Krzysztof Stanowski. W jakiej sprawie dzwonił do niego Karol Nawrocki? | WojewódzkiKędzierski

You jumped out with this attack on me, then there was this... Jesus, why do you call every gratitude an attack? Stop hysterizing, for God's sake! Has Zero Channel ever received any money from any political party? Do you trust Maria Wiernikowska as an objective journalist and reporter? I liked her report. Does Russia allow or attack?

There is such a question in this material.

Are you proud of it?

Piotr, are you doing well in your programs, sitting next to such a pervert, a completely non-objective person, a person who pretends to be someone he is not. I think you're a tough guy. You're now... But I'm not...

You're kidding!

I'm not kidding!

You invite your brothers and friends and you say,

damn it, sure, dance.

It was a good form. You don't appreciate this phenomenon. I'll say it again. You can pretend that it doesn't exist. Maybe you don't appreciate this phenomenon either, What a bad thought in the space of a life! You can conduct all the interviews with Krystyna Janda. Really!

And you think that everyone is worth inviting to the conversation? Everyone?

Because I think that you should fuck Grzegorz Braun. Cool, Kuba.

If I discovered at least one drop of Jewish blood in me, I would commit suicide. Is that a wise sentence?

Have you talked to the politician of PiS about the fact that you need money. Wait, I called Robert Mazurka.

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...reports. I doubt it. Dry facts, unlike our gossip. Good morning. Our guest today is... ...looks at me, looks at me with his little eyes. Krzysiek Stanowski. Good evening. Good evening, good morning.

Krzysiek came to us today by bike. I looked at him with a big word, you came by bike. The association immediately with such legendary leaders of various countries, who… or the president of Ikea, right, also rode a bike, so it made an impression on me. But I'll start with a theory about Shakespeare, my dear.

So I can't relate to the bike?

You can, you can.

It's just so close, it's 500 meters. If I had to charge the traffic jams with a car, it would be pointless.

But it's like...

But it wasn't a good choice, it's still cold. But you look good on this bike, because it's not just a bike, big tires. Well, I used to look good on it, theory about Shakespeare, that Shakespeare physically was not able to write all those poems. Now there is a less conspiracy theory about Remigiusz Mroz, that he has a whole staff of people who write to him. You can find it all on Twitter. And my question is this. I did research for our meeting. Very big.

Shock, right?

Shock, shock. Some people prepare. You're changing. Yes, exactly. It's a big one. Shock, right? Shock. Shock. Some people are not prepared. You're changing.

Yes, exactly.

It's not a morning.

But we can move on to the questions.

My question is, how do you deal with all this? And I say this with absolute admiration, because you're hooked on Twitter, you're managing a staff of several dozen people, and what does it result of your strength and what is driving you? This is the question at the opening of our conversation. Because it is incredible what is happening. You know what, I have never perceived myself like that.

I mean, I have been taught this rhythm since I was a child. I probably raised this bar for myself, like the jumpers who beat records by centimeters and I didn't even notice when that centimeter turned into a meter. So, of course, I work a lot, I work too much, I'm too focused on it all, my head doesn't rest enough, I feel it, but I also feel that I'm at a point in my life where I need it a little bit, I expect it a little bit, maybe I've been waiting for it a little bit.

What is the main motivation in you now? Because there is a financial success, there is a success in the result. I think I treat it in the category of sports. This reference to the jump was usually accidental. And I think that many people, you also treat it as a sport. You want to do something more interesting than others. You want the next conversation to be more interesting than the previous one. You want more people to watch you. Do you really need it?

Not really. You could do without all of this. But it pisses you off when someone does something better. It pisses you off when a guest goes to another journalist, not to you, or goes to another one and gives a better interview than he did with you. I think that journalists have such motivations full of sport rivalry, sometimes a slight envy, of a throbbing envy, but it is always a clash between one company and another, one program and another. Speaking of rivalry, Krzysztof, I will bring it to the question between you and me.

Do you think that there is some social-cultural conflict between Krzysztof Stanowski and Kuba Wojewódzki? I think that you don't like me a little bit. I don't like you a little bit? Yes, I think so. Because the message you try to build is sometimes weakened by me or by people around me.

It irritates you, it twists you a little bit. You think to yourself, I'd beat him up. It was also a moment in your podcasts, that you were constantly pinching me here. And it was reaching me, so I saw, I saw that there is some kind of a problem.

But I mean it more deeply. But... Is there something... Because what you're saying, we can refer to what you said before, that there is some kind of a plot. No, but I mean deeper. But... Deeper. Is there something... Because what you are talking about, we can refer to what you said earlier, that it is about

a typical journalistic rivalry. And I'm curious, because we never talked about it, is there something deeper that apparently or maybe not apparently divides us a lot? Some approach to the most important things. Do you have such a feeling? I'm not talking about rivalry to spitefulness,

because I think that one of our meetings at the stadium, where we both greet each other, our girls greet each other, we are culturally present, shows that probably none of us treats it personally. No, I don't have any bad emotions at all. I have to say that.

And even if you attack me in a certain way, I know that you are just like that. It's a part of this industry. I also know how I am towards other people. And sometimes I even feel sympathy for someone. I'm not saying that this is the case on your part. But I sometimes feel sympathy for someone.

And yet I know that I can't not hit the nail in the head. So I do. I can't not to put this pin in, so I'm putting it in. I know that this is one... But are you a right-winger and I'm a left-winger in this theater? I'm not a right-winger. And I'm not a left-winger. I think you're more of a left-winger than a right-winger.

Let's try to prove it today.

All right. All right. Listen, do you feel like an authority? You know what? It has a second bottom. I mean, unfortunately, I feel like I shouldn't be there. So, whether I feel internally,

whether I feel like an authority, no. But do I feel like I'm there for some people? Unfortunately, yes. I've never dealt with it, because I, despite everything that is being said to me,

I rather don't express my own opinion on important topics. If I express my opinion on an important topic, it is based on the opinion of people who are smarter than me, people who are in my environment, who are in the Zero channel. I'm a bit of a crowd-sounder for people who are much more intelligent, much more enlightened than me, much more well-read.

And sometimes I pass on their thoughts, which I let through my own private filter. But contrary to what is considered, I'm not such a wise man, who thinks he has eaten all the senses. On the contrary, I think I have a lot of humility in this regard.

But you feel like a voice of freedom on the Internet? We do not define what freedom is yet, because we will go beyond the horizon of Poznań. Do you feel like a voice? Yes, I feel that not only me, but we all do something that gives greater freedom of expression of certain content, confronting certain phenomena than it has been accepted in recent times. And how even employees who leave you, regardless of the conditions, because it's normal in companies. They say you're a visionary of new media. Does it affect your modesty or does it affect the little, inner,

arrogant Krzysztof? I say, yes, they're right.

I'm always surprised how little you need to be in Poland to become a visionary. Well, me too, because for my generation it's big. It's a word, I'm sorry, more like Mariusz Walter. Was Mariusz Walter a visionary? I don't know. Maybe he was. But I don't see any one visionary in Polish media at all. When I read about myself, I wonder what I did.

You appeared in the right place and at the right time. I have such a life happiness that for 20 or 30 years, I appear in a good place at the right time. Maybe this is this ability. We talk too little about happiness in life. Maybe you are a man who, in the coolest way possible, efficiently handles the specific emotions of the media and Poles. These emotions are such a Polish everyday anger.

That you manage it well. Maybe yes. I mean, if I were to mention my advantages, as if we rejected such a false modesty, which is irritating for a long conversation, I think I have a lot of ease of listening to public opinion, to what the street is living, I know what will resonate in a moment, what tomorrow, the day after tomorrow can resonate, and I can switch the light of the reflector to that side and do it at the right time, not a week too soon and not a week too late. And if I took a risk with the thesis that you are an ultra cynic of new media, is that too much? Too much, definitely. But I will try to argue, I am happy to support you.

No, because I wonder, I mean, I like the word cynic. I like it, for me cynicism means a certain realism. The ability to bring things to the level of... But cynic has no rules, no values. Or he plays with them. Or he plays, but he uses them only for his own interest.

And you don't do that, right? No, I don't think so. I think that we do a lot of mission projects, which we know will not end with gigantic achievements. They will be costly financially, but we think it's worth doing them.

And what if I took a risk with such a thesis that you are a specialist in plundering? I don't know if there is such a word. That you can plunder in front of a crowd and people and cases. That you are a promoter of extremism. Will you defend yourself very much? No.

Or do you think that this is actually... No, I have such an ability. It's true. Is it an ability or is it a predisposition that doesn't always have this plus value with it? I treat it in the category of abilities. That is, many of us enter into some controversies and some are better prepared, some of us are worse, some of us win, some of us lose. I'm very lucky that usually I'm attacked by total jerks.

And that's something like... Welcome to the club! Yes. And it's really nice when you don't have to confront so-called enemies, who can make you feel broken in the eyes of the whole of Poland, but you confront people who you can, as you said, kill in 5 minutes or in an hour, while watching the movie.

One of my greatest misfortunes in life is the level of my opponents. And if I say that your vision and I will use it in 50% ironically and 50% objectively, it is a very conscious understanding that fucking everyone with everyone is the Polish gene of self-destruction in stupid discussions everyone up is the best way to succeed?

No.

No?

No, because we tried, we still try, but in this respect we are not helpful, to introduce the debate on a higher level. We wanted to have hours on a higher level. We wanted to have debates for hours on end, like at the beginning of the channel, when there were debates about CPK and so on. We managed to do such things. However, the political class in Poland is not prepared for this. People don't expect it either, but we try to make these talks as meritorious as possible.

And when they turn into a piss-joke, we get comments like we expect something different from Channel Zero. We don't want people who always argue with each other. When Zębaczyński comes to our debates, he is a great showman. I have a bit of sympathy for him. A duel with which is legendary.

Yes. People grill him for being unpleasant and prickly. I think that... But you get a bonus then. Isn't it so, Krzysztof, that you already proved with a football box,

which was often called a football box, that the brutalization of language is a patent for attention, for

watchability, for success.

OK, so now we move on to... 2008. We don't go into who says what, but what words he uses, right? Also, maybe. Form and content, well, content is a message. For sure, we as a medium, and me in particular, use such vocabulary that does not fit in the media,

in so-called serious companies. However, viewers, listeners, readers, would like someone to communicate with them in a normal language and express their emotions in a way that they themselves express them in their own heads so that they can say, damn, that's how it should be defined. Is it populism or is it a good social service?

It is a social service. Because populism would be be if we tried to catch up with some trends. This is the easiest thing to do. I think you know it and I know it very well. If I wanted to be a populist, I could, I think, double the range we have. And what would you do if you were a populist? I would jump on the easiest victims day by day. And we sometimes say, stop, this guy can be right,

this guy can be right, even though everyone is overdoing it. Or we move too far when we enter this... But you dream, you dream, such Polish, your internal version of Fox News, which is still the most popularly popular news station in the USA,

even though it shapes the alternative reality, just like you sometimes.

Do I shape the alternative reality? Let's start with Fox News. We'll get to that. Okay. I don't have dreams of a television nature, big dreams. I'm talking about a certain organized signal, written, watched, read, listened. There are such rumors that the right-wing dreamed of a right-wing TVN and I think that this right-wing TVN is called Channel Zero today.

Only that it is not intended. And it may be that suddenly everything will change because the right will come to… You should be aware, because I also think that TVN and in some way efficiently pretends pluralism, just like you. OK, I think that we don't pretend, but we do measure, measure, I think it's a bad word, with the fact that on YouTube, most of the audience is right-wing and she is more willing to watch right-wing audience is right-wing. And they prefer to watch right-wing than left-wing materials.

It can be seen by the proportions of those left-wing materials in your country.

I think it's understandable, because it's a market demand, right? Not exactly a market demand, because we would like to have more left-wing materials. We encourage them to do that. But often, creators of left-wing content, seeing that they are not watched by the right-wingers, lose motivation to keep recording. They start looking for excuses not to do it. Or they see in the comments that they are being criticized

and they expected praise. And, to put it briefly, it's not easy for people who provide you with regular content. However, in Poland, this content is still created. There are content created by leftists. The fact that 20,000 people will watch it, not 2 million, is not my fault.

I release them. Then what I want happens. YouTube algorithm gives, people click or don't click, like or don't like. My task is to give everyone space, just like we give to all political parties on our channel. Isn't it just pluralism, that you have 20,000 leftist coverages and you say, I am, I am, you can be objective. What should I do to balance?

I don't know, maybe there is also some left-wing Zembaczyński somewhere. Exactly. Who is fucking up, sorry. Listen, in the debates of the left, it looks pretty good. Zadberg in the presidential elections was very praised on our channel. His interviews with him were collecting very good reviews and had a lot of positive comments.

But I won't change... Maybe it's more about Bunkiewicz, but about the leftist one. I won't change the world, I won't make the leftist to jump from 6% to 66% and the proportion in the Internet will change as well. They are what they are. They have the support they have. I won't force people to watch the leftist content,

but I can publish it and I do. Is there any kind of leftist content, or not otherwise, is Natalia Janoszek, I know it's a press story, but we haven't talked for so many years, in a certain symbolic parable, can be considered as a symbolic mother of the christened channel Zero?

Good thesis.

Mother of the christened channel Zero.

She breaks a bottle on the ship's side. Let's take a look at how journalists, media experts, people from the inside... No. I'm telling you no. Of course, that movie was watched by a lot of people. I think about 13 million views. It was, in my opinion, a myth of your strength and Zero Channel.

But the interview with Andrzej Dragan was watched by 8 million people. We had interviews with scientists over 5 million, like Tomek Rożek. Andrzej Dragan is a phenomenon in himself. But, of course, he went somewhere where he made 8 million views? I don't think so.

I don't think so.

I don't think so.

I mean, you don't have that impression today.

That's why if it was like this, that Natalia Janoszek made 13 and then for a long, long, long time, nothing. You know, Neiman thinks he's the founder. There is some truth in it. The parents are christian. Ok. Horrible, but suggestive. Because I'm not talking about the reach, I'm not talking about the choice of characters, but speaking a little bit in legal terms, you don't have the impression that...

Kuba, I started working in 1997. Every year brought me something new. I was writing books, setting up portals, making programs, better or worse. Some were better, some worse, those that were better, there were quite a lot. But look at Krzysiek Boczek. Bringing all of this to Natalia Janoszek.

Symbolically. And Natalia Janoszek is not a story about Natalia Janoszek, it's a story about Polish media. Oh, that's it. Didn't you have the impression that you were crossing the necessary defense line before this thought-out career, that in your controversies there was sexism, there was machismo, that it all caused a gigantic rejection of the crowd, and I would show up more in your place as a hero if I attacked stupid media, because I'm probably the only program that didn't allow Natalia Janoszek to be there. And she was everywhere. Don't you think you would be a bigger hero if you went after the media? She made a trial for me, claiming that she didn't think of everything, but I thought of her.

So I went to Mumbai to check who is right. I checked and published it. And now I have to apologize for that. But don't you think that such materials somehow feed the aggression of the crowd on the Internet? You know what? I think that the aggression of the crowd feeds some phenomena fake careers for example and the constant persuasion

that someone is more valuable that someone is better, that you have to listen to him that when he is making a career he is wiser and has more to say about any topic this wisdom of the artists

Are you talking about her or about the wider audience? No, about the wider audience This wisdom of the artists, this wisdom of the whole community is irritating for people. And when it turns out that this wisdom does not even come from a career, because the career is made up, it feeds the aggression of people, not that someone has deconspired it. I think that the Netflix series about this girl, which has been in the US for a long time, feeds people's aggression and shows the phenomenon. Look, they made 6 episodes, I only made 2. Oh, it dragged on in emotions for a long time.

Or maybe this career in quotes was to be defined by an anecdote, by a joke, and not by rubbing, you really don't have the impression that you've rubbed yourself with a media lynch on a girl who is the height of E.T. And yet she won the Miss Choice. Don't make me comment on that. You don't have the impression that it smelled like a... Kuba, I already told you, I don't have that impression.

...a need for domination over the weaker? No, because the weaker could also be a great guy like Marcin Najman. It's not about... You are a sexist at this moment, not me. Because you are pulling out the argument of gender, which I never touched. I don't care if a person who... Because you were an author, so you didn't touch it.

I don't care if a person who came up with something is a man or a woman. I don't look at it that way. You think that she has a stronger and weaker sex. I don't think so. I am totally equal, you know? And I think that if there is a story, you just squeeze it out. You squeeze out the story. You squeeze out everything that is most interesting. Krzysztof, but I will ask you. And not that at some point you say, oh, and if she is so small, as you said, from the height of ET, it was very ugly, I think.

This is very film, this is a girl from the world of film, she is painting. But it is, I think, very ugly and if I had something like that, I would say that she is from the ET group, I would be in trouble. Do you remember what we decided when you were on my TVN show? That I was allowed to say more. You said that. I would like to see a film like Natalia Janoszek, not to say a series, about Dodzie.

And now the question is, do you lack courage? Because she lacks it. I know that there have a private conflict, but Doda is a star of the stage. And the fact that she is a star is probably verified. I think so, because you see how many people come to her concerts. And that is a sign of her honesty?

No, not honesty. But she didn't make up her career. I don't know what you want to compare here. If you want to persuade me to record... If you see in me a guy who as the only one can record all the movies of this world, I am very grateful to you.

This is a compliment.

But you're probably exaggerating. And you would go to such a thorough investigation as in the case of... If I was allowed, I would take a very careful investigation. Are you talking about Dodo? Yes.

Or about Eonoszek?

No, we will forget about Dodo. Remember that I am, despite all my advantages, a very merciful person.

I noticed.

And if someone is nice to me, I am... Zbigniew Boniek taught me this. Be twice as nice to people who are nice to you, but if someone is not nice to you, be four times as nice to them. And I am like that. Until someone attacks me, I really often postpone this potential attack. So I understand that it's not a matter of whether someone is less or more objectively dishonest, but what attitude does your criteria set for you?

No. Someone really has to motivate me sometimes. I record a lot of movies, almost every day. But to fly to the other end of the world, I need to have a strong motivation. I will find you a material for a movie, which is very close. Would you, Krzysztof Stanowski, would you be so eager to investigate about honesty or not in the realization of career in the case of Mr. Karol Nawrocki. But this investigation has already been carried out, hasn't it? We are in the medium that this investigation has been conducting for months.

I am very much looking forward to the court case between Karol Nawrocki and Onet, because I believe that such cases should be covered in an express clip. We should not live in a country where in 8 years we will find out if someone who was a president 3 years earlier has in his conscience what he was accused of. But you could do this kind of speed. If you can go somewhere to India, you can also try to narrow the distance between Belvedere and the palace on the island.

I can try to narrow the distance, but I can also see how much the Onet journalists tried to narrow the distance. I know that it ended in court. I know that they announced a lot of... Ah, because there is a risk, right? No, no, I don't mean a lot of risk. Mr. Nawrocki, it's not to that in a moment. It's not what I'm talking about. I also know that the journalists on the Internet announced more fragments of their investigation right after the elections, but it turned out that nothing was published after Karol Nawrocki won the elections. It turned out that they lied or that... I don't know what the other option is.

I'll go back to what I said. I'd like such investigations to be conducted immediately, because I'd like to know if the president of this country did what Onet accused him of, or if Onet is a medium that should not be treated seriously at all. Wait, now I'll say like you. You have a private answer with Onet, like I have with Dodo.

But let's not talk about your imagination, because I'm currently having a dispute with Mr. Latkowski for the fifth year about a film that was on TV five or six years ago. Let's not discuss the condition of justice. But you're not the president, Kuba.

Still.

Still. But is this a character from your worldview fairy tale, Karol Nawrocki? And here you touch on whether I have a worldview at all. You know, if you ask me the same thing about Donald Tusk, I'll tell you. First of all, you met him in private. Yes, during the elections. After the elections, we also had a few contacts. He is a very nice man and I feel sympathy for him.

I feel such human sympathy for him. And that's what I would like to feel. He was always very fair to me. However, I was the only one, when there was a confusion around the Cavalry, which surprised me, I was the only one during the debate on TV Republic

I told about this Cavalry to Karol Nawrocki. I said then that it must be explained and not in such a twisted way, but to make a specific conference in which he will answer all the questions of all journalists. But why today? He didn't ask about the slaughterhouse, he didn't ask about the Bejat, he didn't ask about...

No, Bejat wasn't there, but he asked. But wait, today we have a very plastic meeting of Mr. President with Tomasz P, I think by the pseudonym Dragon, who is said to be a criminal, leader of Kibol and Jagiellonian White, accused of promoting Nazism, beating, directing Gagiem. And you still look at Karol Nawrocki as a nice guy? Do you like such a dressy,vanetian style? Is this your world? Kuba, you know what? I think I respect people who don't pretend to come from a different environment than they do. And this is not the most desired value of Mr. President.

No, but I'm more irritated when someone pretends that he doesn't know people he knows, that he wasn't where he was. But you're saying that we should know who is an ant, that he wasn't where he was. Such things are bothering me.

But you're saying that we should know who is an antithesis to Mr. Nawrocki?

It doesn't matter. Each of us knows such people who suddenly don't admit to their old friends. You know what? Karol Nawrocki, President Karol Nawrocki, called me literally two or three times in his life. Do you have your own private phones?

I have a phone here.

But you don't have a phone to Mr. Karol Nawrocki?

Yes, I have a phone. However, once he called me when I came back from Saudi Arabia, where we were recording material with Kuebo, Kizo and Grześ Krychowiak. And he called to ask, totally, I'm sorry, from the ass, what to hear at Kizo? He's a bad city, after all.

Is everything okay with him? Kizo also had sentences. Is Kizo in good health? How is he doing? Because they met once, because Kizo also cheered for Lech Gdański in some match, they were driving together by car.

So I like it when someone pretends not to know people he knows.

But wait, I know Kizo too. Not only that, I've been on vacation with him many times. And what does it mean? I mean, is it... Krzysztof.

You want to go back to the Dragon, OK. No, I would like to ask you about one thing. Is it that someone befriended some neo-fascists, with the individuals of the community, this is a proof according to Krzysztof Stanowski,

of the character of the integrity of the general coolness.

No, this is not a proof of coolness. This is a statement... The world of pseudo-fans is not a cool world, it is clear. Well... It is not a cool world. So you have no moral or ethical doubts about the character of Mr. Nawrocki? Really none? But why did you say I don't have any? I'm asking you.

Krzysztof, do you have any doubts

about our president?

I have a lot of doubts about all the people I've met. About you, about Piotr, about everyone. And about Nawrocki, I also have. I still have doubts about the issue of the Cavalry. I do.

That's why I said I'm waiting for a court, waiting for someone to prove it. Because, unfortunately, I have doubts... Why do you give up being a judge? Because I also have doubts when it comes to the world of media. Because I am from the inside, I know journalists, I read texts about me. I know how much nonsense, lies are written about me. That's why I'm the first one who suddenly lights up a red light

when he sees specific authors in specific media. And then I either believe or I don't believe or I wait. Krzysztof, but there are topics that you throw yourself with great appetite, and here you expect others to do it. So explain to me this kind of moral deregulation. But what topic should I throw myself with great appetite? I don't know. For example, I would like to find out

whether the issue of bringing in a lady and working as a guard in a hotel in Sopot concerns Mr. President or not. Did Mr. President work as a suitor or not? I would like to know that too, but... You have more employees than we do. From what I understand, this story started to be twisted from day to day because while I was reading these texts during the election campaign

it was about him being the head of security in the best hotel in Sopot where ladies used to come to company I didn't read then that he was bringing them and that he was a suitor then this slogan started to work as a result of the activities of such and other people. I will tell you again, I would like to...

Let's not use the slogan of such and other people. They were together and so on. Some people started talking about it and it seems to me that our duty is verification. Onet said he has witnesses. Where are those witnesses, I ask?

I am a citizen of this country until the end of the interview. I'm a citizen of this country. I'd like to know. I'd like to know if one of the biggest media in Poland is credible or not. Or also, if the president of this country is credible or not.

I'd like to know. I like this answer.

Okay, but listen, we're still sitting here.

Yes, yes.

So what are we talking about? Yes, but we are still sitting here. Yes, and this case will be resolved. But unfortunately, it may turn out that this case will be resolved in 6 years. I think that when the president is bringing up the media case, unfortunately, at this moment of inequality, it should not be a case, it is a national case and this process should be started immediately. Okay, but I can give you, speaking in a language, because I will let Piotr in a moment, because I feel bad.

I will give you the ball in the way I can best, so that it is not that we are here in a tendency.

How much Donald Tusk is not a character from your fairy tale?

There is no Donald Tusk there. I never met him. But you handed him in a sports channel, symbolically, a T-shirt of of the national team, symbolically, in the sports channel. It was, of course, a shirt of the German national team. How can you do something like that? It is, in my opinion, a narration... With the name Schweissleiger.

Wait, yes, it is a narration by Krzysztof Rodem from TV Republika. I don't see any visionaries here. No, from TVP. From TVP Yes, TVP Because we were recording in that program It was a series of recordings We were recording from Fur Deutschland

Which was on TVP's TV In fact, that T-shirt was recording But it was a peek into the Kiboli No, no If someone is a permanent viewer of our program And our audience is permanent

These displays of each episode are more or less similar. People knew that we were laughing at the notorious attachment of Germanness to Donald Tusk. I still remember, before this program, it was a magazine in a sports channel. We were looking for a gift for someone.

And on one wall there was a whole wall of T-shirts. German? No, no, no. We were walking with Robert and what to give to Tusk? Because generally it's not that easy to give someone a gift, to make it at least a little funny. And at some point I pulled out the Schweinsteiger and we decided that it was a reference to the whole series of materials about German guests.

For you it was irony, for you it was some kind of parable, for you it was some kind of... How many times has it happened to you, Kuba, that someone cut out a fragment of your joke and interpreted it in a different way? I don't follow it. It's convenient.

Very.

Listen, then, starting from...

It's convenient to say so.

Yes, to the president of...

No, to do so. Yes, of course. Can I? Go ahead. To President Nawrocki. Do you think he is a good president so far? Absolutely without any irony. I think that as you asked me, or I said that I have such hearing, what the street can expect, so to speak, the street, maybe it sounds ugly,

it's a bit, Karol Nawrocki has something like that as a president. He probably shot safe for the first time and did something that the social opinion did not expect. But is it him or the whole staff, which, so to speak, I don't know, he's at the end. He's the company.

He is an independent person. We've realized that we have a president who plays the most sovereign role in the army. I have a kind of sympathy towards the president resulting from how he was treated by the media. Because when I met him, it turned out that he was a really intelligent guy. Meanwhile, he was making a total nonsense with him for months.

And this collision, which I also believed in, and what turned out to be true, was amazing for me. It's like you put an equal sign of equality between the intelligent and the honest. No, I'm not talking about that, Kuba. But wait, you're talking about the fact that he's not intelligent. I'm talking about what my sympathy is.

Wait, can I...

I told you that he's the only one... I appreciate you for having sports knowledge. But Kuba, you interrupted me. I didn't say anything like that. I said what my sympathy is. I sometimes solidarize with people who are blackened by the media. The same media that blacken me. And when it turns out that the truth about these people,

about their intelligence, not about other things, is different, I lose faith that anything that's said can be true. I don't know that. I'm waiting for the court to verify it. However, I feel sympathy for him because he's a much more intelligent person than we were all wanted to convince. And effectively, effectively persuaded until Karol Nawrocki came to Channel Zero and people suddenly said, damn, this is a completely different guy than we thought. But isn't it that the attacks on Nawrocki,

no matter if they were real or not, in general, the stabbings, didn't make him win these elections because people felt that it was really too much?

That these are attacks like that, from every side,

and they felt sympathy for him?

It is very possible that it was overheated and made that at some point people were solidarizing with someone, it's a given from every side, maybe it was like that but there are probably a lot of factors, and the main factor can also be

the inflated... Rafik, with a closed-off breath I observed what your... happening is a good word. How else to call it? Your happening. And I wonder if you, looking at these people,

if any of them would be good enough for the president? Who would you entrust your voice to, without irony?

No, not someone I would entrust my voice to. This is not the kind of person who works in Kanal Zero. This is General Raimund on the Jakes. He believed his voice at any moment. And the fact that Sikorski was not selected for the candidate for the presidency? In my opinion, he would achieve an even worse result than Rafał Trzaskowski.

I think he would absolutely confuse everyone, he would be careless and his wife would be such an easy target for the media. Taking quotes from her years ago would be a new national sport. He is very sensitive at this point, he can't avoid it. He can't pass by it regardless. In my opinion, it would be a disaster. Did Kanał Zero ever receive any money from any political party? Yes, but it will be flying.

But wait, you can promise me one thing. You can't cut this out in the form of a question and answer.

But we don't interfere in the conversation.

I mean social media. No, no. But tell me, from which side did you get financial support? Every party that puts their film in our hands, I think, pays us 12 zlotys from the film. The lowest possible rate that we have set,

which is generally allowed, because we cannot provide such services for free, so we have to do it almost for free. So, whether it's PSL, or Razem, or Confederation, or PiS, each pays about 12 zlotys. And these are the only money we have ever received from any political party. So, no illegal donations, money under the table? Not really, Kuba. I never received any donation, grant, or application for any of my activities. I was just doing everything purely commercially.

Pure capitalism, right? Yes. I want you to answer this question, because it will be a very introductory question. So, you can openly state that you have never talked to any right-wing politician about supporting the Zero Channel. Yes. You can state that. Yes. If I were to present you a sentence from a politician with a big name, right?

Yes. Then I will ask you one more question. You have never talked to any politician about supporting the Zero Financial Channel.

Yes.

Ok. How strongly...

But give it to me.

What's the matter?

Ok. Why is the opinion that you represent the model of the PiS-Confederate narrative so strongly? I mean, that's the question. Because people like you are the ones who sustain this opinion. And what does it come from? I'd like to ask you. I mean, this is a question. Because people like you, they are constantly making this opinion. Well, and what is the result of it? Well, I would like to ask you.

Okay, so maybe you have a high level of displeasure to the Germans as a nation? We have a high need for the end of the Second World War. So, historical justice related to reparations, right? I understand it well? Yes, you understand it well. I think that this matter has not been solved and the deportation of Poles for decades in this matter is immoral. OK. Do you have a lot of dislike for Brussels and do you consider Brussels to be another occupier of Poland?

No, I don't see Brussels as an occupier. I see the EU as an organization that has transformed into an organization that generates and then fixes its own problems. However, I consider the EU itself as a positive phenomenon. I am not a Polexit fanatic, but I am also not a fanatic of the EU that someone will say Oh Jesus, when they leave the EU, we will be on the border. I mean, there are more important things EU, we will be on the border. I mean, there are more important things than showing someone a passport to the border.

I just don't get this kind of argumentation. I am a supporter of the EU, but I am not a fanatic of the EU. I have to specify it to you. If it comes, because as you know, not much is needed, it in a year or two the government would change, will the sports channel be behind Polexit? Will it be following the anti-European narrative? The zero channel will not be following any narrative. Stanowski will probably announce it at the end, when he listens to the wiser people. You are talking about yourself in the third person. Stanowski, Mazurek, Zalewski, Andrzejczak, Matczak, Dębski and a lot of other people will announce it. Also guests invited.

I understand. And I will listen to it, I will draw conclusions. Do you have a problem with immigrants in Poland? I think that Poland is one of the best places in Europe to live. The more I travel around the world, I used to think that it would be the opposite,

that the more I travel around the world, the more open I will be to other cultures, to other people. However, I notice in my country, unfortunately, I don't know, it's probably some kind of a defect, However, I notice that I'm starting to close myself a little bit inside and appreciate what we have in Poland. So, peace and security.

Yes, and I think that our internal integrity is really our huge asset, in the background of what happened in Great Britain, France, Sweden, in many, many countries. So the answer is? The answer... Specifically, the question is...

Do you have trouble with immigrants? Yes. Do you think they are useful for our GDP, for example? They are useful for our GDP? They are useful for GDP, but they are also a threat for our sense of security.

So the answer is?

That I have a problem. Do you have a problem with homosexuals? No.

And with gender ideology?

I have the impression that it is some created once a password, which no one knows what it means and it sounds. A field that people study, but I'm omitting it. Yes, I saw it on the Sierżon University, but it's hard to study it for more than 6 years. Well, it's your opinion. Would you like Poland to continue to help Ukraine and Ukrainians?

Yes.

Are you for the protection of the life of the deceased?

Yes.

Are you for the vaccine's voluntary? I don't know. It probably depends on the type of vaccine. But generally I'm for the vaccines that are important for the whole society to be mandatory. So that the lack of vaccine in someone's country won't affect my children and their health. I'm wondering, if you, as you see... What answers did I give in the matter of our right-left conflict? Answer the same questions, please.

But wait, this is our interview with you. I understand, but out of curiosity. When I come to you, if you remember... But you won't come to me, because you said once won't come anymore, because you were interested to come then. No, I wasn't interested. We agreed that I would come to you. No, you said business. I to me, you to you.

Wait, we can both look each other in the eye and say, we have fulfilled the principles of our agreement. You came to us, I came to you. In my opinion, colleagues from the confederation, I say colleagues, because Mencen and he was here, Mensen and Bosak. They are not conservatives. They are nationalist, fanatic, clerical, populists. And do you agree with this theory or is it too general to... I think it's too general. And I think it's also... You can't say that Bosak and Mensen are the same.

And don't you think that conservatives have respect for tradition, for the state, for the law, for the social hierarchy, for private property. In my opinion, they often brag about these values. Our colleagues from PiS do it too. This word is a form of pretending that I am conservative, so I represent X values, which were built on the ruins of the Polish Republic. It is known that this is auditions there is a slogan As long as Stano, because that's what they call you, beats Tusk's gangsters and her media, everything is OK. You are aware that my questions, not because I made them up,

but they are the essence of what I read and what I find about your activities. That you are a bit treated as a right-wing fighter.

Now the question is, are you comfortable with it?

Or, to put it bluntly, are you fucked up?

Yes.

Are you comfortable with it or are you fucked up?

You said it second.

I just don't want you to be the more vulgar one today. Okay, so...

Yes, I'm fucked up, especially that I know that it can change in a moment. I know that in two years we will have a choice, maybe another option will win and suddenly it will turn out that the other option is a total failure and they will be the ones to take it over and then the story will turn around again and I will be a rainbow Chris and not a brown Chris. Everything changes. And really, the fact that today Donald Tusk is not doing well

as shown in the research, as a prime minister, because I think 60% of people there decided that he is doing bad. It's not my fault, we as a media show it. But when he will be doing, I don't know, even worse as prime minister and 70% will judge him negatively, we will also talk about it. And then the audience that praises me today will attack me, will say that I betrayed ideals, that I sold myself. You promise that you will be a rainbow Chris, because you said It depends on what reality will be

I will be with you, I will try to be honest I hope we leftists will continue this government I hope that the new government will simply or this one will simply rule so well any government that it will not be fucked up day by day

And why do you have or otherwise how do you react to the opinion that you are very greedy? I said it before. Yes, that you don't leave comments on your topic without a hook, without a often massive answer.

Now my question is, is this an effect of your personal sensitivity or awareness that a strategy of loud noise is a range is an algorithm and who is money. I'm sorry. You know what? I'm a vengeful person, but I'm also not very memorable. You're a vengeful person, but that sounds bad. I'm throwing a lifebuoy at you.

What does it mean that you're a vengeful person? I've already said that. I'm a vengeful person, but I'm not a revengeful person. I'm the opposite. I'm a revengeful person, but I have trouble with my memory. I don't know which one of you to befriend. I once quarreled with someone and I think I'm angry at him, but I don't even remember what. And that makes me unable to keep fighting. But revenge, I just can't let it out.

People want to jump on me. People want to insult me with mud. Why do you call it jumping? You are an object and subject of debate. I don't argue with anyone. I think silence is a gigantic answer, Krzysztof. I'm never a coward when someone doesn't lie about me. When someone just follows me because they don't like me. But I'm angry when my name is used to build a range of lies about me. Then I'm angry. Of course, there are people I don't react to at all.

Because a big dog doesn't bite a small dog. I understand that you are standing in a big position, right? You put me in a big position in this program. So what position am I supposed to be in now? I am just wondering one thing. Together with Robert Mazurka, who I appreciate very much for his intelligence,

he knows about it, you have mentioned the name of 14-year-old son of Dorota Wysocka Sznaf. What have we done? You have mentioned his name, that he's connected to his grandfather's name. In general, touching children in a public debate... Touching children, Kuba? Krzysztof, for God's sake...

Is Kuba Wojewódzki or Dorota Sznef sitting in front of me now? I'm asking a question because I was a witness to this debate. But you're asking if Dorota Sznef is asking this question. But what kind of a post is this? I'm asking you a question. Because it's so stupid, it's not your style. You think that attack on a child... We didn't attack a child, Kuba. Why are you even bringing up a child in a debate?

That a 14-year-old boy has the same name as his grandfather? It's definitely funny. And it's politically proven. I know, Krzysztof, this type of debate. Kuba, please stop. Because PiS was following my father, who was a prosecutor in the PRL, non-stop. I will only ask you a question.

What impact did I have on who my father is? And what impact does my friend's 14-year-old son Dorota have? That Krzysztof Stanowski used his argument in a debate with his mother. If you had some unpopular names, for example... Jakub is an unpopular name. Unpopular. Very unpopular.

I know a few Jakubs, but I don't know any Zygfryds. If you were called Zygfryd and your grandfather was called Zygfryd, and your grandfather would do ugly things, and yet his daughter, and your mother, would give you a name in his honor, Zygfryd. Is this your diagnosis or is it a fact you a name in honour of him, Zygfryd... Is this your diagnosis or is it a fact that it was in honour of your grandfather?

You know what... Because I have the impression that you are walking around in the orbit of your own interpretation. First of all, it is my diagnosis. Secondly, you can find an interview with Mrs. Dorota from years ago on the Internet, where she says that she rewards her children with names in honor of previous generations. That's what I would consider. That's what I remember.

Don't you have the impression that when parents are tough, they attack their children? You see, you throw a password, someone may not know, and the password falls, maybe it will stick to me, that we attack children. Dear Lord, there was nothing about her son. It was only that she gave her son's name in honor of Maximilian. And that's it. It was she who started to make a mess around her child.

It was she who took out the child on the banners. It was she who started to play with the child. It was she who led to all the media starting to write who her child is, what school she's in, if she's in Poland, if she's in Italy. She was spreading confusion around her child. But let's close this. If you could go back in time, if you could use this argument about a child with a strange name in the grandfather's home, do you think it's still okay?

Yes. Thank you, I have no more questions. Okay, listen, we're coming back after the break. You can subscribe, you can give a thumbs up and I'll let myself ask a few questions, okay?

And then...

Of course, it sounds like a request.

You'll let go or you won't give it back.

Because I have a few more threads for Krzysztof.

Our guest?

Our guest, Krzysiek Stanowski. You're watching Wojewódzki Kędzierski, thank you. Thank you.

We're after a break. Thumbs up, subscribe. Krzysiek Stanowski is our guest on Wojewódzki Kędzierski.

When you look at his smile, you can get the impression that he's a good person, right? And then he responds.

No, I see more of Grinch. You know, that smile from ear to ear.

Will there be any?

There will be.

Listen, your photos from the nightclub appeared. And the first thought that came to my mind, I thought to myself, wow, he has already really, really annoyed someone. And I thought to myself that this is some kind of vendetta for what you do. Did you get such a hearing or did you also get...

But he doesn't have a picture of Janusz Korczak, for God's sake. No, no, no, wait, but the list of people who... There are elements of this story that surprised me. Among others, there is a story that such photos, assuming that it was made by a random guest of this club,

go to the portal belonging to the Republic, which no one really knows. It seems to me that if someone made me such photos by accident, in the first phase he would send it to Pudelka, to Kozaczka, to Pomponik,

and not to a website that no one has ever heard of. So there are some signs of questions that appear in this, but at the end I can only have complaints about myself. Damn, the swindler turned on after the drink, we went, sat down, we left. And don't you think that the media market reacted very kindly? People were laughing and saying, well, you know, Stanowski, go, go.

And what happened? Exactly. That's why I say, very gently. But still, Tomasz Lis, standing behind you, it's a shocking story. Really, it shook me. But let me continue this thread. Because, how many people did you upset? Do you have a list? Well, you know, I play with adults who fight for money.

It's a big business. We are the biggest rival, not for TVP, not for TVN, but for the Republic. Is the right-wing side consider you and like you? Or is it jealous that you have... Wait, how can you ask such a question, since Jarosław Kaczyński, after the presidential elections,

personally thanked the Zero channel in a conversation with Anita Garra, that he thanks the Zero channel very much. The same was said by Sandberg. The same was said by representatives of various parties. Where is the coal mine today? It doesn't matter. You didn't like it. You are building a certain image again.

I am not building an image, I just have a different reality. It would be great if we acted in the elections on someone's order. Meanwhile, representatives of all parties thanked us. And only thanks from Kaczyński are drawn. Yes, we introduced pluralism in the elections. We introduced the fact that all the candidates could talk, could say what they wanted, could introduce themselves. And yes, I don't treat it as anything bad, that Kaczyński thinks that we did a good job, because I think so too.

And as Chłownia thinks so, as Zandberg thinks so, as, I don't know, Biejat I just answered Piotr's question. I mean, I thought you were unbearable. Everyone was afraid to jump to Stanowski, because they were afraid of Gong. And I wonder, because... I didn't give him a back. I gave him a body.

What kind of Gong can you give me? I'm looking for a cure.

Zero TV was supposed to start. And this is also some form of, I think, gong. No, wait.

Everything will be fine. How often Krzysztof Stanowski, the owner of the Zero channel, conducts internal ethical debates with Krzysztof Stanowski, the journalist of the Zero channel? Because this is interesting. This is what I'm curious about.

Of course, I mean certain dilemmas related to the sponsors of Channel Zero.

You know what? I have dilemmas every day. For example, I was wondering recently whether I should invite Lena Polańska.

The Poland star.

The star of OnlyFans. A very nice girl. I saw some statements on TikTok. I think it would be possible to make an interesting conversation about an interesting phenomenon of the 21st century. But I decided that the scrap of some kind I will collect for it. It will be disproportionately large. Wait, wait, Krzysztof. You're going into hypocrisy. I decided to finish with Lena because I've said many times that Onet is promoting sex working. If I had done such an interview, it could have been considered that I'm doing the same thing, that I'm hypocritical.

I realized that it's a waste of energy on this topic. Waluś is a phenomenon I wanted to face. I faced him. I think I exposed him. He came out as a fanatic, as a simple guy who was manipulated to commit murder. I mean, for sure, someone who considers Walus as a hero... It was hard for me when I was watching this conversation.

When someone considers him as a hero, he would think to himself, let it end. But when he was sitting down to the interview, rubbing his hands, it was like an interview with Leo Messiaen. It turned out that he was not. Wait, because we got a little confused. At the beginning, it depended on whether you were interested, because we are interested in, in this audience which has a crazy commercial dimension, the origin of the capital that is supplying your media. Yes, very often we don't accept any ads, we think that visually it is unnecessary.

Sometimes, of course, we don't do enough, we investigating some case, like all media. I mean, the question is, why Roman Giertych, there is no reason to hide one of your favorite characters, claims that your advertisers were involved in the court of Tynerstwo. Roman Giertych, among others, got a letter for that and stopped giving himself, letter from the lawyers, and stopped giving himself on my topic on Twitter.

I think he will come back at some point, because he won't be able to stop. However, Roman Giertych writes out various nonsense and has his own sect, I don't even know if people or bots, So he doesn't reach the truth, he just likes to do it. They are involved in the destruction of someone or someone's image. I'm definitely on his target. He would definitely like Channel Zero to cease to exist, that Stanowski ceased to exist. I'm 100% some kind of a fool.

These are very strong arguments. And why don't you treat it as a controversy between two alpha males? You finally got your own. This is not Natalia Janoszek. You know what? I liked these internet controversies with him,

but you presented it as a draw. Meanwhile, to be honest, it wasn't even. I mean, I was disappointed with Roman Agiettek's level of controversy. In that case, who do you feel respect for? Who do you like, or who wouldn't you like to provoke to answer you?

Is there such a person in the world, in the Stanowski universe?

It depends, you know, I feel respect for specialists in a given field. I won't name a specific person. If we talk about economics, I would say someone, and about sports, I would say someone, but I don't know. And in your category is there someone like that? Except of course Jakub.

I don't know.

And who is... And Jakub Kurek, a controversial figure and the company Ancensor VPN, registered in Panama, is this a person you know? Yes. After all, I wrote that I know him. I've seen her three times in my life. I mean, do you have a feeling that someone has followed you? Or you didn't keep an eye on her? I'm just curious. Different companies also report to us. I'm not an expert either, so I wonder if it was a mistake.

Or did you think that maybe it will pass and no one will notice that it's a company that is a little bit of a pirate service? But this service is not a pirate.

It's not a pirate.

It's a normal VPN. The controversy was about something else, completely. What was Jakub Kurek's business in the past. I advertised a specific VPN service, which was working normally. And Jakub Kurek invented that... That he would be a mediator in the sale of this service.

That Poland, due to the law that is introduced in the EU, is a perfect market to create and sell such a service. This service worked and we advertised it, just like a lot of other media in Poland, it was advertised in Poland as well. However, every excuse is good to hit us. But don't say us, we just ask a question. You like the syndrome of the constricted jaw. Someone asks Stanowski a question, why are you trying to destroy us? I've been functioning in a constricted jaw for two years.

Do you understand?

But wait, this is a natural thing. You are a real character. The syndrome is when I come up with something. And a confined fortress is when you are actually surrounded. I am a stone in the shoe for leftist media and rightist media. I am a stone in the shoe for politicians and for rightist media for politicians I'm a stone in a shoe and for activists I'm a stone in a shoe

Jesus, I have the impression that you, Krzysiek, you're breaking the myth of Krzysztof who, I think you're a tough guy you're now getting mad I'm not getting mad I'm just telling you

you invite your brothers and friends and you say damn it, sure, throw yourself I'm telling you not to say I have a syndrome, because it would mean I'm some kind of a faggot. I don't have a syndrome, I just have a stronghold and I'm shooting with everyone. And that's it.

But that's what you're talking about. Yes, but don't feel sorry.

I'm sorry if I disappointed you.

For a moment, yes. A friendly and private question to Krzyśek from me. Because you became a star of the first VGOL. I dare to say that. And I wonder, because, damn, Twitter is full of different opinions, hatred, these photos come out. Does your family just suffer from what is happening, from this storm around you? It happens. And how do you deal with it? How do you try to make up for it?

Or even let them make up for it? Because... It's probably impossible. The situation seems to me, be, well, damn, hard on a human level. It's probably impossible to be compensated for. What can you do?

But your wife takes your hand and says Krzysiu, leave it alone, don't tweet it anymore, don't answer Giertych. The kids will be at school tomorrow. I mean, the kids are on a different level. I mean, kids are on a different level. I mean, I'm in their world, in the world of their friends,

I'm someone known from TV or from the Internet, so it means something, right? However, is my wife a fan of all my wars, and my notorious activity? Well, definitely not. She would probably prefer me to go to the Amazon jungle for half a year.

Which will not happen. But is she a reviewer of what you do. Moderate.

If I discovered in myself at least one drop of Jewish blood, I would commit suicide. Is this a wise sentence?

No, well, stupid. This is what the lizard said to you. Well, brother, comrade. And so I wonder. Maybe it's time should investigate this country. I can give you interesting consequences.

Yes, it is very unclear and it is omnipresent. Is the declaration of extreme tolerance for those who declare extreme intolerance not a risky occupation even for such a transgressor of political correctness as you, Krzysztof? And you think that it happened?

Well, the invitation of brothers-comrades. like you, Krzysztof? And you think that it happened? Well...

Invitation of brothers and comrades. After all, we got the biggest blow not because we invited them, but because we verified what they said. We verified in a high-quality way, but people were disturbed by the fact that we didn't let them speak freely, but we confronted their opinions with the opinions of other people.

However, you know what? Close your eyes, cover yourself with a blanket, pretend that we are not there, pretend that some phenomena do not occur, do not work. This is not a solution. You have to get to know these people. And give them a voice, give them a medium. And you have to disarm them a little. If they say some sentence about, I don't know,

the armament that we gave to Ukraine and then general Andrzejczyk can come in and say that it was completely different. And their fan must suddenly face the sentence of the head of the staff of the Polish General Army. This is an element of disarming. If you take out at least one person from their gang, it's your little victory. But this is your definition of freedom of speech.

So I invite extreme pathology, which expresses extreme opinions, and I don't even have the thought that thoughts like Jaszczur's can stimulate the worldview of people who are not very self-aware, and there are a lot of such people

susceptible to other people's opinions.

You wrote it nicely, Kuba.

Because these are my questions.

I understand. You wrote it very nicely. However, the program looked different. The program looked like we wanted to disarm their opinion, show it to their fans.

How many fans did you have before the audition? and how many fans they have after the audition.

I don't think they would have grown. You don't appreciate this phenomenon. I will say it again. You can pretend that it doesn't exist. Maybe you don't appreciate this phenomenon either, what is a bad thought in the space of the universe. You can conduct all the interviews with Krystyna Yanda. Really. Sit with her 24 hours a day and only Krystyna Janda will be saying what people should hear. But somewhere else something is happening and it's worth checking what.

Because if you don't know what's happening, then in the next elections you will wake up in Vilnius, Poland. Was it a good form of verification or showing their world? This program wasn't good. This journalist wasn't good. This journalist wasn't good. He's a boy. I don't want to say that.

But it was visible. He was helpless against demagogy. Ok. I think he realizes that he didn't do well. Krzysztof, we can clear it up a bit. Yes, that's why this interview was cut off by the opinions of experts, because he couldn't do it. He couldn't do it. He couldn't do it on vision. But in your opinion, was it a dance on the edge of freedom of speech or capitulation of journalist's responsibility?

It wasn't capitulation. I think that with people who generate such a great reach and are a social phenomenon, they have psychophans. They should be talked to, they should should show that they are not wrong, you should show their fans that their idols are not wrong. And such a bomb, not disarmed for years, at some point explodes in such a way that there will be nothing to collect. I think that all media should deal with disarming such bombs, and not pretend that the counter is not ticking. Have you already recorded an interview with a journalist? No, because I do interviews live.

Wait, so I understand, so that we also close it, that the freedom of speech of Krzysztof Stanowski is the possibility, not to say the right of speech, of such things that others do not want to listen to. Am I reading it right?

Oh, damn.

It's hard to argue with this definition.

I mean, I think that the essence of democracy is listening to minorities, even if they were crazy. That's my opinion.

Do you agree? It's similar to the previous one. Then why, when Eliza Michalik has a completely different opinion about Zbigniew Ziobro, I quote, you say that she's a f*****g bitch because she thinks differently. Why do you think Maja Staśko is a minority, a f*****g bitch who likes to hysterically f**k herself, since she is a minority and has the right to say things, let me finish, which again, someone who watches our conversation will think that I called him a fucking bitch.

And did I?

And you didn't quote him? You didn't say that? Well, I'm asking you about the source of this goctat. Well, I won't tell you what source, because I'm not noting the source here. But I wonder... Because I didn't say about Maja and Taśko that he is a fucking bitch. Such words have came to my mind.

So please, don't make a monster out of me, because it will be a long story, where there is no reference to me at all. And there will be no such thing that I say that it is not true. So I understand that you had no controversy with these two ladies. However, I would like to refer to the first sentence.

What do you mean? To the first lady, to Elisa Michalik. If you think that it's a matter of another sentence, then we are a bit confused. I said what I said, because I said there

that I'm telling you no, and I'm telling you yes. I said that she's fucked up, because she said, in short, that Zbigniew Ziobro has a disease in his mind, and when he dies, she will apologize to him, because then it will turn out that he did not think. Well, sorry, this is some kind of a level of disregard that I do not understand.

This is a level of some over-reaction, only dressed nicely, in a skirt, painted, combed, but over-reaction all the time. And these are not things that a sensible person says. Wait, is a sensible person and a person who is not too much intellectual, who says slogans, who says anti-Semitic slogans in front of the camp in Oświęcim, I'm talking about Grzegorz Braun, is invited by you, then I don't understand your category.

I don't understand your question either. When did he say those slogans and when was he invited? The chronology is wrong. Ok, I mean... Wait, stop. Inviting Grzegorz Braun is an open-mindedness. When Grzegorz Braun said what he said in Auschwitz,

a day later in Auschwitz, our journalist recording educational material about Auschwitz and gas chambers in Auschwitz, to show how it was really like. Ok, so let's move on to the chronology. And Grzegorz Braun was a candidate for president before. And yes, I think that the role of the media is not to choose those candidates for president, who are worth listening to and those who are worth blackening.

I think that when there are presidential elections, candidates for president, maybe a little bit in this matter, I gave my body because I didn't I listened to Maciak, but I listened to everyone else. Were there other media in Poland that did it? I think that's what democracy is about. You, Kuba, you really like to talk about democracy, you really like to talk about

democratic standards. Democracy is about citizens, especially when they are a public media recipient, being able to meet every candidate for president, with their program, their personality, their life story. And not that media serves to win elections for someone. Really? Yes, I think that Grzegorz Braun as a candidate for president had the right to appear in the Zero channel and give an interview. And it's nice to host a guy, I'm talking about Grzegorz here.

Journalism doesn't have to be cool, Kuba. It's just sometimes mandatory. Okay, it's nice, intellectually, to host a guy who takes a few minutes to go from the rhetoric of God's happiness to the rhetoric of Mr. Vita? He said so earlier, sticking to the chronology. You invite a guest who speaks such words publicly to the minister of health Adam Niedzielski. And I wonder if I should invite him when he is running for president. Tell me, shouldn't a candidate who has 10% be invited. How should I select candidates for the president,

those who can be listened to by a citizen who votes for the election or not? Who should make this selection? Is there any group of wise men who say that we listen to Trzaskowski and not to those? But what choice?

In the mainstream media, there was only Trzaskowski, and no one invited Nawrocki, Braun. But I'm not a spokesman In the mainstream media, there was only Trzaskowski, and no one invited Nawrocki, Braun...

But I'm not a spokesman for the public media.

I understand, but you're talking about the media's condition. You're constantly talking about the media's condition. So I'm asking, who decides which candidate for president should be listened to? But wait, your media partner, Robert Mazurek, claims that freedom of speech allows him to say everything he wants. Do you agree with this definition? He has his own definition of freedom of speech and he applies it. But he is his co-worker. He sets a certain aesthetic of dialogue and debate in your channel.

And he says what he wants. Yes. And if Grzegorz Braun started to talk about how beautiful daughter Robert Mazurek has and wanted to determine what school he goes to, would that be freedom of speech? You want to make me a fan of Grzegorz Braun? No, I'm just looking for the limits of freedom of speech, which in my opinion is connected with a gigantic responsibility for this word. Wait, then count me in for what Grzegorz Braun said in an interview with me, and what I did not counteract. Not that you take statements from interviews in the space of 10-15 years. Krzysztof, I will extract... Grzegorz Braun was a candidate for president.

He gave a three-hour interview. Honestly, when I listened to this interview, it seemed to me that his notes were flying on the head and neck and it was enough for him not to disturb because he was talking pro-Russian nonsense in my opinion then.

And you think that everyone is worth

inviting to the conversation? Everyone? to start a conversation with everyone, because I think that we should fuck Grzegorz Braun. Cool, Kuba. So fuck Grzegorz Braun. Really. Okay, and in that case, how about me, the viewer? Because I think that the media have a mainstream, especially a huge crisis. Where can I, as a viewer, or where can our viewers find the truth? Epstein's affair shows that everyone interprets everything under their own agenda, to put it bluntly. Republicans, Democrats... And the funniest thing is that some of these...

...comedy-like conspiracy theories suddenly turn out to be shocking truth.

First of all, don't trust anyone. Don't trust anyone in this channel, and don't trust Stanowski. But not because we want to lie to someone. We make mistakes. We record things that turn out to be untrue after a while, and we recorded them in good faith. There are media that have similar accidents to ours,

and there are those that lie by nature. But you can't trust anyone. Unfortunately, as a media receiver, you have a bad day today. Because you are attacked by information from every side, contradictory information, usually two contradictory pieces of information, and none of them is true.

You can't trust anyone today. That's the sad truth. You can choose the media you can trust the most. And you can trust Maria Wiernikowska as an objective journalist, reporter? I liked her report, if you can say that.

But what were the pros and cons of this report? How would you assess it from your perspective?

Does she say things we don't want to hear, so she uses her freedom of speech,

or is she rubbing off on Russian propaganda?

Have you watched it?

Yes.

No, Kuba.

No, I haven't. I'm not preparing, I haven't read, I don't have sources. Have you watched it or not? Tell me. I have.

Which episode?

The sixth.

I don't have.

Tell me. I wonder that this girl, woman, we know each other, collects very extreme reviews. From a worthy continuator of Ryszard Kapuciński to a proclamatory useful idiot. And again I have a suspicion that you, Krzysztof Stanowski, are so clever and calculated that you know that there will be a noise, that there will be controversy, and that the coin will follow. And I don't feel that you want to play in the big journalism. You know what? But this series was a big journalism at times.

The only problem is that most of the people who didn't watch it, especially in the three-episode series, not six. People who have never watched it. This material from Tomsk, these statements of a taxi driver about the nature of Russia, about what is happening, how many people are being terrorized. Let's get down to earth. Does Russia liberate or attack? There is such a question in this material. Are you proud of it? Of course Russia liberates. There is such a dialogue, Krzysztof, in this material. Are you proud of that?

Of course Russia is liberating. There is a dialogue like that, Krzysztof, in the material on your channel. Kuba, the journalist shows the detached, shamed people. Shows the head injury. This is the erasing of the regime's responsibility. No, what are you talking about? She talks to them and says directly that you have attacked Ukraine.

She confronts them. But Maria has this amazing sense of opening people up with a smile, with such personality that they open up to her and start talking. And thanks to this, you can get to know the perspective of a guest who has a crazy mind. You can, of course,

admit that you don't want to know what he's thinking. You can admit that. You can close your eyes again and see nothing in the world. But you show that showing the concern of a human face, of a deep Russia, is today... What concern?

Absurds are shown. She comes up to a soldier that deep Russia... What a concern! They show absurdities! She comes up to a soldier who has no arm and says, I'm going back to the war! I have arms, I will fight! And he looks for a moment, oh no, I don't have arms anymore, I'm sorry.

She shows it. As if... that these people have gone crazy. A conversation at the station with a soldier who is coming back from the front, but he is not sure if he is coming back or if he is just going to the front.

What is his name? All his friends died. He says he only went to get money and was a little bored in the garden. And he is a wreck. And you can see that this stress, this PTSD, I don't know what it's called, is just shot up in space. shot into space, it shows how it is from the inside, who is on the other side. It's like you sneaked into the Orcs' camp and showed who is there and what the Orcs are talking about.

Don't romanticize this report. There is no romanticist in the Orcs, Kuba. In your debate, which was led by some boy with his comrades, the question is whether Vladimir Putin... Not some boy, David Hench, journalist. You were also a young journalist once. I didn't take such responsibility for myself, you know, which exceeds my intellectual capacity. People make mistakes, but you don't have to call an adult a little boy.

Whether Vladimir Putin is a criminal, criminal, and the lizard says, I don't know anything about it.

And do you know anything?

It's you. Putin is a criminal, it probably fell from the channel zero a million times. But can you ask such a question? Yes, you can, to find out who is on the other side of the table. Because this is a question that often deconspires different people.

Is Vladimir Putin a criminal? Braun can't say yes. And in my opinion, it deconspires him in a way. And there is nothing wrong with asking questions that you know the answers to. Okay, so let's deconspire one thing. Is it hard to get a trip to the territory of Russia and the TV crew from Poland?

We didn't send the TV crew. Maria herself went there, and the operator was not even ours. He was hired in Russia. Did you have any restrictions or restrictions? You have to ask Maria. So you don't know, for example, if her co-workers accompanied her to the GRU, for example? No, I don't know anything about it. I don't think anyone would accompany her.

Don't you have such a discomfort that you hire a person who once wrote that Putin is a husband of the state with great achievements? I'm sick of it.

It's her writing.

She wrote it before the war, Kuba. My husband of the state with great achievements. She wrote it before the war. Really, before the war he was a husband of the state with great achievements, I refer to the definition of a husband of the state. And now, wait, she wrote it before the war. Now I have to admit that she can't work anywhere anymore because she wrote it. You know what, this is a woman who was in more wars than half of the Polish generals.

She saw various war crimes done by various troglodytes, various scary types. I have not survived her. She may have her sympathies and antipathies. Who knows, maybe she even prefers Russians over Americans, because maybe in her life it happened that she saw more bad things in the performance of one, not the other. It's hard. I assess what material she brought. She brought excellent material from Russia,

showing an oppressive state, mad, crazy people, a state in which you can't do anything without the knowledge of the authorities, a country that... Did the praise of this report about Kaliningrad in Russian media,

and it was so, does it mean that it was an objective, reliable journalistic work, in your opinion? You know what, Kaliningrad, it's like you went to Wroclaw and made a material. It's not Russia. But if someone does it on the basis of the first episode, where nothing happened, but Maria went and said that they have Dutch cheeses and Coca-Cola in the store, we can admit that they don't have it.

We can make an agreement with Kuba that they don't have any cheese or Coca-Cola, if it improves our mood and we will then... Don't make a deal with me, no, no, no, don't engage me in your argumentation Listen, if she recorded a material there that there is no cheese or Coca-Cola you would say, yes, this is a real Russia, you can do such materials but when she showed that there is a cheese and Coca-Cola

I'm glad that Krzysztof Stanowski can read in Łódź today

This report has its parts, because it is a journey of Trans-Siberian Railway through Russia. I would like to read it in your head. I am very curious. You will tell me again that I am personally involved in this. And when will you tell me which politician paid me? Because we were supposed to come back to this.

We will come back to this in a moment.

I'm glad. Thank you. What journalistic arguments, because I understand that such were mainly included in the B-rate. You were offering your work to editor Tomasz Kamel. I'm a big fan of Tomasz Kamel.

And? Something more?

It always seemed to me that you like people without compromises. Now it's the stage of your private war, right? Don't change my questions into a private war.

Your questions are based on your personal emotions. Don't change my questions into private wars.

Your questions are based on your personal emotions. No, my questions are based on my personal curiosity. I will satisfy your curiosity. I always thought that you like people who are uncompromising, with character and rebellious. I consider Tom Cammel a television animal, a man who has not been used by TV, because a man who has not presented what he has in his head, but what he wrote on the prompter.

Very good definition of your employee, congratulations.

That's how it happened.

The king of opportunism.

Wait, I say that before in the media he was engaged in... You said he was talking with other people's thoughts, you defined him. Yes, he was a conferencer. However, I also told you that now he can show what he really thinks and I think he's great. Don't you think he's trying so hard to be useful to every new employer that he forgot what he really is? No, I think he is... He adapted to you. Don't you see that?

No, I think he's one of the most interesting personalities I have met. Don't you have the impression that the disobedience of journalists is the real attitude of freedom, and he has never represented such an attitude? Damn, do all journalists have to be extremely disobedient? I don't think so. No, it can be according to the situation. I think there are different branches in this journalism industry to manage and you can, for example, efficiently conduct interviews.

And Monika Goździalska, was that your idea?

Mine.

This is the essence of empty celebrity. I would even say stupid celebrity. I don't know you, so I don't have a private one here. I will not judge in this way. Her promotion as a sponsor for DNA renewal gave me the best example. Yes, it was the moment when our relationship cooled down a bit. But tell me, were you proud and what was the direction? But in general I told you that I was proud.

No, because I wonder, you know, these are the faces of a very author's channel. I was curious, what criteria? I liked her energy, she is a volcano of energy. I like her energy and I came up with the idea that she will be infecting with this energy at a good start of the day at 7 a.m. I think that in the morning you have a few discoveries at your end. Jacek is doing great, Wawunio. But I have another question about Diozo, the shocking material you've published. I wonder how it is possible, and I'm asking you about the phenomenon, that you present a film like this, and there are still hundreds or tens of thousands of people on Diozo's profile,

who simply don't see what is the truth. Because if these people had to admit that we were right, they would have to admit to themselves that they were idiots for years, that they were deceived, that they were naive. For sure, there are people like that. However, it is the hardest to tell yourself that you are stupid. It is easier to say that Konrad Krasucki, who made this material,

that he is stupid, corrupted, blah blah blah blah blah. So it's easier to throw everything on the journalist and admit that it's not true, because it's easier to live with yourself then. But don't you have the impression that the Internet forgives more and more? Like, I don't know, Janusz Palikot, who now has a podcast, in which there is, in turn, Mr. Krzysztof Rutkowski, who also has a lot of ears and can speak... The Internet is not fair.

The Internet forgives some people very easily, some people it doesn't forgive at all. Kuba recently had a guest, whom the Internet doesn't forgive, Dubiel.

Yes.

It forgives others very quickly. Gonciarz may forgive, may not. We'll see. It happens differently. There is no one rule. But generally, generally, as far as the rules are concerned, I probably forgive too soon. Probably some sins can be washed away, not even by one's own penance, but by the sins of someone who committed them a day later. And do you have any transfer plans when it comes to people? Because I still don't feel your key, but I don't have to. The choice of employees.

Do you have any dream candidates you would like to see? I have, but if I say, my negotiating position will fall. Okay, but these are people from TV, right? Also.

From TVN too?

Oh, the eye is lit.

No, not, Stefan, no.

I mean, I don't see this kind of personality, in short, I don't see TVN this kind of personality, which would make a difference on YouTube. And how would you define it? Because I can't do it, that's why I don't push myself to YouTube. TVN is a very efficient medium,

which, however, is a bit transparent. There is no bit transparent. There is no personality. I was surprised once last year by Piotr Kraśko. I don't remember what topic. Suddenly he made a statement. And it suddenly turned out that he, as a creator of the commentary,

maybe he could do it, which he had never revealed before. But it was just one flash. I think that there are no characters in TVN that would attract viewers to watch longer than one or two episodes. And there is no Taker Carlson?

Or Joe Rogan?

I like such comparisons, that Polish Messi, Polish Ronaldo, or how would you compare yourself to? Who are you with? With Carlson, with Rogan? Are there any similarities for the Zero channel?

With Cejrowski?

No, I'm saying, you know what I mean. Maybe, maybe...

Kuba, do you really have such a bad opinion of me or am I pretending?

I want to go through.

Honestly?

Go through.

I really like the term, a barbarian in the elite category. Okay. I have, when I was watching your media duel with Basia Kurta and Shatan, my friend from the theatre back then, I had a suspicion that you didn't mean to make her, maybe even a sentimental, stupid, hysterical entry, to raise a controversy, but to cancel it. And then I had the impression that you also have a personal phobia. You can now take a look at this.

Piotrek, instead of...

Yes, calm down, I'm getting drunk.

Because I told you, I said it in the discussion. But OK, you know what? Because you asked a very important question. And I'll tell you honestly, you know I don't mess around. I said, Basia, it hurt her more. You know what I respect Stanowski for? that he's building his own media and giving it an insignia of his personality.

And I respect you for that. Regardless of the fact that this media... But Basia didn't do it hysterically either. But wait, there's a sensible journalist sitting here, and there's an exalted young actress. But he wasn't supposed to react to that? No, but the question is... Iens, which should result in any consequences.

I think that... You... Sorry, you threw her out of a very large number of TV shows. She threw herself out.

Weren't you full of it?

She threw herself out. But what do you mean, full of it? I recorded something then, said it and that's it. I threw her out. But what do you mean, saturated? I recorded something and said it and that's it. Don't say that. Don't analyze the evil you do.

No.

Because it was evil, Krzysiek. Evil? Do you know what evil is?

Jesus Maria. Another Wojtek Bramkaś.

Who is doing evil now? In my opinion, evil is now being done when it turns out that the Minister of Justice, in every case where on the other side there is an activist, an actor, a celebrity who insulted the Polish military, that the Minister of Justice reacts and withdraws the appeal so that only this person's hair does not fall off his head. I think it is evil when people who have no competence to review the work of soldiers, policemen, border guards.

They are spying on...

And I think...

Wait, stop! They are spying on the uniformed services, spying on those guys who are standing there in the cold, not in the cold, in the heat, at the border, performing orders... But it's not you who addresses these media, but one fragile actress.

This fragile actress has behind her a gigantic social media and her posts are being carried, her posts are building a narrative in Poland. Her posts are also being inserted into some kind of narrative. And then it turns out that in Wroclaw there is an artistic space where pictures are shown under the title Sorry, Mother, Take Off Your Uniform Then it turns out Then it turns out that Polish officers, army, police, uniformed forces have to explain to their friends

whether they are murderers or not whether they are throwing women over the fence pregnant or not Do you really think that the border is white-black? I think it would be good if hysterical actresses didn't feel for Polish soldiers, because it's not good.

You asked me before, 10 minutes ago, we were talking about what is Russia's and Putin's job. What is Russia's? What does Putin serve? What does Russia serve Putin? So that a Polish soldier would be ashamed of being a Polish soldier. And you think... And through such, through such, just, inserts, in your opinion, oh, she wrote and it's hard. She wrote and what?

And what, she needs the final humiliation? No, but what happened next? Gigantic, wait, what happened next? Wait, I can tell you something. The gigantic machine that is Channel Zero are the government of the crowd, and you are properly feeling the blood. And you made a real lynching out of this case.

And I think that...

No, because this case is important. It is important that actors, singers stop, I'm sorry, to talk about how bad Polish soldiers are, how they do terrible things on the border. But don't generalize, wait, don't generalize, because you fall into demagogy. We are not generalizing, only the Minister of Justice withdrew the appeal in the case of Piotr Zelt.

I am not a sexist, I don't care if it's a woman or a man. Piotr Zelt attacked in a similar way, Anna Michalska, I think, the spokeswoman of the Border Guard. And instead of answering for it, the Minister of Justice said, OK, leave him alone. Dealing with this whole celebrity, actor, influencer witness by politicians is disgusting. It's like building a backstage for the elections, so that later on, people will be jealous of the same people as before. Kuba, let's find some priorities. Who is important to us? Actress or soldiers? I have the impression that your controversy with Basia Kurdej-Szatan didn not supposed to undermine her opinion, it was supposed to undermine her presence in the media.

No, it was supposed to show everyone, actors, singers, celebrities, that you should think twice about the stupidity you are talking about. About the people who went to that border and what do you think, that those people, those soldiers want to stay there?

That guy who was arrested wanted to be arrested? Mateusz Sinek wanted to be arrested?

I'm talking about your reaction. Let's give a shout out to Polish soldiers, who are watching over us from this border. And we won't be supporting now actors...

Jesus, you're getting into such demagoguery, because it's disgusting.

No, because you're situation on the border to their own interests and now, a few years later, the situation hasn't changed at all, but it is no longer a card for political games.

I think so.

I think, Krzysztof, we have reassured them that your strength... You still have emotions, if you want, you can be calm.

I think that your strength and your reach must, like mine or Piotr's, combine with great responsibility for the word. And I have the impression...

And let's go around in the belief that you think differently, I think differently. Okay, I accept. In my opinion, I'm a boxer who can't hit anyone because he has a heavy hand and can hit a lot.

No, you're just waiting for someone to be counted and you're just waiting for him to sell another blow. I have such an imagination. Okay. In conclusion, I have a lot of sympathy for you.

Thank you. Me too. Do you have any, or maybe it would be useful, such a story, and in every medium, such a fact-checking institution,

which verifies certain things before they appear on the air? We probably try to verify everything. Does it always work for us? No, sometimes it doesn't. All the editorial offices in the world, sometimes it doesn't fail to verify something.

In what direction are the media going? Because I think you have a nose, so you can tell us about these trends. Are the content we present, longer content, which had such a peak, is it a kind of overpowering and these forms will be shorter and shorter? I think it depends on when you want to be a recipient of the media and when you use them.

Because there is a huge hype for extremely short forms and it will certainly not disappear because sometimes we have 10 seconds, a minute, 5 minutes to look through something and we want to get bored. And unfortunately, the role of a bored person is today a role of a large part of the media today. But the meritocratic side has increased a lot in recent years.

People don't want just any conversation, they want deep conversations. They don't want just any knowledge, they want professional knowledge. Even if it's not professional, they want to feel that this professionalism exists somewhere.

What do the viewers want? It used to be easier. There were two channels on TV and in prime time, the TV theatre could be on. And everyone watched and had contact with high culture. What is the truth? How to do it?

I won't give you the media regulations. I don't know them. Do you do research about the Zero channel? No, I only follow my own instincts. If I do something, I do the media I would like to be a recipient of. I do research only on myself.

I have the impression, even after today's conversation, Krzysztof... Are we done? No! I want to hear who paid me the money, Kuba.

Hold on, let's keep it for the finale.

I don't have money. I don't pay for it.

Who is it? With what politician did you talk?

I wanted to open up a bit about money because I decided that if I go somewhere, I'll say something new, something I didn't say before. Well, open up about money and I'll tell you which politician you talked to about looking for money. Tell me. You talked to PiS about money. Well, say it. Because you keep saying you didn't talk. And what did you want to say? No, no, go ahead, because it will probably reflect on my speech. I have the impression that you are an open-minded supporter of a little bit of political correctness and crossing the line,

but you don't want to give the right to cross the line to others.

No.

No?

I just remembered today, today. We can send it to you. I don't remember, I was at your place 5 or 6 years ago, in the sports channel. And you were saying, I didn't pick up this topic because we were talking about more important things. It was probably the premiere of Maja Kleczewska's Dziady in the Slovak Theatre. Very original, not not a revolutionary adaptation, where Konrad is a woman. You expressed a far-reaching outrage

that it is innovative, that it is not cool, that it is a picture of a burgeon. In my opinion, you have a hidden conservatist in you, Krzysztof. And even if you attack art, which is such an excretory, safe space of experiment with our imagination, which does no harm to anyone,

I am convinced that you are a hidden conservatist. It sounded like it was supposed to be some kind of an obelisk. No, it's not an obelisk. This is my order of the world for today's conversation. I respect some symbols, cultural symbols, icons. There is a book about it, that probably Zosia was gay.

There are such theories.

Yes, yes.

Tomek Wolny started reading this book today at the meeting, he told us about it. But is it important?

It's not important.

But is it heresy? It's not important. But is writing books based on the fact that one lady seems to be able to be? Does it make any sense? Such things irritate me. Is heresy not a form of freedom of thought?

Even heresy that goes too far.

Let people be.

But I let people be. But this book was published. Let me be dissatisfied. I didn't go to this theatre and didn't throw an egg at them. I just said that I didn't like it. Okay, and yesterday or the day before yesterday

your commentary on Lewandowski, about Stornain, about the story with Mazur... with Mazurs... And I wonder, because there was a loud case of Mr. Felus from Fakt, there was a story with a Super Express cover, when Milewicz's photos were on the cover. Aren't you afraid that you will be put under a wall at some point?

That someone will do something that you have no influence on, on your channel, and the whole blame will fall on you? But I work with it all the time. You know, I work with 100 people. Probably now with 150, when we add up the portals. I don't even know them, to be honest. And if we consider that out of these 100-150 people, 50 are people who can potentially generate a visual crisis, then if such a person potentially generates one crisis annually, then you have one weekly crisis with 50 people.

And by force of nature, the majority will fall on you. And where do you get the strength to take attacks every two days, every moment? I don't know, I guess it's just commonplace. Or maybe it's all going to be over. Or maybe I think I'm taking the strength, and at the age of 47 I'll die of a heart attack. And it turned out that he was so strong, but look, he couldn't stand it. Good boy, he said good morning.

So I don't know if I have strength. I know that I can handle it day by day. But does it reflect in me? I have no idea. Day by day he can handle it. Oh, Krzysiek, I beg you, don. I like to fuck around too. That's why our fuck arounds are interesting. I'm glad.

I'm glad.

I'm glad. I'm glad. I like fucking. Well, I like fucking too, that's why our fucking are interesting.

I'm glad.

Is it possible in your opinion today that the media is free from propaganda, fake news? Who paid me? Say it finally. Who paid him? In your opinion? We have one more minute. This is only a suspensory. You really don't remember conversations at the birthday of one of our colleagues

that you were talking to a politician about the need... Robert Mazurka, ok. You don't remember the conversation with the politician of PiS who was there? I'd rather you say it than to get out of me.

About a private conversation. You mean those famous birthday of Mazurka? Yes, yes. And you were talking to a politician in PiS about the fact that you need money. And it's going on, right? This interview. We won't cut it out.

He looked at Kuba.

Kuba, I wasn't at those birthday parties. But you weren't talking about money. Kuba, I wasn't at Mazurka's birthday party. I wasn't in Poland at that time. And who lied? I wanted to be there, I was invited, but I wasn't at those parties.

But you weren't with that politician at that trip?

I wasn't at any trip with any politician.

And where were you then? Abroad or in Poland? I think abroad, I called Robert Mazurka. No! Okay, so in your opinion, I'll announce the name in a moment. Wait.

In your opinion, maybe...

Wait. You said a moment ago that I talked to a politician on Robert Mazurka's birthday. Well, remember, because you did various things after alcohol.

I understand.

You know about it. Let's call.

I don't remember. And you were at that birthday?

No, on his birthday. He invited me, it was the weirdest invitation I've ever received. Wait, wait, hi Robert, listen, we're live, I mean live, it will be broadcast live at Kuba Wojewiecki and Piotr Kędzierski. And I was accused that at your famous birthdays, which you were so loud about all over Poland. I've been talking to some politician about money for my media.

Good, good. Of course you've been talking about it. So it's true. Because you weren't there, unfortunately. But apart from that, everything is true.

So wait, we can have two accusations. That he's making money and doesn't respect his friends, right? We can have such accusations.

I would prefer the latter, you know.

So you didn't respect your cool friend Robert Mazurek? Thank you very much, Robert. I wasn't at those birthdays. Do you understand? So you want to say that a very famous... You accused me of being a dickhead.

Tell this person... I mean, don't trust this person anymore. Just because he's making you a horse. And you're asking a question, probably thinking, that, oh, I have a bomb.

No.

Someone planted a pig for you.

No.

I didn't have any name. I just wanted to check your reaction. I was curious if I put you in in front of the camera, that we know some names, I was curious. Suspense. A word of honor. I don't talk to politicians of PiS,

because I despise all of them. I convinced you in that case. Is it possible to have a free media from propaganda, fake news, lies, populism and manipulation? Yes. And you want to say that such a medium is channel zero? I would like it to be so. Exactly, because it is not, right?

We can for now... You have mentioned a lot of words in turn, so we probably do not fulfill any of them for some reason. You manipulate, you are populists. Read all the words you have mentioned. Free from propaganda, fake news, lies, populism and manipulation. We definitely have populism.

Definitely, fake news. That's why I said we are not perfect.

Ok. Good.

You know what? You know what I wanted to say about money?

What?

Because here in this studio, talking to another politician, I think it was Miriam Mensen, you asked me about money my media gets, you suggested to the viewers that I am underpaid by political parties. And to be honest, I didn't like it very much.

You probably referred to it.

Or maybe not?

I'm sorry, I'm not listening. I wouldn't have noticed.

I think not. I referred to your conversation once. But it's my right to ask. I think I referred to your conversation with Wojciech Szczęsny when you told him that the Orlen logo on the shirt of the Polish representation is a shame and should not be... It is not a shame. It was in the form of a question. Do not manipulate, Krzysztof. Your questions are so aggressive that... Have you been attacked today?

Yes!

Are we just finishing? A mean Krzysztof! were attacked today? Yes! Are we done yet?

You nasty Christ!

Are we done yet?

Yes.

No, I want to say something. Please. No, I can't talk about the money.

No, you can't.

I wanted to tell you.

Is it enough to get to the first one?

Listen, because I remember there was a funny situation. With Benzel. You jumped out with this attack on me, then there was this... Jesus, why do you call every kind of cowardice an attack? Stop hysterizing! Have mercy on me! Why when they write about me, I say, someone has a different opinion. Let them!

Piotr, are you good at running programs sitting next to such a sexist, a completely non-objective person, a person who pretends to be someone who is not

and I can ask such a question and then you'll say, that was just a question.

My dear, my dear.

That was just a question. It's good that I can get to what I wanted to say. Last sentence, Krzysztof. Not the last sentence, listen. Then there was the question of Orlen. It turned out funny, because a week later or a month later, right after, you had your own advertising of Skarbu Państwa here, a sports totalizer.

Very possible. Shudder fell on you, because on the one hand you condemned when Skarbu Państwa companies advertised somewhere, when it turned out that they advertised at your place, then willingly... We are like some of those elastic employees. I understand. When you speak, there is much less of, but when money appears, there is more of it. I have read so many nonsense about me and the money I allegedly took from the companies of the National Treasury,

which I have never straightened out. I read about 6 million, then 8, then 10 million, from just one company. As you are media people and you know the stakes, you know the scale, I will tell you how many portals were received from Orlen, where there are some... But wait, you were talking about the old ones, because Salonery Porter is a scam. No, no, no, no. We had a signed contract for 45,000 grosses per month. To do this, we had a list of testimonies.

We were audited to see if every testimony was burned out, if every banner was burned out. Jesus, you're really going to explain yourself with a prehistoric story. We had to set up a portal specifically for Olympic Games, for athletes who were sponsored by Orlen. We had to make two people work for it. All for such money. So on a year scale, it's less than half a million. It took four or five years. With a little more respect, it's a very big money, half a million.

On a year scale? Yes, it's a very big money, half a million. On a yearly scale? Yes, it's a big money.

I'm very happy when someone makes such accusations to me. I just read recently that the Critic... But who made these accusations to you? The Literary Critic recently got half a million grant to exist. Not that he has testimonies to show. that you are introducing the fourth player to our team. It's like a literary criticism. But I will introduce more.

Can we finish?

No, we can't. I will introduce you more. No media has ever taken a penny from any ministry. And now I read this. Recently. Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Promotion of the Polish Presidency, 1.5 million for TVN. And what?

0.5 million for TVN.

I'm a TVN spokesman.

No, but the media in Poland take the Ministry of Finance, 1.2 million for TVN, one action, Ministry of Agriculture, 2.5 million for TVN. I have a proposition for you. Do a thorough material about it, and don't throw yourself at the heads. Make a report on this, I'll gladly watch it. You can listen to it now.

No, but we have to finish this, this is not your hearing, it's ours. Mr. Krzysztof, the last question from me. I'm sorry, I wanted to reveal some truth.

The last question from me. Very carefully. In this hearing, we use the term truth. On the airport in the US, you are always asked what is your profession? Journalist. Yes, but all the time?

I know it's a bit too narrow.

A bit too narrow. And in your head, who are you? Please.

I am the owner of the media, an entrepreneur.

Thank you, Mr. Entrepreneur. The avenged entrepreneur Krzysztof Stonowski was our guest.

He was a man we will never work with.

Never.

But why?

Why?

I'm a Symmetry player. I'm a friend. Thank you.

Thank you very much.

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