IPW: TITIK TERENDAH POLRI KETIKA 'DIPERMAK' JOKOWI MENGAMANKAN PEMILIK MODAL

In the past 1-2 days, the target of mass anger is the buildings of the DPRD and then the police. It's directed to the police.

The common enemy is the police. Why did that happen? The police can shoot, but they don't do anything. Do you know what's going on? What? I just got the information, Bang.

Yes.

There is an Ognum apparatus that was caught in Kerapa 2.

Apparatus?

Not a police apparatus.

Military?

There is a procedure. The ransom must remain in the DPR, if it is part of the Security Bureau, it cannot be released before it is finished. This is what only they know, and their commander, why are they there?

The war between the intelligent and the counter-intelligent,

between the forces of the dark. This can only be moved by institutions that have the ability to do that. In the action period, besides the students and the workers who have returned, who are these people? They are just being sucked in. The police experienced a low point. Why? Why is it so low? When the government of Mr. Jokowi

made a political decision, Mr. Jokowi said that the police should support investment. Oh, what's the problem? The problem is that the police are a tool for capitalists.

Oh, okay.

Like the opas in the colonial era. Yes, of course.

We see a lot of escalation of violence in the public space. What actually happened? What events are happening? Who are the perpetrators? What kind of power is playing? We present the president of Indonesian Police Watch,

which is our brother, Sugeng Teguh Santoso. Welcome.

Welcome. Welcome, Indra. The atmosphere is a bit scary.

Yes, the room is not too cold. Or we are the hot ones. Yes, the atmosphere was hot. We saw in the past 1-2 days, the target of the anger of the people, I don't know where it came from, was the buildings of the DPRD and then the police. It was directed to the police. The common enemy was the police. Why is that?

The common enemy of the police is by design. Lastly, the direction to the symbols of the police symbols by design. Because at first, when we see the police being criticized, it is related to the work. But now, the direction is to create a point of fire, so that there is a reason, the police symbol was attacked. Yes, Kuitang.

The fire started, if we look at the time sequence, it started from the hit of the Avan, right? Yes, hit and then passed. It started from there. Before that, there was no issue to question the police symbols that there was an attack on the conflict of intersection on the ground with police officers when in security. Before the 28th of April, Afan died.

The conflict happened because there was a meeting in security. But now there is a reason to attack. Then what happened? In Jogja, the Jogja Polda, imagine, the Jogjakarta area is conducive, the Jogja police don't have a big problem, as I mentioned, the big problem in my notes, except for the North Sumatra. The police in North Sumatra,

who are really naughty, even in North Sumatra, in Jogja, now they are the symbols of the police. This is by design. By design, I don't know

which group wants to do it. What I am asked as a police officer, I saw that there was actually a win from the police, from the police using the rules of the police chief about the use of force in the duty of the police to use force in the duty of the police. But it is not used. What is that, sir? What is the form, sir?

The use of force. That is, for example, the force of a weapon. The force of a weapon. Until now, the force that is still used is the torpedo. The torpedo can be used as a tear gas, a time torpedo, or a water cannon,

or a defense tool. There is a force that has not been done, which is the bullet, rubber bullets. This is not used. Even then, the Metro Police Department stated that the use of tear gas was only used under my order. Whereas there was a prison,

a prison property owned by the police. It happened yesterday, they said, in Gegana's warehouse. It was taken. Gegana in Jakarta Pusat? Jakarta Pusat, it was taken. Even the police, I heard it from the recording,

don't burn it, don't have any fire, enough, enough, enough. That has a reason to be then banned by using force. Because in the use of force in the police duty, the police can fire, first, a warning shot, then a ground shot, then a bump to the ground, then the bumping against the leg. If there is an attack that is against the law, what is threatening?

The safety of the lives of the people, the safety of police officers, the damage to the property of the people or the police. This is not done. What is it? What is it, Bang? Do you know, Bang?

What? So I see, Bang? Do you know? What?

So I saw, the police knew. But the police didn't want to talk.

What did the police know?

The police knew that there was a design that was about to attack them.

Yes.

By using the advanced society. The police knew that they didn't want to shoot the society itself. Because it will only make the situation worse. I just got the information, Sir. There is an Ognum apparatus that was caught in Kelapa 2.

An apparatus?

Not a police apparatus.

Military?

That's what they said. But then it was confirmed that it was called a military family, a family of TNI. But the first information was TNI. Yes, that's it. But the first information is TNI. And the incident of the driver Ojol, the idiot of seven people from Primopini brought a car with a chain

in the mass farm, he was reluctant to enter a barrier. The information said that Ojl was pushed by someone.

There was a video?

Yes. The video was circulated. So, the police saw that there was a by-design to target them. If we go back, is there a connection? I wonder. Is there a connection to the era of Kuhab, about the possibility of investigation, the conflict between the Duminis-Litis and the functional difference, then it came down a few times ago, the KNI apparatus in the legal field, catching drugs,

what is that? We are watching it. That's why the police don't want to be trapped anymore. If I look at it, the police don't want to be trapped. They even become the target of the public's anger. Because the public doesn not trust the police.

And that's why. Because based on the survey, the police's public trust in the police's work, the law enforcement is the lowest. Therefore, they don't want to be trapped in this matter. They don't want to use force. This is what I see. So this situation is indeed a test for the police. This situation is a test for the police. In Jogja, in North Sumatra, there is also a corridor, and then a metro station.

The situation is a bit difficult.

If we look at the car brigade, it is an elite unit of the police and armed. In the strategy of the city war, the brigade is far superior to the army. Why is this symbol being chased?

This is by accident, if I look at it, there was no problem with the brimob before, by accident, and then he was killed. Later, it was not only the Brimob, but there was a raid by 7 people who brought a chain there. There was a chance there, and then it was exploded there. Whatever symbol was attacked,

it was the police. For example, Polantas. Polantas is not an elite force. If he is attacked, he will definitely retreat. In my opinion, it has been seen. In the condition that the 7 people were opened, we thought about how to secure ourselves. He was wrong, actually.

He was already in the crowd, he was wrong. He was lazy. He had many blind spots. Why was he targeted? I think all police symbols can be used as a target. For example, remember, if there is a police officer I think all police symbols can be used as a target. For example, later, remember, if there is a case like Semarang,

where a researcher went home and shot a schoolboy. It can happen. Later, the researcher will be targeted. This is the incident in Semar police station. Jakob shot. We have to be careful. We see that the police leaders seem to be holding back. Whereas there is an instrument that is the basis of the law and legal

if it is to be used, but it is not used. This is holding back. The car was out of the pollder, and it was damaged. Many of them were burned in Kewitam. Yes. It's self-sustaining. This is what I see.

So, what is the purpose of this? What is the purpose of this? If we start from the condition of public opinion, it is usually done by students. Then there is the time of the teachers. If it's still students, it's about democracy, the government's corruption,

then the hedonism of the office. If you are a teacher, what is it about? Minimum wage. Has this ever been chaos? Chaos exists, but it doesn't happen was no escalation point. In the years since the government of Mr. Jokowi until now, there has been no problem. In the incident yesterday, we started, the students have withdrawn.

The students of Syed Iqbal have withdrawn. The question is why? I'm They even use welding tools to weld. Where? In the DPR. It's not like cutting the gate. Are they trying to steal? The old iron traders are trying to steal. But it's impossible.

It's definitely going to be in. Where did the welding tools come from? Where is the action time to bring the welding tools? Or cutting iron bars. Where did the metal tools come from? Where is the time to bring the metal tools? What tools? Cutting iron bars. At most, the time to bring the bamboo

or bamboo that he brought as a flag. Or stone. This is already there. The second, I got information too, last night I got information, I went down there last night, the fire was still burning, there was no end to it.

Where did the money come from? The fire was still burning, there was no end to it. Where did the money come from? This is by design. Therefore, I hope that this escalation must be controlled. It will interfere with the economy in the midst of this difficulty.

We have to listen to the complaints of the community. Of course, this is the President. Some policies that are then questioned, are violated with the attitude of the members of the DPRRI. DPRRI, you know. This must be a record, taxes, all kinds of things must be a record.

What was called by design earlier was the war between the intelligence and the counterintelligence, between the dark forces. Yes, if there is something abnormal, something abnormal by design, it can only be moved by institutions

that have the ability to do so. I don't want to mention it. Besides students and also workers, who have returned? It's also our community. This is just a proxy. They may leave with a

really disappointed name with the government. And this is a good arrangement. Just fill it in, and it's done. That's why I hope the police will be careful in handling this. And we need support. The police is the instrument of the president. Remember, sir, the police is the tools of the president to maintain security and order based on the second law of 2002. The police are responsible to the president, and he is the tool or instrument of the president to maintain order and security, including it can also be a political tool. What is it?

For example, the political tool is the direction of the president's policy on investment.

Right?

So the government, the police have to support investment. So what happens is the violation of human rights, land conflicts, the violence of the apparatus, it happens. The conflict of the forest and land, if the president's political orientation is on investment. That's why I said that the police are a political tool for the president.

What kind of politics? Political politics of the president in the economic field, for example.

For security.

Security, but it becomes an excess. The police then also have a share of the Oknum there. They get paid from entrepreneurs, etc. Then, the PT that was attacked appeared. It was guarded by BRIMOB. Then the KLH came along with reporters and beat them up.

There was a BRIMOB member there. If the orientation is like that, it can be a ride. Therefore, in this situation, the president must support the police. How to secure the situation? Because this is not only in Jakarta. In Makassar, which is crazy, it was burned. Bandung, the DPRD province of Bandung was about to be burned, but it was stopped. What was burned was the MPR building. Yes, the MPRI training building.

There were five damaged buildings in Bandung. Yes, please pay attention. In a difficult financial condition, and because of the difficulty of money and there is no other source, because of the need for a lot of money, the people are burdened with taxes. Taxes, taxes, taxes. Now if the building of the DPRD in Makassar is burned,

the government can't run. Why? The DPRD will be in a meeting to form the APBD. APBD meeting, supervision, it won't work. And it has to be built using money from the regional government, also from the Central Government, in the condition of money shortage. How? This has to be thought of by the president.

What is this for? The police building, the DPRD, what is the symbol of? This is a symbol of civilians. Civilian supremacy? Civilian supremacy is actually being attacked. We, the civilian activists, have to be aware of this. We have to give awareness to our friends who are demo.

You can be angry, but that is the source, that is the civil institution that we fought in 1998. The one you fought, the one we fought in 1980 against the new order. That was a civil institution. Fighting against what is called, not military, but militarism.

Yes, the militarism that we fought back then. Now it's a symbol of civility. Where are you going to turn it? Do you realize that it is a symbol of civil supremacy that must be defended? If there is disappointment, it is the system that we will fix.

Because our democracy is co-opted by the parties. The result of 1998 was then taxed by the parties. The parties are filled with artists, entrepreneurs, there are indeed activists, but only a few. Because they need a lot of money. That's why the political party recruitment system must be changed.

So that there is no money use, campaigns, etc. Okay, that's one more thing. The time is too far. Now, the situation is that the symbol of the civil must be defended. It must be defended. So, in my opinion, the activists are wise.

But the current condition is showing that the police, in the sense of the institution, is in a sl of limbo, a state of stagnation. It could be. How? So that it can be demoralized. Is that really what happened? Or is it being ordered by the institution to not react at all?

The current situation, I read the current situation, I see that there is an order not to take excessive actions. Hard actions. You said earlier that the lambdak is like a sheep. It can be like that.

But now,

Is it passive?

No, it's still being guarded. The DPRR is still being guarded. They are still being guarded. But they don't do excessive actions, like using force in police duties. They don't use weapons at all.

What about Rantis? in the police force. They didn't use any weapons. Rantis?

Rantis was only for this. It was a car for the driver. Actually, I think there was a wrong procedure. Rantis should still be in the DPR, if it's part of the security BKO. It can't be released before it's over.

Time management is trained by Dalmas.

The one who uses this.

Okay, Dalmas is the name, right?

Sabara, yes. From Sabara Union. It's trained. If BRIMOP is not trained to cope with time, it is to cope with the urgency. Operation in Papua.

In Papua, there is the MMP. That's why he is not promoted. Because he is on the way out. That's why when I did the analysis, I suspected that he was pushing for mass mobilization. Is he fighting against the mass mobilization?

It turns out not. Because it is in a group. The car is in a group, not in the DPR. So, it's in the middle of a crowd. This is what only they know, and their commander. Why are they there? Does he want to go back to his headquarters? Or is there any interest? headquarters or what is the importance of this,

which is being inspected by the ProPAM. And it's open. What is only open to us is that we have to save ourselves. That's wrong. His duty is the security of the DPR. If it is really part of security.

They are wrong to be there. Then being in a crowd in a procedure is wrong. Because there are many blind spots that they can't monitor. So the potential of hitting and hitting people is great.

And the Rantis movement is usually not just one car, right? They are in a convoy.

It must be in one movement command unit. The purpose is to maintain security. He can't be in the middle of a crowd. If you do a push, then the mass need to push it should be in front. It should be visible. Everything should be visible. So it's safe for the time, safe for the apparatus, safe for the trantis itself.

It should be inside. What is it there? Why? That's what I'm wondering.

Okay. Until now, the situation is like this. I see it as a kind of emptiness of security tools all over Indonesia. Because we just have to wait for which building is on fire. Which building is on fire, we just have to wait for the building to catch fire. We just have to wait for the building to catch fire. And then the condition is empty.

How can we activate it again? If the escalation is getting higher, and the vital objects are being protected, then, in my opinion, the use of force in the police duty must be done. I'm sure that the police institutions and the intelligence apparatus are making a forecast. A forecast of the situation.

A forecast of the situation. We will see in the future. because after the students' time is over, the issue of Ojol should actually be over because Pak Kapolri and Pak Kapolda have come to their parents' house and their parents were interviewed by the media yesterday I hope the legal procedure be followed. The law will be followed. He didn't state his hatred for the police.

If the victim's father is like that, he can't be hanged. So, the hanging is broken. If it's still there, it's a by-design., this is a movement by design. The victim is a personal. He is not a leader of that OJOL union. If he is the leader, the head of the organization, he is just a member.

So this has been cut off from the chain and became a justification to attack the party that caused the death of Afan. There is no reason. If it's still sustainable, there are other interests.

What is the use of the seven people who have been secured? The process of investigation is so transparent. What is the use of it?

The use is as a form of accountability from the police. And my suggestion is to cancel it. This has been included in the 20 days. What is it called? Yes, the police. Then, the Ethics Court will be closed.

The Ethics Court first or the case first? The Ethics Court. It has been inspected. The Ethics Court will hold the Ethics Council. If I'm not mistaken, it will be closed and the conviction will be executed. The conviction will be executed. the criminal act is carried out.

It means that as a process or a criminal event where there is a victim who is represented by his family asking for a legal process, the legal mechanism provides the legal process, then there is a judge to decide, this is over. If it is still used as a martyr, he will be searched.

So, Affan is not a martyr?

Yes, if he is a martyr, he will be searched. Because the legal process has been committed. I asked the police to process the code of ethics as soon as possible. And they did. After 20 days? In the next 20 days. The trial will be held in 30 days.

It will be held in 30 days. There will be a trial in the next week there will be a trial. So it's a legal process. So he can't be made a martyr. So the speed of solving the case of Akhvan is also the key to breaking the chain as an excuse to attack the police symbols. And don't let it happen again that there is a police doing a procedural mistake. It's different from when in 1998, the students of Trisakti were shot.

Yes, yes.

It's different. Yes, they is shot. It's different. They are fighting for their aspirations. This is an event, we can't say it's an accident. This is an event, actually, there is a deliberate factor. He should have hit him, he stopped, then he backed up, he lifted, but he crossed. But this is over, in my opinion.

It can't be used as a gold key by a group that wants to keep moving. Will the escalation of the violence of the time rise or fall? There is no reason, in my opinion, to look for an excuse for escalation. There is no reason, except there is by design. The issue of the settlement in Semarang, then the mass rampant,

then the provocation, then there is a surge of victims, then there is an attack back and forth. These are the stages that I think are a process by design, through use. If we look at 1998, it was actually the point of escalation, not the event of the return of Partho. In my opinion, we are still in a peaceful atmosphere after the tragedy of Trisakti. But it is Semanggi I and Semanggi II, that's what I call the peak, the peak of the collapse. Are we going there?

The Afan case is not like Semanggi I or Semanggi II. Because Afan is quick. Semanggi I or Semanggi II is a long process of investigation. There is a denial, there is a circle by the country, let's say, by the winner, the circle.

When it is pressed by the civilian group, then it was opened up. The fact-finding team. What I mean is, not after the incident, but after the first and second semanggis, the atmosphere was like a city war. Because we were there, right?

It means that we saw the atmosphere really like a city war.

Why did it become a city war? That's the change. We want to talk about the history.

I want to look ahead,

by looking back. In 1952, when the weapons were launched at the Mariam area,

the October 17th event.

What was the conflict there? Internal conflict of the Indonesian Army. Kemal Idris. Kemal Idris. What was the conflict there? The internal conflict of the Indonesian Army. Kemal Idris, Nasution, 52. Then 65. There was also a conflict between the Indonesian Army and the party

and Soekarno who tend to the left. And there are operations, Gilchrist documents, then the Dewan Gajah, this is already an operation Intergen, 6, 5. 7, 4, Malari Sumitro versus Opsus, Ali Murtopo.

General Sumitro versus General Ali Murtopo and Sujono Mardani.

Ali Murtopo.

Ali Murtopo, right?

Ali Murtopo, Opsus.

Opsus, okay.

In the end, all of them were removed. 74. Then, 98. 98 was still pure students. Behind it is also the operation that then caused many to die and the result of the team of investigators,

this opens the wound for Mr. President. Including the movement of troops, Solo. So, all of these events can happen if there is a military force, an institution that can move its resources massively, and a military force that is trained. And they are facing it. If this can happen, the police could be one of the tools.

One side. That's why the police avoid it. So that they can fight.

There are two elephants that are being slaughtered.

They are not being slaughtered. There is no reason for one elephant to fight with the people.

No, I mean, there are two elephants, which is called the intelligence power of two elephants, while the police is in the middle. The police is the people.

How do we see this situation? So, in my opinion, my analysis earlier, if there is a force of will to be faced if one party does not want to fight, it will not happen. Right now, the police

do not use the force in their duty to the police. They know that they are being used as a tool, as a target to be targeted. They don't want to do that. I think this is a smart move.

The situation in Indonesia, except in Papua, is that the situation is civil. Some people are against the civil emergency. in Indonesia, except in Papua, in Indonesia, it's all about the civilians. Some people are against the civilian emergency. The army is under the BKO. Is that what they want?

Or is there something else? We don't know. But it could be. It's called analysis. It could be that way. It could be that way.

That's why through this podcast, I hope it doesn't go there. Don't go there because of certain goals, power, to take, to sacrifice the people, to sacrifice the people as pawns, to be hit by bullets. Don't.

This is our sin. It's our sin if we know the situation and then create by design a situation of conflict between the people. The police are also the people. The people of Pendimun are also the people. The police don't want to use their power.

Until today, there is no such thing. Has there is no story of being shot by the police. There was a case of a bullet that hit a rubber bullet. There was an operation. Where? There was one. Yes, there was one. Where was it?

It was inside this. So,

do you think the police have it?

I don't know. I don't know where it happened. We'll see. That's why the police should be careful. They must take out their weapons in the right order. Don't let it be 1998. Who shot?

Who was accused? Until now, we don't know, who shot? Who was accused? Until now, we don't know.

Who shot? Who was accused?

Who fell?

I feel that the police will not use sharp bullets to avoid them becoming black goats. Since the incident in Lampung, the presence of police officers to use weapons is getting more and more restricted, right? Yes. Not restricted, but selective. Especially in the current situation.

I saw on the medias that there was a situation where one of the police officers was about to be targeted. But there are also people who said that in the medias, it seems like

that the police is a victim. Is that true?

Yes, it's not true that the police is a victim, but I think it's true that the police are the target. They just want to make the black sheep. It's true. It's true, in my opinion. Therefore, in this situation, we need to cool down. Cool down on each side. But there are definitely some who don't want to cool down.

The escalation will continue to be increased. I don't know what the purpose is. If earlier, for example, the analysis of civilian emergencies, military emergencies, or what, the escalation will continue to increase, we hope it won't happen.

What is the best way to cool down? Is it by visiting... Now, the victims have been visited, including those in hospitals. But the most basic visit, in my opinion, is to the locations

of the previous fires. Not the locations of the former fires. Not the fire of the bomb. How to cool down? Cooling down must have political statements.

Political statements? What?

From the highest leaders of the country. That cut salaries. So all the state officials off their salaries by 50%. That's a lot.

That's not enough, what the head of state said. Who? What did he say? The Prime Minister. But the condition is to join. But he came to that. But before that, it was all about trust.

That's not enough, right?

That's a personal problem. It's not about fulfilling the sense of justice for the victims. But the problem of the community is much broader than that. Yesterday, there were two financial ministerial agendas that were postponed, right? The delivery of our financial APBN was postponed. If you want, there is a statement, this is related to the economy, we are in a slump because of the economy.

If there are a lot of demands from the parties,

on social media, for example free healthcare, free hospital, free school, it can be reduced. Because the problem is in the economy. It's in the economy. If the job is not given, then you should give it for free.

All elementary and high school schools are free. Whether private or state. Don't be imprisoned. We remind you, don't be imprisoned. Because those who are in jail are people who are trying to trade, the UMKM, those who are in jail are in great loss.

Okay. Is the request of the netizens of Kapolri to step down become something relevant or something separate? I think it should be the decision of the capolri. It's just a moral attitude. But if it's in the context of accountability or the context of the institution, it's back to the president.

But if we want to find the black sheep, there are people who ask the police to remove it, please find a logical reason that it to be removed because of the incident. I didn't find it.

I didn't find it either. We are attracted to the regulation. There is a regulation about the head of the police about the monitoring of the police's regulation on the surveillance of the addicts. There is a certain responsibility. Up to two levels.

Two levels up. If the one who hits and then rolls, he is at the level of a gang. who did the attack and then rolled this, he had a level, there was a compound, the highest compound, right? Above it was the AKBP, right? The AKBP. Above the AK the commander of the unit, Kombes, and that was Brimob. The highest one was the head of Brimob?

Brimob, Dan Kor, right? The third star. Dan Kor couldn't have been hit. Dan Sat was the one who was commanded by Kuitang. Dan Kor was the third star down core was a three-star. That was the down core. Then what was the correlation with the kapolda? There was no correlation. That's why. There was no correlation with the kapolda.

If we want to find the reason, I haven't found a reason yet. Because I'm a lawyer. But if the demand is to back down, then I'll go back to Mr. Kapori. That's the subjectivity of Kapori. For example, suddenly, you're a hockey player, a war hobbyist.

You're replaced. The people will just go for it. What will happen? If I look at it, But on the other hand, if the choice is not to hurt the people, we have to support it. If it happens, the government will just push it. Even if there are still many PRs, We support it. If this happens, the government will be destroyed.

Even so, there are still many cases.

Yes. So, I think we should solve this situation first. The police should also do a review. If there are many disappointments, there are many disappointments. Not just this case, there will be a lot of it. Not just this case, there are many other cases.

That's why the police experienced a low point. Why? When the second government, Mr. Jokowi, made a political decision, Mr. Jokowi said that the police must support investment. So, the police become a tool for capital owners. Like the opas in colonial times, who guarded the farm.

Yes, the conflict, then the small community issues will always be pressured. Even the war of the Pajaya in the Kamang in 1908. This is only a political tool. Remember, because if you go back to the law number two in 2002, it was like that, the design of the law. The police are the design of the law was like that. The police is the tool of the president.

The tool of the president.

So, the disappointment to the police is big. I want to go deeper into that, the tool of the president. What do you expect from the president regarding the police's issues today? Well, this is the question I've been waiting for. A head of state for Indonesia, he is the head of state who must have a vision, what is it? Law.

Then the vision of human rights, the vision of democracy and justice. Is that the vision of the government? It's not clear. From the government of Mr. Jokowi, I see it's not clear. He said he wanted to eradicate corruption. The corruptor was given a star, which was once punished by the former Indonesian Bank Governor.

He said he wanted to stop corruption. Well, if it's to return the money, we'll forgive him.

Okay.

Yes, that's the law.

The law that says the eyes are closed. The eyes are closed for justice.

If we talk about justice, then justice is based on the constitution, promoting public welfare. Public welfare is 68% of our poor people that should be prioritized based on the new World Bank calculation. Because the new World Bank calculation says that 68% of Indonesian people are poor. According to the World Bank, it's only 18%. But which one do you trust more? I trust the World Bank more because the condition is difficult now. Look, Justice. FISI, then HAM. Respect the human rights, the same rights as the same community,

the right to be a witness to groups without differences. Religious issues have not been resolved yet. Minority groups, women, then the traditional communities, there is a big problem. Now there is a General problem. Now there is a National Organization for the Protection of the Traditional People which has been bankrupt for 13 years, almost 14 years. What is the result? If it is verified now,

then there will be a stop to the concession to the capital owners. Because the forests of the traditional community must be protected.

And can it be returned?

Yes, it can be returned. Why 13,000 people don't want to? Because the orientation since Mr. Jokowi is investment. It's always a conflict. So, this is what we need as heads of state to have a vision.

The fourth one? the last one.

Democracy. Democracy. Democracy, right? So the political system that is built is a political system that can guarantee that what is fought in the DPRK is not the interest of the elite.

Including check and balance?

Yes, of course. What is the name of it? Check and balance, even though we say it's not fully compliant. Separation of power is not fully compliant. But the ones who are fought by the DPR sometimes don't get along with the community. That's why the community is angry.

The ones who are fought by the DPR are only elite interests.

Only elite interests. The ones ordered by the elite. Yes, the law was made for the elite's interest. The markets were managed for the elite's interest. This is what our PR is. For example, it's back to the head of the country. This is just an instrument.

If the culture that was built by the institution of police itself, what are the many weaknesses now? instrument. If you want to reform, you have to be a student. If you want to reform, you have to be a student. If you want to reform, you have to be a student. If you want to reform, you have to be a student. If you want to reform, you have to be a student. If you want to reform, you have to be a student. The institutional structure has already happened. The police has been brought in, the civilians have been brought in, the president has been brought in. What is not finished is the cultural reform. Arrogance,

power, and then the personality of the head of a police officer, and the son of a police officer. That's why it also caused the anger of the older siblings. The older siblings were more desperate than the new ones. The 23-year-old constitution was not safe. The 2nd Amendment of 2002 was not safe. People wanted to be a police officer because they want to be rich and have a lot of money. The enforcement of the law is bad.

Because the culture is bad. So that's it.

If, last question, what are your hopes for students who are still moving in view of the the police today?

Not today, but in this moment? We really hope that the students are pure. So we hope that what they say must be heard. It must be heard by the government. But I have to know, I sometimes ask my friends, some of my students are also struggling.

Then he became a figure, and then suddenly he appeared. Later, at that time, we got this and that. The important thing is that we are the ones who lost. We are the losers. But we still believe in our fellow students. My fellow students, please keep on voting.

Because I believe they love this nation. And they will not do the burning. I will not do it. They have an idealism.

Okay. Sobat Melilok, the police is one of the tools of revolution, in the sense of protecting the safety of the people. That's why the first police force that was formed was led by Supriya Adi, but he never came. He disappeared. The safety of the people. Well, until now, we can see that the fruit of the reformation

is the separation of the police force from the army. Now we are in a situation that is very disturbing to what is called civil supremacy, civil order, when the police become the target of anger, and hopefully this situation will end soon. But it is certain with many notes from us that

the institution of justice must change. There are many housework that we must see to improve, change and heal the institution of justice so that we can become a nation of goodwill. See you in the next edition with Mr. Sukong. Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you, Sir.