KENAPA TERUS NANTANGIN RAKYAT SIH⁉️ - ABIGAIL LIMURIA - Podcast

Om Daddy, why do you want to... If you're going to be called, there's a risk. Why do you want to do this podcast episode?

Abigail. You've been here twice, right?

Twice, yes. But this podcast is once.

What do you think? I mean? What do you want to say?

What haven't been said yet, what I have to say again, in my opinion, this is the sixth day. And it didn't even start on the 28th, when Avan Kurniawan was killed.

No, it started on the 25th.

It's not even the 25th, it's been months.

Oh yeah.

It's been piled up.

Let me start from the beginning. Okay. Okay. In my opinion, when we talk about who is the villain, I think the villain is not empathy. The bad guy is hunger. The bad guy is poverty.

The bad guy is justice. The bad guy is all of that. If you put it in, there are a lot.

But you put it in after it's broken. After it's broken, of course. The person who put it in, after it's chaos, it's in. setelah udah pecah. Setelah udah pecah, pasti. Orang nyusup kan setelah sudah keos, masuk. Bener. Artinya kan penyusup, atau bahkan ada narasi-narasi yang, oh ini dari pihak asing nih, itu kan sebenarnya, ya gue gak tau lah.

It's possible, boleh. Bisa. Tapi yang udah pasti kemarahan ini real. Ya, betul. But why did it explode during the DPR? The explosion was, of course, after the DPR demonstration. Because the people were in trouble, and then the DPR raised the bar. And I think I would go as far to say that what caused the explosion was not that.

Not the loan?

The loan.

But you understand that if the loan and the like is thrown away, it's not money. It's their money.

It's their money.

The big money is not in that.

That's why, in my opinion, the way they present it, the way they respond to the people. For example, the demo in Pati that I followed. how they present it, how they respond to the people.

For example, the demo in Pati that I followed.

The regency, at first, the demo was going to be raised, the land tax, right?

But after that, after the demo and so on, it was confronted,

it was pulled back, it didn't work.

Why are they angry? Because of arrogance. Well,'re like, they're going to break the 50,000 people's expectations, so they're like, come here, let's do a demo.

Right. Arrogance, response, and all that. I think it's the same with this. Yes, people are angry because of excessive spending. Yes, people are angry because they see the life style that is so so. Because every time we're on the road, we're being nagged. Or when we're on a business trip abroad, we're being nagged. Yes, people get mad. But I think what makes people really fed up is the response that's near empathy. The arrogant response.

For example, dancing. Right? Or saying that people want to... What is it? Tolol. Tolol.

Or saying that people are crazy. I think that's a joke. And then there's the one who did the jelata. That's crazy, I think. That was in front of the camera. You can imagine, behind the scenes, these people who should be the representation, who should represent the people,

considered the people to be very low.

I want to break one thing. Is the dance one that shouldn'tikin? Katanya bukan.

Bukan yang pas di meeting DPR. Tapi ada tuh yang salah satu. Oh, Eko. Yang ada DJ. Yang pas masyarakat udah marah tuh.

Yang nantangin lah orang-orang bilang.

Itu kan joget. Dengan topik ini dong. Sonore gitu ya. Iya, I mean, why?

You asked me why, I'm confused. I'm like, why?

You're a deep person. Why do you think they can be that arrogant? Or, I'm also confused. Why? It should be... It was mind-blowing for me to be so tone-deaf.

I don't think psychologically it's tone-deaf. If you ask me, I think when someone has been like that for so long... You've been together for so long, right? If it's Uya, it's new. If it's Uya, ìYes.î If I was a kid, I would have just started. I was that old. How to represent the people when the lifestyle is not the lifestyle of the people?

This is a bit difficult for me. How do you represent the people when you don't know what the life of the people is like. I was a bit surprised when the number of people in the PHK was so high.

And the unemployed too.

Oh yeah. You know, there need an employee, I ask, how much is the expected salary? The expected salary that he wrote is below the WMR. This is so ridiculous. Then I asked, why do you ask for a salary below the WMR? I said, before, the job was higher before.

And the answer is, I want to get in. It means, I'm desperate. I just found out that when Gojek had 4 or 9 million subscribers, I forgot. 50% of them were single. It means that they are smart people. They should have dreams, hopes, and so on.

But they didn't make it. They are desperate. And maybe the people there didn't see that. Because they don't relate.

Okay. Not relating and not seeing are two different things. I mean, we can do it. For example, the people doesn't have a lifestyle, but they still see the data, they are aware of the reality, and they act to represent that problem. They don't have to relate. Right?

Yes, that's right.

It means that those are two different things. Why? Do they not see it too? In my opinion, it's impossible.

It's impossible. Nggak mungkin lah.

Udah pasti melihat.

Di jalanan juga lihat kok.

Ya, artinya nggak peduli aja dong. Bodoh amat aja.

Or overpower.

Overpower. Ya, maksudnya gini. Lu bisa overpower, tapi tetap melakukan sesuatu dong. Ya dong.

Maksudnya untuk menjalankan tugas merepresentasikan rakyat, gak harus relate gitu. Harus. Oke, gak harus relate. Tapi dia tahu apa yang terjadi gitu kan intinya kan? Harusnya dengan power yang dia punya.

Malah tambah bisa melakukan sesuatu dong. So, that's the point. With the power he has... ...he can do something.

If you say that, it means it's about each of us. Because we also talk about it. These are not all members of the DPR. I understand. We consider them as the ognum. Because since the incident yesterday,

there is a member of the DPR whose name is Naik.

Who?

Yes.

Trika Diapita Loka. His name is a job.

Yes, of course no one says that all of the DPR. But this is okay, we highlight to the people.

Okay, let's run first.

Even the people don't discuss the work results. In my opinion, the demand of the people, the people for the DPRK is not about the result. It's not about that. It's about having empathy.

It's even scarier.

And they failed the test.

Yes, but if you say it, the people don't even demand the result.

It's just about empathy. then the people will be desperate. Yes, it's already that bad. The expectation is already that low, in my opinion. From what I observed. And that's why I mean, it's already too much. Because the expectation is already that low, it can still make people this angry. And something to think about, the Indian people are different from the American or European people. Where they are frontal. They are brave and so on. I understand.

It means it's already too much, it's already broken.

Yeah, until people... ...if we have friends in one group... ...there must be one who is always bullied. He just laughs. He's like, oh yeah, just Lego. But suddenly when he's angry, everyone is silent.

Everyone is like, okay, this is too much. Well, in Indonesia, people are like that. ketika dia marah, semua diam dong. Semua kayak, wah oke ini udah kelewatan nih kita. Nah ini Indonesia kan orang-orangnya seperti itu.

Artinya ketika kita punya teman, satu yang kita bully terus, kita lucu-lucuin, nah gendut lu, jelek lu, gini lu, bau lu, apa segala gini. Sampai dia diam, dia ketawa, dia diam, dia ketawa. Kita nggak tau apa yang ada di hati dia. And then he got mad. He said, ''Shut up! Can you all shut up?'' We were shocked, so we shut up. The question is, do we want to change ourselves?

We don't want to change. That's the question for our representatives. And the government. What do you think? What's the best? The best? So, in my opinion, the demands of the community are quite clear.

Okay. It's quite clear.

17 plus 8?

17 plus 8. And also, the community groups have their own demands. So, it's not just 17 plus 8. 17 plus 8 is just an effort from some friends to summarize some things that have been circulating on social media. And there are several of them. But besides 17 plus 8, there are also 211 of the Coalitions for a Simple Society and published on the JLBHI website,

from UI, and so on. So, I mean, it's easy to find. It's there. It's written neatly. So, if you're asked, you just have to respond.

If we run to other things, there are a lot of demands. Let's go to 17 plus 8. That's what you're concerned about, right?

Yes.

You're concerned about that, right?

Yes.

Okay. Let me talk about that.

Okay.

What is 17 plus 8? You have it? Yes. Okay. 17 plus 8. Why do we have to do 17 plus 8? Why don't we just do it right away?

So, as we know, So, like this.

It's fast if it's 26, no, 25.

Because, like this. We can demand. But I realize that in many demands of the community, there are some that can be done quickly. There are some that need time.

Okay.

So, plus 8.

So, 17 short term, 8 long term. Okay. So, plus 8? So, 17 short term, 8 long term.

Okay.

Because, again, like you said earlier, for example, excessive loans. If we freeze it, like what the president said, we cancel it. That's short term.

But that doesn't solve the problem. Of course. We need to have reformation, for example, budget transparency. We have to reform the budget transparency. We have to be able to recalculate the loans or KPI, etc. It can't happen in a few days. It takes time.

That's why there are long-term loans. If the loan is frozen, we have to know that the loan is actually the main core business. Not the business in the quote-unquote income not the main core of the business. The business is the biggest in the DPR. So, we have to be transparent. The people were surprised when they found out that

when Mr. Probo lost his team of commissioners, it was actually positive and negative.

Why?

It's so positive that Tantim was erased. Because it's all APBN. But the negative is that the people were surprised. Tantim is that big.

Yes. So, according to Om Dad, you said that the loan is not the main business.

Let's correct it. We can't say it's not a business. If it's a business, I'm wrong. I think it's not the main problem. And the income is possible.

Not the main income? What does it mean?

I don't know. Chris Dayanti said once a month, But most of it is about the loan, right? What he said. Yes. You're teasing me, right?

But the loan is not the main income, right?

I don't think so.

So, what should we be aiming for? So, it means that Om Dede knows something we don't, for example. So, to be more fair, what should be the point?

Okay, let's say... You're asking me, right?

No, according to what Om Daddy said, if the loan is not the main income, maybe, I don't know.

What kind of loan is this?

TPR.

Yes, what kind of loan is this?

Oh, I don't know. There are so many.

That's the problem. There are so many loans. That's the problem.

There are so many loans. What loans are being thrown away? Okay. There are loans A, B, C. Okay, let's do this.

According to Om Daddy, to get to the point of the problem, what should the people do?

In my opinion, if you want it to be right, reset. What? Reset. Reset the rules. Oh, reset. Resetting the rules. For example, The rules of the UU? Yes, in the DPR. Even everywhere. We don't need to talk about the DPR. Okay. If someone is in the ASN, for example, I'm in the Ministry of Defense.

You can ask me how much I get from the Ministry of Defense.

Okay.

I get 4 million rupiahs, and I forgot, I get around 15-16 million rupiahs. But I return all of it. I return it back to my friends in Babinsa. I've been saying that since the beginning. Why?

The question is, why do I return it? I've been saying that since the beginning. Why? The question is, why? I'm going to put it back. Why didn't I take it from the beginning?

Why? I don't need that money.

Yes, I understand.

I'm going to be arrogant, but don't attack me. It's a small amount of money. I don't need that money. That money can be used to help a lot of people. I can make a Friday prayer there. Every Friday, and so on. It means that I, as a staff cameraman, don't use a battle. I don't use a battle. No. I don't have to ask for people's sympathy to choose me. Oh, yes. Yes.

There's no competition. No competition. I don't need to pay for it.

Right. While they need it. They need it.

They need it. Okay. If people can pay the fees and represent the DPR, I think they can do business. They can do business. But don't take all the loans.

But it's okay to do business?

Yes.

Isn't that worse?

CKPK. The job of the CKPK. The job of the Ministry of Finance.

But with the system now?

That's why it's a reset. That's the idea.

Okay. I understand. Okay.

Because if you should be there, you can compete, you have be able to compete, and have a lot of money, why do you need more money?

To get my money back.

Right?

Thank you.

You're the one who's talking.

Well, it's a public secret.

Yes, it is. But, it should be... If I want to represent the people, I should. But don't interfere with my business.

It can't be like that. And I mean, now both of them are in the same situation. They get loans and they are still in business.

That's right. And if the business...

And this is... You said, let's do business. The debt is gone. Don't take the debt, but live off the business. The reality is, both of them are gone. But they are still there.

So, it won't end.

That's why one of them is thrown away. At least one of them is thrown away first.

At least it's saved.

It's thrown away first. Right? You represent the people. If you represent the people, let's calculate the people's per capita. The people's minimum wage. The minimum wage. The minimum wage and so on.

5 million, 6 million, 10 million. Let's say 10 million. Okay, how's life? How's this? How's that? You have a business. If not, how did you participate in the competition yesterday? You have a business. If not, how are you going to participate in the competition? You have a business.

If you need a loan, I don't know where to start.

Isn't it better to do the opposite?

How?

The business can't.

The business can't?

Because it can cause conflict of interest.

Yes.

It's not fair.

Right. You'll have a lot of loans.

The loan is adjusted after that.

The loan is adjusted, the business is not allowed.

And I mean, the loan, I think the problem is not that DPR can't get a big loan, they can't be rich, for example. The problem is not that.

They can't be rich because they are a member of DPR.

Right. But I mean, okay But let's say, their support as a leader needs to be maintained. They need a certain lifestyle. I think it can be understood. I also think that it's a bad thing to be a representative of the people.

Don't choose people who are lazy.

I understand. But what I mean is...

Except for competence.

I mean, if you want to pay this much, or the take-home pay is this much.

Okay. What do you mean by giving back?

It means that the work must be proportional, it must be worthy of this.

It means giving back.

Yes.

But yesterday, the problem was the pay.

Because the work isyees didn't. So the solution is to increase the employees' salary or decrease the rent.

Why didn't you say that the employees' salary was increased?

People don't have any hope there, like I said. They don't even hope to fill the employment certificate. They don't hope to find a job. They are hopeless. They don't expect to get a job. They are hopeless. They don't believe in it. This is what happens when people don't listen to us. They even insult us. They don't believe in us anymore.

They have empathy.

Yes.

I don't agree with that.

Empathy?

I mean, don't agree with that. Empathy? I mean, don't be too hard on yourself.

So, you agree with that.

Yes, don't be too hard on yourself. I mean, I often say the wrong things. But when I say the wrong things, I just stay quiet. I don't challenge them.

You always double down on them.

I say the wrong things, and I just stay quiet. I don't keep challenging them. down 17. 17. Okay. This is actually... How to say it?

One is...

Do you want to read it one by one? The important thing is... If I'm not mistaken, one is the TNI's target from civil security.

I don't want to read it one by one.

I don't want to choose because later it will be like, oh, so you think this is better.

Okay, okay. We're wrong again.

But there is... So, you think this is better. But the point is, that's why we made the tagline Transparency, Reform, Empathy. The point is there. We want a more accountable and transparent government. Especially in funding.

And especially in how the funds are used. That's the first. The second is reform.

And this means the context is money?

Money. Money and political process.

Define it.

For example, like the RUU's corruption.

Okay. So, for example, this loan issue, when we talk about the loan, it's open.

Yes, it's transparent. The process and how to use the funds, what is it used Yes, it's transparent. The process and how to use the funds. It's transparent. The second is reformation. There are some about the quarry, then there are some about TNI,

then there are some about the political process. We need structural change.

I understand TNI and quarry. What about political structure?

The political structure?

You mean the reshuffle?

No, no. I mean the processes. It's related to the more transparent one. Because now we see the precedent. When the important discussions, the important TANG RU,

it's often nots. The process is often not transparent. So, the best practice is like that. We want to reform the process so that it's more democratic.

Like the example of RUU asset theft. The law is made openly.

Oh yeah, if this is really going to be discussed.

It's not really going to be discussed.

It was just ordered by the president, right? But I haven't seen the official response written or the next step is concrete.

Maybe he's just thinking.

What thinking? It's decided. It's been waiting for a long time. I mean... I also said that. So, you agree, right? We've been waiting for this for a long time. I mean... I said the same thing. So, you agree with that, right?

I agree.

I agree with that.

I've been agreeing with that since long ago.

But, of course, why do we have to be transparent?

Because there could be a problem.

Because the RUU Prampasat-LZ is not perfect. And when it's implemented, it has be monitored by the UUTIP Core and also the KPK's independence. Right. So, there's...

But the KPK, the Kejaksaan, everything is also...

Yes.

It's called reset.

Right. That's why there's one of the tagars, Reset Indonesia.

Yes. Reset, but not's not like everyone is replaced.

So, what is the definition of reset?

The system is fixed.

So, you agree with 17.8?

Like, if the TV is broken, the TV is not thrown away.

Fixed.

What's hit? The motherboard is hit, this is hit, reset too. What if everything is hit?

What?

If everything is hit? Buy a new one. If everything goes well, we won't have any hope. But I mean...

So, according to you, not everything goes well?

We still have hope.

According to me. According to you, where is our hope?

Our hope? Our first hope is definitely in Mr. Prabowo himself. He's the highest. If he says, I'm Beliau harus keras. Berarti sekarang belum keras. Sebenarnya udah keras, cuma nggak tau nih di bawahnya gimana nih. Tapi beliau harus keras. Keharapan satu ada di Pak Prabowo pasti.

Gua sempet ngobrol sama Felix Yau kemarin ya. Dia bilang, gua kalau jadi Pak Prabowo, gua juga gila kali. Sekarang, ini, wah keadaan begini tiba-tiba kaget gua nih. I was surprised. It should be in Pak Propo. Second, it's time... Can I leave this topic? A little bit. There were times when people flexing became a lifestyle.

Right?

Luxury car, flexing. Luxury watch, flexing. Even eating at an expensive restaurant, we'll get a steak.

Okay.

And it usually worked out in that time, when the situation was still okay. Then, usually, we sold motivator glasses. So, it worked out. But, with the current situation, it hurts the people. You flex your watch, it hurts the people. Especially if you say, -"Wow, the price is 1M." -"Especially if the money is from the people's taxes." I you do that?" Okay. Yeah, if it's Alphard's car, I still understand. But sometimes, the car that is used on the road, it can hurt the people where the situation is now.

There are many PHKs. People are also having a hard time at school. It's hard to be healthy. It's hard to eat. Why is there an MBG? Because it's hard to eat. That's the logic behind it. That's why it becomes very dangerous. Not only for the society, but even for you. The one who flex.

And if you can still flex in this situation, it feels like you don't have empathy. And it feels like like happiness is weird. I think this person is sick. In my opinion. So if you ask me, I agree.

I agree.

Yes. That's why the last point in the 1788 tagline is empathy.

Empathy. That's...

So transparency, reformation, empathy. Like this, right? That's the point.

You know what's stupid is? Sometimes, you don't need to be sincere with empathy.

Fake it.

Yes. I can't say this. I mean, bro. Bro! I understand. That's what a lot of people say. At least, it's a bit of lip service. But I said, it's okay if you pretend. But you feel it, right? The more we talk, our standards keep going down, right? Yes.

Yes, that's the reality. And with the lowest standard, it's still broken.

It's still broken now.

It means it's already too much.

It's too much.

It's too much.

But according to Om Dede, this is interesting. Om Dede is good at communication and even being held.

Friend.

What? But even the status.

It's also manhunt.

It's a manhunt status It's a manhunt, Kai. The one that holds the communication. Right?

Yes.

Okay, so you understand the communication. Why can it be like this?

Do you remember when I said, MB Gang is not good, PA. I was so angry.

Why is that? Why? Why is that?

I haven't become a status yet.

Okay, now you're reflecting on it.

That's how I'm going to be a staff member. Wait a minute. If you want to talk, wait a minute.

Do you regret talking like that?

Talking about what?

About MBG. No.

At that time, no. Because you're not a staff member yet.

Because I feel like I'm still an individual.

I can have... Well, if it hurts, it's the same as me saying K-pop. I mean, it's more dangerous to say K-pop.

I have so many questions, honestly. With these decisions. I'm curious about this. Why can DPR be like this? But I'm also curious about this, honestly.

That's why we met. But when I became a member of Sapsus, the first thing I thought was, when we talk about things related to society or government, we have to be clear. We can't hurt anyone.

There must be a protocol.

There must be a protocol or a government.

Right. So, this is what happened. What do you think happened to the Dutch?

The government? Impossible.

Right.

Okay? The government? Impossible. I want to talk roughly, but... I'm not being rude.

Here's the thing.

Bigel, yeah. I don't realize my status. I don't realize my status, so I don't have empathy.

Correct me, sorry. I have a Gua punya social media itu gua pisah. So, statusnya sendiri, guanya sendiri. Makanya kalau ada acara pot-up tuh, ketawa ke TV, ngatain orang, gua bercanda-canda sama Fidi dan sebagainya, mulut gua kemana-mana, adanya di situ. Di sini, ngomongnya harus beda. Jadi, gua memisahkan antara ini dan ini. I have to say it differently. I separate this and that. Like now, when we talk on TV, I separate it. Because if I don't, I can't say it like this.

I separate these two. But when you bring a sign, then you need to care about everything you say. Maybe you can say offended once or twice.

Right. But what we see now...

But, sorry, I cut it. You can be offended.

Yes.

But insulting the people is another level.

Yes. And what we see now is not being offended. On purpose. Yes. Yes. Why? I think it's because they feel that there will be no consequences. That's why they can do whatever they want.

Is that right?

Sorry, I cut you off. I'm just trying to find out. DPR members can't be ETE'd and so on? I don't know that.

Let me see.

What's the legal status?

Huh?

That's interesting. I've never looked into that.

Because maybe, that's giving a metaphor of power. What is it? The right to immunity of the DPR.

There is no such thing?

There is. It can't be demanded in the court because of the statement. That's it. Read it.

Wow.

Wow.

Wow.

Wow. So. Wow.

So, my hypothesis is correct.

I can still demand.

Yes.

The right of the TPR community is the right of the TPR community to not be challenged in court because of statements, questions, or opinions that are delivered both verbally and written in order to fulfill the function, task, and responsibility as a representative, both inside and outside the committee.

Crazy.

So, my hypothesis is won't happen. What? I think there won't be any consequences.

Yeah.

I feel like there won't be any consequences. Yeah. And I guess there's a chance that it won't happen through the UUIT. But I think they're also trying to make it easier for the people. Like, the people are also angry. But this is not about UUIT because it can't be imposed.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. I think it's a bit of a shame for the people. Like, people are angry. But this is not about UU ITE because it can't be demanded.

Yes. Yes, yes, yes.

The definition of can't be demanded is dangerous.

So, it means all of them, right? Not just UU ITE?

Try it.

I thought it was specifically for UU ITE.

This is the purpose.

What is the purpose? Read it. I don't think so. I don't think so. But here it is written that the government is not a threat to the people. But here it is written that the government is not a threat to the people. But here it is written that the government is not a threat to the people. But here it is written that the government is not a threat to the people. But here it is written that the government is not a threat to the people. But here it is written that the government is not a threat to the people. I don't think so. But is it written here that the government can't demand it? No, right?

Yes, it means that... Okay, that's the purpose, the government can use the law.

Okay, that's the goal, right?

But this is in the UU ITE, right?

This is in the Law of Law 45.

Oh, okay.

Article 20A, verse 3. Not UU ITE, then?

The legal basis is this.

What is the goal?

Law 45, Article 20A.

So that he can represent the people with a lot of power. Preventing the misuse of legal information

is given to protect legislative members from the possibility of misuse of information by the authorities.

Yes, yes.

Yes, yes. We understand.

And actually it's important. Because they should be representatives of the people. But what we see is a mis see is an anomaly.

But...

This is when we talk about specifically insulting this.

Yes, yes. But if we talk about it like that, the power given to Superman can be used twice, right?

Right. That's why... I don't know. Maybe there are other rules in other countries.

We have to learn.

I don't know. Of course.

But maybe one of it.

I don't know. But I see it as if the people are angry. What can it be? There is something like that. And that's actually already very disconnected. Because actually their job is to represent the people. And they are paid to enjoy the facilities from the people's tax money. So, this is actually just a private person,

for example, the boss in a private company, just talking to the employee.

Wow, it's on Twitter.

That's too much. Or maybe you can talk to your friends. That's already too much. Especially when you're a representative of the people.

Yes. There are steps.

Even if it's to your friends... So, I think this time, it has been going on for a long time. Frustration, anger, every time I open my phone, I see the headline that makes me dizzy. There is a crazy Blender, then they say it's help, and then the taxes are going to be raised, and then there are the demolition, and so on. It's all piled up. And actually, people want...

We want to see the government, our leaders. What can we do to help us? But instead, it's't get any help. They didn't get any help. At least they tried to find empathy. But they didn't get any. Instead, they were given the opposite. So, this anger didn't happen overnight.

My friend said this. Do you know why this is such a big issue? Why? Because usually when people are tired, stressed, or angry, they get a BLT. Not a funeral.

What's a BLT?

A help for the funeral. That kind of help. Usually when people are stressed, can't eat, can't do anything, they come to the BLT. This time, they're being scolded.

And not only that. In my opinion, just giving BLT is an assumption that only the lower class people are annoyed. All of us are annoyed. I'm annoyed too.

My friends are annoyed too. I'm also annoyed. My friends are also annoyed.

I'm also annoyed.

Om Deddy is also annoyed.

I'm annoyed.

Om Deddy can't be given a BLT, right?

Yes, that's right.

Everyone is already angry. You can't be pissed off like that.

When I saw that, I was like, why? Why? You can go anywhere because of that.

Why?

It's only usable, right? This is a hard work, building this podcast. Feed the workers, with a good salary, this is good, everything. Hard work. Then they are being taxed.

Yes.

Then after that, see what the tax is used for.

Well... But if DPR is talking nonsense, it should be the MKD, the court of the Lord. Oh, like this. Like... No.

Dhani was arrested yesterday, right?

Yes, MKD.

Ahmad Dhani was arrested, right?

Yes, so there must be a penalty.

Yes, yes.

For limited immunity.

But he didn't do anything, right?

It can be recommended for the parties to withdraw.

Okay, anyway I want to discuss that. Is it deactivated? Or have they withdrawn?

From what I read, from the original legal text, non-active doesn't mean deactivated.

Non-active means it can be activated again, right?

Yes, actually's actually... Someone even said that the term is not there.

It's not there?

Yes. What does that mean? I don't know. Because they still receive salary, salary pay. That's why there's another request from the party to stop. To stop that. It means that non-active means they're on vacation.

Right? I mean, it's a holiday. If you still get a salary, but you can't work, it's a holiday. It's not a punishment, right?

But they said they would stop the salary.

They just asked for it.

They just asked for it.

I haven't seen it yet.

Oh, the payment must be paid first. di Sidang dulu. NKD Sidang dulu. Dia ditentukan melanggar kode etik dan lain-lain.

Pecat dari DPR apa dari Parpol?

DPR.

Kalau pecat dari Parpol kayaknya urusan ketuanya doang. Iya, pakai PAW. Go, go lah. Pasti. Okay. Now, do you think that this is already starting to loosen up? Or what's going to happen next? I know the answer is going to depend on what they do.

Yes. Does this mean that the government is loosening up?

No. The people.

What I see is not loosening. There is still anger and demands. But we prioritize safety first. Because until now, there are already 10 people who died. This is not very conducive.

But I'm also confused. Sometimes I see news like yesterday, the mothers who wore pink jewels. It was amazing. They were so cool. Now, the video is about the provocation of gasoline. So, we have to wait for something to happen.

How long do we have to wait?

Of course, it will happen. But I think it's not a problem.

If it's postponed, it's postponed.

Yes, it can be. But as Om Deddy said, the most important thing is to postpone it after it explodes. We have to focus on why it explodes.

Yes, but why am I saying this? Because if this is postponed, I believe it will be postponed. Because if it's this big, there will be a lot of people who want to join.

There will be people who want to take advantage of it.

Yes, the business will be chipped in. There will be people like that. The victims will be massacred in the apparatus and so on. That's why the station and so on. That's why the deaths and so on.

But the point is, this keeps happening. Because the government's response is slow. Why not on the first day? Or the incident that caused the explosion was on the night of the 28th. Why not on the 29th? Or do we need to wait until the 30th?

No. So, what is unfortunate is that the response was slow. And when responding, it didn't address the root of the problem that caused the explosion. And again, this is not only about... At first, it was mainly about the DPR. But there was also about the violence of the apparatus. Which really made it worse.

It was a tipping point.

It was really bad. And I think it's lucky that the video was caught. And this is not my opinion, is lucky that we caught the video. And this is not new, unfortunately.

This is like the Black Lives Matter incident.

How was it? It exploded.

One person was hit by a machine.

But unfortunately, we remember the Kanjuruhan incident.

What was the problem? But the Kanjuruhan did not explode like this. I'm The video is a bit weird. Which video? The video of the crash.

What's weird?

Well, in my opinion, if I drive that car, I drive slowly, I can't do anything.

Right, this is really fast.

Yes, I mean, if I drive that car, I drive 30 km per hour, I will get hit by a car. If I get hit, I have driven so far.

And the worst thing is, it has stopped.

I mean, if you don't turn left, you will get hit. But they have their own reasons. That's why they are being inspected. I don't know about that. Honestly, when I see it, I feel a bit sad. But it will continue to the DPR in Makassar or wherever. It will finally be burned and so on. So, the more victims, the more...

But what I think should be highlighted is that this protest is not only... We can see how much the Indonesian people love the protest.

Why?

Because if not, they won't risk their lives. They won't risk their lives knowing the risks. And if you look at it, not only in Indonesia, but also abroad. Diaspora, diaspora.

Yes, yes, yes. They are gathering.

They are also gathering. What are their benefits? They are not at a loss. They're gathering. They're also gathering, they're speaking out. What are they lucky for?

They're not at a loss. They don't feel it either.

They don't feel it either. But they speak out. Some of them were even born abroad. Some of them have been abroad for a long time. And then, I personally, with my friends in Warisap Indonesia,

we've been, forbarin informasi, bikin konten untuk ngebantu orang ngelawan hoax apa segala. Dan itu semua tuh dilakuin atas kemauan untuk kita ngeliat, oke ini nih ada, ada oportunitas untuk bisa negara ini opportunity to make this country better. By this... And this anger.

Okay.

Usually, because of this anger, the government listens more. More than usual. So, let's push this. Me and my friends, too. I see a lot of influencers. Even my friend, she's a makeup artist or a TikToker.

Almost everyone. Who never speaks English, but they speak English. And they want to educate themselves very seriously. This is... but what else if not showing us love for our country?

If I... I want to post something, actually. Okay. I want to post something. But I can't wait to see it. I want to write something like this. People have been fighting to get rid of the provocation. I told him, I'm ready to save Indonesia. And I'm also willing to do it. The demo is already measured.

Wow, that's an effort for the people to help, to protect the people. And then there are those who want to burn public facilities. Arrested, secured.

Yes, all the provocateurs are arrested.

And the anti-racism campaign is socialized. That's huge. This is really amazing.

The people have done something amazing. Now it's the government's turn to show their power.

Yes, we have exhausted all avenues.

Yes, the people are amazing. They help each other, they back up each other. Now, it's the government's turn to show their promises. That's what it should be.

What will happen?

Maybe I'll get phone call after that. But why did you want to do this podcast episode? When I was asked by Mr. Shafri to be the host of Sapsos Menhan, Asia Free, and the Manhattan subsidy. He said, we should keep the unity. We should keep the unity. It won't happen if we don't listen to people. We should keep the unity. It won't happen if we don't see what is really happening. We should keep the unity. It won't the unity if the government doesn't change.

Okay. I have a question. The people are dead, as you said. But we are outside. There are people inside, including you. Are the people inside also trying to push Apakah orang-orang di dalam ini juga berusaha nge-push? Atau apa mereka kayak mempertahankan status quo? Ini dari Om Deddy lihat deh.

Honestly ya. Honestly ya. Banyak yang berusaha nge-push. Banyak yang berusaha nge-push. Termasuk gua salah satunya. Why am I doing this? So, if you want to say, Oh, I'm doing this because I'm worried or scared, etc. Before it happens, a day before it happens, my podcast with Mr. Mahfud, talking about this.

This?

Yes. Talking about this because of corruption, etc. Mr. Mahfud, if you talk about it, you know it yourself, right? Before, I talked with Ustaz Felik about corruption, and Hajj, and so on. The protests against the government, and so on. I did a lot of protests against the government.

I did a lot of things in this podcast. Feri Irwan did... Close the door? If you want to talk, you know. If you want to ask, go. Go for it. Go for it.

I make this podcast so that... If this podcast is heard, right? Yes. The reach is big.

Right?

And if I'm there, what will they say?

Okay.

The people inside won't be heard, right? There are a lot of people who are struggling. There are also a lot of walls.

I'm interested. It's okay if I ask again.

It's okay.

Om Daddy is actually inside.

Not really inside.

I understand, but he's inside. There's a connection. Why... But Om Daddy chose to push through the inside. There's a connection. Why did you choose to push through the podcast? Instead of the inside.

There are many walls.

So, is it more effective to push from the outside than from the inside?

Both. Both. So, we push it inside. Here's the thing, Abigail. I don't know if I'm saying this wrong or right.

You can edit it later if it's wrong.

No need to edit it. If it's dangerous, don't do it. I'm afraid too. No, no, no. It won't be dangerous. The NKRI's integrity, right? The context, right?

Yes.

Okay. I'm in the Ministry of Defense, I'm in charge of NKRI's integrity, right? Yes.

Okay, that's the context.

Why isn't there anyone, I don't want to say DPR's members or anyone, who is not just a random person, I don't want to talk about the DPR members or anyone else. Don't just talk about the people who were found. Or the activists yesterday. Let's discuss it. I don't know if it's already there or not.

Yes, Mr. Brebo yesterday gathered several people from various backgrounds to be interviewed to talk, and so on. But there are many millennials and generations that have extraordinary ideas that can be discussed. Because if I look at the future, the friends who will fight and Indonesia will be a gold or a diamond in the future. Why don't we open for them to talk? I really want to do that.

And if I do this and it doesn't work, I'm doing my best. And I will talk inside. Like this. But to talk, temboknya banyak, bos. Dalam sebuah pemerintahan itu banyak orang dengan kepentingan-kepentingan tertentu. Itu rahasia umum. Di semua pemerintahan. Di Konoha, di Amerika, punya kepentingan-kepentingan tertentu. I… If you ask me why, I'm sad.

Sad because of the state of the country? I have a child. He's 20 years old. He's studying at UI. He's going to college. I'm going Tapi, gue khawatir sama lu. Nggak, go for it. Tapi nggak semudah itu. Ya gue paham maksudnya dia. Kan dilemanya jadi besar banget. Ya kalau Ferry Irwandi, I was in the closet door.

But I just went down. This is different. And then, she asked, What actually happened? Why? It's the same as you asked.

You were inside. Can you fix it?

Or at least push from the inside. at least push from the inside.

Or at least push from the inside. I said to myself, I try my best. And there are many people inside who try their best.

So, the wall is as big as that.

But, we are not that powerful.

It can happen. We are not that powerful.

It can happen. So, according to you, is there still hope?

After this happened, there should be hope. If I say there is no hope, I think we are really confused. There should be hope.

So, we can see how the response is. It's already this bad, if there is have any hope. I think we're really in a hurry. We should be. So, we'll see how the response is. It's already this bad. If there's still no hope.

I've said it here. I've said I agree with everything. I agree with everything. Okay, even though there are some that I... But it's a bit difficult to do.

So, it's not that you don't agree, but... you're not sure you can do it?

Yeah, because it's too complicated. Especially with a term that's so fast. But it's negotiable. Basically, it's negotiable.

It's okay. It means that we agree, but it's just a technical problem.

It's just technical. Yeah, when I read it, I thought it was good. I thought it was a bit difficult. But it's negotiable. I mean, I'm here, I'm talking, and I'm a deep person, in your opinion. If this is not heard, then what do I want?

Yeah.

Yeah, worst case.

I'm confused. I'm confused, Om. Why is it so hard to ask for accountability in this country?

For some people, especially. I'm asking for accountability in this country. For some people, especially.

It's like, what is it?

It's already this bad, and you still can't get it. Even though there should be a process that can be run.

Okay, please explain in a lighter language.

Okay.

Accountability. Consequences. I mean, we have to know.

I understand. I mean, when... For example, in a company, when we do something, there are laws, there are consequences. For example, if you're always late, your salary will be reduced.

There are many actors who have clearly violated the law or committed a crime. But why is it so hard to ask for a law that is in accordance with the country's decision to implement.

If you want my honest answer, I think if it was done, the interest would not be in the past one year. I was attracted to it. And to do that, a country can be destroyed. You know what I mean?

Okay.

In my opinion.

In your opinion? Okay.

In my personal opinion. Because, I don't want to talk about it. Now, there are rumors about Risha Khalid. He was accused of this and that. I don't want to go there because I don't know. But is megacorruption being dismantled in this era? Yes. Is the risk big? Yes. Is it that many people don't like it? Yes. If you're attracted to it, yes. If you're attracted to it, it means that you have Sandra Menyandra, it can happen. So, if you say it's a lie, I think it's a lie.

Okay. I understand if it's a case of corruption. I understand. But let's take an easy example, for example, the one who is wrongly speaking. The Dutch. The one who is talking nonsense, the people are watching.

That doesn't seem to be a drawback, right, sir?

No, no. Not that. Not that.

But why does it have to be like this? Then we ask for a reduction. Not even non-active, whatever that means. Or like, the salary. Wait, wait, wait. Abigail.

That's also an apology after a house was destroyed.

Right. Even to apologize too. I mean, it's so disproportionate.

Right?

Right?

Apologize after there's a victim, right?

And why didn't the top, like, like, beg for forgiveness? Why did it have to be destroyed first, then apologize? You know what I mean? I do. Why? This won't drag anyone, Om.

I was honest when Roni's house was hit. I was like, why did it end up in jail? Of course I was disappointed. I mean, it's not allowed. It's not allowed. But if we talk to the people,

this is a violation of the asset. I don't agree. You don't agree either, right?

No, I don't agree.

Okay, we both don't agree, right? No. Okay. But after that happened, after that happened, Eko apologized.

Syaroni hasn't apologized yet, right?

Syaroni hasn't. But, sorry, those Twitter accounts that use Syaroni's name everywhere, I don't think it's him. No, it's not. It's impossible. So, don't look at him. Now, the one who's crazy is FlashDisk.

It's not certain. It can be a source of issues too. In my opinion, I don't know. But after that happened, then Uya apologized. Nafa Urbah apologized. Eko apologized. After that happened.

Yes, after that.

And the context is when Eko Minta Maaf was accompanied by Pasha.

Yes.

Why? Because Pasha was praised by the people.

So, it's like to give trust.

Trust. But that came out after a house was bombed.

That's why I think... This is actually an important point that Om Bede brought up. Not only why it's hard to get the consequences according to the consequences, according to the rules. Why are there so many actors who are having a hard time taking responsibility for their actions? Like,

this is what I think is weird. Indonesians are easily offended, right? We really care about what people say. But on the other hand, we don't care. Like, oh, I don't care what people say. There's this, there's that.

Because this is actually very counter, very opposed to Indonesian culture, you could say. Where people are already very angry with them. But they don't care.

Actually, if it's an apology, when it happens, I might not be as angry as this.

I don't think you'll be as angry as this.

But what happened at that time, it's a clarification.

Double down first. Double down. Why does it feel like responsibility is very difficult for some people?

Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. I had an incident yesterday. Not a DPR. You know. They said I was stupid. They said, this person is stupid, that person is stupid. Which one? There was a young people.

I swear I didn't follow it.

Like this.

Okay, it's okay.

Okay. I told him, I told him like this. I think it's also trash. But there are two things. In my opinion, this trash still has 50% of people defending my opinion, I won't apologize.

Because it means that this is an opinion. It can be wrong or right. But if it's 70% wrong, I will apologize immediately.

Especially if it's 100%.

Especially if it's 100%, I will apologize immediately. I told this person, you are 100% wrong. The only way you apologize, because when you apologize with a soft heart, Indonesians are easy to forgive. And then you go on with your life.

Do you know what the answer is? I don't want to.

Why?

It will ruin my branding.

But, isn't your branding already ruined?

What else do you want to ruin? But, I mean, maybe if he apologizes, so next time he does something, he will be blamed again. If he doesn't apologize, and will survive from not apologizing. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

Not always.

Maybe that's why I try to hold it in. I'm like, ***.

So, there are many people with that kind of mentality.

People with power and brand that high.

Why are you obsessed with branding?

I'm just a person who talks about branding. He wants to make his branding like that. If we talk about the branding of someone who represents the people, I don't know what to do.

Yeah. Especially, the representative of the people is definitely one of the main goals to be chosen again, right? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know. Why? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why? Then, he apologized. He didn't want to.

The path of God. What?

The path of God.

So that he won't be chosen again?

So that he can fix the country. God works in a mysterious way.

So, like the story of Moses and Pharaoh, they hardened his heart. So that he would fall. Right.

Maybe according to Ustaz Velik, maybe like this, every eye is open. He will stay like that. He's not alone. That's what Oknum's story is. It will be like that. It will be like that. Psychologically, it will be like that. Which is now, not at the moment.

So, they're right. The theory is right. Okay, let's look for...

What do you mean by the theory is right?

Like this, who is it? Masyafelli, for example. Like that. Nishe.

Yes, what do you mean by that? The context is like that. He didn't say that he was a tolol.

No, no.

No, he didn't say that he was a tolol. I mean...

He can say that he's a tolol.

When he was in JDPR, he wasn't.

Yeah, but Nisheh's context is that he... ...doesn't care. That's the context. I do what I do. That's how it is. You know Nishe's style.

I can't explain it. I understand. The eccentric person.

I'm the one.

I don't know.

The right government. Even when she talks about the right government, she has to be like this. That's Nishe. That's what Nishe did.

But that's Nishe.

Not DPR that has to be chosen again.

Exactly. Maybe Nishe is right. In the time, at the moment, at the time. Maybe DPR members are right to do that. Keep the branding, didn't apologize. Because they think it's cool. They think it's cool, maybe.

The problem is, the momentum is wrong. Even though it's wrong, not apologizing is wrong. But the problem is, whatever it is, it's wrong. We're cool that Lamborghini, you let people through who are in trouble, who can't eat, the momentum is wrong. Yes. That's the wrong momentum.

Yeah.

That's the wrong momentum. You're saying... It's like this. Dissolving the DPR is... For example, dissolving the DPR is stupid. DPR can't be dissolved, right?

If you think it can't. It's very complicated. And we need the DPR. So, what he said is true. can, it's very complicated. And we need DPR. So, what he said is true.

No, it's not.

What he said is true, without the tolol.

The one who wants to dissolve DPR is not Tolol.

Yes, it's true.

It's complicated.

Yes, it's complicated.

Not Tolol.

That's wrong.

The context of DPR being dissolved is separated, that's true. True, but that's not what he said. True, we need DPR, that's true.

True, yes, DPR is true.

DPR is true, we are true. Hahaha. I'm tired of talking to you. Annoying.

Are you regretting not inviting me?

No, the problem is... True, I understand it's true. But the point is, it's true.

Which one?

If there's no word for it, it's true, Abigail.

What does he say without the word for it? He only says, people who ask for a favor, ask for it. If there's no word for it, there's no discussion.

Is that right?

It should be talking about this. I think you should.

Maybe I should be like this.

I'll be like him.

Not being wise.

I'll be like him.

I learned this from Mr. Mahfud. DPR is not easily distributed. If you distribute DPR, then there will be full power in one person. If there is full power in one person, then you can do this and that. That's why we need DPR. So, don't just talk about DPR. Learn about it first.

Why are you talking like that? It's okay.

That's the goal. It's the same.

No, I'm not sure that's the goal. I think the goal not the goal. I think that's not the goal. I think that's what he should say.

Maybe it's in his brain.

No. I think that's not what he's saying.

What's in his brain? He's not going to say, suddenly he's going to say, he's going to say,

he's going to say, he's going to say, he's in. Suddenly, he wants to do a roll on the racket. It's impossible. He's out of the racket.

And he didn't look regretful. He even doubled down on social media. It means he didn't regret it.

No, he didn't double down. He finished it there.

Before, when people were angry, he still doubled down.

He said, I mean, Tolol is smart.

Yes, especially when he took pictures on the motorcycle, and he screenshot comments, saying, this is cool. That means he doesn't regret it. It means he agrees with what was said.

I can't defend it. I can't defend myself. I can't defend myself. Let's just drink coffee.

What is coffee?

Promotion?

Read it.

It's true.

I don't want to go that way.

Just talk about coffee.

Just talk about coffee.

Mardika.

This is your coffee?

Yes, my coffee. My husband's coffee.

Mardika is from the word merdeka.

Correct.

Why did it become mardika?

Ah, this too.

The root of the word merdeka is mardika.

Oh, I just found out. Seriously? Yes. I'm sorry. Maaf. Bacaan kita beda-beda. Gak gitu juga. Lu mau ngomong gua tolong kan?

Lu katain gua tolong kan?

Gua impress. Lucu aja kayak sekaget itu.

Serius?

Gua abis baca itu, terus gua ngeblank. Gua gak punya tujuan itu. Ini debat, bukan masalahnya itu. Why don't you have that goal? This is a debate, not that problem. Okay, okay. Thank you. I was brought coffee by him. Seriously. I drink coffee every morning.

So, the happiness of my life is waking up in the morning, taking soda water. I have a soda machine. He made it himself. I know. I have soda water. I have a soda machine. I made it myself.

Oh, I know. I have one too.

If you buy canned soda, sometimes there's sodium in it. So I made a soda machine. I poured a little bit of it.

Then I made coffee.

Oh, the one that you mixed? Yes, so the coffee has a taste. I really like it. I sat down. I wake up at 5 in the morning. I wake up at 5 in the morning, look at the sun.

Sorry. I just can't laugh.

I hate this person

I remember that Do you know that The one who said

The one who said

The morning routine

But I didn't make the video

I told you

So that's how it is in real life

Every morning

What's wrong?

No.

No, I don't like this.

No, there's nothing wrong.

I don't like this.

What's wrong? I'm just... The video is just... playing in my brain.

You imagine my face while making the video.

No, no. I don't think so. I don't want to talk about it. I don't think so.

I don't want to talk about it.

No, I don't think so.

I'm talking about your coffee. You're so rude. I'm helping you. This is good coffee. I want to try it. I hope you like it.

No, I don't.

I'm so stupid.

No, I'm sorry.

No, I'll talk there tomorrow at noon. I won't try the coffee. I don't care. No, I just, it's not that I laugh at Om Dad's morning routine.

I just remember the real thing.

Because I think it was really funny.

I think that was really intentional. You set up the camera yourself, woke up and slept by yourself, and lifted the surprise

by yourself.

And he jumped into the pool for two minutes. There was jame, right? He was so determined. He set up the camera himself, woke up and slept by himself, and lifted the mattress by himself. And then he jumped into the pool for two minutes.

There was a jammeh, right?

Yeah, I jumped into the pool too.

Okay, so no, no. Not insulting. Not laughing, no.

Mahardika means rich, prosperous, and strong. What do you mean, Bim? This is Mardika.

Mardika. What's the word for Mardika? Mardika. Huh?

Don't make me add a word.

Don't make me add a word.

Okay, okay.

Don't do that.

Freedom.

Oh, so you're free. So I drink like it in the morning. I have to finish this story. I drank coffee, watched the sunrise. And then, to get rid of my tiredness, I swam. For two minutes. He swam. It's really similar. I don't know. I know too. But I don't have a goal there.

Okay, keep going.

Okay.

Damn it.

I'll send you the video tomorrow.

No need.

Can you edit it later? There is a video.

There is a video.

But there is no 2 minutes.

Yes.

No, I mean the video that I laughed at, not the video. Oh, the video. Oh, okay. I'm So there's a reason why he laughed. Not to insult. Oh, to insult because he's not a member of the DPR.

If it's reported.

If it's reported, yes.

It won't be reported.

Okay.

Go on.

I just...

But yeah, okay.

It's good.

Good.

I hope you like it.

But I do like coffee. Do you know about coffee... ...coffee... ...cold brew?

I know. I like it.

Why?

It's good.

Your answer is so bad. Why do you like it? It's good. You like it and it's good, it's the same.

Yeah. It's supposed. You like it and it's delicious, it's the same.

Yeah. What should be the answer?

You like it because it's delicious.

Oh, you mean like the answer of a coffee connoisseur, because it tastes like this.

You know, your husband understands coffee. Why is cold brew delicious?

My husband, Jeffrey, is a roasting. I'm not a coffee expert. But, I like cold brew. But, it's not my favorite. So, I don't really think about why I like it.

What's your favorite?

My favorite is... I like Americano,, latte, etc. And I like it more if, for example, I want to talk about coffee, the beans are medium dark.

The roasting.

There's still the smell, right? Yes, there's the bitterness. And I actually like to mix Arabica Robusta. Not pure Arabica. There's a hint of Robusta because it's more full-bodied.

Yes, yes.

And if it's medium dark, the notes are more like...

I don't understand anymore.

Chocolate. After that, it's more savory chocolate and it's more suitable to be mixed with milk. Because I like latte. But if the coffee is roasted, for example, medium-medium light, usually the result is fruity. It's more suitable for pour-over, less suitable for milk.

Yes, because there is the fragrance. But cold brew is harder.

Oh, is that so?

Yes.

So cold brew, because it's cold, right?

It's called cold brew. Yes, it's called cold brew. So, I don't know the process. But I also don't know the process. But I also can't imagine if I don't use cold water, it's weird. It's called a stove. So, I'm sure I'll use cold water.

Hey, you can serve it cold, it'll be better.

I don't know.

But...

Why am I more upset about this than the DPR discussion?

So, what if it's back?

Yeah, okay. Made in the cold season.

You're all stupid. By the way, how long has this podcast been? Why isn't it over?

80 minutes.

It's been a long time.

Okay, Abigail. What are your hopes? I'll ask it on TV. What are your hopes for the future of our government?

Transparent.

Again. Yes, because it's been thought about for a long time. for our government? Transparent.

Again.

Yes, because it has been thought for a long time.

Transparent.

Yes, a more transparent government.

Empathy.

Then, appreciate reform and have empathy.

Do you believe that our economy will not increase by 5.2%?

There is doubt. And even if it's true,, it raises a more vital question. If it's true, why is it not felt by the people?

There is a theory. There is a theory that there is new income that is not transferable. Like online sales on TikTok.

You mean, it's not transferable?

One, the tax hasn't been paid yet. And? The second, it's not visible.

Oh, so that means it's counted.

If it's counted, he said.

So, five?

I don't know. There's a theory that says that. Because now everyone can sell on TikTok or whatever. But I don't think it's that bad. Yes, there is a theory like that. What did you do after you sniffed?

No.

No, you were like this. No. Yes. We'll see the video later. Don't cut it, just leave it. I didn't sniff.

Maybe I was rubbing my lips. You were rubbing your lips. I'm Oh, yeah. It's big. The airport. Who's the airport, Om? I don't know. Let's just say it. But, thank you.

Thank you.

I really appreciate you want to come here and talk about this. Because I really want to do this so that... My only hope is... If you say I'm a deep person and I'm not heard or I don't change anything, it means that maybe I'm not that deep.

Yes, and I mean, you don't have to wait for a deep person to speak until you're heard.

Yes.

Yes, anyway.

But I still have hope.

I hope so. If it's like this, and you's not being goobrised, I'm confused.

She's confused. I hope so. And I think I want to do a podcast with her again. I don't think I need to say this. I can say something else.

Like what?

Coffee? My coffee knowledge is already... I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. I really concerned about that. It's a very concerning for me too. It's very important. My wife is taking care of the kids now. And the more she takes care of the kids, the more she is sad. Then she gave me the video this morning. It turns out that the more I go in there, the more I see how deep the problem is.

That's what's sad. In all sectors, the deeper it is, the more people respond like that.

That's it.

Why?

When it comes in.

And it's usually the same problem.

That's it.

It's like there's corruption. Yes. After that, it's like that. I'm sorry. I can't go down. Why?

If I just do this, it's full of risks. But I'm going to win. Because we're all human. I'm not sure. Why? If I just do this, it's risky. But I'm going to win. We support our friends on the road. As long as we don't get involved in the Oknum, as long as we have an amazing inspiration, and hopefully it can change.

I think if it's true, our government also wants our country to progress. The country we want to progress is only the ones who take advantage of it. So hopefully there is still hope. Thank you, Abigail. Thank you, Abigail.

Thank you.