KONSPIRASI SEJARAH KEPERCAYAAN - Escape Eps 10 (ft Nessie Judge, Felix Siauw, Koiyo Cabe, Verren)

What is the deepest horror movie?

Religious horror

What horror movie I watched?

Twilight

That's a vampire, right?

I mean, I'm not sure

So, in the ghost movie, when the ghost dies, the ghost's soul comes out And it can walk through the wall I said, it's better if we die Why?

Because we can...

So, I saw that religion is only to control humans Oh, you thought about that so Honestly, I was not religious I said, God is bullshit, sorry Religion is bullshit Finally I left my religion and I'm not God Why is his name Nessy?

Or what is his name?

Oh no, no, no

Loch Ness What are you talking about, Fern? Oh, yeah. Today we're going to open it like this. What?

Try it.

Try it.

How do I do it?

Try it.

I'm so embarrassed.

You've been waiting for this for years. Your face is red.

You've been waiting for this for years.

Let's do it.

I'm so embarrassed. I'm so embarrassed. How was it? Try it. You've been waiting for this for years. Your face is red. You've been waiting for this for years.

How was it?

I'm shy.

It's just a rehearsal.

She's the OG.

She's the OG.

How was it?

How was it? What did you say?

What did you say?

She taught us.

She taught us.

Before Nessy came, you guys were like this.

Try the right one.

I'm shy.

I'm shy, I swear.

This is the right side that is shy.

I'm a fan of Nessy.

Say it. Try it. I'm a fan of Nessie. Every time I watch her videos, I like to watch this.

Maybe you already memorized it.

Wait, you like Nessie, right? What episode do you like?

Actually, there's no episode.

Choose one.

Choose one. Choose one. The one that Nessy read is Reddit. Reddit, right? The one that reads horror stories. The one that reads horror stories. Creepypasta.

Creepypasta and 911.

How did you open it?

Let me fix it if I'm wrong.

I'm embarrassed.

I'm wrong? You're embarrassing! Shit about to go down.

Everyone, please follow her.

Right or left first?

I forgot. Like this?

Like this, then this, then this.

I forgot.

Let's follow her. Oh, I have to do this

Yes

Let's do it

I have to do this?

But you have to follow me

Yes, I will follow you You have to start from the most important part

What is it?

You have to stop smiling Oh yes, stop smiling She's about to go down

That's it

Oh, I see

This is how it is

Why are you doing this? Who are you flirting with? Down. Down. Oh, like that. Like this. Yes.

Why are you like this?

Who are you flirting with?

Why are you like this?

Repeat it, Ver.

Is it right?

Is it right?

Stop smiling.

You have to stop smiling too.

Like this.

Don't.

Stop smiling.

It's been a long time.

The segment is long.

So, what seats do we have to go down today? Yes, what do we have to go down today? Today, we will discuss, breaking the conspiracy of the history of belief.

If possible, at the beginning...

It's perfect to invite Nesy, right?

Yes. But, indeed...

The queen of conspiracy.

There must be a story teller,

wherever it is.

If asked about the three 3 or 5 inspirations, I'll definitely say Nessie Judge. But why is it called Nessie Judge? Is there a connection with Judge Bow?

It's actually a family name.

Really? I thought it was a stage name.

No, no, no. Judge is a family name.

Judge?

Yes, so all my siblings are called Judge.

So, you can't need to be judged. You don't need to be judged. It's a birthright to be judged. So it's like Judge Bao.

No, it's Hakim Bao.

That's crazy. It's an old show. No one knows.

Hakim Bao.

Showing age. We can discuss it later.

The age is here.

I'll reset it later I'll reset it later

But how long have you been doing Youtube?

I started making content in 2013

How old are you?

I'm 19

I started in 2018 I made the channel in 2016 What about my favorite show in your channel?

That was 2013

That's awesome

I've known it since 2013

So I watched Nessy, people like it because of the horror stories I like his vlogs when he was in Finland

Don't look for it, please don't look for it

Okay, we will look for it Please don't look for it

What did you use in 2013? Camera or what?

Yes, I used DSLR

It's so heavy Oh, I still remember that That's a fitness training Yes, or pocket camera

That's still in the old days

2013, right? How long have you been on YouTube?

It's been a long time

2006

It's been a long time. 2006.

That's crazy. It's been a long time. I can't imagine you've been doing this for 13 years. I was in my fifth or sixth year. Now?

On YouTube.

Five years. So, it's the same as us. I was active in 2018. I was COVID-19 a year after. 2021. Yes, 2021.

I started in 2018 I got more likes

after the covid

But at that time, you already had specialization in education I did, but not in storytelling I was more into sketching

You started with horror?

No

I did vlog

I did vlog Finland When it a regular content What else? I can make regular content And we can be a community Like one thing

I like horror since I was a kid I like all the mystery Things that have question marks That's like my thing I like to discuss with people. Finally in 2016, I think I graduated from college.

I rented a place to make a video, to look for scenes. Then, I was like, let's try it. Discuss horror, people like it or not.

2016?

I think it was 2016 or early 2017 I was like, let's try it One video, and from the first video

people were like, next week we'll talk about horror again Do you still remember what was the first video?

For horror

I remember So it was a scary history chat It was Annie96 So I read the horror story I was already sh Annie 96 So I read the horror stories

I was shivering just by her talking So it's not just the story?

The story

Try Annie 67 now

It's so scary

So that's it

Annie 96, was she killed or murdered?

No, it's just a mystery story So we follow the trend From the first, people really like it. Until my biggest segment, Nerror, it's not me who made it.

So people were like, let's find a name. Then the name of the people who like Nerror, Nerrorist, all of them are... viewers who made it. But the community is really strong, Nerrorist. This is one of the Nero Riz. But if you ask the favorite, you will forget.

I know. Creepypasta. I like the story about the creepypasta. What's the second one? I like the story about 911.

What's the story? I forgot the story.

The camera is shaking.

You remember too.

I just listen to...

There are a lot.

Now, it's storytelling. I listen to Hilton.

Yes. In storytelling, we talk about history.

Yes. History.

History breakdown. Let's talk about this topic. After we watched the movie Heretic.

Of course. Yes.

After watching the movie, she got curious. Because Islam is the last monotheism religion that appeared. After Judaism and Christianity. We talked about it yesterday. Is it a movie or a heretic?

Horror.

It's not horror.

Psychological horror. There's a scene that proves that the Virgin Mary... No, who is that girl? Who? I one that was...

I don't know, I just watched it.

I don't know.

I just watched it.

I don't know.

The one that goes to the priest's house?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The one that goes to the priest's house.

There are two sisters.

The one that sells blueberry pie. Yeah, the one yeah. Actually, I've been interested in horror with a religious vibe. The one with a syllable. Not purely fictive. Okay. I'm interested in the lore. When I was watching Seretic, I asked her to watch it.

She liked it.

Who's the right one?

Here's Judge.

That's fun. So, in the movie Yes, she judged. That's funny.

So, in the movie, there's Judaism. Yes, Judaism is the first. Christianity and Islam. So, he said he connected with the gods and the gods of the past. It's like there's a similarity. Like, he was born from a Perawan's child. He has 12 disciples and so on.

There's a similarity. The most 12 students, and so on.

The most wow is only in one scene, when in the room below, he explains the meaning of all the gods, even before religion, there was a mistress. Basically, everything is the same. So religion is just a limited translation,

different translations. Like a controlling tool. Yes, tool.

In the end, he was asked,

what is the most powerful tool to control the people?

Yes, that religion.

Amazing. Amazing.

That's cool.

But when I watched it, to be honest, that scene, I felt it was so shallow. I think it's not deep. What he discussed, in my opinion, I think it's not deep What he said to me I think it's really

surface level It's been discussed in this religion But he never discusses that the terms of these religions have a relationship

especially Abrahamic religions All three are one line And I think in the movie it's one of the flaws of the character That he has a solid understanding of what he thinks He's like cracking a conspiracy theory

But actually his understanding is very surface level

He's just his own logic

If you ask me

What about the deepest horror movie? religious horror? or angels and demons? the long one?

i've never seen that what is it? religious horror?

exorcism, i like that

i like that

i like exorcism of amelie rose

i like that the like the exorcism of Emily Rose. I like it.

The Pope's Exorcist.

That's the most interesting.

That's also interesting.

Although in the end it's too much of a superpower. Too much of a goy. What movie did you watch?

Heretic.

Other than that, nothing.

Other than that.

I only remember that.

Horror. Conjuring?

What is Conjuring? Conjuring is...

I don't know what to watch

One thing about Conjuring Is there a sense of real? Because a lot of horror movies are based on true stories Conjuring is a real story

Yes

The case is real

But I don't know if it's processed that way

Ed and Lorraine Warren

Yes Lorraine Warren and Ed Warren What horror movie did I watch? I think it's Twilight

That's a lie

It's true

If we talk about it, it's probably the film with Doi I know a lot of horror movies

But horror movies are rare Yeah, horror movies I know a lot But I rarely watch horror movies

Yeah, I know a lot of horror movies

Why do you rarely watch horror movies? How do I know? I watch horror movies I've watched a horror movie called Saw

What?

Saw It's not horror, it's more like Thriller Is it different? What about horror?

Horror is...

Sadistic.

Chucky.

Horror and thriller. So I'm more into thriller. Like someone dies? The one that's intense. Jason.

Jason is horror and thriller.

Horror only? any thriller? The one that people watch a lot

Conjuring?

Conjuring? I don't watch it

Okay, we'll watch it first

Just watch the heretic one Yeah, the one that's related to religion Or if you want, The Medium, Thailand The Medium The Thailand. The Medium.

The scary one is Taiwan.

Yes, Taiwan. The Medium. Incantation. I watched it last time. I know. The Bridge of Shadows.

That's horror.

Especially if Ojiisha Putra laughs. It's scary.

But that's a horror comedy. Like Aga On., a horror comedy.

Like Agatman. Not a religious horror, right? As for religion, actually, Nessy has said that religion has one line. For example, Judaism and then Islam has one line. But I also heard that there are many examples. For example, is it discussed in Heretic about the flood of Nabinu?

Is there?

No. There is a story. So, the ancient Sumerian civilization has a story about... God? No. There is a guy who plays in Eternal, a Korean player who likes to insult Chinese people.

The big one? Yes. What's his name? Okay. No. He plays in Eternal. Oh, in Eternal. Yes. I forgot. The one who likes to kiss people The one who has a big body Yes, what's his name? Okay, that one No, he's the one who runs

Oh, in the Eternal?

Yes, I forgot Gilgamesh

Oh, Gilgamesh

So, there's an epic of Gilgamesh The epic of Gilgamesh is told in history It's the first epic written Complete So, it's that it was the same as the story of Prophet Noah. The problem is that the Epic of Gilgamesh preceded the Great Flood for thousands of years.

That's why some survived and Noah's name was Unapistem. That's one of the example. But the story is basically the same. Basically the same. So, God, in quotation marks, punishes the flood and then the civilization is reset. So people say this is one of the reasons why religion is a hoax. Because it is similar to the others. There were 12 disciples, then there were 3 in one, one in three, and so on.

But back again, that's why people say religion cannot be believed. So, people say religion is like a correction of the patterns they see. Then, it's restored, retell, so that people are controlled by religion. And, fun fact, I felt that way when I was young.

When you were young.

I played games. I played Final Fantasy, Xenogears, Wild Arms. If you play the game, you know that I gave you the explanation of how it happened. Because people have curiosity, like what Nessy said, I have curiosity too, when I was alive. For example, after I died, how was my condition? I thought, the first thing I saw was a ghost.

Have you ever seen it? Patrick Swayze. Demi Moore. You haven't seen it? That's a horror romantic.

That's a legend.

That's a legend.

So, in the ghost movie, when you're dead, your soul comes out. You can walk through the wall. I said, it's better if we die

Why? We can dream about girls

So, I said, no

At least, it's a question It's a thought How to live after death is answered there After I saw the answers in some movies I saw that religion is only to control humans

Oh, I've thought about that.

Honestly, I didn't have religion. I said, God is bullshit. I'm sorry. Religion is bullshit. I left my religion and I didn't have God. Because I saw religion is only a tool to control people. How can a few people control a lot of people?

By religion. Through fear. Because people say, the easiest way to control people is through religion, not through fear. Because people say the easiest way to control people is through fear. If people are afraid, they will be willing to go against something. They will be afraid of hell. For example, why are people not brave enough to fight their parents? They are afraid of being hurt.

For example, why are people not brave enough to do anything in their life? Most of the time it's because of fear, not understanding. And the same thing happens everywhere. Including when people want to control a large community, it's definitely with fear. One of the things that is used islavian Amphitheater. Colosseum.

It is also used for fear. Humans are fought with other humans. Humans are fought with animals. And it is shown to people. So that people are afraid. That's what happens.

That's why there is a connection between the stories earlier with religion. Because the stories are like preceding religion. So, people say religion is only a way for humans to control other humans. At least, I was like that too. But, the content of all the stories in religion, is there a previous one?

Not all. So, what Nessy said, sometimes there are people who are logical. It means, they are very shallow when they talk about religion. It means, they's just that point. Whereas there are many things that humans use to know those patterns too. Then what makes Ustad feel that religion is not like that?

There is a time, so this is it, humans are curious, that's medicine in my opinion. Medicine at the same time as what, which makes him a human. Have you heard of it? Kogito ergo sum. I think therefore I exist. I think therefore I exist. Kogito ergo sum.

Actually, it's a word from Descartes. René Descartes said, Kogito ergo sum. I think therefore I exist. But before that, there are words, I doubt, therefore I think. I think, therefore I exist.

It means, there is this curiosity. This curiosity is the brain's gift, in my opinion. The mind's gift, in my opinion. So, it is impossible for humans to live in the world without being able to stay quiet with curiosity. That's why Nessy made the channel because of curiosity.

Right. Humans all have curiosity. Curiosity leads me to a search for God. I can't deny that God exists. The problem is at that point. So, everything I got yesterday, Iiewed based on my new understanding. For example, like this.

When I see, have you ever watched Interstellar? Is it a horror movie or not?

No, no, no.

But it's cool. People say, if people watch Interstellar, they usually become atheists. I watch it, I became more religious. Because I really think about it. About the pattern, about the explanation of everything, about time travel, about all kinds of things.

The point is, humans, you know, Interstellar, if I'm not mistaken, was made in 2017, right? If I'm not mistaken. But I just watched it during the pandemic. 2021 or 2022, do you know why?

Every time I watched it, I turned it off for 15 minutes. I watched it again, I turned it off again. I watched it again, I turned it off again. Why? I was so bored. At the beginning, it was so draggy.

It was slow.

What was it for? It's so slow. It's true. It's a slow start. It's so slow. It's so slow. It's so slow. It's so slow. It's so slow. It's so slow. Every person who thinks will see. When he sees a pattern, he will think, what does he want to do with me?

What does he want to send? We just understood at the end of the story. Is it okay to spoil? It's okay. I haven't spoiled for a long time. We just know that it's him in the future,

who is limited in dimension, wants to send something, communication that can only be understood in certain ways.

Yes.

Because of the different dimensions, he can't speak. That's why he uses the gravitational pattern that can go through dimensions. Gravitational pattern is a pattern. People think, look for it, what does it mean?

That's what happened to me.

Confused.

Answered, not a fan. Usually, the trend is if the explanation is long,

from here it's already broken from here.

From the face, it's obvious that you didn't catch it. But I really agree.

It's easier for people, for example, from believing something or from being born believing something, then find new patterns, where it turns out there is proof in history that shows that religion has the same pattern. or it is needed to discipline a society. Then they believe that religion is just a tool.

But what happened to Ustaz, after he was in that position, he found something that was even retracting back. How is that? I thought, first I got it like that, I believe that God is still there So God is not an option for me anymore But it is a duty for all of us now It means that when I got God, I started to look for God

When I got God, I realized that it's true that humans are still the same. It doesn't mean that when we see religion as a pattern, it doesn't mean that the pattern is not good. But what I see is that humans still need patterns and still need rules. There's only one problem, who rules it? Because I also see that in the past there was a belief or a belief that was made to benefit some parties. And to support others. There is something like that.

For example, if we live in the old days and we want to be powerful because we are white. How can we be powerful to people other than white? Simple, just is white skin.

Yes.

So, if God is white skin, then the one who is not white skin, is not as good as the one who is white skin. Yes. For example, this happened in the time of the Greeks.

The Greeks had a concept of God that I think is quite funny. For example, the highest God is called Zeus. Zeus does not rule by himself. He has a trinity in that time. Not trinity, but brothers.

Poseidon, who ruled the sea. Hades, who ruled the earth. Then he ruled the air. Because Greece was based on the sky, the sea, and the earth. So, the highest classification of the sky, the sea, and the land. Then, the classification is made.

The highest is the sky, which is seen every day. Then, the sea, which is seen every day, which is also wide, and the last is the land. Because there is not much land. From there, then, they have children. Zeus has children.

Then, it turns out that it's not just children. He has something called Titans. Titans is... The enemy? It turns out that he doesn't only have children, he also has something called Titans. Titans are like... The enemy? Not the enemy. No.

Titans are his father.

Oh, yes.

His father's name is Kronos.

But he's hated, right?

It's different. So Kronos, the story is that he did evil. Not evil, but he did something that was not approved by his children, and his children killed his own father. It is told in Greek history to teach people. The most powerful is God, the God, and the God has killed the Titans and he has children among humans.

His name is Demigod. And these Demigods must be prioritized more than others because he is the son of God. If he claims to be the son of God, he will get a privilege.

Isn't it funny? What if someone says that he is a god's son?

Do you still have that belief?

Yes.

Can people admit it? Yes. How do you verify that?

In Indonesia, people don't admit that they are gods. People admit that they have a friend who is close to the goddess of the sea. How? And many followers.

There is a WA.

Who knows? I can't read. There is. He admits that he is close to the goddess of the sea. Who is the one who called him? Who gave him the passport? Who gave him the passport? Me. The guardian of the earth.? Yes, the one who gave the passport to the dead angels. Who?

The one who guards hell.

There's one in Indonesia.

Have you been exposed?

No.

You're so healthy, Teng Len.

Teng Len is so healthy.

Teng Len, Felix and I have been exposed to him. Yes, there are many here. The dead angels have passports. Yes, give it to him. Maybe you need to discuss this later. Immigration. Why many Indonesians, no matter how bad they are, still have followers. I think it's a horror. So, the main belief is from the Greeks?

No. It's not like that. But, you're right when you said that the Greeks are the most adopted belief in the world. There's a book that is said to be the most influential book in the world, which is the work of Homer. Homer explains everything, Zeus, Poseidon, Hades,

all kinds of gods and their relationship with humans. That is the most influential. Until now, Roman civilization is formed by the Greeks. And we know that the civilization of today is based on Roman civilization. So, the center is from him. The center is based on the Roman Empire. So, the center is from him. The center is from him.

The Roman Empire.

The Roman Empire. But in the end, it's not really civilization. The people still worship Zeus. No. But from civilization, for example, the capital letters,

are from the Roman Empire. Technology.

Technology, thinking, democracy. Right. The capital words? Philosophy. Capital is also from Roman.

Ancient human or Greek?

Gugampar.

Ancient.

Ancient human is also believable. Very interesting. People used to have a theory, a conspiracy, that eating is the first step to religiousness. The theory is like this. People look for food first, when they are done with their stomach,

then they look for God. It turns out there is a discovery, in the year minus 11,000. Imagine, I want to tell you about minus 11,000. The first record in the world is minus 3,400. Which marks the history because it already has a record. This is minus 11,000.

Do you know what is there? There is a building called Gobekli Tepe in Turkey. It was built in minus year of 11,000 AD and it was a temple. A temple for worship. And it was a place for people to find food.

So, in that place, there was no house, no residential, no crops, no plants, only a place for worship. It was said to be the first place for worship. Who built it? I don't know.

No one knows until now. Is it known? What is the belief? I don't know. So, people still guess. Have you ever seen Stonehenge? Yes. Have you discussed it?

I've been there.

Wow.

Don't tell all the stories that have been told.

Amen.

Not just you push one.

They say there's magic there. How did you feel when you came there? It was raining when I got there.

So, I tried to survive.

You were more focused.

You didn't see any portal or anything? No, but it was interesting.

The stone arrangement? It was like...

Back then, it was like... was put in the middle of nowhere.

It's really in the middle.

Right.

Interesting.

Stonehenge, if I'm not mistaken, what's the minus? Minus 1500? Or minus 3500? I'm not sure, I forgot. Anyway, what's the minus? I forgot Stonehenge. But that means Gobekli Tepe is almost the same as Stonehenge. Now, when people see Stonehenge, they think why the pattern is like that. For example, if we look at the pyramid, we already know that the pattern of the pyramid follows the star.

It means that it corresponds to the star in the sky. But people are still confused about Stonehenge. Why is the pattern like that? What is clear is that they can't make it randomly. It's the same as people see Gobekli Tepe, the pattern is confusing. We might not know what they know in the past.

Whether they correspond to which star or what they correspond to, we don't know. 3000 BC to 1600 BC. So, it's still after the prediction of the prophet Yes, and the Qobe-Kli-Tipi But try to imagine It means that when there are people who do that in the old days,

it means they see something that we don't see now Which makes them believe and do that That's one example of seeing people believed in the past. But, if there's evidence that people have been worshipping for a long time, it can't be traced, right? Like the first religion and the first belief in society, where did it come from?

I think it was only two months ago that I discussed this video. What was the first religion in Indonesia? In Indonesia? Yes, in Indonesia What did you get? In the end, I didn't get it

Because the last thing I got was the animism

It's gone?

Yes, I didn't know what was above The oldest note was... Mount Padang? But that's not certain Because it's pseudo... Because it's not certain yet. Because it's pseudo... Because it's pseudoscience.

So, tracing to the top, we don't know what's next. Right. Animism is what's written. Yes, what's written. If you ask between ancient humans and then the Greeks, it's a long way.

The Greeks, maybe their civilization is between 1500 and 500. That's the Greeks. So, if ancient humans, which ancient Greek do you mean? That's what we need to figure out Is it the ancient Greek that is homo sapiens or other than that?

If not, it could be a mistake If it's homo sapiens, it's minus 200,000 That's a long time Yeah, it's a long time. It's better if it's Lucy, minus 3 million Lucy? Lucy

That's the movie

Lucy the... Lucy. Lucy. You don't know the movie, do you? Lucy, the one with the black widow.

Oh, the movie.

That's a 100.000 Homo Sapiens. Homo Sapiens Sapiens, probably 5.000. 5.000 before the age of... But, have you ever had any doubts? I mean, humans are basically trying to make...

Very good. I feel like it's been embedded in humans, the desire to worship something. That's why I said earlier, if people say that they crop first, they eat first, they live first, they are safe first, the evidence in the Gopik LTP is the opposite, it turns out that the religious are the ones who are cared for first, then eat, then go home. It means that they are already attached. For example, they always want to find the higher being.

It's the same as us now. Actually, every scientist, in my opinion, they will reach that point. So there is something that... For example, they don't want to admit God. Because it's like you have to choose between science and religion. Because they think religion will stop science or science will stop religion.

So they just say that there is one existence outside space and time. Then I think, what does it mean outside space and time? It means there is no time before there is space. If people are religious, it's easy, they say God. But if they are scientists, it's easy. They say God. But if people are science, it's impossible. They just say higher existence. Or outside of space and time and all that.

That's Elon Musk's last statement. He's known as a hard-core artist. He started to believe in higher being. Oh, really?

Because of?

Elon Musk.

Because of what? I don't watch his full podcast. But still, no one is being manipulated, right? Only the higher beings. Higher beings, indeed. But basically, he said he believes in God. There is a God. Whether or not I worship God is a different story. But he believes there is.

Someone said God must be a mathematician.

How come?

Because what do you think is mathematics?

Logic.

Correct. Mathematics is not numbers, but logical thinking. Logical thinking is to see patterns. That's mathematics. So, if he sees patterns, there are many patterns in the world. For example,

I owe you this, which cannot be broken until now. Why do humans have golden proportion?

What is it?

Golden proportion is the Fibonacci number. 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 11, 11, 21, and so on. Those are the Fibonacci numbers. Why? Because it's like this. Do you know Pi? 2 times 2 is 7. 3.14.

If we divide all of our body parts, if we divide it, we get Pi for example, my hand from here to here divide it from here to here, we get Pi 3.14 from here to here, divide it from here to here, 3.14 from here to here, divide it from here to here, sorry, this is it

this, the human from the head to here, to the chin divide it from human, from the head to the chin, from the middle of the eyebrows to the bottom, it's P. From here to here, from the nose to the bottom, it's P. The teeth are also P. The human gene, the double helix gene, DNA, is also P. The heart rate, it's D.

D, D, D, D, D, D, D. There's a long D and and short D. Divide by 2, it's 3 times 4. 3 times 14pi. That's the golden ratio.

The pattern.

Really?

Try to see. It's in flowers, in the...

What's the pattern?

For example, the distance of forehead is divided by this.

Look at this. This and this. Look.

People's heads are different, right? Right. That and this. People have different heads.

That's right. That's the golden ratio. Of course. All of them are different but they follow the golden ratio. That's why we're easy to be seen. From the wrist to the tip. From here to here, the golden ratio.

Who created the patterns? There are flowers, there are ringsrings, there are anything. 3 out of 4. 3 out of 4, 1 out of 3, 3 out of 4.

Okay.

If people say, in the past, people needed something like religion or God as an answer to things they didn't understand. Right.

What is your answer?

I'm not polite.

I'm not polite. But, who can tell us that if we worship something now, it's not dependent on the limited scientific world that we have now. Or the scientific exploration

even like Elon Musk Elon Musk finally believe in being what if it's because he's already stuck in this world

he's stuck

that's really good so actually we need to discuss first that human always looking for some kind of instant answer when he's in a desperate condition or he can't explain something that humans are always looking for instant answers when they are in a depressed state or unable to explain something.

What most often happens in Indonesia is the main point. Why should I obey you? The main point is you should obey me. You are my student, I am your teacher. Why should I obey you? You are my student, I am your teacher.

You are not teaching me, right? Like that. So, I think that is the answer of people who cannot think. So, people who are already obsessed, they need instant justification, they will use the main words. And that is the pattern in the religion nowadays. We do not realize that all the leaders of religions, whatever religion they are,

mostly they force their authority precisely because they can't explain anything. For example, someone asked, why do we have to use the Islamic economy system? Because Islamic economy is a blessing from Allah. You don't want your life to be a blessing?

I think this doesn't explain anything. We are asked to explain how to be a blessing. Don't just explain it, don't just claim it. It means it happens to everyone. But what I need to explain is, the question is not only one in one, the question is not only one in one problem.

The question can be summarized, I think there are two. The first is the question why, the and the second is the question of what and how. Scientists or science answer the question of what and how, but they can never answer the question of why. Because the question of why can only be answered by faith, the religion. I think it's the same.

If someone is stuck in the matter of science, the question of what and how, he can't stop. That's why science must develop. We used to say this, why can the apple fall from top to bottom? Then Newton thought, okay, there is a pulling force. What is the pulling force? It's called gravity.

That's why he came up with the formula with F equal to m1 times m2 per r2. The more two things have mass, the closer they are, the stronger the pulling force. The farther they are, the smaller the pulling force. But when people see that this formula cannot be applied to the space, when they see the space, they say, how can the light be turned? How is the story? It can be applied to the space. When you look at the space, you will wonder, how can the light be deflected? How can the story be?

So they made a new theory, E and Nmc2. They both discuss gravity. When they discuss quantum physics, they are confused, how come there is no answer in these two terms?

So they made a new theory of gravity about quantum physics. But science will never reach the question of why. For example, I often tell my friends, I bring a cake for Nessie. Nessie, this is a cake for Nessie. Oh, thank you. Nessie can bring this cake to the laboratory.

Then, everything can be tested. What does it contain? And how to make it all can be found in the laboratory. But Nessie will not know from the laboratory why I gave him that.

The intention.

Why? The why is provided by religion. So, they answer two different questions. In the past, maybe when there were people who didn't understand science, why there was lightning, then why there was fire?

Oh, that's Zeus.

Zeus is angry. They interpret the phenomenon of what and how, then use religion. Even though it's wrong. Just like now, there are Muslim people who are asked, why the dhompet is gone? You are not pious.

Why are our leaders evil? Because they don't pray. This is one of the most popular topic now. I can't be explained like that. Because my explanation is about religion, not about what and how. It means that there can be someone who knows why, but doesn't understand what and how.

And there can be someone who knows what and how, but doesn't understand why. What God wants in my perception now is you are told the right why and what and how. Right. But the problem is, the book that should be the why is turned into the what and how. In the end, the holy book is turned down by the king and turned into a science book. Right. Do you believe me, Nes? I was judged once.

Like this. You were judgedes? I was judged by ASIC. Lix, do you believe that the earth is flat? I said no. Why don't you believe this? He said, if you don't believe it, you're an infidel. I was surprised. How can I be an infidel? He said, because Allah has mentioned in the Quran that the earth is flat

Is it true?

No, it's not true. It's their interpretation

Oh, the conspiracy

You know the conspiracy of the flat earth It's very popular on the internet And also on Youtube I was judged as infidel because I didn't believe their interpretation Even though they only interpret the flat earth I said, you believe in the the earth, you are not a sinner.

You believe in the round earth, you are not a sinner either. But I said, just stupid. I mean, we can debate in the field of what and how, right? But if we debate in the field of why, like what Koi said, the book that should be why, you make it what and how. So it goes down the ladder, it becomes a science book. What if science can answer everything at the end?

In the future?

Impossible. Because the intention is not a problem of science.

Psychologist.

And the nature of science, every time you find the answer, it raises a new question. True. So it's impossible to answer everything. Yes, just like before. You can know how your mother gave birth to you. You can know exactly.

Even now it's been described. But you won't know why your mother wants to give birth to you. If you don't ask her.

Why?

The simplest analogy is that.

Yes.

If I like to use this At least science can always explain the why Help explain the existence of why with what and how they do For example, I often talk about the phoenix dinosaur Many Muslims are not sure There is no dinosaur in the world Conspiracy

Why? Because it's not mentioned in the Quran. Whereas in the Quran, there are many verses about the life of the previous humans in the world. That mention that. If in the Quran, there is a mention of dinosaur, I would like to ask the Quran,

Why did you mention dinosaur?

Because the dinosaur was found in the 1800s, 1700s, the first fossil. Who gave the name dinosaur?

Human

Paleontologist, yes, it's true, it's the humans who found it If it's in the alchoron, it's weird So it can't be as explicit as it is applied But we have to go through both if we want to find the answer Because it's the other way around, one for what and how, the other for why But in the alchoron, does it explain other beliefs besides Allah? and how, and why There are people who give blessings, protection, etc.

So, it is denied in the Quran. What is that, God? For example, do you know about statues? In the past, the people of Mesopotamia made statues. There are so many statues. I have been to the area of Sani Urfa.

Sumeria first. Sumeria? Sumeria, there were statues. Portable statues.

If you go there, you can bring it. There were big statues.

Really?

Portable statues, if you go there, you can bring it. Yes, right. So it's still holy. So, portable statues. I saw it, it was funny. The mini statues. So, back then, they made it as a part, not a part, but a representative of their worship. It means that they know that if there is no rain, they need to plant, they worship there so that it rains.

When there is no fish, they worship there so that there is fish. Even the last belief you know, the Vikings. If they have something they want to achieve, they can be used to kill people. They can be slaughtered. Because they are considered as messengers to the gods in Valhalla.

Hmm.

But...

It means...

Let me put the topic again. Religion and horror stories actually have a similar function. It's called catharsis. Fear? Catharsis is the release of negative emotions. Oh, I know.

So, I was wondering why horror genre is so popular. From the episode of Black Mirror. Have you watched it? There's one that's horror. Which one? Playtest, the title. The game one. The game one.

The CEO said, do you know why people like horror movies? Because when they have gone through the tension, the sadness, it's relieved. Catharsis, the release of negative emotions. In a way, that's what people are looking for in horror. Because if you think logically,

what are people looking for to scare, to feel negative? But when they recover, they like it, so they watch horror. In a way, religion is when it's hit, when it finds its answer, it's like catharsis. Yes, I got catharsis when people talked about Panji yesterday, when it was crowded. People said, why are people nowadays, because at that time, many influencers in quotes, said that,

Panji is good, but the words are dirty. They haven't heard of Ferran yet. What is the context of dirty? This, the word shit.

The word rough.

Shit and all kinds of words. That's the rough words, right? Misu, curse, cursing. They said that. Even though it was explained by a psychologist, it turned out to a catharsis. So, people need to be released. One of them is with those dirty words.

The other one is with horror. But I got some better explanation. People need to watch horror movies so they can cope with the horror they get in their lives. Because when they watch horror, it turns out that there is an end to it. But if it's to prepare horror in their lives. So, rather than experiencing it for real if it's to prepare horror in his life. So, rather than experiencing the truth, it's better if he watches it.

Because he can control it. So, there is a release feeling that he is right. But I'm curious, Nasi. You, if... You have been talking about horror for 10 years. Does it change your perspective on everyday life? So, it's not horror? No.

So it's more sensitive. So, because you've heard a lot of stories, right? From what I see, many people, when they're in a certain topic, their perception of life changes a little. How they see, for example,

the door moves a little. This is like when we were little, we just watched a horror movie. The door moves a little bit. It should be wind. Simple, right? But now, the brain is like, this is a different thing. For example, there's a story about school,

and you're invited there, and you feel it, even though you didn't feel it at first.

Is there anything like that?

In life, I mean in general, no. Maybe the opposite. Because I really like the horror series. So, I know in terms of production, we know how to build that. We know how to build it,

the foundation to make something that moves people's emotions. That's what we... What is it?

Storytelling.

We direct the whole thing. But I also feel that if people are in a state where they are positioning themselves to be vulnerable, telling horror stories, it's more sensitive. For example, if we are not aware that there is an open door, if we are in deep concentration telling horror stories, maybe we are like, why is this open?

What is this?

But in general, I'm actually the opposite. Compared to what you said earlier.

You mean you're not fictional in life?

I'm more challenging facts.

But do you realize that when you tell stories, it's like, when I hear you talk, it's like something is about to happen. That's the art of storytelling. I heard you said that there's something happening.

That's the art of storytelling. That's the power.

He was just giving an example. I thought something was going to happen. We felt like we were watching a scandal. What's going to happen? I have a follow up question. What is the horror story that you still find it scary?

I mean, there is a little bit of factual, not full fictitious.

I really like the discussion where we are made to debate. Like the story of Annalise Michelle. I have said this many times. People may be bored to hear. But it was made into a film, Exorcism of Emily Rose. Oh, I watched it. I like it.

You know, right?

It has two panels in the court. I watched it. It's good. It's between facts and people who want to learn exorcism. People who are exorcists. And it's like using history and trust and all that. I really like the way they teach the exorcist and they use history and belief I really like that

because at the end of the day can we blame something that is not visible and can't be verified with the facts in this world with something that is visible like for example the exorcist who do you want to blame for the exorcist?

if the person who is blamed is the pastor who did the exorcism, where the pastor really believes that if he drinks the medicine, his body cannot be controlled, so he can be taken by the entity. The pastor really believes that, not that he wants to do it, but in the end, it was a mistake. Can he be blamed?

That's actually, in my opinion, basically what Ustad Felix explained earlier, one problem, but if it's religious proximity, this is the solution. If it's science proximity, this is the solution. But I was told by Omdet The story about the debate About the person whose soul came out

There was a person who was cut Then his eyes were closed and everything So he couldn't know anything Then he said, I know what happened to me when I didn't realize it earlier Because he felt his soul came out He saw it

Yes, he saw it Then people must say, you're just this. You know our conversation, you might not understand everything. At least you can hear or whatever. But he said,

look at the top of the lamp. If I'm not mistaken, there's a writing like this. On the top of the lamp.

And it's true?

And it's true. I don't know. But, it's clear. The explanation can be in many ways. Maybe it can't be explained with science. But, when it's in religion, there's a spirit. But, again, it's about what and how.

About what and how. In religion, there's a split. If it's in science, it's definitely found out. How to do it. Like the creature, it will be researched again, right? How to do it, right? Like the creature, it will be researched again, right? What is this phenomenon?

Or for example, because of this and all kinds of things. But in fact, humans are not only physical, it's all already agreed. But now, I still ask myself this. Do you know what makes me one of the trust in God? I was once asked, why can humans live? I told you, as a biologist,

there is a heart, heart beats, then humans live. If it stops beating, people die. I was told, there is a heart in the body, why doesn't it live?

I said, yes, why doesn't it live?

Because it doesn't breathe oxygen.

That's it. Why can it stop breathing oxygen? Why does the heart stop beating? It means there is something outside of the body that is in humans that makes us still alive now. For example, in religion there is a concept of the sacrament of death. Sacrament of death is when the soul is pulled from the entire human body.

And the saying of the apostle is very painful. To describe it, there is one interesting thing that interesting story to understand that humans are not only bodies. He said, let's say my hand is cut off, let's say my hand is cut off. Does it hurt?

It hurts.

It hurts a lot. He said, when it hurts, it doesn't grow back. Why doesn't it grow back? Because the soul is gone. It's cut off, right? The soul is gone. It was cut off, the soul is gone.

That's why it became rotten. Rotten and then gone. Because the soul is gone. What makes us alive is the soul. Soul. He said, look, the soul is just gone.

What if our whole body is gone? The pain is just this much. What if the whole body is gone? That's how the devil wants it. That's how to understand that when something is gone and then die, the spirit is gone. That's why it's not alive anymore. That's one of the examples.

The explanation. By the way, it's interesting. Have you ever discussed the fact that people see the devil only as a psychology? Have you ever discussed it?

I've never.

Why? You can't judge The thing is, I really appreciate people who have different perspectives I agree I learn a lot from different perspectives But I've explained from a psychological point of view For example, why is it that when people see a devil, they think it's customary?

Oh, I see.

That's interesting. I'm sure a lot of people are wondering why is it customary for devils to be in Asia? For example, in Asia, he usually has a small face. And he has a yellow face. Indonesia is a jumping country. If you look at the devil in the west, he has big eyes.

And he is all white. So, the devil is different depending on the region. Imagine, what color is the devil's clothes?

White. If you wear a polka dot, does it is the devil's clothes? White.

If you wear polka dots, will you become a devil?

No, right?

It's funny, right? That's one of the discussions. We can't say, you're wrong, I'm right. That's our explanation according to science, history, etc. But if you're an enemy, if you're said, is there a devil? yes, there is prove it, but they can't

how about the story? but then they said, what is the shape of the jinn? there is a scholar who explained it well he said, jinn are not perfect like humans so if you see a devil, it has a weird shape that's how they are

because they are not perfect like humans so they say they like to imitate things that we are afraid of Or something that we see In a basic way, they are not perfect They don't have the golden ratio That's right

Vibonacci All heads, no legs Or all tongues, no eyes Like that But their Vibonacci is different

Vibonacci is different Their Fibonacci is different, right?

Their golden ratio is different

It's the same as this, the one that is beautiful in our opinion is not necessarily the one that is beautiful in China's opinion Yes, that's right But why is there such an exorcism? There is only one religion, Catholic, admitted and regulated by Vatican Islam and others that admit that there is a jinn, there is a spirit why don't they do the same thing like the Vatican? I think the practice of exorcism is in the Abrahamic religion.

It's official, there's an SOP for exorcism. So it's not just, where have you been all this time? I think it's just a little bit of a touch, just to pray.

No, so...

They have to send a letter to the Vatican

or to the school

or to the EZ No School

I just found out

but is there a department that does that?

like Pope Exorcist

they said the department doesn't exist anymore

oh it doesn't exist anymore?

they should check if I'm not mistaken, they should do a research

because the last one they don't send people anymore but He doesn't send people anymore But actually Rukiah can be considered an exorcism too

Yes, of course

That's why The last one is exorcism Now it's changed to John Wick

He wasn't there before?

Who?

He was an exorcist before Who? Konstantin

Oh Konstantin, the detective

He was Konstantin

Now he's John Wick

Yes, he's John Wick

Now the war is against people Before it was against the devil Because the story back then In Abrahamic religion For example Jesus, Jesus was once visited by the devil He was tempted by the devil It's the same as Prophet Muhammad

He was in a relationship with the jinn So Abrahamic religion, I think it's the same If you believe in the prophecy For example Genesis, the book of events It was also acknowledged by the Jews For example, Genesis is also a Jewish book. It means that they also understand that there is a devil, satan, and so on.

So, exorcism is in Abrahamic religion.

Abrahamic is a religion of its own? You just mentioned monotheism.

Judaism is part of Abrahamic religion. You mentioned Monotheism before Oh, Judaism Judaism is part of Abrahamic religion

Oh, part

Actually, the definition of Harveya is the religion that came down from the sky Yes, that's right Like what you said, Nesli So, it's one line But we divide it Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.

I can say that Judaism is the most OG. No, it's not. It's better to call it Abraham. Because Abraham has a son named Isaac. Isaac has a son named Jacob. Jacob has 12 children.

That's what we call Israelites. One of the what is called Israelite. One of the Israelite is called Judah. From Judah, Judaism came. So, it can't be called as OG.

So, Abraham still didn't have religion?

Yes.

Abrahamic? Yes, Abrahamic as we said. Before that, there was a religion. Noah was before Abraham Noah So, it was not Islam

So, This is a claim According to Islam Nuh, Adam, and all the prophets were all Muslims

If you claim that they were Muslims But their name is not Islam. But according to historical records, Islam is the youngest religion. The newest. Because it was calculated since the time of the Prophet Muhammad. But in Islam, we have to believe in it. The previous one was also part of Islam.

Before it really became Islam. So, Christians are part of Islam. The five books is mentioned in Quran What are the 5 books? Quran, Injil, Tawrat, Zabur, Suhuf, Ibrahim Oh, so these are the 5 books that you can marry a different religion

If you are still a Muslim, you can marry a Muslim If you are a Muslim, the most important thing is it's still a book, right? Yes, a book. If it's a man, Islam, the important thing is that the girl has a book. Yes, that's right. In the past, in Egypt or what, the pictures on the wall, what is it?

Hieroglyphs.

Hieroglyphs.

Why in the time of Rasulullah and the times below, no one drew it? Because Rasulullah was not in Egypt.

Good.

Good.

I mean, back then, there was a belief. We can see it directly. There is a caricature. The drawing is like this. Why in the time of Prophet Isa, Jesus, etc. There is no proof of drawing.

People are not inspired to draw them. Inspired. Inspired.

Inspired.

Then, where did you get the inspiration?

This writing

It's from hieroglyphs

Oh yes

It's in school history Alphabet Writing Alphabet

Please watch it

So, the alphabet, if you watch it in school, it's the same It started, according to the earliest people, from the Phoenicians Phoenicians made the letter A and letter B. If I'm not mistaken. Then from the letter A and letter B, it was later developed by Mesopotamia. So, it's a word of word.

The difference is in Egypt, they don't use the word of word. They use the letter of drawing. So, they use the letter of drawing. And that's how they communicate in the old times. So, it's not a picture like... Like this? That's hieroglyph.

So they mean... The condition of the sat with the hieroglyph. To describe the worship. So in Arabic, it's written in Arabic. There's no need for that realization. For example, like the letter A.

The letter A, the letter Phoenician. From the letter Phoenician to the letter A, the word Phoenician, from the word Phoenician to the letter A, the letter A originally represented a cow.

A cow?

A cow's head. That's the letter A. And the letter A now, the story is like that. The story is so far away. But it's a way of communication.

Actually.

But it's more like a drawing. China also drew. Yes, I think a lot of them drew. But why in the era of Prophet Muhammad, there is no picture? Yes, only writing. Communication is done by writing, just like Christians. But picture is not known in Islamic culture, because in the Islamic era, the image was avoided.

Because from the image, people were facilitated to worship. Fun fact, you have to know about the iconoclasm in Christians. Christians once banned the image. Oh, they banned the image. And one church was burned because of the iconoclasm. Hagia Sophia was burned because of the iconoclasm Hagia Sophia was burned down because of the iconoclasm

So the image was taboo? Taboo, because according to them, God is not worthy of being compared to humans So the images were destroyed by the people of Constantinople It's called iconoclasm That's what you asked earlier, why was the Prophet Muhammad never depicted? You asked earlier or yesterday? I forgot

You asked me before So that we don't lose focus on what God has to give us Because the prophet of God has different forms It will be neglected in the future Have you ever been to Europe? No, I haven't

Is there a statue or a picture in Europe?

No, I haven't been there

In Europe, there is a statue If a Catholic Christian is a statue, an Orthodox Christian is a picture So after the iconoclasm, the orthodox people said, we can use the picture, but only picture, not three-dimensional If people in Romania, they are still statues, because they are the same people

So it's like mixed with culture Culture, that's why the name is Roman Catholics Before meeting Romans, the name was just Catholics But it became Roman Catholics Because Roman and Catholics were collaborating to develop the world So they were known as Roman Catholics

So in the beginning, the portrayal of Jesus was not allowed? It was not allowed They at least had one problem when someone depicted Jesus, there was one group that was angry. It was called iconoclasm. The problem was when Jesus or God for them was iconized, depicted. Became an icon.

Became an icon, became a picture. They protested. There was a protest like that. Finally, like now, this is a problem among Christian fanatics. They are causing a problem. Look, because you draw Jesus, now Jesus has many versions.

So, it depends on where the church is. In comedy movies, there are many Vietnamese Jesus,

Chinese Jesus, Korean Jesus.

Yes, that's right. In Islam, it figure cannot be depicted. So, the figure of Muhammad is not depicted, but is described. Like I said before,

the six-pack belly. The eyebrows meet each other.

So, the biggest religion now is monotheism?

The biggest monotheism?

The biggest monotheism is…

I'm not sure.

In the world?

I think Christianity is 1.7, Muslims 1.7, 3.0. Monotheism. But if the community keeps growing, maybe monotheism will disappear. If it's developed, science and history prove that it's wrong. I was asked, Ustad, if there is an alien, and he said, I'm an alien,

and what you believe is all wrong, I think it can be. I said that the message is wrong. From the beginning I met Ustad Felix, I remember the challenge was like this. If there is a religion and it is proven that it is better than Islam, Seth Felix will move.

Or there is someone who is really banged, like aliens come and then, you say everything, in religion, you are like this, no, this is what happens. I can be. That's the concept of video, Anunnaki is like that. True, Anunnaki, right? Yes, Anunnaki. Have you ever discussed it?

I think I have read about it. Anunnaki is the god of Sumerian. Sumerian, Mesopotamia. It is considered an alien from the outside. From Nibiru. It came to earth to teach the people about civilization. Yes, that's right.

Then it went back to the temple. Did it ever exist?

No, it's like this. and they went to the temple again did they ever go there? no, no, no

they never went there so, the Mesopotamian people

depicted there were gods before Zeus and all that they said there was Anu-Naki Anu-Naki

An is the god of the sky, Ki is the god of the earth Anu-Naki is the god of the the heaven, Ki is the earth. Anu-Na-Ki is the heaven and earth. It's a story about blue sky, blue body and green body. They brought technology to teach humans. After they teach humans, it turns out that humans are too genius.

So, they sent another god or god to destroy humans. That's the story of Anu-Na-Ki. But, finally, someone felt like, it's normal, don't destroy humans. That's the story of Nunaki. But finally someone felt like, it's normal, don't destroy it. Like the movie Eternal. So, one of the stories about gods, the gods were made by Marvel

in the movie Eternal. Eternal, Nibiru. And now there's NASA, I don't know, there's a planet named Nibiru near the earth

That's a conspiracy theory It's one line, it can be found And that finally produces solar radiation That's why Europe is now practicing for 7 days without electricity It's said because of the planet Nibiru But I don't know

It's just a conspiracy So Anunnaki is not really a real person By the way, Anunnaki always bring a bag I see

Look at the picture, he bring a bag Like a girl's bag

Anunnaki's handbag Anunnaki'sbag of Anunnaki

Why did he bring a bag?

I don't know Is it a document? That's it

A dog

And the problem is

Pitch dog

And the problem is Yes It's obvious This?

Yes

He brought a bag

And the problem is, this bag is not only found in ancient Mesopotamia, but also in other gods, such as the Aztecs. I think Quetzalcoatl also uses this. Yes, Quetzalcoatl. Try to check the bag of Quetzalcoatl.

So, do you believe that this is an adaptation of various cultures?

I don't know, I can't explain. But maybe, I also, for example, like this, the whole world has never been coordinated, right? Between east and west, suddenly they are asked to worship the sun god, for example. But in the Islamic belief, the claim in Islam is that it can be coordinated by jinn, actually. Which pollutes humans, right? Yes, it can be, because we don't have an explanation for that at the moment.

How can thousands of years ago people suddenly coordinate between South America and Sumeria? It's so far away. We don't know if there are humans there or not. But it can be coordinated. They said India is also... Actually, Sumeria is because they are invasive.

Right. They are invasive, spreading their religion. But the good thing about Sumeria's religion is that they blend with local beliefs, so it's not erased. Why?

It's like a connection, because the local beliefs are not erased. Technotic land is in Aztec, right? Inca Maya Aztec, then Sumeria has the same landmark, Ziggurat, has a pyramid, at least we know the people of the old days, they were looking for divine beings.

Still.

Still.

What's the bag? Cone, the cone that is used by some symbols. Cone, pharaoh, cone, until now, Paul also uses the cone symbol and all kinds of things. It's also in Anunnaki. I have one important question. How can you memorize everything?

I was confused, I was like, what is this? I can memorize everything. Yeah, I like weird things. But in the journey to find religion, history is inevitable. The most horror for me, history is based on the writings of the people before us, right? Correct. What if all of that is proven wrong?

So, all of the things we believe in in life, and everything else, wow, it's like our grip is gone. There's a chance. There's a chance. That's why I said,

at least until now, why did I chose Islam. At least this is my personal opinion. We don't care about other people's beliefs. But why I chose Islam? Because at least my grip is deeper than others. After I searched, that's my claim again.

That my grip is deeper. But even if it's removed, I said, I won't believe in Islam anymore. Why would I believe in Islam if my hold on it is gone? You were clipped at the end. Yes, I was. But the interesting thing is, many people said,

why is it like that? I said, we have to be fair. The problem in Islam is taught to be, quote unquote, challenging. Fair, right? Right. And many people nowadays are afraid to question religion. Because they are afraid of being called religious dissidents

Even though religion itself is a curse For example, Allah said in the Quran If I'm not mistaken, ten times Come, come with your argument Meaning, that's challenging right? Where's your argument?

Because Allah knows that people will be easier to believe if they are satisfied with their reason Because earlier it was Dubito, then Kogito, Kogito, Ergo, Sum From Kogito to Kogito?

Of course, Kogito

Dubito, Ergo, Kogito, Kogito, Ergo, Sum But it reminds me of my elementary school, I was in a religious school and my dad was really against fighting with the school Because of you?

Because of that, because there were so many Like for example, I have a question and in my school We were told not to ask things that cannot be answered So I will go home and say, oh, my teacher said, just believe God has said, if God has said If God has said Your argument is not valid

or anything

I just followed it

But I think in many schools for teachers who don't have the capacity

they will say the same thing

to answer

Meanwhile in my house

we are allowed to ask about anything The real horror I mean, there are many old people who position that they know everything and if they ask, if they are already dead, they can't ask like that that's a sin, you'll go to hell well, it's good that his father is here if he doesn't know, he will say he doesn't know later, papa will tell you first papa doesn't know either

his father is a school teacher

yes, my capital is my father

but in my opinion think that's the toxic part When people turn religion into a shield against their ignorance Not all teachers are taught to do that But when they say that, it makes the religion wrong Why do you... In Islam, Islam teaches us to be critical

For example, in the Quran, Abraham asked, Why do you worship those statues? Do you know what the person who worshiped the statues said? Because our ancestors were like that Because it has been like that since ancient times It is said as an unbeliever

So if there is a teacher, We teach the audience to escape, a little rebel For example, you ask about religion And the teacher says the point is like that We can say in the Quran, the word of the point is specific The point is specific Allah said, are their fathers prophets?

So they can say that they are standing on the right path So the Quran specifically points to people who are confident because of their father You can't do that Especially if you have a position because of your father But there are many people who are trying to stop people from asking questions But they are being pulled to the Jews and tortured

Because of the many questions Because they keep asking Now there are many people who are pulling to the Jews They are asking about asked a lot of questions Because there were a lot of people who came here They asked about Sharia Not about their faith For example, Sharia is like this

Allah said Try to buy a female cow Bakorah Buy a female cow They asked, how does the cow look like? They were actually lazy to ask

What color is it? What is it like? When they ask, it gets more difficult That's not allowed Don't ask for the recipe Like this We go to the doctor

The doctor says, this is the recipe Please eat We ask, why? Not this one Why not this one? Why three times a day?

Why not four times a day? or you? You can't ask that. But you can ask me, are you a doctor or not? That's right. We can ask, are you a doctor or not? Prove it, are you a doctor or not? This is my practice. No, I don't believe it.

What else? This is my photo with the president. Because I'm famous. What else? These are photos of my patients that I've cured. I still don't believe it. Until I was convinced, once we are convinced, then what we do is follow the doctor's prescription.

The key is legitimacy, right? The problem is that many Indonesians feel that they have legitimacy that they actually don't have. True. It means don't ask for the prescription, but ask about God, it's okay. Why does our prophet have to be Muhammad? Why do we have to pray?

That's okay, no problem. But if we are convinced, then we say, okay, pray 2 rakat in the morning, then we say, if I want to be 4, to be more diligent, well, that's not allowed. Something like that. So, don't ask for the recipe, the doctor can. Just like people on the plane, I often give an example, the pilot, when he is about to land, he must listen to ATC, Air Traffic Control. What he needs to make sure is, is this the correct frequency or not. Is this ATC or not. But once they know this is ATC, whatever the order is, it is immediately executed. You can't wait.

Two minutes to the south with this speed, straight. Go down 1000 meters, straight. You can't. Why 1000 meters? It's already hit first.

Yes, true.

So we have to know where the criticism is. So, if there's someone like that, it's a challenge to Islam. To think critically. Is there a point for you where Islam is right? I found it when I was discussing the Quran.

As I said earlier, at least I can make sure the root is the deepest, the strongest. Why? Because when I see Islam, Islam is the only book that invites us to think. Islam says that if you don't think,

you will end up in hell. That's what makes me think, if Islam is not serious to challenge humans, it's impossible for it to ask humans to think. At that point, I found a lot of evidence, I said, this is true Islam.

For example, the simplest one, I got from Ustaz Fatih Karim, there is a simple verse, this book has no doubt in it, it is a guide for those who are religious. I said, this is crazy, how come there is no doubt in it? Because I think what makes the Quran is the human, because I am a human. How can a human Because I thought that I was a human I thought, where is a human who can make it perfect? But it turns out that it is not a human

So who made it? God I thought, God is serious Then I saw, I know where it is perfect You try to see it yourself It turns out that there are many challenges in the Quran Try to come to a letter like that, try to prove it

Try to see if there is something wrong, you will find many contradictions in this Qur'an and all kinds of things. I converted to Islam 24 years ago. 24 years ago, right? Yes, I think so. 2002.

2002.

Eh? 26 years, right? 24 years. 24 years I converted to Islam, I thought I got more proof. Finally, I thought, at least I got to this point. I didn't claim what it will be like in the future, but in this point, Islam is the most suitable for me. But I don't know if aliens will come.

Aliens will come.

I will bring them to my planet. There's something interesting. If there's an alien, I want to ask this. Do you know the speed of light is 3 times 10 to the power of 8 meters per second? Yes. 10 to the power of 8 meters per second. It means, if there is a person that is so far away from this earth,

he can see how many decades ago. Even if he is further away, maybe the light that is emitted from here to there, he can see further, he can see 100 years ago. I want to go to a place that can see 600 years ago

Specific 600? I want to see 1400 He wants to go to the year 600 The year of Rasulullah No, 600 years ago means 1400 years ago I want to see what Rasulullah was like

Do you understand what I mean? Because theoretically, the travels in that direction For example, we see a star that is shining now If we get closer, it could be dead Yes, that's right The star that we see now, it's not there

Yes, it's not there Because it's millions of years ago It just came to our eyes The theory is that if we have a time warp We can go as far as possible from the earth So we are too curious can see what prophet Muhammad

is like, is he still there or not maybe you can go further, 2000 years ago if you want to see Jesus but he will come back I remember I once watched a physical that explained

even if time travel or go to another planet that far it makes it possible with the speed of light it makes it possible but, but what is impossible? We report back. Because it's been too long.

When we report back, the people we know are gone. Maybe the earth is even destroyed. But report back from there, right?

Unless if it's back in one second too.

Yes, if it's warp.

Yes, that's it. That's the joy of people who think if they already know science. So, it's like... What was it? The movie we talked about earlier? Interstellar. So, he's telling through the dimension of the 6th dimension.

Through the pattern. Not through the phone.

Have you watched Interstellar, Fer?

I don't like it.

I knew it. I'm nervous. I don't like Interstellar? I don't like it anymore I knew it

I'm sorry, I don't like Interstellar Okay, let's continue to the question from netizen Is religion basically a tool to control human nature?

It's like a sword

I understand, it's like a sword There's someone dead No, the question is, will it be worse?

Sorry, sorry, sorry

Let's do it again

Is religion basically just a tool to control the human race? Which in the end, religion will disappear by itself, like in the time of Egypt Worshiping Ra, Greek, Zeus, and others Yes, if I look at it like this, there is a thing when religion is to control humans. Until now, do you still believe that? Still, because humans need to be controlled, basically.

And especially Sharia, in my opinion, is to control the people who are the most, I'm sorry, the most unwise among humans. Or we can say, the most stupid among humans. I don't witness that I'm stupid too.

Because like this, in a company, the rules must be clear. For whom? For the lowest level management. The one that can't be explained, the one that can't be told the philosophy, just follow the rules. Because humans must be controlled. But, if we say lost, I think it depends on what is being regulated.

If Zeus, Lunar and all, there are many things that they regulate that are not the essence of life, but just practical in life. But if for example Islam, we see that it regulates the essence of life. So as long as humans still exist, religion still exists. Different from Ra or others. The disappearance of religion in the old days, can it be said that it is losing to modernization? Yes, that's right. Can we say that Islam is losing to modernization? Science has proven that life should be lived like this,

that the best way to be healthy is like this, and it turns out that all the best practices are taken from Islam. Very likely. That's why I said that everything I've learned is actually appropriate. For example, there is a new research, fasting is a minimum of 30 days in a year.

This is a new research, right? It means that they are sure that fasting is good for humans. And a minimum of 30 days. If we say, crazy, if we are lazy to fast, we are told to fast one day, one day, one day, one day, another day, another day, another day, another day, another day, another day, another day, another day, another day, another day, another day, another day, another day, another day, another day, another day, another day, another day, another day, another day, another day, another day, another day, another day, another day, another day, another day, another day, another day, another day, another day, another day, another day, another day, another day, another day, another day, another day, another About people who can postpone happiness. So, what is it called? Gratification. Like that. Gratification delay. It has a positive impact on people's future. Life, work, and all kinds of things.

It turns out that we are told to do that during fasting. If you want to fast, you will get a gift. It turns out that the training is very good. For example, research that has been research of 75 years at Harvard about people's happiness, it turns out that it depends on how to understand the internal events. Then it depends on the relationship and all kinds of things.

Isam has told me too. In the end, I think until now, it's still okay.

This is the follow-up. What if the time is replaced by a new God in the future,

so that the concept of faith, the hereafter, and fanatic defense of religion actually have no objective meaning? It can be very true. And we discussed it yesterday. When the Dajjal comes, it will be tested. Yes, that's right. So that means he also admits as God and he can solve many human problems that quote unquote cannot be solved by God. But if I predict the real, the one that can be the closest to the real is AI.

AI?

AI is the real horror in the next few years about humanity and civilization, that is AI if misused.

Right.

Because until now, the one who is the strongest and most potential to manipulate us to make any decision that he wants, that's AI.

Okay.

He has mapped our psychoanalysis. He already knows our preferences, how we like to respond. And he knows more than we even know. Yes, and I've seen how Cedipity responds to Veren. He's like, this is, what is it, really softy, really softy. Yes.

If I'm tough hard, you're...

I'm being called a tolo.

Why?

You're being called a dog.

I'm being called a dog.

I'm not a real dog. I read it so badly.

Tolol.

What did he say? He said catharsis.

I believe that with AI development, soon, I think religious adoption can be adoption of religion will be easier. It can be. Because I'm very strict. We will discuss that later. Sure, we will discuss that later.

Okay, next question.

Wait, I want to ask you something.

If it's like this, no one can...

Wait, if it's like that...

Wait a minute. It's been lagging for a while.

It's been lagging for a while. Why is there an evolution of trust? It's okay. Why is there an evolution of trust? If you can't answer, we'll...

We're already in evolution.

We lost our Google.

We can.

We can.

We have an intern teacher.

Why did it happen?

I'm going to the toilet.

Don't do it.

Why did the belief evolution happen when from the beginning Prophet Adam already knew God is only one? That's a weird question.

From Prophet Adam,

I don't want to hear it.

God is only one. But we've discussed a lot in the previous episode. What makes God 2, 3, even 0 is the interpretation and the wrong interpretation of humans, especially when it's spread to other humans. God is only one

but humans are the ones who interpret but in this world the way we work is not the truth will win but who is the best at conveying and can be confident enough to convey something, he wins

even though it is not the truth From prophet Adam, we can draw to his son, prophet Sid prophet Sid is divided into two Some are still following the teachings Some are starting to be lazy From there, it's wrong interpretation

For the details, we'll wait for you The video is a bit late Although one source, but the perception is different between the two children of the Prophet Adam Prophet Adam was a human being or a human being before? The first human being I believe

I believe I also learned a lot from Islamic history Prophet Adam is the first Homo Sapiens Sapiens We are all Homo Sapiens Sapiens So when Prophet Adam came down, there was no other ancient man Neanderthal already existed

Already existed? But the first Homo Sapiens Sapiens was Adam It was seen from what? Humans started to have civilization They started to farm They started to plant and all that

That was after the year that was thought to be Adam came down Then when Adam came down, why didn't he spread about Islam? Who said he didn't spread? He spread. But his name wasn't Islam. But, back then, people believed in animism, right?

Totanism.

No, no. The book that believed in...

Let's try the question.

The guest's coming. The book that believed in growth.

Why? What?

I used to believe in that

Who said that?

We're talking about Adam Adam Why is there a belief evolution? If Adam knew that God is only one How? When Adam came down

It was the time of Homo Sapiens Homo Sapiens Sapiens Yes, it was the time of Homo Sapiens, what kind of belief do you still have? because they were tempted by the devil and that's how they were divided and now they are divided again and that's why there is someone who believes in one God and there is an animism, dynamism

because they are far from the root and they might even forget that's the answer

there is a master coin

that's right but when prophet Adam came down what did the people of the time of the Homo Sapiens believe? there are some interpreters some say that So, when Prophet Adam came down, what did the people of the time of the Homo Sapiens believe? There are several interpretations. Some say that when Prophet Adam came down, he was the first and only human. So, all humans started from him. But there is a problem.

Because science says that it is impossible for all humans to be from the same genetic. Oh yeah, from Adam and Eve. So there are other interpretations that when Adam was born, there was a sad cow. So when he had a baby, the others were done.

So it was just influenced by genetics. But we don't know what it's like. In religion, they believe Adam and Eve came to this world. what it's like. It's clear that in religion, he believes Adam and Eve came down to earth. One or two. So, we don't know what religion is in the world.

Because humans are actually, in the past, they were simpler than us.

How come?

Problematic is getting... What is it? Getting here. Getting modern. It's getting more complicated people's lives. People now, before no need for a passport, now need a passport. Before, people didn't have a problem with holding their phone.

Now people don't have a problem with holding their phone.

It's more about survival.

Right, survival. The important thing is to be able to live. So, the problems of the past don't need religion in a complex way. Because in religion, it is also told that Prophet Adam lived for a thousand years until he died, but he taught people below him, you must have God. God is our guide here in the world.

God is only one. It's not complex. The existence of the God is only recorded in Islam in the time of Prophet Noah. That's after... After how long? The first time I was in Islam was during the time of Prophet Noah How long after that? Adam, Idris, and before that there was Shihd and all kinds of people

What year was that?

Prophet Noah, it depends on the calculation The calculation of Christians, if I'm not mistaken, Prophet Noah was around 2000 something Or 4000 something, I'll check it later Before mistaken, it was around 2000s or something Or around 4000s, I'll check it later

Before that?

Before that, minus Because Abraham was around 2000s I'll check it

Okay, I'll ask the next question In the Quran, Pharaoh admitted Pharaoh

In the Quran Pharaoh Yes, around 4000s Minus 4000s Fir'aun! Fir'aun! Fir'aun! Yes, 4000 years ago.

Okay.

In the Quran, Fir'aun admitted as God and asked to be worshipped. While Allah also commanded His creature to worship Him. Then, what is the difference between Allah and Fir'aun? And how do we ensure the claim of div God is not just about power and narration. Very good. How about you, Nes?

You answer it.

Okay, so, if we talk about the claim, there are many people who claim to be God. In the time of Abraham, there was Namrud. In the time of Pharaoh, there was Pharaoh. In the time of Prophet, there was a Namrud. In the time of Pharaoh, there was a Pharaoh. What is interesting is that there was a debate between Namrud and Abraham to decide the claim, who is the right God. Therefore, in the method of approaching the truth, there is a theory called falsification. For example, there are two search for truth.

One is verification theory, and the other is falsification theory. Verification is when we have the right standard, we check if there is any other event, we can just match it with the standard of truth. This is called verification. While falsification is when we don't know what the standard is.

So we can only do tests until one of them can't be maintained. So when Ibrahim and Namrud were talking, they were doing the falsification test. Namrud said, I am God. Ibrahim said, God is the one who brought life and death. Namrud said, I bring life and death. Then he called people, where are you?

Then the people were killed. I killed them. How did you bring life? The others were alive. Because I didn't tell them to die. I brought life, I killed them.

Then Ibrahim said, God, I bring the sun from the east, but the stars from the west. Then he was silent, and his face was pale, and he was silent. He couldn't do it. The same thing happened to Pharaoh.

Pharaoh, basically, when he faced Moses, all of his beliefs were destroyed by Moses. He had a belief, do you remember I said, that the Nile River is what gives life. Suddenly, the Nile River was blood. They said, our God is dead. He believes in the frog as life. Suddenly, the frog becomes the carrier of disease.

He believes that the plant can make him eat. It turns out that he was eaten by the squirrel. He believes that, for example, the light, Ra, is the god of light. It turns out that he was darkened by the Prophet Moses. And then, where is your God? In this situation, he was challenged.

But, does that mean we can't really make sure that the claim of divinity is not just about power and narration? Well, how about power and narration? It's true, people with power can make a narration. That's why, if we look at it, this narrative will end up with one thing, which is civilization. Narrative is an idea. So, for example, every civilization must have a point, which is the point of its soul, which is an idea.

That's why every social transformation is based on ideas. If they have a very large military power, the idea can be forced. But until when? Until when can fear control humans? That's why there is a power of ideas. It should be like this, not like this. Not like this, but it should be like this.

Prophet Muhammad brought that narrative. From the narrative, it became a power. So it's not a power that is forced to give a narrative.

But if it's like that, it doesn't have to be religious. I mean, like what's done there. That's what's done there.

That's what's done there.

Oh yeah.

Humans are the best at using narration.

But I mean, like people.

You guys are thinking about the color of the dollar, right? Because it's not a color of him. If it's on my channel, I'll call him Uncle Kumis.

If it's his dollar, it's okay. It's okay. So, it's true. So, if it's all... There's one thing we have to believe. Not all... Sorry. There's one thing I believe.

That bad people don't think they're bad. They think they're right. They think they're on the right side of history.

Optimist.

That's the most realistic example. That's the most realistic. They think they are right. Because they do it like that. Just like now, anything can happen. They believe they are right.

So, it's impossible for someone to make a mistake because they believe they are wrong.

Yes.

There must be an excuse.

I don't know.

Maybe. Because, for example, Yeah. I don't feel guilty when we pet a chicken but we feel guilty when we pet a cat even though they are both animals if we place them, they are both animals why don't we want to eat if we pet a chicken we don't want to eat it because we already pet it

so there is an emotional connection even though it's not like that. I mean, when we see things like that, dehumanization is the first thing people do to fight evil. So, it's not considered human. It's the same as Umber Cummins.

What do they say? For example, they are just this. Or when people worship black people, what do they say? They are, they are just this. Or when there are people who worship black people, what do they say? They are just monkeys that don't grow. They are not like us. We are the evolution that is maximal. They are the failure of evolution.

That's why when Trump posted, ****** and ****** become monkeys, I'm sure that's one of the narratives he wants to make. That they are just apes that don't want to be humans. And that is what was mentioned in the movie Planet of the Apes. That monkeys can be more human than humans.

Dehumanization.

But there are people who know that what they did was wrong. But they still do it. But they still do it and think that if it wasn't me who did it, there will be someone else who will take it. still done. But it was done, and I thought if I didn't do it, there would be someone else who would take it.

Pure evil. That's his justification. Just like Tennis. Tennis said, if I don't do this, if I'm not evil, if I'm not evil enough, then you will all die. Do you remember? There's a new movie.

Alien. Which Alien? Romulus. That's one moral lesson I got from that. So, the film is about the premise. That in a condition where there is no choice, can humans choose logically?

It turns out not. It turns out that what is appreciated is the human side. That we are not logical. Even though he already knows that this person will die. But how can he kill his own friend? It's impossible, right?

So, from there, people want to point out that humans do have a brain. It's precisely what makes us human. But if we just ignore it, just purely a calculation, for example, there's an interesting question. We already know that there's a train, it's 100 people. If this train is straight, it will hit two people. There is a test, right? But if we don't turn it, 100 people will die.

If we just say, which one should die, two or 100 people? Logically, it's easy. It's clear that two people die, but what if people? The logic is simple. Obviously, two people die. But what if we ask them to press the button? It's not answered yet. What if you ask them to press the button?

I don't want to. So you choose one person to die?

I don't want to press the button.

If you don't press the button, 100 people will die.

If you press the button, only two people will die.

You press the button, 100 people will die. If you press the button, only 2 people will die. Oh, I see.

You press it? Yes.

The advantage is...

No, that's the situation. If you don't press it, if you just stay still, 100 people will die. If you press the button, the train will move to the left, only 2 people will die. If I have to choose, which one?

No, you were the one who was asked If I was asked, I would have pressed the brake That's the paradox The paradox is, can we be responsible and live with what we have chosen? If we go back to the point when we discussed the relationship between religion and that, power and narration If we go back, at least in Islam, we believe that this is not our will. Because if we follow our will, we will usually use force to force our narrative.

Or feelings. Feelings. Which is actually not right. Right. As it is happening now. Try to see people, sorry, Islam in Indonesia is maximal.

Sorry, maximal. Many. Dominant. Sorry, I mean, Islam is the most dominant religion in Indonesia. The question is, what is the religion that is often used as an excuse to benefit itself and harm others?

Islam.

Islam. Because we are dominant.

I'm from here.

Try it in other places, you can't. If you are in a place where there are many Christians, it means that it has the potential to be dominant and force authority. I think the point is, religion is used to throw it away, to use power to cook up a secret. It should be. Okay, summarize. Which is a little bit of an OOT from the last 30 minutes of the conversation.

But I want to know, the real horror story of Islam, the most horror, the most Ustad Felix is afraid of until now. If I vote number one, actually Dajjal, it's already clear that it's Dajjal. But you know this person has a problem, but you will pass him. That's my real horror. So you're as strong as your faith, you know he can manipulate you. What is the version of Ustaz Felix?

Nessy first.

No, Ustaz first.

Me? I'm not in religion. The person? No, I'm not. I'm the last one, this is really a horror. Seriously, I never found a horror like this.

The End of Times?

No, Epstein.

Oh, Epstein.

Because we all have uploaded it. It's crazy. I mean, I was expecting it. But, it's crazy. It's so easy. It's like this. All this time, every confession is... Sorry, every accusation is a confession.

All this time, they accused others people, but it turns out that they were the ones who were accused. And there are so many people who are accused by other people. And it turns out that we don't know. Maybe the evidence will reveal. That's really scary in my opinion. For example,

the belief that eating *** specifically, eating *** that scares you, it can make you live longer. Yes, because they say there's a... Right.

I want to tell you something.

Don't discuss it. Because this video was taken down.

Oh no. About that? I just found it. Okay.

It's even worse than... Not the scared ***. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no Monstering. So, imagine. I tell you a story about Chinese people. My grandparents told me that Chinese people believe, at least some Chinese people believe, that there are certain foods that make you hungry. For example, I was told that my family had a time like that.

And they had to eat it in a specific way. How do you know?

It's still alive, right?

Is it Ebola? I don't know.

Isn't it?

The monkey's brain is usually... In this food, the monkey only tastes like a worm. But this is different. This monkey is still alive and it has to be eaten fresh. In this food, the monkey only tastes like a worm But this is not like that This is a living monkey And it has to be eaten fresh Because maybe they already got that

The monkey is afraid So imagine there is a table The table can be divided into two In the middle there is a hole like this Then the head is like this The head is like this

The head is like this

Is this yellow dollar? No, this is the color

It's safe, right?

Maybe red.

I'm gray. I'm gone. So, it's like that. And then, finally, it's eaten. I think, when I heard that, I said, what on earth do they think?

But, your parents were Seth Felix? No, my great-grandparents. So I asked them, what were they thinking? Do you understand? We saw the cat, the cat was chasing us, I never accidentally stepped on the cat.

Because cats, you know, when it's cold, they hide in the snow. We don't know. We back and scratch. I wanted to hold it, it kept scratching. You know, like a cat. We didn't dare. I just want to hold it, it's just like that until you know it, until you know it, until you know it

we don't dare, I mean, I think about it for a long time do you understand? well, this monkey, you know monkeys are like humans

yes

in the state of him screaming like that, crying like that, do you understand? but he is actually enjoyed, do you understand? because people think like this, it's just a monkey do you understand the level of truthfulness? That's just a monkey. Because I need to live longer, for example. Or anything. And they do that.

I can't imagine it. That's one of them. I mean, that's really a horror for me. I mean, if they can do that in that level, especially in another level. But that's not the only island like that.

That's it. In history, too. but that's not the only island like that

that's it

we discussed it yesterday it's scary right? that's not the only one how come it's an island that's ready to be thrown away right there are also mansions

that are like a dozen levels how many did you get? what? how many locations for... How many you got? How many locations you found? A lot. But that's the open question. Because it's also from the western point of view.

I mean,

with the level

of what is acceptable and unacceptable from the western point of view. What is not visible in countries where the laws are different, I think it can't be counted.

Especially maybe in...

Maybe we don't know.

We talk here at a certain level,

but maybe there is a point.

Is there in Indonesia?

That's why I think...

At least in the old days.

Oh, I thought I had to say this.

In Indonesia, I was like, hey, hey, hey.

In the old days I thought I had to lift it up I was like, hey hey hey

In the old days

Do you know Tumpeng? Tumpeng, do you know? Tumpeng is to replace the human sacrifice

I know

That's different

Sugar factory?

Yes, that's right There's a ritual There's a ritual That's why there's Ayam Ingkung It's to replace the position of the person who was killed at that time

Oh, was killed?

Yes, there is a ritual, the chicken is to replace the ritual So in Indonesia there is actually So maybe it's because of human inhumanity, but they are fully aware We discussed earlier, maybe Nessy said earlier that that there are people who are fully aware that they are evil But I think they still have an excuse

Of course, there is an excuse

Because I deserve to live longer than you Because if I'm not here, the world will be in chaos Okay, back to Epsin, there are still 3 million documents that have not been released yet

If I'm not mistaken

1.4 million

Oh, the last one I saw was 3 million

the one that was dropped was 3.5 million

the one they said was 5 million there's a batch the last one I read it's from the American authorities the representative of the United States they said there's only a few left

the one that hasn't been released yet because they're still waiting for the president's approval no, not the president the DOJ maybe the censor is still not done if they say it's still a little bit

just a little bit more

the horror story that is the most horror for you

it will continue 20 years, no, 42 years I've been living that's the most thing in my opinion. I've never experienced anything like that. But I don't feel like it's just a regression. I feel like these are people who are going back to the times when people were not regulated.

People who don't have limits. I feel like this is not something new, but something that's going left behind. That's right. That's what makes me scared. Because we've discussed this before, Ferran has protested about this. It's the same in your time, the murderers. The Dajjal will come and say, Sir, there are a lot of murderers.

There weren't any before, there are a lot of them. But it's not documented. That's the point. The point is, They already know that it will be revealed, but they are confident to face it. And it is related to some statements of people, including when I see people nowadays, they say, people nowadays don't need to hide their evil anymore.

Because they feel confident that they can't do anything.

But, do you have any scary human beliefs that you've discussed? I mean, the human beliefs. Like, Epstein has a belief of duality. But, human beliefs are weird, right? Have you ever discussed that? The weirdest one.

I find it interesting. I have a story telling, I think it's a season where we discuss about cults and it's really interesting because if we read about this cult from outside we always feel like, what is this?

but it turns out there are a lot of followers who really submit and do for example Heaven's Gate

You mean you're here?

You mean you're here?

If you want to talk about sects, let's talk about non-sects. The worst sect is Heaven's Gate, right? Yes. Or...

Which one?

The mass one

900 people, right?

Or the one in Tokyo That made Tokyo now has no trash can One of them is because of that The sects are right If we look at it from the outside

We read it and think, how can people believe it?

This is weird. But there are many realities.

It's because of the mother.

Yes.

What is it?

No.

That's green. I've discussed it.

Bismillah, my channel is banned.

We're censored.

We're using Bismillah.

Do you remember when we censor it? We've been talking for 2 hours.

But it's interesting, Nessy just said, I just remembered. Russell is right. Nessy is right too. That Islam will return to the old times. It means it's true. People will return to the old times. There are crimes that now there is nothing new on earth.

But people can practice it practice and be more massive. Just like good people, there have been since the old days. But now good people are finding platforms because they can make it viral. Yes, just wait. The real viral is that. And it's actually a theory.

Actually, from what I know, people usually argue that religion is needed in countries where education is not accessible. But in a developed society, religion is not needed because there is already high empathy and sympathy. But it turns out, even among people who have access to anything in this world, like Jeffrey Epstein, DKK, they don't have the basis or foundation of what makes us human. That's right. Someone asked me yesterday, that means the answer is crazy, the words are really good. Someone asked me yesterday, do you know Kanjeng Dimas?

I know, I know. He said, do you know Kanjeng Dimas?

I know him!

I know him!

He's a man of power. He can hold money.

Like this, 100,000, 100,000, 100,000, and he throws it.

He can hold money, but do you know who's his follower? One of them is a professor. And he defended him publicly. Professor. How did he defend him publicly. Professor.

How did he defend him?

He said, this is true. Why don't you believe? This is the savior of Indonesia. Indonesia's debt can be paid because of him.

He doesn't understand the concept of evaluation.

Professor.

There's a professor, there's a member of the DPR. Seriously. Defend him. I mean, it's true, right? I mean, how high is the education of people It turns out that it doesn't save them from absurdity, right?

Yes

Yes, and I mean, with high knowledge Sometimes, what do we need that we believe That sets us as humans As simple as religion, that's what they underestimate Because religion is like science, only what and how

Hmm, there you go

So you believe that no matter how high the human being is what and how there you go so you believe that no matter how high a person is they still need religion

because I was told since I was a kid

that science and religion are not colliding they are together must be his father Judge's father

Judge's father who's his father?

Mr. Anis

Abu Nesi so cool why is his name Nesi? Or is it called Lognes?

No, no

Oh, so it's been named after the person who was in Persia

It's a conspiracy

No, my name is

Persian name Nasrin

But it's complicated Since I was a kid, people always pronounce it wrong Because the writing is different So my friends call it it's complicated, since I was a kid, people always pronounce it wrong because the spelling is different so my friends call it Nessie

Nessie? so there's a connection with Loch Ness maybe it's a mystery because they call Loch Ness Nessie it's sold a lot it's become funny again

I don't understand

okay okay, how was it? it's so cool It's gonna be funny Okay Okay

Okay, how was it, Fer?

It was so cool

Her hair was like a pillow in this episode

In the ending, it was like

I mostly listened to it a lot in this episode

Okay

It's okay

This is the second longest episode No, it's number one This is the longest 1 hour 55 minutes

the first one was 2 hours

yeah 2 hours

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thank you so much thank you guys

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