GOVERNADOR DO RJ CLAUDIO CASTRO - Inteligencia Ltda. Podcast #1693

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Let's go. And let's get to the point. I'm here with a governor of Rio de Janeiro. Welcome, thank you for your time. Everyone wants to talk to you and it's nice that you're giving us this space. Welcome, but this is the good part.

We're going to talk about the bad part, which is that I'm an interested. I ask for gifts to put in my scenario. So, say hello to the people here in this camera. Introduce yourself to the people who don't know you. And I want my gift.

Hello, guys. Thank you for the opportunity. People from the podcast, people who watch us all over Brazil. It's an unrivalled opportunity to be able to speak clearly about the things what's been happening. I have a total notion that, in the last two weeks, this agenda of public safety has entered Brazil. It's very nice to be able to talk about it directly.

I'd like to thank you, Vila, and all your production, Paquito, and the whole crew. I brought a gift for you.

It's something you're going to leave with me.

Yeah, just for you. It's useless, I think it's useless for you, but for me it would be very useful. If it's very useful for you, since I like to play the guitar, I brought a pick for you.

For me it's totally useless.

So, but... Paquito doesn't steal, because he's a musician here. I'm going to steal. Look at that.

A palette for you.

Go to the stage. Thank you so much.

The stage would be useful for me, but I thought it wouldn't be so much for you.

I only know how to ring the bell and look there.

And look there.

I'm bad. But, Claudio, we have a lot to talk about. It's been a subject of last week, this week, and this discussion about public safety must extend for a while. And, for sure, it will be the subject that will dominate the campaigns of next year, of the elections here in Brazil. Because it was a subject that, already in São Paulo, I don't know if you followed, the São Paulo São Paulo, that was the decisive one, that discussion about public safety. And we are already seeing this movement, research,

the public's response was very good, especially from the residents of the communities, regarding this police operation. First, what is the size of the hole that we are in regarding organized crime, the factions, your experience here in Rio.

How did you get here? What did you find here?

I remember that there was a maxim, that the urban order elected the mayor, public security elected the governor and the economy elected the president.

Makes sense.

It was a maxim that every political marketer would start the first day saying, it was a maxim that no one ever questioned. Urban planning is still important, and economy, of course, has always been important. But there is a change of perception. And the change of perception occurs through a little word that is fundamental, which is called freedom.

The freedom that was talked about in the past, in religious freedom, in the freedom of deriving, in the freedom of voting. Everything you add, you are gaining a freedom. And today, you have this feeling of fear. Of limitation of these freedoms. And today you have this feeling of fear. Of limitation of these freedoms. Fear is something that paralyzes everything.

Not guilt. Guilt drives you. Fear paralyzes you. And the logic of fear today translates above all in the issue of public safety. Because public safety started to give you the fear of sending your son to school, of letting him play outside the house. Then you started to have the fear of yourself, leaving, what you do on the weekend, where I go.

Be it in your car, in public transportation.

Wherever it is, where I go, you think, where I go, I can walk with my watch, I can talk on my phone, the fear logic has permeated people's lives in an unchanging way.

And we ended up getting anesthetized and getting used to a situation that is not to be used to.

Because the human being is adaptable. He is molding himself, adapting himself. But there is also another word It adapts and molds itself. But there's another fundamental word, the word limit. The word limit is not yours. Everyone has a limit.

The limit of anger, the limit of what is acceptable, the limit of what you want. And it's going beyond the limits. The truth is that the issue of public security or insecurity is crossing the line. People have entered, at the same time, in a discredit, in a discouragement, but also in a process of anger. And this has been demonstrated a lot in the research.

And when you look at the whole issue, and's curious because the data has stopped following reality. Today there is a data called security sensation. The security sensation is no longer based on data. It is the perception of what you see, especially in the biggest channel of everything, which is the internet. The internet has generated this perception of security or insecurity. Because everyone has a cell phone in their hand and many things are being shown now. Exactly. Today, for a large part of the press,

there's what's called factual journalism. You don't have any more money to produce news. Investig factual journalism. You don't have the money to produce news anymore. Investigative journalism. You have the journalist getting poorer every day. You have big newspapers working with 5 interns for 1 journalist. You have big heads going to the internet,

going to their podcasts, going to their own channels, and it generated a great factual journalism. And this factual journalism impregnated people. What used to be a common thing, today has become something to be published. And this, the combination of all this, I've've used this term a few times, generated a perfect storm.

You're more afraid, you know more, you have more information, you have more fake news too. The other day, in a group, a big authority put a drag pixel that had happened three years before. As if it were current. As if it were from that. Look at what just happened.

And I told this author, you're misinformed, it's from three years ago.

And it ends up being irresponsible, right?

It's a lot. But the internet has this natural irresponsibility. We see today, some, especially these information sites, the guy has an obligation to post 10, 15 things a day. If he misses 3, 4, 5... He's screwed.

He doesn't want to know anymore because he's currently hiring or to create content, to create a timeline. He has to do that, it's his obligation. So, if he's forced to post 10, 7, 8 and he misses 10, 7, 8, be patient. No one will remember. No one will remember.

These are situations that are making this issue of public safety more and more preeminent in people's lives, more and more important in people's lives. And since everything that is important to the mind, you will start to have an opinion. You will generate an opinion. It was a subject that before was part of your life there laterally.

And today it is in the middle of your life because you are thinking how you will get to your work, you are thinking how your you're going to get to work, how your son is going to get to school, who's going to take your son to school. We were discussing this the other day, at home, that me and my brothers, since...

fourth or fifth grade, we'd already walk or take the bus.

Me too.

Today, a 15-year-old boy... Today, a 14-year-old boy... His parents are desperate. How are they going to take him to school? This has become part of people's lives. So, this logic that public safety was only a state problem, it no longer exists today.

So this will be more and more important every day, because you're talking about war again, and everything ends up being a macro public safety. And I have no doubt that this will make this subject a current topic, next month, carnival... You see, this was the second following New Year's Eve, the second following carnival...

I'll pass the New Year's Eve here, I'll tell you now.

I'll give you the good news.

I want to be calm.

I'll give you the good news. This was the second following New Year's Eve that was considered the safest in history. And it was the second following Carnival that was considered the safest in history. We had 100% hotel occupancy in Rio de Janeiro. And yet, Rio de Janeiro is seen as the epicenter of insecurity. Last year, we broke all the international tourist records in Rio, and this year we'll break them again.

We'll surpass 2 million international tourists, which is bigger than the World Cup and the Olympics.

From here?

Yeah! Last year we broke 1.6 million, and this year we'll break 2 million. With all the problems? With all the problems. Imagine when this was solved. That's it. So, yes, there are situations...

You'll have to build many more hotels here. You have to remember that Rio is a post-Olympic city, which had an increase of 30% or 40% in the number of hotels outside the current era of Airbnb. So, there's this... Public safety is no longer a side issue. And those who are not feeling it yet, it's for a single reason. Demographic density.

How so? The denser it is, the more people there are, the more you feel.

The further away you away from the problem.

You don't have... It's like in business. You will put your store in a place where there are a lot of people or a place where there are few people?

More people.

So the more people there are, the more density, you will have more public safety as a problem that is there. Even because it will generate more trade. It ends up being, very badly compared, an activity. And this activity needs people here. And I have no doubt that this is the agenda that will still be a priority for Brazil for some time.

Let's talk about this operation. Pimentel told me yesterday that it is the biggest and most lethal in history, not only in Brazil, but in the world. There are a lot of police officers and people involved. I'd like to know how this was planned and why this decision was made. Was it because of the search warrants?

Tell us the story in a timeline that we can understand. How was this operation born and what will it be from now on?

Since I joined, I've been asked a lot about the Rio de Janeiro security plan. These security plans, with all due respect...

Are they inherited? Do you have to follow something?

No, you have to make your own security plan. Could it be something you've implanted? Actually, it's not that it could be. You're charged with it. But today, it's working almost like a literature.

Especially a part of the press wants a plan so they can look at it every day, open their little plan and see if you're following it. And when we got in, Rio already had a nice police station, the PP, a lot of things. And it became clear that it was a seasonal plan, that it had a curve, it started well, it had a peak, and then it started to get worse, and it fell.

For the simple reason that they were not structural. You didn't have a structuring of a real security plan. When the plan was from the military police, they hired a bunch of people for the military police and they fired the civilians.

When it was from the civilians, they hired a bunch of people, and would arrest the civilians. When it was the civilians' turn, they would hire a lot of people and arrest the others. There was this idea of public security secretariat, where almost everyone became a congressman. So it was a big entity, between the two, and the reports we always had were that he was much more of a magistrate so he provoked a conflict between the forces to be the great magistrate

than someone who truly did this interlocution. A governor came, my predecessor, and in fact his opinion was not not having a security secretary, it was about him being the security secretary. So he elevated the police to the status of a secretary.

And when I joined, it was a model that, at first, the numbers were great, but that would probably also have a seasonality of getting worse. When it got worse, 10 out of 10... How do you say it? I heard it that day. Pantufa analysts. I loved it. Pantufa specialists. I loved that nickname.

I made it in my head.

10 out of 10 Pantufa specialists said that the fault was with the model. So I created a model of a highly qualified public security secretary, but with a cramped structure. I kept the police's autonomies as a secretary, and now I put a strategist, a strategic coordinator in them. He doesn't command their operations, but he serves as someone who does the strategy, reads the problem we're having, and generates the strategy, and makes both work together. Because he stopped having operational capacity.

So he needs the others to work for his success. And from there, we started to see that the great policy of public security was the structuring of the forces. I got the police, I got the second worst salary in Brazil, I got back to the third best salary in Brazil, I bought cars for all of them, there are practically 500 cars per year.

This year I'm going to deliver almost a thousand, because last year I had a problem with the bidding. We started buying semi-armored cars so that it would generate protection in the life of the police officer. When I joined, Vilela, I didn't even have a gun and a personal vest for a cop.

The cop would finish his shift in this mild climate of Rio de Janeiro, very different from the air conditioning we have here. The guy would take it off and give it to the next cop to use. And that's how humanity moved forward. Today we have each cop, And that's how humanity moved forward. Today, every policeman has his vest, his weapon, he started buying bulletproof helmets,

I reformed all the battalions, and now we're in the process of reforming the police stations. Once I got to the 7th Battalion in São Gonçalo, I couldn't get into the accommodation.

Why?

Because it was so smelly. It was really smelly. I didn't know how the guy could sleep there. I called the commander and said, Sorry, but you're making a big deal out of this. This is in Sao Lubre, man. So we started, I think it was more than 300 million reais invested only in the reform and re-qualification of the battalions.

We started buying a lot of technology. I bought 16,000 cameras. You see how important it is. You see how the police saved the cameras now. That's true. Body cameras, drones... Now I bought the cameras on board. 2,800 police cars will have the cameras on the cars. I changed all the technology of the integrated control center, which was from the World Cup, yet.

Imagine, 7-year technology.

Forget it.

You're going to ask who's watching you, who has a cell phone from 7 years ago.

No, no. It changes very quickly. No one will has a cell phone from 7 years ago. No, no. It changes very quickly.

No one will have a cell phone from 7 years ago. The police used technology from 7 years ago. We had almost all the legal medical institutions closed. 15 years without a candidate. 15 years, imagine 15 years without a candidate. I had to do the contest, I called all the approved ones. Whoever passed, I called everyone. I'm having to do another one. The military police contest we had was from 2014. I finished that contest, which was a contest that never ended.

I finished that contest, I already did a contest, I'm calling four more thousand military police officers.

All the intelligence equipment, I'm calling for another 4,000 military police officers.

All the intelligence equipment, I bought all new ones. Our Celebrate, ours broke one at a time, the public health department, which was the one who had everything, broke four at a time, ours today breaks 16 at a time. I built a building dedicated intelligence and investigation only. The police have more than 100 drones today of all kinds.

We installed cameras, we made an integrated 9-0 where the businessmen, logisticians or buildings can integrate their cameras. to integrate your camera in the U-90 and it is 100% monitored 24 hours by the integrated control center. We took the police program of proximity, Governor Pezão had inaugurated 8 bases. Governor Witzel did 12 more and reached 20. I will inaugurate next week the 57th base of the current security program. It's the largest police program in Brazil. So, the investment...

Today, I heard Governor Callado saying, and he's a good friend, he said, because I invested R$17 billion in six and a half years. He said, and you, Claudio? I said, I invest R$16 billion per year in public security.

Look at the difference.

So, yes, it's my biggest budget ever. We are now planning the Sentinel project, which will be the biggest camera monitoring project in Latin America. We're already in the public audience phase to start the listing. And not just cameras, right? We need intelligence to evaluate. No, cameras with embedded intelligence, with natural language.

He'll say, when he gets the camera, everything counts. He'll say, who wore a black shirt You'll be there

I didn't do anything

With whom he walked Paquito will show up Let's cross the dots Which car did Paquito use We'll get his car Where did he go

Maybe he has the document Maybe Maybe he has the car's wreckage Fines Without the documentation, maybe... Maybe there's a piece of junk in my car...

Fines!

Fines, you get it right away, you know? It's easier. So, it's an investment in public security, it's the biggest in history, it's crazy. In the intervention, the federal government, the other day, the president said he threw money here. It was 800 million reais. We invest 16 billion reais per year in public security. It's the biggest investment in history, for the third consecutive year. This year I'm going to break the 16 billion reais spent on public security again.

So, it's an unbiased investment. Rio de Janeiro has a security policy based on structuring, intelligence and investigation. And that made me make a decision. The police will be completely independent to do all the investigation. There is no longer a governor putting his foot in the investigation. I have seen there, the authorities say the police will investigate this. This is repugnant an authority sending to investigate anything. Governor, presidents, no one can send police. The police must be independent and technical.

It can't be ideological.

It can't be, because otherwise you start to instrumentalize the police. The police didn't make a contest to be instrumentalized by anyone. They made a contest to fight crime. And that's why this police officer has to be here. So, one year of investigation.

One year of investigation resulted in 100 prison sentences and around 160 searches and arrests. Only in those two regions, the Alemão and Penha complexes. They started to set up this big operation. More than 60 days of planning the operation. 2,500 police officers used, forest strategy, and a basic premise

we don't want anyone from the community injured if we could fulfill, if we couldn't fulfill our obligation is to enter to fulfill if you will be able to fulfill, if you will not be able to fulfill had a premise we don't want any citizens affected. And that's why the work...

And those who fight factions, they're not too worried about it.

Zero worried. Just look at the girl who died these days. One drug dealer shot the other and shot the girl together. And I didn't see anyone from Human Rights complain, okay? No one. No commotion. No commotion. I didn't see a minister coming here. I didn't see anything. Zero. And then they have an obligation, when it's a very big operation, we stipulate the period of 48 hours before, they tell me that there will be a big operation, the place that is,

but I make a point of know who are the people involved, otherwise I can't know. Really? I can't know. It's 100% technical and restricted to the security forces.

But what do you know about the operation?

I know there will be a big operation at the location, and we we are ready to start the operation.

The BOP wall...

I didn't know anything about it.

How many...

No, you can't, William. I'm the first one to leak. How are you going to prevent leaks if you start talking?

I see.

So we've been protecting the police a lot, protecting their technique so they can do it. So they went in there to push the conflict to the forest area, which, by the way, is disadvantageous for the police, because it starts to get steep.

And another thing, Pimentel said it was a scenario similar to Vietnam, with closed forests and no place to protect yourself, there are no thick trees and such. When you're straight, the police officer, as he's more well trained, has an advantage.

Now, if you're down, the one you're up there... So our police are so top,

and the public spirit is so great,

that they pushed to the woods where they have an advantage. And with non-lethal actions, which he said was the first time, right?

Yes, when Bob came in, he came in with non-lethal weapons, because our intention was to arrest them, to crush them to the point that they surrender. Paquito, please, put that map we put yesterday too. It's important. So much so that 113 are arrested. 113 surrendered and did not want to face...

I didn't know. There were people who surrendered in the woods.

30 in the woods. 30 went to the woods. Because I heard they went there to exterminate.

So, whoever surrendered wasn't killed.

I have no doubt about the good planning. I have no doubt about the zeal and respect for the population. When you do...

The region of struggle in the forest was in this region.

It was in this one. You have the quarry and you have the forest region.

The cattle ranch here.

Exactly. And the Misericórdia mountain range. They were the areas. And proof, the great proof, it's the great proof that the goal, and obviously I never celebrated anyone's death, there's no such thing as mine. I also think it's absurd who celebrates any kind of death. There's no such thing as mine. You can't be happy like that. We understand that it was a criminal and such, but it's not to celebrate, it's also...

Our intention was that they heard the size of the operation and surrender Because there's also the following Biliano, I don't make agreements What kind of agreement? Tomorrow I'm going to go in, I know, you guys go away I don't make agreements, Biliano

There's no agreement There's no warning

If you're saying that, is it because last year there was this kind of agreement?

No It was said that it was warned Go to leave because tomorrow there will be people here. And the criminals made that escape, which was that they found a show on the day. It was like this, call the mayor of Angra, call the mayor of Buzos, call the mayor of Macaé, call the mayor of Resende. Ask what happened in their city.

It was went there.

It changed from a problem to a city.

Everyone committed a crime there, re-structured there. And today, in all these cities, call the mayor of Itabaixada, São Gonçalo, to Captain Nelson. There was nothing like that before. And why were there so many people from other states here? Because an idea was generated, there is the famous ADPF 635

ADPF? What is it?

It's a judicial action that actually says that we violated a constitutional precept the violation of the conditional precept. And this action proposed by the Brazilian Socialist Party, PSB, unfortunately along with the public defense, it talked about this issue of police lethality. We spent six years with this DPF, and this DPF ended up restricting the police entrance.

And I have to praise, because when we have to praise, we have to praise the Supreme Court in a brilliant decision of the 11 ministers, made a decision that I believe is the lighthouse for the future of public safety. He talks about land reclamation, he talks about division of tasks, he says that the police... I've always said that I'm not afraid, no. It has to be supervised, yes. We have to be supervised, yes, because we are all public officials. We don't deal with something that is ours, we are dealing with something that is public.

The police officer doesn't have a blank check to kill, no. He will react with force to a serious threat. But he can't come and decide to kill the person and kill. The police officer who does that has to be arrested. He's on the wrong side of the force. And here, there is no institution that punishes the bad guys more than the Rio de Janeiro Military Police. None in Brazil has expelled as many members as the Rio de Janeiro Police, which is another unequivocal proof that we fight to have the best with us. You have 1% there who are unfortunately rotten,

but you have 99% who are men and women who are valuable, who are there to change people's lives. So, if you say, Claudio, did the surgery change everything? No. But the operation gave back something very important, Vilela. It gave back hope to people.

And the idea that it could be a start again, a change. There is police. The police is capable of fighting. Not everything is lost. And hope is, yes, a very important asset. I have no doubt that the whole of Brazil embraced this operation. Not Brazil, several countries in the world are embracing it,

because they understand that there is a thread of hope. This cannot be an operation, it has to have been the beginning of a movement.

And it can't be?

It has to be. Will it be? Where the citizen of good no longer wants to have barricades near their homes. The researches say, Vilelmo. What do you mean? Were you surprised by the researches or did you expect this? No, I was surprised. I was surprised by the size of the approval. Let's put it in the research again. Almost 90% of the people who live there are in favor.

And then, comes the meeting of what I've been talking about. Can you imagine being ashamed to call your mother to go to your house? Because there's a barricade and the car can't pass. Your friend can't go because there's someone with a rifle. Look at this.

87.6% And up there, 80.9%

Look at that. It's impressive. It's impressive how big it is.

This even made a movement that. I'm curious about this move. The left is approving when historically it has always been against these actions.

I don't know if it was Quest who researched, but between 30% and 35% of the electors of the president of the republic, who is a politician from the Workers' Party, supported the operation.

That said the other day that drug dealers are victims of users. And then corrected, but it was very bad, right? That sentence of his.

Sometimes, I always say, I'm having a stance, the truth is this, I don't want to repeat anyone's statement because it seems like we're doing this for political reasons. I think you have all the analysts who can criticize what everyone says. In this operation, I said that if any of my secretaries answered anyone, and look what people said, Chuchu, I would be fired immediately.

Because I don't want to. We are not going to turn this into a political back and forth. You see that there is no comment from me about the speech of anyone, and I'm not even going to do it. Now, it's regrettable. It's certainly regrettable. And it shows that maybe it's a vision under a prism of political ideology. A lot of people talking in their ears.

It's also anachronistic, a romantic vision of the past.

An analogic vision.

A criminal one, the past has changed. We were talking here with Pimentel and Menezes, that if a drug dealer comes to a family's house and says, I want to date your 14-year-old daughter, what happens? Who's there? Why don't you have any connection?

I want to, but I don't want to.

Give it to me.

Exactly. What happens if the mother says no?

Imagine, I have a 9-year-old daughter. In 4 or 5 years, she'll be a young lady. Imagine my son... The other day, an authority told me, No, Claudio, you have to put a school, etc. I said, yes. Look for the city mayor and ask him how much money is spent

in these places today. They all have schools. They all have Faietec, our professional qualification agency. I saw a sister who lost two brothers and she said, look, Altolar, we were raised together and I went to study. I had the opportunity.

But there's a girl today who earns between 1,500 and 3,000 a week, Vilela. What job will give 6,000 a month to a 16 to 20-year-old boy? There isn't. Life starts with effort. Today, crime... Let's end this romanticism of the poverty pockets. Today, crime is business, it's money. The guys are exploring the internet, gas, bread.

And then you understand, you hear a lot of nonsense, you say, no, because São Paulo did an operation, of fuel. Cool, let them do more, but São Paulo is logistics. And what gives money for logistics? Fuel. The river is a state of service. We have to attack these companies with the help of the internet.

We made a calculation here of 140 thousand people, 100 reais per month, 1.4 million people earn with the internet. And it's not just that, everything that comes to the service is gas. You're forced to do it. What happens if you say, I don't want gas, I'm going to buy it outside. There's no such option. You don't buy it. You don't have the courage to do it. And there are people who take you out of your house.

You fight with your wife and say, no, you get out of here.

Bye. Now, from now on, your house is mine. How do you live? We already hired Anatel. We are after these big criminals. I agree, there are a lot of big criminals who are not there trading money. They are in condominiums. And we are investigating these.

There are investigations of the follow the money, where we follow the money and see where it is. If it's in the south zone, in the bar, we'll get it.

And also, in conversation with Menezes, there were investigations, prisons, not only of the Red Command, but also of the Third Command, militiamen.

You have to understand the following. In the years 1921 and 1922, I did the biggest task in history against the militias. More than 1,500 militiamen were arrested. We weakened the militias so much that the traffic, especially the Red Command, started to take the militia areas, or worse, to buy them, creating the narco-militias, which is the junction of the trafficking and the militia. Sometimes people from ideology say,

I even heard this nonsense, that they want to weaken drug trafficking so that the militia can come back. If I were the guy who weakened the militia, more than 6 billion people would be from being arrested by the militia.

But you're talking about something important. If you have this fight, these operations, and the police don't stay there, someone will take this territory. There is no vacancy of power.

How do you do that?

You have a mistake. A mistake in the legislation. Our constitution is from 1988, and was implemented in 1989. At that time, you had the poverty tax, you had urban violence linked to poverty, and you had specialized gangs. What kind of crime existed at that time?

Robberies, kidnappings, bank robberies, kidnappings, bank robberies, car robberies, etc. What does the Constitution do? It says that everything that is a financial system, everything that is international, borderline, is from the federal government. The rest is from the federal government. The rest is the state government. That doesn't exist anymore today. Today, the financial crime of the lavage

is happening inside the favela. Today, the rifle is getting there. Last year, Vilela, the police of Rio de Janeiro arrested 732 riflemen. They arrested them. The second place was Bahia with 78. Look at the difference. Only in this operation I seized more rifles than Bahia

the whole year last. You must be hearing on social media, everyone asking, where do these rifles come from? Rio de Janeiro does't produce weapons, so it doesn't produce drugs. If I learned 738... 732, sorry. How many are not there anymore? We saw the charts, 90% are manufactured in the United States.

And sold to South America.

Or come in coming and assembled.

Which are now the Franksteins. Which is a novelty that is coming now, including parts of airsoft, parts of weapons, because the United States blocked or restricted the sale of ready-made weapons, but did not restrict the sale of parts of weapons. That's what I did that year, when I talked, I went to tell them that they also had to blockade

because of these Frankstein rifles that are being assembled now. The São Paulo police burst into the countryside in a way that has already passed more than 3,000 rifles.

Mounting?

Mounting more than 3,000 rifles.

Federal? What are you talking about? Federal police?

I think it was the police of the city of São Paulo. I think the investigation was from the federal police, but the one that burst was the police. It was in Fantástico this week. They said it was the police of São Paulo. I think it was a joint investigation, but the police that broke in, the Federal Police has done,

showed up there, one that was trafficking here, they only caught him on the sixth delivery. That is, five passed. And look, I'm going to say something here, people keep wanting to complain, but the Federal Police has been a great partner of the Federal Police in the case of them have passed. And I'll say something here, people want to make a controversy,

but the Federal Police has been a great partner of Rio de Janeiro. The superintendent who is there today, who has to criticize the critics, who has to praise, I praise. And the Federal Police, the Rio Superintendent, has been, since the new superintendent came in, has made a huge partnership with the Rio police since the new superintendent came in. And there are things... Was it federal?

Let me correct you. The federal police blew up this factory in São Paulo. But anyway, to say that we, only finishing the operation, I believe, not by the number of deaths, I repeat, we don't celebrate thenocent people, the four police officers. The rest went to confront the two most well-prepared forces in this country, which are BOP and CORE from Rio de Janeiro.

Let's go to the questions we've heard in the media. Yesterday, no, Tuesday, you wrote in a newspaper, several people with different thoughts. One of them talked about the research, justified, this research is like this because it is current. Over time, people will change their opinion about it. He talked about rifles, where do these rifles come from, we are talking about it. you know, There were experts who said, this one I thought was fantastic, it was just with stone, it didn't need to have been shot at by the police.

And I didn't know that, I wanted you to explain it to me, because I didn't know that it was easier with stone, I wouldn't have so much expense on ammunition, and weapons, and everything else.

I would be saving money.

Exactly, we go to a quarry,

load a truck, and it's done in a steeling. I think I'll be sued for some day. Exactly. How do you answer these questions that people are raising? Let's go. What people want is for it not to be something that stays around. I think you'll have criticism...

Sorry, and just to add to what I said before about occupying, right? Not only being specific actions, but occupying. If there's this intention...

I don't believe in occupation. Occupation is to screw up actions, but to occupy. If you have that intention...

I don't believe in occupation. Occupation is to screw up the life of the resident. Why? Because the policeman is armed, and the resident is afraid, the criminal is hidden while the police is there. When the police disoccupies him, he leaves.

And he comes back?

He comes back. You have to deconstruct these terrorist organizations. And how do you do it? Taking their weapons, taking their money.

How do you take their money?

Especially with money laundering. Discovering. Vilela, there is no more money package. There is no more money. It's all through the national financial system. It's all with companies, sending money out. Let's talk about life as it is. It's not about money anymore.

It's all about the national financial system. I agree, we have to investigate the heads, yes, and it's being done. Just the containment operation has already asked for more than two billion in blocking.

Yeah.

Yeah.

We already had another detention operation in Rocinha, which is little talked about, where we were the criminals from Ceará who were here. And we went, it started at 4 am, I was there, at the police HQ, and there was no one there. Because that day, they fled instead of confronting the police. There were some prisoners. The intention was to find a building at the HQ,

we found the building, we demolished it. That's what the commandant said. And we did it. And nobody said anything. I demolished the building. That's what the commandant said. And we did it. And nobody said anything. Why?

Because you only have the interest to talk when you have a result like this. But the operation was a success. We arrested a lot of people, we found the building, we demolished the building, we fulfilled the mandate, as the police have done. If you look at the last 40, 50 days, every week there is an operation,

de-structuring, de-structuring, de-structuring. Now, Rio de Janeiro has the conditions to win battles. Alone we will win the battles. There will be We can win battles on our own. There won't be a place where we won't go. And now I'm telling you, an incessant fight against Barricada is about to start.

I'm going to finish this shit with Barricada in Rio. And whoever comes back with it will be the next operation.

But you were saying that you are few resources, right?

I'll spend what I have to do it.

Because what is it?

Tractor, excavator, cement.

There are some that are with electricity. Let's do it. I'll spend what I have to spend. There are many, many. Especially in the Baixada and in the West Zone and São Gonçalo there. you You have to leave it outside the barricade. Second, when the police arrive, the police are trapped inside the barricade. And that's a place of confrontation, of course.

In that operation of the little alligator, the first one who died was André, who was our policeman, and he was shooting the barricade.

He was shooting the barricade.

No shots had been fired. There was a tip. What are tips? They are walls with holes in them. And the criminal puts the gun in the angle of the person pulling the trigger. And he just keeps pulling the trigger.

He's still a coward.

And then everything that the story has told happened. Then they tried to make a memorial of the bandit, putting Andre's name I sent him there and demolished that shit I thought I wouldn't leave a memorial of a bandit And much less with my policeman That's why I don't say 121

I say 117 plus 4 I don't mix my policeman with a criminal police officer who died is a hero and a victim. The bandit had his choice. He had the choice to surrender and he wanted to face it. This one was neutralized.

Another question that was being raised yesterday, the day before yesterday, is why was the action in Bahia without deaths and why did the action here in Rio have so many casualties?

Take the number of Bahia and Rio. Bahia is the police that kills the most. In Brazil, they shoot, shoot, shoot. They want to make a political narrative. I'm not going to make a political narrative. The people are fed up with security based on political narrative.

I'm not going to do it. This other question that was raised yesterday, that would be electoral, this action has electoral purposes, the deputy who was in my program yesterday said he was in fourth place for senator and now he's in first place. See how he is a voter.

First of all, I wasn't in fourth place. I was in second.

So it's already wrong.

It's already wrong. His research must be his background research. I was in second. And also, I had already announced that I wasn't a candidate for anything. I left in all the places that I... My intention today is to stay in my term until the end. The only thing that is not is the electoral office.

I told several journalists that if the decision were today, my decision would be to end my term, not being a candidate at all.

And deliver results.

If I think that until April next year I haven't fulfilled my mission, I'll be, until the end, without any problem. I've already announced this several times. So, we want to politicize this. The great policy is for people to have the right to come and go.

Whoever comes here for this, come. The great policy is for people to have the right to come and go.

Whoever comes here for this, come. Whoever doesn't come, whoever comes here to make a fuss, to fight, get out of here. Get out. We don't want to. The people are fed up. Look at the research. The people don't want this anymore, you know, Bilé? They can't take it anymore. Unlike other times, we've been doing...

Take all my speeches, there's not one politicizing or polarizing. None. I dare you to take a speech of mine that I have politicized or polarized. If the federal government came here, I received it to see the federal government here, I received.

I wanted to see the governors here, I received. I wanted to see the DPF reporter, I received. And I will receive everyone who wants to help Rio de Janeiro. Regardless of... I wanted to see the Chamber of... the Public Security Commission of the Chamber, I received.

The Human Rights Commission wanted to go to the Health Secretary. I determined that the Secretary should receive it. Here we don't have that. Whoever wants to debate, in a good way, I debate with anyone, so much so that I'm here.

On Monday, Xandão came here. Alexandre.

And then, how was it?

It was very cool.

What was his intention? It was very cool.

What did he see? First of all, we have to understand that he is a temporary reporter. He was Edson Fachin's minister, and when he was elected to the presidency, the president who left receives his processes, but he retired.

And in the regiment, the next one, the temporary one, was the minister Alexandre de Moraes. And when the new one came in, he was the new minister. So people said, no, he was always 100% regimental. He made a point of telling us that he that he would be temporary. He wanted to know the motivation, the operation, the results, to hear from us.

What did you show him?

We showed him what Meneses showed you here. All the planning, how it was. It was nice that the people from the CNJ Council of Justice, and the CNMP, the National Council of Public Administration, were together. So it was a conversation... I even heard him say, no, it started tense. I didn't find anything tense. I thought he was in his role as a reporter and asked the questions. The other one said, but it's not done, it's not called there.

What do you mean, it's not done, it's not called there? No, you don't go to the place, you call there. Each one has their own methodology. I don't think it's wrong. It's cool. A high authority. Wanting to leave the office to go to the place. We showed the camera technology, we showed the embedded camera.

He saw a camera working at the same time. He could see our monitoring center. It's cool to understand the level of technology we have. I found it very positive. I think the minister was able to know the reality. It seems he went to the court, to the public ministry, to the defense, to the city hall.

It's nice that he could come here and understand what really happened. I was happy, I was very happy. I think we were able to prove to him that... I can't prove, Vilela, that nothing wrong happened. I have to prove that everything was planned and that everything is transparent. If we make a mistake, the expert is there to talk. They said there was no problem, but there was. that everything was planned and everything is transparent. If we make a mistake, the expert is there to talk.

They said there was no monitoring. Lie! The Public Prosecutor followed it. The Public Prosecutor told him to follow it. What happened in this case was that we had a divergence of information with the defense, and the defensewoman who went with the deputies was not the person designated by the general defense, and she didn't go in. And the next day we corrected it, and those who were designated are there

going there every day and have free access. But that person arrives, imagine, 10 deputies wanting to enter inside theoratary. No one with authorization. The defender who went arrives along with the deputy. He shouldn't. So the defender sent the person who had to go and the person is having all the access there, as the public ministry did. The public ministry sent the How did the Public Prosecutor's Office do it? They sent a list of those who had access since the beginning. Let's defend the police once again. The police didn't take the bodies that prevented the police from doing the search.

The police didn't leave everyone naked. It's called procedural fraud. The police didn't commit the procedural fraud. So we are very aware that my orientation and determination was total transparency. I don't want anyone to be without an answer. That's why I made sure to be there.

What was your participation? You said you didn't know the details, but you went to the...

I went there. As soon as I knew, I went to the Control and Control Center and stayed there until 2 in the afternoon there. It had already happened most of the operation. Did you receive the images there? Did you receive the information in real time? We received it immediately, in real time. What was the tension? What was the feeling at the time? How did we see it a few times later?

And for you who were seeing it in real time, what was going on?

We were very concerned about the lives of the police officers there. When we saw that the population was no longer at risk, our great concern and great agony was above all for the injured police officers, to get them out of there as soon as possible. There was a time when we had to supply ammunition. We were very worried about our agents. We would see the results of the operation later.

That moment was of care and concern for our heroes who were there in the moment of combat, needing all the support necessary. We had a lot of wounded soldiers, We were very careful and worried about our heroes who were there in the moment of combat, needing all the support necessary. We had 10 drones there, following the real time, giving the the police had the advantage and they could surrender. It was another positive thing, where to throw the bomb. So the teams... It was extremely technical, I didn't get involved in anything.

I was just there, looking for, to give them support.

Did you get any news about the casualties? Yes, I did. How did it affect you? I know you went to visit the police.

We were actually just finding out about the wounded. Not the dead. We only knew about two dead Then another one arrived and then another one. Unfortunately. But our concern at the time was with the wounded. It was our agony to get the wounded out as soon as possible

so we could take care of them. And then I went to visit them on Sunday. Who did you visit? I only visited the military, because both of the police are still in the ICU. So I'll visit them as soon as I can. I sent...

There's a video of the visit, right? Yes. Put it here for us. I sent a law to the Legislative Assembly on Monday, changing the conditions of the police. They will now have the option to reform themselves or not. They will be able to remain active in administrative work, if they want, so that they can progress in their careers.

And if they want to leave, they will leave with a full salary that the military already had, not to the civilians. So I sent to the Legislative Assembly now a law equating the civilian police and giving them the possibility to stay active, especially a delegate, whose intellectual work is fundamental, who lost his leg, he will be able to opt to continue in the police doing all the intellectual work. This one, this one was at work. This one was at the Military Police. It was at the General Hospital of the Military Police.

Oh, this one, right?

Yeah. It's me, Secretary Vitor, Secretary of Security, and Colonel Menezes.

Let's go.

We went there, visited. Got it? This is Baque. back

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Yeah, I'll tell you

Tamiya I had to work on the treatment.

One of them was very shaken up, the one that will appear next.

He...

The one who saved him died.

Yeah. He was very shakenrounded, well... But, like, the strength of this guy, I don't know... Vibrating through the population, recognizing them as heroes, you know? Even there, wounded, hurt, that's what was most... Yeah, anyway... I was in pain, this is what was most... Anyway, but yeah...

I made a point of going there and hug... This one, this is what was... This was the one Tom shot in the shoulder

He shot in the shoulder?

Yeah, no, it was in the buttock Oh, ok

We saw the videos, right? Yeah

Of the help coming, doing the tonic, they are very good images.

Our police officers today are all trained with first aid. So all, especially the special battalions, they do the first aid there, at the time. Exactly to have the maximum chance of preserving the life of the police officer. It's a training that we do. Actually, we built the biggest police training center in Latin America. Where is it?

It's in Sulacap. The biggest police training center in Latin America. It's in Rio de Janeiro today. It has a really cool thing, which is the decision-making room, where the police officer trains, so that when he has to make a decision, in a stressful situation, we try to train our police officer more and more.

I was even the target of criticism, but I increased their course time. Because sometimes the crowd, especially the contestants, want to get in, get in, get in, get in, and they get that agony of getting in. And I slowed it down because I didn't want to put a bad cop in the street. Because he'll pay for it later. It's not me who's there to fight him.

We know it's unpleasant, but we're not here to please everyone. We're here to do what has to be done.

Governor, some people knew I was coming here to talk to you and sent questions. We'll put them on the screen for you. But first I'd like to know something. There are a lot of people comparing you to Bukele. Some are afraid, and others are excited about the possibility of being replicated or something similar to what he did there.

How do you see this comparison or these comments?

I think that...

And making a buchelization here in Rio.

It's totally different, it has nothing to do with it, really. He took over the presidency of the republic, and he's doing a really impressive job. He found the country. But there he changed the legislation, really But I really moved a little a song a little mood or a form the political leader

Who I can still not get that you know you died in concert? I meant to imagine Your party was not to cast a metal key as well. I was can cast a rock and think it's a cast a rather Things you know I was a big girl more digitally bottle of a city did you did you sent you back? I think it's about incarcerating those who have to be incarcerated. I see. It's not about taking a bunch of people and putting them there. You have to discourage crime. It's not about putting everyone there.

I think there has to be a balance between the things. You can't even encourage it. For example, the release arrest that happens today, I'm arresting the same guy 40, 50 times.

I don't understand.

30 times he was released?

The guy who was the police officer had 160 arrests. How do you hold him? He has to be arrested. But I still believe there are many situations where you have to work on your pocket. Another situation is when you hire someone to work for you. That was another good thing that Buckelly did.

He did the industrial requirements, which is a project of ours here in Rio de Janeiro. He hired someone to work for him. The businessman can hire a production line. And the guy from the chain works to reduce the penalty to pay for his expenses. Yeah. For the family that is out, instead of having a bank account, he works to support his family.

That would be the right thing. That would be the right thing. We have this project here, but talking about prison, no one wants to do it politically, it's very difficult. What's the alternative? There's very difficult. What's your alternative? There's no other.

There's no space. And how do we solve this loose arrest?

I've talked a lot with the National Court of Justice. I think we're very close to changing the resolution. We understand the idea that crimes of the lowest potential don't go to the crime university, which is the prison. But if you don't measure this well, you create incentives. For example, we arrested between 28 and 32 thousand criminals per year.

Last year I arrested 46,000. And the issue of the custodial hearing, people create demons. Everything is about custodial hearings. But is it a problem? It is a problem because the legislation dictates that. The custodial hearing was created to fight arbitrariness.

Everyone celebrated, and now it's criticized because it releases everyone. In Brazil, you create something to help, and it gets in the way. There's a project by Senator Flávio Bolsonaro, which talks about the issue of criminal habit. This is an excellent path. What happens in practice?

Most of these criminals, with small potential, will be benefited by the Sursi in two years. So this will not go unjudged. You will not have the re-incidence, because a re-incidence needs to be punished. We are fighting, and Flávio did a project with the police in Rio, he called the police in Rio so they could tell him what he needed.

It was a very nice process of dialogue. If we look at the idea of criminal habit, and the idea I gave him at the time, was to use the same time as Soussi, which is two years. In two years, if he commits the same crime,

he will be arrested.

It's basic.

And then you won't have any incentive. It happens a lot. Life is like that, guys. At 5pm my cop arrests me. The guy says, Hey, man, let me go.

You'll have to stay until 10pm at the police station. And tomorrow I'll be back here. And when the next day comes, do you know what the cop sees? What? The guy is back there. Yeah. I'm He gets paid. Now he gets paid, because it was a joke. The police officer would go to the audience, lose his day off, and he didn't get paid. He didn't get paid. Now we pay the police officer who goes to the audience for the occurrence.

At least he gets paid for that, because he stays there all day. He gets paid for his day's work.

Let's go to the first question. Let's go. the first question.

From Kim, right?

Kim Cataguiri.

Send it.

Governor Claudio Castro, first of all, congratulations for the operation. I think we should have more governors, including the federal government, having the courage to take back territories taken for crime. We, Movement Brasil Livre and Partido Missão, have defended a new constitution, a debate on life imprisonment and death penalty, with also the adoption of the criminal law of the enemy against factions that they are considered foreign invaders and therefore do not have the same rights and guarantees as Brazilian citizens. After all, they have everything that a foreign country invading Brazil would have.

They have domain of territory, their own weapons, their own law, their-state, they already have, therefore, can and should be treated as enemies of the state, enemies of society life imprisonment, even because there are criminals who have no recovery, who have nothing else to do, and death penalty, even because they are chiefs of factions, we know that even if we had life imprisonment for them, they would still be commanding the crime from inside the jail, and this one, in fact, has to be killed.

I would like to know the governor's opinion regarding these proposals.

Let's go. Let's go.

Death penalty, I'm not in favor of it, I've never been, and I won't be. The question of life imprisonment here...

Because if there's an error, it's an error that doesn't...

Of course. I've never been, and I'm not in favor of it. The question of life imprisonment, I think it's a preliminary discussion. It's the progressions. I think that before we talk about the perpetual imprisonment, if there will be a need for it or not for Brazil, we have to work on the following.

Who will progress? Who will not progress? If you count the 30 years of the Brazilian legal system...

Which is the maximum.

Which is the maximum? In practice... In practice it's a life sentence. But that's not what happens. But that's not what happens. So, if we talk about prison, I repeat, I think it's a much worse topic to talk about,

much more difficult to talk about, and you won't reach today's problem. Today's problem, in my opinion, is the issue of progression. If we really attack progression, we can have an exceptional result. That is, it's not possible for a gun criminal to be on the streets in 8 months. This is not a problem of perpetual imprisonment, this is a problem of progression of penalty. I am in favor of having an urgent and severe revision of these progressions. But you see that this can happen? Because it doesn't seem that there is a political will for this.

There is no political will for this. I agree with you. But I think that we are in a situation that is far more palatable for society to defend the non-progression of this issue. And Kim touches on a subject that I think he touched on at the exact right moment. It is a question that we have to ask ourselves, Vilela. To what extent what happens, especially in Rio de Janeiro and São Paulo today, is it public security or national defense? How do we make this division?

You have a territory occupied by a terrorist organization. The Minister of Justice himself has said that it is transnational. He doesn't call it a terrorist organization, but he says it is transnational. So you have a transnational narco-terrorist, who has a territory occupation. He has war weapons, exclusively used by the armed forces.

He has his own law, his own court. He tortures, he accuses, he judges, he tortures and he kills. And he does the local's financial ecology. To what extent is this public security or is it a state of unconstitutional things? A state of unconstitutional things is national defense. It's a defense of sovereignty in that territory.

There is no longer national sovereignty in various territories. And this is a discussion... Kinho said, I don't know if this is the solution, but it's an excellent debate. I agree with Kinho, this is the debate. If it's to treat him as a foreigner, I don't know if this is the right remedy.

We would have to study this a lot. But if Kim touches the wound, he touches it. This is probably the worst problem in Brazil and the second worst problem in terms of classification. Along with this, in my opinion opinion, is the terrorist issue. Because Brazil is the only country in the world that classifies the terrorist by motivation and not by act.

It has to be motivated by religion.

If they throw a bomb now, where are we? But if it's not ethnic, if it's not ideological, religious, it's not a terrorist. And in the whole world, the terrorist is classified by the act

By the terrorism that he causes

By the terror that he causes It's that constant fear of being safe or not That's it. In Brazil, no. The law is ideological and was made to protect the black bloc

The black bloc at the time of the demonstrations

The demonstrations, especially in Rio de Janeiro What would change today if the traffickers were classified as terrorists? We already know that these weapons and drugs are bought by the financial system. So you could have a blockade of goods. You could have an investigation that previously took all these goods, you could have in all the territories that you consider, all the issue of extradition, there are many benefits that you can have,

prevent these people from accessing the financial system, monitoring their relatives, would certainly be situations that would help the federal government a lot, because these investigations are federal, not state-run. So, in our opinion, it would help them a lot to be classified as terrorists, because they would have many more mechanisms to block criminal activity, especially criminal financial activity.

Let's go to the second question, from Glauber. Go ahead, Paquito.

Speak up, Glauber. Good people. What's up, Glauber? Yeah, what's up?

Governor, Rio de Janeiro has around 1,800 communities. In these communities, criminals, narco-terrorists, dominate this territory, subjugating this population to all kinds of barbarism. There are 1,800 communities, and by doing a reasonable estimate, we can conclude that we have around 80 to 100,000 criminals,

all of them carrying rifles, in the expressive number of 50,000, 60,000 rifles within Rio de Janeiro. You led an operation that I already leave my congratulations, was celebrated and commemorated by all of us. But the result of the operation that brought 113 criminals and around 120 neutralized, shot down in confrontation with the police, shows that for Rio de Janeiro to conclude this cleaning and save these people who are subjugated, humiliated in these communities,

we would need to have a weekly operation. We would need to have, in addition to all the legal and legislative changes, speaking only of the operational part, the police should operate and operate much more frequently, operations in the port of the Penha complex. My question to you is,

is it possible that Rio de Janeiro has operations of this magnitude weekly? Is it possible that there is a simultaneous planning? Because if we wait 75 days to have an operation

we will have only 4, 5, at most per year. So, Governor, please once again, congratulations. Thank you for the answer.

I understand, Glauber, that everyone wants to achieve a result. The result we want to achieve is to free communities from the terror of these criminals. I don't believe we will achieve this by doing operations like this every week. I think we have to block the entry of weapons, do the money laundering, fight this ecology that we were talking about here,

of fuel, of internet, of smuggling, of cigarettes, of everything, of the construction material store, the ice factory Most of them are dominated by companies that... The other day I said people fought with me, that they are not insurance companies, they are... What's the name of the other one? It's a modality of insurance companies that is paying money for the criminal to return the vehicle.

It's this one, that also has an investigation of this. So, here's the thing. Nobody wants to, and this operation was a necessity, but I don't think it's doing one of these a week. One hour there will be a side effect, one hour innocent people will die, and we want to preserve each life, especially innocent ones.

What we really have to do is to follow what the DPF 635 decision said. It is the true beacon. Uniting all, from the city halls to the urban coordination, the state with public security, which is not what we are doing today. I understand that we are not even extrapolating much. Because this fight, as we were saying before,

is a fight for national sovereignty, but since no one does it, the state has to go in and do it. And there's no legal classification for this, even though it's very clear, very spicy. It's very clear, the idea of CANI, which is the Non-International Armed Conflict. And this is put here. If it's not CANI, I don't know what it is, but I don't believe it is to do operations. I think it is to work with more intelligence, to do it when it is necessary, when there is a large number of criminals,

when intelligence shows that in that place there needs a strong action. Besides that, you generate terror, especially for the community. I honestly don't think that in Rio the national average of people living in communities is 8%, and in Rio it's 24%. I think the social effect on that would be terrible. And what we don't want is an urban war in Rio de Janeiro. That's not what we need. When we need to do it, we will.

But there are other operations, like intelligence, money laundering, prison, criminal operations, that we have to do together, meet the needs of big operations.

How is the support, or not support, of governors and mayors of other cities?

Impressive support. Everyone wants to send cash here, everyone wants to. So much so that we gave the idea of the Peace Consortium, which aims to share experiences, help and fight these routes. Even though they start internationally, they go through our states. So we share intelligence, we share names of criminals, who is doing this, so we can try to have a bigger success in the blockade when these weapons and these drugs enter our territories. So we can try to blockade there, since the federal government is not able to prevent entry, that we, as governors, within what the law allows us,

that we try together to block this in our territorialities.

I saw some statements at the beginning of a request for help from the federal government and this help was not accepted? What happened at the beginning? The government said no.

There are these two narratives. I'd like to know what really happened.

What happened is that... Every time it was Sérgio Cabral and others, there was no need for a GLO.

What is a GLO?

It's the guarantee of the law and order. It's a law, a decree that is being applied in COP. When the government is allied, it doesn't need JALO. When it's not, it needs it. So, for three or four situations, we asked for the Marines' armor. And why did we ask for the Marines' armor?

What difference would it make? They are armored that that are exclusive.

Can we get a picture of that?

Paquito will put it up later. They are armored vehicles that are on the road. They can go through any kind of barricade. Wrecked land, even barricaded? Without the police needing to leave.

I see.

So, for us to be able to progress on the ground, without having a conflict, where the area is built, and without the police having to go out to take it down, we would have an easy way to progress, to enter, and to push them to the non-built areas, which is what we want. And every time we asked, because of the operator...

Is that it? Yes, it, because of the operator,

Is it this one?

Yes, it's one of them.

Because of the operator, the operator should be a military, they told us that it should be a GLO. And then, when we went to make the planning, we were told that we had three or four negative. Why would we ask for it again? Some were crying and complaining, others were leaving to work.

And that was actually a question from the reporter in the collective. Did the federal government help? I said no. Why? Because the other times we asked, we were not answered. And it was very bad, right? I even got rid of this controversy about the Federal Police, because there is a daily flow of information between them. You can even criticize whether the decision was right or wrong by the Federal Police not to participate. And then I leave it to the analysts to analyze if the decision was right or wrong. But the decision to participate or not is not daily.

There are times when I participate, there are times when I don't. It's punctual?

It's daily.

About several investigations. There is a flow of conversations. Sometimes it's not daily, sometimes it's weekly, but there's a constant flow of conversations. Do I guarantee that there was no mistake? No. I don't guarantee it, even because I didn't participate in the negotiations. But there's no controversy about me not wanting to participate because it's the police of Claudio Castro.

I don't believe that. I don't believe that the Serious Institution, like like the Federal Police plays this horrible role. I have praised him a lot, especially this superintendent who is here now. He is a guy who has greatly encouraged the partnership. When I have to criticize, I do. But he is seeking integration, seeking to help.

If the adhesion was right or wrong, it's not up to me to judge. Since I have my own control organs, he has his own to judge if it was right or wrong. But we had a conversation.

Next question, Paquito.

Do you know him? He was a coach with me, Tarsizo Mota, let it go. Do you know him? He was a councillor with me, Tarsiso Mota, from PSOL. We were councillors together for two years. We had good clashes in the City Council.

The first trial presented to the Court of Appeal was the completion of 100 prison sentences, one that was held for 100 sentences in prison, in addition to other searches and arrests. It turns out that out of those 100 sentences, only 5 people were effectively arrested. Faced with such a huge disparity between the declared objective and what happened, the trial changed. It was now to search for documents of the faction.

Governor, what justified the arrest?

Tarsísio, Tarsísio, in the popular we call it trying to find hair in egg. The reason was the judicial mandate. You can even question if the goal was achieved or not. But if he wants to know the reason, the reason was the judicial matter. Vilela, if it was easy, it would have been resolved. It's very easy to be there, on your little feet, on the carpet of the Chamber, talking nonsense. What happens is that the police is there to take people out of terror. And 90% of those people who are there are favorable.

Tassizio, I think it's ugly to try to discredit the police's motivation. Criticize the operation.

What else discouraged you, made you saddest, what made you saddest, the comments from the authorities or the journalists? What do you get when they talk to you? Because I know that there are always criticisms. It's normal.

But what do you get? Is it a lie? Is it ignorance? What kind of criticism did you get the most from your team

or from the people involved?

The worst thing in the world, in my opinion, is half-truth.

Is it worse than a lie?

Worse.

Because a lie is easy. It's a lie, it's a lie.

Half-truth takes elements of what happens and tries to distort it. I see. And this group is a champion of half-truth. So it's a sweet speech. Because you look at elements of truth and you say, Oh yeah!

And then the guy just denies some information or lies in the middle of a true story that he's telling.

Give us an example of a narrative like that.

Of his narrative.

Look, the motivation... The goal was this, it didn't fulfill... The motivation was this, the goal was that, and then what? The citizen who sometimes doesn't understand the mechanics of the investigation

of whatever, he will say, it makes sense, it only took 5 years.

So it wasn't that, now they changed it to documents.

In the 90s they had or other mandates or passages So that's not what it was, now they changed it to documents. There were 90 of them. Or others sent, or passages, or everything. And, excuse me, everyone was carrying firearms. They were in the woods.

And is it true that they took off their vests and camouflaged clothes to make them into underpants? What's the purpose of that?

Fraud to be swindled. What's the point of that? To show, to try to play a game, an image that runs the whole world and discredits the police. That if they were all camouflaged and with guns... True. They are bodies. They are. They were killed. They were. But when you take off the camouflage, you're not sure if they were there, fighting. This is a classic example of half-truth. He takes it, it's true, my strong image is, whether they deserved it or not, they were human beings, they were.

Now, when you take off the camouflage, you get the idea that the guy was there fighting. I'm It was a raincoat in his hand. Much less a raincoat. This is what bothers me. It bothers people who were elected to protect the citizen. And curiously, he doesn't talk about the police. Nobody is talking about the police, including... And not even Barbara!

Yeah, who was the one who...

What a beautiful girl! She wanted to get pregnant, her mother-in-law said. She was alone, she didn't drive She was on Uber She wanted to get pregnant, she wanted to build a family With her husband, a beautiful young girl

A young, beautiful couple

Dead in a war of factions

In the middle

Where? Ask for the guy's prison, he didn't ask he asked mine but they didn't ask but they didn't ask the one who killed the girl

Paquito, questions let's go there's one here that's very controversial the governor said he doesn't answer he said before you can ask whatever you want It's a very controversial question I'm going to send it to you The governor said he doesn't answer

He said before, you can ask whatever you want

He doesn't answer little, he answers a lot So let's go Alex sent here Governor, as far as I know, no one goes up to Germany without authorization There's a talk going on that the entrance of these police officers

was negotiated with Marcinho VP for the freedom of his son What do you think about this theory?

Let's go. First of all, the police arrested his son. The one who released him was the police. So I can't understand how crazy this is. And second, there are 117 people who won't be able to tell this story. It wasn't the police that came in without... came in with...

freely, without confrontation, I don't know what, could walk around with peace of mind. It wasn't the police, no. But there were people who came in and didn't need to ask for permission, came in together, talked, walked,

something that the police themselves and no one else can do. I think that... There was a bit of a stabbing, right? Yeah, some of them got in there freely, they gave an interview, walked around freely, the police can't do it, the good citizen can't do it, but this group that got on a plane and came here, they did it.

Yeah. In relation to what we were saying about the lined up bodies, I think that because of this image, despite an absurd approval about this operation, there was a part of the international press, and even here in Brazil, that compared this action to what happened in Karandiru.

What do you have to say to these people? I know it was very punctual, not everyone is saying this, but we heard this kind of comment too.

And you who want to discredit, that image is a attempt to discredit.

The bodies in the line.

It's totally different. Those bodies were in the woods fighting the police. So there's no chance of them being alive. They were in a prison without being able to escape. Exactly. They were exchanging shots with the police So it's radically different Absurdly different

Send it Paquito

Is this controversial or not? I think the first one I did was the most controversial of all Now I'm more relaxed You're more calm Ricardo sent us a message What are your plans after the surgery?

Do you think the surgery will be enough to end the crime in Rio? Or do you have a better plan in the long run?

We could talk a little bit about that

A more durable control

Our next phase, which I can tell you about, is a breaking news for Vilela. Unlimited intelligence. Unlimited, in this case, and limiting intelligence. We're going to start a big program of barricade withdrawal. I'm happy about that, because it's a big headache for a lot of people. Give back the right to go and come to people. And where we start, if we come back, there will be surgery the next day.

When I come back to talk to you, will it be different?

I hope so.

How much time to...

No, we'll start next week. You'll hear it very soon. I'll be here at the end of the year. I will call you. I will send you the pictures. Send me the pictures. So you can put them here for the people to see.

Ok. Paquito, send it. Don't come with me, Paquito. I am just inviting the governor. You stay in São Paulo. I know who the real ones are.

Tell me in São Paulo. please. I know who the real ones are. Tell me about São Paulo. Everton sent a question here, a question from many São Paulo fans. He said, I'm dying of envy of what's happening in Rio. When are you going to take this operation to São Paulo?

São Paulo has...

You talked to The Hit, Tarsis...

I did, with Tarsis. São Paulo has two fantastic guys. They're facing each other, too. No, no, no. Baixada Santista, right? No, no. Tarsiz is a guy of the highest quality. And Derrit, I've already told him, is the second best security guard in Brazil. Just losing to Victor here, of course. Of course.

But the second best security guard in Brazil is Derrit, a guy I have the greatest respect for in the world. I even talked to him yesterday. So he's a guy I have the greatest respect in the world and he's doing a brilliant job. São Paulo is not easy either, just like Rio de Janeiro. It's another criminal ecology because there the faction is different, the criminal organization is different from here. It has its own methodologies and the nature of the confrontation has to be different. And The Hitch is showing off his ability and quality to the whole of Brazil.

Are there any more questions, Paquito? I wanted to go to his personal side, to the end. No, here, the tables here... Is there a good one or not? So, that's what I was going to say, my questions, my most interesting ones are already gone. Just say more or less, otherwise I'll ignore the guy's question. No, people compared it to Karanjiru,

We didn't say anything. They asked a lot about the difference between treating terrorists or not. I think this is the most common question among the people, actually. The terrorists, but you've already mentioned it. We've also talked about it, it's not only in the communities, it's also in condominiums, there are shares too.

Of course, of course, we have no doubt. I praised the other day a federal police operation in the Tijuca's bar. It's super interesting. What we really have to see, Vilela, is the mechanisms that each one has. Sometimes people say that the Federal Police does more things than the Civil Police, because they have mechanisms that make it easier to find this upper level.

That's why integration is fundamental. Our condition, even because we don't have COAF, we don't have many instruments that would help us do it. And in this meeting with Minister Ricardo Lewandowski, I asked him, I said, I'm seeing people even talking nonsense out there,

there was even a person who talked about a ship, the ship is the captain of the ports, it's not me. International smuggling is international. But the thing is, if you think I can help, call me for investigation, I want to help. We are not trying to help at all. And what did Leonardo say?

He said he would see what the state could do, everything. Sometimes it seems like, oh, he doesn't want to do it. No, we don't want to do it. I don't have the necessary instruments to get to certain investigations. Other people are doing it. That's why this integration is important.

When an entity that has an institution, I follow a lot of Coaf because I think it's something very important. When Coaf showed that a facade company is there, let us know immediately. We'll help you there and teach everyone.

Stop creating politicization in this. We're doing this. No, if everyone does their part, we'll be able to get people out of this. There can't be rivalry in this. If I can get information that the other person make money, but let's go up.

Building materials are certainly also a way to make money. The building materials stores that start small and become giants. Certainly it is. As alternative transport, it is also... BATs? BATs! Another thing, it is also... So, let's work together.

Let's stop saying that I do and the other doesn't.

Or cheer against it.

Or cheer against it, so I can do it. Let's work together, people. That's what I've defended defending, Vilela. We need to stop politicizing this. If you find a business in Rio that we can help, look for us.

And I have to defend, I've already said, the superintendent of the PFF has done this. Here we sometimes feel more with this traffic than from outside.

Let's go to the people. Governor, are you afraid? Because I imagine that dealing with what you are dealing with should not be an easy thing. And we are afraid of some kind of retaliation, right? Are you afraid of your life, of your life, your family, and how you protect yourself. And the second is, won't there be retaliation?

Will the Red Command, or the militia, not go out there burning buses, doing things we've seen in the past?

Let's understand conceptually, fear is not an antithesis of courage. No, everyone is afraid. The brave one, by the way, he knows how to work with his fear and go up.

The guy who is not afraid is an idiot because he will be the first to be killed.

That's it. Of course we have to be careful. We have to be careful with personal safety to be careful with the personal safety, with the family, with the police that were there. The ones that commanded the operation. Of course we have to be careful with these people. Everyone is a human being.

So the care is doubled because of the operation.

Of course. And it's not because of the combat that is being done. The operation is actually an act of all this fighting that is being done. When we arrest a guy who is considered a great artist, but the investigation shows that he is more than involved, this creates risk. When we arrest the son of a great drug dealer, this creates risk. So we have to protect ourselves, but one thing I guarantee, I've already said this, there's no point in threatening anything because we won't go back. There's a mission to be done.

We have to be careful.

What can be done to avoid this?

The intelligences are working on this, you know? It's what I always say, I don't go in to kill anyone. My police don't go in to kill anyone. So much so that 113 are alive.

They surrendered.

They surrendered, 30 in the woods. They lowered their weapons. They lowered their weapons and surrendered. What we say is this. It's a message for the next actions. If you don't want to die, drop your weapon. Drop it.

Go find a job. Go find a church. You have a chance to have a different life. You, who may be on the other side, watching this podcast, nobody wants to take your life. But if you are in combat, this can happen.

You are facing the most well-prepared forces in Brazil. And it can happen. We don't want your mother to cry. But here's the thing. There are a lot of innocent people like this girl, Barbara. I came to interview her mother, her mother-in-law. What did she say?

She was crying. She said, where are the human rights here? Where is the angry mother? So here's the thing. I don't want Barbara my mom to cry more than other barbarians. I don't want my mom to cry. But I've heard many stories. One mom even moved me a lot.

When she said, I'm losing my son for the second time. I had already lost him to drug trafficking. And now I'm losing him. I won't be able to contact him. What a conscience! What a human being this mother is! Recognizing that she wasn't her son anymore.

That son who was cared for, loved, dreamed, waited for.

A drug dealer's mother knows it's a matter of time.

That's it. Think about your mother, man. Get out of this. If you give yourself the opportunity, look for a firetech near you, they'll qualify you. There's a chance you'll get out of this life, man. You know? There's a chance you'll get out of this life. We want these people to get out of this life.

This life of easy money, of success in the community, won't bring you happiness. There's a life, it's not hard. It's a delight, the taste of victory. To be able to graduate, get a job, work, sleep well, meet a beautiful girl, have the experience of having your own kids, see your kids grow up.

It's a delight. There are times when it's going to be harder, and times when it's going to be easier, but that's life as it is. This life that this crowd lives, is a life of delusion, of lies, of easy money. That doesn't exist, man.

That's right.

Governor, thank you for the chat. Thank you so much.

We've talked a lot, but since it's the first time we've talked, I always ask three questions at the end, and there's no way you can avoid them.

I won't.

First question, what was the hardest moment of your life or career?

The hardest moment of my life or career? Or my career. My career, for sure, was the pandemic.

Oh, yeah?

The pandemic was a very difficult time. It was a very difficult decision. Many of them in the dark. Many polarizations.

No one knew what was going to happen? How long?

No one knew.

It was... For example, if you let a guy starve to death, what about COVID? Yeah.

The economy leaves it for later? What is this guy going to eat at home? It was very painful to make those decisions. To cross swords. To cross swords, everything was very mixed, very mixed. I think that was, for me and for my whole team,

seeing people losing loved ones, you know? It was hard. It was like... It was like a feeling of helplessness. Like, am I doing it right? We're human, right? Am I doing it right? I remember I heard...

I was still in the beginning. And I received the director of Reimagem. And he said to me, the governor is all wrong. I was still a vice governor, right? Yes. I said, the governor is all wrong. I said, why?

Then he said, this is the image. Let's do an image exam on everyone. And it was exactly in that controversy when Bolsonaro talked about the little flu. He used Bolsonaro's example and said, yes, he spoke in a wrong way, but he said something true. It takes in two ways. It takes either the upper veins or the lung.

Who takes the upper veins have a strong flu. This one has to be treated ambulatory. Because in him, the upper veins are infected. Those who go to the lungs have a devastating pneumonia. So we have to have a minimum image. They should have started treating him right away. But And in the end he was the guy who was right

Yeah The MC, no one was more right than this guy And no one heard the guy He would have changed the history of humanity If they had heard him It was curious

I went to talk to the secretary at the time And the secretary said, this is bullshit, this guy doesn't understand anything And if we had, on that day, done what the guy said, we would have prevented a lot of deaths. He was a guy who had a vision like this,

I'm not a doctor, I'm not... They told me something, I went to pass it on to whoever I thought I understood. No, the MC doesn't say that. And the guy was the first guy to say it.

But there were a lot of people saying a lot of things.

It was hard not to know who was right. This was the hardest moment of my life. I was the first-term councilman, because I had never worked in an executive office. And I took on that burden. To be there, in the middle of decisions

made, contracts made

it was a very difficult time the second question is this, I don't know if it's me who will give you this news if it's, sorry, but we will die one day

you know that

we imagine, unless the technology changes so much that we don't know I hope it's faster then But I don't think it's going to be our generation that's going to see this 46 I don't think I'm going to see this

I don't know, with artificial intelligence we don't know But this video here

But as I'm a Christian too, I want to meet the Father one day You're a Christian I'm a Catholic

I heard you participated in of the Charismatic Renewal. I was also part of it.

And I want to meet the Creator one day. I want to die one day. There's no rush. No rush. No rush.

You have to get there tomorrow. No, no.

There's time.

There's a little time. So, it won't be now, but this video, this conversation we're having will stay here forever on Earth. So, a message for the future, for those who are watching this podcast, 200 years from now, what would be your last words, your epitaph?

Look, we live in a time today of a lot of change. Technological change, change of paradigms, change of thought, climate change, change of everything. But I see a generation that is eager to hit it. I'm an optimist, ok? I'm an optimist. I see a generation that, unlike others, started thinking about the future. So, if you're 200 years ahead of us, it's because there's a generation that thought about you.

Something worked out, right?

Something worked out, since you're seeing us 200 years later.

It probably won't be on a screen, on a cell phone.

It will be somewhere, on a chip, something. But, I believe that we live in an environment, in a human area, where we look at the next generations. And that motivates me a lot. Because a lot of what we go through today, Rio, then, of cities that weren't planned,

of people... We know that the history of Rio, the issue of the quota 100, the quota 150... What is it? It was the following, it was laws that prevented the construction of over 100 and 150 meters of the sea line. And then, it was not possible to build on top. And then it was made easier.

So a large part of what we live today is because of past laws that were wrong and lack of planning. So every rich place has a poor place next to it. Why? Because it was the people who were building and who couldn't go back home, and they came here and brought their families.

You have Rocinha and São Conrado, you have Barra, Cidade de Deus and Rio das Pedras, you have the South Zone, Pavãozinho, Copacabana, Ipanema, Leblon, the Center and Providencia. So, maybe this time that we look forward

allows us to make less mistakes than those who didn't look back. We have an opportunity, that's what I mean.

The third question is this. What do you think about before going to bed?

Always, if I'm on the right path. Every Sunday at Mass, I ask God for health and wisdom. It's my two requests to Him, that He doesn't let me go down the wrong path. And looking back, do you think you've chosen the right path? I think so.

I would do some different things, always,

but I'm sure that me and the people who work with me have nothing that I can't do. I always say different things, but I'm sure that me and the people who work with me have nothing that I've said like, I didn't want to do good. There are things that didn't work out.

But the attempt?

It was always good, always, always. It's something that I carry with the greatest tranquility in my heart. I did nothing thinking about making fun of someone. I did nothing thinking about harming someone to help someone else. All the decisions I made, all of them, all of them, were always thinking about good, thinking about doing the best,

even though I have done wrong. And wrong is the human being. I'm a human being and I don't even think, I don't even have this idea that I'll never be wrong. But I have this absolute certainty, this total peace in my heart, that 100% of my decisions were trying to get it right, looking for the best. Or decisions that I had nothing else to do.

That the team led to those decisions.

Do you have any decision for next year?

If I were to take it today, I would go until the end. But I think there's still a lot of water to be spilled under this bridge. I can't discredit what I'm doing. God gave me a great opportunity. I'm sure we're raising a new era in public safety. I'm sure this operation is not being in vain. This is the discussion we're having.

And it can't be my figure, my person, what I want to be, of what I want to do. If I, to complete this work, have to stay until the end and stop for a while, I will do it. If they need me somewhere else, I will also have the courage to do it. But I think that the contribution we are giving is more important than our personal aspirations. I really believe in this, not in demagogy. I really believe in this. I was determined to stay until the end.

Now I think we have to rethink it, because the movement we created is very serious and can really change Brazil.

Thank you very much, Governor. I'm here at the end of the year, and your team has a mission. Flamengo has a mission. What is it? The mission is to beat Palmeiras at any cost. I'm saying at any cost.

Put Bope if necessary to get this result.

I was going to bring the game to Maracanã, but I don't think they'll let me.

I don't think they'll let you.

They won't let me bring the game.

Abel, mainly.

Thank you so much.

Thank you. It's a pleasure to be here. I hope I could have answered everything.

For sure a lot of people in the chat chat complaining, they didn't read my question.

But they also complained. They told me it's Paquito's fault.

It's always Paquito's fault. It always comes. It's our fault, we put it where we want it.

My boss, Rodrigo Gabelli, says this. The boss never makes mistakes, rarely he makes mistakes. And when that happens, it's my fault.

It's like Paquito, right?

Exactly, he's already used to it.

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Look, if you want to prove to us that you made it to the end of the podcast with us Comment there for us Enough of barricades Enough of barricades!

And you prove that you made it to the end, that's it I wanted to take the one from Menes, but he said I could stay calm and I would win one here. I didn't need to take his.

You see? You won a t-shirt here, you're going to steal it and you won a shirt. Thank you so much!

Thank you!

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