Karan Aujla on Parents, Canada, Love, Loneliness, Music, Security & Life | FO398 Raj Shamani

Kaur and Anjali!

Everybody's talking about it. Canada is not safe.

I must have at least 20-25 guns. Legally kept. If I shoot myself, I'll get charged. Then I'm done.

Maybe either.

There was some controversy at that time.

It happens. It happens among brothers.

But are you still reckless with spending?

A lot, bro.

A lot? You're a pain in the ass. spending? A lot, bro.

A lot?

You're a miser. Clothes, cars, watches, I'll keep on going. What else am I earning for? I wish she could, bro. I've made money and seen what it is. I've driven around in cars, everything's done.

I just don't know what love is for parents. The day I found out my mom was 8 months pregnant, I've been spending time with her since that day. How do you fill that void today? Doesn't matter how many people come in my life,

I'll always feel lonely.

And I know it's the truth. When my mother is not around, I'm all alone.

Are you okay?

I don't know, brother.

It's very stressful to organize. This episode is done with Porter. This episode is delivered by Porter. So, click the link in the description to know more. And our today's guest is Karan Ojla. Singer and lyricist who is globally known for his Punjabi music.

Today, we will learn from him that why he doesn't feel safe living in Canada. Why he writes songs from a girl's point of view? What is the story behind some of their famous songs? Do they still feel the void of their parents? How is their relationship with their wife?

And why do they still feel lonely even after becoming so successful? Watch this episode till the end and tell me how you liked the episode. Why is everybody talking about it? That Canada is not safe or what?

Look, Canada is safe for those people who have nothing to do with this industry. And there is no business that shows publicly how much money is being made. I feel like that's the problem. I would say I was one of the very first cases out of the industry in Canada, whose house got shot at in 2019. For the first time, we were shot at twice in a row. It was like an extortion case.

You know, if you pay, they won't let you put on a show. You can't come to Punjab. You can't come to India. So they didn't give it. And then this happened. And when I finally felt that it was going a little better, then again, there was a firing. I think I have been through this six times so far. That there is firing on me and on the house. The worst part is in Canada, like the houses are made of wood.

And the bullet just goes through. So there's no safety even being inside of your house, basically.

And police authorities, security, they don't do anything?

They're doing their best. I wouldn't say they don't do anything. But best in country, I would assume. Yeah, like they can't do anything. What can they do? Someone shot at your house at 4 in the night and stole your car. I don't know who it is. Even if you meet him, what can you do? Someone has given him money.

The one who got it done is somewhere else. You will never meet him again. I don't understand any solution for this. There were many people in Punjab who were saying that he is scared, he has come to Dubai. He has left from there, the real Jats don't leave. Jats are real, which one is fake?

Everyone has some priorities. I am not immature. I have seen so many things. I have seen so many people die in my life. I have seen so many deaths. From my uncle to my dad, everyone has gone in memories.

So, the one who doesn't even know what the pain of death is, he is telling me that he ran away from there in fear. This and that happened. I was sleeping when the first time I was shot, and the second time I was shot, I was sleeping in my bedroom, and there was a window so far away from where 3 or 4 bullets came out. It was so far away, it could have been here as well. No one had to ask me how my wife was, how my sisters were.

I had to go, right? If I didn't use my brain, who would come and ask me about myself? This is right. Not everything is done of courage. You have to use your brain. I go out, I don't get worried that someone will come and shoot me. My wife is safe, tomorrow I will have kids, they will be safe.

Why should I be worried about all this? And why should I be involved in all this when I have so much work to do? I have so many responsibilities. I have to take care of my family. I have sisters who look after me. I have a wife who doesn't want to go away from me even for a second.

So why should I give anyone a chance to ruin my good life? You understand, right? It's like so many decisions I've had to take in my life. What goes on in your head now? Because this happened outside of your house. It can happen anytime, anywhere.

Do you feel scared about it? I feel scared about the situation. I don't feel scared about my life. Like someone will kill me. Everyone says that, and it's true, it's in God's hands.

But if I go out and jump, I'll die. That's not in that it's in the hands of God. But to jump out of the window and die, that's not in the hands of God. That's my brain. So it's like, in my mind, I had these things in mind. First of all, I don't want to get emotionally involved in this. I don't want to make emotional decisions. Like, this person did this, now I'll see who will raise their hand, who will do this.

I know that there is no end to this. I would be, my biggest bravery is that I save my family and stay healthy.

True.

That's the best, that's the number one priority.

Why am I in all these things? For what? All my life I have been thinking for my father to have a child. All my life my mother has been cooking dishes for me. And now I am in such a situation that I am ready to die. Two people are telling me that he has left me and ran away.

I am sitting at home and the bullets are coming from outside. If I shoot myself, I will be charged. So, I've lost everything. I don't know how to shoot. I have a firearms license in Canada. I must have at least 20-25 guns.

Legally kept. I used to go to shoot targets every weekend. That's not the system. Who doesn't know how to shoot? Give it to a kid. So many people are shooting.

I don't have that much. I don't like guns. Okay? to message The level you are at, all the people who reach that level, they all have to face this. Extortion, or give money, or whatever XYZ, political funding, or give gang funding, or anything. Or just purely that I have a small gang, you give money. So what's the solution? How can this be solved?

What do you think? This will continue with everyone.

The solution is, I still have to understand, this is stepping back and taking care of yourself. You know, be careful basically.

But then you came to Punjab.

Yes.

Now, don't you feel the fear of safety there? I feel the fear of safety, but I am still saying that the Punjab government is also helping a lot in providing protection. Which is a huge aspect in a musician's life today in Punjab. Because of which a lot of tensions are lessened. But still, at least someone is giving protection.

Someone is there to help. If someone comes to help, someone is there. But it's like this, I don't even feel like going to the village. From wherever I am, from Canada to Dubai, I feel like going to I have come to Dubai from Canada. I feel like going to Dubai because the village is two hours away. I don't feel like going to Dubai because it is Dubai.

It is okay to stay in Dubai, but I feel like going to the village anytime. I feel like going to the village for that. I just want to be careful. I don't go inside the village. So many people come to the village to meet me. I don't want to meet everyone. What feels more safe, Canada or Punjab? Sometimes villagers come and say, we have this thing going on, they're not letting us meet.

What feels more safe, Canada or Punjab?

Punjab, brother.

What are you saying? Really, man.

I don't know, it's a very hard pick, but for me, I'm saying.

Yes.

Purely for you.

I feel safer than anything in my home, where I was born.

I was reading a news yesterday,

Yes.

That a creator has got 25 rounds fired outside his house. And publicly some gang knows that they said they took the credit for it as well and said that we have run it. Because this creator promotes XYZ betting app. Whatever he does, we will do the same with him. Don't you feel scared that by saying this, and scare you and do these rounds outside your house? It can happen in India too.

Absolutely, it can happen. I will say that whatever brand I work with, it's not like I'm telling people to do this or that. It's a part of my job. I'm trying to build something. Working with companies, you know, like, I have a job too, how will I run such a big system? Everyone is making money, but no one is getting paid. How many videos are there, how much money is spent on music,

how much money is spent on travelling. Really, the account is always empty.

It comes and goes.

Really, it's true. It's in the paper. Yesterday, someone gave me money in Shagan. I went to my aunt's house in Chandigarh. Her uncle gave me 2-3 thousand rupees in Shagan. My uncle gave me.

I told my brother that the fun of 4 thousand rupees is not even worth 2-3 lakhs. I put it in my pocket and said, where is my money? I gave 500 to someone, and gave 500 to someone. I had 3,000 rupees. I knew I had 3,000. So I really liked it.

But, brother, what you asked, yes. It's true, everyone has a valid reason. Don't give messages to the youth, don't do this, don't do that. It's fine, but there are a lot of people ahead of me, who should be sought out first. I haven't done anything, I'm just singing songs. There are rape cases happening here in the middle of the night.

People are walking around openly, people are being killed, people are dying. Someone is being thrown out of the house and his house is being seized. And there is a of women at home, I can tell you. There is no gangster for them. We will beat up whoever troubles them. There are three girls, get them married. There will be 20 girls in my village.

I will give their numbers and names. Why have you given me any responsibility? You should do it too. I don't have any desire to become a social worker. I am just doing this because I have people. God has given me a chance.

If I can help someone, then why not? It is a source of income for me. I am putting the right place for the income. I am building a park in my village. I am fulfilling my desire. I don't have a place for girls and ladies in any village. I asked my village as well, tell me, when can you let your wife and daughter go out for a walk?

Where is there a place for them in this village? You wake up every morning and sit outside. It is the life of the people. So, I am making it for this reason. It is for the good cause. And where did the money come from. So I'm making it for a good cause. And where did the money come from?

I'm not breaking it from a tree. These are the four or five deals.

Yes, this is the source.

Yes, I didn't do it thinking that I will promote it now. I got a source, I liked the company. I want to be involved with kick streaming. I want to be involved with F1. And that's the platform. But it is a little bit of gambling, which, but your point is fair.

That's how you make money. That's the source of making money for you. Tell everybody like, you're over 18 adults, bro. Don't think of me. I put India on the team yesterday and I won. I even lost.

I just didn't lift the game the day before. I am saying this openly. Don't do it on my say so. You enjoy it yourself. You are doing it. You are not doing it on my say so.

Whether you like it or not, when you see it. If are not doing it on my say-so. Malal chaye, rana jaye, when you see it. If someone thinks I am influencing, I am influencing with very good things, so you are not doing that. I am getting many girls married, I have never said that.

Interviews are coming from outside, but I am telling that, don't say like that, you are doing this. Now, at the same time, say that they are doing this too. Yeah. Right? So, this is it.

But talking about brand ambassador, I'll tell you an incident. I was going from an airport a while ago. I think this was brand ambassadorship was announced with Patron. And I called my partner, okay.

I was like,

Apoorv, business partner. I was like, Apoorv, business partner. And I was like, bro, this is so good. This is so good. I don't even drink. I don't care what tequila it is. I don't even know.

I've never tried. And I'm like, Karan, because I think from 2023, you started blowing up for me. Someone who doesn't listen to a lot of music.

Yeah.

I just heard about this person. He's become so big. And now, such a big brand like Patron, you became brand ambassador. And there was a big poster at the airport. I felt so happy for some reason. It was just such a good feeling.

And I called my business partner. I was like, bro, this is such a cool thing. Like, it's so good that you get to see someone doing at that scale. Because it was like you, it looked like you're bigger than A-lister celebrity in that way. So, I loved it. I loved it.

Just wanted to say that.

Thank you, bro. I want to say that. Thank you, bro. I just want to say this on your podcast. I work with a lot of companies and I will continue to do so. They don't have a problem with me saying that, you are older than 18 and older than 21. Do whatever you are doing responsibly. I have a deal with Patron. If you don't have Patron, then drink it for your own sake, if you like it. If you are gambling, do it with your own mind.

If you are doing something good, do it with your own mind. Don't do anything on my say so.

Is it right?

You lost your parents at a very young age.

Yes.

How do you fill that void today?

It will always be there. Whenever I talk, my throat fills up. You can hear my voice change. I feel like I'm very heavy inside. I need to let it out. I've been trying my best.

You don't let that out? I do sometimes. How many times will I do it? Last time I came to my village, a month ago, when I was leaving my village. Although I knew I would come in a month. I didn't feel as much emotionally in my life when I was leaving my village for the

first time, as I did last time.

Why?

Everything was ready, I came, no one was sitting at home. It's been so long, who am I to visit? People leave after seeing the walls. The house was the same, people used to sit there. How many people used to live in my family? My dad had five brothers and two sisters.

One of them was a brother and the other was a sister. And obviously, when people leave, it's hard to meet them decreases. Where did someone go and sit? So these things bother me a lot from within. How happy were these family members?

My family members. And what is this today? Everyone thinks that how many names have been made. There is nothing to see here. People have come and stood. Everything is going on. I am sitting even a part of it. People are standing in front of me, everything is going on.

I am sitting inside thinking that I used to sit here with my parents and eat food. It is the same land, the same place. How has everything changed in 10-15 years? How has it changed? They gave me everything, they took everything away from me. They gave me so much that God said that I shouldn't complain.

That's why when everyone tells me that my album is coming in 4 days, and I bought a ticket for Rs. 20,000, I just say, Bro, wow, very nice. I don't know what happiness is. I do have happiness, I go, but who am I showing it to? But that conversation was incomplete with my dad.

What would you do?

I would say, look dad, I always wanted to have that conversation with him. You don't need to go to work anymore. Or tell my mom, go out somewhere, do this. Mom loved to wear suits. She loved to buy house furniture. She loved to buy, you know, appliances, this random stuff.

She used to have everything at home. And I have a lot left to do, man. I mean, I'm building so many houses, mzab kya abhi ghar toh itne ban raha hai, gaon bhi main ban raha hoon sab. Like you know, now my wife's helping me to turn every house into a home. You know, she takes that responsibility. My house had my mom's suit laying, like her clothes, my dad's sweater, his coat pant.

I went back home last time, you know, I went into my room I tried it on and I was like if he was alive today we would be fitting into the same clothes you know I would be fitting into his shirt you know I'll be fitting into his shoes you know we could share clothes today but that never happened you know that's that's one of the things that you know bothers me a lot bro like Like, it's not complete, it was just a dream. But now I'm just doing it, I don't know for whom.

Do you truly enjoy happiness?

I don't, bro. Honestly, bro. I wouldn't be lying. I'm never super happy, bro. Whenever I'm happy, whenever I achieve something, whenever I take something, that's when I remember that this is lost, this is not there, I will never find it. And that is the only thing, parents.

If your mom was watching this, what would you say to her?

I don't know, bro. I don't know, bro. I don't know. I don't know, bro. I wish she could, bro. She'd never be able to hear me. I'm trying, man. Fuck.

Just trying to fucking get through this, man. You know, it's... It's a crazy life, bro. Fuckin... I can't even tell people, man. I just cry so much. How many times do I have to tell the same thing. How many times do I have to tell the same thing to my wife, to my sisters?

I don't feel like it. This is like fasting. So I just can't process these feelings, bro. I don't know how I feel even today, bro. Everything is going on, it's going well. I've become famous.

I've made money and seen what money is. I've become famous. I have made money. I have travelled in cars. Everything is going on well. I don't know what love between parents is. I was very young. I don't even remember

what conversations we had, what we talked about. I remember a little bit. I regret that I should have left a little earlier. I was at least 18 or 19 years old. I could have sat with him and talked to him. I didn't get a chance.

I was just playing. I went to the streets, got beaten up, took a bath and went to school. I never sat with my mother and talked to her because I was too young. Who talks to a 9-10 year old? I wish I had the brains to spend some time at home. Fuck man.

If I was younger, I would have stayed up all night with her. The day I found out that my mother was 8 months pregnant, I started spending time with her. 8 months, bro. That's why I keep telling all the shows, spend time with them, they don't want anything else.

They don't want anything else. They've worked their whole lives, their kids have become successful, their dreams have come true. They just need time. It's okay, some people don't live in a joint family. Some have to move out with their wives.

But don't forget your parents. It's a big blessing for those who don't have a lot. Bro, I thought no one would ask me. And I would just end up in these streets. And the day my sister left, I know she went out, but I still had a lot of time. I thought that before I go out, something will happen to me.

I won't be able to live here. I will either run away or something will happen. Many of my relatives wanted to take me to their house. They wanted to take care of me. They want to do their own duties. But I just want to stay in my own home.

And I picked that. I said, I won't go anywhere from my village. I don't like this, bro. When people just leave, bro.

Do you talk about it? No, I do it myself. this bro when people just leave bro

Do you talk to them? No, I do it myself

Who do you call when you are completely broken?

Who do you call?

Nobody bro

I feel like this is my biggest problem Sometimes I call my wife but like Sometimes I feel like nobody would get me. I keep feeling like I won't understand. I don't even know how to explain. I can only say that I'm missing her.

I don't know how to define this.

You know?

Are you okay?

I'm okay, bro. I'm okay. It happens, you know fuck we come from such a crazy background and like seen so much it's just like Dil Bar Aata Hai Kahi Baar and every time it happens like I stopped stopping myself now I Bahut Karta Tha Yaar, Main Rokh Leta Tha Yaar, Usse Fir Main Aur Bahut Tang Ho Taun Yaar

then I made a promise to myself every time I used to get really fed up of it.

Then I made a promise to myself, every time I feel like crying, I'm going to let it out. Which is, you know, it's okay, bro. It's a good thing. I'm still a Gabru, bro.

You know what I mean? Of course you are.

Do you ever feel that you shouldn't show vulnerability in public? You shouldn't show weakness? You shouldn't show vulnerability in public? You shouldn't show weakness? You shouldn't show a weak part?

Earlier I used to feel that people will say, but how would anyone know who hasn't gone through this? I'm showing it for those who are going through this. Whoever is going through it, it's okay to let it out. It's okay to admit that you miss them.

What is your biggest fear now?

It's losing my family again, bro. I don't want to see, like, you know, my sisters leave, my wife, my brothers, anybody that I love. Like, I know everybody's gonna go one day. But that's my biggest fear, bro.

I can't face it.

I don't even want to think about it.

You know, maybe I'll be the first one to leave.

You know, if someone tells me that he keeps crying, he's a coward.

It's not like that, bro. I cry, I cry. When the second time comes, we meet anyway.

It depends on the situation. You can call me next time if you ever feel like.

Love you, bro. Thank you so much.

Ever you feel like I'll be there to listen. I'll understand. Don't worry. I promise.

At least I'll pretend that I understand.

That's what I want.

Today, the biggest insecurity is about you. You are a perfect man out there. Great family, relationship. Everything is there now. You are not afraid to show power. You are not afraid to cry.

You are not afraid to spend your style, game. Now, at the same time, you are doing good for your society. So, you have both the sides. You have shown in this podcast only. In all shown me that side, that I am scared of my family. I want to save my family.

And the other side, you have shown that we will meet anyway. You can see. You have shown all the sides. Yeah. What is this perfect Karan Ojla's insecurity? What makes you insecure about yourself?

I feel like not making a good song, bro, is me. I don't care about anything else. When I let the people that love me down with a project or something, I do it 100% on my own. But when they find out that it's not fun, that thing really annoys me.

That's my insecurity in a way where I don't want to lack ever. I want that whenever there's a project, it should be top notch.

So it happens.

But sometimes, it doesn't happen 100% on my own. I had a song called 48 Rhy myself. My song had 48 rhymes. And there was a lot of rhyme scheme in it. And there was a word in it, kude. So everybody was making fun of, oh, it's kude, kude, kude. Before that, a little narrative starts.

Meme pages, and groups of singers. So were saying, our singer is better than your singer. So that also works. So I thought, no, it's good. I thought this song would be good. But it didn't work out. So I did feel bad.

I was like, no, I'll get insulted. What else?

I won't let it happen again.

You say something else in your concert, which I find interesting. Why do you say that? You say in Punjabi, guys, it's just one thing. Don't break the hearts of girls.

That's right. You say that, right? Boys don't break the hearts of girls. Boys should not break the hearts of girls. Girls have very innocent hearts.

Girls do have innocent hearts. Why do you say this specifically? What have you seen? What have you noticed? Where does this stem from?

I don't know. I just feel that girls shouldn't be pushed around. I feel like, because I grew up in a woman household when I was growing up, when my dad passed away. I was just with two of my sisters. They were older than me and my mom.

So I have seen them run the house, you know. I was 11 years old. I have seen when my sister found out that there is no one to take us to the city to buy the leaves for the grocery, so I will have to learn how to drive. So I saw that she found someone, another girl from the the village who taught him how to drive. And when I used to play in the ground, my sister used to go to learn how to drive.

She took six months to learn how to drive. She still hasn't learned how to drive. It's been 20 years. But she used to take us. And my mother took on all the responsibilities. She has two daughters and she has to get married.

So much happens. Yesterday, she had to take care of the house, I had to teach them everything. And my mother's dream was to send her sisters abroad. Her life would be set. But my father is no more. So, I always have a soft corner for girls. I always think, I have to be a good father. I have to be corner for girls.

I feel a little pity for them. Because there are many girls out there. I can say that. But I say that we shouldn't take advantage of girls.

Did you have a heartbreak?

I mean in the matter of love? Luckily, not yet.

I have broken it. Sorry. I have not found it yet. This is not a very good thing.

The way you said it, Omar.

I know a little bit of poetry. But... You write songs like you've seen the heartbreak 15 times. I don't have to live a filmy life. How can I write such good topics in my boring life? I need a little cinematic system.

You write well.

Thank you.

You don't need this.

I mean, everybody knows this.

Raj bhai, it's so funny that even I don't know when I'll write something. Will I write it in the studio or not? It's just a blessing. Something or the other happens. Tell me your definition of love. love? love, and there are many types of love. You have a different love for your mother, a different love for your sister, a different

love for your brother. I see this in my relationships, I am in contact with everyone, how I talk to them, how I feel about them. Like I am sitting alone, I think about my brothers, why do I miss them? So it's like, I feel like number one thing in love is being very transparent. Don't hide things, anything.

Whether it's your brother or sister. There are a lot of things in families. I mean, don't hide things even in families too. Don't hide anything even in a joke. You are so comfortable with your partner that even if you have done something wrong, you can sit and say, I have done this, what should I do? I feel like I am so close to my wife that I can tell her anything,

that she won't judge me.

Right?

I had thought about this a long time ago. I had heard that you shouldn't cry in front of girls. That you lose your respect in front of girls. Someone quoted it in English. So I said, I've cried many times.

I'm there as soon as I leave crying.

What else? I just cry like this. He has a very hard personality. He is a good person from outside. He has handled a lot of problems. But the family issue,

I get melted here. Definition of love I am not able to explain it in words. It is just that without knowing each other, we find out that you're not right today. You don't look right here.

You don't look right here. Everything is fine. Everything is fine. My sister always asks me this. How is Karan?

Is everything fine?

That's love.

True.

You said something very interesting. You said that you can see it in the eyes. And that's it's... You don't have to tell it. You don't have to say it.

Right. I was...

And a while ago... I was talking to my partner and then she said... I asked her... Like how do you know? Like what about me? What do you like? What is it?

And she's like, you can't tell me that. But I can see it in your eyes. It's like every time I look at you, I know how you look at others and way you look at me. And I'm like, that is so true. When I see her in front of 10 people,

I will look at everyone the same way. When I look at her, I may not be telling you,

but I will look at her from a different perspective.

And she knows this.

Like people can tell. And she can this. Like people can tell and she can tell.

It's the connection, bro.

I don't have to tell her that I love you. I just have to look at her.

Yeah. Even telling her I love you, you're just reminding her. You're not really telling her that you love her. You're reminding her, I love you. It's always there, right?

Yeah.

It's always there. It'll always be there. I feel like it's very important to have a good life partner for a person. So it's like, the environment of the family should be clean. I've noticed this a lot. The company matters a lot. Who you get up with, what's going on. My wife has started speaking like me now.

You can calculate it. But a proper Punjabi speaks like me now. Now calculate this. But a proper Punjabi speaks like me. She's born in Canada. All my slang words.

You use them all.

All of them are Punjabi. No chakkar, this and that. It's all there. I said, what's wrong with you? You were good before. Don't say that.

He said, talk to me.

I don't like it. You're getting too manly. So it's like understanding same. It got a little better. It got better a little, but I don't have to explain things. They don't have to. Like the same thing, you know, she's going through this or he's going through this. But that time that we have spent together did make a difference. You know, like 11-12 years being together And now I've been married for two years.

So it's like, you know, it doesn't feel like we've been together for 11 years. Like, you know, I was just 18 years old and she was 19. Since then we've been together. How long has it been? I was 17, she was 18.

A long time ago.

Yeah. So, the relationship hasn't changed that much, but like I said earlier, sometimes there's nothing to talk about. What can I say to you now?

All the talks are over.

How are you? What do you want to do today? But sometimes I remember old talks.

How do you make her feel secure? Especially at the time, because it's very natural that your wife has ever thought because so much female attention all of a sudden and so much fame maybe just so much danger you have to face.

There are a bunch of things, right? So what do you do? How do you make her feel secure?

I would say it is hard. It's not easy to make a woman feel secure, bro. Especially in his field. So, I just try to, you know, be with her more. That's one thing. I feel like the more I keep her with me, the better things get. You know? Like there's no things like, oh. I'm sitting in the car, I'll call you now. If I'm not in the car, if I'm on the bike, then I'll still feel dizzy.

I'm just going somewhere. So, it's like, small things happen sometimes. But we travel together most of the time. We were away for 10 days now. Because she had something to do back home. So, now it feels like it's been a long time since we've met. So, yeah man, I try to keep her with me, you know.

Try to keep her in her comfort zone. And I tell her all the things she wants to hear. That's the main one. I tell her everything she wants to hear. So, it's nice. I give her more time.

This is the answer.

What is the thing that worries you the most about your wife and father?

He does this, that sometimes she posts a photo with someone, with a co-actress.

It just happened recently, bro.

Wow.

People made memes and said, you guys are too much, you guys are too much. You guys don't move.

I'll send you a meme right now, bro. People made memes about me and said, you guys are too much. You guys are too much.

Send me a meme. They will start tagging him. Look at what he is doing. Don't leave him open. Don't do this. And he is saying, I will tell you my story.

That's it. This happens sometimes. I said, acting is also something. You have to go into the character. If you have to walk holding hands, I will hold hands. How will I walk?

Don't hold hands, just walk. There are directors, I can't even explain to them. So I told them, you make the concept of the next video. Then we will do something. They said, there will be no girl in it.

That's the thing about love, right? It's like, don't breathe around him. And same with guys, don't breathe around her.

Exactly.

That's always there. And no matter how much you try,

it doesn't matter to me.

Yes, yes.

It matters a lot. You can't tell from the inside.

I keep telling him that I'm yours.

I'll stay yours.

Don't worry.

Okay?

What do you love the most about your wife? What do you like the most about her?

There's so many things, man. So many things. One thing about her is that she takes care of my family more than I take care of my family. Wow. I feel really blessed that I don't even have to ask my sister sometimes like if they're okay or not. Like she takes care of everybody.

Wow.

And it's very hard to find that in today's world. Like you know somebody that loves you and loves your family.

So I'm blessed man.

She's the anchor in your life.

She's the anchor in my life. That's the one man. She keeps it together, man. I've been a killer for a long time. I mean, I'm mentally a little bit… I'm very focused on a lot of things. You know, so much happened in my childhood. Sometimes I don't know, bro, which direction I should go, what should I do. So she just tells me to breathe, calm down. When I touch this, you were saying that how do you make them feel secure when

there is a feeling of gang violence and bullets are being fired. When the first time there was a shooting at home, I told her that I was very tensed. What if somebody comes now, what do we do? She said, shut up and sleep. Nothing will happen. I said, man, she's a great person.

She doesn't have any system. After two minutes, she started snoring.

I said, okay, she doesn't have any tension. I'll sleep too.

So this was her system. She's like that.

That's powerful.

Yeah, man. A lot of people are themselves getting tensed. She really said, Karan, nothing will happen. Go to sleep, nothing will happen.

That's amazing.

I was like, bro, what else do I want? I'm fucking stressing about her. She's a fearless woman. She's making me feel like I'm a coward. I said, okay, I'll sleep. That is such an amazing thing to have a partner who fills you with courage.

Right.

That's amazing.

Everybody wishes. It's like we have such a cute relationship, bro. Everything, every time. Like if you open my conversation, I don't feel okay.

Anything.

My head is aching, so I message her. Even though she's sitting so far away. She'll just tell me to take medicine. Just tell me, I feel so low. My head is aching. My stomach is not okay, my legs are hurting. So after show, she tells me exactly what I know that I need to do.

And I just do it after she tells me. So it's like even if there is a problem, like sometimes my cholesterol system was a bit bad. I wasn't eating well, now it's getting better. And she told me already without going to the doctors, that this is your system, this is what's going to happen. Later the doctor told me that this is it.

Then she told me that I had told you. You had told me earlier that this is it. That you don't want to listen to me. So this is it. So have you ever destroyed a relationship?

Because you don't know how to handle being loved?

I didn't destroy my relationship but I had a lot of trust issues And I couldn't tell the difference if somebody is actually loving me or they are just acting like they care about me It could be anybody in my life, it could be one of my friends that have done wrong to me or like anybody. So I've had some cases in my life where I trusted people too much and trusted to the extent where I never asked them anything and gave them the whole steering wheel to whatever I do.

I mean, you can't trust blindly. Not even in love, but in friendship. Because I've been friends with friends since my parents died. My friends were everything for me. Because I always spent time with friends. Playing with friends, going to school with friends.

When I went to Canada, I had friends. So when I started my work, I got blindly trusted by people. And I was robbed a lot, I was cheated, I didn't even know about the royalties. And I did it with people I had complete trust in. So when these things happened, I felt that I should think about it many times. You can't do everything with your heart. Because I had a lot of trust in them.

I thought that they know, they will tell me everything. They have to do it, they will do it. No one does it, you have to do it yourself. Everybody wants to be okay in their own life. I was very hurt that the person you are trusting so much, that you are handling everything, he is the one who is locking you up, where will you go? Then I felt that I should have only 4-5 friends, I should be solid.

So after that, I am blessed to have these people in my life now. I need people to talk to.

I just need that.

I just need to make to. I just need that.

I just need to make them feel at ease. Because sometimes, not everything is about the wife. And what is about the wife is not about the sister. And what is about the sister is not about the brothers. And what is about the brothers is not about anyone.

I agree.

So, I talk to everyone. My relationship with my brothers is with them. Why are they running around with me? I agree. people used to sit around me. When they know that there is a threat, how can I not love them? You tell me this.

Punjab, because you're talking about Punjab, there is a lot of Akhada culture in Punjab, right?

A lot, brother.

What is Akhada culture? Explain me that. What is it?

It's so crazy that you asked me this, because I've actually been to lots of Khadas. OK. I've actually been to lots of khadas. So my start was with the Punjab khadas. All these arena shows. When I came to Punjab, after my breakthrough, I started getting shows.

First, I did a show in Delhi. When I did my first show in Delhi, I was like, will I speak Hindi or Punjabi? I asked, how is everyone? They said, you speak Punjabi. I said, OK.

So that was my first show. 400-500 people came to a club. And I put up club shows in Chandigarh. And after that, I started singing in big tournaments, football tournaments, and big tournaments in Punjab. I told my people that I sang from here.

Because a lot of people were confused that this is a Canadian-born artist. And he lives in Canada. He doesn't even know Punjabi. So I feel like that was one of my best experiences. Because I was among my own people.

If I hadn't played those Akhadas, I wouldn't have been able to perform at the Scotia Bank Arena, London O2.

Who must have played the biggest Akhada? Which Punjabi artist?

When we first came here, we played Akhadas of Bapu Manpa Ji. It was at Guranek Stadium, a long time ago. I would say after 2000s, after 2000s, something like that. His Akhadas were very big. In Punjab, the old Akhadas of Pappu Man Paaji, even today, but

we used to see that in some villages there is a show of Pappu Man today. So, trucks of trucks, trolleys are being filled because it is a free show. Everyone just wants to watch.

It's just love. You can see people everywhere. Next was the AP concert. AP came to your concert. And then what was the message that you wanted to give? In that concert.

Because I think there was some controversy at that time as well. And after that, AP came. I think AP was having some controversy with then AP came. There was a controversy with AP. With Diljeet Baji. And it wasn't like AP and I got together. AP is also a bit hot-headed. He looks like that.

So, it happens sometimes. It happens with brothers. But what message did you try to give? There was no message there. There are no winners, there are no losers in this.

Something.

What was it?

That brother got a little emotional. He said something. But I had explained to him before the stage that brother,

don't do this.

Relax.

But I guess he just wanted to say we're all together, man. Because people are making up stories like, you know, now AP is against Karan, like these guys don't get along. Or maybe they don't agree that AP's work is better, Karan's work is better. No, no, he's better, he's better. So, we're just trying to tell them, bro, we came from Punjab, we're playing a Bombay show, two nights in Arroa is playing. So, for the Punjabis, and what about the pride, bro? to We are together. There is nothing behind the curtain. And whatever happens, if someone is hurt on stage,

it is only from the heart, sometimes emotionally. Anger comes, disappointment comes, something happens. That happens. But now we are also controlling it. I have also reduced my speaking. Earlier it used to be a lot, how did he speak?

How will he answer? Because it wasn't wrong in its place.

A lot of artists write like this about how they feel in love. And how you write about how a girl feels. How would she feel in love. Why do you do that?

I think it's a way of telling a story. Sometimes I don't even know how I think from a girl's perspective. Especially the lyrics that girls relate to to a certain extent. I like writing from a girl's perspective because, first of all, there are songs for girls, but when a song is written for girls from a boy's perspective, it's a different story.

Softly, for example, Chuni Meri Rang Dil Darariya. That song was popular here, but modern city girls sang it so much, who didn't know anything about Punjabi. What is Lala Riya? Everyone found out later. But that story was of a girl from the village.

A Punjabi girl. She's a very good girl. But I mixed it up a little bit. I asked her a lot with a phantom. So it's like a process. Now I feel like I don't write with emotions too much. It's like a study type of situation where I have to study what is this generation thinking

or what would this generation like? How can I connect two generations? Let's say there's a 20 year old girl and there's a 40 year old lady. How can they both relate to a song that I've written from a girl's perspective? So it's like a process. I don't even know.

How do you study? Like, how do you think? I'll tell you my thing, okay? So, I give a lot of conversations and probably reels or podcasts, I talk about, I give speeches around women perspective. And I give everything purely just basis of what good parts, bad parts, suffering parts, love parts, I gave to my mom. And my sisters, like I have cousins and I have too many cousins, like double digit cousins.

So, how did I see all those cousins, I studied on their cousins. But that's my very little sample size.

I know what you mean, yeah. You, what you do is at a scale.

Yeah.

So, what do you study? I look at it at home. Where do you study?

It's a very interesting thing. Like, sometimes you don't even have to ask anyone. This is the story of writers. I read a quote, Don't mess with writers, they can explain you.

Oh! Sometimes they tell you the truth. Yeah. Even for girls, I don't think I'm a girl, maybe I was in my previous life.

One day I was telling my brother, how much they love me. I was shooting, shoot is like my office. I'm gone there to shoot, I'm gone there to work. So, I want to meet everyone, all the fans. If I'm shooting in a village, people from the nearby village come,

and the shoot is going on there, so let's meet. Sometimes I have to meet everyone because I'm working. That's my office. So, sometimes I feel like I should have met them, I shouldn't have met them. How do I do it? The more people I meet, the more people come to me. So, when I meet these people, I ask them, what do you like about me?

Because you can't have a conversation with anyone when a photographer comes. How are you? Hello. Hello. Go to the photographer. So I tell the people around me to let me talk to them. So one day I have a girl from our village. She told me that I don't like your songs about girls.

I think the rest of the girls with girls. I said, it must be true. The rest of the girls like it. I like winning speech. I said, she must be doing a course or something. She said, whenever I go to college, I wake up in the morning and play that song.

And when you say, the one that you play 21 times, I'm basically saying that it's winner's speech. No matter how much you try to bring down the bar, as long as you have the courage, you can't bring it down. So the song was related to that girl. I wrote it for a core audience of 14 to 24 year olds, who can understand, who have passion.

So you never know which song will relate to whom, for whom I'm writing it. It just happens. I wrote a song, Falling Apart, for a girl. She's sitting there, and so am I. You're gone, and so am I.

It's like a very sad love story. I have you, and you don't. And she's like, what's the matter, Vijatta? So I think all of this influences people.

I haven't figured out where it. Where did it come from? I wanted to talk specifically about three songs. Tell me, what was the lyric behind the story? How did it come? What did you notice? If not notice, when you were writing, what were you imagining?

Like, what's the matter? Because you pointed out. There is a line in what's the matter. I am loosely reframing in Hindi because I don't know Punjabi very well, which I understood. That you're talking to that girl, and she doesn't even know that she's been

betrayed. You must have counted the stars with her, you must have done all this with her. And then she doesn't even know that this is happening to her.

It's so deep. And it's true, right? It happens. Like the girls know it happens.

How do you write this line?

I didn't write it with me. I don't have a story. Let's clear that out. But, friends, everyone has their own situations. That song has a story. I had a song on one night.

It's a very bold topic, especially in Punjab. I was like, poetry is always there. There are a lot of old songs. How many old songs can I tell you in Punjabi that have lyrics that I don't want to tell you the meaning of them. Nor do you want to know.

It's just a system in the song. And I felt that if these things are happening, I am a writer, I just want to explain a situation. So I don't write thinking that it shouldn't be offended. I am just doing my job. Because if I have already put 20 things in my head and set boundaries, then I would not be able to open them. So it was a story of a night in my mind, that I will write a night in some way.

And how can I write from a girl's perspective? And then I tried to ask in a very taunt style, that what is the matter? It's a night spent like yesterday. I know, but you tell me with your own mouth who you were with. And there was a line in it, that she too will not be like me,

that tomorrow she will be waiting for her share. And then she's saying, I will ask her the shame she is feeling, as to how much she is waiting for you. If you are feeling shy to say it, then I will ask her, she will tell me.

So it's like these taunts and lyrics, I feel like they're very relatable. So when I come up with a line like this, it's like, it's not a big story, it's just a thought that comes to mind. That this is happening, we all know the reality,

so how do I write it in words?

How do I write it in my own way? If this was a girl, how would I ask him? So it's like, yeah, you really have to mold yourself into like, you know, writing is a beautiful process.

Then the second song, I wanted to know one more. Addi Sunni Tani.

Oh wow, how do you even know this song? If you know this song, you're a legend. That's crazy. This is the Addi. Yeah. This one.

So we put ginger and anything in the bone. So that was from a guy's perspective. He's asking, the girl is already married. That's a story. I get surprised sometimes, how did I come up with such a story. But it's a proper scenario of a guy asking a girl who's already been married or with somebody

else, he's asking her, I would say always I love writing love stories, sad songs, poetry-type feels over like solid hard tracks.

Okay. That's your zone.

That's my zone as a writer. Like I enjoy doing that. Because there's a big difference when you make poetry. This topic is not like, Chakle mere naal yaar, billi paan sat, gadiyaan ishi shikhaale, yeh wo. Wo bahut easy hai bhai. Mere liye main bol sakta hu, it's a very basic writing process.

Agar...

Baise gaana likhne hai toh.

Haan, agar likhna ho toh. Bahut kai gaane hote bhi hain, jisme dimaag lakta hai. We do it all day. I can still do it. But coming up with a girl's perspective idea, poetry, poetry type songs, it takes something.

There's a song called Hint.

Yeah.

There's a very solid line in it, which is hurtful, but intense. Loosely again reframing in Hindi. That you turned out to be like a crown. You keep moving in everyone's hands. Something like that. How did you write that?

What thought process did you have? What were you thinking about writing this song?

Sometimes I feel that girls are defaming us. Not all girls are like that. There are some girls and some girls. This is human nature. It's not about girls and boys. Anyone can cheat.

So it's like how to frame it in the writing process. This line, I don't know about this line, but I still remember this song. My first arena show was with many other artists in the UK. And there were 6- seven other artists. And my first proper arena show was with proper musicians. I mean, no PA, the whole system. So before the show, I was taking a shower.

I'll tell you one more thing. I got 5,000 dollars for that show. 5,000 pounds. And I was so bad with my spending that I just spent whatever came. And in that hotel, the promoter of that show, he… I had gone from Canada, the rest of the people had come from India, from Punjab.

So they should have a hotel attendant, an airport attendant. My calculation was that I will do everything myself. My friends will come to pick me up, I will look for a hotel. So I saw where the promoter had arranged it. So we went there. It was a jail scene.

It was like an apartment that would turn into a jail. So I said, I won't stay here. I talked to my brother. I said, look, ask stay here. I talked to my brother and said, tell him to get a hotel. He said, there is no hotel.

We'll get it.

We'll have to do it ourselves. I went to the hotel. And this was five or six years ago. The songs were playing, but not so much that I was very, I mean, they're still not that popular. I don't want to say it like that.

No, no. I don't want to say it like that. There was not much of a system. I was okay. So I went there and I asked for a room. I asked him if there was a suite, if he could give me a suite, I would get a living area. He said there was no suite, it was only a presidential suite.

The foreigner also gave me a little taunt. I don't know, it was a day like that. I said, it's true. I said, how much is the presidential fee? He said, 3500 euros more per night. Pounds.

I said, I got 5000 from the show. I'll stay here for three days. How much money is that? I opened the bank account app. How much is available on the credit card? I said, I'll take this room today.

Whatever happens. If I have to go to the show, I'll go from here. Although I wasn't the headliner of the show. I had to come a long time ago. And I took that room. The white man who asked, are you sure?

He said, yes, I'm sure. I'll take this. He came to pick up my suitcase. I gave him another 40 euros. I said, you also have fun. I sat there for three days and I put on a show there.

So in that shower, I wrote this song. I still remember I was taking a shower before the show. I was heading to the venue. And in that shower, I had this melody. I used to give hints to my eyes. I had a melody in my mind. And then I thought of the eyes.

I don't know what obsession I had with my eyes. I wrote songs about my eyes. I wrote songs about my eyes. I used to think about my eyes a lot. And then I got this line in my mind. And then I got a hint.

And that line changed. I was telling my eyes, but I couldn't read it.

But are you still reckless with spending? Do you still spend like this?

A lot.

A lot? I don't know about these things. I'm doing it on the right things now. But like, in my village, we are starting a few projects. A park for ladies and children. We are making a lake park type of situation.

And for kids, we are building a stadium, football ground. And there are no lights in the village. I am just making the village better. This is my dream now. For the next 3-4 years, I feel like other than music, whatever I want to do in there, that's my second goal.

That I want to turn that place into like a beautiful spot, bro.

Nice. So that's a good side that you're doing. What are the bad sides that you spend? You said.

I'll give you a bad check. Number one is clothes.

Okay.

Clothes are very important. Clothes are very important. The watch is number two.

You're wearing RM, right? Yes.

Richard Meir.

Yeah, I'm wearing his watch now. It gets scratched a lot. Whenever I get a scratch, it hurts a lot. But I said, we'll see what we do. But I've never seen these things before. The truth.

I mean, I never got a chance when I was young to fulfill my desires. To wear nice clothes, nice shoes. I think every boy has a dream. To be good. And when I was young, I didn't know where my pants and slippers were going. So, clothes, cars, watches, they will keep watches, and what else are we earning for?

Tell me top three spends you've done. And top three craziest things you've bought, luxury cars. Like individual things? Number one would be like a car, obviously.

Which car did you buy?

My first most expensive car was a Rolls Royce, bro.

Nice.

So when I bought that, I bought a Cullinan.

So, heat.

Straight.

I mean, the start was also up.

I had to buy that.

I bought it in 2023. I don't even know where I'm going to get the money from the day I went to order the car. I feel like I manifested that. But I had signed the papers and said, yes, we'll meet after three months. Everything happened on its own. I still have them. I shipped all my cars to Dubai.

Nice.

So now I can finally drive them. In Canada, I couldn't drive any of my cars. Anyway, I'm a little... Safety hazard. I'm a little flashy. I can tell where I'm going and where I'm not.

I have to be careful about a lot of things.

You're making a new album and releasing new songs.

Yes.

What's the thought process for that? What are you making?

Yeah, bro. This new album is, uh, this is what I like to listen as music. In Punjabi.

Okay. You know?

This is you vibing?

If I had made an album with all my favorite Punjabi singers, it would have been like this.

Nice.

My writing. I mean, I would have told them that I want their voice, I want their style, So the album's name is P-Pop Culture. P-Pop. Punjabi Pop. Yeah. Nice. So we came up with this name like eight months ago. And Jab Album ka Socha tha uske paanch mein e baad yeh. So we came up with this name.

And we were like, OK, let's do this.

Let's do this.

Let's do this.

Let's do this.

Let's do this. So we came up with this name like eight months ago. When we were thinking of the album, we came up with this name after five months. When we started making the album, we didn't have a name or anything. We didn't know which direction we would go in. I would say I've been working on this for the last one and a half, two years. In the first six months, we were thinking of which direction we should go. We didn't write any years. I was still dropping single tracks in that time.

Like, Vavy aaya yeh, wo, saare gaane dal raha tha aur kaam bhi kar raha tha. Abne dimaag mein kaam kar raha tha album pe. Sheikh Mehne uspe nikal gaye. Sheikh Mehne mein bhi nahi pata chala ki kya karna hai. I didn't even know what to do in six months. After that, I thought about what topics I should write songs on. What should be the zone? What should be the flavor of the album?

Like my first album, Making Memories, it was very pop. You know, a couple of songs were very Punjabi. So it was like a mix of everything. And then I came to figure out, like, OK, this is how many songs I want. I wanted 16 songs. And then I was like, you know, quality over quantity.

16 songs. I can't do it all at once. I want to give a good work. So I started working. I made songs for six or seven months. New songs.

I didn't even look at the ones in my vault. I said, this is my backup plan. I came up with like 30 ideas. Nice. So I was like, OK, I'll do it. I'll do it. I'll do it. I'll do it. I'll do it.

I'll do it.

I'll do it. camp there. We stayed there for 20 days. We had a camp in Dubai. So we recorded for five or six months. And I came up with like 30 ideas.

Nice.

So I was like, OK, there's 30. And I knew I wanted 10 songs. So when we got to 10, we didn't put any of the first 10 songs. There were 10 songs. Actually, we put the first song. The first song I wrote for the album.

Fresh. It came out. Yes. That song is called For A Reason. And its video is coming out on the 22nd with the album. So we put that out. After that, I made nine songs. Out of the 30 songs, I slowly picked up 10 songs.

We made the album for them. Gabru was the last song on the album. We didn't have any plan to include it. One day, we sat in the studio to listen to the master, and the beat came, and we made it, and we included it. So the whole direction was keeping the culture aspect, keeping lyrics very desi and modern at the same time. How would that happen?

We used a few simple words in Punjabi that you can understand if you don't know Punjabi. Some are very straight Punjabi. If a baba is listening to it know Punjabi, you can understand it. Some are very tight Punjabi. If a Baba is listening to it in Punjab, he will say, it's a good song. Tell me, who are your top three artists that you think are great and you are enjoying listening to them? Like, have you heard Danda Neoli?

Yeah, yeah, bro. Come on, any music is good music. I don't listen to all the guys. I have a brother from Punjab, his name is Azad for Life. Before him, there are a couple of guys, Iqbal, our brother, from Punjab. And they're bringing up the rap scene in Punjab, properly.

And I mention these two names because I love their lyrics, the way they write, because I'm a lyricist. So the way they say a sentence, Baati to bhai wahi hai, kehne ka tariqa hai. Toh jo tariqa se woh kehte hain, I can tell what their personality is like. And I'm a fan of that. So, ya sare ache hain.

Dhanda bhai ache hain. Has music become the next big thing. He's popping. Because he has a lot of followers on Instagram. I feel like for Haryanvi music, it's very, very good. You know, I would say they needed a face that was young enough for people to relate. Even Punjabi audience.

Young guy came. You know, you can tell, okay, like he means it, whatever he's saying. So I like it. whatever he's saying. So, I like it. And I write it, it's good.

Okay, here's the last question. Yeah. I always have the last question, which is in my mind. And I think, because I ask myself a lot of such questions. So, here's the last question for you. That, what truth about yourself have you known deep down for years but you still struggle to fully accept it or act on it?

I can say that in Hindi for people as well. What is the truth about yourself that you know? The truth that you know deep down is reality but you are not able to accept it fully, nor are you able to act on it.

It's like this for me, it doesn't matter how many people come in my life, how much love people give me, how much care I get, I'll always feel lonely.

Always.

Doesn't matter I'm sitting with 100 people, doesn't matter I'm sitting with whoever. You know? It doesn't mean that I'm sitting with someone and I'm fake-ish or I'm not fully present with them. I just don't feel it anymore, brother. I feel lonely, man. Most of the times. And I know it's the truth.

Sometimes I don't want to admit it that I am alone. You know, I have my family. I'll have kids tomorrow. I have my wife. But me within myself, I just just feel alone most of the time. Even being with so many people, even being in front of 20,000 people.

I sit in a room alone in front of 20,000 people, I sleep, I wake up. I don't feel that loneliness. And I know it's the truth. When my parents are not around, I am alone. If your parents are not around, you are alone. Your family is finished.

Your sisters have their own houses. I have my own life. We are blood. But I feel lonely, man.

And that's a void which can never be filled.

Yeah, bro.

I can't even imagine, man.

This can be fixed. And it bothers me.

And regardless of all of this,

Yeah.

you've become really, really inspirational and successful and do many things and you're going for every ambition that you have. Kudos to you, brother.

Thank you, bro.

I don't know where you find this strength from. That I will see these dreams and I will achieve them. Because I don't know how many people, if you have gone through such things, I don't know how many people will leave it. They won't enjoy it.

And regardless of all of this, you still have ambition and you go for it.

And it's something I can't imagine. They won't enjoy it. I'm trying to figure it out. So are we. Thanks a lot man. Thanks for having me. It was a great conversation. I'm looking forward to more.

Podcast together.

Yeah man. So many. But it was great. Thank you. Do you want to eat? Eat it from the pot. I'm okay. I'm okay. I'm not feeling cold.

Okay.

Nice though, bro. This is a nice operation, man. Thank you. I'm glad to be here finally.

Thank you.

I watch your podcasts all the time.

Thank you, brother.

I learn a lot.

It's nice, bro.

Nice to see you doing this.

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