DETIK-DETIK TERAKHIR RAYA: BIKIN NYESEK!

The worm has been in her stomach for years. You found the worm in the hospital? Yes, in the hospital. We even have a video of it coming out of the vagina.

From the vagina?

Yes, the anus.

And it's still alive?

Yes.

It's my duty. I'm a doctor, I have to do all of this. But I have a daughter. If someone comes to me and it hurts like this. If I want to let go, I feel so good.

But what's the big deal, TIIN? TIIN can't help everyone. TIIN is not an Avengers.

That's right.

We're all sad about Raya's death. And it's like a reflection of the health portrait in Indonesia. But actually, we still have hundreds of thousands of cases that are more or less as terrible, even though it's not extremely out of the ordinary. I hope it becomes an icon to remind people

that health in Indonesia is not just good. TI-in, I'll call you TI-in.

Yes, Doc. Wow, You made me cry this morning.

God willing.

T.I.N. where do you live?

I'm still feeling heavy.

I haven't started yet. God willing. In Bandung, Doc.

In Bandung.

T.I.N. How did you meet him for the first time?

Yes, Doc. I have three houses in Sukabumi, Doc. Three houses. There are 21 houses in four cities. One of them is Sukabumi. So, the call center in each city usually receives a complaint from the community.

On July 13th, we received a report from the Raya Association about a case of Raya. So, as soon as we received the report on July 13th, my team and the ambulance, came straight to the place. What was the report?

The report said there was a child in a drop condition. They asked for help. Why did they report it to the state? Alhamdulillah, Doc. Why Alhamdulillah? I mean, in our field of practice.

I don't know, Doc, there are thousands of cases that have been reported to us. Maybe because we declared them as NGOs, especially for humanity. Okay. Before I go there, I want to know. Is Rumah Teduh a member of BPJSK, a member of Kemenkeska? What is this?

No, Doc.

Why is Rumah Teduh being searched for?

Alhamdulillah. Why was it found in a nursing home? Praise God. We didn't have a nursing home from the start. But we saw that health care in Indonesia still has many holes and weaknesses. There are many points that concern us. And then, a decade ago, we decided that if there was no independence or NGO,

like us, many people will be very sick and not be treated. That's for sure. I can tell you a lot of cases. Oh yeah, BPJS is also a big problem. BPJS can't always solve the problem, Doc. There are so many problems in BPJS.

So many. Especially today, in 2025, our economic problems are getting more complicated. Now, the problem is as simple as that. The people can't pay BPJS because they are in debt. Because they don't have money, they are in debt. And maybe you know that when the people are in debt,

let's say the rent is 3 million. It's obvious that they are poor, he doesn't have money, that's why he's on a fine of up to 3 million. When he's in the care of the orphanage, there's a fine for the fine, and it can be 100%. So can you imagine people choosing to not take medicine because they know

the BPJS is dead, and they know that if he's in the care of the orphanage, other than the 3 million fine, he'll get another one. I'm sorry, I'm asking. I'm not updating it. Isn't BPJS free? There are several types of BPJS. There is an independent BPJS where people have to pay.

I know.

There is a subsidy from the government. There are two types of subsidies. There is one from the central government, and there is one from the regional budget. The regional budget from APBD. The regional budget usually has a smaller quota, depending on how much budget they have in the area.

What we found in the field is, Doc, I'm in a very small area, like a small garret, I like the land, the end of the city is 7-8 hours. We see a lot of people who are not part of BPJS, which should be BPJ be under the government, which is free because they are too poor.

Not fully covered. Not fully covered. A lot of people, including Raya's family.

Okay.

And this home is specifically for those who are looking for health.

That's right.

I'm specifically for those who have health problems and haven't been treated, can't be treated because they he doesn't have a PPJS or he's in a wheelchair or maybe he's dead and in a wheelchair. Or maybe when he doesn't want to make a PPJS and he doesn't get a free quota from the government.

But why is Darullah suddenly in an accident and he needs money to go to the hospital? It means he uses cash if you don't have a budget. Well, cases like that, we have to have an emergency door, right? That's a lot, Doc. Child cases, DPD, thrombocytes have fallen. When you enter the hospital, you don't have an identity, you don't have a BPJS.

Then how do we handle cases like this? If we are independent, we don't have a solution for this. Health must be very open, the open and flexible. Okay, we'll get back to that later. But let's focus on Aya first. So, you got a call from... A family member called and said that their child was dropping.

We didn't know what it was like. So, we came straight to the hospital. We checked and the saturation level was already low. We usually have standard medical equipment. We check the saturation, the TNC, and so on. The child didn't realize it when we arrived. He didn't realize it?

He didn't realize it. But at home? At his house. At his house, which is viral. It's everywhere, right? At his house, we checked.

He didn't realize it. And the saturation was low. We put in oxygen. At that time, my team immediately brought him to the city with the assumption that the city is the largest hospital. So we took him there. A few hours at the hospital, even though he didn't have an ID and a BPJS,

Alhamdulillah. He didn't have an ID?

He didn't have a brother.

He didn't have a brother?

If he didn't have a brother, how could he get a BPJS? That's right. He didn't have a brother is not only Raya, but also her brother who is 7 years old, and her mother doesn't have one either. Even though her mother is a few years older.

Even in a formal way, there is no way there is a BPJS.

That's it. So, can you imagine our excitement? Alhamdulillah, the hospital is very cooperative with us. Because the hospital has been our regular customer. So, she was very peaceful by giving three days. Three days, he said, is that standard? Hospital gives three days, he didn't enter first. What is this patient under? Private or insurance or BPJS?

Anyway, he was handled first. The hospital is already really cool. So he said, give three days. We immediately, that's where the problem actually started. The three days given, we immediately manage to the related parties.

The Teduh homeless, right? Yes, the one that helps the homeless. The important thing is that the money has been sent to the PICU. It's sent directly to the PICU? Not used for maintenance? I'm sorry, but we want to open it so it's good. We want to give a good compliment.

Which hospital?

RSUD Syamsuddin. Okay, providing the best service. Alhamdulillah, I don't use any kind of money. I've been to a few hospitals, and no one asked for money for their depoxit. But that's normal, it's the right of the hospital. Especially when the private sector is not crowded anymore. But they are already doing a great job. They are very helpful.

So no medicine is being held back. No medicine is being held back. and all that, it's expensive if we underpay for it per day. It's safe, as long as we... But Rumah Tadu guarantees it. We say, if we don't get it in three days, we guarantee we'll pay.

Okay.

Amazing, Rumah Tadu.

Alhamdulillah.

Next, Rumah Tadu helps you manage it. Yes, Alhamdulillah, for three days. That's right, and in the viral video, there was a detailed procedure that Ian had to go through. On the 22nd, on the day Raya passed away, it was her sister's family card. It hadn't reached BPJS.

So it's already too late. But for Ian, the problem is this, Doc. If Raya was safe, it's already handled. What Ian is very concerned about and makes me cry is this. Oh God, what if there are people whose cases are like the party, whatever the disease, we don't have to talk about worms, right?

Even the DBD can kill, right? If it's not handled quickly. What if a community like this doesn't get help from people who understand like us, they might not be able to get treatment. Those who understand are still in the dark. Those who understand, Alhamdulillah. So I'm sad, how many thousands of people out there are like that.

Actually, the intention of making that video is to say, we have a big problem. Not everyone is detected by the NGOs concerned. So what? Where does this come from? The village has already raised it. Now, it's also detected by NGOs. What should we do? Where does this come from?

The village has already been lifted?

Yes. So, according to the order, we have already done everything. And the last one is... What's the problem? The first problem is that we don't have an identity. So, we have to make it first.

There is another problem. The district office or the district's dean says that we don't have the budget, they didn't have the MOU with the city hospital, and asked the patient to be moved to the district hospital. The equipment was already installed, why would I move the patient to a smaller hospital? Wait a minute, this is still an identity issue, right?

Yes. Why all of a sudden? Because they don. Wait a minute. It's still an identity problem, right? Yes.

Why suddenly?

Because he doesn't have a solution. And we are pressuring him. We showed him the video of the worm. We showed him the extreme. We said, how come? The patient is already very troublesome.

Then how to pay? We don't want to suddenly say, calm down, we have money. No, it's not like that. This is their responsibility. I mean, if I can get a haircut, why not? I have a lot of patients. I agree with that.

We still try to be on the side. But this child is already in the hospital. We try to return it to the topox. But for three days, we can't get it. We can't get it. Well, that's it. Maybe it. Well, maybe that's how it should be.

But what I want to tell the people is, I've been doing this for over ten years. One year ago, I met Prof. Dante. I said, I understand that this country is very busy. I understand the government has a lot of work.

But Prof, aren't we agreed that health can't be delayed? The treatment can't be delayed. This is a matter of life. We don't have to go to school for a year or two, right? It's okay, don't go to school for too long, it's okay. But if the child wants to die, you can't, you can't handle it. So I said I'm not blaming anyone. I've been pointed out that I'm not blaming the government. No, Prof, I understand. But can you not support me so that many people want to help me?

Because I can show hundreds of cases, Doc, which we handle short. There are so many, let's open it, let's open it with all the examples of the videos. short. I'm looking for money. I'm not an entrepreneur. My followers used to be 100,000, now it's because of the villa, Alhamdulillah, it's 300,000. I'm tired of looking for money. I said, there are too many problems, can't I help all of them? That's it, Doc. We can't rely on them.

They're really busy and this system is complicated, because it's made from the center. They are in the field, they only running a system that is made by people who are not very flexible in health care. Like what I said earlier, how come people who have been on leave and can't pay the PPJS have to pay the penalty for being on leave? How is that possible? Have you seen the cases where they have to pay like that?

Even today, many people ask me about being on leave. Sometimes my job is to pay the PPJS so that he can get the treatment. Because he can't get the treatment if the BPJS doesn't come out. I'm just so tired. But I can't stop because I know there's no system that can really shortcut for the people. Imagine, I've experienced this in my lifetime.

I'm a doctor, so I know. Imagine, there's a 14-year-old kid, what year was it? He came to me at 14, his stomach was big, like he was 9 months pregnant. At 14, his body was already gone because of the tumor.

To be able to do it, you have to have a diagnosis. A diagnosis is the same as a lot of initial tests. This, that, this, that. Including one of is CT scan. Can you imagine, a CT scan, what year was that? CT scan takes 6 months.

6 months just to get a CT scan. Entry. Entry, because it's overloaded in the hospital. Under BPJS, don't talk about pregnant women. Pregnant women can have hundreds of hospitals as an option. So, I'm not a doctor.

I'm just a beginner who thinks, Oh God, in just two months, my stomach is about to explode. I can give all the documentation to the doctor. In two months, my stomach is already this big.

How can I wait for six months just to get the CT scan results? How long will it take for the CT scan to show any signs?

Is that true, Doc?

I've experienced this at the hospital. People with bone cancer, some people have broken bones. Even if the bones are healed, they still have to be broken again. Because they have been waiting for so long.

Yes, that's right. It has to be broken again. Astaghfirullah. Because it's already too late. It's too late. It has to be fixed.

It has to be fixed.

Correct. So if the CT scan is six months later, then you know, I've also experienced a time from the diagnosis to the operation execution, there is one year, there is nine months. So how can it be valid after one year, right? Because this is a year ago, the results can be different. It still happened, right?

That was a few years ago. So what I experienced in our episode of struggle, every year there are always different events or problems. But in the end, it's still the same. We don't have an emergency door for cases like this.

Bureaucracy is the problem.

Bureaucracy is really extraordinary. Who do we want to access? I've often tested, if I need emergency funds for an emergency, because the person involved doesn't have a BPJS, for example, or an emergency, the child must go to the UGD,

must go straight to the PICU. to the emergency department. They have to go straight to the hospital. That's the weekend. Can government offices be accessed on the weekend?

It's impossible.

I've received answers that can't be accessed. Because they have to be accessed on Monday, Tuesday, and so on. If we talk about health, it's already an emergency. The calculation is hours, the calculation is minutes. The hospital needs the emergency assistance now. I'm struggling like this because I feel directly involved with them.

I don't know their needs below. So this is amazing. Okay, what happened with Raya? What's with Raya?

Why is she?

Okay, Raya, I'm sorry, I'm so sorry. This is the information I know and I see. Because this information may be contrary to the information of our regional leaders. But we see from the beginning that her mother is not mentally healthy. Doc, do you agree if we talk about ODGJ? ODGJ is not necessarily someone who...

ODGJ people always assume that ODGJ is always naked, angry, and crazy. ODGJ is the same as people who have mental illness. Do people with mental illness have to be naked?

Not really.

A lot of people use NPD, right?

Yes.

That's kind of a mental issue, right? Especially when it's so obvious. Even though he's not naked, not wearing a glass mask, but he clearly has a mental issue.

What is it?

Because he doesn't talk in a normal way, sometimes he talks in a messy way. Parents, no matter how simple they are, mothers, no matter how simple a mother is, she knows how to take care of her child naturally. She doesn't have to be smart, but she naturally understands. But how can we see that the mother of the child

from the beginning let the child be a good child, go into the house, play with the ground, play with the chickens and their dirt, so she never does the hygiene. Even from the chickens and their dirt. So it's never hygienic. Even from the Posh Yandu side, they have stated that they rarely, not routinely, control the Posh Yandu.

They said, we give them a bottle of worm medicine, this is what I immediately, immediately, also, I mean, not immediately, I regret it, I'm sorry. I regret it because I said, how could a being rebellious, I'm just regretting it. I'm sorry. I'm regretting it because I said, how could a parent who is ODGJ give their child medication? Would they be given it? No.

Do they understand? No. Let's not talk about medication. The most standard thing, is what they do to their child. If they are mentally unhealthy. I also have a mental rehab center

at Peaceful Land. It's where I facilitate patients with mental disorders. So I understand that there are a lot of parents who can't take care of their children because their parents are already toxic. And they don't have to look like crazy people. Parents who are very careless can't be mentally healthy.

Finally, Raya, in such that situation, including her father, we have a video, maybe, God willing, we will release it today, how her father's grandmother admitted that her father was not mentally healthy. Imagine, on the day Raya died, we brought her from the hospital to her house, her father was not there, and he didn't go home either, didn't know where he went. Is there a healthy parent, a healthy father, a dead child, he's not there. He didn't go home, he didn't know where he was going. Were there healthy parents?

Healthy father? A dead child? He wasn't there. During the 9-day Eid in the hospital, was his father and his mother the ones who took care of him? No. Were those healthy parents?

Healthy parents wouldn't do that because they weren't capable of accompanying him on his Eid in Pecuh. When Tehiin came to meet Raya, he didn't even realize it. What was his parents' response? Like a confused person, actually. Even though on the last day, they cried. He asked how Raya was. He couldn't answer, couldn't express his sadness.

People with mental issues can't express themselves anymore. They can't say sad things, can't say angry things. Sometimes it's like that, like a confused person. Like they don't know what was happening. Did his father come to the hospital? No. How can you say his father is healthy? I have a lot of statements.

I saw some news portals. Some portals came to the location, interviewed, etc. There was a famous portal. He wrote that he met the village chief. The village chief said his father was already gay.

Okay.

What was the condition of Did you not realize it?

Raya, I was in a coma. I couldn't communicate. You weren't fainted, right?

You were in a coma from the start?

I couldn't communicate. My eyes were half open, but I didn't realize it.

Okay. You were taken to the hospital. When you got there,

you met a worm to the hospital and found worms? I didn't understand. I'm not a medical person, so I didn't understand. We and the medical team didn't know that there were hundreds of worms in his body. We found out after we put on all kinds of infusions. And I, as a common person, thought, maybe because his body had started to weaken, so the worms didn have any nutrition inside,

no food, no oxygen, so he's always out. As long as there's food, he'll stay inside too, right? This hasn't been treated yet, Doc. So because we don't know about his kidney, it hasn't been treated yet, he's already out.

How big is that?

15 cm, 20 cm. Doctor, I'll show you the real video later, Because I don't want to be blurred. And it's still alive? It's still alive. We even have a video of it coming out of the vagina.

From the vagina?

Yes, the vagina, the anus. From every hole. Mouth, eyes. From the eyes, if I'm not mistaken. The nose, and the mouth. So...

Oh, it came out from the nose, the long one.

The long nose came out. The long nose. The mouth came out. The mouth came out too. So, it's from the inflammation.

From the anus, I understand.

And from the vagina. There will be a video of the vagina. She crawled up. That's why the doctor said, the nurse said, no wonder this child's oxygen ran out in her body

because it was taken by the worms.

And the results were deadly, like...

Up to 1 kg, it wasn't over yet. The scary thing was, until what day, even though on the first day, there were worms, the doctor gave him medicine, worm medicine, and he didn't kill me for three days. So, only a few days later, I was able to get out of the worm drug. Only a few days later. Maybe because I was so violent.

I don't understand. I was wrong too. I'm not a doctor.

Okay. They say that the worm eggs have reached the brain too.

Yes. We have the Ronson's effect. There are so many in the brain. Oh, the worm eggs have a lot of Ronson's in our brain. Oh, the egg is already in the brain? Yeah, the egg is in the brain. So I was actually a bit pessimistic, because I saw the worst condition, but we can't give up,

and we don't want to give up.

Excuse me, is there TBC?

Yes, there is TBC.

So his mother has TBC.

Does she have a fever? She has a fever. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. He passed away on the 9th. He never woke up.

He never recovered.

It's already too late. Can I say something on this podcast? We're all sad about his passing. It's like a reflection of the health portrait in Indonesia. But actually we still have hundreds of thousands of cases that are more or less the same horrors, although not extremely out of control, but we have to fight for these people.

Really?

I have 21 houses, Doc. 21 houses contain hundreds of patients, right? Yes, they are, Alhamdulillah, so far, the BPJS is smooth. But they are also of hundreds of patients. Yes, thank God, so far BPJS is going well. But there are also people who are struggling. And there are still people who are not covered by BPJS. There are still many people like that.

And there are still hundreds of complaints from all our call centers who are asking for help for cases of illness. So there is still a lot of work, Doc. I'm sorry, for me for cases of illness. So, there's still a lot of work to be done, Doc. I'm sorry, but for me, I saw it, I watched the full video of Raya this morning

without skipping a bit. Alhamdulillah.

In my opinion, I'm really sorry, in my opinion, Raya is really dying. It shouldn't be like that. It shouldn't be like that. It shouldn't have died. This is 2025.

In 2025, how can there still be children in Indonesia

who die in this way? And that's it. I'm sorry to say this, but to be a lesson for all of us, I often imagine this. I'm in a critical condition, I'm unconscious. Alhamdulillah, Allah is so good.

Raya's family contacted me. I just thought, oh yeah, I want to tell you. In the morning, before we evacuated, Raya's family already knew that Raya was sick. They took her to the clinic. The clinic wasn't a post-Christmas clinic. He was taken to a clinic.

He was told to ride a motorcycle until he was tied up with his neighbors. At the clinic, he received one tabloid. But the clinic said, this is too bad. So he couldn't be treated at the clinic

that morning. Finally, the clinic asked to recommend him to go to the doctor for the child. That's the Raya. Well, because the Imam doesn't have an identity, he has to pay for it. I'm sorry, I also want to clarify the news

that is circulated everywhere, or comments from netizens who may be a little angry with me because I mentioned about the clinic. Can I clarify here too?

Sure, go ahead.

So, I do say everywhere that the clinic is Can I clarify here? Sure, go ahead.

So, I said that the clinic is paying 600,000 Rupiah, but because they don't have money, they only pay 100,000 Rupiah and then they are released. Thank you to the clinic that has helped and released their family from having to pay. And I'm sorry, maybe because I'm in pain and a little emotional,

I said, why did I give the clinic a suggestion to go to the pediatrician, but I didn't think about whether he could go to the pediatrician at home. People go to the clinic, but they can't pay. Did he get to the pediatrician? I regret that. But that was the best advice at the time. Yes, maybe.

For the clinic. I, as a normal person, I think the clinic must know that he won't be able to go to the doctor. Because he can't afford to go to the clinic. How else can he go to the doctor? I hope so. It's true that this is not the clinic's job to think about or bring this child to the doctor.

Not really. But I'm just a normal person who actually... Is this my obligation? As a doctor, I have to do all of this. But I have a kidney. Someone came to me, and it hurts like this.

So I'm sorry. Can you not know about this condition? We are talking about empathy, right? Kidney again, right? There are a lot of my friends who work in a private hospital. When a patient comes to their clinic, they say,

Iin, this patient is really incapable. I can't handle her here because she's a private patient. I can't help her here. Iin, can you help? Iin, can you pick her up? She doesn't have money.

Iin, to live in Bandung, where is she from? Can you just call anyone, a human being in this big city? Can he, Doc? That's not the job of my friend's doctor. His job is to just arrive at the practice room.

But once he sees a child with a scar, he's like, yes, that's what I mean. If not, it's okay, because his job is to arrive there. But we can't be stiff, right? Then what about me?

I mean, I called... I work with a hospital in Malang. Anywhere in the city where there is a TEDU hospital. When the hospital said, I'm sorry, we don't have it. I know that's the system.

They don't want to be stubborn. That's the system. So finally they said, can you help me hitchhike? I don't want to bring poor people. Okay, as long as I have money. That means they still have information about me. They can't do it because they are people on the street who are controlled by the system.

It's not wrong.

But once something happens in front of their eyes, they have to make an effort to call their friends. Take it out of my own pocket. If I had it, if I didn't, I would call. There are a lot of ambulances in every city. That's what I mean. So I'm sorry. I'm not just, can we all practice our hearts?

This is not our job. If it's not our job, then the job of the house is not my job. Right, Doc? If I just let go, what am I doing? This is a government job. I can do that.

But my heart can't. I have faith, even if it's just a little. And God asks, we don't stay silent if we hear things like this. If I want to let go, I'm fine. Why am I so serious? It's not my job at all.

But with this podcast, with all the talk, I'm inviting people. We're facing a world that's getting crazier. The oppression is getting worse. Let's do it together. It's not a big deal for Allah.

We'll return to Allah. We'll be asked, what's the use of our knowledge, our faith, our so-called faith? Just for a living, at home alone, it's not like that, doc. I only have three, doc. What do you want to say? I don't have the knowledge, I just learn.

Not anyone, looking for money, also, playing here and there. Okay, Tehyin, I want to know what's really happening in the region. What's really happening to those who need this? One, BPJS.

A lot of people are on the rise.

A lot of people are on the rise because the economy is getting more and more difficult. BPJS is automatically on the rise. The system doesn't make it easy for them to survive. Imagine if it's already on the retired, you have to pay rent. That's too much. Second, I don't know about the process of giving BPJS,

the APBD, under the government. Somehow, we found, even though, please don't follow this, netizens. I found a lot of facts that sometimes BPJS for free is accepted by people who actually don't have the right to receive it.

Oh, yeah. Sometimes, free BPJS is accepted by people who don't have the right to receive it. Oh. Oh, yes. Let's say, there are 100 BPJS quotas from the government in this area. The poor can't get a share. And this is a matter of controlling. Controlling in this field.

That's it. That's a problem that's really broken. That's still happening. A lot. A lot of people we see, why is this person... We hear it.

That's why my job, besides sometimes, if this is not sometimes, I'm afraid all Indonesian people will ask me to pay the BPJS. I see, this is already troublesome.

Rather than paying the debt, I'd better close the BPJS. I also count, closing the BPJS should pay the debt. I also count the debt. I pay the debt, 3 million. If I use the debt, 1 million a day. I don't know how long it will take. I just pay it.

I mean, my job is not only facing these things. I also, when there are conditions that the community really doesn't have, we make it. That's my consideration again. Rather than helping him, I use the debt. I better process it. But the weakness is, if BPJS is done before the illness, it's safe.

So when the illness comes, BPJS is already there. But if the patient is already bleeding, the thrombosis has already decreased, BPJS will take effect 14 days later. Can I ask something like this? I've never used BPJS, so I don't know. Let's talk about this. As long as we use BPJS, is our health guaranteed?

That's my problem. That's why I have a house for ten years. So, my patients, thank God BPJS, thank you so much. Because hundreds, thousands of patients, if you count from ten years ago, my patients were very helpful. Chemotherapy,o, surgery, radiotherapy, and everything. But we all know that BPJS is a very limited platform. How many times do I have to cover drugs that are not covered by BPJS?

Don't be like that. Just take painkillers. MST. MST is a standard for patients. My cancer is three times higher. Can you imagine how painful they are?

There is one example of a case that I am about to raise, not raise, I want to share to show how my patient, cancer rectum, every day of pain is given an MST once, which is 10 ml, it's not enough.

Meanwhile, he only gets it for 2-3 days. Every day of pain, he has to drink 3 times, or else it'll get sick. Where does the MST come from? The BPJS quota is only a little. So, whether I want it or not, I contact my doctor friend, can you prescribe me MST?

I mean, I tell the patient, like this, this, this, so that the MST has to be prescribed. But, we buy the tunai, because it doesn't meet the... Okay. What I mean is that BPJS is very helpful, but in some cases, BPJS is still not enough to cover some cases. Because the budget per case is sometimes not enough. Sometimes I think like this. I'm a really stupid person, actually.

Now, there is one thing. They have made a rule at the beginning that the platform for one case is 5 million. So it was already set from the beginning. If you treat it enough, the number will drop. If you treat it less, the number will drop. We can't predict the patient's development. So what happens when the platform is finished on the field,

it can be that the patient has to go home because the quota is already finished. While talking about health, it can suddenly drop. It can suddenly have to be home because my quota is running out. While health care can suddenly drop so many days. It can suddenly have to be this and that. So, can health care be budgeted at the beginning? Meanwhile, we don't know. Everyone's case can be different.

For some people, it may never be used at all. For some people, maybe it's only used 1 in 4 of their platform. But for some other serious cases, it might not be enough. Okay, but I also know that in some cases, I'm not saying this, but when I was still in the military, I heard that

some of them can still be played. Because, for example, one case, the budget is 5 million. We can say that we can make other cases, so we can double and so on. So it eats other platforms. But that's another case. But BPJS itself is very helpful for society.

Very helpful, very helpful, even though with society's health condition is like this, maybe because of the economy that has fallen, so that the quality of life of someone is getting lower because of poverty, so that there are many diseases. For me, I can handle babies who have been born with cancer, with extreme cases.

If I pull back, it could be because of the initial nutrition when the patient was not well, because the patient was really poor, it could be because of the contamination and all kinds of natural damage. So the cancer cases from the area

are a lot and the conditions are extreme. What is most worrisome is, and this is what I always want to tell people, why is the hospital so often, so often, evac evacuate patients in a state of delay? Patients with a swollen stomach, a big belly, and so on.

For those who have been following the homeless for a long time, listen. When we ask, why are you only getting treatment now? Why not from the beginning? Why not when you're still in the process? They don't have money. And even that, sometimes when it's already so troublesome, it's not sustainable, sometimes it's not the patient who asks for help.

It can be, yes, God's way to help is through his neighbors, my followers, etc. But that's a lot. Why? This is a complex problem. It's not enough to just have BPJS. Have you ever imagined that when a case comes from a local hospital, they have to go to a hospital in the city center, from Sukabumi to Bandung or Jakarta. Have you ever imagined how they are afraid to go to a big city

because they think, where do I live? How do I eat? to the big city because they think about where they live, what they eat, talking about cancer, it's years, it can't be over in a second. Things like that sometimes make them think, it's better not to get treatment,

because I'm leaving my child. It's complex, doc. That's why when the doctor sees me, oh God, forgive me, oh God, astaghfirullah. But I mean, I can be bold. The important thing is to get treatment.

Later, I'll leave the money at home. Or, the important thing is, there are people who accompany me. There are so many cases in our family, the family doesn't want to survive anymore because they think, this is my job in the village, what if they bring me here, we can't work, and all that.

I'll just take the patient, I'll accompany the patient with all my willingness. Imagine that. I believed that it's not that he didn't want to take medicine, his parents didn't want to fight, didn't want to survive. If he left, there was no one to feed him at home. The problem is complex.

Very complex.

Not just taking medicine,

just taking medicine when he was sick. And the solution is also complex. Case by case. For God's sake, I've handled a few cases, even the last one, which was really crazy, Shifa. Her parents raised their hands, we couldn't blame them, could we? Maybe some people, from other POVs, said, oh, her parents are not okay.

Well, her parents are the backbone of the family. There are so many of them in her house. Finally, she said, Mom, I'm sorry, I'll just take my son home. Because his son has anemia aplastic, blood transfusion. I said, are you sure your son can't get transfusion if he's bleeding?

So what? It's a long story. He said, just let him stay with me. The important thing is his son still needs to be cured.

It took about 2-3 years. His son is at our house. 10 years later, Dr. Chad can see him. Okay, because there are people who are sacrificed in other places too. to be sacrificed elsewhere. So the problem is quite complex. That's right. So we take Ali's responsibility. If I'm just very bureaucratic

by saying, sorry, Rumah Tadu only accepts patients with a companion, for example. Well, this child, I'll just return it.

It's like

a hospital that pays and there must be a companion, right?

But,

what Nurani said, this child doesn't want to recover, but he doesn't know what to do because his life depends on his parents. His parents decided something that I think is somehow very selfish. They don't want to fight, but we can't force him to think like we want to fight if our child gets sick. Because there is poverty, there is education.

Well, the fighting spirit is also not like us. But if I'm like that, I'm pressing all my ego, then we just look at the child. Can you imagine if this child is suffering from illness and doesn't get his rights,

he can't decide for himself. Okay, we help, what can we help? Sometimes I can take one person just to take care of him. Yes, flexible. I just want to take care of him. Flexible. The important thing is we have money. We can do it. There's a solution.

Okay. And when Raya went viral, until he finally died, what kind of help did you get?

Help?

Was there any help? Or was it already viral everywhere? What happened now?

For Raya, it was close. Because after the case was over, he passed away, it's closed. Because after the case is closed, I uploaded it. Who pays for the charity? We do, Alhamdulillah.

Personally?

Rumah Teduh, Yayasan. It means it's money from donors who are willing to donate.

Personally? Yes, personally from Rumah Teduh.

From Rumah Teduh?

Yes.

From donors?

From my friends.

In the end...

And there are many times when the household does that. There are many times when the number is bigger than that. I can't rely on it. I also said, it's not a lot of money. This is a note, in the bottom line.

It's not like I'm rich. The 21 houses we are running now, all of them are contracts. We are currently in a contract. So I don't have any extra money. I don't have to pay for it. I'm in a contract. Because I don't have the money to buy a house. I have 21 houses.

If I'm told, yes, you can buy a house, because you have too much money. Who said I have too much money?

How did you get the money?

From my followers, my donors, my friends. I'm in need of amen. That's why sometimes when I cry, I feel really tired. What do you mean by you feel tired? I feel tired. I was invited here to give a presentation. You know, we can't rely on the government. Most people think that we are doing well. It's okay, people have their own BPJs. It's not like that. It's complex, like what the doctor said.

We are complex. That's the problem. I told them from A to Z. People understand. I said, thank God, people on my side are helping me. I said, as long as I have money, I can fight like this for Raya and other festivals. But if I don't have money, who will blame me?

Did you get a lot of donations?

Alhamdulillah, 21 houses plus one mental and peaceful rehab area, the operation was just closed. God is generous. God is on our side, God willing. God doesn't let people get sick don't help them? So, every time someone asks for help,

yes, Alhamdulillah, we're always there.

Alhamdulillah, we're always there. As long as, if the house is full, because there are only 21 people, if it's full, what can I say? Because I also have limitations. There are limitations because of the place. Like the peaceful and mental area,

the area is big, I can only accommodate 30 patients. If anyone asks me to do a rehab, I say, I can't.

It's too much.

First, I can't. Second, my will is limited. People can't force me to do it. My money is limited too. That's why, Doc, I'm begging you.

I always, I also share this to other bodies. I just hope that what I do can be a role model. I'm not saying I'm right, but I've felt it to the end. I don't give up. What we do, others can do it too. God willing. The problem is that today in Indonesia, I see that the portion of people's attention to health is not as big as in other fields.

All fields are important, necessary. But again, as I said, if we're in one house, there are sick children, there are children who don't go to school. There's money, only 1 million. Do you want to use it for school first or to cure the illness first?

It should be the illness first.

That's why the illness is actually still a priority. What I said, if people only eat rice, it's not a problem. They can survive. As long as they're healthy. But if they're sick, they can't be cured. Children can't handle the pain.

How can we parents see their children in pain without being cured? So I think the health portion should be really big. Let's do it together, Doc. The government is busy. Did the government change the money yesterday? I'm just going to work, I don't want to be left out. I've given up, I've given up. I'm just going to work, I don't want to be left out.

I'm just going to work, I don't want to be left out. I'm just going to work, I don't want to be left out. I'm just going to work, I my God, please let me work. That's why I called Ustaz. I just want to work, Tat. I don't want to be forced to work. I've given up.

Why? I want to know why. So I can work. I don't want to waste my energy on bureaucracy. I have to be forced to work. There's someone who asked, do you have to do all this?

I've done everything. I even went to the ministry. But no.

Oh, Thein doesn't want to...

I'm tired, Doc. ...feel guilty about blaming the minister. I don't want to at all. If I do that, I'll become... I'm actually a weak person, Doc. If I'm hit, I can collapse.

If I collapse, who will move the house? So please, be nice. I'm actually a weak person. That's amazing. Tein is the head of Rumah Teduh.

I'm the founder.

The head of the foundation is Mada. I have a few right hands. I'm the founder, but I'm still very much in there. The only one who's looking for money is me. I'm holding my tears. The only one who's looking for money is me.

I'm helped by my cool media team. They're a 24 helping my media team. They work 24 hours a day. But this is proof that Allah is with us. He never lets us down. Doctors are doctors.

I got a call from the TI. What can I do for the TI? Help people understand that we're not just good. We can solve a solve many problems together. We don't need to blame anyone. We have God. We will be asked in the end.

The doctor's knowledge will be asked. I was also like, I was seen a lot of suffering. If I was asked, you see suffering, what are you doing? That's all I'm most afraid of. I have a lot of friends. What kind of education do your friends and you get?

But it's not like TEIIN is that big. TEIIN can't help everyone. TEIIN is not Avengers.

That's why others make it. If everyone else needs coaching at home, I really want to. I really want to coach them on how to do it. The crazy things we do, I want to do it. As long as you're strong enough to help. Don't be too rigid with bureaucracy.

But can I give a little discussion? This is not really a stay-in job. This is actually the government's job. That's right. So this proxy should go back to the government. When we talk like this, what we hope for is not the TIN that we're looking for.

I used to talk to Mr. Hortman Paris. When people have legal problems, they look for Mr. Hortman Paris. That's what we're talking about. Of course, if there's a problem, the police station will look for it. How can people not believe the police station, but look for it in Bangkok, Mandpah, Paris? People should look for it in the government.

People should look for it in the press. Not the TII. When the TII is looking for it, I think there's a problem in this country. I want to ask, maybe the doctors, later, there will be a lot of doctor friends, maybe if there are services that can be accessed by the public, government services, 24 hours, which can handle it, if for example on Friday night, Saturday night, there are people who enter the hospital, bleeding, don't have PPE, which can be handled immediately, please let me know, I will spread the call center, the government, if there is, so everything is mine. It should be like that.

And if we say, yes, the instances are correct, it should be, there is no more, what else? That's why there are 21 houses and many people ask for help in my city. I said, no, I have been complained to my family, because I really don't have time.

If not, I won't. What am I doing? I'm not running out of time. If not, I wouldn't... What am I doing this for? I'm not being paid, doc. I'm not being paid by Rumah Taduh. No, I'm just... Doctor, can I ask the person who's here right now? What's his salary?

Doctor, ask the ambulance driver. I'll give you his number. What's his salary? I gave him my salary, but it's the UN. I was so sad when I saw my volunteers. My volunteers, I called them at midnight, they were on the road for two hours. They were crazy. So I was like,

I said, I'm sorry, I can't glorify you. I said, I'm sorry. But I promise you will be glorified by God. I was so sad. But because I'm so idealistic,

I don't want us get any benefit from donations. No, I don't want to be like others. I want to give the most amount of my meals to the patients, not to us. We can't be rich from here. Maybe they will never be rich. Thank God I have a husband who can provide for me. I'm willing to do it.

But they are activists, Doc. They are activists, Doc. They are doctors. For God's sake, if I want to talk about COVID, wow, everyone is sick, we all have to go out. COVID, I just go into houses, I bring oxygen, I spend a billion when I'm in COVID.

No one.

I see.

Even if it's COVID, I don't give a limit. I let rich people in their houses. Those who have died, we bring them in because they don't dare. I'm sorry. Allahumma minna nausbika min anusirika bika shay'an alam. I don't want to be rude, but I mean,

my willingness has been tested. During the COVID, they didn't care at all. We didn't lock down. We didn't lock down. I mean, that's it. Don't do anything at home.

Please be taken care of. I just want to fight and close these holes. Please, government, don't be mean to me. Because I'm weak in that area. If I'm being bullied by the netizens, I'll be in trouble. If I'm in trouble, I'll feel sorry for the patients. That's it.

What do you hope for the government?

Hope? Have you ever received support from the government? Received what?

Support?

No. Hope for the government. support from the government? What support? Support? No. What are your hopes for the government?

My hopes for the government? I hope the government is corrected by God, and that they can be more flexible in handling health issues. I only hope that when the government sees that the budget is very limited, while there are too many problems, and then, I feel sorry for the lower or middle level, because they are only implementing

policies. All of these are dependent on the policies above, in the center. When the policies cannot really be on the side of the people who are sick and poor, how do we have other gateways, other exit doors that can be accessed by the community. Can you please think about how the community can stop the BPJS? Can you please think about it?

Can you please survey? If it's really poor, can they not be made white? Or if it's really poor, can they not be punished? That's something that can be done, right? Look, the patient is already sick. I can tell you more about the horrible policy. But it will be a long story.

It's okay. It's okay, it can be cut. So there is one of the BPJS policies and it happens in all areas. There is one rule that hopefully this can be evaluated is when someone gets BPJS under the government, which is APBD, let's say he lives in Pamekasan, at the end of East Java,

he is referred to Malang to do chemotherapy in the center. BPJS is valid for only three months, after three months, the reference must be renewed. The problem is when the reference is renewed, the patient must be brought to the end of the world, to the hospital. Can you imagine, if the patient is in a big CA, I want to raise the case, I just want to tell the public,

this is a child, a sarcoma CA, bone, already this big, who walks, takes an ambulance from the hospital to Saiful Anwar, I was in pain. Because of the bone. Pain. How could he be taken for 8 hours to his village just to renew the reference? Then back to Malang. Does it make sense?

Bureaucracy.

The bureaucracy doesn't make sense. I cried.

Because I thought,

what are they doing?

Can they? I even pressed my coordinator in Malang. Please, try to make a video call. If it's just to make sure that the government budget is used correctly and the people are still alive. Maybe the people are gone.

So the budget is like a waste. Can you show me a video call? Can you send a medical record? As long as the child is not taken far away, just to fix the reference. And if I'm not mistaken, tomorrow next day, the conjunction will be gone. So you have to take the child immediately.

And there are so many cases of people who don't want to go back to the hospital as long as they are being treated. Why? Because of the confusion. Alhamdulillah, if the patient is in a hospital, at the end of the world, we go to the sea, we go to Lampung, we chase them. Let's go. Bismillah.

But if the patient doesn't live in a hospital, just to get a referral, we go back to the village. We don't have money. Because the patient's father doesn't have a job. Why do Indonesian people give up on continuing treatment? Because it's complicated. BPJS is safe, but the process is this.

I went back there first, and there were a lot of patients who had given up.

I was tired.

Yes, I told the accused's family, we'll use an ambulance. If they go home, they'll take a bus.

They'll take a travel.

I'm sorry, I'm not smart, but I mean, this doesn't make sense to me. So if this can be evaluated, I'm really happy. Let's lighten their struggle. The rest, I'm as good as I can. Let the patient stay with me, eat with me, ambulance with me, it's okay.

But there are still systems that I can't control, like this.

And if it's viral like this,

many donors help? I think it started, even believe it or not I'm not the type of person who likes to check my account because I'm stressed So, thank God, because my followers are increasing I should be able to count, it should be increasing it should be because my followers are increasing Bismillah, Insha'Allah

maybe Insha'Allah, maybe Allah knows how many months I've been screaming because I'm a bit hungry hungry, it's hard to make money. It's true, for God's sake, it's hard. Because we're going to be in trouble everywhere. There are a lot of disasters in the Middle East. So, God is really good.

I didn't expect it to go viral. The creators said that 9 minutes is hard to go viral. 9 minutes is more than that. They said it could go viral in 3 minutes. But I was still surprised. But God is the Greatest.

He's so kind. Praise be to Allah. That's why I met Dr. Richard. I was so excited. I was like, I'm a doctor.

But my heart was calling. I wanted to help.

I also wanted to be a narrator. Praise be to Allah. You've been mentioned by the angels. No, I don't need to. I don't need to, but I get calls too. I want to help too. What can I help for the TEDU? If the doctor is consistent,

and becomes our donor, Alhamdulillah. If the doctor wants to donate to Alkes, I have a lot of needs. Alkes is rough. We have a wound treatment.

Doctors know, if it's BPJS, there's no hospital for the wounded. The ones that are bleeding are in our homes. So, the doctors need a lot of people. Can the doctors give me a lot of charity? They are helping my patients. When I leave the clinic, the doctors are done.

But I'm the one who's holding the patients.

Right?

I like to calculate. Where are the doctors giving charity. Where are the doctors and doctors' salaries? Where are the medical expenses? I just give the numbers.

Yes, Alhamdulillah.

I can't give the NACL. Yes, you can.

I can't give the cash. Doctors will really help the process of fighting hundreds of patients in our country.

Please. It's true, Doc.

It's like the ability of ability in the field of doctors. There are a lot of skin cancers, Doc. I want to see it. I believe in TI. Yes, Alhamdulillah. Thank you, Doc. Today I give 50 million for TI.

Allahu Akbar!

Eh?

Alhamdulillah. Thank you, Doc.

From me personally, to help the house.

Thank you, Dok. From me personally, to help the homeless.

I can pay for a house in Bandung, Dok. My contract is 55 million. In Jakarta, it's 250 million, Dok. In Jakarta, right? It's big, right? Doctor, just check the price of a house in Jakarta. My house in Jakarta, there are 3 or 4?

There are 4. One house is 200 million. Contract, Dok. Maybe the doctor has a friend who is a civil servant, he doesn't need to give me his house, just lend it to me. It's true, instead of paying the contract, I think, what is the use of a civil servant's house? Because I have to be in the RCM area, I can't be far away. RCM, Dermais. When will the doctor come to play?

The doctor will cry if he sees my patient.

It's my house.

I'm too want to cry. Please, doctor. Don't. It's making my heart soft. My heart is too soft. Doctor, if you go to our place, we haven't talked about mental health. When will we have a coffee, doctor? Mental health is definitely more serious.

Especially with the current economy that is...

Destruction. Very bad. Make sure that with the bad economy, there will be more mental disorders. There will be more criminal cases. Higher. It happens. It's real. It happens.

Doctor, if we watch a lot of viral videos of abuse cases, isn't it that people are going crazy because of porn addiction? It's everywhere. So, we see... I'm sorry, this is one of the examples of Ustaz-Ustaz in small communities, ab is one of the examples of Ustaz-Ustaz in small churches

who abused dozens of their members. We haven't talked about sexual harassment, sodomy, and so on. I'm holding a case of sodomy, Doc. We're not done until tomorrow if we talk about mental. Really. Doc, I have victims of rape. I have dozens.

Those raped by their fathers. Their fathers, their foster fathers, their foster fathers. the father of the child, the father of the child, the father of the child, the father of the child, the father of the child, the father of the child, the father of the child, the father of the child, the father of the child, the father of the child, the father of the child, the father of the child, the father of the child, the father of the child, the father of the child, the father of the child, the father of the child, the father of the child, the father of the child, who have extraordinary trauma. We must involve all the sciences, psychologists, therapy. That's why I call it a mental care giver. That's why I finally have a peaceful end. It's only been five years, Doc. So I feel like God has seen that I've been through difficult times in cancer. I was upgraded. But today we see an extraordinary mental explosion. That's usually a mostly children, Doc.

If you want to help Rumah Taduh, how do you do it? There's a donation, there's a payment, under Riazan. So Rumah Taduh has two divisions. Today there's a division for physical illness, like Raya. That's under Rumah Taduh. And there's a payment for Peaceful End for children who have been abused. Can I give you a hand? Sure. I really want to. I really hope so. I hope all of you who are watching this podcast will give their blessings to Dr. Richard,

his family, Dr. Richard, may God bless you with a good health in the hereafter. Amen. And his crew. And the important thing is that there are many who are helped. Amen.

But that's the law. God said, if we hurt people, God will heal us. Amen. I don't think like that. The important thing is that many people are helped. I want to ask, what happened when you went home for Eid? When I went home for Eid...

You wanted to go home alone?

I didn't. Because I was in Bandung. My team was in Malang. But all my team in all cities always reported. Every single case, they report to me. That's why I don't take my phone off. And my kids can access me 24 hours.

That means if at night, Mom, someone needs to go to the emergency room, but they don't have this, I have to be able to get the money out of my phone. That's why I said 24-hour services. Money doesn't have to be complicated,

three times the access to three people. I just need to ask for Allah's assistance. This poor person has to be helped. Raya passed away, we took care of her, alhamdulillah, until the funeral, until the end, until she was safe. Alhamdulillah. But when she passed away, her father was gone. But hopefully, like what the doctor said earlier, Raya will hopefully become an icon to make people realize that

our health is not good. I really need your help. I hope that from the podcast of Dr. Richard Lee. Because I'm also sad to see the phenomenon where the condition of Raya is being covered with many issues. Even more so than selling herbs and all kinds of things.

My video was taken.

Really?

Many times on TikTok. It's so bad. I mean, can I? My essence of preaching didn't reach the audience. I'm like this because I want to preach. The economy is not doing well.

Yes.

So, I have to sell the vaccine.

I was taken a video of me. I was covered with a watermark. And behind it. Oh my God, that's so sad. Sometimes it's a bit sad for people. But the essence of Raya struggle is that we can't stop. If it's just that, then it's a pity for Raya.

But if we continue the Raya struggle, she's already a victim. For me, Raya shouldn't have died. It should. It shouldn't have died. For 2025, if we talk about 1990, it's okay. But for 2025, there should be no more pandemic, where the health system should be better. It's a pity that it's already late, the bureaucracy. I hope that many things can be fixed.

And those who see this can be a mirror and can fix themselves. Amen. I feel that in this podcast, I can express my worries, my thoughts, my concerns. So I really ask for help to all the people who watch Dr. Richard's podcast. There are still many people we have to fight. There are still many.

We have a lot of work to do. I also apologize to many parties who are in trouble because of this case. The village police, all kinds of people who are in trouble. I have no intention to go there at all. For God's sake, I don't. I didn't expect it to go viral. I really didn't expect it to go viral. My goal from the beginning of this video is to tell the whole Indonesian community

that let's work together for the good. Let's help the government to solve this problem. I don't have any intention to turn away anyone. I don't. Because I've said it. I've been to many places.

Last year, I've met the ministry. I've been to every place, I've even met the ministry. I've been to the point where the government is busy. Let's do this together. Let's do what we can do. Don't blame each other. There will be a fair trial in the future.

Don't worry. It's safe. Everything will be justified. Let's just work. Let's just work.

Thank you, T.I.