, what I understood later was a topic that probably happened, we didn't want to investigate it anymore, because the truth is that we barely obtained a fair justice, but we believe that it is a type of treatment network where if you are underage and have certain characteristics of, I don't know, thin woman, long hair, black, etc., underage, you can be used for sale. If you are older and you no longer work for sale, what happens? Obviously, you are sexually violated and they are going to kill you and leave you lying in a dumpster or a dumpster, whatever. So, I discovered that later, but at that moment, I didn't have any awareness of why they were asking me that.

Do they ask you that or do they ask you anything else?

No, nothing else. They don't ask me anything. That's when I start telling him what I did, what are you going to do to me, why.

What does he tell you?

He doesn't say anything, he stays quiet. Okay. I don't know, that's something I don't know either, but I have it recorded very well.

Wow, so you put that on...

I put on a towel and then when they start to attack me, they start hitting me, they start to rape me, they start to tear my clothes off, and that's when this sexual assault occurs, by Miguel Angel, the main aggressor. And what I was telling them at that moment was that not... many things happened.

They tore your clothes, you say?

Yes, of course. You... I mean, being in this situation when a person is going to suffer a rape, why do you think these blows are given before? Why not proceed directly with what they supposedly want? Well, I think it's a matter of minimizing yourself, of generating fear that if you don't let yourself, something worse will happen, right?

than a few blows. So imposing violence, generating fear, which in itself there was already afraid of before, and through these blows, it's like you have no choice, you either let yourself go, and you have the opportunity to be left alive, or you get screwed and you don't let yourself go, and then they kill you at that moment.

Wow, how strong, you at some force yourself, I imagine you put up resistance. Yes.

To a certain point, I think that from so many blows, so many things, one says, well, I have to resign myself to what is going to happen. Was it something like that? Yes, well, in fact, the force that I started with my aggressor, the truth is that it was not at that time, it was after the sexual assault. As I told you, I already seeing the characteristics of these guys, given the circumstances in the place where I was, the complicity that existed, and for what they had done to me, I knew that I was not going to leave that place. I said, I don't know what's going to happen, but I'm not going to leave here. So, obviously I let the sexual assault happen,

and at some point the second aggressor comes out, the one who put the towel, that second aggressor comes out of place, and that's when, during the moment of the sexual assault, he comes out. And what I do at that moment is to release this aggressor from me and start the first force.

How long would it have happened? I mean, we're not going to go into details, obviously. How long was this second aggressor in there and then he left?

I think it was minutes. I mean, for me, it was too long, but it was minutes. Okay, this guy leaves, the main aggressor stays, following his actions. Yes, of course. He was in the sexual assault when I realized that I was the only one left as the main aggressor. In my head I already knew that I was not going to make it out alive. I mean, given all the modus operandi that they had done, I already knew that I was going to make it. So what I did was to detach him from of me and start the first forcejeo.

What we do is I fall on top of him in the room, in bed, and it's when he, with his knife, what he does first is

he throws the first knife, which is the one that goes straight to my chest, I try to dodge it, it hits my arm, and it's the first wound I have, and it's like the strongest. Sure, where does it cut you? Here, this side. I mean, right now I already covered it, but it's the first wound and the deepest I have. And when he threw the first knife, I said, no, I'm going to die here.

I was sure that he had the intention to kill me. In the end, he had already attacked me sexually. And what I was going to do to defend myself, what I was going to do to defend myself, what I was going to do was kill myself. So we started this fight, I fell on top of him, I never got the knife, that's something I always have to say, I never could, he always had the power. And so when he did this from back to front, wanting to stab me,

what I did was put the palms of my hands on the edge of the knife so that when he did this, he would cut my palms, but the knife wouldn't go in.

So you held the edge?

Yes, the edge. And in a defense movement, I managed to put my knee on his right bicep, where he had the strength of the knife, so that when I put my knee on his bicep, he loses strength and that's when I turn the knife around and I don't think twice and I cause this wound in the part of the yoke that is considered the mortal Ok, it goes in directly Yes, it goes in and I make this cut

Like the cut Yes, of course

Impressive how at one point point you enter into survival mode.

Of course. Do you consider that you had more strength than normal? Yes, of course. Like I told you, the truth is that I didn't... I mean, what I wanted at that moment was to live, but I knew I had no hope. I mean, the truth is that everything was against me. You were resigned.

I mean, I didn't know at that time, but my aggressor, I was 20, he was 37, I was 64, he was 90, he was 80kg, I was 50kg, there was a total difference in all senses. The man, I was a woman, there was a difference, that biologically they are stronger, I was armed, the truth is that I didn't have any possibility. And today, I still can't explain how I'm still alive after 13 years. And in the end, I know it's a reason. I don't know if it's also a matter of the adrenaline you fill up with at that moment, of the fear. I think it's a...

And the survival instinct we were talking about too. The will to live. Wow, Yaki. What you're experiencing right now. When you manage to turn the knife and this cut is made, it becomes deadly. What happens in that precise moment? What is your thought?

Your thought is, I'm going to try to finish him because this guy can still do something to me. I'm going to escape, but the administrator is downstairs. What was that thought when, at that precise moment? Sure, I think there is no thought at that moment. And I remember it well. Rather, the moment this happens, the wound, like in the movie, blood comes out, all over my body, all over my face.

And what he does is throw me with a big impulse so I fly out of this bed and we start a second fight when he sees that I cause him this wound, when he sees that I defend myself, he continues a second fight we were literally fighting for a while that this knife would hit one or hit the other I mean, we were literally fighting for a while,

so that knife would either hit one or the other.

Yes, like in a movie.

Of course, I knew, obviously he was much stronger than me. And there came a moment when I lost, I said, I can't do this anymore, I mean, he totally beat me, and there came a moment when I got in a corner, I got in a corner, I got like small, I said, well, he's going to kill me. So what he did, I hadn't seen it, but what he does instead of staying in this room to kill me, what he does is that he starts bleeding too much from this wound and he worries more about saving his life than finishing killing me.

So what he does is pick up the keys from his motorcycle and leaves. He leaves this room. When I realize he's leaving, he doesn't finish killing me, I run out of the balcony and see him leaving with his motorcycle. He turns on his motorcycle, falls down, turns it on again and leaves. He goes to the left side.

I go out screaming, making noise. I come back, I manage to put on my clothes because I was half naked. You leave the hotel and go back in? I leave the hotel, I go to the balcony, I see that he leaves on the left, I get bored, some people leave, some people leave. I remember that I ordered a cleaning,. She saw me all bloody and everything.

I said, hey, girl, what did you do to him? He's a good, a good, a good young man, a good guy, something like that. And then I said, what? So then I got super angry, I got in, I grabbed my things as much as I could

and I ran out, obviously I came out on the right side. I mean, my fear was that if I stayed there one more second, my second aggressor would come back, see what I did to his accomplice, and finish killing him.

What happened to that hotel administrator? Do you see him at any time?

No, I don't see him anymore. The truth is that I left, and I didn't see behind me, I didn't see who... I mean, literally, my fear was that he would find me. What did you bring? I put on my pants, and in my hands I had my blouse, that I was putting on as I was leaving.

You were running in the opposite direction of this boy.

Where did you get to? Who did you get with? Did someone follow you? Sure. I was literally leaving as I was finding myself, and the few people on the street, I was terrified, but they didn't help me, the cars too. I only ran, and I really didn't know where I was at that moment. I had not gone to the Doctor's colony before, I knew it, of course not. And I think what I was doing was going around in circles because I just wanted that. So I find some motorbikes because the bunker is very close.

How much did you run? Sorry.

The truth is that I wouldn't know how much I ran, but I don't know. I think about three blocks, but I think I was running in a circle, as I was saying.

Okay.

And then I find some motorbikes that, as I told you, were very close to the place, Okay with the wound on his arm. And then there were some women police officers who approached me and said, hey, what's wrong with you? So I said, I mean, they said, give me the characteristics of these guys. So I gave them the color of the motorcycle,

what they were like, what they were dressed like, and so on. And then they split up, some went to look for them, and the others accompanied me to make the complaint, I told them to get me out of here, I don't want to be here because they're going to come and kill me. That's what I was telling them and we got to the bunker.

To the bunker. Did you bring a phone or anything?

Yes, I brought my bag and my phone. You don't make any calls? No, no, no. At this moment I'm in shock. I was shaking because I even mean that the police asked me if I had ingested any substance or if I had a drink I was shaking from the shock, the fear, the impression, everything

Ok, so how long did it take you to get on the motorcycle? How long did you take you to get on the motorcycle? What time was it? How long did you stay with them?

Sure, if I remember correctly, it was about 20 minutes 20-25 minutes In 20 minutes all of that happened? Yes, it seemed like forever but it wasn't

Sure, and it seemed like this was the end of the horror movie but it really started there. Now, they take you to the bunker, they take you to the prosecution, I imagine that to the

sexual crime or some different one, what do you do getting there? Sure, let's say this was 13 years ago, the tension was different. Nowadays, it seems that the judges judge me today, but I arrive and there is a railing, where behind the display is the MP. So he immediately tells me, refer to the facts, describe me. So I describe him what happened, how I was feeling, and then he tells me, after I tell him the whole situation and how I was feeling, etc.

He tells me, ok, wait a little bit, and that's it, it's like the bread of every day, and it's something that continues to happen today. And then, yes, but there's no empathy. There's a topic of victimization, of, ok, I don't care if they just raped you and wanted to kill you, you stay there, wait.

And then the group of policemen who had separated comes and they come with my second aggressor. And then my second aggressor does the first thing, he say, you killed my brother and then in the first one, I realize that my aggressor died

two remain as brothers and then he advances against me and the prostitutes separate them and what they do is, we have to protect you, we are going to put you in a room so they put me in a room, from which the whole situation changes. Ok, wow, how impressive I imagine, for that moment, what is it that unlocks in the head, what happens the moment they tell you, you killed my brother, does something change for you? Of course, one, I say in the end, I saw this guy alive, the last time I saw him, I saw him

alive, yes, but of course I always said it from the first statement. I produced two wounds in this procedure. One in the chest and the other one that is in the one that they consider the mortal, in the neck part. But I managed to see him alive and knowing that someone dies in the end, well, it's something that seems to be shocking to one and this and knowing that one did not kill him, you know, then this if it generates an impact and two

because they are also brothers, that is, it is another question that is how it is that of course that regardless of what this guy has done for the head of his brother, the brother will want to take revenge. So of course he's going to find a way to finish killing me. I mean, I think there were those two thoughts.

You say they put you in a room and change everything.

Yes.

What happened? At first I felt helped, protected, you could say, by the authorities. There was a police officer who was treating me well as a victim, as a complainant. Because that's another thing, right? Also, the complaint influenced me a lot.

I didn't go to hide, I didn't run away. I mean, I went to report what had happened to me. And after I was kept obviously unnoticed in this little room, that I didn't know what was happening, etc. That I was cooked, my what was happening, etc. I was in a lot of pain, etc. Hours went by, and I realized that there was a different treatment from the authorities towards me.

They gave me a lot of exams, like, hey, we're going to do a hair, nail, etc. exam. I accepted everything because in the end you always end up trusting the authorities at some point. Now, obviously, no. So you trust the authorities, they let you do everything, they don't read you. When my quality changes from victim to victim, they never notify me that I am being accused. They never read you this letter that they read you by right, where they say,

hey, you are already being investigated, etc. That never happens. They take my things away, obviously, I mean, they take everything away from me. And at that moment, I ask to go to the bathroom, and when they say yes, it's fine, they say, but a policewoman is going with you. There I realized that I am no longer being protected. Rather, I am being watched. So everything changes and I start to get very anxious because I say, no, what's going on?

What I didn't know is that while I was waiting in this room, the authorities were already solving the case. They were already generating a manipulation of the facts, of the place, of this hotel, creating a false story, a statement where they made me pass as the girlfriend or the concubine of the aggressor who dies and in an attack of jealousy, which is the first version they release, I kill him, after having simple relationships, making the people see that the second aggressor never existed. So that's the first story I'm making.

When did you hear about that story?

In the newspaper the next day.

In the newspaper the next day.

How is this part, this strategy of saying, you have to publish it in the media? Why? Sure. And before, now I don't know much about it, but before, in the prosecutor's office, there was a site where you put the most wanted, the most criminal people, etc. Well, they put me on that, they put my bulletin on that page. And then the authorities obviously get these yellow media out they say that they had caught the super killer, philosophical woman, the killer of lovers, etc. so the first version that the authorities get out was this

that I was a girlfriend and it was a matter of jealousy, whatever and that's when you find out, you reading the newspaper I find out that's what they're doing they hadn't told you anything before, they kept you silent obviously for this to happen, for the authority to say we are going to change the story, we are going to have to work more, it is because there is something bigger behind it. We didn't understand why the authorities had been so harsh on me. What had a 20-year-old girl done to them? Yes, she was a little girl, but what had she done to them?

Why did they have this way of generating a totally different version of the facts? And why the intention of criminalizing her?

When do you make contact for the first time with a relative, with your partner?

With my parents. My parents were obviously waiting for me at home. I didn't arrive, I didn't answer the phone, etc. So, they spend, before concluding the 48 hours, I spend sleeping, I sleep there in the bunker. And hours, I think hours of being transferred is when my parents find out. Because they are going to look for these entities. is and he says, there she is. And then dad says, I don't see my daughter. I mean, she's not my daughter. If her daughter is there, they already took her to Santa Marta. And obviously, no, she was there.

But my dad reads this story of the relationship, and he says, no, she's not my daughter. And he doesn't talk to me like that. I mean, what's wrong with him? And then they give him the news. I was like, oh, no, he's still here, I don't know what. And yes, I managed to see my dad, I think about two, three minutes, telling me, hey, I mean, they told me they were going to move you to Santa Marta.

It's going to be a very difficult place. Here we are. He didn't ask me anything, he just said, here we are with you. And I, so strong, strong, strong. And then, I let go, y este, entra en ese momento pues evidentemente mis papás no contaban con recursos para pagar a una buena defensa, un buen abogado, entonces lo que hace, tengo una tía que es abogada

civilista, y ella dice, no, yo les ayudo con el caso, digo, yo le agradezco mucho y le agradecí en su momento sin embargo pues no, no es lo mejor, it is not the best option in these cases.

Of course, this requires a different type of...

It is very different, the matters, I need a criminal lawyer and well, my aunt when she offers herself, she is thanked. So, when she arrives and it is the first time she interviews me, I refer to the facts, I tell her the facts and he says, no, you can't say you have a relationship with a girl, or that you have the same sex, you can't say that because here they see you very badly seen and from that point on they will criminalize you. So take it off, don't say you were there for that, that you came to a party and then you met them and for that happened, you can tell. And then my version, when I get to narrate my events, it totally changes. To the declaration at the beginning.

Exactly, with the declaration with the lawyer. Of course, without knowing that instead of helping me, she was really putting me on my feet, you know? And then, well, nothing, I mean, this continues to be generated, I go out in the middle, and they take me to Santa Marta and then obviously the media comes out at that time, everything, the subway, the refu... all, all, all the subway, graphics, everything

and so literally I came out on the front page like the super villain and then, I mean, it was criminal that... and then I went to Santa Marta and I was promised qualified because obviously having a concubine, they put me in the business and the advantage and they put me in jail. They don't take me to Santa Marta.

You arrive in Santa Marta, for that moment your life changes from the first moment since you get on the motorcycle in 30 minutes your life is already totally different to what you lived before and 48 hours later it is even more different Yes, of course

because even when I was detained for 48 hours I said it was really good to defend myself it was really good to come and report I mean, at that moment I repented and said

no, no, no I mean, having knownted it at that moment, I said, no, no, no, I mean, I had known that I, in addition to being kidnapped, of being sexually assaulted, that they wanted to kill me, I mean, after that and that I defend myself, I was still going to jail, I mean, it was something like, no, I can't believe it, I mean, I was there, but I didn't know I was living it, I didn't believe it. So I left Santa Marta. And I never imagined stepping foot in a prison I had never been arrested, in a police station,

I mean, none of that. The truth is that I never had problems with justice despite living and being born in a place, in a conflicted neighborhood. My family never did anything related to crime or justice. We were always a family that had values and culture.

One of the reasons I feel like I was born into this villain and this criminal and this murderer because they thought, they knew I was a thug, they said surely he was selling drugs, in crime, he is committing crimes something, surely he is involved in something in the family too, so here we have it, right? Without knowing that obviously what they were looking for was something bad in me, in my story, in the family, to just tell me, there it is, you know, and to be able to protect their dealers and neighbors. So, well, I'm going to Santa Marta, my parents obviously don't explain how they miss me so much, I mean, who were these guys who were reporting me because I was reported, and then that's when my defense ¿Quiénes eran estos tipos a los que me estaban denunciando? Porque yo fui denunciada.

Y entonces ahí es cuando cambia mi defensa. Y digo, ¿sabes qué, tía? Perdón, pero no, no es así. Después tiramos lo del noviazgo. Dijimos que evidentemente no hay un noviazgo. Y entonces dicen, ah, bueno, OK, no es novia, obviously to provide sexual services. I had a sexual issue with this guy

and after I got high, women get crazy when we get high and that's why I killed him. There were so many versions.

The MP was the one who said it.

Of course, of course, that's where they came from.

And that's what we refer to many times. Here we talk about how there are, many times the MPs have a work overdemand that doesn't allow them to move forward but they are also at the service of the one who leaves more money, not all of them, but a large majority are at the service of the ones who are going to pay more and the ones who are going to get more favors the MP, I mean, taking out these theories, what a son of a bitch, I mean, how is it possible that they lend themselves to this type of thing

and the worst thing is that they don't pay anything, I mean, they can lie and things and in the end most of the time, 99% of the time those people go home and that's it. Nothing else happened.

Sure, and many freedoms depend on them because in the end they can solve the prosecution, the people in charge, but from them it starts what's going to happen with your freedom. And then, just with the issue that I check that I have a relationship with a woman, I showed you a tattoo I had back then, my cell phone, the witnesses, we were able to throw all those versions. That really helped me, my aunt said she wasn't going to help me, that really helped me a lot. And then, well, they throw that version and we started from scratch. I know my parents, obviously, because they don't have the resources and they knew that my aunt was not the best option.

What my dad does is post on Facebook, at that time Facebook was like recently, it was not so new, in any media, he makes a post where he says, today I dedicate myself, today I stop all my cultural activities because he teaches salsa. I'm going to stop, I'm going to dedicate myself to the struggle and freedom of my daughter Yaquir. This happened to him. So, he briefly narrates what happens,

the injustice that they obviously imprison me for defending me, and he asks for all possible help. And then that post was shared many times, I mean, too many times, pide como todas las ayudas posibles no y entonces ese ese poco se compartió muchísimas veces a demasiadas veces y llega a manos y oídos de una abogada que se llama nacatiria suarez que es quien toma mi caso abogada independiente igual este 30 años me parece que tenía este hogar solita literal sacio despacho ella y su pasante nada más entonces ya dice ahora yo un mensaje le escriben su

apá dice hoy es unairia Suárez, independent lawyer, criminal, I think there are many inconsistencies, I see many mistakes in the case of your daughter, I would like to take it in a good way. And after that,

many, many requests come to her from lawyers, heavy lawyers, of prestige, her father, and then she says to his father, who are we going to listen to? And then he says, no, the intuition is like the first person who told us, I'm going for free and a woman.

And then they listen to Ana. And Ana, well, she meets me in the prison. I go to prison. I have a day of visits with his father. I finally manage to tell them what happened. My dad turns my voice, I mean, out.

And he tells me, no, obviously, I really didn't want to talk. I'm being very honest, in jail I said, dad, I don't want to talk, I don't want to say anything. There were many things, fear, shame, shame, there were many things. And then my dad told me, do you want to get out you have to talk, if not, you won't leave. And well, I had to talk and that day the visit was over. And I remember that, and that's it.

Hours later, some girls from the population arrive, who pretend to be family members of my attackers, and they are the first ones to hit me.

How many girls were there?

There were three girls, one of them stayed at the door, I mean, they came in to look for my cell. I guess that, well, at that moment Santa Marta was divided, right? One thing is population, another thing is income. So, the population ones had to be doing it in one and the others in another. So these women, the family of my attackers, when they find out that I'm going to Santa

Marta, what they do is give money. It's like, hey, the barman, I need you to silence this girl. And then they pretend to be her sister, of these attackers, and literally they look for me, they find me, they give me 10 pesos so that they can go to the other side, to some his Miguel Angel. They were going to say that I'm the aggressive one, that I'm, you know? I mean, what the media was saying was to give them the reason. So, well, nothing, literally let them hit me. I mean, literally let them hit me and that's it.

Until a guard arrived, he didn't stop, etc. So, I told my parents that, hey, they already hit me, etc. So, the tension was getting very complicated. Later, I had a meeting where I went to the infirmary to get the stitches removed. And there were other girls with spikes waiting for me to get stung. What this family was looking for was to silence me.

That same day?

Another day, on another occasion. On another occasion, and that's when I said, no, they're going to kill me. And yes, a nurse told me, they're going to kill you. If something doesn't happen here, they're going to kill you. If something happens here, they're going to kill you. And I knew it. Every day was a threat.

I'm going to go get you, and only when I see you alone. Literally, it was 10 days of not eating, not sleeping. It was the most difficult days after I went through these crimes at the hands of my attackers. It was 10 very, very strong days.

It was a real paranoia.

Very, very, very.

I imagine that all the time it was like...

I was alert. Yes, I mean, those were days, days of... I mean, I tell you, don't sleep, don't eat. I neglected myself. All the time I was shaking, all the time I was afraid.

I distr of everyone. I didn't know if the one in blue was going to kill me or the one in blue was going to tell me to be careful. I really didn't know. And at that moment, my parents were starting to call for a protest. My lawyer was starting to take the whole litigation issue because my case and my experience was in chaos. She was starting to get in shape.

And after they tried to kill me in that infirmary, is when the Human Rights Commission comes in and tells the director, hey, if you don't change this girl from the prison, they're going to kill her and your head is going to spin. And then the first order director was like,

take her away from here.

And they tell me, hey parents, there is a prison. Do you want to move? There is a prison. Which one? The one in Tepepan? I don't know which one, but get me out of here. I'm not going to survive here. I'm not going to survive and they change me. The first thing they do is transfer me.

And that's it. It's another very different prison with a smaller population. I mean, it it changes everything. And then with the work of the activists, my parents, who were pressuring me, and Ana, they reclassified me in the crime. A prison.

How long does it take for you to be reclassified in the crime?

I don't know, I think it takes three months. Three months is how long I was in prison. Three months?

Between the two prisons. In this second... In the first one you were in jail for 10 days?

In the Santa Marta I was in jail for 10 days.

10 days. What a terror.

Yes.

Then you go to this one in Tepepan.

That's right.

And there, what changes?

If you were still afraid, you were still paranoid, and in a moment you forget and you say... me I can't do anything, I can't talk to my lawyer, the only thing I can do is to behave, do things right, just because they are saying my voice. It was all I could do. And yes, I was much calmer, it was a prison where I made friends, a calmer prison where I slept,

I could have not so many nightmares, these things that I had before, at the beginning. You enter this prison with the clarity that you are innocent, but maybe with the resignation that you can stay there for many years.

Did you ever think that you were not going to have a solution?

Of course, my trial was in Santa Marta, and when I get the first hearings and they tell me that the judge who is judging me is the same judge who had been accused previously of sexual harassment by his ex-employees. He is a judge that for him I was already the criminal, for him I was already guilty and if it had been for him I would have been in jail for 50 or 60 years, which was what he was thinking of giving me as a sentence. So, I obviously had everything to lose. I said, how can a judge who is accused of sexual harassment be judging a case of sexual violence?

I said, it's incredible, and how is he still here? So, he is one of the most hated judges in the penitentiaries, where they say he is corrupt, He's still active, of course. His brother is actually in jail because years ago they found out that he sold freedom tickets for 500,000 pesos. There were criminals who could pay that.

And this judge that I had, he had failed the exam I don't know how many times and he was still there. He was punished in the men's pen's prison and sent to the women's prison. To judge women, not as punishment, but as punishment. And then, fortunately, the fifth criminal court brought the case, and that's when they say,

this girl defended herself, she did defend herself, but since the body of my aggressor appears with 14 stab wounds, not only with the two that I caused, he appears with 14 wounds, so he did defend himself, but he overreacted, so they gave me a misdemeanor with excess in the legitimate defense. So it's okay if you defend yourself, but you defended yourself too much.

Exactly. And that, in quotes, because apart from these wounds in the body that appear later on are wounds that I never cause and they are wounds that through a expert, that with the astuteness and intelligence of my lawyer

they manage in one of the hearings to get this body to appear not only with wounds before death that is, before dying, but after death, someone, exactly, post-mortem wounds, before he died, but after he died, someone... exactly, post-mortem wounds, that someone after he died produces these wounds that evidently I could not have been because I saw him alive the last time

and that with the last, the only camera you see and this one, and well I was already being helped when he was still alive, when he supposedly arrives to die. These post-mortem wounds are made with the aim of making the story make more sense. And one, there are two. One to just without placing this character of the super criminal and say, look, how he left it. And two, because we didn't know how much they knew. As I was saying, why did they miss me so much? Well, then we realized with these sheets that they make to my aggressor,

the cell phone. Call sheets. Who he calls, who he receives calls from. Exactly, because when he links it with a relationship, we throw it away. And then in these messages, he refers to my aggressor as a dealer of police investigation of this bunker. He said how much he was taking, what he was going to take, you know, and he mentioned names.

And then we realized that they were not only neighbors, because my aggressors lived literally next to the parking lot of one of the bunkers. I mean, he has two parking lots and one of them is literally next to his house. No, one was neighbors, two were dealers of the police, and three, my main aggressor, the one who dies because of my defense,

worked for the Superior Court of Justice as a charge of those who beat people and evict them when they don't pay. So, there comes where the link comes in, why they had protected these attackers so much, and why they were looking to imprison me.

So, they do these post-mortem wounds, which evidently there was no investigation, nobody wanted to get involved in that, because it was something else, it was to see who else had caused these wounds. And after this room reclassifies the crime and says,

ok, excess is the legitimate defense, it is a crime that is a term that at that time was only given to women, it was never given to a man. Because if a man defended himself, he was like the hero, the legitimate defense. But if a woman defends herself, it's like, no,

we're going to question her word. Because it is not possible that I could eliminate, kill your aggressor with force, you know? So, they reclassify my crime and give me a right to bail. I mean, I go out on bail. A very high bail. Of 423,000 pesos. I mean, the intention was that I didn't get out of jail. How long did you have to collect that? Because apart it's a long time. intention era que yo no saliera de la cárcel. ¿Cuánto tiempo tenías para juntar eso? Un día. Un día tenía y evidentemente pues mis papás no contaban con esos recursos. ¿Querías vender todo? No, ¿qué crees? O sea, yo soy la persona más afortunada no

solamente porque obtuve una justicia y porque tuve una buena defensa, sino porque la gente hizo una colecta. Entonces empezó a juntar esta cantidad de dinero para que yo pudiera and people started collecting money so they started collecting this amount of money so I could get out and this is how I got out under bail, with a group of people family, friends people who didn't even know me

people who didn't even know me because when the news was already saying that I was going to get out of jail in the other prison they were already telling me, hey, we heard someone saying your name.

Hey, I think they are... And they told me, someone is giving a price for your head so you don't get out. And the news was already anticipating it. So it was already very strong that I was going to get out, and Jackie was going to get out, and Jackie was going to get out. And then in those days that I didn't go out, because this judge, this... I had a judge who, I'm telling you, I had to go to Santa Marta,

he was very angry because they took my case and he wanted to give me 60 years, and he was very angry, he didn't send me a report, and he didn't send it to the new court. I mean, it was literally a mess, I mean, no. And then I stayed more days than I thought, and then I told my parents, please, get me out of here, because again, there is a price on my head.

There is a price on my head here in the prison. Until they manage to collect this amount and I leave with this term of legitimate defense with excess.

I imagine you counted the seconds, almost mean, almost like I'm already here, turning back.

Yes, yes, yes, no, I mean, not sleeping the last two days.

Like when you go out, at what point do you say, I breathe peace of mind? Because being outside is not a guarantee either.

Yes, no, of course not. Of course not, more than anything because my parents were dedicated to doing the investigation that the authorities did not do. Who was this family, what did they do, how strong they were and so on. It turns out that my main aggressor, Miguel Angel, had 21 previous investigations, then they were called previous investigations, today they are investigation folders. 7 behind lockers with different names and all with crimes with violence. My second aggressor had seven previous investigations,

as they told you that time, right? They had a dad at that time who was in jail, they had my, the ex-husband had a twin brother who was also in jail and was about to leave and who was obviously shouting at the four winds that he was going to avenge the death of his brother,

obviously he was going to kill me. And this, and well, a whole family that is dedicated to committing crimes. Miguel Angel, whom I take my life for defending myself, was a citizen at some point of a guy who calls himself the Hand with Eyes, that nowadays you can see on YouTube, search on the internet, a super bloody guy. And they were literally a family that was dedicated to this.

So that's why I wouldn't be surprised, and I wouldn't be surprised much, the fact that they had a trafficking network, where they just kidnapped, by the modus operandi, they kidnapped, and the modus operandi, the protection of the authorities, the complicity, the place where they lived, I mean, everything, that it was very easy to raise little girls, underage, to sell them, and those who didn't, they used them and killed them.

If I hadn't defended myself, it would have been another figure I would have had in a lot of trouble.

Wow, Jackie.

You go out, the first thing your parents do is take you to a house, to protect you you or what is this dynamic when you are already out?

Of course, no, I'm going to take you to my house, that is, my house where obviously everyone already knew where we lived, my aggressors, everything. As I told you, not having the resources to be able to move, to move easily, it is complicated, it's difficult. And also the fact that I couldn't run away, you know? In the end, I wasn't the criminal, I wasn't the criminal, I didn't have to run away. So we stayed and it was a year and a half that we got out of the process, after I got out under bail. A year and a half of being with my lawyer, literally day and night,

working with my file, providing evidence. It turns out that in this case, of 6 or 7 cameras that were in the process, where they pick me up, where the hotel is, only one camera was used, strangely, and it was the hotel's camera. I mean, I didn't record entrances, but I did record exits. Strangely, the only camera in the hotel. And that's where they record that my aggressor is going to one side, I'm going to the other side. And, well, nothing. Everything else...

Oh, and after that video, well, nothing. They break the trial and that's it. I mean, the truth is that there was a great manipulation in all senses. And so, my lawyer faced a whole system, super corrupt, super macho, where the same president and magistrate told her, hey, don't you want to be the new girlfriend of the magistrate? I mean, that my lawyer, because she was a woman, the truth is that they didn't respect her, they generated this part of harassment, this part of imposition, do it. Leave her alone. And a year and a half later, they're back at it.

The judge recognizes that there was a legitimate defense. And that there was no excessive force in theory. Exactly. And also, when I cause this wound, which is considered fatal, the guy doesn't die in the hotel, he doesn't die in the room, he dies later, because the version of the brother is that portal, no se muere el tipo en el hotel, no se muere en la habitación, se muere más adelante porque la versión del hermano es que Miguel Ángel llega con su moto, llega

a la vecindad y según el otro hermano estaba adornando a la virgen porque eran fechas de diciembre y que llega y que dice, hermano, hermano, una mujer in my throat, he couldn't even speak. I mean, because those are images that I will remember for the rest of my life. I mean, he couldn't speak. And two, this version that they make is so that they don't contemplate the second aggressor who was in the facts. And another one, that he didn't contemplate the second aggressor who was in the facts.

And another one, that he didn't die in his house, as he says. Before, I don't know if it still exists today, but we received an anonymous call where they told us that this person worked in the government, recording all the call for help. So, he just sends us a recording where he says that he is asked for an ambulance with the characteristics of my aggressor, etc. But not to the house, to the parking lot of the police station at that time. And in fact, when they found Miguel Angel's body, he was already blindfolded.

I mean, the truth is that they did a great manipulation. I mean, everything that the authority should not do is my example. My case is the clear and perfect example.

Sure.

And well, and then they absolve me, they recognize that they were wrong, they give me a repair and the case ends, but halfway through, without knowing what was behind, who makes these other two wounds to the body of my aggressor, my second aggressor, they left from there, I don't know where they are, I mean, there's a lot. agresor este a mi segundo agresor se fueron de ahí no sé dónde están o sea hay mucho te buscan a ti en algún momento ya ves que me dijiste que tiene un hermano gemelo que dice cuando yo salga de la cárcel tras ella te buscan algún momento tienes que cambiar de casa que haces no la verdad es que yo lo que supe es que si salió el hermano gemelo tuvo problemas con otro tipo que The problem is that the twin brother did get out, but he had problems with another type and he was put back in jail for injuries. The truth is that I don't know what the whereabouts of my family and my second aggressor are. Yes, obviously I had to move, my family also had to move for security, for protection, my brothers, the school trucks, etc. My lawyer was given the security, the protection of the mechanism for journalists and lawyers

from Mexico. And well, we know that we faced a great monster at that time. And from my case, it was that these demonstrations, these collectives, so many things that came from there, because I totally did not even know what feminism was. colectivos, tantas cosas que se dieron a partir de ahí porque yo desconocía totalmente siquiera saber que era el feminismo. Te empiezas a unir a los movimientos. Pues empiezo más bien a investigarme, o sea, lo que yo hacía, la gente esperaba de

mí que yo fuera como la bandera, ¿sabes? Que yo fuera, y yo la verdad decía que no por haber pasado esta situación, por ser víctima de ciertos delitos, no me convertí en la gran activista y la gran feminista, por supuesto que no. Yo tenía que aprender y tenía que estudiar, pero primero también tenía que sanar, porque en ese momento pues, o sea, me metí en muchas cosas que yo no sanaba. O sea, yo la verdad que, pues, o knowing what I wanted, if I wanted to continue with this because it is not comfortable to tell your story, right? I mean, well, nowadays it's something normal for me

but at that time it was very difficult to tell what had happened to you so I got used to it and then I said, for some reason I'm still alive. Having the minimum possibility of getting out of that place alive and getting out of jail alive, it's for a reason. And well, today I said, I have to story to live. I feel like the story goes back and forth all the time. One day you thought it was possible, another day you thought it was not possible. You no longer knew anything about that family. Yes, not at all.

Obviously, does the brother look for him? No, cuando yo salgo, cuando yo voy a salir bajo fianza, mis papás se reúnen con gobierno, con ciertos personajes, y en literal, en como en cuartito cerrado, no solamente le piden una descluva a mis papás de que se equivocaron, en ese entonces el procurador de justicia, Rodolfo Ríos, le pidió una descluva a mis papás de que se equivocaron, I ask my parents to hide that they were wrong, that they were doing things wrong. At that time, Mancera was the head of government. And they told him that later, that they would let me go out with this bail, and that later they would arrest my second aggressor for any other crime. But that was an agreement that they had made with my parents, so that they could be at ease.

However, after I left, they hid, they didn't answer us, they didn't respect that agreement. tranquilo sin embargo después de que yo salgo se esconden no nos contestan no se respeta ese acuerdo y pues nada lo que hacen es que mi agresor se pueda esconder se pueda huir sin ningún cargo entonces pues este este delito del abuso sexual por el que yo lo denuncio no procede.

Hoy tu primer agresor tendría alrededor de 50 años aproximadamente. Tenía 37. I was 37 Ok Without a doubt, I mean, I think you still have some questions of that fear, did you manage to overcome them? Did you have to go to therapy?

This part of suffering, abuse Of course, of course, notice that there are many things. It's normal, even the delirium of persecution. For example, every year that was approaching December 9th, I always felt bad, I felt uneasy. Until they told me that the date of my event was coming and it was part of it. Obviously, I did have to go to therapy. The issue of sexual assault is something that I take care of a lot. There are cases that I live and there are cases that I can't deal with.

Because of course, you get certain consequences. I had to lose the fear in the end. Because I said, you can't live with fear all your life. I lived it for a long time. Those 10 days in Santa Marta were very difficult for me. So it was very hard for me to get on a motorcycle again.

It was hard for me to go back to a prison. Certain things that do generate a certain impact at that moment. He trusted the authorities again, of course not. And nowadays, something that I tell people a lot is that I arrived, that day I arrived, and they detained me. If I had known my rights, the obligations of the authorities,

maybe they wouldn't have seen my face as they did. So nowadays I can go to a prosecutor's office and without a doubt I know all the protocol, all the process. I know and I demand. But I think it's also part of us, our obligation to know and know that.

Ok, Jackie, a question. You, after 13 years of raising your voice, that many people know your story, I imagine that at some point people come to you and say, Hey, I lived something similar. Are there people who lived similar stories to yours? In which they ended up with their aggressor?

Yes, of course. I think there are many. And these are cases that are not even counted. Every time I went to a conference, to a university, there was always someone who had something happened to them and who had never reported it. Also the issue of being dared to report, I think it's part of... And women who have defended themselves or who have ended up in jail in legitimate defense, there are many.

Others have come to us enough. I would think that after 13 years, having my case as a precedent, that is, perhaps the authorities react differently, judge in a different way, with a gender perspective. Well, no. It seems that the ones who judged me at that time, here behind the railing, wait a minute, it seems that today they are the ones who judge many women who report. And unfortunately there are many women, I ran with luck, I told you, I ran with the luck of having a good lawyer, who today is dedicated defends other women.

With my parents believing me, because it is fundamental that your parents believe you and be with you. And two, that these groups of activists, journalists, also journalists, have been formed, that they would spread the real version, that they would not stay with this version manipulated by the authorities. I was lucky and not all girls have that fortune.

Jackie, forgive me for asking you this, and I do it as a reflection on everything you've lived. If you were to live that same situation again today, and you had to relive it, and this happened to your aggressor, you run away, what would you do differently?

Look, I think reporting is key. That's what helped me a lot, reporting. Because in the end, as I was saying, I could have hidden, I could have run away, I could have done it as if nothing happened, because in the end, I think that I could have hidden, I could have run away, I could have done it as if nothing had happened. Because in the end, I think that if I had left, they wouldn't have reported me, because they knew what they had done.

So it wasn't convenient for them, you know? So in the end, all of this happened because I reported. But in the end, I obtained, let's say, a fair justice, but the case helped many people. I mean, to make a case known, and to talk about this case with people who don't know the case yet, or people who say, I can't believe this is real, or that it's still happening, I think it helps a lot. So, no, I wouldn't really change the fact of reporting, but I would change the fact of demanding from the authorities to make this, nowadays, a folder as it should be. I mean, not to be kept in touch,

to be locked up, to take my things away. Because at some point they wanted to put my aggressor's cell phone and they wanted to steal it. Because they took my belongings. So, those kinds of things are vital. You know? Knowing a good defense. As I tell you, no matter how close you are or how close you are, they want to help you defend yourself, but they don't know about the matter.

So it's better not to get involved because you end up getting more into the person's hole. So that is very important. Wow, Jackie, thank you very much for sharing your story with us. Is there anything you would like to add, something that you don't need me to ask you, a message

you want to give?

No, nothing. I think the complaint, I told you, is vital and knowing that the legitimate defense is a right of all and everyone. The truth is that at first I felt guilty for having injured my aggressor in this way, but I didn't know that I was reacting to an action. So, it's a fundamental right.

And also, to talk about the lawyers, the lawyers who have a very important role. My lawyer had two death attacks for taking my case in a proven way, and yet she insisted and she stayed, and today she gave me the absolution and gave me justice.

And today this lawyer, Ana Catiria Suárez, is being persecuted by other types, like my attackers, other types of white collar, who for more than 20 years have been dedicated to the defense of victims, for more than 20 years but nowadays she is being persecuted, threatened and had to self-isolate in Spain to protect her life because just like me, at some point I was threatened with death

Wow, how complicated it is to live in this country and try to do things right there will always be people who are in the justice system and who see for their own benefit the benefit of those people who are obviously guilty. Thank you very much, Jackie, from the bottom of my heart. We hope that less and less of these kinds of stories can be heard.

That people, if someone gets to live a similar situation, at least they have a precedent. That's very important. So, thank you very much. If you would like to continue, contact you, what do you do, what do you do? Do you give conferences?

Sure, my social media is Jackiri Rubio. And yes, currently, I obviously defend girls who have been through the same thing as me, other crimes always raising their voices for the victims. We have a space, a foundation called Voces Humanizando la Justicia where you can find the work of my lawyer Ana, who has many cases like mine, or not like mine

and knowing that none is more important than another. All cases are very important and all are dangerous.

Ok, thank you very much. And to all of you, thank you very much for staying until the end, without a doubt a very impressive story. I wish with all my heart that no one, I wish that no one, would live a similar situation, but for our misfortune it will continue to happen. So take care, please, and see you in the next chapter. So take care, please, and see you in the next chapter. Thank you very much, see you later.