Eca Sudah Dewasa

Today we're with Echa. Thank you for coming again, Echa. You've improved a lot. We've been working together a lot, right?

Twice.

Twice. Quite often. We met at... ...Sama Suri and all that. Then we played at Founder's. Last time was at Suci Fest. Do you know what we did at Suci Fest?

Sketch, right?

That's improv.

Oh, the one before?

At Suci Fest.

The one before?

Yes, the last one.

I was really scared of that, Bang.

Why?

Because improv is a real thing.

It's a comedy improvisation, right?

It's different from last year's sketch. There's a script, right? There's a script that you can practice. And you can be like, Bro, this is what Kaisman is like. When it comes to improv, I ask what I need to learn. And when I was preparing, I was shooting a movie in Japan. I came back from Japan to Jakarta,

and I went back to Japan the next day. That's why I was so afraid at first, because I didn't dare to speak.

Who was it in the beginning? When we were playing improvisation comedy If I'm not mistaken, it was Dania, McDania

Eca, come on, speak Eca

Working, working

Working, working

It's still a bit rough, right? What we play is not too rough, right?

Rough, because I'm learning I mean, I memorize which ones But you need to be brave, bro Like when, basically I mean, I memorized all the words. But you need to be brave, you know. Like, when... You know, like, you're given a hat. And then you just keep going.

Yeah, for example, the stupidest thug in the world. And then you keep going.

I don't work on that. I got the golf ball from Radit. That's funny. I'm like, thank God I work.

That's funny. At, I'm working.

That's funny.

At least I have one.

But, if there's another one, would you like to improvise?

I would love to. I told Dhani.

Yes, McDhani.

I said, I would like to try, but not this one. The small ones. Yes, they usually start small.

There's no preparation at all, playing like that. No. They usually start with a few people. There was no preparation at all. And the games were so many. There were so many games. There was a scene from a hat, where we were just doing nothing.

I tried it once. I was shooting Sekalan 5 2.

With Bayu.

With Bayu. Before I was talking write the script, I talked with Jo. Jo, Jo, Jo, Jo.

Oh, Jus.

Jusua Suherman.

Yes, Jo, Jo, Jo, Jo.

Jo, Jo, Jo, Jo.

Yes. We were like... There were a lot of comedies.

A lot of comedies? Yes, a lot of comedies, so I think it's like learning from the paper. Oh, yeah, playing while shooting?

No, before shooting. So, like, I just... So, for example, what?

You can't?

Yes, I can.

So, why?

No, so, like, I... Wait a minute. We're a new cast. There's no one from the first movie. We're the new ones from the second movie. So, for the new people, we should be a team.

For bonding. So, the way we play is like, I buy stuff, so we have to make it make sense.

Oh, but the words are random. For example, at the DPR building. I bought some stuff at the DPR building. Why at the DPR building? We have to make sense.

Yes, yes.

Oh, that's the bonding method. Yes, so that he can learn, so that he can know how you guys sense comedy. Oh, you got tested by Joshua Suherma. What was he in there? Was he a director or a consultant?

He was a comedy consultant. But he also acted.

Oh, what about comedy consultant? I've never used a comedy consultant when I'm shooting a movie. So you're there, right? And he comes. Is this supposed fun? Yes, it's usually like that.

It's funny if it's like this. But it depends on the...

What? The wall?

The person, the cabaye, the script.

The director?

Yes, the director.

Oh, it depends on the director. The director? Oh, you're really in comedy now. I've been to two comedy events with you. Now you tell me you want to play a comedy movie. What did you learn to be funny?

Was it funny from the beginning or slowly? Did you learn it yourself or what?

Talented.

Talented but not sure.

No, if it's the beginning, no.

No, like for example, if it's the beginning, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no I'm not as pretty as in Esports. What's the standard in Esports? There's a standard.

What's the standard in Esports?

I don't know. But usually, when I'm in Esports, I'm not as pretty as in Esports. But I can be pretty when I'm in TalkPod. People like it. I can connect guest star. People liked it. I was quite connected when I was talking to them.

You didn't set up anything? You didn't use punchlines? You didn't memorize it? It was just you? It was just me and I like to find the material. When I was in Tokpot, I was like,

today, who is the guest star?

I'll try to find someone who can connect with them.

But you are more articulate today than the last time we met on this podcast. That was a year ago, right? Was it a year ago? Or two years? A year ago, you were very articulate today. This is also a change, right?

Yes.

Adulthood.

Yes, I'm an adult. Now I've learned more

Oh really? Of course

Really?

You used to be like a brat

Yes

Like a big sister Now I see you like... How is it?

No, because people tell me Can you stop talking like that? So I'm like... Sometimes I talk like... Like... I'm jumping around Oh words. So, it's like, when I talk, sometimes I jump around.

Oh, now you're more restrained.

Me? I don't know, it's also a bit... Actually, I don't know if it's progress or regression. Because if for example... Sorry, I cut it. For example, if...

In the past, people like to ask questions because they're shy. But now, they're brave. But now, because they're more aware, they're more afraid.

Oh, really?

Yes.

They're not as brave as before. That's why they don't take sketches that often. I bought the book you asked me to buy, why I don't take my sketches often. I bought the book you asked me to buy, but I haven't finished it yet.

What is it? Let me see.

This one.

Wait, wait. Stay still.

Okay.

You asked me to buy it, right? You asked me to read it, right? I wanted to bring it to Radit. I want to read it, finish it, I want to record it so we can discuss it. But I don't feel like reading it. It's not like that. I can explain.

Okay, okay. I can explain.

I bought this one. And the book is so bad. There's a word that's torn.

This is just one.

But I don't feel like reading it.

It's a bit gross, to be honest. What is it? Whose book is it?

I don't know.

It's so weird.

It's so weird. It's not a diaper. Okay, it's not. I brought this to Bandung yesterday. I read almost half of it. And I got a splinter.

Wait a minute.

Are you sure this is real?

Anggi bought it.

Where did you buy this? Where did you buy this? It looks like a print.

Where did you buy this?

How much is it?

I don't know.

Okay, don't explain it further. But you want to buy the original, right? Yes.

But you said you hope you get the original one.

Because there are a lot of Batman comics. Can the contents be different? No, no. It's just the quality. But the point is, I recommend you's just the quality. Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference. But the point is, anyway, I recommend two books, but you read them quite well. Up to here, it's quite good.

No, the problem is, this one, this one, if this one...

Yes, that's Judy Carter's, this is Greg Dean's. Judy Carter's is more like teaching, more like, well, it's just a textbook, right? Well, this one, he was joking He said, there's someone who discusses assumptions He asked, do you know what assumption is? Eh, sorry, sorry, I assume you know what is assumption

So it's funny, right?

Yeah, it's funny

Yeah, it's funny You know what is assumption. Maybe you don't understand it. But is it good to read?

I'll give you a context. When we last met, you told me you wanted to learn stand-up comedy. Yes. That's why I told you, before you learn stand-up comedy, read the book first. Then we'll talk again.

Now you're in the process of reading the book Judy Carter stopped at that bad page

But it's funny, she has a joke like that

Oh yeah, okay Judy Carter has that

But I'm more interested in reading this one

Greg Dean has?

It's funny

Yeah, it's okay So, you enjoy reading it? Oh, you can finish it, right? Yes, I can. Okay, so we can talk after that.

I was just told about the format. There are two parts, right? The joke part and... The green book teaches the second part first. So it's like making one statement, find the premise first, then from one premise and the punchline,

there must be one thing that connects. But I can't imagine how you can find it. Then he said, it's not just one thing, it has to be a view. The more interpretations, the funnier it is.

I'm so happy that you're into it. You're into it. You're in the mood where you want to know. My advice is, read it all. Don't have too many questions. We'll talk again later.

I'll do a special mentoring for you. I'll help you until you get on the first stage.

How long does it take for people to stand up?

How long does it take to show up or how long does it take to get on stage?

How long does it take for people to show up?

Okay, we have a project. Our staff taught us for 3 days. 3 days, get on went up for 5 minutes? Or 10? 5 minutes. So, for the first time, 5 minutes is enough.

Okay.

It's called tight 5. 5 minutes is okay. But for you, I think it's better to prepare 7 minutes. So that you can do the sketching and everything. 5 minutes, if you I mark my page, it's like a reverse page. You write it like this, because it can be elaborated on the stage.

I still can't imagine, I'll finish it first, then I'll ask you.

You can do it, I'm sure. So that you don't have to worry, you do what we do here. So every day, write a sentence before going to bed, the most interesting thing for you on that day. For example, you just met your ex-boyfriend at the supermarket,

just write it down. Tomorrow you have a shooting somewhere, and the catering is late, for example. You're shooting, you're di mana, terus cateringnya telat misalnya. Okay. Syuting, lagi syuting perut lapar kadagara catering telat. Ngga usah lucu.

Okay.

Kamu kumpulin aja itu satu elemen sebelum tidur, nanti bisa dibikin dari materi dari itu semua.

Nah, kayaknya.

Ya.

Kayaknya kapanan aku udah mulai mencoba melakukan itu. Ih, mantap. But it's so random. So I wrote it down. So it looks like this. I met a Pace person.

Pace?

A Chinese person. Read Pace. What's Pace? Okay, context. For example, Chinese people read Pace. We have a zodiac. But Chinese people can read it from birth to birth.

They can read the elements of life. That's so cool. And then? I said, this doesn't connect, just give me the context. I'm like a stone, but the stone is like a diamond. I'm not good at work, the good thing is that the work is show off. Okay. And I only have one element of wood in my life.

It's money. But there's a lot of water in my life. So if I'm right, I can make a lot of money.

Oh, according to the pacha? It can be read every 10 years. Oh, you met the pacha?

Zoom meeting.

So we just update it.

Yes, we can meet. But I don't want to meet him in real life. It's awkward. So we can just do a Zoom meeting. But he explained that Pace is not bigger than you. You are bigger than

your Pace. So it's not like reading a book.

Oh, is he an Indonesian? Yes, he is. Okay, is this an Indonesian? Yes, Chinese. Okay, thank you for the additional information.

Okay, so after that, I was confused. I don't have a boyfriend yet.

You don't have a boyfriend yet?

Not yet. So I asked her, how is it? I don't have a boyfriend yet. She said, I see that here, it's easy for easy to get a guy There are a lot of guys here But you're confused which one to choose

Is it true or not?

It's okay

You're talking to me

You can do it

No, no, I mean there are some guys who approach me But I'm confused, what should I choose Because I don't have a standard

Oh, but that's true

True

There are always guys, but you're confused which one is suitable.

Yes, because I tried it and it didn't suit me. Because I didn't know what I wanted. Then he said, you have to try to make a list in your notes, what you want.

About the guy?

About the guy. So if someone approaches you and it doesn't meet your standards,

don't try it. How long is this to meet Pace? For this one hour?

It can be, but if you have more detailed questions, you can ask.

Was it an hour? I forgot. It's been a long time, right?

Yes.

So, it's mostly about your partner?

You can ask me anything.

But, you said that you mostly talked about your boyfriend.

No, I talked about my overall work. There are a lot of details, but I forgot them. Because I just want to know. For example, there's a peach blossom year.

So, I'm in my 26th year of my career. Oh, really? So, next year? You're in a semi next year. Eh, that's perfect. You're shooting in Japan.

Eh? Yeah.

That's Blossom, Sakura Blossom.

Yeah, yeah.

Don't tell me that movie will bring something for you.

Maybe. God willing. And then, I wrote it, but I was lazy. I just wrote like, a list of guys that I want. I said, a man who is stable, who is caring. That's it. Just two.

It's okay.

It's been a long time, so I forgot. Then in the notes below, I wrote, Mothers are being left behind, I'm a slacker. So, it's like an interesting event for me.

You're being left behind, the slacker is being left behind? It was an interesting experience for me. Did you get a lift for the vomit? No, it was for another event.

Yes, another event.

Did you really vomit?

Yes, I vomited.

Oh, yes.

I told the hospital that I had never been to the hospital. I was in a bad fever. I vomited. I thought I was going to die. But I was brought to the hospital and I vom me to the hospital. I threw up.

People used to think that throwing up is throwing up.

So you threw up and came out.

Who was it? Pandu?

Or was it me?

Was it me?

How did I do that?

But you threw up and then you threw up. I threw up. No, I don't believe that. I don't believe that.

You threw up and went to the hospital? I vomited so badly, Bang.

I ate a biscuit and drank tea, and I vomited. Okay. There are a lot of stories. The stories you collected. Actually, the next step is to make an argument from that story. That's called a premise.

How about a list of events? It has to be made in 7 minutes, right?

It can't be like one by one. No, it shouldn't. You can meet Pace and it becomes one beat. One beat means that the whole 7 minutes joke can be done. In the 7 minutes show, there are two beats. Yes, meet Pace, then Muntaber, it can be done.

But our way here is... My way is to write a lot of notes first. So don't just sit and look for the idea. Don't do what's funny. But write a lot of notes first. Then look for arguments from that note.

For example, for example, about men. It turns out that the more conditions we ask to be a man... ...the longer the man gets. That's the argument. So, on stage, it starts with that premise. I'm upset. Why?

The more I want to get a man, have a list... ...the longer I date him. Can't I have a list? My boyfriend once said that I'm like this, like this, like this. Oh, cool!

Can you imagine?

Yes, no.

Oh, yes.

But yes, yes.

Easy, right?

Yes, yes, maybe.

Yes, the argument about vomiting, what is the argument? That no one would have thought that I could get vomit. Why did people never think that if I could get a ...people think I'm clean but there are things about cleanliness that I forgot. I have to remember again what I did until I got a ...that's the argument.

So, there's an argument that there should be a punchline. The punchline is made first. So, one topic is developed first. Yes, that's actually it. So, you just launched it, you use all those books, use assumptions, use this, use...

I don't know if it's been discussed here yet, about the hyperbola, about the rule of three, it hasn't arrived yet.

It's just like discussing a lot, there's like the hyperbola, sarcasm, etc. But not that one.

You were looking at our assumptions, right? You said, yes, I also threw up, I threw up yesterday. You looked at it, it's impossible for it to happen to you. You already have it, right? And I think it's easier for you, you usually talk, right? In TalkPod, in podcast, where you already have a story.

Just look for the punchlines. And that's super easy for you, I think.

I hope so. Because yesterday, what made me want to talk to you... ...suddenly because I was curious. Like, I want to try stand-up comedy. Then if I ask you, Bang Jagel, you can teach me how to be funny. No, you don't have to. You're just like that.

That's what Jagel said. That's what Bang Jagel said. So, if I'm in Tokpot, I don't have to do anything. Because they're the ones who back me up. Right. And now, when I was improvising, I met Indro. And Indro said, try it, Cak.

Stand up?

Yes, try stand up. There aren't many girls. I met Radit and asked him for help.

Okay. So, this is serious?

Yes.

Really?

Can I?

Yes, you can.

But it's so hard.

Our own child can do it.

Is he funny? Yes, he can. It's so hard. Even our grandchild can do that. Is it funny?

Yes, it's funny. For the first appearance. For the first appearance, it's funny.

It's so scary. Talking on the stage alone, people might not respond.

I think there's no job that's more scary than stand-up comedy. In entertainment, especially for me. Because if we're sketching, we have friends who can back us up. If we're acting, we can edit it anytime. We can edit YouTube anytime, but stand-up, damn. Everyone sits together and is promised to be funny. It's called stand-up comedy.

We come, bring the microphone, everyone judges. Is this person funny? I will only give the first 5 seconds to prove that he's not worthy... ...to listen to it until the end. It was so scary.

It was so scary.

And when we said it once and it wasn't funny anymore... ...we lost the trust from all the audience. It was hard to go back. It was scary.

It was scary. I can imagine it.

It was scary. It must be scary. But I'm excited. So you want to learn stand-up comedy because you want to develop your skills in the entertainment world. That's great. Not many people can think like that. Because I'm already into comedy, but I'm confused. Because people have a big expectation for me. Like, Echa is funny. No, I don't have the skill. So, with people's expectations like that,

it's better if I'm accompanied by... That's the comedy industry. Okay, okay. When is the project? When do you want to have your first open mic?

I don't know. How long will the preparation be tomorrow?

If you start writing, you can do it in two weeks.

Two weeks?

Yes.

Next year?

In the middle of January.

Do you want to?

Huh?

In the middle of January, yes.

Can I?

That means you come to me around the second week of January.

Okay.

We sit together, I help you.

InsyaAllah.

So the book is...

Just look at it.

Is that what he said? He said he's a snake hunter.

Oh, you're a snake hunter?

I'm a snake show.

What's wrong with you and Tamu?

Yeah, what's wrong?

Why are you so shyu like that? Yeah, why? Why are you like this? Okay, so if you're looking for inspiration, how do you usually do it? You said you want to develop your skills in entertainment. Where do you usually look for inspiration?

Oh, me?

I usually watch comedy shows.

Oh, really? Oh, yeah.

There are a lot of funny Indian comedy shows, right?

Yeah, there are a lot. But in India, there are a lot of good stand-up comedians in English.

I've watched a Japanese stand-up comedian but I didn't read the subtitle.

What was it?

I don't know. It was funny. It was like a normal person.

It was just the body movement. I don't want to see it.

But I like to watch... I've always liked to watch funny movies. Like Modern Family, New Girl.

That's when you're looking for inspiration. I also want to tell you a little bit about inspiration. Last week I happened to tell you that I was watching The Bear. So it turned out I learned again about character creation. How they make characters with simple conflicts, but with the right tension.

From there, I thought, I need other references, with different cultures, rhythms, and stories. I opened Disney+, and searched on Tabhulu, and I found a Korean series, Light Shop.

Many people said this series is very interesting, so I'm curious. The way they arrange the mystery is smooth, but every scene has a soft emotional punch, but it's catchy. I learned a lot about how they build the ambience, how they create characters so that they look smooth but also strong, to a slow pacing, but it actually makes the emotions go up and down.

I enjoyed watching Light Shop as a unique learning experience. If you need to watch something meaningful... ...but still curious about the episodes... ...you must try this. If you want to watch it, just open the first tab in Disney Plus... ...choose Light Shop, and actually there are many interesting shows...

...in the first tab of Disney Plus. Check it out and enjoy. Let's go back to talk with Echa. If you want to watch Disney Plus, you can check it out. And please, stay tuned. We'll be back to talk with Echa.

I think the one who made Disney is a foreigner who was in India.

Oh yeah?

If you ask, where do you want to watch?

Disney, Disney.

Okay.

Continue, continue.

Okay, okay.

She wants to finish it quickly. You can continue. But you know, in other countries, if the executive of TV or film producer is looking for a new talent, either he wants to look for a script writer or a film actor,

they go to comedy club. Because they believe that stand-up comedy is easier to form... ...to become a lot of things in entertainment. That's why there are a lot of stand-up comedians who become movie actors... ...stand-up comedians become voice actors, a lot of stand-up comedians go to TV and so on. Well, I feel that in Indonesia too now.

It's a bit different. It's really crazy. I also watched it yesterday, It's a bit different. It's crazy, right? I also watched it yesterday, the second one. It's all stand-up comedy. The producer is a stand-up comedian, the writer, the director, the actor, all stand-up comedians. And the one who's being talked to is also a stand-up comedian. So it means that if you learn stand-up comedy,

in my opinion, maybe I'm biased because I'm a stand-up comedian. It will be easier for you to use in various entertainment fields. Yes, I think stand-up comedy is very smart. Smart, different forms. Like a skater, he's smart, but he's different. But stand-up comedy is more about being able to go anywhere. Yes, and it's already seen outside that it's different. But in stand-up comedy, it's true that you can go anywhere.

Yes, and it's already seen outside, it's really useful for the industry. Indonesia is about to start. Jumbo Ajar, Rian Adrian, stand-up comedian. Director of animation film. The most popular film in Indonesia right now is stand-up comedy too. I believe if you learn...

I can make Jumbo.

Yes. I believe if you learn... I can make Jumbo.

You can direct Jumbo 2. Not Rian who directs, but you who direct Jumbo 2.

But I feel proud. Karian showed the trailer when we were reading, reading the sketch from last year. I made this movie. And it turned out that the movie was really good.

Did you feel like you were going to be in a crowd?

No, not like that. I mean, I was proud. I've been watching it since before it came out.

But that was a long project, right? Five years. Can you imagine? She came and see the trailer for 5 years. And he was like, look, look, we're all here. And Rekwan was like, yeah, that's good.

But I said, this is his mom, his dad's mom passed away. Then Rian said, oh, you caught that? Yes, he passed away.

Oh, you remember? It's spoiler? It's already aired. Okay, here's a question from my YouTube member for you. So before you came, I said, you want to come here, and if anyone wants to ask, ask. We'll choose. The first one is from Astafirullah Yudan. Why?

What's the name? Why did he ask? He asked, Yuda asked, why Chef Juna's lips are small when he speaks? Mr. Radit doesn't open his mouth wide. Who knows, Eca knows. No, no need. He doesn't have any business with Chef Juna. But yes, Chef Juna came here twice to speak.

Like this?

What? It's not full. Because he's cool.. Because he's cool. That's right. Okay, from Randi. How long did it take you to talk to Mr. Surya?

What do you mean?

Your vlog.

Oh, that. How long did it take?

The episode outside Tokpot.

What's that? I once vlogged at Tok 2. What was it? Oh, no. I did a vlog when I was in Tokpot.

I was late. Oh, you were late.

Yeah, and Om Kaga was there. It wasn't long. How long was it? Half an hour?

Okay.

Oh, but he's your loyal viewer.

Yeah.

He's your loyal viewer. From Xiaohi, how do you deal with haters' comments? How to sort hate comments and real feedback? Or Eca has super power like Radit to ignore. Arnas said, I have super power to ignore. Okay, what do you think? Have you ever got hate comments?

Yes, but I read all of them.

Oh really?

Yes.

Did you read them when you were BA in Esports? Did you read the comments in the beginning. Oh really? Yes. Did you read the comments when you became a BA in eSports?

Or when you were in TalkPod? When I was a BA, the exposure wasn't as big as when I was in TalkPod. Because I progressed really fast. I was only two years old, and I was already famous in the entertainment industry. I was known by seniors. I was really fast.

When I joined TalkPod, I was instantly in TalkPod. Then I went straight to the TV program, I played Hakeem, and I got a TV program. I played with all the seniors. So, the exposure was really big. That's also what I got, besides getting a lot of support, but also a lot of hate.

Okay, how old were you?

I was 22 or 23 years old.

You were 22 years old when you first started. So, because you were still young, you probably still felt it.

I was still young.

Oh, yes, that's right. But that means you were younger.

I was younger, yes.

Were you surprised when you first found out that there was someone you didn't like?

I wasn't surprised, but I was surprised because I hated over small things that are not important. When I was playing judge,

no, when I was in Tokpot, in Hujat,

I was like, the voice is so loud, it's made up.

Really? You thought the voice was loud?

Yes.

You thought it was a lie? I thought it was a lie. I thought it was a fake. And when I was playing Hakim, I was so stressed.

Because I had acne.

Okay.

I had acne because I had to shoot everyday and my makeup was thick. Okay. So I had acne. I wasn't confident, so I used pimple patch on my face.

This one.

This one. But this one makes more sense. There are only two. If it's just a face, it's like a picture book. I didn't know why I was so confident on TV with so many pimple patches. But I think it boosted my confidence. It's okay.

It's really proven. There's no artist who put pimple patches on TV.

Oh yeah?

I was so stressed that I made a clarification on Instagram.

I'm sorry, guys.

You made a clarification on your pimple patch?

Yeah. I was like, I'm sorry, guys. I'm having a bad period. And then, I was like, you're not on treatment. I was like, I'm done, guys. I'm on treatment.

You're so tired.

I explained everything. But now, I can tell which one needs to be responded and which one doesn't. What's the limit now? So, if people talk about people patch, you won't respond, right?

I won't respond. Mostly, I don't respond. I still read the comments, but I used to look for one by one. I saw...

You saw the profile that DM?

Yes.

So what? So people can imagine?

So people can imagine who's talking. Back then, it was really sad. If you saw it, you were like, oh my god, how can it be?

I was off social media because I was really criticized. Oh yeah? I didn't know you had a moment where you were criticized.

I was really off social media. But now I can see it more like, it's okay, I don't care anymore. If I don't bring it to... Well, if you don't praise me, I still have to work, I still have to get paid.

Well, it's better than nothing. If they tell me the good news, I'll listen. But if it doesn't make any sense, I usually don't joke.

For example?

What's the name of the person on TikTok? Nana.

The name of the person?

The name of the person is Nana. I commented on TikTok, Pikmi girl, what is it? It's bad, it's bad. It's really bad, they said. Really bad.

Then I just replied, Nana Dalem.

That's it? That's it?

Because I think it doesn't make sense. I forgot what he said.

You don't even want to counter his argument, right? Instead of you catching his argument, you just make fun of him.

I just make fun of him now.

And what about him? The one below must be following, right? The one below? Yes, so people are saying bad things about him? The one who's in the group must be following you. Yeah, so people are saying bad things about him. Okay, okay. Did you ever cry?

I used to cry a lot. Wow, that's true. Yeah, I was really bad.

Did you cry?

I cried.

Wow.

I cried.

I didn't expect it to be that bad.

I was really bad. I used to feel that the process of maturing is quite a lot. That's why now I can talk to people more. But I feel more anxious now. I didn't think about my job before. I took any job. I didn't have time to think about it before.

So, after I finished TV, I took over my manager's job. Now I can tell if I don't want to do a sketch, I don't want to do it, it's uncomfortable. Now I can do it. Because I used to panic attack when I was working. I often suffocated.

Oh yeah?

Now it's worse.

Huh?

What's the reason for the panic attack? Was it because the set is not suitable or...

Not comfortable.

What? For example, uncomfortable, how is it? The joke is too rough. Not really, because I'm afraid maybe.

Now I'm afraid of a lot of things.

Afraid of the bad results, afraid of not connecting with the opponent, afraid of what?

I don't know, I just feel uncomfortable. I just do live streaming, but I feel uncomfortable.

What do you mean?

I do live streaming. I haven't done podcast for a long time. I tried to do podcast for the first time, I was so panicked.

Where?

At...

At the press.

At the bank.

Oh, at the press.

Yes, at the press. I was pressed by the bank. I was like... I was like that. I panicked after that. But when I watched it, I was like,

it's okay. You were afraid of being clipped?

Because I was afraid of podcast. I wasn't...

I used to be everywhere. But was there a moment when you were clipped and it was bad? I think there done a lot.

No, I don't know. It's all in my head, maybe.

Yeah, I mean, maybe you just have a thought.

I think it's just a thought. So now I'm more careful. If I choose a job, I'll just do it comfortably. Like now, I'm in a podcast with Bang Raditya, we've known each other for a long time. I know what he's talking about. So, we just connected.

Okay. Is it too much? Like, about your work, your friends, or your close friends. Is it too much? Who do you want to bring close to you?

I think I'm more careful with distance

I used to be more careless You mean you were accompanied by everyone?

I used to be more careless I didn't read other people's intentions

Oh, I see

That's why I used to be more happy-go-lucky

And that's not good?

No, I think it's not good for me It's not draining for me I used to feel like I have to make everyone happy. Because I'm a good girl, right?

I'm a good girl.

Am I funny? Do I have to make people happy? So, even if I'm working, even if I'm not on camp, I can't tell the difference between working and not working.

For the guest. For me. Your attitude towards people.

Yes. If I'm not, I can be more like, I'm not that extroverted, I'm just tired. So, if I'm working, on camp, I can be more excited. But if I'm not working, I can be more like, if I don't have 200 energy, I can be more quiet. I can't do that before, but now I can.

Because you're afraid if you don't have high energy, people will think you're arrogant.

People will think that I'm not funny, not fun, and I'm not a good kid.

What is the most memorable interaction with fans? Is there anything weird, funny, or memorable?

I'm good with fans, but... I've never refused to take a picture with them. Kang Gi always makes me nervous. I remember when the movie premiered, I was the first one to be shouted at.

Shouted at?

I was shouted at by fans. It was a crowded place. And then, what did they wanted to take a picture. I forgot. And then he asked for a picture. And I was like, yes, sure.

But there were a lot of people, it was chaotic. It was impossible, because we were being pulled. So, I said, let's run. I said, I'm sorry.

You're arrogant. You're arrogant.

I said, I'm sorry, while I was walking, I was like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I was like, I'm sorry, while I was walking, I was like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I was like, I'm sorry, while I was walking, I was like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I was like, I'm sorry, while I was walking, I was like, I'm sorry I was quite surprised. I think it's the moms.

Did you get pinched?

Pinched? No, I don't think so. I mean, usually when it's a very crowded place, it's funny to get pinched. But no, I think it's fine so far.

So you're comfortable with what you have now, the What you're doing now, you're happy with it?

I'm more comfortable now because I know where my comfort zone is.

So, from your job, you're shooting in Japan, you want to stand up, you're participating in comedy events off-air, from all of that, you're on TV and all that, which one is the most comfortable?

I'm confused. People have been asking me this since a long time ago. Because I haven't had one that I'm really into. Even hosting, I don't have any experience. I just try, try, try. That's why I want to try it. Which one I like and can do.

Go with the flow. What about business? Not like other artists?

No.

Oh, no?

No. I'm investing.

Oh, really? Wow, that's cool.

Because, when I first started working, I had a lot of money. I mean, for me...

You were surprised.

I was surprised. At first, I didn't understand. So, all the money was deposited in one of my personal accounts. And I was surprised, it turned out to be a lot. A lot, and I was confused. Now, some of it is invested, some of it is saved.

But I don't know how it's good.

Cool, but you're great.

I just take the risk.

It's okay. Do what you like. Just take the low risk. You can check the money, deposit, gold. Just do that.

Yes. But they said they want to do it next year.

Where did you gossip from?

They said it's not a business, because next year is a crisis. So we have to invest in gold.

Oh, now it's hard for people to sell. The economy is also declining.

But if there's a crisis, there's gold. The gold can't be sold. What should we do?

There must be someone who still buys it. It's hard to buy gold now, right? Hard. You still get it? I bought the gold, but the courier kept on coming. That's not a problem. It's hard to buy gold. That's the problem with your courier.

But it's been 2 weeks and it's still coming. So I bought the gold, digital gold first. I bought digital gold, but I also bought the physical one. The physical one, I can send it to the seller.

I bought it once. And then, I want to buy it again. And then he said, sorry, the chicken is sick. It's been a week. Have you got it? No, it's still sick.

I think it's still vomiting.

So you didn't buy it because it's sick?

I didn't buy it. So I was like, hmm, it's hard.

It's hard to buy, it's hard to distribute.

So it's hard to find the goods.

The goods are hard to find?

Yes, the stock was always running out. And it's like a hype beast. It's sold at a higher price than usual. But it's good that you're a good girl. No one taught you?

First, it's because of Anggi.

Especially when I watch Bang Radit

Oh yeah?

He always asks me to go to the mall

No, not really What is it? Just the instruments

There are a lot of instruments I watch him, but I'm confused Where do I start? Because no one teaches me My dad, maybe because he's an old man So the way he, it's different. It's not like... Not like a high-risk, like a shareholder or anything.

Or like, just give it to your dad. That's the stupid investment. No, I'm just kidding. Then I asked Anggi, she taught me. You just come here, Cha. You choose this one.

Choose the Sharia, because there is Islam.

Oh my God.

There's a button for you to choose Sharia. I put two of them, that one and Sharia. There's a lot, so I put them in so it won't run out. Because I couldn't save money before.

That's great.

Because most people like you who enter the entertainment industry, get a lot of money, you don't feel like you don't have any money left. For this, for that, for this, for that. So you're holding on now, right? Because you already know how to invest, instead of me just throwing it away, it's better to put it there.

So if I invest, I don't have any money, right?

Yes, because you're short of money. Okay, but do you have a budget?

Yes.

How much do you spend every month?

No.

There's a max.

Oh, how much you spend. If it's above that, it's too much.

Yeah, it's too much. I'm buying a house.

You're buying a house?

I'm buying a house. Wow. buying a house? I've bought a house.

Wow.

Is it KPRK or cash or?

I don't know. You help me, but I pay.

But you don't know if it's KPRK or not? I mean, the deposit?

It should be KPRK.

Oh, you don't know how many years it's been?

I don't know.

Oh, you don't know either, right? I don't know. Oh, you don't know. The point is you already bought a house. Yes. Okay, so there's a special budget for that.

Yes.

Wow. What is your favorite purchase? What is the one thing you want to buy? A special car? Forest.

Huh?

You want to buy a forest?

Yes.

For what?

Because I see that our forest is starting to decline, Radit.

Yes, that's right.

Elephants, what kind of elephants are good?

Huh?

What kind of elephants are good? Elephants... Elephants family?

No, just elephants. Because elephants are not bad. The bad ones are humans who make the forest decline.

Wow, yes, that's true. So you want to contribute to the conservation of the forest. Yes, because I saw on social media that there are women who bought 30,000 hectares of land and turned it into a forest. Even though the land has been plowed, it can be a forest. Oh, you want to have that much money to be able to do that.

That's really expensive, you want to have that much money to be able to do that. That's really expensive, you know.

Of course. How many hectares? 10,000 hectares.

Investment.

What if it becomes a land sale?

Suddenly become a land broker.

But it can be a profit.

Yes, yes.

Hopefully one day, you can have that much money to help people.

Amen.

Okay, okay.

Next, another question. How do you maintain your mental health and stay strong in the middle of your famous status? And maybe a lot of haters. You don't have to think about it.

Don't have to think about it. It's the same for people. It's like you know yourself better. I used to go to the psychologist. You went to the psychologist? Yes, I stopped. When I found out, I needed help.

So I went to the psychologist again. I was asked to do some journaling. I was like, I think I should know what you need. Because after I went to the psychologist, I never had time for myself. And it's true?

It's true. it's true?

True. So, professional help is okay? Because sometimes people think, I'm not going to a psychologist, because I'm shy, because I'm afraid. But it turns out that it helps.

It really helps. Because I'm aware of my feelings. I know, for example, talking to people, I can solve the problem. I know what I'm feeling. I'm sad because of this and that. But after I went to the psychologist,

I was only stopped at the acknowledgement. But the feeling was not solved.

That's what makes the reaction bigger. Wow. So, the way is by understanding through journaling? Or by actively trying to resolve it with other people?

Through journaling, yes. Talking with the psychologist, yes.

So the feeling can be resolved. But you've never had a conflict at work, right? No. No one is uncomfortable, so you feel pressured, so you don't know, right?

No, I was like yesterday, really tired because it turns out that I actively always take the role to solve problems that are not my problem.

Oh yeah?

Yes, in my team, in my family, it turns out that I'm annoying the someone who didn't belong to me. So I was like, uh...

How come? Just because you wanted to? No, it turned out that all our problems came back from my family. Oh, you had your past in your family that made you want to solve people's problems? Not really. Yesterday, I was talking about it, it turned out to be like... ...that makes me feel lonely and like... ...why do I always do everything for people, but people don't do it for me? Because I'm the one who took that role without realizing it.

Like in my family, I feel like I'm the glue of the family. My family is just fine, bro. Yes, I understand. Just fine. The glory of the family. True, even though you just listen to it, it's enough. But you want to finish it. Because I already took that role, and they see that I can do it. So without realizing it, they rely on me and I have to be strong.

I have to be like, I can do it.

Wow, this is some complex stuff going on.

And then I took that role to the world of work.

That's why I'm strong, I can do it myself. But it's good that you're trying to solve your problems. It will make you healthier mentally. Imagine if you can't solve it. You know, you're stressed, depressed.

I don't know why. That's why you need to seek professional if you feel like you need it.

So what do you do on your ideal day off? You don't have anything else, no shooting, nothing. What's the best way to make everything calm and comfortable?

I don't know, I don't know yet.

Do you rarely have a day off?

Rarely. Because I don't like being alone.

I see.

I don't like being alone, but I don't have to do anything. As long as there's someone. Because I don't like being alone. I see. I don't like being alone, but I don't have to do anything.

As long as there's someone around.

Oh, so now that role is with your manager? He's the one who's always around.

My manager, my assistant, and my team. And now there's a group of friends who know about me. Because I don't hang out with my friends. Same. But now I know that if I want to play, I have friends. I also don't tell my friends. I don't tell my problems to people.

When I'm having a problem, I don't tell people. If it's already a summary. Yesterday I was like this, but it's okay now

Oh, and you're not crying anymore? No, I'm not I see, that's interesting But I like it, you look more cheerful Really? More articulate, yes

Like you're more mature And now you're back to normal What's next for you? What can you share with us?

What's next?

The movie you mentioned?

The movie I'm going to release is Sekai Animo Dulu. The Japanese version is still in the shooting process. I'm going to release a song.

Oh, you sing too? I saw you and Jussi Lussi on YouTube.

But that's not my song. I already have 2 songs.

Okay.

This is the third song.

What's the title?

The title is Buku Karangan.

You write it or sing it?

I sing it.

You sing it. When can we listen to it?

This month. What month is this?

This month. So you can listen to it in December And in January, Echa will open mic

Oh no

I'll read, I'll finish reading first I'll wait for the WA later Yes yes Just let me know Okay, thank you Echa

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