LA CHARLA DEL AÑO: MESSI EN LUZU COMO NUNCA LO VISTE

The sign I make to my family and Paco is done. I respect, work and friendship from home. I like to make people feel good and happy. We met when I was six. Without knowing, without understanding anything, we liked each other when we were little.

You are an example, an inspiration for me and for everyone who helped you.

I left Juve, I went to Barcelona, the family separated, life started to be different. I was going to Barcelona, it was spectacular, we won everything, I enjoyed it, I was happy, it was my place. I was going to Argentina and it was the opposite. It was like a weird bug. They fucked me, my mom, they didn't give me the results. And what I suffered the most was my family,

which was what was left in Argentina, what was eaten by all the shows, the critics. I thought at one point that I was no longer going to MAD and I said that the national team is over for me. What I felt a lot was that there was a generation of kids that I missed a lot.

Don't go, you don't have to go. Don't go, if you go, we're going to be without a final. We won't be able to get back.

Never giving up and keep trying, in whatever, because in the end that's what life is about. Hit yourself, get up and try again. And thank God, what's left for me? Everything that comes, is from above.

Watch out for the pipe.

No, no, no.

That's a mistake.

That's a mistake.

Well, shit, we're not going to do anything. Too early, the gypsies. What was this for? To throw me the pipe? That's an irrespective… Well, it's the same shit. You threw it too early.

What was this? Just to throw the ball at me?

I wanted to do that.

How long have you had it?

Not so long, because I'll throw another one. But look, there's something, Leo.

Have you played?

I've played.

Do you see anything in him?

No, I don't know, but in Buenos Aires he always plays.

Uy.

Uy, uy.

No.

Look at him, like your kid the other day. I don't understand Leo better than him.

I warn you.

He throws you a lot, that one, look at Leo, look, look.

Yes, all the time. All the time all day. The truth is that the club comes a lot to train, but if not, yes, they are a lot with the ball. And he is one of the three who likes the most.

Mateo, the figures, the little things. And you cut the ball in the day, going out here to train at your house, like, cut a ball under the foot.

And at home many do not let us.

How do you not let us?

Inside the house. No, in Antonella? Yes.

But...

But no, no, no. How come they don't let him play?

He plays a lot of football.

No, but you can't say, stop with the ball. He's the one who paid for all this.

No, but actually, they leave school and we come to the club. They train Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday. And we play. They leave school at 3.30 or 4.00 and we come here for lunch. There's not much time, but when we have the ball, it's like that. Tennis, a lot of tennis. Mateo too.

Not so much padel. You're into football in padel, aren't you?

Yes, but I don't play in the year. This year we played, the other day I was watching, like 60 games, we played three days.

The one you miss is a padel game.

There is no time, we play every three days. As if you were in Europe.

Yes, the same amount, this year yes.

We played all the competitions, and we played until the end. On one hand, it was great, but on the other, it was a long year. We couldn't stop, we didn't have a break. It was a long year. But yes, Mateo likes tennis, he plays tennis.

What else does Anto tell you at home,

to not give up on the kids with this.

No, that's it. Kicking inside the house, or setting up a game anywhere.

Besides, tell me what you did in this house, the one I did with my brother, putting two chairs and the artist running under the chairs.

No, but there we do a crazy guy in the middle. Or one against one.

It's a big living, but you can't play football anyway. No, no. A little crazy in the living.

A little crazy in the living.

But something has to criticize you, something has to reproach you, Antonio. All couples always reproach each other, criticize each other. What does it tell you?

No, I don't know.

The order?

No, the order, no. The order, that's why I was always obsessed with order. Really? I changed it for her. You're more organized than her? Not now. Now we're at the same level. But at the beginning, she was a mess. And I was always very...

But how much for order? Like, the clothes by color?

Everything.

Really? Yes. I left the clothes for her to train.

The day before?

Of course. I had to leave my clothes to go to training. The day before? Yes.

I had to take care of my football stuff. I don't like to touch things. I have to know where everything is.

You have to keep it posted.

Yes.

It's true that there was a video that went viral of you folding t-shirts. You were signing with the t-shirts. You folded them very well. There was a technique.

Yes, I did that doing it since I was a kid. And Thiago is the same as me. And Mateo. And Ciro too. But actually Ciro is the one who's been closest to me. Are you romantic?

Yes, I'm not very demonstrative, but I have my side.

What do you do?

I'm very detail-oriented. We don't go in the morning, we go in the afternoon or in the afternoon when we leave school. And leave a little gift.

A note?

Well, a little note is more difficult for me.

But a chocolate or a flower? Yes, no. A note is too much for me.

But a chocolate, a flower?

Yes, a gift.

A grand gift.

And in this you say that you are not demonstrative, that you feel a lot but express little?

Yes, yes. It's hard for me to show it, to express it. But yes, the truth is that for the people I love and I really love, I like it more... I like that they are always well, to do it...

With facts, you show it with facts. Yes, yes. And she with you too?. With facts. You show it with facts. And she's like that with you too? You're both very much in sync?

She's actually much more than me. And we always talk, we have arguments, and she stopped being the much because I didn't like it. It was much colder.

Ah, you liked it but you didn't show that you liked it. And she said, she didn't give you anything.

Yes, until I told her, we're not the same anymore. Wow, wow, wow.

So she came up with it.

But yes, it's true. But I like to feel good and be happy with the people I love.

How nice. What do you like? You've already said how difficult it is to give Leo presents, that no one gives you anything. But what do you say, I go crazy with this, please? It can be a nonsense like a meal or something on TV or whatever. Don't bother me when I'm with this because this is mine.

Do you have something like that that you love? Besides football, besides what we already know?

No, the truth is that I am... I have my part that I am weirder than shit too.

I don't know where I was going.

I like... Weirder than shit, well... I really like being alone, I enjoy being alone. Out there, in the corner of the house, with the three kids, running around. It ends up saturating me, and I like my moments of solitude. In those moments of solitude you're alone, you don't listen to music, you're in your own world.

I watch TV, or I'm lying down, I watch a game. But more than anything, it's that.

It's nothing special, really. But what other things do you feel are weird? Because it's great, the Frenchman is weird.

What other things do you feel are weird?

I think Antonio can say a lot more than me, but... But well, it depends on my mood. A lot of things, for of small things, small details. If you run out of space, you can put on the orto. Or they change what I had to do. I'm very structured. If I have the day organized in a way and something happens in the middle that is not organized, then it's over.

And how do you express being in the orto? Orto face?

Yes, I go, I leave. I leave and... You disconnect. I don't communicate, I assimilate it inside. Do you do therapy? No, I didn't. I did it at one time.

You did it at the beginning, not in Barcelona. I did it in Barcelona. And then I didn't do anything. The truth is that I'm a lot of eating things myself, keeping everything inside, eating the problems alone. I changed a lot, but still.

And a little bit of the essence. And with the person, I identify with what you say, I am similar to myself, with the person who you open up the most is with Anto, is with your partner, or is it another. The person you open up to the most is Anto, your partner, or is it someone else?

Yes, obviously in our daily life, we are together all the time. But in sports, with my dad, I talk a lot with my dad. Throughout my sporting career, the one who was by my side in that sense, was my dad. I would finish and I would write to him after a game, or we would watch a game and talk. In the sports world, I share a lot more with my dad, but in my day-to-day life, I share more with them.

It's hard to think about, because in the sports world, it's so particular to be you and everything that happens to you. I mean, I have a job and I talk to Diego. Sure, and I'm like... More or less, you know?

You can be more or less the same year.

No, well, but in sports I always said that I was the number one critic with myself. I know when I did things right, when I did things wrong. He played well, but then he broke tendon broke. I was never a professional. My tendon broke, I didn't heal well, and I was in a bad shape. I didn't play anymore.

But no, beyond playing, it was a matter of growing up like that too.

Very cool, really. How was it? The story has been told a lot of times, there's a lot about that, but I don't know if we hear it so much from you. How was all that childhood when you were at Newell's, when the issue of the treatment came up,

that finally Barcelona is the one in charge. How was that journey for you, for you, for your father? Well, actually I started the treatment at Newell's and it was a very expensive treatment. And my father, the company where I paid, took care of a part of it, but it didn't get there. How old were you, Saideo? I was 11 when I started. Do you remember how they told you that you had to go through a treatment?

Because for an 11-year-old, that's also hard.

Yes, I remember that I went I did some tests, some analysis. I did some analysis and they sent me to run. I ran a block down the street. I came back and they did another analysis. They discovered me in that. I went to the doctor for Newell, Diego Swaster,

who had treated New who treated Manso. They sent me there and I started the treatment with him. They gave me a costly treatment, so Newell said he would take care of it. And my father's part of the company was also going to help. We came from the south, we had to go to Malvinas, the other end of Rosario. They made my mother go to get money every day.

When they told her they were going to give her the money, it was a big deal at the time. They gave her 5 pesos, 10 pesos.

She walked. Sometimes I went and told her, I don't know, it was a big time. They gave you 5 pesos, 10 pesos. No, they walked you.

Sometimes I went and told them, no, the guy who has to give you is not here. That's why my mom's hot temper, in quotes, with Newell, who in the end is not Newell and has nothing to do with it. The person is... The person who was right at that moment, I'm not going to say the name, but it had nothing to do with the club or the person. The name was at that time.

But do you remember the name?

Yes. And all of Newell remembers it.

Yes, but it's like telling my mother's story. With my mother, New the people from Ñuvel were getting mad. And my mom's anger was mostly because, in quotes, that's why everything that happened after that happened. I left Ñuvel, I went to Barcelona, the family separated, life started to be different because my sister was little.

And at that moment, how... I mean, Niels starts having that dilemma that your mother was being walked, and Barcelona appears and says,

in the middle of River... I went to River, I did a test in River. I went to River on my own. I did a test there, I don't know, I was training, and in 10 days I came back.

And... River told me to stay, take care of the treatment. I had to stay in the pension. He said that we couldn't do anything for the pass. I had to go get the pass from Newell and come back with the pass to stay. When I went to ask for the pass to Newell, they didn't give it to me and it was very difficult.

Everything was cut off. And then the Barcelona guys showed up, who were not on anyone's plans. No team ever paid for a pass from you.

No, but it's also difficult.

I was 11 or 12 years old.

But you were going to Barcelona, not to Paris.

No, no.

It's very rare, the best player in history. No one has ever bought the ticket. It's crazy.

Yes, I arrived in Barcelona when I was little.

Don't be scared, he wants to buy you the ticket.

How much does it cost?

How much does it cost?

How much does it cost?

And nothing. Crazy. You're ready? And... I was still in Barcelona and the truth is that... I left because things were like that, but I didn't want to leave, so I didn't need to come and pay. And now, in the end, here.

When was the last time you went somewhere and they didn't recognize you? And now, in the end, here.

When was the last time you went somewhere and you weren't recognized?

That's a long time ago. Do you remember?

No, not really.

But the truth is that here I live much more relaxed. In this part of Miami where we live, is also much more American, where people live in a different way, or it doesn't give it so much importance.

At first, you were seen in images in the supermarket, right? You were there with the little guy and Ojota.

Yes, it was the first few days.

But does that amuse you?

Yes, it amuses me.

You took advantage of it and said, hey...

In fact, in Barcelona it in Barcelona too. I went out to Barcelona. But in Barcelona you can't even walk a meter. No, people were used to it. I was born in Barcelona. I lived there all my life.

I always went to the same places. People saw me all the time. I moved around the same places since I was a kid. It was a lot of fun. I was constantly drinking. I was always around the same age as the boys. So it was normal.

I went out to Barcelona and lived a normal life. We also do a lot of routine life here. A lot of life at home. We depend a lot on the boys too. We are behind them, with their schedules. They leave school, as I told you before, we come to the training.

It's incredible. We get home from training at 8, they take a shower, eat and go to the play. And we also go to the training.

There is a lot of room for them.

Of course, on the weekend we have a game. There is no way we can…

Yes, yes, yes. It comes out so much. But when it comes out, I guess it's like, I don't know, when you go to Argentina and you go to see Nico Vaz, which is the theater. It's a decision. Of course. Today I go, I'm a mess, an organization.

Yes, more than anything, in this case, Nico, for us, the organization of the theater, of the people, how we enter, how we get in, how we get out. I don't have a problem in that sense. I go and...

It's your normality. Sure.

But it's not anyone's normality.

People go and say,

you're going to the theater.

I go, no, no, of course. And it's also special because I live it with my family, I haven't been in Buenos Aires for a long time, at that time with my family, I love going to Rosario, I love going to the party, being there, but I don't really go out of my house. I go to my mom's house, my brother's house, but from house to house. I love it because I'm with my family, my friends, my people.

For me, the most beautiful thing is that there is, and more in December.

Sacred, even with Pep when it was complicated, December was sacred.

Yes, and people also have a different energy, a different vibe. December seems to be all nice.

Of course, of course. We are a lot of families.

Yes, summer, heat, I don't know. And I like it, I enjoy it a lot, but for me that's the beautiful thing, my my day to day, normal, I don't know, what I like. What do you watch when you're with Anto? What do you consume? Entertainment? No, now a lot of series, we're watching a lot of... Some that you recommend, but not all.

No, no, no. You like it, you like it.

You have a pass for that, right? You recommend a series and a whole mess is kilometer around it. You were jealous, right? Yes, I was.

We just finished the second season.

Were they Argentinian series? Yes, we watched all of them. But yes, I was jealous.

Do you watch streaming?

Sometimes, but it's more difficult. I watch the clips, the summary. The clips. I don't really like all those words. The clips. But yes, I watch All those words, I don't really... The clips. But yeah, I watch a lot of what I'm watching.

The other... Now it seems like I don't, but two hours less is a lot.

It changes, of course.

Your schedule changes a lot.

My show is so tight that it doesn't hook up.

Yours is very calm.

Mine is 6am here in Miami. We can change the schedule. So that he can see it. Yes, yes, only for Daniel Leo's schedule.

No, but it's true that it seems not, but it changes you a lot. And more when we have a very determined routine.

We already know that we can't touch the routine.

No, no, no, don't touch the routine.

TikTok, do you hang out on TikTok? Yes.

Oh yeah? Yes, a lot.

And what weird things do you find on TikTok?

Everything. I go anywhere. I'm a straight guy. Yes, I like it. I spend a lot of time on it.

Do you think it's in fashion with IA? Yes, I do everything.

The one who plays the timbre. What's wrong with you?

Do you have the hand, the one with the bell? I just got one that was telling me... That you were freezing in the street? No, the police caught me.

Oh, the police caught you, one that got you without water in the mate.

It's very realistic. With the ice, the ice in the door. Don't you get a little scared? Yes, but now there's everything.

Now there's everything. There it is, let to show you. Can you lend me some hot water?

I'm getting cold and I can't start without mate.

I can't believe it.

I like it. I spend time. When I'm down, I watch a lot.

You're very aware of what's happening in Argentina. Since always.

I've always had my family. My mother stayed in Argentina, my brother too, my sister is here now, but she lived in Argentina too, my family, my family from Antonella, my family from Antonella is in Rosario.

I don't know if you talked a lot about how the process with Anto was, who was in charge, who... You already knew each other as kids, I don't know if you talked a lot about how the process with Anto went. Who faced who?

You already knew each other as kids, but when did you start dating?

We've known each other since we were 6. Well, I've told you a lot of times, her cousin, my friend. And nothing, since we were kids we always had, you know... You liked each other. At one point we had been friends, you know. Oh, like right-wing friends?

But we were very young, we didn't have any rights yet.

Oh, right-wing friends.

We used to say we were two. Imagine, I was 9 or 10 years old. And when I left, communication was different, it was much more difficult.

There was nothing yet?

Nothing. I just started a few months ago. MSN.

MSN.

I'm going crazy. I'm going crazy. Zumbido. Send Zumbido. I'm going crazy.

Yes, send Zumbido.

Confirmed.

He connected you and disconnected you to see if he spoke to you.

Yes, well, at that time it started a little later, but otherwise it was letter, email, it was much more difficult to communicate.

Did you ever send letters with Anto?

No, not letters, email and Messenger.

And through Messenger, the bond grew a little?

Yes, and there again we got back to... well, I never really lost the bond with my friend, but I already saw her much, I didn't talk to her. But I knew everything, because she's like a sister to Luca, my friend. So I knew everything. And then, well, at that time, with COVID-16, you know, 17, we started to move you in a different way.

Which was my girlfriend?

No, no, no.

I don't understand. Hi, my friend.

No, at that time we had already sent more, we had already sent more emails. Calling was very difficult because it was very expensive. Sure. It was a little while and fast. Bye.

And then, I think it was around the 20,000th.

A lot of time passed. Yes, a lot of time passed.

And what did you do there? Did the talk start to grow?

Did you say, come to Barcelona?

No, no, no. There in Rosario. We went to see each other. We started to see each other, to cross paths more. I started to greet a lot more...

Your cousin?

With me.

How strange, I'm reading all the books. You were already 20 and she was already very famous, you were already 20 or not.

Yes, yes.

Of course, it was already a time of yours, she talked a lot about you.

I was 20, I played with her U-20s when I was 18.

In the U-20s?

And then in the U-20s, in Argentina, it was like a leap. And then in the U-20s, it had been a couple of years.

Do you remember when the first kiss was? Or the question?

No, the first kiss was before. Before, something had already happened and then...

But once you came back to Rosario, you came back for everything. You said, that's it, I have to go for everything. And famous in Cara Messi. Literally.

No, what happens is that I also knew that at the moment I fell there, it was already there. So I couldn't love anyone else. I had to do things right.

I knew that if you went in, it was for...

You said, this is the woman of my life.

Of course. So, well, it was a given when she had to go.

But did you ask her, do you want to be my girlfriend? Do you want to go out with me?

No, I don't think so.

It was a given. It was all clear. I don't remember, I left Rosario that night. I don't remember, maybe I do, but we already had a lot more.

What you're doing is spectacular. It's the story of everything, but of Messi. I knew that when you were there, you were the woman of your life,

and that once you got in there, you were ready.

Sure, so it was the moment it had to be, and well, she too, and it happened.

Spectacular.

But yes, we already came from a young age with that game, because without knowing, without understanding anything, we already liked each other since we were little. Everyone laughed because we were in the family community and we were very young and we looked at each other with shame.

But it's crazy that it was generated this way, because being part of a life like yours is not easy for the family either. You always say that they are the ones who are there, but they are also the ones who suffer the most. If you have to move from Spain to Paris, it is also to talk to her and that she is there, or come here.

Yes, this in quotation marks, in the end, the next steps were the easiest, when I already had the family built. The difficult thing was at the beginning, The easiest was when she had the family built. The hardest was when she decided to come to Barcelona with me. She was young, she was studying, she had her own things. The family, the parents, her environment.

It was crazy for her to come to Barcelona with me. I think that was the hardest. After all that comes with family, with children, they are already family decisions that are difficult, but...

The dynamic already exists.

Yes, everything goes together.

When you see all your stories with Adan, all the football, the family, I think of your mother staying in Argentina and you traveling, which must have been very hard for her. Also, knowing Celia a little bit, how affectionate she is, how demonstrative she is. What is the most exciting thing about your story? If you can think of what you admire the most about your story or what moves you.

Well, especially the family bond. Because we all go to Barcelona, and a few months later he became my brother. Matias, who was always living in Rosario, because he was 18 or 19 years old, and he was in his period of dating, with the kids from the neighborhood, he never left the neighborhood,

with his friends, and he came to Barcelona and felt a bit lost, he didn't know what to do, and he felt lost. I didn't know what to do. And it all turned around. My sister, after the school thing, never got involved. And my mother, I think more because of my brother than because of my sister,

decided to go back to Rosario. But the excuse was that my sister didn't fit in, but I think...

It was because of the baby.

It was because of the baby, yes. That she was always... very aware of him, you know? He was a character, so my mom was always behind him. And I think my mom was very attracted to him because she felt that she needed him, that she had to be with him. And that made the family break up, that we never stopped loving each other as brothers, as parents, as family, as a union.

We were always together, more than ever, and that was the main reason.

But we were lucky to live many joys together. Many times you are used as an example when a person is criticized. You say, well, even Messi was criticized. As an example, if they criticized the best in history, what do you have left? How did you go through that moment? Did you have it clear? Did you get angry? Did you get frustrated?

No, obviously it hurt me. I was having a bad time because... I was going to Barcelona... I was going to Barcelona... I was going to Barcelona... I was going to Barcelona... I was going a weirdo. My mom would yell at me, she wouldn't give me the results.

But the other day, I don't remember who was talking about it, we played every three days, so I would go to the national team, and the next two days I had to think about the next game, and I would go back to the Barcelona routine, and that would lead me to think that I was fine again, and that I had to keep going.

And what I suffered the most was my family, who were the ones who stayed in Argentina, who ate all the shows, the reviews. And I didn't know a lot of things because I didn't see. But they were aware of everything, they were watching everything. And they suffered a lot.

Obviously, it hurt me, but the fact of the day made me not think about it, but to follow what was coming and think about the next thing. And if...

You won't like it if I say you have to give some advice, because I know you and I know you don't want to be in that position, but if something is not working out for someone, whatever it is, what should they do? Where do they start? Well, yes, give them some advice.

I didn't mean to... But, you know...

What do you tell that person?

It's your experience.

I always say that I don't like to give advice. Because I think everyone has to live their own experience and life. But it's true that you should never give up what you feel and what you want. I thought for a moment that I was never going to play again. I said I wouldn't come back to the national team. I regretted it a lot because I watched the games and I wanted to die.

Did you regret making that decision?

Yes, when I watched the games on TV, he was already telling me something. And who was there? Was it after the final with Chile, here, not in the United States? In the United States, yes.

And there you watched the games and what did you tell him?

Nothing, nothing, he didn't talk. Always quiet. But as I always say, I'm glad I could go back. I didn't care about going back late, because a lot of people could say, he left and now he's coming back.

But that's also greatness, making a decision, saying, I said this now and now I feel this. I'll try again. That's also part of your story, of your character.

Yes, I think that's the best example. Never giving up and keep trying. In whatever, because that's what life is about. Hit yourself, get up and try again. And if you can't, you have to make sure you did everything possible to try to achieve your dreams

and not feel like you could have done something else.

We haven't talked about this, but we have talked about it at another time. About the Messi generation in Argentina.

Do you remember that we talked about this in a talk of ours a long time ago?

A talk of ours.

About philosophizing one night.

But it's good to tell you about it. What we talked about was that somehow somehow generated a new generation of kids who identify themselves with a more humble, more calm leadership, more of the companionship. You know, in general, Argentines are more, or used to be more, like the crazy or the big-headed. The Argentine who is doing well, as you are doing, you know? The hard worker, the one who talks a lot, and all of a sudden,

a generation of kids starts to build up, who believe in a calm, humble leadership, of companions, of looking to the side, of the family, of the first thing in the family.

That you go wrong and come back.

What I did feel a lot was that there was a generation of kids that I really missed. And that fought with everyone to defend me and to do anything to attack the one who was attacking me. Or to debate, whatever it was. But I think what you say is a generational issue. The active generation that grew up with Diego and saw him play and everything he did, idolizes him like everything else and we love him and no one can touch it. And it's fair for everything he gave us,

what he did for Argentina, not only at the football level, but worldwide. But I think that other generations are growing with other things and are seeing other things. I hadn't seen Diego so much out there.

And although for anyone, not just Argentines, Diego will always be Diego and there will never be anyone like him. He started to know something else and identified more with other people. And I think that's why he was also gaining a little strength from all that. But I think it's something normal too, as it happens.

But I feel like you brought us something new. I think we didn't have... All the guys, from... young guys in Argentina, want to be like Messi. When they look at Messi, they see a guy who is familiar, humble, calm, who doesn't get things out of his head, he insists, insists, insists, and he succeeds.

He's a hard worker, constant. You see that Argentines don't relate to humility. But since you've been here, I feel like you brought us something.

No, I don't want to get into that responsibility.

It's a big responsibility, obviously. You're right.

I always acted the way I felt I had to act. I never acted. I was always myself and with the values I learned, both at home with my father and in Barcelona, which educated me and made me grow as a player and as a person above all. And the values that I try to transmit to my children, to my closest people.

I grew up that way, but was closer to my children and people. I grew up that way, but from Argentina, from my home. I went to Europe as a child and I lived in Barcelona, which helped. That made me stronger, everything I had. But from my home, the respect, the work, the humility... My father worked all day, he went to work at dawn and didn't come back until the next day at night.

I practically didn't see him, and when he arrived, the first thing he did was to come and train me or accompany me to a game. And I saw all the sacrifice he made so that we never lack anything, that I never lack anything, thank God, thanks to him and all the effort. And well, one goes consuming and learning from all that.

But that you have maintained it with everything that happened to you in your life. It happened to us that you don't know how to write, for example, a few days ago. No, it's good to tell our example because we had talked about this note a thousand years ago. A year and a half since Rodri came to play the trick and did that one, which is still debatable. He screwed up a little bit. And he screwed up because today he had a rematch and he screwed up.

So he's ready for you, DePaul.

To make you cheer up.

The reality is that he said yes, but we came out champions.

Yes, obviously. I wish he had said yes, but we were champions. It was a couple of days that went by.

I'm going to tell you that Rubo... I'm going to tell you that too. So that people know that at that moment we talked about it and said, hey, one day we'll play a game of the four of us. I said, I'll do it, ready, at some point. A year and a half passed and you wrote to us both before I became champion. I said, if we win, we do it. One day out of nowhere, you send a message.

We can't understand that. I didn't name anyone, but we know each person who has four minutes in the middle. And we don't have the time.

They had just written to me.

On the same day, by chance. Once we both wrote by chance. I couldn't stand it. I wrote to Leo. He says, it was terrible. We were going to be like two idiots writing the same day, but it wasn't fixed. But for us, you may not see it, you tell it so naturally, this thing about values,

it's great to hear it, but it surprises me that you are so normal, so human, so like everyone else, being able to not be, because it it's a lesson for you to be like that too. Even if they have educated you like that. That you have the detail of writing, of saying, hey, what I told you, we can do it,

when can you do it? We feel very close. You make people feel good on your side.

Yes, I did this well, about a year ago, when we had gone to see Saliel and Rodrigo. The truth is that I don't like to expose myself too much and talk or get into trouble. I prefer to avoid all that. I don't like to be in search of the media

if it's not for what I do, which is football, and what I've always liked, and what I think I know how want to do and nothing else. But I had given it my word and... and it happened and thank God I was a champion.

Thank God. What's the most famous contact you have on WhatsApp?

Because you're the most famous one.

Of all the others.

The one who has your contact is the most famous.

But you.

I don't know, I really don't know. Or who do you talk to? Who do you send messages to? Well, I was going to say that. I have a lot, but I don't really know much about messaging. Not even with my friends, not with my wife, not with my family. I'm pretty hung up on sending messages or... feeding the relationship.

Yes, yes. Then it happens to me that I see you and time has passed and it's not that I don't love you, on the contrary. Of course, of course. It's not that you're my mom or my dad. But it's hard for me to text, to answer, to answer again, to have to write again. I don't like that very much.

So, that's why I'm far from texting in that sense. To put it in a good way, sometimes I get carried away.

Sure, sure.

But I don't know.

Who would you like to ask for a photo? Who would you like to ask for a photo? Who did you ask for a photo?

Well, something happened to me in the chat with Charlie.

Oh, Charlie, beautiful. Your last game in the Monumental.

I didn't know him and they told me he was there, if he could come down. And I said, how could I not come down? And when I saw him, it was... The truth is that I can't even explain what I felt at that moment when I saw him. So much... I don't know, he has a special energy, a magic, I don't know. It was like his presence there lit me up.

It was something... Something... Something very crazy.

To be honest, I don't know who could tell you that. But do you have a connection that we don't know about?

Like, I don't know, if I talk to you, you tell me a story...

Bad Bunny, Fleck, Tom Cruise...

Well, I've talked to Bad Bunny, I've talked to many people.

When he plays the song, does he let you know?

No.

Did you find out by listening to it?

Yes. In fact, I was with Bad Bunny, I was recording an ad together, a commercial.

For Paradida.

For Paradida, we were there together and I met him. Now, we just got back together and we sent a couple of messages. He's a phenomenon. He's a real phenomenon.

Thank you.

The other day I told you that I was watching Rosalía's show and what she does on TV. I thought it was impressive. I don't know her. But what she told me about you, I also went through with him.

And that's what happens with you, I want to tell you. That's what happens to you too.

I don't know, I don't want to talk about you because I'm going to forget some. I have a lot to talk about, but I don't like it either.

Returning to the subject of Bad Bunny.

I told you I'm weird.

Weirder than mine. Listen to me, the song of Don Vanni, you listen to it, a friend tells you, Hey, dude, he named you like Messi and Maradona, how do you get that? Besides, you're going to hear me on the party of the planet today, and in a great song.

I remember, I remember when it was the moment, but well, we also consume all that music, we like it. And nothing, it's good too, that I know, I appear in those songs appeared and that they have a name. But in that special we both came out, Messi, Antonella, I don't know. But I don't remember how it was. Maybe someone told me. My nephew, well, Tommy listens to a lot, or at that time he also listened to a lot of that type of music.

What do you listen to? That type of music? Cumbia? Do you like it?

Yes, a little bit. The truth is that now I also drive a lot with the kids.

Now you're with a tralalero tralala.

No, no, we've already passed that.

We've already passed that.

We've already passed that. The youngest has seven. But I choose a a lot. Now, for example, I'm all day with Luis' new song.

It's great. Is it a world-wide hit?

He always says, put it on the world. I say, it's not the world. If it's the world, I'll put it on the world. The kids say, which one is the world? The one of Dai Shanky. But it's not the world. If it's the world, I'll put it all the time. And there are new songs coming out, and it's normal.

Of course, that's what we were saying. Normal as everything. One tries to find... Wait, more weird than shit, what do you like about yourself and what you don't like about yourself? Are you clear on that?

Yes, what I don't like about myself is that when I enter... I get stuck and it's hard for me to get out of it.

When you don't like something, or you get overwhelmed?

Yes, any bullseye makes me change my mind. I get blocked and it's hard for me to get out of it. The one who gets me out of it fast is Mateo. The one who manages to get me out of it. Then they see everything. I can't say anything because...

Well, it might be useful to see this to break your ego.

Of course, it's possible. He's one of the few who manages to get me out of that state. But he's one of the few things. I don't like to communicate much. It's hard for me to express myself, to communicate my problems, what's happening to me. I know it's ugly, but it's my way too.

And what else?

And nothing else.

And what I like the most is... How he plays with his hair.

No, I don't know.

In the interview with Varsky, you say something that I remember, that sometimes when you're on the pitch, you're your first critic, you say, I'm so stupid.

What's the worst thing you've said to yourself?

No, I've said everything. I've had a lot of bad games, that I was in a mess, or situations, one on one, wrong goals. But yes, he told me everything. Inside, he motivated me a lot.

Do you have any positive phrase that you repeat in a difficult moment, like for, I don't know, to fool or to a power play? In the game?

Yes, in a moment...

No, more for the fact that I try to gain confidence.

You have to be good for the next one.

Yes. To solve a play well and change change the dynamics of my game. With the fact of doing things well, I'm going to win.

And also losing, but when you say... Exactly, exactly. When you don't get pissed off, when you get one and you say,

oh, your chest is inflating, what do you say inside?

I'm good, huh?

Sure, what do you say inside? I'm good, right? No, no, I'm satisfied. I'm satisfied to do what I wanted to do, what I wanted to do, always when things go well. A state of joy, which I live inside,

but with a lot of happiness. Is that the moment of most ecstasy you live when you nail it in an angle, when it comes out of you? I don't know if it's that much, Do you feel ecstasy when you hit a corner?

I don't know if it's that, but I do when I hit the target.

When you hit the target. In a documentary about Pelé, I heard the guy say, when I win a championship, I don't feel joy, I feel relief. Is there a bit of that? No, no joy.

Yes, a lot of joy, but it doesn't last long. It's temporary, because it's only two days and the third one you're already thinking about another game. Day-to-day, in games, everything Club World Cup, and for me it was perfect. We won. It was what had to happen and now it's what's coming. And what corresponds, in quotes. And outside of football, I'm taking the phone because I was investigating with Nico before the note,

there is a kind of business life, in quotation marks, beyond football, that is not so well known. And we are writing down.

The club of the Milanese that you have in Argentina, you have here.

Sorry, they changed the recipe. No, it's great.

It's very good.

We had to try a recent Milanese.

Yes, because I saw that at the beginning it was criticized a little.

Yes, but there your your dad got involved. Your dad asked to try it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wines, football team, Adidas Messi, that you're wearing your brand, the Messi Cup, which also has to do with that, here, the team with Luis Suarez in Uruguay, and I understand that with Inter you also have

there some that when you retire will also be part of the team.

Are you coming to the end of the month?

How do you manage to have fun with the people you don't know?

I have the people around me, who are by my side, who help me a lot. I've always thought about football, and the only thing on my mind was playing football. But there are times when you look beyond that. Do you have fun? Do you find pleasure in doing those things?

I like it, I try to learn because it's something new for me too. But above all, surround me with prepared people, that whatever we do, we put our best effort into it, we try to leave everything so that it goes well. Obviously, sometimes things are going to go wrong and not everything can be done well or perfectly, but above all, that the people who are involved in what they have to do

put their will and will into it to want to do what they want to do. I want them to do what they want to do. As I said before, my circle is always the same. Friends, family, people who have worked with me since I was a kid. I started playing when I was a kid. I have a lot of confidence in them too. People manage my things.

I go around and see everything.

And you give your opinion.

I give my opinion. And I really like it, I like this thing about Messi and K. Was this an idea, the Mexican one? Yes, we started last year with the people who work here in the club, trying to do something nice for the kids, so they can experience coming here to play, to have a competitive tournament.

It's the first time, there will surely be a lot of mistakes, and we'll have to change a lot of things, but the idea is that it's already started and that it stays, that it's a date that is marked for all the clubs, which is the Messi Cup tournament and that it can continue to grow, more clubs coming because we did a test with a few clubs and there were a lot left, because River came, Bosca didn't come, Lugano didn't come, Central didn't come. And it wasn't for nothing.

It happened that way and it was the easiest, the fastest way to organise it. But the idea was to have more clubs, to make the tournament bigger, to have more categories, and to give the kids the opportunity to have this experience, to enjoy it and live it in football, and in the human aspect as well, so they can get experience for life,

so they can remember it for life.

Football marks you for life, you know? Working as a team. In fact, I was going to ask you about your leadership. I'm very passionate about the way you lead. And not only you are a leader, obviously, and you have your style, but I don't know, Scaloni is a kind of... a particular leader,

Pep is another. How do you define your leadership?

How... are you more of not talking and talking more with facts? Yes, I think I've always been with facts, right? To show, as I said before, in what I do, I always give my best. Both on the pitch, in the games, as in training, with everything that

comes with preparation or football. Obviously, with the years, you gain experience, ease, and you talk more, you communicate in a different way with other generations, other kids, because I met a totally different generation

than mine when the process of 2018 ended. They were all young kids who loved me, who admired me.

They grew up watching you. Rodri told us that story, but I'd like to hear yours. He was the link between when you got to the restaurant and everyone was watching you.

I didn't realize it, but they said it was in Madrid when I played against Venezuela again. It was where this new group was. Because after 2018, a new generation ended and a new stage came. Everyone was sitting there waiting for the sun to rise to go eat so that everything could rise. And in reality, we didn't handle it that way. It was normal for us.

Once we were all there, we went to eat. And that was it. But that's what I was saying. What they wanted from me, the admiration they had for me, the respect. And Rodri, yes, I always tell him he was very similar to Pocho in that sense. Because he's very charismatic, always breaking the ball and forming groups.

He was the one who broke the barrier and made everything more natural, and we were gaining confidence and letting go of everything. And I was with them too, because in this case I was the new guy and I had to adapt to it. He helped me a lot because it made it easier for me to adapt as a team.

For example, after the game against Saudi Arabia, you knew everyone was going to look at you. Were you aware of that? That you had to show them that you were up there? Because if they see me down there,

or was it stronger than you, the heat?

No, I think that Rodri also told me about that, about the Puebla-Arabia. We had a day off in Puebla-Arabia, and no one stayed at the complex. They left with the family, I stayed and didn't want to do anything. Roli too. We got together and little by little we talked about what had happened, about the game, how everything had gone,

that we had lost that game, how it had gone, after 36, 37, that we had been without losing. Without losing. Without losing. How the game had gone, because in the first half we had situations to finish 3-0 and we ended up losing.

And well, from that talk we got stronger, we got convinced and we saw the positive things in the defeat. And well, I remember that in the group I started sending messages at night, after the game.

You had to send messages?

Yes.

A long text?

Yes, a text about everything that was happening. I don't remember who started it, but they started it all. And we got up a little. And the match against Mexico was a downer for everyone.

Do you use chatGPT?

No. You don't use artificial intelligence? No. Mexico for fun. Yes, Bolivia. What do you like? Food? Food, yes, yes. Everything. Everything. But I...

You didn't get into that.

No, I didn't.

There's a video that for me is one of the funniest in history. When I see it, I go there and it explodes. It's for a new Chinese year. Neymar says, Oh, Chihuahua, here I am. Luis Suárez, I said, well, we're here, happy new year to everyone! How did you make that decision? You never speak any language other than Spanish.

They ask you, they break your balls. I love Egypt! Thank you, Egypt! Happy new year! Happy new year!

Happy new year!

You have that conviction.

Well, that was precisely... I had already spoken to the club, and I told that I wouldn't do it in Chinese. If I stay in Spanish, they will do it in Spanish.

But it was great, they were all like, Chinese, Chinese, Chinese. Happy New Year.

No, even what you say in English, I don't like it.

Do you speak it? Is it a shame or is it a conviction?

It's a shame.

Like me.

Of course. Just like me. It's Pudor. I think that... I feel weird talking about it. I don't like it. I prefer to do it all in Spanish. But I think I can speak English and I can make myself understood and communicate. But yes, it's P he could. In private.

Yes, with the kids.

He comes to the club and says,

no, thank you, thank you.

That's great.

It's amazing.

You have to, in the middle of a stage, dodge him.

No, thank you, thank you.

Speaking of videos,

there's one from the last few days, a train.

Have you seen it? The last few days, you were on a train. Did you see the train? Yes, I saw it. You didn't like being on a train?

Those who don't like being on a train,

they grab you by the neck, looking at something. First of all, I don't like it like that. And besides, people grab you. No, after it wasn't the first time, we had done 500 trains. Enough of the trains.

Some of them had had a couple of drinks and I said, I need to see you. I saw him very involved with the drink. No, I'm the same. I have to dance too. I have to be a little bit crazy to dance.

Wait, and when you have the permission to drink, what do you drink? What do you like to drink to get a little bit drunk?

I like wine. I drink wine. If not, the same as always, wine and spray.

All your life?

Yes, so that it hits fast.

Wine and spray, because it's the best phrase in history.

Besides, it's nice, in the heat.

We saw you, another viral of yours you celebrating the three of you in Barcelona.

You were a kid back then.

Of course.

You were three!

We were there all day, hanging out with the gang. We drank a lot. I don't remember, but yeah. A couple of videos of that started coming out again. When I was hanging out with the gang.

There are a lot of videos of that started coming out again. When I'm getting off the bus. There are a lot of viral videos of you. A lot of viral videos of the one with the flag. There are thousands of viral videos of you.

The thing is that people are also aware of what I do, what I don't do.

What do you mean? A kid playing with a flag?

What do you want me to do? What gesture am I going to make? No, the little braid, yes, I saw it.

But I'm telling you, we've been doing it for 300 times already.

I felt very identified.

My girlfriend Flo loves doing the little braids.

So, I was surprised.

Besides, when you're walking and you don't make contact with the one in front of you, you say, we're walking in a line, we're not doing anything. Very rare. We're all in a line, we're not doing anything. It's very weird.

You don't do a lot of tricks with the ball. No, never. You never saw it?

Never.

You don't know?

No, I don't know.

The face!

He doesn't know, man. Which one of these do you never see?

I'm not going to ask you to do it.

All of them. Oh, now you're going to do it.

Oh, stop, stop, stop.

I never like doing it. And why do you never do it? For the sake of the catch? No, even, many times they tell me in the games that I don't do bicycles, I don't know, I don more. But I didn't do all the things you did, all the things you do with a ball.

All of them.

Randy, you missed all of them.

No, but I never liked it. But I do like to play with the ball, but I'm not a player to throw things. In fact, in the games, I don't do that either.

Yes, to move forward and to function.

Yes, yes, yes.

And you're more spicy lately on the pitch. Like, you allowed yourself more of that.

No, I think you can see more too. You can see more of that, right? In the conference finals, you, that match was pretty spicy. But always, always. Today is the third anniversary of the match against Holland. The one against the Dutchman Pallabonga. Yes, yes.

No, no, yes, of course. On the pitch, I always said that I, when I was a kid, I transformed myself, I wanted to win.

There you still express yourself, there's everything you keep out there.

Yes, yes. I want to win. You express yourself. You keep everything you have out there. I'm competitive, I get excited, I argue. Then the game ends and that's it. It's over. Maybe after a while.

You have your knees next to you, it doesn't stop. It doesn't stop. It motivates you. You know, after 13 years of going to Ya Bobo,

you saw that there was a cycle, going to Xabobo. There was a time when people were like,

enough, enough!

You would have liked it before, right?

People going to Xabobo would have broken your balls. It was very fast. We already had a shirt at home. The next day. There are many things I do on the field that later I see and I thought, what the hell? It's uncontrollable.

But at that moment, of course. Or the one with Van Gaal, I did that.

Oh, that one you regretted?

Yes.

Did you send a message to Riquelme after you scored?

No.

I talk to Roman, I talk to Roman often. We exchange messages. The last time he congratulated me for the championship. But we didn't talk about that, but we did talk a lot.

And that one you got on the pitch?

Yes, and I didn't even think about it.

Pure fire there.

It was 2-0 and we were fine. And then I wanted to kill myself even worse when we tied.

Sure.

And that came to your mind on the pitch?

Yes.

What did you do that for? Right at the moment. Right at the moment.

While you were doing it?

Yes. But, well, it follows you on the pitch. I'm the kind of person who thinks that I react within everything that I can. As I can and then everything is in the game. I play to win and I try to win. I'm going to do my best.

Then the game is over and everything is in the game.

Why did you cry the last time? Why did you cry the last time you cried?

Why did I cry? Do you remember the last time you cried?

I don't remember. I'm sensitive.

Really? I was going to ask you that. Are you sensitive?

Yes. With what? With movies. A movie that made you cry? I don't remember. I don't remember, but...

I don't know when was the last time.

But you're there in the movies, you give yourself to the emotion of the movie. Yes, I live it.

And you do it fast so you don't look so bad? Yes, it depends on the moment. It depends on the movie too. And does it make you go fast so you don't look tall? Or is there already confidence? It depends on the moment.

It also depends on the movie.

If it's a stupid movie.

And if you're crying with crazy legs.

I've done a lot of research so that it's seen. I live it more.

Do you believe in astrology? That's what Flores sent you. in astrology? Florentino sent that one to you.

No, I don't believe in astrology.

But you know the words.

It's cancer, Leo. Ah, it's a disease. Sensitive, family-oriented.

The thing is, I already said it.

It doesn't matter.

We've been talking about it for an hour. No, I don't know.

It doesn't matter to him.

And not to Anto?

Yes, a little more. Anto doesn't like you, typical cancer. She's a Capricorn, doesn't like you?

No, well, I have my father-in-law who's also cancer. And we have a lot of things that are very similar. So she immediately relates to...

Oh, this is going to be a good video.

A lot of things, she laughs because we are very similar, you see?

So she's used to it, she comes from a young age.

Momi says she's a friend of Anton's. She writes, yes.

Oh, but it's true, because I don't believe it. Don't think that's a miracle. All the time, they tell me, I think I'm going to interview Messi, I believe everything.

They say, oh, look at that, you're a friend. Do they really write to you?

Yes, yes, yes, and they laugh with her. Now we were watching Masterchef and he was laughing with her. Yes, yes, texting and all. What were they talking about? I don't know, but he told me to compare the messages. Well, she said yes. Yes, yes, she writes everything.

She bokeas a lot.

I'm going to ask her if it's true.

Are there things that are said about you that make you laugh? Things that have already been invented? I'm going to ask him if it's true. Are there things that people say about you that make you laugh? I imagine that around your figure there are a lot of people saying don't do such a thing, Leo doesn't like this. Do you feel that there are many myths around you? Or a story that is not true, that is told as true?

I don't know, what follows is that now it seems that everything that seems to be true

has nothing to be true appears.

And it has nothing to do with it. There are many titles, many people who raise their voices, who say, I said it, it happened, it has nothing to do with it.

But it's not like a story you want to tell.

No, not one, but there are a million things that were said that didn't happen. What happens is that people talk, say, and it happens. And you can't come out of nothing. As long as it's not something...

Strong.

Do you watch Chimentos? Do you watch Lamb?

Yes. Do you like Chimentos?

I like it.

I'm a bit like my mom. You know her. she likes everything. She's funny.

Do you talk to her? Did you see the one who screamed?

No, she doesn't like me.

You're more of a showman than a singer.

No, she doesn't. But I like to be up to date.

Obviously. But nothing, just to be up to date. Obviously! Obviously!

To inform myself a little bit. But nothing, I like it. I think I got it from my mom. My mom loves it. Your mom is always watching... She loves the theater, Cholula.

She likes it. She likes all of that. I was there with Ángel on Lamba.

Oh, you're going to call her? Ángel, Ángelita, Ángelita.

He's not going to let her.

You have to ask her before going to Lamba, I imagine.

Yes, of course I'm going to ask her. She would tell me, but... What do you watch on YouTube? I'm not a big fan of YouTube. We'll give you Luzu. We'll give you Luzu.

We'll ask again.

What do you watch on YouTube?

I watch a little bit of Luzu, but I don't watch a lot of anything else. But Luzu, right?

A little bit of a summary.

I recently watched El Diego.

Did you watch the documentary?

Yes, the documentary El Diego. I had said it off the record and it was there. Yes, a little bit of a summary too. Yes, also. Well, I saw Diego's recently.

Did you see the documentary? Yes, I saw Diego's documentary. I had said it off the record and it was there.

Well, well, well.

It's all set up.

Pretend. I had to pretend to be surprised.

It came out naturally.

Did you see how he acted? Did you see it?

Did you tell him?

Yes, Diego. I'm scared. Well, I'll keep this. I saw it, I saw it. I'll be honest with you about the use. Do you remember when I started to watch it?

Yes, yes.

I wrote everything. I made an account to watch it.

Sorry, you made an account of what?

On YouTube to watch it. To watch what? Yes, yes, when I started everything.

No, no, it's great what you're saying.

But then, little by little, I'm being honest, little by little.

He came and regretted it.

We cut this part. No, but then, you see, they start appearing. The clips. Sure, but because of the time change and that too. Sure. Before, I would get caught, as I me up in the morning. When he'd go to practice, he'd listen to it. Then, now, he's...

You sent me a story, you sent me a photo, you remember? You were listening to me, you sent me, we were listening, you were with Luis. I don't remember, we were debating,

and he started following us.

Sure, no, at the time,

we went to Uruguay, and you were with Luis Suárez. Ah, with his friends, the Uruguayan Theatre. With Rafa, Iñaki, Celado.

And there you were also. I couldn't believe it. Thank God I didn't see it live, otherwise I would have been nervous.

Yes, it's true. Actually, you were the ones watching my show at that time.

Ah, you saw it, man.

Ah, Diego. Good, look. It's true, I remember that time. You too, because... Yes, me too, me too.

It's true.

Incredible.

Incredible.

I remember we were in a... We had gone to see someone at the theater.

Yes.

And I grabbed the phone, you see, when I was at the theater I didn't look at the phone. And I grabbed the phone like that and... I thought it was a joke. Your profile was on the news. I was like, this son of a bitch put his profile on the news. And it kept coming, and coming, and coming. So he grabs another girl who has the Instagram of the show. And he says, and he's following the show too. And that was like, we couldn't, we didn't understand anything.

Because out of nowhere. And then you told me that you had a guy on the click. But that round you also started following me. Diego, me and before anyone else. And I remember that I was going to the USU with Flor in the car and I hear you saying, Leo is following us. I say, Flor, take my cell phone and see if he's really following Q&A. And Flor comes in and says, yes, yes, yes, Q&A, Diego and you.

Like me?

Of course.

What, I didn't follow you?

No.

How come? She thought it was normal, you know?

I remember telling her the story that they were at a party.

Yes, yes, yes, right there in a little ball. Are you aware? It's a pain in the ass for you, right? Because anyone... In fact, you don't like anything because you know you're creating that mess. Do you feel like saying, what a pain in the ass,'ll keep going, you're going to create a mess? No, sometimes...

Sometimes I do have some that I want to stop following, but I don't say it because...

Oh, there are some?

I'm so into it that if I don't say it, I'll keep going.

But it's true, all those bullshit, they come back later and they're bullshit. Have you silenced anyone?

I mean, if you silenced them, you wouldn't let them go because you don't want them to show up anymore.

No, no.

But it's a pain to live like that, right? That every little thing, every little thing that can become a world title, what do they call it? What would it be? Look, this, boom. I take care of myself, I pay a little more attention to the other, because if not I go crazy. No, you can't live. But a little bit because of what I was saying, I don't like to appear or be talked about me not being playing football. So, for that reason, it bothers me to appear in anything, in anything.

Don't make a clip of this note. People are looking at you. I don't like it.

You are the player who has won the most in the history. Do you have anything left? I don't even want to say it. No, no, we don't even tell him. We're not going to ask him.

No, thank God, what can I say? I was able to do everything. As I always say, God gave me more than I thought. And everything happened at the right time. When it seemed impossible, the Argentine team won the trophy. That was what I wanted the most and what I lacked.

The Copa America came and I thought, at least I won something with the national team. I started in the Copa America and then Qatar. Copa América, and then I played in Qatar.

The final in Qatar and the second in the Copa América.

That's why I often talk about the sign I make to my family and the stadium. After this, we can be calm, we've done everything.

Everything that comes is from above.

I'm more than grateful for everything I've lived and achieved.

I'm totally grateful.

Do you see yourself as a manager of a team, or a manager of a club? I don't see myself as a manager. I like being a manager, but I like being a manager more. I would like to have my own club, to grow a club, to start from the bottom and to give the opportunity to the kids, to the people, to grow and to make an important club.

If I have to choose where to go, If I have to choose where to go, I think it's something that would go, I think it would be somewhere else.