MAHFUD-AHOK BLAK-BLAKAN: KORUPSI MASIH AMBURADUL❗️

Have you ever done a DNA test? Well, that's a bit of a joke, sir. I'm sorry, but people in Madura are like that.

What the hell is that?

I want to be governor of Jakarta. Mr. Jokowi wants to be my deputy.

So you're not expected by Mr. Jokowi?

What do you do in the office? But until now, this is still a mess, corruption. Because it's happened everywhere. I think the one in power is too arrogant and arrogant, most troublesome

with the people in power

already wrong, it's a mess

we are confused this is terrible

what about the critics?

critics are okay critics are also considered enemies of the government it's hard I'll disclaimer first If the government catch me wrongly I can't be accused

I'll be prosecuted Thank you for visiting my place You're welcome It's a good place It's a nice place.

It's good. Come here. This is the friend's room.

So, the friend should be here.

Thank you, Mr. Ahok. Thank you for coming.

We should be in the middle.

In the middle of the restaurant, the one who pays is the one who pays.

Hahaha. Yes.

Alright. Let's start. Tomir Shah, we meet again. I'm a guest who... every time we have a meeting in the Sahabat Room, there's always someone who asks, please invite Mr. Ahok.

That's right.

We have...

dozens of episodes in the Sahabat Room. There's always someone who asks for Mr. Ahok. But Mr. Ahok is the most frequent guest. And now I am full of requests from netizens for me to talk to Mr. Ahok as a friend, as a friend in many fields of struggle

in politics, government and other activities Pak Hock, thank you, thank you this is a forum that many people are waiting for but we will be accompanied by

Thank you, Rizal Thank you, Pak Hock, thank you, Pak Sudir Dhatuk I want to say tell the audience that your request since the beginning of this episode is to invite Pak Hau, invite Pak Hau to be with Pak Hau, and finally we'll meet.

Pak Hau is here, I know why you asked. Because you want in this forum to meet two people who are both the hitmen in the government. Both are brave, both are clean people and brave And because of that, Mr. Alfon said, Mr. Izan, it's time for this fasting month, we invite Mr. Alfon Okay, then

What does Mr. Alfon do now? What is your activity? Besides being a witness in the court

I am a witness in the court

I am now a model for advertising

Oh yeah?

Yes

Wait a minute

What is the advertising model? Clothes advertising, product advertising

Oh, fashion, sir what kind of advertisement? clothes advertisement, product advertisement oh fashion?

you are a fashion star

they said if you want to find a model who is 60 years old who still wear the clothes, it's okay hahahaha it's funny this is a deal there are some products

they said according to them if I wear it people don't have to write Ahok. People already know who it is. So I also have some products, they are sure that if I sell it, it must be authentic. Because now there are many fake products, drugs, drugs, etc.

It's impossible to be fake.

If I don't make it fake a fake. I don't think it's a fake. The second reason is that we are the speakers. I also joined the ISKANDAR. Every two months, I bring people to China for coaching. So, I had to accept it. I had to pay for it.

I learned. I asked them. I didn't want to repeat the same thing If I repeat the same thing, I'm a tool guide I'm not a tool guide, but I said But coaching, I've seen, we learn together

We are all students, all teachers We are all entrepreneurs, right? Learn together Then we discuss, breakfast, lunch, dinner, or bus

By the way, the star of the ad is the Indonesian guy, right?

the one who has your son or someone else? oh, no, this is someone else the one I'm wearing is a Ferdi shirt

oh, Ferdi

I'm the star of his ad, sir later we'll give Mr. Mahfud one gift thank you I'm not an official, I don't have to give gratification

you can do it now

you were sensitive before, now you can do it

you don't have to give gratification

thank you

that's our pleasure that's our pleasure now

it's been a long time since Mr. Mahfud met Mr. Owe when was the last time?

for the press conference

the last time was in Teg last time was in Teku Umar When was it? Last week? We met at Teku Umar Oh, at Teku Umar We had a discussion

There was a meeting A legal discussion

If I'm not mistaken Yesterday was the birthday of Mas Guntur Yes, yes

It's a common thing to meet Yes, yes I met him on his birthday yes yes yes

I met him often

since the time of Gus Dur since the time of Gus Dur I am Gus Dur's favorite Gus Dur's Saint Gus Dur's Saint is Christian

yes yes

Gus Dur was a member of the team to move forward in the bubble

yes he supported Gus Dur when the rejection was still a bit sharp I was a student in Jalotin to be a governor of Babel Yes, you were a supporter of Gustur Yes, I was a supporter

When the rejection was still a bit sharp It was scary back then

Yes, scary

Because of Gustur, I was able to speak the letters I was able to say in 3 languages I was in school for 2 years

2 years

Okay, Pao, this is the warm up

Pao, we have a few topics so that we can be a little comprehensive and focus but this is a friendly space so you're free to talk about values, about friendship, whatever you want

whatever we talk about we can talk about the topic of toll or the long term values and inspiration topic for our audience. We have four cards here.

I will show them to you without voting. I will show them to you because this will be a kind of subtopic of our discussion. So, number one is the challenge of the Corruption Triangle. The challenge of the Corruption Triangle.

The second is about what is this courage and diversity, then there is black and white politics, then tolerance and diversity. So there are four subtopics that we can talk about for an hour, subtopic because people know that if the case is not open and all kinds of Mr. Ahok and Mr. Mahfud, that's also what causes us to feel that Mr. Mahfud and Mr. Ahok's similarity especially dare to challenge corruption and there are some others we discuss Mr. Ahok was told first, what happened in court yesterday so that Mr. Ahok became a witness but still can debate with them

debate with the lawyer and all kinds and all that how is the story?

yes, I am a witness I am a witness to the truth for example when I was the first witness for the Patran Yaga case there, people thought

maybe I have to weigh the left of CS I am a witness I have to weigh up the KRI and KS. I was a witness for the Yaksa, so I had to weigh up them. So I also had to be on the same page with the Yaksa. For me, there was something that was a bit... You asked, right?

They accused me of being an opossum. In the trial, there was no opossum. That's what the judge asked. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah

Yeah Yeah I was told that I was an ethnic minority, and that I was not supposed to support them. I was brought a vow, and I said it. But I think the accusation was different from the one in the government. Even though I was sentenced to nine years. I couldn't argue with that. But if you ask me to defend, I will tell you the fact that I think it's not appropriate. That's what happened yesterday. This is a different case. This is a case of LNG.

I am a witness of KPK. I have to convey it too. Now, this is the opposite. If we want to talk, I say this. We are difficult. If we want to use religion or ethnicity, it's difficult. I just sat down. I don't know. I also don't know what was expected. The religion is the same as mine.

I don't know.

I honestly don't know.

The director of the gas station? Yes, I don't know. Everyone sat next to me. I don't know. They were my family. They asked me to pray first. We Christians have to pray. I said I had a prayer at home.

I didn't know.

But I wanted to pray. I said that. They slapped me. I'm not defending the KPK. You buy things, there's no guarantee that people will buy it. And now you feel like you're getting a profit.

Are you a bet? When you first projected, there was no COVID. There was no attack on Ukraine. I didn't talk about that. I talked about it. I just entered the port. It was reported that the port would lose 1 billion dollars

Yes, I was a commodity, of course, I would find out what the cause of the loss was, when I found out, the director opened it, there was an old contract that would be forced to take or pay this year Anyway, I didn't take anything, I had to pay, I didn't take it, I in Bogota and I'd be a barangpun horse by a D ampere pun got a module to shop. Ha mm-hmm Susato young Yeah, yeah, I give my long time. Yeah, I don't do panggil committed audit Functioning and to my commode can be a mongol was even better than Sarah. They're gonna commit the audit Rafa In the cassis me give my knock out the auditor in a big pickup is a much a month and you do okay katana I asked him, how is this case? Is there an auditor, BPKP, etc.? He said, okay, we will form an internal audit function to check first.

The internal audit function is the internal one, the old one. I thought this case has been going on for years, since 2013. If there is no finding, I want to say, maybe the auditors from BPKP and BPKP investigators are not found. Because there are no cases yet. I asked the BPKP, are there any outsiders who want to go in?

I know, at least, the president's friend. There's a saying, it's easier to say, you know. I want to go in. I'm a man now. I'm a man.

I'm a man. I'm a man. I'm a man.

I'm a legacy. Finally, he accepted. He accepted and started to do it. Unfortunately, he got COVID-19. He got COVID-19, and a few months later, we formed a team to optimize the cost, and we had to submit the audit results to the BPKP.

That all the contracts were not in accordance with the rules. Then I was chased by the teacher. You were seen arguing with the teacher He used this language Do you know, I defend this, this is not wrong I've been in jail for 8 months

Why did you report it as a problem? I was like this Solola If there is no Ahok, there is no problem

I mean

I mean I mean, everything is missing I said, if you don't have a problem, why are you being suspected? If you don't accept it, you're being suspected. I said, the audit can't accept it.

You just demand the audit.

I don't mean to blame anyone. I don't know you. I don't know you. I don't know you. I went in and stopped. I don't mean to blame anyone, I don't know you. I don't know you, I said.

I don't know you, sir. I came in and it was already closed. I don't know you. I just want to save you. Why is there a contract that can spend 20 million dollars and no one wants to buy it, and you keep buying it?

Oh, I see.

Because there was no guarantee of buyers at that time.

Yes, it's weird. I can't. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,ian 24-year-old? Because of your ethics, you're a merchant!

So I said, this is weird.

I thought it was weird, why there's no discovery? Now, why when I'm here, there's a discovery? Now the teacher is blaming me, as if I'm the bad one, who's been imprisoning people.

It's because of you, Mr. Ho, that there's a...

That's why I'm so happy! It's not me who said that there's fraud, there's a loss.

It's the result of the audit.

Mr. Mahfud, seeing a friend like you, you still keep fighting with... what is it... to make the government clean and all that.

What do you think, Mr. Mahfud?

It's good. I see the consistency. It's still the same. Whether it's outside or inside, the government, or in any position, or like now, it's still the same. I choose the same position. Because you can't fight.

That's why you can still be close.

Yes. If we look at it, the friendship between Pak Mahfud and Pak O is not a typical friendship that we often meet But it is equated with the idea and value of the two of you

You are in the DPR, different period with the DPR You are in the government, different period with the government

But you are met by the same ideas and ideas

I don't know when Pak Ahok will remember meeting me

It can be different

I don't know when the PKB became the minister. I only know this person. He's a great person, very smart. But this is... If we talk about law, it's sacred. And everyone talks about data. I can see him like that.

Yes, yes. Then, he's a bit arrogant, sir. Madura people, Mr. Suwadam. What's the point?

The same as Mr Pak Maho.

He speaks so harshly. He's not even 12 years older than Pak Maho. So, at that time, the Ministry of Finance, Dirjen Paja, wanted to show that Paja had to be obedient,

be paid according to the rules, and then be given an example. This is the person who pays Paja. Oh, to be paid. Oh, in the purpose of the public. Yes, in the discussion. The tax authority campaigned

that the tax should be paid on time. There is a slogan. There is a slogan of great people. Wise people pay taxes. Then we were considered as example of wise people who pay taxes. That's when we met.

But we both knew what he was like. He was close to Gus Dur, I was close to Gus Dur. Then, in public speeches, we often appeared. We were in the same with us. We laugh at corruption because it's a crime. A terrible crime. I think it's a terrible crime against humanity. Imagine if people are still looking for food on the side of the road

by selling newspapers. Now people don't read the newspaper anymore. Yesterday I saw, it was raining, there were men selling newspapers while crying. I don't have money, I don't have money, please buy it. There were still people like that.

Meanwhile, the corruption was in the trillions.

And they felt normal.

That made you angry, right?

I was touched. And that's part of, or dozens of millions, people in Indonesia still experience those things. If not, if we count the previous 100 million, it's 24 million. The poor people are extreme like that,

in 2025. That's according to our calculations, where everyone is considered not poor if they have a income of Rp19,500 per day. With that amount, we are poor people, 24.7 million. But if you use the world bank, the poor people in our country are 172 million. Because the size there is said to be not poor, the income is 119 rupiahs, about 6.85 USD. US dollars. So, we were really angry. The country belongs to everyone. Why are there still poor people like that? And why did there be collusion, giving and accepting each other between the law enforcement and the corruptors? So, there are those who are free and easy,

but others are just treated like that, some being rich so that cases that don't exist become real, and so on. That's probably the similarity with Mr. Ahok.

He's very sensitive when he sees things like that.

What is it that pushes you to always shout about corruption?

I always believe what Mr. Mahfud said, the root of all problems in the world is corruption. That can't smell my salad the boobie in a Catara corruption to my to say but when it'll ya car. Yeah, you go get a bunch a little cut I do my You know get a more bearish in Bangsa in Eastwood. I was the first one got rid of corruption So I can run the garden module or Singapore more China more than a Scandinavia New Zealand. All of them are doing that. If we think logically, for example,

Singapore is a small country. New Zealand is a city on the edge. But there are more people there. So why do people invest so much in money? Because the government is very clean. And they serve. foreign We put the money in the same place We sell the same thing, right?

But we sell it in a shop If you don't pay for the consignment They will close the shop But if we are honest, we sell everything We sell everything

Now, if we talk about what Mr. Mahfud and Mr. Ahu feel You two have been in the government for quite a long time Mr. Ahfud think? You've been in government for a long time. Mr. Ahok, when you became a governor, what did you see? The practice of misuse and corruption?

I started in government in the second-class DPR.

In Belitung?

In Belitung. So I started to see where the practice was. So when the budget was arranged, the government already played I was surprised. I was surprised. I was surprised. I was surprised. I was surprised. I was surprised.

I was surprised. I was surprised. I was surprised. All the officials were the same. They wanted to come in and give money. Then they opened it. I was surprised too. He was the one who prepared everything, until it could be arranged. So, in the government, there was, there was, for example, when the employment reception was made, whether you needed an engineer, what do you need?

And they already have that position.

Yes, yes, yes.

The reality is, why every time the goods are processed, the one who organized it is private. It's weird.

It means there is a competition, the person must be inside.

Yes, it means there is a competition. Then because he organized it, he helped give data, he was a coca leaf, right? So, because he was the one who organized it, he helped to give the data, he was the one who was trying to win. He knew it first, the tenors were difficult, right? So, at that time, I didn't have LKPP yet. I cut it. I cut it,

I cut the budget, I called the entrepreneurs. That was my experience. Of course, the entrepreneurs didn't like it, but we are in power. In the old days, my father said, poor people are hard to beat, they can't win. Rich people, don't challenge the government, you'll be bankrupt.

So, I told my father, I don't want to make up for it, you guys are 20% lucky, I'll close my eyes. It's normal, 20%. You don't have to give it to me. Then, there's the oligarchy. percent. I have a BUMD, right? If you don't want to do all of this, I'll take care of all of it.

With my BUMD. And my BUMD will definitely work. Then I saw his face, I said, you can try. I can read your mind. So, the district of Belitung Timur speaks to you.

I can read your mind. You must be thinking, where is the employee from? I'll tell you, I pay you 2-3 times the salary. It's impossible, you don't have a project, you still follow me. Now you just have to choose, do you want to work on all the good roads, I don't want to repeat the hotmix, or I take Ali and I work on it, you bankrupt everything.

I'll buy all your assets, I'll take Ali from the bank, I'll take it all.

I'm afraid, I'm scared, sir.

So don't count it, it's smooth. All the results are smooth. This is serious, so actually we become the rulers, if you want, it's the best. But the best is not to be the DPR, sir. It's hard. The best is to be the DPR. It's going to be difficult. The best thing is to be an executive. You become a governor, a governor.

An executive who is right, who is clean, who thinks for the people.

That's why I said, our hope is to live in the presidency. If there is a constitution, if he wants to do all of this, he can do it. Not to mention mining. I'm not saying this is a bad thing, but it's a bad thing. I'm not talking about mining, this is corruption. Corruption is all kinds of things. I'm in there, I'm being understood.

Because they come, for example, the oil refineries. The oil refineries, the boss. Usually there's a local partner. The boss is from Malaysia, he comes from there. They offer this. If you give us permission, don't worry, Mr. Mayor

We'll prepare all the NCVs The PT Mr. Mayor, you'll be planted 10% So if I give you permission for 30,000 hectares I have 3,000 hectares of palm trees And this is what he's dealing with

Later, if it's harvested, the result maybe 1 million per hectare 3 billion per month Every month we Now the code of an end is a has seen a monkey's a to do that. I thought yeah, I think I'm a little more than that Yeah, I'm gonna get that. Yeah, it'll be the result of Roy. I believe me I'm gonna get it on the new home or up see charity to them I'm gonna say a bit and rocket a little not not put in a DC. What do you do? I'm a saying and by the way to prevent a person and by

Plasma to buy lot of lies. The essence of plasma is a lot of lies. Many entrepreneurs use the term Nomini. I was the chairman at the time. I have a really good way. We understand our country, we have cooperation. I imagine that every village that has a sunflower, plasma is owned by the village.

The exact cooperation of the village. So it's not red and white, I'm already the chairman. The village corporation. So it's not Merah Putih. I'm a bit different.

So it's different.

And it hasn't been named Merah Putih yet.

I mean, this village corporation, every villager in the village is an automatic member. So that they get a dividend every year.

So how do they work? This is plasma, just using the name. I'm So it will be rich, just like Finland. Including wood. The wood is the same. If people want to get wood permit in this village, please. Later we will hear that, for example, the result of wood cultivation, or from palm oil cultivation, I don't want to share the profit, I said. If you share the profit, you can lie to me.

You can lie, sir. Just like we have a shop, right?

Yes, yes.

I said that the villagers are smarter. Yeah, yeah Sharing Misalnya and upon and so it did a sasaya young bag and sayag it a bag and they say to sputon Batiman can saw to somebody do a ton of the limited young camu Visa, Billy Yang kamu bisa beli dari orang desa atau orang desa ini boleh jual sendiri

Sehingga tujuannya apa? Nanti desa-desa udah punya barang seperti ini Kalo dia ditekan harga Kita bisa patungan dengan BUMD atau dengan pinjem bank Bikin pabrik kerapa sawitnya Karena tiap desa sudah punya Ada barang, bukan bagi duit lho

Saya gak mau bagi duit Nah sama juga kayak tambang, kayak kayu I have a village, I have a lot of things, I don't want to give money It's the same with mining, if you want to cut wood, there are rules, the villagers must follow, they don't want to steal Because they know, if they cut 5 trees, 1, 2, 3, they cut 5, if they cut 3, it will grow again The forest grows fast, and Indonesia is lucky, Finland can do it for 70-90 years do 100,000 pieces of this lock 10% is owned by the village If he wants to sell it to you You have to buy it if he can't sell it

Or he sells it to someone else who uses it for the village So by looking for the villagers, he must be watching Because all the villagers know this Become a common owner Mr. Ahu is talking about practice in the village National is the same I mean, talking about practice that has about the practice in the village Well, it's the same nationality

I mean, he's talking about the practice that has been found in the regency This means that he's describing how big the practice of corruption is What do you think, Mr. Afud?

Well, I said that in Indonesia, all lines of corruption are extraordinary That's why I have one interesting thing Mr. Ahok said that if we are executed, I think that's one of the interesting things. I think that if we are executed, especially if we become president, anything can be done in this country. The president has a great power.

But until now, there is still a struggle to eradicate corruption. Because it has happened everywhere. For example, because there is no state-owned company, like what Mr. Ahok said earlier, actually in the legislative, it's also extraordinary. Because in the legislative,

the budget is not there yet, but the corruption is already there. For example, if you want to arrange the PBN, I am a member of the DPR, you are a regent, you are a governor or whoever, you can order me to pay the budget as a member of the DPR. Order you to pay the budget? Yes, please install this. I want to build this bridge or walk from here to here. What is the cost? Okay, the cost is Rp100 billion, for example. Later,

this has been a practice for a long time. The members of the DPR said, okay, I will put it in. In the RAPBN, I haven't put the money in yet. But you pay 7% first,

so it's Rp100 billion. Pay it. The money is not there, the budget is not there, the corruption is not there yet, the budget is not there yet, the corruption is already there. When the budget is ready, the show of the record, the corruption model is different.

The same is the case with the enforcement of law. Even in the legal world, there is a term called the green system within the mafia. If for example, you have a case, before entering the court, it has already been arranged. The police are told to do this, this article will be used later, this is the prosecutor. The jurisdiction is again regulated. And the rest is the city majority. Later, the judge will also talk like that.

Well, for that reason, I feel very concerned. In the it's a mistake. I think it's a mistake. I think it's a mistake. I think it's a mistake. I think it's a mistake. I think it's a mistake.

I think it's a mistake.

I think it for a salary. If I go to the market, unless he asks me to, I'll accept the money. I'll close the discussion on mining and engineering. I have the same principle. Why are our people poor in the village? The company has a big mine, luxurious, has an airport, we're in need. I said, the way of the villagers, the easiest way.

Not asking for a share. Ask the people of Warung Madura. They'll understand. They're from Warung Madura.

This is how people in the village do it.

I have land. The property is the same. You have a top restaurant. I have land. I don't want to rent it. You open a restaurant in my land.

Later, from the income, 10% will be mine. It's normal. Why the mining law is not going to be changed? Like the gas law. The lifting is 15% owned by the country. The Minister of State-Owned Enterprises is going to pay for it. I said,

if you want to mine in my village, just do it. Mine gold. You get 100 tons. If it's 10%, then 10 tons is owned by the government. The question is, will the businessmen want to take 10-20%?

The government said no. Who said that? What happened was, the name of the family's official has all the permits, the shares. In the end, they never want to give it to the country. How can gas and oil be lifted? 50% is owned by the country. I said, all debts are paid.

Imagine. If I don't want to take a share, for example, we are in the middle of a flipboard, extended until it's finished. If I want to extend it until it's finished, I'll give it. But every time you raise a mineral,

20% of the country has me. Outside of other royalties. If he says he doesn't says no, I'll tender it Who wants it? If everyone says no That's when you call our BUMN

Hey BUMN, prove it You're still lucky to give 20% Our BUMN is no different from the private sector How do you make money? We're poor Try this I guarantee you, the debt is over I'm not sure how to make money. I'm not sure how to make money. I'm poor.

I guarantee that once the debt is settled, everyone will... I'm sorry, Mr. President. I dare to suggest this. You can tell everyone. You can report to us.

If a family is under the UMP, in your area, just report it. We'll pay the electricity bill. We'll use a digital voucher. I'm Solar, gas, no more Health, everyone can be guaranteed Electricity, 1300 watts, it's a subsidy, even if you don't have to pay Where is there a middle class person who can handle 1300 watts, sir? One AC can fall down, down, down, down, down, down, down

Can be ticked I want to continue, you can understand that the formula is actually in the executive of the president And we all know that, even the leaders of the country, I know the formula. But the question is, why doesn't it work? Why does corruption keep coming up and growing? I don't know either. Why is it like this, if it's not overcome? If in public speculation, this is because there is a mutual agreement. The theory is mutual agreement. The journey of someone's political career of someone is sometimes related to that.

If you can be this, but you have to be this, and so on. Then, the strong pedagogues sometimes can't do anything. There can't be a real legal system. Because the network is already crazy. That's why the main key is the president. If the president wants to do anything, he can. This was very creative in a simple way.

The legal system is the same. I want this. So there's no need for recall and so on. Mr. H So, there's no need to be so formal.

Pak Hock, what's your answer?

I think I'm wrong. I think the powerful ones are too arrogant and arrogant. They think what the people want. You make everyone stupid and poor. The more stupid, the poorer, the more powerful more powerful you are. Where did you get that from? Because the politicians are stupid and diet.

They are like a group. If I were to make a good school, feed the people, or people have laptops that can communicate anywhere.

I was lied to. I was told by Mr. Kanjar, the internet, every school has a satellite. I can communicate with them anywhere. They're lying. That's why I campaigned with Mr. Kanjar. Internet, right? Every school has a satellite. They're smart. They surveyed.

People like food.

That's a bit of a lie.

We haven't reached the level of consciousness. The important thing is, imagine, you're a Krombok. I'm not defending Nadim, I'm book banging in here Say, I'm a banana dim. Yeah, it's okay. I'm saying I'm unfair. Yeah, yeah, in a Chromebook Sangaja, can I bang? Yeah, boy? What a talk with Karen Jane?

But I do come with a president of print up a punk. Oh, money So I'm a sad about that. I'm so none of video for no I'm so Judy and operating systems cabaly data. You can't watch porn videos. You can't gamble. And operating system, once you buy it, 30 dollars, it's already included in the laptop. 3 million, 4 million, 5 million, whatever. You don't need to update it. The processor is on top. What else? Four tests. There's a national teacher in West Java, in Bandung, Siddharthan. He has four certificates. This is a national school. Half of the school is still in repair.

Where are the kids? Because they know how to use it. Not enough? Wow, we look for help. One, two, three, four certificates. You can teach in the world.

The test is only ten dollars. We make a teacher certificate, how many billions do you want? There is no guarantee in the village. We have a Stalin in our village. All of our kids were in the village, and they were learning the same as the people in Canada or America. Or in Australia.

The teacher was the same. We had 18 people who had graduated. Why are the teachers here? The students can be deceived. Because many of our teachers didn't even graduate with a certificate. They were taught. I'm Can you not do it again? I do my camera to do yeah, I can't go to beside interview. Yeah, I have photo

my design bigger in a second Oh But I could hear yeah, I got a shot noodle and I did process

Okay I've been doing this for 52 years. But according to Mr. Ahok's theory, he's using my theory.

No, I think like this,

why don't the people want to be helped by subsidies and people's help? BI has clear data, family card, we used to spend thousands to make NIK.

We should be able to pay with NIK.

Everyone opens a bank, bank accounts. When I was in Jakarta, Hmm. I should have been able to pay my taxes with my income.

Everyone opened a bank account. When I was in Jakarta, I said, I'm sorry, but if you're not lucky, you have to have a bank account. But I was unlucky, I didn't have money to have a bank account. I opened it. I told the bank,

there's a savings account, only 50,000. In the past, to open an account, you had to have 50,000. Back then, opening an account required 50,000. Back in Jakarta, I only asked for 50,000. We opened that account, so we sent the people who didn't have money, to the account. They used that to buy meat. KJPN was there. Beef, back then, was more than 150,000.

We wanted to push it to 85,000. How? Market operations were stolen. Laws on the market, demand and supply. they only have 5,000. How? The market operation was stolen. The law of the market, the demand and supply. How? There are 900,000 children holding the Jakarta Pintar card.

That's the ATM of the DKI Bank. Can I buy beef? Only 45,000 per kilo, sir. I'm top up. One child, one month. Can't buy beef? Buy chicken. 9,000 rupiah for a chicken.

I can't buy chicken, I buy eggs. 8,000 rupiah for a chicken. 1 kg. I'm a top up seller. I immediately get the need, and the price goes down. I use BWMD, Beras, Cipinang.

I'm a rice trader. You guys rent our place, right? I'm a trader. I want to be stable. Not speculating. If I want to be stable, I'll just play with the price. I'll lead you. I'll give you rice to the farmers. That's how I became Mr. Arief's body of food.

I recruited everyone. One set. From Hero Supermarket. One set. Recruited. By Raisin Food Station, Cipinang. Jakarta immediately became the champion of TPI. Oh, yeah recruit Yeah

Jakarta Do you have a TV? Can take a control morning Yeah Oh

Yeah incubator

Yeah

Yeah Yeah It's just an incubator. Let's continue, sir. We've been discussing this for an hour. Because this is an experience in the executive.

We can talk about the government business model. That's interesting. There are many formulas that can be detailed. Now, clean, brave, and bold. This is an example of clean, brave, and bold. Mr. Mahfud, what is it that...

Before you go, Mr. Mahfud, what is it that you... Before you go, Mr. Haw... I'll do a disclaimer first. Yes. But we're talking about the government's response to the arrest.

The one who was wrong...

Guaranteeing his identity.

Guaranteeing his identity.

Mr. Mahfud is here.

If it's Mr. Mahfud, he wouldn't dare. I would dare. I would be the one who's in trouble. It's safe, right? It's safe. What makes people like you, Pak Pao, born with courage, a background,

open, take risks? What? I'll go to you later. I don't know. But maybe, the background of my family,

and then my childhood environment. foreign foreign in the villages, which then caused empathy, until I grew up. So my thought was, why is a country like this rich, why is it not managed well? Because if it is managed well, the people will prosper, they will get enough lot of things to live on. So, what Mr. Prabowo often said,

I don't want people who are 70 years old to still be pulling the cart. I don't want people to still be looking for food in the trash. Well, such understanding can be followed up in the government's system. Can it be followed up in the government's system? Yes, so that this kind of thing can be solved. The management of the country's economic resources, especially the enforcement of law, because that is the most influential.

I always say, why are we doing this economically? Ambrosia? Ambrosia, no. But it's not balanced. The generation is too far. And those who enjoy the wealth, are only a few people. Why not arrange it properly? And it can actually be done if we can actually do it together.

We should enforce the law with good intentions, because I always say that the biggest asset of a nation's progress in various fields is the law. Natural wealth is so much, only 23% of are for development, 44% is for law. No matter how rich you are, if you don't follow the law, you will be in trouble. In any country, it's the same. That's why countries like New Zealand,

the law enforcement is very strict. I've been to Taiwan, it's very strict. People are arrested on the streets, in hotels. I've been to Taiwan, and I was there. I've seen people's reactions, I've seen people walking around, I've seen people in hotels. In countries that have a good Corruption Perception Index,

the law is actually good, and the economy is good too. That's why I have an empathy for the people's lives. Because I feel, I used to be a person who was also a beggar. Yeah, and but the la embatty to adapt a different master. I got Karna. Saya Marasa blue zebra, and cut that he or I am a lot of you got into Situation Campoong, say a little lara miss can someone up eager compact on yeah

Until selling memory selling my month to dance about a night to selling brand party like to tumble and it'll We empathize with each other. That's how we grow. And that's what I've been taught. I've learned what's the use of all of this. If it wasn't for them, this country belongs to them too.

So, you were pushed by that. So, I was angry too.

Like the anger of Mr. Prabowo. You don't play around. I will chase you to wherever you go. My anger is the same. Because it grew from the environment I will chase you to wherever you go. My anger is the same. Because it grows from the environment where there are many people who are oppressed.

And I have studied law, I have studied politics, sociology, and here is the key. Our legal system is very weak and full of collusion in various sectors. I will always be happy. Because, if you want to fight, you have the power to use your power. But if you don't have the power, you have the mouth to speak, to shout, to shout for the truth. But if you can't do it anymore, just pray. That's the power. You have the mouth to speak, to shout, to shout for the truth.

But if you can't do it anymore, just pray. That's the weakness of faith, in Islam.

Before you pray. Mr. Hu, I want to continue with you. I don't know what you said with Mr. Hu, but I want to hear from you about the law enforcement. Do you agree with Mr. Hu that lawization is a very priority in this country? Yes, I agree. I agree with him. That's why I said that the key is in the president. Imagine, Jakarta Agung is the president.

Now, the KPK control, the screen, the police, even everyone wants to ride the Epsilon 1, even wants to be a judge, I I will never be angry if the government is going to make the country better. It's impossible. People will support it. So, if the president's intention is pure, he can do it well.

Intention and courage. Sometimes, it's courage. I agree. Why can't we educate our parents? We are lucky to have parents. If I was born and raised, I would have been wearing comfortable shoes.

Yeah, you wouldn't have been in the category of a poor kid.

But I'm lucky, considering that poor people need help, they would come to my father's house. So there's interaction. My father is 93% Malay-Muslim. So my father's house. So there was an interaction. My father is 93% Malay Muslim. So my father often helps. So my father said, we can't help the poor

that much. This is not our job, it's the government's job. So my father said, I thank you, you should become an officer to be able to manage the needy.

But you can't. So I said, it's impossible to become an officer. to be able to help people. I said, no way, we're officials, we want to be conglomerates. That's what I thought. But when you become a governor... This is not like a sea fish put in the sea and we're going to eat it.

You once felt an important position, sir, when you became a governor, right?

You felt that you can really help people, understand everything. So people ask me, which one is better for you? Now or before you become a governor? I said it depends, which one is better for whom? If it's good for me personally, it's good for now.

I can accept anyone's offer, there's no gratification. I can take a from anyone. I don't have to pay for it. I can take a private jet to go to work. I don't have to pay for anything. But what's not good about it is people ask for my help. I don't have the money to help them.

Imagine if I was a police officer. The hospital said they were short of patients. I was so confused. I called them. Make it. I called him. I told him to make a room.

He said, no, I can't. I asked him why he didn't design and build. He said, there's no rules. I told him to call Mr. Kuntoro. He's a good friend of mine.

Kuntoro and Gus Brozo.

He said, there's no rules. He called Mr. Gus. He said, there's no such thing as this. He called me and said, Mr. Agus Raya Orjo, and in front of me was Gus, and in front of me was Basuki. He didn't know what Alphard was. As the head of the UKP4?

No, he's not Mr. Agus Raya Orjo.

Yes, he's the LKPB. I didn't want to know. I was in the ICU for 4 years. I was able to get in and out of the hospital in 2 years. I woke up on Sunday morning, and I was in the main hospital, and I was able to get 1000 beds. That was good.

Then I was sent to a group, and they reported me. Sir, there is a person who has a stomachache. A sick person with a stomachache. They sent me. I was sent to the health group. They immediately reported me.

They said, sorry, but the KTP was not from Jakarta. I didn't want to know the KTP was from Jakarta. I didn't want to be rude. They said, help me. I immediately helped. I didn't get any help, and I died.

How could I die? I had an ambulance and a car. Why don't you send me back to Java? I don't know, but that's the good thing.

You can help people.

You can directly help.

Then I have that help, every month, the operating money is exhausted. One billion more is exhausted to pay for the license. So many people have a hard time After I graduated, I didn't bring my original license I owed 3-4 million Then I wanted to work, I wanted to apply for a job, it was hard I called my boss, I paid him

The one who did it, I was in jail People kept asking me

Seriously

People knew it was me Until today, sir If you check my phone, sir. Someone will leave it. So, until now, I still have an employee who will go and check if it's true or not.

There was another complaint. I can't pay the cost. The husband works as a driver, he's a thief. His motorcycle is not enough. The motorcycle is broken. I checked it, it's true. I can't pay. Gojek motor got to cook motor user. Did you put the

Gaby, Sabah, yeah, no, no, no, no

Say my sister got a nice a protestor. I can't be the people to clean up a sea

Can I buy a season no more speed a pair? They've been a jacket among the constituent until now. Yeah, not a scout in the Jakarta. I'm a job in Jakarta, so I can't go out to work. I have to estimate the cost. We know that we have to estimate the cost of a lot of things. We used to help people with wheelchairs. So, being a police officer is really good. It's not our money. I'm not a cartel member.

I was lucky enough to get $30,000 from the factory. For a month. Back then. I was so happy to lose to someone who could help me. If we need help, we ask for help.

You didn't get anything from that, right?

I said, the happiness was beating the time we won US$140,000. That's what I said. There's happiness that we can't afford to lose our time. That's what I said. There's a joy in it. We can't... It's true, we're happy. My grandparents told me,

You're poor, you're a civil servant. You don't want to be corrupt, you get a small salary. Then I said, I'm definitely richer. How can you be richer? You don't want to be corrupt.

Because I help the poor, I don't use my own money, I get paid everywhere. Imagine, my house is paid for electricity, for gas, for surveys.

You help a lot of people, but you don't get paid. I don't get paid. I get paid 10 times from PP1. Mr. Mahfud, so it's important to have power. For what? But, first, I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

I'm not sure.

I'm not sure.

I'm not sure. We are happy. But we also have to be angry if there are people who are biased against others. They like to take other people's rights. It's unfair. We have to be angry, but we also have to be happy if there is a chance for us to help others. In what situation? It can be money, it can be a case, it can be anything. If it's someone who is oppressed, we have to defend who is being abused. That is our duty as human beings. Justice and civility are there. We are doing Merdeka to build justice and civility.

That is what should inspire us. Now, if the question is, can we help people if we have the power? That's right.

That's right.

Try it. You have anything you want, but there is also the ability or thinking to balance the income or natural wealth. If you don't have the power, you can't do it. You can do it with a piece of paper, with a phone call from someone like Pak Ahok. You can help with that because you have the power. Try it if you don't have the power. Who are you to help people like that?

It's easy. With a small memo, you can say, please, there's someone sick over there. Please help. There's someone who can't eat. Please help. That's power. That's why, this is the month of fasting.

In religion, it's taught. It's taught that to practice the good of religion is to be a brother to God with power. If you want to practice a good religion

for humanity to help people, it will not work well if it is not followed by the moral of religion. But if you have religious morals, why don't you have power?

Therefore, doing good, using power, implementing the rules of religion, teaching the good of religion, or teaching our ancestors,

those are two things that cannot be separated. And I also know, Pak Wafud, even though he is a tough guy, if we can give him data that makes sense, he will accept it. Yes, of course. This is a person who is educated and professional. This is data.

Pak Ganjar is also like that. He is the most troublesome person. He is already wrong, he is already wrong. He's not a bad person. He's the most troublesome person. He's always complaining.

We're so confused.

He's complaining.

He doesn't want to know. You talk to him, he doesn't want to listen. What do you want? He's so mean. We can't see his character.

We can't see it. But the problem is, this kind of thinking is in the formation of interests. Actually, there is already interest. The problem is where?

There was already interest before, but yes.

I don't want to criticize the interests, sir. Criticize is okay.

Criticize is okay.

Criticize is also considered as an enemy of the...

It's hard.

We've been to college? It's hard. I've been to college, I've had enough. I've been to college for two years, I've had enough.

College?

We already have the first idea. The Indonesia Sovereign Fund.

That's right.

I even argued with Mr. Joko Iwate. He said, this is a blank book. I said, there's no more Minister of State for National Development, sir. I'm just kidding, sir. For me, this country doesn't need a Minister of State for National Development. I'm in power, you know.

For example, like Freeport. Why do I have to borrow money until I want to buy 51% shares? Do you know what it I'm responsible for 51%

You're moving to another place

It's your duty to build a smelter, I'm doing it now I don't want to, I don't want to give you a profit I want to go to my hometown first You raise the nickel, you raise the gold, you raise the coal, 20% of it is royalties I will also pay royalties I'll just sit idle.

That's what I mean. If there's a fund, I will take the money. If there's not, I will take the money. Then I can play chess. We have to produce something. That's what I mean by cooperation.

If you want it to be real, why don't they just take all the coal that's been mined and all the people who work on it and make it legal? This is a village corporation. Every resident is a member of the corporation. They get dividends. This country is rich. If the people are rich, they can open any store and sell it. This is economic law. I think that's the fact. I think that's the fact. I think that's the fact. I think that's the fact.

I think that's the fact. I think that's the fact. I think that's the fact. I think that's the fact. So, there's no need to debate. No need to play hide and seek. They're not bad people. It's a company. Investment.

They have to tell the investors, this country is careful. This country is careful. This could be negative. They have to be reminded. What does that mean?

It means we don't do the work that was suggested to us.

That's why the ranking has dropped.

Actually, we wanted to find out Mr. Ahok's idea. Why didn't he do it well? So, I asked him, what was the problem?

That's what the problem was. Let's continue, sir.

Our policy is clear. I think that's the problem. Let's continue, Pak. Black and white politics. These two people are considered by many people as not fit to be in a political party where interests and all kinds of things are compromised. How did you face that? Before I go to Pak Ho again. When you became a politician in the PKB, when in the DPR, for example, how did compromises? While you were in the black party, like Pak Ahok.

Yes, that's it. The weakness in politics, especially in the parliament, is that we have to lose in the competition of ideas. You have to lose. Yes. That's why when Pak Ahok, I wanted to join the DPR, Gus Dur said, no, Pak Mahfud, you are not suitable to join the DPR. Gus Dur can't do it. Pak Mahfud, you are not suitable to join the DPR. He said, why? You will be, he said at that time, the head of the Supreme Court.

Gus, I said, the Supreme Court is the one who chooses the DPR too. And you can't be the head of anything. No, you don't become a DPR Why? In DPR, there are many lies Those are friends of Gustur who are Gustur's signature to join DPR

How can they join? If they are a liar

Hahaha

Friends in the factory are a lie

Let each other lie

Don't forget about food so that they can lie to each other

if it's Mr. Mafut, don't do it

at that time

that's great Gus Dur

that's what Gus Dur wanted to say Mr. Mafut is a black and white person you can't do that your role will be lost

your identity will be lost so Gus Dur

they are liars I'm watching, don I can say that. I'm not sure if I can say that. They're all liars. I'm careful not to copy what he said. I'm careful not to copy what he said. I'm careful not to copy what he said. But it was Gustur who taught me to speak. But it was Gustur who taught me to speak.

He's my father.

If he speaks, he'll be in jail. I can't talk.

Back to the politics. You were in the party. You were in Golkar, Pelangkasan, Tivir Indra. And now you're in PDI Perjuangan. What did you fight for in the party? As a black and white man, you didn't want to compromise. What did you fight for?

To be honest, I never had a target to be legislative.

Oh, okay.

My target is to be an executive. So when I started this theory, I thought first, I want to be a deputy, to take care of it, so that the poor people don't come to my house. That's just my thought. That's my job.

My father ordered it. Then I fought with the officials, that's my factory. So when my father died, I realized that he was right. The I don't want to be a member of the DPRD. It's useless. There's a vaccine. It's useless. I don't want to. What do they want? I want to be a member of the DPRD. Dr. Ciel Sarir. Sarir.

The one who's from Bandung. Yes, yes.

It's different.

The new Indonesian party. Why do I want to be a member of the PIB? The party that join Mr. Suki. Okay, okay. That's it. You joined the DPRD yesterday, you don't fit in.

I don't want to join the DPRD. I want to be a mayor. How can I be a mayor? Maybe it's the second thing. Minimal, I'll tell you my idea. I believe in Abraham Lincoln's theory.

The people know this theory even though they never read it or heard it They want to praise someone and give them power

If you want to test a man's character, give him power

So I'm sure the people below are good people But because they are often lied to, they think we are all the same That's why I need a stage to show my character. I want to serve you. I am your servant. And in my opinion, the cheapest and easiest stage in Rai is DPRD level 2. So I joined. And the theory is true. I worked for 7 months, they made me a deputy.

Because from the religious and ethnic side, 93% are Muslims. but I went to school in a country, my friends were all Malays, so I was chosen. Why? Because I didn't want to go to the PRI. I lost to the Commander-in-Chief. I was going to apply for the DMA, but there was an Oknum who said I could be fired. I'm also a person who likes to read the stories of the prophets. Prophet Suleiman once wrote,

a country is in a state of decline because the government is greedy. So I feel that if I want to be a president, I have to be greedy. I'm not a country. But I lost. People said that's how politics is. If you lose, you're a loser. Winning is a sin. You won, but if you're not a loser, you're wrong. If you're right, you're right. If you're wrong, you're wrong. If you're right, you're wrong. If you're wrong, you're wrong. If you're right, you're wrong. If you're wrong, you're wrong. If you're wrong, you're wrong. If you're wrong, you're wrong. If you're wrong, you're wrong. If you're wrong, you're wrong. If you're wrong, you're wrong. If you're wrong, you're joke. I didn't know what a joke was. People asked me, how can you not be in power?

You always talk like that. I joined the DPR. I asked, which one? The PDP offered me. The PTB offered me. I was a bit mystic. If I was offered, I would be a democrat a mystic. Oh, I see. If I was offered to be a Democrat,

my uncle would say, Democrats are just starting out. Wow, look at his face. Chinese people like to look at people's faces. I saw it on TV. My father said,

this is the face of the SBI. You have to join them. This is at least two presidential priorities.

That's why you're a priest.

And my uncle said, I was like, I'm not sure if I want to join the Democratic Party. If I join the Democratic Party, I'll be challenged. If I join the Democratic Party, I'll be challenged. I'm not sure if I want to join the Democratic Party.

I was like, I'm not sure if I want to join the Democratic Party.

I was like, I'm not sure if I want to join the Democratic Party. I was like, I'm not sure. I was close to the WKM. I was looking for a job. I tried to apply to Golkar. Logically, I couldn't get in. I was placed at number 4. I couldn't get in.

I just wanted to know what the campaign was like. I just wanted to know. Golkar was at number 23. I was at number 4? I just wanted to laugh. And then I scored, the number was 23. I scored 4. I liked the number.

Ji Sam Su. Jiwa Samui Surya. 234. That's it. It's impossible. There were only 3 seats.

All the seats were left. How can a person with only 23 seats score 4? Maybe the M.K. decided. sit in the third row. Then, MK called me and said, I need to leave.

You need to leave?

Oh, the loudest voice. I went to the DPR. You were so happy.

I got a blessing from him. Because it was fair. I was going to the DPR. I went there and I realized that we were just like a of us, we were just a few of us, we were just a few of us, we were just a few of us, we were just a few of us, we were just a few of us, we were just a few of us, we were just a few of us, we were just a few of us, we were just a few of us, we were just a few of us, we were just a few of us, we were just a few of us, we were just a few of us, we were become a governor of Babel, you are called a representative, you are called from Adai. You are a family, you are from Bugis too, right?

Yes.

Family. I am from Bugis, sir. I am a child, sir.

So, you have a lot of family.

So, you are called. Yes. So, the governor depends on you, you are called from Adai. You become a representative or governor, it was not good for the people I said I wanted to be the governor of Jakarta I was rejected, because this was a portion of T's portion, Aji Samsunin's portion. Oh, the gold card. Gold card.

And then they said, you're fired.

I said, fine, I'm fired. I'm going to leave Tantowi. I have a reason.

I can't gather.

We have a mystic.

I can't gather at the TPP.

I said, fine, I'll stop. I was looking for someone who was a minority to be nominated as a governor. There were only 7 seats. It's okay, there's a reason to go out. It's impossible for Greenland to nominate us. They need 17 seats. It's okay.

The important thing is that I have a reason. It's impossible for Greenland to nominate me. We are not enough. We are the PTIP. You are the representative. I can't're the representative. The PDIP representative said, we can't do that. Mr. Jokowi wants to be a visual, not me.

That's how it started?

That's how it started, not me. I mean, the card must be dead. Chinese, descendant, Christian, not Betawi, no money, no sense. At that time, there was a room is looking to a nominee has a survey. Yeah, they do a bus number survey to say playing Bawa Hmm. Yep. I'm a deep one. Tiga. I don't do a but you're going to meet that. Say Nike

I'm a Muslim. Yes, I'm this wing. Oh, no, hey, but I'm a senior. I'm a cop and I can monitor a I think, maybe this is my belief, Mr. Jokowi doesn't want Sandiaga Uno. Because when there are only two names, he has to include them in the Megawati book. Mr. Jokowi asked for Sandiaga Uno's replacement, he asked for my name to be replaced.

The one with the 12th number, and so on. What for? Because Mr. Jokowi knows, he said, this is my work, he knows about Megawati, I can't agree with Didi Miswan If Didi Miswan and Sandiaga Ono were in the list I would definitely choose Sandiaga Ono

But if Ahok is in the list You're dead I would definitely choose Didi Miswan I don't know where Ibu Mega is from, from Bali She would choose Ahok Until Pak Jokowi was shocked

Everyone was shocked So you were not expected by Pak Jokowi Including Tayu Kumolo, Malamara So most of the other to the other muscle Taikumono, Mara Mara Daddy, I love candy. I'm so much. I'm funny. I got a photo Can I get a cup of a company or two on a club? What is I'm saying a cool way come a man or sing a bit of that thing?

Yeah, get a terrible got a photo. Hmm. Say to my dad. I'm gonna make a long and young Minorita minority at the restaurant first I was fat I ate all the time So we have to believe that it's all fate If not, there's no story There's no story

When I was in the tournament, no one wanted to support us Then we won the first round The second round, I thought, we would still lose. But it's okay. At least we got to debate. We got to share our ideas.

Right? So, we were still left.

We were still left.

I thought, I'll work hard to help Mr. Jokowi. Help the people, become a model. Maybe in the next five years, he might not want to invite me again. Jokowi lah. Nolong rakyat banyak gitu kan jadi model gitu ya. Nah mungkin lima tahun akan datang dia mungkin juga gak mau ngajak saya lagi gitu. Saya juga gak pernah berpikir dia mau jadi presiden kan? Kalau saya lupa ngomong, enggak lah. Saya apaan saya lupa ngomong?

Kan gitu, kita nih.

Positif tinggi lah gitu ya.

Kita pikir, iya dong. Logika gimana mau jadi presiden gitu kan? I was like, how can I be the president? I'm not a general, I'm not someone else I was thinking like that We have to be realistic I was happy to be a wago I worked hard And then he became the president I was called from Gerinda yesterday

I quit Because he thought I wanted to support Mr. Jokowi's business

to become the governor

So I campaigned

to say the right thing about Mr. Jokowi Oh, I see. I was told to campaign to...

...to say the truth about Mr. Jokowi. That was the beginning. He was a man of his word. He was a strong man. But at that time, I felt... ...Mr. Jokowi... ...was a very good person.

He was a good citizen, he was a president. You said he was more empathetic. That's how we are. You feel it's hard. I've never felt it's hard. We eat well since we were kids.

We always get in the car, and our shoes and clothes are always good. So I just thought that. I have to support. That's it. If I go to school I needed support. That's it. I went to school in Mako, and that was it.

But I never regretted it. When I was asked if I wanted to do it, I said no. I chose to join. Because I learned a lot from joining. I learned to listen to myself.

I knew, oh, this is wrong. Oh, this doesn't need to be said. Oh, this doesn't need to be commented on. So we learn. We understand. We are thirsty to understand. Because if you want to get something inside, it hurts. It's like being in a cage. So we learn to accept what we have. I can't talk like that. I couldn't let go.

Because I'm a loose man. So, for tomorrow, I've thought about the business. I never enjoyed the day. Now, you're more like this? Now, I don't want to. Tomorrow, I'll have my own business. Why bother?

Today, there's no more event. I'll just talk. Just choose. I was invited to sing, I had to sing in the army I couldn't sing I called the police

I heard there's a band now

So it's a band of my friends in jail

So my friend invited me

But he's in Gandaria Gandaria Seratan I said, I thought Pak Mabut was in Seratan I didn't think he was in Keramat Wow, if he's here, he's already there So far He's can't get to 30.

I have a new hobby, playing golf. I wake up in the morning and want to play golf. While I'm in a business meeting. My business friends are all golf players. So we play golf, we invite people, the meeting is long, 5 hours. We also know the character of the people.

So we know, oh, like this. This can work together, this can't. This is a winner, a cheater. We can see. So we immediately know the character of the people. Some are angry, angry.

Now, if people play golf with me, they want me to say this. Koreans, Japanese, Chinese too. They must say, if someone says Korea, Japan, China, they always say, if you're angry, it's emotional. You're wrong. I'm not. I'm a person who can't get angry. I can't scream. I can't scream even if I'm bad.

I'm just angry because I need to. So when I received so many people from Jakarta, I was angry, I was angry, I was angry. I was angry, I not the TV that gets angry The TV is framed to take the angry The drama is for what

If someone is angry, it's lost control I didn't mean to get angry I'm angry But after that I stopped

I immediately moved to not get angry

So I played around, people know I'm not angry When I went to, my friend said We're afraid to bring you Why? Because you're an angry man No, I'm not angry

I know you're not angry The anger is different You can get angry when you hit the ball You can swear, you can speak I've never done that I just play it casually. I like to control myself.

Okay, let's continue. This is the last one. We haven't opened it yet.

We're waiting for it to open.

We're waiting for it to be buried.

We've heard a lot of stories from your friend, Pak Ahok. You were also in Pak Ahok's episode because you were considered a minority. You said earlier then you were also in Mr. Ahud's episode, because you were considered a minority.

As you said, you were a minority twice.

Yeah, yeah.

I said three times. Mr. Ahud said once. Anti-corruption is weird, right?

He said three times.

I said, Mr. Niv, you're a minority, right? Yeah, yeah.

Everyone is a minority.

That's right. Now, if we talk about tolerance and diversity, with the cases that you have, for example, how much do you see as a part of the process of increasing the quality of tolerance or diversity?

Which is also your concern all this time.

How is it?

I, this is from the previous card, there is something interesting.

One, you are full of calculation.

Yes.

And full of confidence to take a step. That's why he always succeeds. But there is one thing. He really believes that everything is determined by God.

Yes.

Still returning to God's will.

Yes.

That's the best way for people to be religious. In my opinion, any to follow God's will. I think God is not evil. He is the one who created mankind. Why would He want to be evil to His servants? That's why, for me me, religious tolerance is important. Since I was a kid, Pak Ahok,

there was a Muslim-Malay mosque built by his parents.

It's normal, it's the same.

Social relations, the road, and all that.

It's the same. It's the same for me in Madura. In Madura, it's very fanatic. Now, there are people who say it's one of the fanatic or and I need it. You can come there anytime. Sure. It's cheap. And so on.

There are many people. So, diversity is a good thing. People never fight because of religion. But people have good religion. But people discredit people because of different religion.

That was when I was young. But when I grew up, I started to see the movement of radicalism. There was a lot of fanaticism. There was. There was also. When I was young, there was none.

We were taught that life is the same. We are all God's creatures. So I often went to church. I went to the ch church and to the temple It was a place for Hindu and Buddhist people to celebrate We used to play with the kids

And on Eid, they would also come On Christmas, we would also go there It was okay

It was beautiful We were so small How was it, Pak Ho? I was so excited. I was so excited. I was so excited.

I was so excited. How was it? It was a holiday. We had a feast. We had a feast. We ate.

We ate.

We ate.

We ate. We ate. I was so shocked when I arrived in Jakarta, I was in school, and I just started. I felt it in the 80s. If you want to be an Aussie, you have to be a Christian. So there was a sense of power.

So it means that for social interest it is developed but for political interest

it is suddenly split, right?

you feel that way, right? yes, since the 80s when we were very young then this is not an original person this is a foreigner this is not an Islamic person

this is not this religion since then, for is it for?

What is in your mind, in that context, let's say we look at Ghusdur, which has been fighting for so long. What do you see?

What values from Ghusdur must be developed? The values of humanity. Humanity, yes. We are all human. I think we are the Samawi religion

Yes, yes, we are the Samawi religion

We are tasked to administer social justice Administrate? Social justice

Oh, okay, that's the message of the Samawi religion, something like that

That's the word of Sulaiman who answered

Oh, okay

I was very impressed when Sulaiman, Prophet Sulaiman was asked by God

What do you want from me? I remember when Prophet Sulaiman was asked by God,

what do you want from me? He didn't ask for wealth, he didn't ask for a long life, he asked for power. He asked for wisdom to be able to administer the big social affairs of this nation. That is a very deep sentence. I was so deep into the story. So, Gus Dur... For example, I was in Qatar at that time. I was watching a news. He said,

it's fake news. It's a fake news. I said to Gus Dur,

I don't understand the Quran.

So, if I say something, I will be punished. Don't let the case of Al-Ma'idah

be the only one. it! It was Gus Dur who said it! It was Gus Dur who said it! Gus Dur said it? Yes, that's why Mrs. Yeni said, Why are you copying my father's speech? Oh, I see.

You're the one who copied my father's speech, it's not a problem! It was Gus Dur who said it! the one that asked for Al-Ma'idah yes, the one that asked for Al-Ma'idah it was sold out in the market all Jumatah all prayers were used in the ayat so I was talking I was thinking

I was talking I was talking we forgot, I was already praying but I have a dream. I'm happy to be a Gustur. I don't have a private plane. I can do it. I want to support people from Tionghoa to be the governor.

That's Gustur. I'm from Tionghoa. I want people from Tionghoa. I want people from Tionghoa. We all want to go back. I got a guitar.

Yeah.

I'm a young one. I'm a young one. I'm a young one. I'm a young one. I'm a young one. I'm a young one. Arab is still the top If Chinese people become Malay, they will be the first to be born

Now, Chinese people are married to Javanese people

Yes

My family, my parents, they are married to Silah My uncle is a Mu'alaf, he is married There are also Malay people who are married to Chinese people My parents are married to Semang. My grandmother is half Thai, from my father. My grandmother's father is Thai. So my grandmother wore a sarong, a western one.

So when the PPP was in the 10th, Pak Yusri was wrong. He thought my family was a UNI because in the 80s, Pak Harto was given. No, my family was already UNI. My brother was already UNI, all of them were born. one Indonesia. Why? Because we don't understand. When I go home, I can't speak Chinese. My father always reminds me, my grandmother, Okay, you have Chinese descent, Chinese, that's our ancestral land.

But our motherland is Indonesia. That's why my grandmother didn't go. That's why our family, got the WNI from the beginning.

But have you ever done a DNA test?

Well, that's... How many percent? Well, that's why Mas Masihap said that he had more Chinese elements than me. I've done a lot of DNA tests.

I'm afraid that later I'll have to download the Arabic version.

Mas Masihap said that The Arab population is only 3%.

Yes, that's better.

While the Chinese population is around 40%. Because we are all mixed.

Yes, there's no one who is truly...

We are all mixed.

Yes, the agglutination is high.

My father didn't want to go either. When my grandmother was still alive, she was a Bungsung. When the nationalization was ordered to the Netherlands Suddenly Indonesia had no hope So my father said, if there is no hope, you go, there is no one My father didn't want to go My father was invited to the Netherlands

He joined the Netherlands to work So it was indeed formed from the family So it was indeed formed from the family So it was formed from my grandmother, from my father

And by the way, now at home there have a new kid at home Oh yeah He just got his third child. Congratulations

Thank you

Congratulations

Last December? Yes, Mother's Day

Mother's Day

You have a blocked eye

What?

You have a blocked eye

Oh yeah? Like his mother

Ha ha ha ha

Congratulations

That's enough, Mr. Amut, Mr. Hau

Thank you

That's enough We have more than an hour. Thank you. I am your netizen. Please give us a note. What do you think you have seen from here? What values have we gained?

Please write it in the comments. We will see who the next Pak Mahfud's friend is. Thank you, Pak Ahok,

for your dialogue and discussion. for your dialogue and discussion.

See you next time. Thank you, Mr. Ahok, for your conversation. See you next time.