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Which country is most worried about India's development?

I say that if India is the most attracted to anything, then it's Britain.

Have you seen Durandar?

Yes, I have.

How did you like it?

It's good. I entertained.

The spy in that movie, Ranveer Singh, how close do you think his character is to a spy?

A lot of people asked me, is this really what happens in movies? Inside a spy? I said no. I said, I'll say one scene, and you'll say you didn't hear me.

The one who is invisible in the world, the most dangerous in the world. If I ask you, in your opinion, If I ask you, who do you think is the most dangerous enemy? Obviously, I think it's Pakistan.

No.

So is your real name Lucky Beast or are you just saying it?

Look...

So this is...

No, give him the answer.

Sir, people know it as Lucky Beast. It's not Lucky Beast in the documents.

It's not?

But your document is different. It's different, but documents, it's not in the documents, it's in the Lucky List. It's not? But your document is different, right?

It's in a different name, it's in the Lucky List.

So, when we're talking here, do you keep your wallet here or inside?

No, no, I have my wallet.

Bro, please go, I'll hold him. Do you have a weapon? Does Lawrence Vishnoy supported by the government?

Why would the government support a gangster? Tell me, sir.

No, I'm not saying that. No, people are saying that.

I'm asking the same question. Why would the government support a gangster? Tell me the reason.

We had our ID in 1947.

In 1968, the R&W was established. Tell me the names of the 5 spies.

I don't know, sir.

You can also become an agent. It's very easy to become an agent. Anyone can become an agent. But it's very difficult to become a soldier. Many people have not seen the army. The day they see the army's footsteps,

the day the army marches, they will know the power of the army. What is the clarity on Dawood? Is Dawood alive or not? Only Pakistan's ISI knows this in the world. And Pakistan army knows whether Dawood is alive or not. But which agency is not good for humanity? It wants to make war in the whole world. It wants to have its own power in the whole world. Even if millions of people die,

it doesn't matter.

That's MI6, sir.

How big is the risk of honey trap for an agent?

MI6 plays a very big role in this.

Honey trap.

You must be hearing that CIA did this, Mossad did this, ISI did this. Sir, in the world of intelligence, the one whose name is at the back, will be more dangerous. Okay. Tell me one example.

The biggest terrorist than you, I am saying, is not even Maulana Masood. You are saying very controversial. Sir, what are you saying? Namaste and welcome, friends. You are watching The Raunak Podcast.

You must have seen the movie, Dhurandhar. But have you ever thought about the real life life of an agent? Is it like the one shown in the movies? Or is everything different? You can get the answers to all these questions in today's podcast. Because to answer all these questions, we have with us India's most debated, controversial and mystery filled commando.

Agent. Sniper. A person whose past is a classified document. So please welcome Lucky Bisht. Namaste and welcome. How are you? I am doing great. And how is the country?

It is doing great. In our country, everything is fine. But everywhere you are seeing, left, right, up and down. What is the situation in the world?

So, should I call you a former agent or what?

You can call me anything. You can call me an Indian, a former agent, a soldier So, what do you see as a result of all this? What is the biggest risk for India at the intelligence level? And are we capable of tackling that risk? Sir, we will not say risks, but any country in the world We will not talk about India, any country in the world becomes a superpower only when the public is there

Otherwise, you can bring any powerful army in the world superpower You have to have faith in your country, you have to trust your government, you have to trust every person who contributes to your country. Only then your country can become a superpower. And there is one thing in life, I try to tell you in a low level, You must have seen in a neighborhood that if any man moves forward, there are four people who are going to pull him back. This is in every society in the world. So now let's come to the country, When any country in the world becomes a superpower,

then there will be difficulties. Every big country in the world will try to bring it down. There will be criticism in your country. People will also protest against your government. So assume that you are making progress.

If your country itself is ruined, then who will... I mean, no agency in the West or the one will be interested in the West or any agency in the world. Because it is already ruined. The other country will only interfere when you are moving towards superpower.

So which country is pulling India's leg the most? Which country is most worried about India's development?

Sir, this is my personal opinion, which I think is ground research. I say that if India wants to pull the most, then it is Britain, MI6.

Okay.

Not America. If you see in the news, it looks like America or China.

No, no, sir. I will tell you. Sir, one question. Sir, the British who say that the sun never set. I mean, almost all their countries were slaves. If the sun would set in one country,, the sun would rise in the other country. So you tell me, since 1947,

when the British left, have you ever heard about MI6? Have you ever heard about MI5? You always hear that CIA did this, Mossad did this, ISI did this.

Sir, in the world of intelligence, the more the name is behind, the more dangerous it will be. Okay. The more behind, the person whose name is at the back will be the most dangerous Okay The person whose name is at the back I will tell you an example 10 people are doing an event

The person whose name is at the 10th number will be the most dangerous in the world of intelligence

Okay

And he will be forced to give that name He will try his best that his name doesn't come first He will stay away from this world But if he is forced to give his name, then he will write his name in the corner. And he will be the most dangerous man. People say that as a proxy, today in the Middle East, Ukraine and Russia are going on.

And you have been seeing for the past three years, the war that is going on. What is the world saying? The world says that no, Ukraine was used as a proxy. Ok, Ukraine was used as a proxy to wage war with Russia. I say that Britain also used America as a proxy.

Against whom?

Against Russia.

Against Russia, of course.

You understand what I am saying? America was used as a proxy. What does America mean with this war, sir? You tell me this, Russia, today Britain is not such a big enemy of Russia in the eyes of the world. Who is the biggest enemy? America. So MI6 is the most dangerous agency in the world on the back foot.

So in India, you are saying that any problem happens at the civil level, at the public level, on the road.

So in that you are saying that MI6 or the British have the biggest hand. problem Lingi Cameron. She publishes an article on 30th November. And what does she write in that article? She writes that Putin wants to kill men all over the world. And she writes another important thing in that article. That the Prime Minister of India, Modi ji also asked Putin to stop this war. When is this article published? 3-4 days before Putin sir's arrival.

Now tell me one thing sir, A British ambassador, who is in India, he is an ambassador to say sir, an agent of MI6, who is kept by MI6 here, maybe they watch my every video, Britain checks my every video,

so MI6 tells its agent to publish this article. So how should this article be published? This article should be published from Britain. Because Britain is saying it, we are not saying it. Sir, I have a problem in my house.

But they publish it in Indian newspapers.

They publish it in Indian newspapers. If there is a problem in my village, I will not ask Kerala to write it. I will write in my village, in a local paper that there is a problem in my village. Britain thinks that Putin is doing this. So Britain does not publish this article in BBC. Where does this article publish?

In a newspaper in India. I will not tell the name of the article. It is published in a news article in India. Second point. What did they do with this first thing? That Putin is coming to India.

Suppose I am coming to your house today. And someone is saying in your house that this man is a useless person. Whatever happens to me, but it will affect the man. He is touring our country. First he is writing that he wants Narsangar. He is coming in our newspaper.

Who is the one who got it done? The British President. First they are writing that they want Narsangar. This is coming in our newspaper. Who is the one who got it done? British President. Second point, in this only. There is a small news here for the people here. Half of the people have not even read it in a newspaper.

But how this whole news article has been shown in Europe, in BBC. Then BBC publishes its next article. Do you know what BBC writes in their article? They don't write that we have written this article. They say read the Indian article. Are you getting me?

They say read the Indian article. Now the whole of Europe mindset is set that we are not saying this.

India is saying this.

This is MI6 sir.

Game.

And if you look carefully in that article, Lindy Cameron's name is written on the third number. Although the article was published by Lindy Cameron, but before that, she played a game and wrote the name of Germany and France's ambassador first. So what I said is that what is not visible in the world,

is the most dangerous in the world. If I ask you, who is the most dangerous enemy in your view? The one we don't know about. That who is the most dangerous enemy in your opinion? The enemy we don't know about. That enemy is the most dangerous. I know everything about him.

When he flies, when he eats, when he bathes, where he goes, how much is his bank balance, which weapons he knows to use, I know everything about him. I don't know about the danger he is in. Vision is the most dangerous.

Pakistan is a hungry country. There is a war going on. The whole country is in debt. We have accepted Pakistan as our enemy. Because Pakistan through ad funding

takes money and spreads terrorism. But think who is making them do this? Why is Pakistan given so much money to spread terrorism?

So you are saying who is giving money?

Am I sick sir? Mostly or only? Mostly. Pakistan is given so much money to spread terrorism. So you are saying who is giving the money? MI6 sir. Mostly or only? Mostly. It won't be only. So who is it? Who funds Pakistan against India? I will tell you directly. You take MI6.

On the second number you take CIA. On the third number you take MWS. Okay.

So one is of British and one is of America.

See what happened to America, next to it is China. Okay. So one is of British and the other is of America. One is of America and the other is of China. Because we will be confused. If we are stuck in our own problems, then how will we improve? So I am telling you that people say, the people of the country say that

why doesn't a big law of India be made? Why doesn't it be amended in the law? You support it. If you don't support it, how will it be amended in the law? You guys support us. If you don't support us, how will it get amended in the law? I am telling you, 4-10 days ago, I was discussing that we were getting a communication app. People were saying that they won't put it.

Sir, you will give your entire privacy to Apple. You will give all your privacy to Google. You can post your whole family on Instagram. Post while bathing. You have trust on them. They are tracking your every second location.

They have all your privacy. You have trust on the Google account that you have. You don't have trust on an Indian app. Understand this psychology.

They have trust.

Entire India has trust but they are being fooled. Are you getting me? They don't have trust. Understand this psychology. They have trust. The whole of India has trust. But they are being deceived. Do you understand? Whose game is this? This is MI6's game.

So you are saying that what is its chronology? What is its sequence? Where does MI6 invest money? Does it invest in the media? Does it invest in business? How does this happen?

And not just MI6, but all the other intelligence agencies? Where does the money invest? Does it invest in media or business? How does it happen? Not only MI6, but all the other agencies?

Sir, all the NGOs in our country The NGOs in Britain Why are they funding here? Who are they funding? Money is coming to an NGO in Britain This money goes to terrorism

Direct money will not come You find out the details of these NGOs In India, there are thousands of NGOs in India. You want to do good in your country, right? They have a loan of 6 trillion dollars. Indians say that Britain is very rich.

They have a loan of 6 trillion dollars. America says that they have a lot. So I tell you, they have a loan of 38.9 trillion dollars. Why is the Russian war going on? Try to think about it. Because Russia doesn't have a single trillion loan.

They have a loan of $379 million. Million dollar.

Okay. So, the Russian intelligence agency,

does it support India or not? Sir, look, in international politics, let me make one thing clear. There is no permanent friend here, nor is there a permanent enemy here. But our relations with Russia have been good. If we talk from 1947 to date, even if we are dealing with MiG-21, we have taken MiG-21. Russia has given us.

If we started with AK-47, we took it from Russia. So Russia is giving us, it is dealing with weapons, we are taking oil, but how is it shown? How is it shown in international law? That an Indian businessman says that we will cut oil from Russia. A businessman said this right? You say anything tomorrow, you say that I will not buy this stuff from America. This is your personal suggestion, why is it being associated with the country?

But what propaganda is spread all over the world? That India has refused to take half of the oil from Russia. No, you are telling half the story. You are not saying that a businessman in India refused to take it. Because you are putting pressure on that businessman. Because your case of that businessman is going on in America.

Correct.

If we try to know how the Indian intelligence agency works, and in which region they are most active, how easy is it to find out or understand?

Sir, look, the name of which has become secret service, that is a secret, you can't find out about it in life. The first thing is that any agency in the world, we will not talk about our agency, any agency in the world, is active in that country from where that country is a threat. Take any country, whether we are looking at the PAK, GEX, Middle East, China, they work on different GEX and in this way the whole world is covered. Like PAK is sensitive, why is PAK sensitive? They say that the person who is getting destroyed himself, what does he not do when he dies?

Pakistan is getting destroyed, so it a dying person do? Pakistan is getting destroyed. So, it will do it to every extent. It is getting destroyed by itself. It needs money. So, it will go to any extreme. But the main thing,

we just try to touch the point. Sir, you are getting fever daily. What will you do? You will take a medicine daily. But you will not see why I am getting fever? But where is the problem coming from? Pakistan is doing terrorism daily, is doing explosions, is sending terrorism.

We can see this point. Who is the back point? Who is giving him so much fund? And why is he giving? Why is he giving the second thing? This question should come to people. Many people say, why is Britain giving money?

Why is America giving money to Pakistan? America who does not lend a single rupee loan to anyone, who is himself in a loan of 38.9 trillion, why will he give a loan to Pakistan? Try to understand this reason. The world's largest agencies, business agencies,

if you ask me, I will say weapons, the industry of war, is the world's largest agency. The more unrest there is, the more weapons will be sold. Sir, you take a small point. Operation Sindhu happened.

I am telling for example. Be it MI6 or CIO, what they did? Suppose they funded ISI of 10,000 crores. They said, do one thing, attack India. ISI gave 500 crores to Maulana Masood Azhar. That do one thing, send the boys

Out of that 500 crores, Maulana Masood Azhar spent 50 lakhs And sent 4-5 people Did you understand the game? Means, the man came here in 50 lakhs and did a terrorism attack What did India do because of this terrorism attack? Did a reaction?

Air strike happened As soon as the air strike happened, the whole of Asia was shaken. People thought that to stay safe, we need big weapons, big missiles, right sir? We need everything, we need our air system, we need our defense system. Big deals started happening. Sir, if MI6 or CIA gave 1000 crores, then it has become a business of lakhs of crores within a month.

Money makes money

Money makes money

I always say that terrorism is a big business It's a business sir

Have you seen Durandar?

I have seen Durandar sir

How did you like it? It's good, I entertained him. The spy in that movie, the agent Ranveer Singh, how close do you feel his character is to a spy's life?

Sir, the best thing I felt after watching the whole movie, I liked one point. What happens is, whenever we cross the LOC, we don't have the power that we have at home.

That's right.

There is a point, for example, that we know that this is wrong. We are very helpless there. We can't do anything. It doesn't mean that people say that you didn't do anything there. No, you could have done it there, for example. But what happens is that we have gone for a very big job.

It is possible that someone takes action there. We will kill two people, we will kill four people. But we are a part of a very big operation, which is stopping a very big thing. So you saw the situation there. He knows that what are these girls doing?

They are going to attack. There is one example. They are angry that they will kill my people too. But if I take any action there, what will happen? I will kill a few people. They will send 20 more. So this situation is an important thing that they have shown.

Which is not seen in many places. In the movie, it happens that one man does everything, and there everything is finished. When a man goes somewhere as a spy, this situation is shown to be real. And secondly, people have not been able to show the world as a spy.

In people's mind, if I meet any person tomorrow, If I get any sources or any other spy or asset, I know from the beginning what is his background. For example, he is sitting there. I think he can work for me. But what can he do for example?

He will work for me. Tomorrow he will become my asset, my sparrow, anything, for example, he will become my field agent, I will see what he will become. Sorry, I am interrupting you. He is called a sparrow. Like a coat, he is called a sparrow. What will this man do? I will tell him to do one thing. Pick up this news from Ronak Bhai and give it there. His work is to give information there. What is the information there?

To tell each other that you never meet each other. There should not be any threat to each other. So this is to give messaging. So there are many ways. So now this man is only giving a message, so what is the value of this? Suppose in the world, a man is found, he says, Lucky, what is this about MI6? He is an agent, so I will say, okay, he is an agent.

As soon as he will tell me the next thing, I will become like this. So he will say, I am an agent, I understood the agent. He said that his background, military background of special force. I will be like this. Now you understand what I am saying. Before this, he told me that he was an agent.

Agent can be anything. Agent can be to get information in our country. Or he has come to our country to do a big propaganda. Or he has come to our country to give money to many corrupt people. But as soon as he told me that what is his background, His background is military background,

His background is SF. If you say that he has a military background, a background of the SF, then it's a lie. Because that man is a hardcore deadly killer. Because he has a background of the military, a background of the special force, and he is an agent. So it means that he has not come for a normal job. He has come here to do a very big activity.

So in our movies, or whatever we see, we think of a spy. There is a background of a spy. If you have a small example, like you just talked about Dhonender. You must have heard the name of a spy, Eli Cohen from Israel. Eli Cohen, who was going to become a defense minister in Syria. His background was not military.

His background was not military, he was a spy. His job was not military background. He was a spy. His job was to gather information, to do propaganda in a country, to change the government there, how to bring a revolution there. Are you getting me?

So, as a student or in training,

you were shown Eli Cohen? Yes, every spy in the world. Okay, every spy was shown. We will come to that, but let's complete this. So this thing is shown well in Dhunandhar. And one more thing is shown. I have seen it here first. I don't know what is shown in the second part.

What is the background of Ranveer Singh in this?

He has not come yet.

He has not come yet. I don't know what is his background. That will be a big thing for me, sir. What is his actual background? Whatever I understood, I felt that, I will tell you that, the people who have worked in the army in India, very few people in the army know that there are such forces in India.

Many forces are not even known. Even today you heard the name of the R&W. I say that there is a force in India that is more dangerous than R&W. I have not heard of it in India. I will not disclose its name. But today's generation is very intelligent.

I will tell you that in 1960s, that force was formed. It is the densest force. A small example, in Dhunandhar, I felt that this force works. Because I saw a small background in this.

Which scene was it?

One scene was that, one of our characters, like the character played by NSA chief, Madhavan sir, so there is a criminal or gangster who goes inside any case.

This happens. This force works in India. Suppose, it seems that this man has only one. He will be hanged. He will die. But it is seen that why he has committed a crime. Why he has committed a crime, for example.

We study crime also. Suppose, you have committed four murders.

Why?

Why you have committed murders? You have been tortured. For example, you have been tortured. People have been troubled by people, your family has been troubled. You first went to the law. You can show an example, sir. What do we say, a very big Pansinthomar. An example. Correct.

The man who gave the medal to India, the police did not listen to him. At last, he picked up the weapon. In the same case, a boy, today's's situation has changed. Police are very advanced. You commit a crime, kill four people and go inside. You have no crime record. You had no crime record.

Your problem was genuine. They were genuinely troubling you. For any reason, it could be about land or your family. And it is not that you committed a direct crime. You should have asked for help before this. But there were some corrupt people in the police department. They didn't help you anywhere.

You took a step out of helplessness. Does the government think so or not? Either this man will be in jail all his life. He is in prison all his life. So why not take work from him for this country? Correct. They fired you. Now they told you that these are small people.

These are four people. The real problem is not this, the problem is somewhere else. A bigger problem than this. But you were not bad, sir. You were not bad in real, you just finished the crime. Your method was wrong. So where do they get used? By making special agents. By making special agents. Now after this, in the same situation, what I understood,

after seeing the scene, that Ranveer Singh's scene, there was a glimpse, so I thought that someone has committed a crime. Someone has been tortured.

The dialogue is, only when you are injured, you are dangerous.

So I thought that something wrong happened to him.

Correct.

After something wrong happened, he committed a crime. After the crime, our chief, the one who was shown as NSA chief, the chief of R&W, the one who played the character. They thought that he is a boy. He hates crime.

Who does the boy hate? With crime. Now, in this character, has Ranveer Singh been given military training or not? We will know that later. If Ranveer Singh has been given military training, then this dude is deadly or very dangerous. Okay.

One criticism of this film is that you have shown a lot of violence in this film. If you show this, the society will be ruined. You have shown hyper nationalism in this film. Because there is a dialogue at the end that this is New India, it will enter the house and kill. So you see all these things. You have taken many political references in it.

Sir, tell me one thing. People say that show the mark art, you are watching U10, in which kid's mobile is Netflix, Amazon, in which one is not there? In which one is not there? You say that Deadly, you watch this picture, watch it comfortably, means there is no problem in watching. No, no, what problem? If you have gone in the middle of the movie, and said that I can't watch one scene further, then I agree. Many people asked me the question,

that is this really the case in movies? Inside the spy? I said no. I said, I will say one scene, and you will say that I don't want to listen. Okay, it is that deadly. So that is the real torture. These are the things sir. You have seen this.

You have seen 10-20%. So what is wrong in this? What is wrong in this? I am asking you.

What is wrong in this? They say that there is no need to say all this. In the earlier films, the spy used to go to buy vegetables from the helicopter. He used to do a mission on the way. Then later he used to come a mission on the way, then he used to come later and dance with the girl on the beach.

Then the girl used to become an ISI agent, so he used to make a relation with her. So she is happy-go-lucky, so why do you have to show her so brutally? If you have to do a mission, then show it well.

No sir, why are they having a problem? That they will enter the other relative there. Whether it is directly or indirectly. I mean, it is not like your wife or siblings live there. I call it relative, the way your house is running. In the world, you are showing that you are doing politics in India.

But in reality, who are your fathers sitting outside who manage your entire fund? So, you will feel bad. And if someone says something to you, you will beat him up. So this can also be a way, sir. Let's come to your personal journey now. Absolutely, sir.

So as a sniper, what was your first killing? Can we say killing?

Sir, we can also say killing. What do we call killing?

Or we can say project.

We can say an eliminate, we can say an operation, sir. So what was the first operation? Sir, I don't know the exact date and where it was done, but I will tell you first.

Which year was it?

It was around 2006.

Okay, in 2006. So, when there is an attack on Mumbai after two years, does a person of the force get angry or does it make you angry?

No, sir, you will get angry. See, what happens is that whoever is in the force, the force of India is the best, sir. Whether you take paramilitary forces, or army, special force, navy, air force. I say that the force that you give work to the people of India, that force will complete. It is not that if you give work to our force, then our force will do the best.

In the world, whichever force you give work to, that force will do its best. So, you will get angry. Why not? Suppose, if I am in my regiment or in my agency. So, what was your profile at that time? What was your post? Sir, you can understand it as a commando. Okay. I was also on post somewhere. So, I get to hear news.

So, it happens that we stay with someone for 10 months. We are together for 10 months. We go to our house for 2 months. So in a year, we have the same house for 10 months. And what happens is that somewhere you feel that the team that has gone, I must have trained with them sometime.

Because there are a lot of courses in us too. It is not that one thing comes to people's mind, one person becomes an agent, then the agent is not like that. It's not like that. It's not like that. It's not like that. It's not like that. It's not like that. It's not like that. It's not like that. It's not like that. It's not like that. It's not like that. It's not like that. It's not like that. It's not like that. It's not like that. It's not like that. It's not like that. It's not like that. It's not like that. It's not like that. It operation was in 2006. It was in 2006. It was the first time in my life on the ground. There was a lot going on in training.

Tell me the situation. If not exact, then tell me what happened.

What was the situation? Actually, I won't be able to tell you the location, which location I was in. Because there are a lot of questions in it. It starts coming from that country. Okay, so it was abroad? Yes, it was abroad. So I couldn't disclose where it was in Africa.

There are many groups there for which the UN has gone. So there was an organization that was propagandizing and not letting it work in its own way. Because they went for peacekeeping, so peacekeeping means peace, but you are targeting our people again and again. So it was found that, as we say here, there is a commander, one commander will come at a particular location,

and this is not a better target, a soft target, which we could eliminate. We got a lot of input, and the distance was not very far. The target was at a distance of 450 meters. And the arc of fire was also clear.

Because we had all the time to take position. There are two types of targets. One target is when we are going suddenly. And at that time, we get ambushed. We counter fire against it. But this situation has changed.

I already know the location. I also know where my target will come. So we take this as a soft target. Because at this time, how do I eliminate the target? So when I took the position for the first time, and we are always two,

we have always learned one thing. See, what is the motto of a sniper? Let me clear that. That a soldier's motto is one bullet, one enemy. A sniper's motto is one bullet, one commander. The motto of any army in the world is

one bullet, one commander. Any army's motto is one bullet, one enemy. But a sniper's motto is one bullet, one commander, one bullet, one leader. A sniper is not made to kill ordinary people. Its job is to finish the leader, and the war is over. So, the place where we waited, After waiting, after 4-5 hours, they came.

Guards were already sitting there. There was a wooden platform to sit on. They sat on that. So, I can clearly see my target there. I could have shot the head if I wanted. But they say that when we work on the ground,

the first time, the heart starts beating. The heart beat starts increasing. Like everyone knows that what isbeats are from 60 to 100 beats. And a normal person breathes 12 to 20 times. Now at that time, the heartbeats and breathing also started increasing. I can control my breathing.

If I stop breathing for a minute, then my breathing will not work. How will I control my heartbeat, sir? Because I know that in every second, suppose my heartbeat is going above 60. My heartbeat started running above 60 seconds. And when I pressed the trigger, and my heartbeat also stopped with it. So if my bullet, when it came out of the barrel,

if it is 1mm to the left or right, 1mm, that is, 1cm is 10mm, that is, 1mm to the left or right. If my target is at a distance of 500m, then my bullet will go 10-15m away from my target. You understand?

Here it is 1mm, there it will be 10-15 meters away. Do you understand? Here it has gone 1 mm, there it will go 10-15 cm away. So, for a sniper, it was very important that whenever your trigger is being pressed, your heartbeats should not be running. The gap between one heartbeat and the other.

That is the long procedure of training. And here I know what is the speed of the air. At a distance of 400 meters, that speed of air will not be there. We will have to analyze the speed of air there, by looking at the trees there.

Okay.

Because here, suppose the speed of air is running, for example, 5 km per hour. In front, it is running at 12 km per hour or 10 km per hour. At a distance-10 meters. So, these are very important things for a sniper. So, I told you the same situation, that if I wanted, I could have shot the head, but I didn't.

I was afraid that the target might get lost. For the first time, I felt like this. So, I changed my hat, brought it down. It's a very big body. So here the round of the sniper is so powerful. Nowadays, sir, 0.5 gm, that is, 12.7 mm rounds have been made. What they do is, they can even cross a bulletproof vehicle, sir.

So powerful, sir. 0.5 gm, means, it can cross your army's bulletproof jacket from the front and from the back, sir. So I shot him first. For a few seconds, I was like, what happened? I didn't get the bullet. Then when the target fell down, I was very happy.

I felt like the whole world was... Within a second, I got hit. The target missed. Within a pulse second, when it fell down suddenly.

And where did he get shot? Where did you shoot?

I tore it all apart. He had shot it at this point. So, he tore this part of it apart.

And what weapon did you have?

I had a Dragunov 7.62mm. So, it's much more advanced than that. I told you, this is 7.62mm. Now, 12.7mm. 12.7mm, I mean, it's torn apart. That was 7.62mm.

This is 12.7, it was 7.62, now it is 12.7.

So this weapon is given to the person who is officially designated.

These are not openly available weapons, these are sniper weapons. Sir, in the Indian Army, in every section, like in the platoon section, there is an LMG in every section. And I will tell you, as far as I can, I think it can be up or down, something or the other. In a battalion, you may not think that there will be more than 15-20 or 10-12 snipers, sir.

Okay.

So that man is finished. Tata goodbye. He is gone. So then you ran away from there quickly or how?

Like in movies, backpacked, gunman, took out. backpack or gun? We have a route of infiltration and exfiltration, the route we are going through. There is a lot of it. I told you, if we run classes for this, it will take a year. Okay. Like, which way you have to go, which way you don't have to go.

Even if the ants have broken their line, you know which way you don't have to go. Because some animal has throw food there. A sniper will tell you that the food is 2 days old, 3 days old, 4 days old, 10 days old. You break a tree leaf. A sniper will tell you that he has seen the broken leaf of that tree and will tell you how many days ago it was done.

He will tell you by looking at the oak fallen from the tree. So, it's the whole thing. So, the range is also defined in this, that the sniper will come at this range,

or there are close killings also.

Close killings, sir, no, no, see, actually what happens is, a sniper is not like that, that he will only shoot the sniper. Now I am inside a room, sir. This is not a 5 meter room,

if I see. If you say to me that I have the best weapon, give me a pistol. What is the best weapon for me? It is a pistol. Because my target is very close. Or if you give me a weapon at a distance of 20-25 meters, I will say that give me the best weapon, MP5 or anything. Give me an AK for example. If my target is at a distance of 300-400 meters, I say give me an LMG. If my target is at a distance of 1000 meters, I say give me a sniper. Sir, according to the man and distance, the weapon is chosen.

We can't choose a man according to the weapon. Okay. Always.

Okay. And then when you did this operation successfully, Did you tell your family that today I went for the operation and I got better? No, no, sir. Your family said, okay, you became a doctor and went for the operation.

No, no, who will tell my family, sir? So, you are in the secret service, you are a sniper, when did you reveal this to your family or never did it?

Of course, now you know.

Now, when this book came on Within My Life, when S. Hussain Jadisar did R&W hitman,

then only you came to know?

Then only I came to know. And how many operations have you done? Sir, I will clear this also through your podcast. You guys ask questions about how many operations. So, I will tell you a small example. What is the rule of this country? There is a law of the army.

That the army will go to the CIOPS for 3 years and come back to peace for 3 years. CIOPS is where counter-insurgencies are going on. Where terrorism, like the North East, J&K when army comes back to peace after 3 years like I am sitting in Delhi this is my peace now let me tell you, when army goes to CII for 3 years

so in a day means 365 days in a year is 6 hours army does 3 operations in a night one person must have gone for operation, another party will come out. If a person is in CIO for 6 months, then I will tell you that in 6 months, he may have gone for 180 operations. How many successes are there, that is a different thing. It is not that this picture is not running that you went and and became successful in the operation.

So, the operation is done daily.

How many years were you in the C.I.A.?

I have always been in the C.I.A. I had come to NSG for a few days. So, what are the numbers? People want to know the numbers. Sir, I have done a lot of operations. But I don't count the operations.

Let's not discuss it now. But you must have the report, right? Because the report of the commander who was shot, his documents must be somewhere, or he must have... No, no, it must be somewhere. All the code operations that happen later, and in the future, if they open the file in Lodhi Road or Block, then maybe history will tell. See, the CIA opens it, if our agency opens it too.

So, who has done which operation?

Code, only name, no name will be disclosed. No name of any operation in the world will be disclosed.

So what will happen? There will be a code. Operation Fiji?

No, no, no, like in Operation Fiji, code Sekawat, code Mohan Narayan. Who was Mohan Narayan? Who was Sekawat? Who was Sanjeev Sehgal? This is a code.

Like a baby film, it had a baby.

Baby was an operation. For example, Operation Fiji. The world knows that I think on 14th May 1987, Rabuka had toppled the government of Fiji. When Rabuka toppled the government of Fiji. When Rabooka toppled the government of Fiji, 50% of the population of Fiji was Indian.

After the government toppled, Rajiv Gandhi was the Prime Minister of the country at that time. And Andy Tiwari was the Foreign Minister of the country at that time. So he shot thousands of Indians. Because Rabooka hated Indians. So on May 14, RNW's Chief of Staff was A.K. Verma Sir. So an operation was launched, Operation Fiji.

Operation Fiji was there, but three people come in Fiji. Maybe Mohan Narayan Sir, Sanjeev Sehgal, Anupam Malik. Anupam Malik was leading this case. Now who is Anupam Malik in the world? This Anupam Malik was leading this case. Now who is Anupam Malik in the world? This Anupam Malik does not exist. But there was a name, his code was Anupam Malik.

He succeeded the entire Fiji operation. Means he led. And let me tell you, you might think that operation is one day. May be you know that on 14th May 1987, the government fell.

After 4 or 5 days, the operation was launched. And in operation was launched after 4 or 5 days and in 1999, this operation was successful when Mahindra Pal Chaudhary was made the Indian Prime Minister of Fiji how long does an operation take? I will tell you, Rabuka government got to know about this operation so at that time, their command center was in Sydney

so Rabuka government gave information to ASIS, Australian Secret government that an operation is going on on Fiji from your land. So ASIS agents had a multi-background. They had a single target that Anupam Malik, Mohan Narayan and Sanjeev Sehgal should be eliminated by going to Sydney. When they found out in Indian embassy, they found out everywhere. Actually, I told you that there is no such person. Suppose for example, I am a lucky beast. If I have come to Delhi as a lucky beast, then the lucky beast has come to Delhi.

It is possible that the lucky beast is Rohit Ahuja, Vinay Pal. Now you will say, Vinay Pal, who is Vinay Pal? So your real name is Lucky Beast or you are just telling me? So this is the...

No, give me the answer.

Sir, you see, people know Lucky Beast by this name. There is no such name in Lucky Beast. There is no name in the documents.

There is no?

There is no name Lucky Beast in the documents. Your name is not Lucky Beast? No, the name is name Lucky Beast? No, it's not Lucky Beast. Everyone knows that he is not Lucky Beast. Wait a minute.

But your document is different.

Yes, it's different.

So, when we are talking here, have you kept your wallet inside? No, I have my wallet. Please go, I am holding him.

The name is changed.

So, the snipers, during their recruitment, they are identified

that there is a potential that they can become a sniper. Yes, absolutely. You will get to know about firing. For example, people go to the army. You must have seen India's services team. India's services team brings many medals to the country. Now, kids don't go to the army to become a boxer or to become an athlete. So, they choose people from the training. This boy runs well. Do one thing, make him an athlete. When we do running in the early morning, we see our PTI. This boy's running is good.

Continue to watch him. Make him run. Put him for the athlete. Make him play for the company. Make him play for the battalion. After the battalion, make him play for our brigade.

After the brigade, he good firer is a good firer. He should work in the firing competition first. He will do the firing for the company. After the company, he will do the same thing for the battalion, for the brigade, he will fight for our team. Then he will be out, sir. Let's talk about Durandar. It is said that he is dependent on Captain Mohit Sharma's life.

Then later in this controversy, you also got a post. So is it based on his life? Did you feel it? No, no, it's not based on life. Or inspired by? No, no, we can't inspire. Major Mohit Sharma, I think, sorry, Major Mohit Sharma, Major Mohit Sharma, Sir, Ashok Chakrasena medal. So, I think he passed out in 1999 from IIMA. After that, I think he went the exact date of 2001, they went to the first paris-afghanistan, a military background, an army background. After that, Harkatul Jihad, which was going on at that time, or the terrorism group in

J&K, also known as the Iktikar Bhatt, they also joined a terrorist organization, but in J&K, not in the LOC, not in Pakistan, not beyond LOC So they killed their commander, they were with the terrorists But where? In India's territory, in India It's a covert operation And in 2009, he was martyred in an operation in Kupara If you take Dhunendar, ifat karu Rahman Dukat ki.

To Rahman Dukat 2009 ke andar, wahan ki CID special task force ne, fake encounter mein usko maara. 2009 mein. To jo Chaudhary Aslam dikhaya hai, usne hi maara? But it is not like that. The main thing is that he was killed by a CID. So, it means that he is not with Major Mohith Sharma. The second thing is that we come to Muhammad Kashmir Ilyasi. When was this boy born? Not born, I mean, when did he come in the name?

When the war of USSR was going on. A Mujahideen was prepared from there. The war of USSR, Operation Cyclone, which was launched by America to throw the Red Army behind. Who was actually working in the ground? ISI. Operation Cyclone was launched by CIA, but CIA did not come to the ground. Who brought ISI to the ground? ISI.

ISI made Mujahideen for the first time in the world. For whom? For the Red Army, so that the USSR could be thrown back. So who was one of them? Kashmir Ilyasi, Mohammad Kashmir Ilyasi. But what happened gradually, he moved away from Harqatul Jihad and made his 303 Brigade. 303 Brigade was his name because there were 303 fighters in that brigade. So he made it and gradually he did not even follow Jais's orders.

But still ISI protected him. And as soon as he joined Al-Qaeda, Al-Qaeda is America's biggest enemy. Because Al-Qaeda was being tracked by CIA since 1990. So America wanted to take him. But who always saved him from America?

ISI saved him. But when ISI, he also got attacked in GHQ. He also got attacked in Pakistan's GHQ And his next target was ISI's Headquarters in Islamabad That I will do that. Who was doing this?

It is not disclosed. But now ISI thought That this is our own A massacre has happened against us. Then he gave this information to the CIA. And the CIA in 2011, I think it was on 3rd June

He was killed in a drone attack So who killed him? CIA killed him Now let's come to Aslam Chaudhry When the Taliban started the operation against Pakistan TPT was established in 2007

Same Inspire From the Taliban of Afghanistan When its operations were going on against the Taliban, in 2014, in an IED blast, he was killed. There is no connection anywhere. Because there is no connection.

It's the Major Mohit Sharma sir, different operation, there is no connection. That's why I had put a reel, with these facts. It's not that you have a personality from a movie, that you are not getting facts, so you have to give correct information to people.

Correct. Okay. So what is the first criteria for joining the secret service? How is it judged that he will be taken in the secret service?

Security clearance, sir. First of all. Okay. That your security clearance should be there. What is the benchmark for that? Even today, if I tell you something, you are here, Mr. Rohanak, I think, my seniors think that Rohanak is fine, he can work for us. You are a citizen of this country, sir.

Now your security, your clearance, until the time the check is not done, Now your security will be checked, sir. Government will check your security completely. Agency will check your security. Agency will check your security. When it is written on your file, security check. First of all,

And what all things are checked in it?

Everything sir. Everything. Means, you are being given the responsibility of this country. Now, this is not a personal matter. If you face personal loss, it is okay, sir. Thousands of people go for this country, sir.

Personal harm will be okay, but the country should not be harmed. Because a big chain is attached to you. You may know 10 more people, who have a very big responsibility of the country, who are also working for this country. Tomorrow, you yourself get sold.

You get sold personally. But because of you, 9 more people in our country will be harmed. With those 9 people, the big operations of this country will be in trouble. Security clearance is very important. And it is not necessary that the forces or the army will be in the secret service. No, no, sir, these people are mistaken.

Because many people say that you should make it clear to other people. What is happening nowadays, sir? It has been going on for 3-4 years. That agent, agent, you can also become an agent. It's very easy to become an agent. Anyone can become an agent. It's very difficult to become a soldier. I'll tell you the difference between the two.

If the Indian government has a rule that to become a soldier, there will be a child from Uttarakhand, his height will be 170. These are the criteria. If the height of a boy born in Uttarakhand is less, then we will take him in 165. But if your height is 160,

then no power in the world can make you enter. Because there is a law for the country to become a soldier. But if your height is 4 feet, and I think you are brilliant, your IQ is above 140, you can become an agent.

This is more clear to people. Perfect. And how frequently, obviously you can't tell officially, but how frequently the government or agencies keep checking how many agents to make, what to do, is there any benchmark for this, are there any numbers? Or is it necessary to make it in every sector? Sir, what I have told you in today's time, I will tell you indirectly, for example,

In simple language, there are many channels in Pakistan or in India, Which talk against India. You can do anything, they will speak against it. Suppose, today, if a law has come in our country, a bill has been passed, now their job is to find the shortcomings in it.

Telling those shortcomings. That this should not have happened.

You are talking about media channels.

No, I am not talking about any media. There is a boy who is telling this through his video. He is telling this through his video. He is telling this through a video, for example. He got a lot of views. What did he do? He said that the bill passed by the present government,

this should not be this, this should not be this, this should not be this. He got 2-4 million views. The guy is happy. First thing, as soon as he was happy, a man like me called. What are you saying?

Your video is very good. I said, thank you, sir. So make such content. Do one thing, if you need help from anyone. How can I help you from my side? You will say for the first time, sir.

Listen to the things. You put the second video. I said, do one thing. You make videos from mobile. I gave him a camera worth 10 lakhs. Your videos are getting popular. And I want this information to reach the people of the country. He got a camera worth 10 lakhs. Okay.

He said that my videos are so good. This camera is from the fund of West. I am a man from the West. Now I have found that man whom people are listening to, who is talking anti-India.

He is also an agent. He himself doesn't know that he has become an agent. He didn't know in his life that he has become an agent. Are you getting me? And he has a video. One thing, you have a family trip. With a family trip, you travel UK, US. Four days, five star hotel.

In a great way, sir. And he will go there with four people. Four agents must have been sitting there from the beginning. If you go to Pakistan, you will see four agents there. They will tell their organization that our country is so good. They will show good things. You must have seen in movies, sir. They always show good things.

If the British come and show movies, they show poverty. So this is the way, sir. You will not know when you have become an agent. There is a lot of discussion about unknown gunman. That a known killer came, an attacker came, sorry, a known attacker came and he killed this person in Pakistan. And then it is found that the person who was killed in Pakistan, he was also involved with IC-814. Jaurumistry etc. The unknown gunman is the same person who has become an agent in India.

Or he is an Indian person and has become an agent there.

What is the clarity on this?

Two things. I told you in the starting that two agents go from India. Look sir, the one who goes officially, he will not be able to work in the field. How officially? I am not telling you a new thing. Many people will say that you have given out information. These kids know. Okay.

Even if I give you information, you will not be able to do anything.

Okay.

So, everyone in the world knows that all the embassies in the world, what do they have in every embassy? There are people from the agency.

Correct.

This is not a big deal. Everyone knows this. Why? Because no diplomat's stuff is checked. You can't check any of the documents of a diplomat. Now, let me tell you that suppose we find out that there is an embassy of a country in our country and there are weapons lying in that embassy. We can't do anything, right? Because entering into an embassy is a war against that country. It's the law. So everyone knows what happens in an embassy. So if an official agent has gone, then he won't be able to work in the field.

What can he do? He can handle things there. He can manage things there. He can see the funds there. He can get new recruitment done there. Is it clear, sir?

So he won't be able to work in this field. Second, an agent goes unofficially. Now he will not go unofficially as a diplomat. There are many ways to go unofficially, so we will not discuss it. Suppose an agent goes unofficially in any country. Now if he is going unofficially, it means that he definitely has a military background. He will not be able to go as a big person. He definitely has a military background.

Because he is going to work on the ground. And he can handle the situation and himself. The person who has a military background can handle anything in the world. Military background is the most powerful background in the world. So, the unknown gunman, I will not name any country, is he gone from that country to kill his enemies? Or it happens in many situations that those who have gone officially, what do they do?

They make such people their agents who eliminate the target there. In our country, it can be local. Suppose, sir, there are many murders in India. There are many murders. So it is not necessary that the army, military or police are doing the murders. Local goons also do it.

So it is possible that what the agencies do is that they hire local criminals, local gangsters. They give work and get their work done. These gangsters do not know who to hit. If I tell one one example, any person who comes to India and says that, what type of criminal people are they?

He says that this person commits a crime, takes money and murders, I give him 10 lakhs, he thinks I am making a shopkeeper fall. And later it is found that

there is an ISI agent in the shopkeeper's arm. Now you have gone unofficially to some foreign land to do some operation. You have no background. But when you are operating there, your identity is revealed. The cover breaks and you are caught.

Or there are chances that you will be caught. So in that case, what is the brief for a sniper or an agent? Because if he is tortured, he may reveal it.

Sir, an uno a person has gone. Suppose if I am not caught first, then we have to get out of here. We have many people, how will we get out?

You get the message.

We get the message. For example, if I have come here, then to enter this house, I should know the existing of this house. Because I should know that there are three existing of this house. If the local administration is involved in all three existing, then from where will I get out? For example, if I get out, if I could get out, the first thing is that if I don't get out, then what does the government of that country do?

In 99% cases, it doesn't tell, we caught it. 99% of the cases, we caught it. Leave the limits of torture. If 1% is revealed, you will be in jail for the rest of your life. Second thing, the condition is that our government will also deny it. Because it is UN's rule. You cannot send your spy to any country. This is unofficially. And if you don't have any way, if you also feel that there is no chance of survival, then shoot yourself.

That is the easiest way. You cannot leave, you don't have any way, then the best way is shootout. That is the best. And what is even if the country knows about it, Nothing happens, you are just withdrawn. That country cannot arrest you.

In India's case, there are many citizens who are in Pakistan's jail. Pakistan calls them spies. Their families are struggling here. A legal or geopolitical channel is being opened to bring them back. So in that case, what do you think, how is this handled? Were they really there or not?

When will it be clear? The country never accepts. Because there is a scene in Baby film, where Danny sir goes and tells the foreign minister that Akshay Kumar will go for this operation. But if he is caught, then we don't know him. So is this how it happens?

Yes, sir. This happens with everyone. So why will he go?

Is he going for the country?

Only for the country. Sir, what is there in the country? There are only a few people in the country from whom the country runs. Today I will tell you a small example. I went to a mall 10 minutes before you came here, I went to a mall. What did I see at the mall?

Today there was an opening at the mall. The opening of the iPhone was going on DLF. Look at their game sir. They have called the media. They have gathered a crowd of people. They are making videos.

Do you know what they will show the world? That the Indian public is public is for the iPhone. People are standing outside for 3 hours, they are taking our money out of this country. They are taking our money out of the country. This is a foreign game. So, there are very few people in the country, why am I telling you this?

There are very few people in the country who can earn 1000 crores in a month. But still, they are living in a one BHK. Even today, you go to them and see, you will not find a car. The country runs only from them.

So, no one cracks a deal with the foreign ministry. I am asking in the context of that baby film, that after my death, you have to do this to your family after me.

No, sir. The country is not like that. Does the country take care of such agents? Yes, the country takes care of them. Absolutely.

What would be the answer given to their family? That your father or your husband was an agent and he is dead. Do they get a clear answer as to what happened, how did he die?

Or their family is not told. Let me tell you an example. We were born in a country where Shaheed Bhagat Singh died at the age of 23. He knew that the freedom for which he was fighting, he would never see that freedom. This was clear to him. It's not that he didn't know. He also knew that he would die and he would to see the person for whom I am fighting. You can't see a bigger example than this.

Even today, thousands of agents and soldiers of our country are martyred at the border. Why sir? So that our future history or the future of our children is safe.

So there are such committed people.

Sir, that's why we are safe, that's why we are sitting here so comfortably. Okay, tell me one thing, sir. We are doing a podcast here. Were you scared for so long? No. Do you know why you weren't scared? Because our agents are everywhere in the world

where this country is in danger. That's why we weren't scared, sir. If they go home, then you will be scared every moment, sir. Do you ever go to the jungle, go to the real jungle and see. Try it.

I am not saying you should go to the park to roam around. You will go to the real jungle. You won't be able to sleep at night because of fear.

Right.

Which animal will come? Why? You are scared of animals. So, this terrorism is more dangerous than that animal. You don't trust faith in them. You can't sleep in the jungle all night. You know that we are safe here.

But you don't know that there are people for us. Because you haven't seen the situation.

And those agents don't even care that they don't get the credit.

They don't care. We were freed in 1947. In 1947, we had IB. In in 1968 we had our RNW, now you tell me the names of 5 spies. I don't know sir. Did they not sacrifice in this country?

But you cannot tell me the names of 5 spies in the count, in the population of 147 crore. And thousands of people are sitting in YouTube, in Twitter, Gyani sir. How? I will tell you one thing, brother. I will tell you one more thing, how to recruit ISI.

How it was blasted in Delhi. Listen to this too. People are saying how the doctor was brainwashed. It was not like that the doctor went to ISI headquarter. How did the ISI doctor reach there? Because there are a lot many people in this country Who will do something on this video What will they do on this video?

They will say, this is nonsense There is no security of India The country is not doing anything Corruption is happening in the country There is a wing of ISI There is a wing of CIA

There is a wing of MI6 To read your comments They read one comment Who says that No, this country is ruined, this should happen, he says analyze it. He starts reading 25-30 comments from that same girl from everywhere.

He is criticizing the country in 25-30 comments. You say analyze it for 6-7 months. The whole wing will start analyzing him. They will analyze everything about him, every comment, every profile. They will say that this man is a scoundrel in India. He just needs us.

Then they reach here, sir. Then they reach here and contact us. You can't imagine how a small tweet of yours can create a terrorist in this country.

It is often said that the enemies of India and those who are inside Pakistan have been deliberately kept. They could have killed us anytime if they wanted. So is it that they can kill us anytime and they haven't been killed yet?

Who can kill him? Can we kill him or who can kill him?

I mean, Indian agents are so active, active. We have unknown gunmen.

So sir, tell me one thing. These people who talk, if they would have killed him every day, whenever they wanted, then why are there blasts in India? Why is Jaisalmer getting blasted? If they would have killed him whenever they wanted, then why are there blasts in India? Why are they making people do things like Mohammad and Maulana Masood Dhar? These are good dialogues from movies. People are saying that we will kill him whenever we want. Tell them to go and watch it.

I am telling you, when he is reading Nawaz in Bhagalpur, go and watch it. Go and watch Maulana Masood Dhar in Nawaz, when Nawaz is studying, then who are the people who are entering in it, how much ISI is there, Sir, there is an army, what do you think of army? What do people think of army? The day people,

many people have not seen the army, the day they see the army's footsteps, the day the army does its flag march, and sees its footsteps, then they will know what is have killed all the terrorists. What is the clarity on Daood? Is Daood alive or not?

Only Pakistan's ISI knows this in the world. And Pakistan Army knows whether Daood is alive or not. Even after death, Daood will never be accepted. Daood has died in Pakistan. Because Pakistan has always complained that Daood is not there. So how will they say that Dawood is dead in Pakistan?

The film Lyari, which is shown in Dhurandar, Do you know about that region? So, two important things have been shown in it. That the local gangsters there, They were taken arms and ammunition And the attack of 26-11 was planned.

A link was added. The second fake currency, which was planned and planned. A link was added. The second one, the fake currency, which was being channelized and trying to destroy the Indian economy, was also there. So, what is your study on Lehri?

Sir, not only Lehri, but you can take the whole of Pakistan. In the movie, you can see a Lehri. You can see the whole of Pakistan. You can see Baloch from there, where where Baloch's army is continuously attacking. So Lehri is shown in the picture. You see that fake currency is absolutely right. If you see Lal Muhammad, Lal Muhammad was a big network of ISI,

in Nepal, people say that R&W killed him. Dilshad Beg Mirza, who was killed in 1999 by R&W. So Lehri, sir, you will go to the place in Karachi where there are people of different castes. A gangster, you may have seen Rehman Dukat in it, and many other gangsters. Rehman Dukat in a normal way, maybe at the age of 15, he used to do small things with people, like fraud. After doing fraud, a man thought that this guy is useful, so he kept him.

After keeping him, he did not do big frauds. In one fraud, he thought that there is more fraud than this. And what did Rahman Dukat do in this fraud? He lied to us. So since that day, Rahman Dukat got a little different from his people. And made his own gang. A gangster level.

Now about ISI, I don't know in the movie. If you try to show in the movie that what is the reason for weapons? That in the right fact, if we come to the real facts, you tell me, why did they take the weapon? They showed in the movie, why did they take the weapon? Why did they take the weapon from the local gangsters and the Baloch people? For example, what are you trying to explain to people in the movie?

In the movie, this is what you are trying to explain. That ISI does ISI directly? I am talking about the movie, I was not shown the group in the movie That they took from Baloch Liberation Army, they took from Taliban I don't know who they took from in the movie But it means that the group was anti-Pakistan The group from which they took the weapon was against ISI So what ISI did in the movie, took the weapon from them

What did they take from them? They took the weapon and used those weapons in India So that India puts the name on others. Now you have shown a good thing. I will show you one more advance. ISI, anyone in the world, CIA, anyone would need a weapon.

Without serial number, weapons will come. You can understand. If I want weapons from Israel, then when weapons are being made in Israel, then we will say that there will be no serial in these number of weapons. So the Israeli government will ask me that Lucky Beast, where are you taking this weapon for? First they will clear where the use of these weapons will be, when Israel will be convinced that the use of these

weapons will never be for Israel in the future or for those people who are in Israel's support. So Israel will give us weapons and there will be no serial numbers in it. So it is not like that, sir, the ISI, you tell me, the ISI has made the whole Mujahideen in the world, who threw the world's largest army, the Red Army, in the back foot. Can't that ISI get a weapon, sir? The ISI that has the support of the US, the ISI that has the support of the Britain MI6,

the ISI that has the support of MI6, can't that ISI get a weapon, sir?

Correct.

The picture is different, sir. The picture shows that, it's good. How big is the risk of a honey trap for an agent? Honey trap is a big risk in the world. We were starting, so MI6 plays a big role in this.

I will tell you this.

British agents. Sir, British MI6. If you have heard the name of Jeffrey Epstein.

Just listen.

Sir, there was a storm in the whole world. You know Jeffrey Epstein. Child trafficking was done on that island. And you will be shocked to know that Bill Clinton was also seen on that island.

Yes, Bill Clinton.

You can see the world. Prince Andrew of the royal family was also seen. Even Trump was seen. And Trump refused to break relations with Jeffrey Epstein since 2007. Do you know about Jeffrey Epstein file? Jeffrey Epstein file was reopened.

Trump was pressurized to close Jeffrey Epstein file. You will be shocked. Maybe I think in 2021 or 2019. I don't remember the exact date. Jeffrey Epstein's girlfriend is still in jail. She has been sentenced to 20 years.

So when Jeffrey Epstein was arrested, I don't remember the exact date. Just after a month and 10 days, such a powerful man in the world committed suicide in jail. But there were many coincidences in that suicide.

Who was he?

What was Jeffrey Epstein? He was an agent of two countries. He was an agent of MI6 and he was an agent of Mossad. Do you know what is the meaning of agent? Agent means to collect all the information of the world. The first job of an agent is to bring information.

For what? For the welfare of the country. So that our country can be saved. What did Jeffrey Epstein do? He used to bring information. Which country was he from? Jeffrey Epstein was an European.

I mean, he was from a very poor family.

But he was for both the countries. Can we say double agent?

Yes, you can say double agent. He used to bring information.

He used to do it for Israel too.

And mainly his work was child trafficking. The biggest in the world. He had his own island. Jeffrey Epstein was a terror in the world. He was killed in jail. He didn't commit suicide. There is a big coincidence in that suicide. All the CCTVs were shut down in jail.

Second coincidence, He didn't have a single guard with him. Third coincidence, He had 11 broken bones. He was killed in jail. Because he had the names of such great people. Think about it, George Bush, Bill Clinton, Trump,

British Royal Family, Prince Andrew's name with photographs. Everything was mentioned. What was his job? I am coming to this topic on the topic of Hanny Trap. Jeffrey Epstein's job was

to send girls to the powerful people of the world. Then blackmail them and make the world government fall. What was the job of MI6? Let me tell you one thing. A powerful man of the world is a leader. Suppose if an agency starts blackmailing him,

to what extent can it do it? So Jeffrey Epstein's job was to send all these things to the powerful people of the world. Then his things to MI6 so that MI6 can blackmail them and make them do things in the world that MI6 wants, that Britain wants. With the help of FCDO. So what is the solution of Honey Trap? How to do that? How to save it? Is there any training for this? Our seniors say, in a very simple language, if I feel that a girl is following me a lot,

calling me, I feel that so many girls are messaging me, calling me, in simple words, training is a very simple word, I should look at the mirror 2-3 times, and I should feel that I am not so good, any girl should message me once and there is something wrong.

But if the agency finds out that one of their agents is compromised or is being blackmailed because he has been honey trapped, then what would the agency do? Leave his hand?

No, no, no, it's not like that. If the agent, when I tell you, there was an IPS officer, we will not even mention his name. Littay's operation was going on against LTT. A girl from CIE first honey trapped him. After honey trapping, another girl came as an air hostess with that IPS. Then she honey trapped him again. CIE took a lot of work from him. He was an IPS officer.

So why were you so shocked by honey? You got trapped twice.

I got trapped twice, sir. And there was another person from the RNW, so he had told his own people that he had been henny trapped. But he was removed from that case. But he himself had told at the time of Rameshwar Nath Kao Sir. There was a news in between when the Prime Minister was coming from Punjab and his car had stopped on a bridge for a long time. And then there was a big riot after that. So did you see what the threat was? Did you follow the news? Yes, I saw it on a bridge. Actually, the PM's car was going and the whole caravan stopped. Actually, whenever there is a VVIP program in the country or outside the country,

all routes are declared. The route is a very far thing. All the hospitals along the route are also engaged. Suppose in this area, if there is any incident in this area, then which hospital will have should be taken to nearby. Everything is declared. Even how many people are released from jail at this time, how many people are crazy around here,

this is also declared to the agency that so many people are in this area, in the area of 10 km, 20 km, they are crazy too. So many people are out in bail, so every detail. So I saw the incident, there were a lot of talks about how can there be such a big mistake on PM security, that how can there be a jam. So was there a threat, did you see any conspiracy in it? Actually, sir, see what I told you, I also said that the report agency of the mad people who have come, the state government has it,

that those mad people should also be taken care of.

Okay.

Yes, absolutely on the road is being engaged, then it is possible that there could have been a threat. This is a big security lapse of this country. One news that also went viral and was discussed a lot was that when the Prime Minister went to China in the SCO summit, he sat in Putin's car. And then there was a big news that he came because there was a threat, so last time Putin said that you sit Putin's car. And then there was a big news that they came because there was a threat. That's why Putin asked them to sit in his car.

People are talking.

I made a video on it. I made a video on it. That in a hotel room number of Bangladesh, a dead body of a man was found. He was tied up. And that man was probably the first special force of the US. He was a major general rank.

I forgot the name of the major general rank, so it is not like that, suppose there is a threat sitting with PM, so the agency of India is very powerful, and they know how to keep the VVIP and the people of our country safe. So, no, those are rumors, but I will definitely say that the dead body found in Bangladesh, was in some operations.

And he was in CIA, means he was an active agent. As a major general rank person. And one very shocking thing, when we analyzed this, that how could it be that a major general rank person will die in a hotel and will not be found for 3 days. So when we went deeply into this, we found out that

the CIA had found out at the same time that he was eliminated in the hotel. So the C.I.A. said that if we remove the dead body now, then the whole world will look at us. That we were planning a very big operation in Bangladesh. Do one thing, make the whole world feel that we don't know anything. And when people will come to know, then we will also become normal. So for 3 days, the CIA did not remove the body on purpose. When the hotel staff found out that the body was found, then the CIA took the body and did not let it be PM.

So this was the operation, but what was the operation, we do not know.

So at this time, whether it is CIA or MI6 or Chinese agency or Mossad for that matter, which neighbor of India is the most watched?

Sir, if we see India the most, India's neighbour? India's neighbour is MI6, CIA, MSSSI Pakistan's name is heard for years, but Bangladesh and Nepal have become more active in the last 2-3 years. China is in another range. So how big is the threat between Nepal and Bangladesh? Bangladesh and Nepal can be used. The powerful enemy only plays games. I had a good conversation with my senior. When when Operation Fiji was going on, we did one thing. We paid people, but we didn't pay the big generals of the Fiji army.

We paid all the soldiers. Because they used to get the order to fire. We paid them. So they used to go and fire in the air. So we killed them. We caught the Jets.

Because the order will come from there and these people will torture down there. So the torture is actually that whether it is CIE or someone else, they will use Bangladesh. They will use Bangladesh, but they will not come in front of us. Or from the route of Nepal, what will they do in our country? They will try to send terrorism. Many times you must have read that some ISI agents were caught in Nepal or some MWS agents were caught.

So definitely the ones who are down or the ones who are now, like Bangladesh is over. So definitely our entire agency keeps an eye on Bangladesh. Because it is a disaster and it is a disaster. Those who have nothing, they say that I am drowning, so I will also drown.

A commando, a sniper, if he has gone on a mission, has gone on an operation, and he is going to shoot, but suddenly he either finds out or realizes that the boss who told me this, or my senior told me this, this is not right. So does he call to stop that work or

he has to do it, it's not right, it's the boss's order.

I'll tell you for myself. A small example. Once I told my senior that this is not right. There is a line. My senior told me and looked at me from top to bottom. And said, look, the people who use their brains are sitting in Delhi.

Your job is to do it. That was my last day. He said, those who use their brains are is in Delhi, your job is to do it. That was my last day. I said that's it. The one who will use his mind, who will use his brain, he is sitting in Delhi.

That was your last day to use your brain?

Yes, to use my brain. After that, follow the orders.

So you went for the operation and you are doing the operation.

Yes, I have to follow the orders. You don't have any other option? Or you can quit and get it done from someone else. No, no, no, sir. What are you saying? Sir, I am telling you, why are the army and the civil different? One question. If people should have questions in their minds, of every person in the world,

that if I ask people, just give me one answer, in one question, that what is the biggest difference between the army and the civil? You tell me, sir, what can be the biggest difference?

You tell me.

Many people will ask this question. You should also come with a weapon. America, Russia, they give training for weapons everywhere. Everything will happen. The only thing that separates them is discipline. The biggest difference between the army and the civilians is the difference in discipline.

For example, today in a house, there are four sons of a father in a house. He is not able to control all four. All four children are living separately. But if there are 10 lakh people in the army in front of a commander, if he says 10 lakhs be careful, then 10 lakhs will be careful. This is the difference between the army and civilians.

The army only follows orders. Does Lawrence Vishnoy have the support of the government? There is a lot of talk on this. No, no, sir. Why will the government support Lawrence Vishnoy? Why will the government support a gangster? Tell me this much, sir. No, no, I am not saying this.

No, no, people are saying this. I am asking the same question. Why will the government support him? Tell me a reason. People will say that Lawrence's people are there. We have our army, one of the biggest armies in the world. We have our Air Force, Navy, Air Force.

You said in a podcast that some people who are injured are dangerous. So maybe here...

They are inside. What will a person do inside? They are inside. Sir, we have to get work done. We can do that too. Our own agency will do it.

The killing of Sidhu Musawala, was it a pure contract killing or how do you see it? There are many things in it, although there are some things in front of you, there is a case on it.

I will tell you what some people say. Some people say that this was the internal affair of the Lawrence gang. Some other people say that, I have not heard so many songs of Sidhu Moosewala, that he was doing Khalistan, this is what people say, that he was increasing this type of movement, and indirectly some agency did it.

These are different facts of people. Look, I was not involved in that case, nor was I involved in its investigation. So I don't even know if this was done by Lawrence Vishnoy or it was done with the Khalistan Movement.

How easy is it to kill someone for an agent?

It is very easy to become a firer in the world. This line was written in Israel. It is very easy to become a firer. But it is very difficult to find your enemy in the world. It is very easy to kill, but I should get my target to kill. What is the difficulty in killing? I have to press the trigger, the man is dead.

But where will I find him to kill me? Where will he be in the world? That is the difficulty.

So a commando, a sniper who goes on a mission, someone dies at his hands, if a human life goes, does he feel guilty or does that thing give him pressure?

Or does he just see it as work and then switch off his pattern? You are a priest, what are you?

Yes, I am a priest.

Do you cut a goat?

No.

How would you feel if you cut it?

I would feel bad.

He cuts a goat every with a butcher and also lights a match. It's his job. It's his job. You go and ask a butcher, you kill a goat. He will say, it's my job. A soldier, he is doing his duty.

He doesn't even know. He knows that...

No, that's fine, but at a personal level, he doesn't hit as a soldier.

Why would he? Sir, I will tell you an incident. In Manipur, you must have heard what happened 2 years ago. Our friends caught a man. Do you know what he did to the man? He kidnapped 5 people. And among those 5 people, there was a 3 month old child.

How much was he? 3 month old child. Among 5. Do you know what he did to that 3 month old child? First of all, he shot the child in the knee. That 3 month old baby in the knee After that, he took out the eyes of the baby with a knife After that, he stabbed the baby 40-50 times

Now when that person comes in front of you What will you do? I should do the same thing with him Now think, you kidnapped people You should be shot by a terrorist But you shoot a 3 month old kid in the knee, then you take out his eyes from the knife, and then you stab him 30-40 times.

So who will feel guilty about killing such a person? There are some quick questions, viewers will like it. Which agency do you think is the most dangerous? Which security agency?

Which country? Sir, I will not say dangerous. Which agency I think is bad? It spreads terror in the world. I will tell you that. All the agencies are dangerous.

But which agency is not good for humanity? It wants to start a war in the whole world. It wants to have its own power in the whole world. Even if lakhs of people die, even if a thing like a carrot dies, it doesn't matter.

It is MI6.

How do you see Mossad as an agency?

It is doing operations for the sake of its country. But I can't say it is a danger. Danger is MI6. If you take the rating, then MI6 is number one, sir. Which is the best weapon according to you? Sir, as I told you, from 9mm pistol to... The weapon is according to the situation. If you tell me 9mm pistol, I will say I like Glock.

For the small range. If you come a little higher, I will say I like MP5. I like M16. If you come on the sniper, I will say I like 82. So it depends, sir. There are weapons according to range.

And all these weapons are available in the grey market. Anyone can buy it from anywhere. Today, if you want to buy any weapon in India, you are saying you will get it.

Sir, it depends. You will get weapons, but it is very difficult to get a sniper.

It is very difficult.

Since the country has been liberated, 5 LMGs have been caught in this country, 7.62 mm.

Correct.

But it is very difficult to find a snapper. If I am 95, 82, 94. If a weapon is moving in the country, then its tracking can be done easily that this has moved from somewhere.

Does it have a record?

No sir, it is not done by hand, which is true. If it was hand in hand, then maybe the crime in the world would have ended. Because it is not country made. Weapons are not made from Munger. Whether it is a pistol or something else, we are roaming in this country. So this is a weapon through some ordinance factory in the world. If it has come anywhere, like if you have seen the Puliya Arms drop in 1995, which is still discussed in the country. So, it is always weapon dependent on target, distance and situation.

Do you think that a common citizen, a civilian should be allowed to keep guns?

But why?

It is discussed a lot in the US.

Sir, in the world, first of all, a person has a shock. What is the beginning of the world? Shock. all, a person has a desire. Any beginning of the world is a desire. Then what happens after that? After that, the desire gradually becomes a habit. After the habit, the third thing is helplessness. So there should not be an option of helplessness.

In the beginning, you have a desire for a gun. A situation arises where you are helpless. So don't go into that situation. So you are not in his favor? No, I am not in his favor.

Do you have any weapon now?

No need, sir.

I mean, you didn't bring it here, I have seen that.

See, I have enemies too. It's not like I'm saying it. So definitely, I will have enemies, sir. If you speak to Pakistan, Ashim Munir or like Mohammed, You must have seen that during the operation Sindoor, they changed my voice and played videos. They changed my voice from AI to voice. You can open my mail and see. You will get thousands of threatening messages.

Now if I am talking about India, I am talking about terrorism, I am talking against the royal family that these people are on child trafficking. If I say that the war industry should end, I am talking against drugs. I say that when a drug comes out of Afghanistan, its price is 1 lakh rupees. As soon as that drug enters the Indian border, the price of that drug becomes 1 crore. Now I say that as soon as that drug reaches America, of it becomes 9 crores. So what is there in that drugs? 1 lakh drugs are sold in India for 99 lakh rupees profit. In America, it is sold for 9 crores. It is going on terrorism.

So they will hate me.

So this threat doesn't bother you that so many threats are being made?

What difference does it make? It is my job.

No, but you are not in the service. You don't even have a weapon, and you think what is your defense mechanism in that?

How do you think, if something happens, an attack happens, how to escape? No, no, sir, for example, the people I meet, how are they in front of me, if I feel that they understand the language of weapons, then I will definitely meet them with a weapon, sir, wherever I am in the world.

So before coming here, did you see who is, what is, how is it?

Sir, there is a saying in our world that I will live only till then and I will live only till then. I should know about every person I am meeting, who I am going to meet in the future or who is around me.

So did you take out my details?

I took out a little bit, it took time. To take get my details? Yes, I got some details. It took some time.

Did you get the details?

It takes some time, sir. As much as I needed.

Okay.

As much as I needed.

So is there any information related to me that I don't know and I should know?

No, no, nothing like that. I started watching all your videos, including the one with the aunt. I watched everything from the movies of Bhuva Wale, from Radio Hum Mirchi to all the actors. Okay, fine. The youngsters who are watching you, and they must be asking you through your social media,

that if I want to join the special forces, become a sniper, or serve the country, or become a commando, what is your first advice? What is the most fundamental requirement of that? If you have this orientation, if you think like this.

Sir, there are many messages that come. I have only one word for them. If you really want to serve the country, then leave the personality after that day. Then it's about the country. Then don't say that this happened to me. That I have a personality with you. Then don't say that this happened to me. It happened to you, it's personal.

Then I am talking about the country. You say I want to serve the country, then come to the country. Then if you really want to serve the country, then difficulties will come. It's with personality. For example, there was an incident in my life. I also say that I stayed in a room for 4 years 6x6.

I am a personality. This did not make a difference to the country. I have a personal difference, so it should make a difference. If you really want to serve the country, then put one thing in your mind that if I am serving the country from today, then forget about personality. Every benefit of yours should be for the country.

Any of your agent friend who is frustrated with this thing that the country did not give me anything, I did such a big thing for the country, he does not even know, I do not even have credit. And when he is frustrated, he cannot even share. So, obviously you will not tell the name, but has there ever been a situation like this? No sir, if there is a situation, then it will never be there.

The day someone has this in their mind, I said the day it comes in his personal heat, then he will not come.

But it is possible, it is human nature.

Sir, anger is a different thing. We get angry with our family. Does everyone get angry? We get angry with our parents, our mother. It doesn't mean that they will want bad. Listen to me, if your father scolded you today,

Even if it's not your fault, will you go and beat up the whole world? You'll get angry for a while, right? The anger of the house will end in the house. If you are beating up, then you are pushing your family into destruction.

If we look at that case at the country level.

If you are angry with your country, you have a problem in the country, no problem. You are making it aware in the whole world, then the biggest terrorist than you, I am saying, is not even Maulana Masood Azhar. Because he is sitting there and working.

You are saying this very controversially.

Sir, what are you saying? I am saying that Maulana Masood Azhar is not a bigger terrorist than you, who is not a good person for his country. You are living here, eating here. You are living in this country, eating here. This country gave you respect, everything. How can you go against it, sir? You are angry, right? No, I am not angry with them.

You are angry with the country, right? I am angry with the system, the country that is running. But you are angry with the system. Will the foreign power help you, sir? They will help you. You ask for for help, you tell them about the situation there. So stay there.

You like America, right? You stay in America. You like Britain, stay in Britain. You stay here and you are praising them. So if someone is doing it from outside and staying there, then it's okay?

But it's an Indian country, so it's okay. Sir, if someone is doing it from outside, then we don't have any problem with that. But he influences people here. Sir, what did you say a while ago? That there are unknown gunmen roaming in the world.

Oh my god.

Sir, what are you saying?

Oh my god.

Thank you very much.

I feel like we tried to do a lot of things in a very short time.

And I think a lot of questions, the viewers who are watching, will ask a lot of questions, so you will have to come back. Of course, sir. And as you said, the controversy, I tell them that whoever has a problem, this useless YouTube, come and meet me personally. Whenever, sir. Absolutely. I mean, it's good to meet personally. Tell me one thing, sir. For example, I am angry with you, I am angry with you, what will I do by giving you four abuses? What will that do? I have a problem with you, we will meet alone sometime, sir. We will get rid of all the complaints at that time.

So if you meet someone alone like this, then?

What are you talking about, sir? Whatever I meet alone, what to do, sir, we will talk about it some other time. On that note, thank you very much. You have come here for that. Thank you so much. Please share this podcast with other people. If you have any questions, please write in the comment section. Lucky Vish, thank you. Lucky Vish, thank you. Thank you. Jai Hind.