Desperté y mi hija de 5 años ya no estaba | Wendy #Penitencia 175 #México

Penitentiary, through Fundación Reinserta, supports children in contact with violence. You These are scenes from the previous chapter.

My feeling was that by blaming them for the disappearance, the search was a little renewed. The intention of the disappearance proceedings is lost. The disappearance proceedings must have that purpose, to be able to locate the person.

Especially with a minor?

Especially with them. There is a prejudice in which we are going to stop them so that they tell the truth.

My daughters are the most important thing for me. For some reason, I've been on the lookout. We've gone to marches, we've gone to this, but I don't know what to do. In the end, they've judged us from the beginning. We went and told them, this happened, this situation, help us.

And as a result of that, far from helping us, it was harmed. And far from looking for the girl, the point was more than anything... And how to blame them, how to frame the crime.

And they stopped looking for your daughter.

Exactly.

Welcome to Penitencia. Today, with Wendy.

In your house. Yes. Domestic violence.

You think the bracelet can't get out of here.

No.

We were in the prison, talking with Bruno too. And I want to ask you, Wendy, what happened? What happened? You are accused of the disappearance of your daughter, the oldest. My question for you is, tell me how was your life before these events

and what happened the day your daughter disappeared? Well, my family consisted of my husband, my two daughters and me, mainly. We led a normal life, my two daughters and me.

We had a normal life.

My daughter was 5 years old.

The little one was 2 years old. I was in the process of training the little one. How to be a mother of two, because they were together for very few years. But it was nice, right? We went to the park, everything.

What did you do?

I have always been a housewife, I have always been dedicated to the girls. The one who works has always been my husband. In the same way, that night was a normal day, ordinary. I remember opening my eyes at 7 in the morning when my alarm went off, because I usually stopped to get ready. The first thing I saw was the door open. I thought it was the bitch who pushed her hard, and I thought, well, she's not going to

be able to get out of there. I thought, well, she's not going to be able to get out of there. I thought, well, she's not going to would stop to check on her. And the first thing I see is the door wide open. I thought it was the bitch that pushed her hard and well, it opened, right? So I go to the bathroom, I come back,

I see the blankets, well, yes, made of ball, I think she's there because she had the habit of covering herself up. So I said, okay, I'll tell him, my love, let's get up, it's time for school. And then the chaos begins, because I lift the blankets and I don't see her. And I start, Magdiel, Magdiel, where are you? I go to the bathroom, I go to the patio, and I start screaming.

I woke him up, I remember I did this to him and I said, the girl is not here, help me find her. And he was also disconcerted because we didn't know what was happening. The truth was traumatic. I think it's still hard for me to talk about it and remember it. It's the worst nightmare of any mother. Exactly.

I remember bringing the other one in my arms and keep screaming to find out where the other one is. I don't know when all of this happened. I can't tell you everything that goes through your head at that moment. Frustration, what to do, or what do, where to go, what to look for. I don't know, it's still very shocking for me to talk about it. In the same way, the police arrive, I go to the police station,

and I realize that at 7 am I wake up, imagine and at 8.30 am I'm at the hospital. They take me to the hospital in Otumba, and at that moment another nightmare begins. Because instead of going to the hospital, they tell me, you're being detained. So you went to ask for help, and. What time did you get to the police station? About 8.30 I think. So you went straight to the police station?

Yes, not late.

It was a complete conference of opportunities.

Yes, exactly. So I took my little girl's papers, I took everything. I mean, I stop there to ask for help, right? And they tell me, you know what? No. They took everything from me and they wouldn't let me go out. When did they stop you? No, they just told me to stop. They told me to sit down.

I started to see what they were doing and I thought maybe it was part of the process, I don't know. When I took my phone off, I didn't have any communication with my family or anyone. Shortly after, I see my husband arrive and I say, what's going on? So that's where they detained us for five days. When you went to report, what did Bruno do? He was supposed to stay with the police to look for the little one. in I was with him for an hour and a half, and he was with me. They didn't let us go out.

We were there for five days. They said, you went out, you did something. I said, how is it possible that if I'm coming to ask for help, you tell me that I'm the one who did something so that my daughter wouldn't be there. I think I would have let her pass.

But it was a maximum of one hour. It was from 7 to 8.30 that I was there. How was it? Remember how those interrogations were. What did they say to you? What were they looking for? What proof did they give you? Why did they suspect it was you? Because there was no other way.

According to them, there was no way the girl would have left or that they would have gone for her. Simply and simply, it was, tell us the truth, what did you do to her? You already threw her. There was a time when an officer also wanted to hit me because I answered him. There was a moment when there house, and I was like, how can you say that I was the one who asked you to leave? We should be outside looking for my daughter, instead of wasting our time here. And he said, no, no, look at how you talk to me, because, no, I'm going to hit you.

I mean, they were very aggressive, very, very mean. I feel like they weren't'm going to hit you. They were very aggressive, very mean. I feel they weren't empathetic with the situation. And I feel that they lost too much time. Instead of attacking us in those five days, I think we would have looked for a John or B.

If they had taken it the day before, I had washed them, so there was clothes outside. I couldn't see if they had taken their clothes, toys, something that would tell me what had happened. Do you remember in your house how you looked for her? Something that you saw strange? No, nothing. The only thing I saw was the door.

That was the only thing. When I woke up, the door was open. That's what I remember the most. When I woke up, the door was open.

You went to jail. Yes. Accused of...

Forced disappearance. But it came four years later. Four years where they told me that they were looking for her. When did they release you? When my lawyer put a protection and let us go. After that, they told me that we are victims and that they are looking for her. They told me that they were looking for her for

the SEP, they told me that they were looking for her for the medical area, they told me they were looking for it in the medical area, they told me they were looking for it in the offices, with their name or their data, that anything that they took to the doctor or that they gave him a vaccine, something, they told me, but they never taught me how to do it. Hey, well, look, we're doing this, right? They also told me that they were going to make a reward bulletin, which had to do with the state, because the state gave the amount for the information.

I was also told they were going to make a spoken portrait. Many things that they were doing, and you trust them, because you don't know. I did tell my advisor, I'm sorry for my ignorance, but first, look at my age. I'm a very young mother.

Second, I told her, I never expected to be in this situation. I don't know where to go. I don't know what to do, where to go. So, yes, help me.

And they always told me, no, it's okay, you are in the quality of a victim, you are the parents, we will continue to look for you. And so they were driving me for three years, and until now, four years. But March comes, March 12 12th, I left school. My other daughter was there too. She had to go to school and all that.

So I left school one day, and they came back to me. They said, you're Wendy? I said, yes, that's me.

They stopped the two police officers behind me. and they say, you're Wendy? Yes, I am.

Oh, okay. The two policemen stop behind me and I, since I saw that, I said, no, we're going like crabs back again, right? And I tell them, you know what? No, there's no need for violence, the girl is coming. And he says, oh, so you know?

Yes, I know that, I mean, I am aware of my reality because we have never stopped investigating or looking for the little one or being present with this situation. And he says, no, what are you doing? And they hit me again in front of my daughter

and they take me to the police station. And I get to Chiconoc. What did they do to your daughter? Well, now they take her to the police station. Did she go with you? Yes, we went to the police station.

We got to the police station and I saw her getting to the DIP's house. And they took her. We were going to evaluate her in a... They told me she was a medical school student. A medical school student.

And since they told me that, I said, I'm going to be fired.

Why did you change your mind?

Because I thought, what are they going to do? To see again the one who is arresting me, I thought, again, like at the beginning, instead of looking for what happened, it's easier to blame and say, you know what, it was you and this is over.

So I said, what are they going to do with the girl? I don't think so. They also take my phone away again, they don't let me talk, nothing. I said, how can I tell my mom, a relative, to come get the girl? What are they going to do?

The guy. a family member to come and pick up the girl.

The DIF.

Did they check your daughter? I don't know. They take her and then they take us to... But in the file there's nothing... I understand that they did check her out, but the girl was fine.

No, no, no. Did she have signs of violence?

No, nothing.

Something that could inculcate you?

No, no, no, no. Not really. During the four years that you were free and you were in the authorities looking for your daughter, what was your life? Sorry for asking such a strong question, but I want to understand how was your life at that time? The first year, you want to go crazy.

You want to throw yourself to death, but you turn around and see another little girl who tells you, here I am another little girl who says, here I am, I'm with you mom, because despite her young age, she is very intelligent. And she realized that I was crying,

that she didn't want to stop me, that yes, there was no reason to move on, right?

Until she grabbed my legs and said, I didn't have a reason to move forward.

Until she grabbed me by the legs and said, Mom, I'm here. I'm with you. I know you'll never stop looking for my sister, but I'm here. That's when I said, yes, it's true. She still needs me.

So I decided to put my other little one in God's hands.

And from then on, I dedicated myself to trying to be the ideal mom to be present at school, at home, so that my son's mom would be there for him. I was there for him, and I kept the pain of my little girl for myself, not even for my husband. I kept it for myself.

Why didn't you want to do it for your husband?

Because I didn't want him to see me cry or feel bad. So I started exercising, looking for other things that would stop my mind. Were you able to do more to look find your daughter apart from the authorities? Yes, I went to an association of stolen and missing children. I think it was in the North Division. I went there because I saw a report of a girl who was seen,

who was also, I think, abducted as a child. But 20 years later, she was seen in an Amber Alert thanks to that association. And she meets her mother again 20 years later. So, yes, arriving and asking, I also reached the high dide to the association.

I was promoted to Meridian events. I was in the community service. While you keep sending the alert to see what's being searched, they keep transmitting it. They give you a date of transmission. So, in those four years, I kept sending emails,

I sent them to hostels, to homes, and I sent out alerts. I tried to touch posts, I touched an activist, but instead of helping, I think it was the opposite. He was also attacking and maybe becoming famous through saying, yes, I'm helping you. He also tried to play with my pain, with my mind.

Why? And he said, are you sure it wasn't you? If it wasn't you, then who else was there? Your husband was there? Your husband was there. So maybe it was him.

And in that moment you curl up and think that maybe, and it may be that the enemy is the one next to you. And I fall into that trap. After, after the four year deal, that we're here, that I see his pain, that I see my shape, I say, no, it can't be possible.

How did you fall into that trap? What repercussions did it have? How did you act?

Well, I did declare against my husband. No, I did do it. But we go back to the same thing, after the constancy of seeing his pain, I did do it. But we go back to the same thing after... Now, I do believe in the constancy of seeing his pain, of seeing me, of seeing everything I see. Because now nobody knows what's going on, but those of us who are here.

Tell me a little about this statement against Bruno. Well, yes, I say... You said... Yes, maybe yes, because I saw him.

I didn't hear it, I didn't see it, I don, well, maybe I could have followed him.

I didn't hear it, I didn't see it, I don't know, something. But yes, then I said, no, you're wrong. But tell me a little about that, you went to the public ministry and said ... Yes, they tell me, you know what, well, we're going to ... They told me, you're going to be a protected witness. And in any case, I was going to be against it.

And what did you say, Eva?

I said, okay, fine. I said, if it's to find my daughter, do whatever it takes. I mean, I really said, do whatever it takes, as long as it's to find my daughter. I don't care who it was, who it was. If it's the same person who took her,

and brings her to me and says, you know, here's your daughter, I tell him, go. No problem. But I want to know where she is, or what they're going to do with her.

I mean, the goal is just my daughter. And I fall into that game. Okay, fine, accuse me. What did you say in your statement against Bruno? Well, yes, that maybe I saw him absent, that I didn't see that tension that maybe I had.

But I really think that in the end it was on both sides. He reacted in one way and I reacted in another. I understood it later, you analyze it, you think about it. But at the time, with the courage and the pain, and with the uncertainty of knowing what happened, you give in to that. Cedes a eso. Es como si fuera un deseo de tener algún tipo de indicio de prueba de algo.

Porque lo que está duro de este caso es que él no sabe nada.

Exactamente.

Entonces si tu esposo, si Bruno took her or sold her or whatever, maybe it was the sign of something. Yes, to find an answer to the puzzle. How did you realize, or why did your way of thinking change with Bruno? Because I saw him cry many times here while we watched him play. I saw his pain as a father.

I wanted to give him that part of me being strong. I'm the one who should be at the top of the barrel because I have to get a girl and a wife out of the way. But you see it later. At the moment, with everything that happens to you, with everything you think and look for, you get stuck.

And it gives you courage, because it also invades your courage. And you look for an answer. But with the constancy, with the calm that you try to say, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. When a situation like this happens, people start talking, there are rumors, where did those rumors go? In those four years, did you have any kind of minimum indication of something that could have happened, that someone had told them, hey, maybe around here, these people from La Colonia are linked to people from Tata.

Well, in fact, yes. Something?

Yes, there are some people who are. Everything points to it. They were the only people outside my home that night. Coincidentally, they didn't see anything, they didn't hear anything. And in the same way, after being close people, they completely left. They totally blocked me from social media and everything.

And there were misunderstandings. People who, well, in the village it was rumored that they worked for the mafia or whatever it was called, because they sold vice or were in bad conditions. But they were the only people who were outside my home. Which I said, how is it possible that they didn't see, didn't hear, or what time they left, or where they were. It's a very small town.

I can't... I mean, it's incredible that no one has seen, heard, or something.

If you had to bet, and it's a hard question, and I apologize for it, but... If you had to bet, Wendy, what happened with your daughter, what would be your theory? That they took her. Are you sure about that?

Yes, today I am. And is there any proof or indication, because you are now under house arrest, you have the bracelet on,

eh... You are currently under house arrest, you have the bracelet on.

Is there any evidence that goes to them? No, unfortunately we are fighting against the current, because for the prosecution, we are the culprits, there is no more.

What evidence is there against you? Para la fiscalía los culpables somos nosotros no hay más que por eso en tu contra

Según esto pues tienen evidencia de muebles y ropa y x pero

si supone que este

a lo que me comentaba el abogado que había sangre y eso pero

No hay esta la evidencia o sea lo que me comentaba también mi abogado que I mean, I saw blood and stuff, but there's no evidence. My lawyer told me that he asked for something like that to get into the evidence and they don't have it.

So... Like, there's blood, but there's no evidence?

Yeah, I mean, I think they found blood on the bed and on some shoes or something, but they're things that aren't there. I mean, there are many... In the same way, I told my lawyer, I said, well, if they have that as stronger,

at the time, they take my blood, my husband too, and I, as a mother, had kept a little of my daughter's hair. I also give it to them. I gave them everything.

I gave them clothes, I gave them shoes, I gave them everything. I say because they haven't done DNA tests.

And they haven't done them. I mean, there's blood, but they don't know who the blood is from, if it's from your daughter, if it's not from your daughter. Exactly.

And in the same way, everything I gave them, shoes, clothes, hair, they also say they don't have it. I mean, there's nothing I gave them. How is that possible? I don't understand either.

I gave them shoes when they went... I only went to one search where they took canines. There I give them my daughter's uniform, I give them shoes and hair. And... she's not here either.

You already had to look for your daughter with dogs?

Yes, that was the only one. But I'm telling you that it was a week or 15 days before. It had already happened, it wasn't the first days that I feel I should have seen.

Yeah. Why did they arrest them four years later?

I don't know. Why, out of so many cases of missing children that they leave in the impunity, why this one, they went against him? No, the truth is, that's the mystery that I would also like to solve. Why, four years later,

they come to arrest us. For me, the truth, for me to think, is I give a guilty, the case is over, and the search is complete. Anyway, I feel that my daughter is not being searched.

I feel like they haven't done anything for her and they're still doing nothing. They just want a culprit, the case is over, and let's go. With the one who's still going.

That's what I feel. What is the... For you to be linked to the process, for you to be indicted, for... How long were you in prison? Six months.

For you to be in prison for six months, what evidence do you have against you? How is it that a judge said you're going to jail? Is there enough evidence to prove you're guilty? There has to be something.

Well, what I heard in my first hearing, and that's what the judge said, was because of bad parents, because you had the girl's the girl in your hands.

Did the judge say that?

Not with those words, but I understood it that way. How did he say it, more or less? Well, yes, we had that responsibility of keeping the girl safe, protecting her and everything, and we didn't do it. And that the fact that my... what are these called? Psychologists? said that I had depression and all that

didn't mean that I was involved. So for that reason, we were arrested to carry out the investigation. My lawyer did say that it was possible that they would like to solve in these months what they have not solved in four years. What other evidence do you have? Well, the statements of our neighbors, who in the same way say that we are bad parents and all that.

But I feel that it is not strong enough to have us. But are there statements that say you are bad parents? From neighbors. Now, yes, from the same people from the town.

Why do you think people said that?

The truth is that I also have no idea why they came to that conclusion. If we were supposed to get along with all the neighbors, then yes. But when the time came for them to start asking and all that, everything turned against us instead of in our favor. What kind of testimonies are there that you were bad parents and how do you prove that you were bad parents? Well, my husband had his own home and we were there with the girls.

And they saw that as bad. How was it possible that we were there with the kids? It was a small house, only two rooms. My daughters were in one room and my wife and people were in another room. a casa muy chiquita solamente eran dos cuartos mis hijas estaban en un cuarto y la mujer la gente estaban en otro cuarto entonces entonces las declaraciones digamos que no fueron erróneas nada más hay una mala

interpretación de qué es bueno y qué es malo si exacto que otras cosas dijeron hablaron de que ustedes golpearon golpeaban a sus hijas este que estaban What other things did they say? They said that you beat up your daughters, that you were in bad condition. No, not that they were in bad condition, but never beat them up. But yes, they were in bad condition,

which is not true, because I think my daughters were always like twins. Everything was proven to be the same, precisely because there was a chair or something. I always tried to give them the same.

I wanted to ask you, Wendy, why do you feel this is happening to you? Why do you think that...

If you had to be guilty of something, or would you do something again? What would you do? No, honestly, right now, I think the question is why and I can't find it. A lot of people have told me, or more than anything, my mom, right? She always told me, don't look for the why, but the for what. But sometimes you don't even find that. Not even the why.

So I keep thinking about what we did wrong so that all of this would happen to us.

How do they give you the house arrest?

My lawyer was there until he managed to get us domiciliario? It's something to be here, where we were, because it wasn't easy either.

How was your life in prison?

Since I got here, they already know why you're going. It's not necessary for them to ask you, why are you coming? They already know. They already know why you're coming, and they point you out, they judge you.

When I think that all the people who are there, I think I also made mistakes and for some reason I am there. Not all of us are perfect, but for the reason I was going, they were very cruel. There were times when they wanted to hit me, but they didn't get to that point.

But they did think about it, they did it, and they did comment on it. Like, you have to give her a beating for being a bad mother. She went overboard with her daughter. Those were the words. When I arrived recently, I went up for my breakfast, palabras cuando llegué recientemente es hubo por mí no me desayuno y la del desayuno me dice a eres tú la que descuartizó a su hija

que yo no le hice nada a mi bebé que le haces para lo que debes y deja de llorar entonces si también es es muy pesado porque estaban diciendo que la It's very heavy. Why were they saying that you disembodied her? Is there any proof that says your daughter is dead? Who knows? Now, how they found out or how it happened, I don't know. But since you arrived, they know why you arrived.

And they judge you very badly. As time goes by, I think they start to get to know you, they realize and lower the aggressiveness they have against you. But at the beginning it is very, very heavy. How long ago did you get out of prison? How long ago did they change your home arrest? Two weeks ago. Yes, two weeks ago.

How has your life been here? To be honest, I feel like a zombie. I still feel strange in my own house, when I think I shouldn't be like this, but this is how I feel. I want to emphasize a little more on how... With Bruno we talked a lot about the types of parents they were and how that is playing against them right now.

Because of the testimonies of the neighbors and all that. Could you tell me a little more about that? Why did the neighbors report you? I feel that at that time we were 23 years old, we were younger. And it was still like, we're going to go out to party. I feel that it was more than anything that.

That was our mistake, that maybe we didn't shouldn't have so many parties and focus on the girls. Or maybe we should have left our friendships aside. But I don't think we did. That was the mistake.

To continue with our friendships when it was not necessary.

Were there any fights in your house?

No. Amistad is gonna ya know they will do it again golpes into Casa

Yeah, but yeah, see

como todo ya Pero creo que siempre cuando ya veíamos que algo iba a salir mal creo que el de se dio salir se oye por mi lado Sabien frenar el play exactamente y con las niñas No, de fact, it has always been me who puts a little more, don't do this, don't do this, don't do that, and he is always, no, nothing happens, don't scold me, or not this, not that.

So, yes, we have always had that conflict that I want to put a little more limits and he says, no, it's okay, do it, nothing happens. You're already at home and Bruno is here too.

Yes, let's see.

The last time we saw each other Bruno, you were in jail.

Yes.

We talked there.

Yes, yes, yes.

I didn't imagine you two would be at home. How was that reunion? How long had you been apart? Well, the six months. The six months we were together. Did you both stay the same day? Yes. Yes, in fact, that day

they took us both. And we were supposed to be there in the grave. But when we got there, no, there's no female here. So he stayed.

I hugged him for the last time, and they take me to Chiconauta. The Catepec, the female Catepec.

Who left first?

Me. I was the first one to leave. How did they tell you? They didn't tell me. In fact, I was in the dining room, like, normal, right? At the time of the ranch. And suddenly I hear that they mention a Hernández. Hernández! Ah, no, I'm not.

But they gave me another last name. Ah, no, no, then no. And I left. And they were looking for me. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I'm going to bring some balloons here. He comes out and says, pull yourself together. But what's going on? Where am I going? What's going on?

To find out. And he says, what's in the cell? And I say, nothing. And he makes me one of the

guards that were at the entrance. He makes me the sign, like, that's it, that's it. And then I said, ok, I'm ready. And then I said, ok, I'm ready. And then I said, ok, I'm ready.

And then I said, ok, I'm ready. And then I said, ok, I'm ready. And then I said, wait, what? And I heard that they were asking for attention through the radio to let the demonetization go through. I said, phew, yes, yes. And other inmates started arriving.

What's up? what's up? He said, what's up? I said, what's up? I don't know, but I heard the demolition is coming. I said, really? He said, let's see if it's the right time. There were four of us there. And suddenly, the guard said,

You're leaving, you're leaving. You're leaving, you're leaving. I said, really? He said, put this shit back. I said, no, I don't want to go back. He said, but really, you're going to see that we're not going to see each other anymore. I said, you'll see.

He said, I remember when you arrived and I received you, now I'm going to get you out. He said, well, I'm not going to get you out, but I'm seeing that you're leaving. What a guy, do it. No, thank you. I had changed my mind about the same guards. I asked them if I was going to be a shooter. And when I left, they said, bless you and don't come back.

I was excited. They put me on the device and put me in one of the cells that were down there, the intimate ones, to keep me there until the afternoon

when I was going to go out. And I was thinking, they must have put him in my wife's cell.

She'll have him, I'll see her.

Did you know she was going to go out too?

Or they didn't tell you anything? No, they didn't tell me anything. But I assumed that they were going to do be at the same time because, as usual, they told me, no, if they took it, they took it from you. And they're chaos, and it must be at the same time, and I don't know what.

And then it was my idea, at the same time. Perfect. It was afternoon, it was night. I didn't come for a month, I didn't come, they forgot me. And you translated? I said, now, man, run. Well, yeah, I'm out. And they stopped me at the last door.

They said, let's go back to the blue. I said, no, I'm coming back and they focus me on a camera. No, well, mark your profiles. No, well, yes. Get out, raise the file, no cause, no, well, it's there. And they didn't say anything. Confirm the exit, I don't like it. And they didn't say anything. I confirm the exit, that I don't know.

Nothing. I said, no, what's going on? Many said that when they were about to leave, they go back or X or Y, I'm missing. No, I was like that, my hands were sweating, you know? No, well, no, yes, proceed.

Ay, I don't know what's going on. No, well, fine. I'm leaving. I said, no, go ahead. I don't know what happened. No, well, fine. I go out and my aunt was already at the door. My aunt, my cousin.

They told you?

Yes, they told me at night. And my aunt tells me, I say, what happened? I told her, we're going to let you know, I didn't even know what was going to happen, they told me to leave and I didn't know.

From there they didn't let me go back to Modulo or anything,

I didn't take a boat.

No, how good, they told me a while ago and from the district I came here and we didn't even know what time, but here we are. And the first thing I was like, no. And I said, what happened? Is everything okay? And she said, yes, everything is fine, but not yet.

And the whole process was like, but what happened? I mean, I'm yes, she's not. And at that moment, things happened to me because I said, what if they don't let her go? What if they don't... or they're going to change something? Or... I don't know.

I started to doubt, and I started to... I got home, the first night, and it wasn't like... I spent a day, two days, three days, four days, nothing. Hey, daughter, didn't you hear anything? Nothing. Hey, did you't hear anything. Hey, this is nothing.

And I like this, I have to go to an audience and well, obviously, I was already inside. And the prosecutor is already mentioned, right? No, it's just that, why did you notify me that I had already left the internal, that I don't know what? No, you are, you are connected to the digital experience.

No, but I didn't have a notification and I had to go through this. I had to go through it. I want you to notify me when the green light signal comes out. And it was that again, that no, and they won't want to go and they won't want to do anything, so what? Because everything is going against us, right?

I said, that's the last was the only step we were on

and I said, no way I waited for the day to come

and I called him I said, I can call you and he said, ok I'll call you I'll call you and I said, God bless you

and I said, he's coming

and I said, ok and I said, well, God bless you. I told her, she's coming. She said, well, yeah.

I mean, up to this moment, it's been a little different, right? Because you were seeing the ruins, right? Suddenly, at 2 in the morning, you open your eyes and you almost want to say your prayers, right? But, I mean,

from being there to being here, it hurts.

The difference.

Yes, la diferencia. ¿Cómo fue tu salida, Wendy? Igualmente, no... Ya a mí ya se me hacía porque precisamente, ¿no? Por viernes y el sábado yo siempre les marcaba temprano, ¿no? Para ver cómo estaban. Y ese día me dicen, marca, que urge que marques. Y yo dije, ¿qué pasó?

¿Te esperas lo peor? Dije, no, ya happened, something is wrong. When he called me, I said, I'll give you the number. But he has a voice very similar to his cousin's. So they give it to me and he starts telling me the numbers and I say, it's his cousin. And suddenly he tells me, what happened, my love, how are you? And I said, what? I left behind. I started cried for half an hour on the phone.

But I said, that's it. And I said, yes, I don't know, something was telling me. I said, they left him first, they are going to leave me later. I said, the first one is going to come out, then they come for me. Besides, everyone was telling me that the bracelets took too long, that I shouldn't get excited, that it wasn't something...

Well, yes, right away. And so, he comes out and the first week goes by, and nothing. I said, well, what happened? I said, no. And the following Monday, I said, no, I'm not going to die. I said I'm going to stop, as if nothing happened.

And I was already prepared for the meal, precisely. When they came up for me, they told me, Torres, Flores, Velasco, yes, they are calling you to stop I tell them, I'm not sick. I go down. And when I get to where the guards are, I see myself,

there was the guard who knew that I had been given the cautionary measure, and he sees me and says, You're leaving. I look at him like I don't believe him. And I say, No, I don't believe you. y me dice, ya te vas. Me quedo viendo como que no le creía, ¿no? Y le dije, no, no creo. Y le decía, no, sí, hazme caso, ya te vas.

Bueno, me lleva a área médica, ya me toman las fotos, me toman otra vez huellas y todo, y me vuelven a subir. Y dije, no, pues nada más, pues o no. Dije, no, I'm going to eat. I feel like I'm going to give him the first bite of food. When they call me back to get me down, I get down. The people in the monitoring were already there putting on the bracelets.

And they put it on me. How is it that you get out of the jail and who's waiting for you outside? Her husband's aunt.

Yes.

Why not your dad?

I don't know. Really, since this whole process started, my mom is in Monterrey, but she comes, she went to see me once in Chiconauta. And she said, I'm sorry, I didn't bring you anything. And I said, no, with you coming from Monterrey to here, it's a lot.

And she said, daughter, I can't be coming every eight days, I hope you understand, but here I am, I'm aware of you and your husband, and do your best, if you can, okay. And your dad? My dad, my dad is angry, I don't have a good relationship with him, because of family things from the past.

And no, for me he's not my dad, he's just...

A man.

A man, right?

Who has the youngest daughter?

Right now she's with my dad, but... I think it's just because of the situation that we have contact. Why did you give her to him? Because her aunt from my husband works, and my mom also works. se la dieron a él. Porque su tía de mi esposo trabaja, mi mamá también trabaja. Pues sí, y entre el movimiento y todo eso, pues como que el más estable para que la niña estuviera ahí y pudiera ir a la escuela y esto y aquello, pues es él.

¿Y la está cuidando bien? Sí, sí. Ahora sí que la niña está bien, no le falta nada anything, but... well, we lack, right?

How long have you been without her?

The same, six months. Have you heard anything from your daughter, Aris?

Well, no, in fact, we've been on the same page as with a certain Tumre, right? They've told us she's fine, she's taking the care are being sent to the D.I. the treatment is psychological, this doctor

but that's it, in fact, I can't see her or get close to her.

If we had the file here, I'm going to play the devil's advocate a little bit, if we had the file here in front, what would the file say about you? Or why blame you in this way instead of looking for your daughter? Well, the only way out that you find from the beginning, everything has become very strange since it all started. Because by involving these people or by making the mention,

not only of the names, everything started to go the other way. And suddenly, it turns out that a police investigation that was already the same, was from the same circle of people. I knew everyone, I was there, determined. No, it was you, no, it was this, not the other. For example, when he entered into my house at that time,

for example, the hair of what my wife says, that's the merchandise that my mom usually keeps.

The first time you cut his hair.

He grabbed it and said, no, it's here next to an image of the dead seat. My dad disbelieved in it, and he had an an altar in the house. He said, don't throw it away, just for respect. Did your dad give you the house? He gave me the land and told me to live there, pay the rent, whatever, and do something. So, when this person came in,

he saw that the construction was obviously recent. The walls were obviously uncovered. The ceiling was made of sheet metal. So I looked around and saw the conditions, I looked around the altar, I saw that, obviously, there was my daughter's photo, I saw that the hair, this and that, and I said,

no, you know, it's a cult. Was your daughter's photo there on the altar? I put it there, that day in the morning. Why? Because, I don't know, I've never had that issue directly with her, I've never prayed for her,

I've never asked her, but she's been very, very close to the family, both with my dad, mom, with my aunt, everyone. So everyone in our family has respect for her and a, and well, yes has a devotion. At that moment, I remember that altar.

I don't know it as the Holy Altar, my father says the Godmother. At that moment, out of desperation, I didn't know what to do. I turned around and saw the altar. I said, you've been here, you were here, you could see, help. I put the credential of the school of the child and put it next to the candle. And I said, please, help. You saw it, help. And there I left it.

And the hair was there too?

The hair was there because it was the ...

It was an envelope, that it was a bag.

It was for... I don't know. In fact, there was my daughter's. Also, as you can see, my mom's clothes. There were also some memories of when we were younger, like protection, right? I don't know, I don't know the truth, I don't know the purpose.

But there it was. When I gave it to her, don't know the truth, I don't know the purpose. But there it was. When I gave it to them, they checked everything and said, look, here's your photo, there are some candles, there's a saint, I don't know what. And this is a cult. What else? What else can we find? And that's where they started to say,

you don't know what they did to Joaquin because here they can't do it, I'm going to take it somewhere else. The shoe they were talking about had blood on it, I don't know what. It was mine. Those were sneakers they were wearing, I don't remember if they were sneakers, I don't remember. But it was mine, I wore them that day. And when they started asking me, I said, no, I didn't find anything. I started to get desperate. And on the outside, the construction was in progress, I didn't have a plan.

I started hitting the wall. And then I hit the wall, I opened my hand, and the officer told me, no, calm down, you're not going to solve anything, better relax, think about what happened. And we went into the house.

I put my hand back like this. So, in social tens, suddenly, he tells me, you know what, you're going to go to such and such, because some investors arrived,

and we're going to change.

It was a detail, yes. It could be summer, yes. Get on. But, and I still remember a short or something like that. Change, I don't know why. Ah, ok, perfect.

And give me your phone. So I went in, I took off my mask, I put on another one, I got dressed, I grabbed the phone, and I was ready to go. After that, when they say about the ASIA, that there is no blood, that there are some shoes, I said, go ahead, and I said, but it's blood. They even took me to the CTPKc to get blood samples and all that, and the comparative tests, because of what they gave us,

I was going to do a...

In case there was...

To compare it, to get a probability of some DNA with the master, parallel to mine. So, here it is. Perfect, right? With this we are going to take... So, when they told me about the blood, I said, well, it's fine, no problem. But there it was, that vein,

they had it for about a year, detained. Obviously, the seals and everything were there, nothing could be moved inside. They had already understood what the issue of the hair was. The year when they didn't return it, we entered and we saw how everything was turned upside down, right?

There was everything. So they took everything that was supposed to be evidence. And what do we do here? Not even being there, just going in and seeing everything again, no. So we decided to close it and leave. And when the time passed, and everything,

within the topic that says, no, it's just that Sander was found, and I'm still sure that, yes, there he is in the Zapperhorn with Rovalo. No, but inside the house was found a massacre. More blood, yes.

Or as a crime scene, it seems that, I mean, because in the investigation folder, there are 70 and so many photos and I don't know how many proofs of the minor. And I said, well, I mean, how? And that at least I entered the room.

So I start to channel and say, well, see the order to return to the house, to raise, I don't know the term, it was a year before, that is, three years after what happened, three years later, when they went back and it turns out that there was blood everywhere. So, three years later. Yes, that's what I'm saying. In fact, the house, in one of the inquiries,

they say that the cause was already a robbery, that Figueroa was already under custody, there was nothing else. Well, yes, right? I mean... ...of... ...information or... I don't know how to say it...

...how to say it... ...the point that I was... ...inhabited, that they had stolen everything from me... ...they even stole the windows, they stole... ...everything, it was like a little hole... ...a little hole in the house...

...where you can't go in and out... the grass up to the top. And in those conditions, it was like, they went again to take more evidence. And I say, then, that's where they are already taking more evidence, four years ago. Four years ago, they didn't have those, those, those, so to speak, the humiliation.

And literally in the file is that four years later they went and took all that.

Yes, there are the the testimonials after the time. And have you seen the photos? No, they haven't been shown yet. In fact, in the next hearing, when they are going to present all kinds of evidence, both against and in favor, and that's where we're supposed to see them. From what the written testimony says, there was what the prosecution offered as proof for the link. escrito ahí estaba lo que ofrecía la fiscalía como como prueba para la

vinculación que era eso el un vídeo o un vídeo o varios vídeos que es la misma cámara simplemente son como que recortes de la misma cámara en diferentes horarios pero es lo mismo y que hay en el vídeo supuestamente se muestra un carro de fuera de nuestra casa en un horario de la madrugada 3 4 de la video. I'm just walking around. I can't see anything. I can't see anything because I was far away from the house.

I'm telling you, it's a village. As such, there's no camera that focuses the house well. But I can see someone walking and driving the car.

I can see something.

I can only see the car because the camera is obviously facing backwards. The car goes through the camera, goes on the street, camera because the lights of the skulls are still on. Nothing turned off, nothing, because you can see it there. And they told me at the beginning, when that happened, that a Tecamac prosecutor took me, they told me, hey, locate the car.

Well, no, no, I don't even know what car it is. Ah, okay. Have you seen how long it's been? No, it's been a long time. Check it, remember, okay, perfect. And the tracking of that unit, where did it go? In fact, I even made a sketch at that time of the town.

I lived there for a while when I was younger. And obviously I know the streets of Piapá. So I marked out entrances and exits. And I marked out the streets of Piapá. And I marked out the streets of Piappa. So I marked there exits, entrances, streets, cameras.

And I took it as such because I did not know what other way to contribute. I take my notebook with my notes. Look, this camera is here. This is where we have the shot. This is another camera here. Here is a main one. This is the street that comes out. Because unfortunately, the street where we were was a dirt road to the left,

back and it led to the Mexico-Pachuca highway, that is, straight to the track. Without stairs, there was nothing. Dirt road only. Bumpy terrain and that was it. So, I still remember that.

I call them and said, where did that car go? I never knew where it went. I don't know if I know. I don't know if inside...

So there was a car outside your home?

I mean, somewhere they had to take...

Exactly.

...to McNeil.

I mean, they took it... That's a reality. Your daughter is not there.

Someone stole it.

Exactly. So, that's where I was coming in again. I didn't realize. Okay, you tell me that car. But these people I'm telling you about...

And do you see some people there with the car and everything?

No, you just see...

It's just that the video is shown to him.

Ah.

Nothing else.

I didn't see it.

Why?

I don't know.

That's another point that stands out to me, or I say, why just him? And not me. I said, why only him? And he said, no. Where were you when they showed you the video? I don't know, I think we both went to to declare again and all that. And when he came out he told me, you know what?

They showed me the video like this and that. And I said, why didn't they show me? I don't know. So, he's the one who watches the video. I don't... He's the one who watches the video. I have no idea about that video. I haven't seen it.

The last times I went, I told him there's a video like this and that. I said, why haven't they shown it to me? Ah, you have to download it and we'll show it to you. We'll show it to you the next time you come. But they never showed it to me.

I never saw it.

Why do you think I know?

Well, I don't know. I really don't know. Because when they told me that, they told me that I had to be careful. Because if your wife did something, maybe you can recognize the car.

Okay. But I said, but hey, I don't know that car, I don't know who it is. But this said, but hey, I don't know that car, I don't know who it is. But this guy, the one I was telling you about at the beginning, the mechanic, was at that time, that same day, on these same streets,

supposedly drinking here, behind my house, and then he went to that part. Because that's what he says, not me, nor our invention. There he says he was doing that. So if that's the time he was there and the car is here and in another statement he says he doesn't know anything and he didn't see anything, then how?

I mean, he was here but he didn't see here? I mean, I don't understand you. No, it's just that, until then it was like, no, it's not that, tiene que haber, es otra cosa, vamos línea de investigación por línea y hasta que se agote una, continuamos a la siguiente y así. Ah, ok, perfecto. Pues yo dejé que se hiciera supuestamente su trabajo, ¿no? Porque pues para eso estaban ellos haciendo las indagatorias y revisando los videos a fondo y todo.

De hecho, ese video y esa cámara la proporcionamos nosotros ese mismo día. I made that video and we gave that camera to him that same day. That day, a neighbor... You guys gave that video to him? Yes, the neighbor said, hey, come here, you know I have the camera and it's going to your house. Really. Yes, run. So when I was going to go, these PDI officers took me there.

They took me up and said, my dad, there's no problem. I'm going, I already you. Oh boy. Yeah, you've got a memory and I hope you get a lot of money. And don't say it's one. He said, I don't know. But I think I'm going to get a video.

No, no, no.

I don't know. I think I'm going to get a video.

I don't know.

I think I'm going to get a video. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to get a video. and when they checked it, it was already the one they were occupying. And we provided it because obviously the neighbor... And he still said, I'm not going to give anyone else the information other than Bruno. And they didn't let me pass, obviously. When they didn't let me get off the patrol, the officers, all they did was my dad and mom, who were there,

go up with the neighbor, you know, you've seen it. They give him the video and that's what they provide. From there, they cut it, they see it, I don't know what they've done to him. But in the end, from that time to here, there has never been a... They told me that they were going to send him to a laboratory, that they were going to clarify, that they were going to try to see the plates x and y but until the date that I know that video never never that type of this one, yes of

methodology of declaration I do not know the term of

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Only the tests that mark there are the most like the most refutable that is the video with the sequence its 70 and so many images of the house where the stains are shown by the light, and the statements of the neighbors. Well, yes, none obviously says that we committed something, but obviously they say,

no, it's just that the boys were either drinking or they were always partying, or they're more than anything, the statements they have.

In that video with the car, what do you see? So it's nothing more than the car arrives, it has the lights on, do you see something, any movement?

You don't see anything, you don't see anything. You don't even see if a see anything from the back. If you open a door, if you close it, you can't see anything. Because obviously, if you had seen something of that magnitude inside the unit, it would have changed the whole aspect from the beginning. Because that glass has been there from the beginning, from four years ago. You can't see anything and even now it's still not visible. You can only see how it stands out.

That's why I had my theory, which I didn't see anything. You could only see how they were standing outside. That's why I didn't let go of my theory. I said, if this one was standing in front, or was checking, and the other one was behind, or was also watching, or because they were there,

and after that, what did they do? And they said, no, it's that in front, still in front of the house, there was like an empty space lot between two houses that crossed to the other street. There you can see a silhouette,

because you can't even see it, you can see a silhouette of a person crossing that land, but you can't see from my house, but you can see from there to the other street. So, it's okay, it's perfect there to the other street. Okay, it's perfect.

On the other side of that street, there's a store, that store has a camera. There's no sequence, no tracking of where did he come from, who was that person, nothing else, it's just where it looks blurry. Just where it looks blurry, here you're looking,

here you can see that you're leaving your house, so I say it saying that. Okay? Or if not, that's your brother. Okay? And the car, because you did it here. Okay?

That's the... That's the foundation from the beginning. And it's the one that continues, from what I see. Because there's no other thing. And even the officers told me, look, whether or not he finds found, you're screwed. So those were the words of,

as it were, arriving at the checkpoint.

For the video.

You're screwed, whether he's found or not. So I say, well, what's up? It's not just the fact of trying to track the investigation, the search. It's just, no, here he is, there he was, this is what he does, to the search. She just said, no, it was here, there it was, this is what is being done, and she left.

Because before that, so that the arrest warrant could be turned, the prosecutor had already turned it. And the judge denied it for lack of evidence and for the time that had already been taken since then, since the age of four. the time it had been since the four years.

Obviously, maybe they gave it to him, but what did he do? He had to ask for it again at home, he went to the house, he found more, what he could find, and obviously they already present this evidence. With this evidence, supposedly more advanced or more, I don't know, like more fundamental, there were a lot more, already 70 and so many photos of I don't know, like, more fundamental. There were a lot more, 70 and something photos of I don't know what. I mean, I believed what they said, not what was going on.

And that's what the judge said in the first hearing. He's linking you to the process for this, for this, for this. But it doesn't mean that you're guilty or that you're innocent. He's going to prove you. But in the meantime, sit down. You're going to jail. Sit down, my child.

But there's no way to know if it's you in that video.

I think that if we already had that information, we wouldn't be here.

Of course. You'd be in jail with a sentence.

Exactly.

Have you already been sentenced?

No, not yet.

No, first of all, not yet.

Yes, yes. what sentence are you...

It's a sentence of... First, they marked it 35 for forced disappearance. Then, the aggravating factor for being... Minority. Minor in age and daughter and the relative, obviously, went up to 70 and 75 years.

And obviously, they ask for that, they ask for the maximum. to the next one. How do you explain this to a two-year-old girl? Three years old, had a little daughter... Two years. ...and her sister disappeared?

I couldn't.

At the time, she was on vacation, but she'll be back. But, like I said But she's not stupid. She's very intelligent. She can handle things on her own. And when I went to school. She brought her friends. She also gives her version that her sister was robbed.

She says that. Yes, my sister was robbed.

How strong.

Yes.

She's very smart.

And as she said, it's always, I'm here, Dad. Don't cry, don't be sad. I'm here.

And we go back to the same conflict. What do you do? Do you look for one and leave the other? conflicto que haces? Buscas a una y dejas a la otra? O que hacen? O seguimos adelante. Porque para el mundo, el mundo no para. Pero para nosotros desde hace cuatro años creo que estamos perdidos sin saber. But for us, I think that for four years now, we've been lost, without knowing. We've tried to move forward, but we haven't. Because we're still in the same place.

And the question is always, where is it? And what have they done to find it? Because we wanted to trust the justice system, right? That we have, as far as I know. And I don't see them looking for her. On the contrary, it's just one more.

And let's go. Wow. We're going to see her? Of course. We can't lose her. My two daughters are in this house.

Well, no. It's a moment to think that she's somewhere. To get the idea that she's going to come back. Because, for example, the kings arrive and his kings are not missing. He arrives and here he is. For us he has not left, for us he is still here, because a moment is going to come and he is going to say, hey dad, and I'm going to say, look, here they are, because they forgot us and here they are. I don't know, it's something that says, you'll see, that everything will return to normal.

We know that, in the end, given the circumstances in which everything is, everything is seen as against. And obviously, people have their perception of the situation. Everyone has their situation arranged. Everyone says, no, yo hubiera hecho esto

y esto y esto. O no, yo hago lo otro y aquello y se arregla. O sea, si todo mundo sabe qué hacer con tu vida y con la suya, bueno, quién sabe. Pero con la tuya la tienen más que resuelta. Entonces ahí es donde dices, no sabes ni qué hacer. Si lo dejas pasar, si If you let it pass, if you don't let it pass, if you do this, you do that. Everything will be bad in the eyes of anyone. Not everyone will have the same perception, the same criteria. Everyone will think,

no, it's just that, why did he do this to me, if not the other? It's just that, why didn't he do it to me? No, I did. I mean, it's a lot. But in the end, that there are, that no, it's better to say it or that the same people do not.

You have to accept a reality that maybe this can happen, yes, because you are also not reached to what may not happen, no, or what could be or not. But that you are still having hope, that you are still having the illusion of having both and going back to what you lost at the beginning, yes. And it continues, right? Nothing happens here. Here we continue to wait for that.

And God, I'm not going to be the only one to say, you know, it's over. No, it's their turn. Because it's not like that. It was never like that. And maybe there were mistakes in the situation,

in everything that happened, mistakes, but not of that magnitude.

So you live here, in this house, you saw each other again after six months of not seeing each other, you can't see your daughter, you can't have any kind of contact, because I imagine she's also in the victim's category. Yes. Is there any evidence against your daughter?

Is there any evidence that you say you were bad parents with your little daughter?

Well, no.

No, I'll tell you that they told me they took her to a doctor, she was fine. She's also going to the psychologist. And in the same way, it's a matter of him and me. It's okay. There are no signs of violence or anything like that. On the contrary, the only thing that they are working on with her is the...

The robbery of her sister.

The robbery of her sister and the day that I tell you that they hit me in front of her. So that's also because it generates affection. No, it must be brutal to see that the police hit your mom, you don't know what, and then the worst thing is that the other kids

take you and separate you from them.

And in the same way, obviously, you are believing. For example, right now, they are dealing with her psychological issue. If you take it for her, they are supporting her. But given the circumstances from the beginning,

it's also scary.

It's also scary.

Because they don't use it.

For example, the girl at some point, she didn't have to know where we were or why we were there. And after the talks she had with the people from the DIF or the psychologists who send her, obviously the girl has the total context.

What do they tell her?

Because she told me like that once on a call. And she said, Dad, I already know where you are. I told her I was working said, Dad, I know where you are. I told her I was working. Dad, I know where you are. Oh, really? So you're still here, Pulco?

No. You're in jail, Dad. Because of my little sister. Those are her words. Because of my little sister. You're being accused of doing something to her.

But it's not true, because I know you love us very much. And I felt a courage at that moment and a stomach ache, like, why does she have to tell me that?

It's up to you to tell that.

And who told her? So, I'm not sure how to do the methodology that he's using in his psychological situation. But, based on what is a psychological study, I don't think that those comments should be in his treatment of the girl. He should be able to see where her parents are, what they did, or why.

And how she... More like, why is he giving her information

and then what statement is she going to give?

In the same way, he wants her to be questioned about what she knows about her sister. And have you questioned her? Is there a statement? No.

She also, on the phone, told me, Mom, they asked me what I knew about my brother.

And what do you tell her?

I tell her, who? No, a man. That day they took you. Because he didn't tell me.

And what did she say?

No, that she didn't know anything. I mean, that she knew he was being robbed. No, que ella no sabía nada. O sea, que ella sabía que se la robaron. Te comento, pues, nosotros tratábamos de decirle, no, pues está de vacaciones o anda de paseo, ¿no? Pero ella solita...

Pero sabe, sabe. A final de cuentas sabe la situación también. Porque ella mismo, como te comento, en esa llamada ella me dijo, She knows. She knows. She knows. She knows the situation. Because she told me on that call, but I know, dad, that you don't know anything because you want us to be here. And that's something that comforts me at that moment. But in the end, you realize that there is someone there

trying to find something or trying to put something where it's not there. So, yes, all that is worrying, right? The fact that she sometimes tells us, when I go out, I call her, but obviously, on a normal call, as she did being in there.

We agreed not to tell her, precisely so as not to disturb her, so that she wouldn't despair and know that we were here. Because we knew it was a process.

And then, all of a sudden, she said, Dad, are you going to leave? Yes, who told you that? Mom. She was told that she was going to leave. But a lady told me not to get my hopes up because I wouldn't be able to be with you. Wait, again, again, again.

What? And I say, who told you that? The one from the DIF, dad? I mean, still... Like, why call him? Your parents are going to leave soon. But don't get your hopes up that you're going to be with them.

I mean, what information should she have? How old is she now? She's going to be 17. She's very young. And what for do they have all that information in their head? That she shouldn't have?

I mean, I think far from far from the psychological thing that happened. I think they're throwing something different at him. I don't know if it's like blaming, but it's not to what degree. I mean, affecting him to blame us? I mean, that's what I don't understand. I still don't understand what their goal is with what they're doing.

Because they either fuck you, or fuck me, or fuck us. It's like that. It's one or the other, and like they said, you already fucked, you show up or you don't show up. So, you wait for any of the three opas, right? But within the, you already fuckedingaste, pues ya estamos. ¿Cuándo es audiencia?

El día de mañana. El día de mañana es la audiencia. Primero de octubre, no, 30 de septiembre. 30.

Okay.

Ah, 30 de septiembre. A ver este. Nos hablan, para ver cómo les fue. Sí, sí, sí, sí. September 30. Okay. September 30. Talk to us to see how it went. Yes, yes, yes.

Thank you both for trusting in penance, for telling us this tragedy. And nothing, I hope things will get better, but I hope you know about your daughter as soon as possible.

Yes, first of all, Thank you very much for listening.

Thank you for giving us the opportunity to speak and defend ourselves. The most important thing is that this is the version of your facts, and that you have the right to reply to everything that is being said out there.

Thank you both. Thank you. se

Durante estos cuatro años y medio hasta el día de hoy seguimos en proceso legal con obstáculos

presiones tortura física y psicológica

de esas estancias on seguimos siendo hasta alguno de nuestra hija y el dolor sigue. Solo se aprende a sobrellevar. A pesar de que las desapariciones en la zona fueron y siguen en aumento, en nuestro caso están enfocados en nosotros y no como tal en la búsqueda, con tal de cerrar una carpeta y colgarse una medalla. con tal de cerrar una carpeta y colgarse una medalla.

Los afectados seguimos siendo nosotros.