Malaka Cinematic Podcast: Reza Arap Oktovian

Finally, after so many events and so much time, we can present the one and only Reza Arab Octavian. Can you give a shout out to Reza?

Give him a round of applause.

This is a crowded place. This is the writing. If a young man who has studied in school and considers himself too tall and smart to mess with the people who work with a knife... ...there's no comma. And only have simple dreams, it's better if education is not given at all. Crazy.

Crazy. Do you agree with that, Rap? I agree. Because Coki mentioned it earlier. So many names. So, how about the eclipse?

Huh?

How was the Eclipse? It was a disaster. It was a disaster because of my fault. I'm sorry for my old fault. But we have to give context first. So, for you guys who just heard about Eclipse,

what was the Eclipse at that time? A-Aclean maybe? I don't know. A-A-Clean now or... We can say it's more of a collective. A collective group. Malacca now maybe?

Exactly.

Remind me, who are the members? Can I? Or you've forgotten and forgot it all at once? No, your question... Your question makes another difference. Your question, Coki. Or you've forgotten it all? No, your question is making another BFF. Your question, Coki.

No, my question is just reminding.

Oh, yeah.

Jovi, Dovial. Jovi, Andovi. Kaira, Naida. Then... David Beat Chandra Leo. 9 people?

I...

Tommy Lim. 9. How many? One more. Andy Garcia.

9 people.

Wow, that's crazy. All are OG. The first person who got money and rich from the internet. Amen. I mean, in Indonesia. How was it in that era when there was no content creator? Now, content creator is okay.

You get money, so-so. Back then, everything was yours. How rich were you back then?

That's a question.

Because Kemal was frustrated, depressed because of the past. I saved it. That was Kemal's level. Arab level back know. I just saved it. That was a level of Kemal. Arab level back then. Ferry Irwandi.

Idiot.

We want to know. What were you doing back then? Still teaching English? But, when I have to say, you opened up other professions. But, when I have to say, you're the one who opened a new kind of profession. Not me, of course. Yes, one of them.

No, I was inspired by the old ones, like Tara Arts. I was inspired by them, of course. That's more OG. Edward Zell first. But, in your era, you're the second generation that make it. Like in K-pop, the second generation that...

exploded and became an industry. How easy was the money at that time? I cannot say easy because... because the payment... Can we give a chance to go to the scene? AdSense, it was hard to apply.

That's one. It was hard to apply. I needed 6 months hard to apply for the license It took me 6 months I had to wait for the letter from Google to my apartment It was just a verification code It was really hard

And to get the money I had to go to What was it again? Union Union

Union Yes, that's it. Medium well. Union.

Yes, that's it. It was in Indomaret. I was still a Cairin. 700.000. 700 something. Cairin was like that.

Back then. If you ask me, maybe, I can guess from my that from 2014 to 2015, I still remember in August, I tried to upload once a week. I tried to upload 3 times a week, full, for a month,

it was 300 million in that year. I don't know how big it was. It's really big, 300 million in 2014. Yes I don't know how big it is. It's huge, man. 300 million in 2014. It's huge. Wow. Maybe with my view.

What? I mean with my view. If we count the course, 2014, around 10-12 thousand, and now 16 thousand. It's possible. It's around 1M.

With the current rate? Yes. With the current rate. And that's AdSense. You haven't endorsed or what? I think I haven't endorsed much. No endorse. No wonder why Kemal... He came here and told me,

I'm so mad. He was like, I'm so mad. Now I have a lot of followers. At that moment, when did you realize that you're famous?

No.

At what moment? When you were doing content, did you realize that, what the fuck, man? Why are there so many people asking for photos? I'm this famous.

I know you're more focused on the content, what's next? But at what moment did you realize that you're this big? I never thought like that. I'm the opposite. I always think I have to be bigger, bigger, bigger. So, what I have now is not enough.

Okay, correct.

So, you're still angry until now? I still feel hungry. Yes. What we talked about earlier. Because you're one of the YouTubers who are angry. Yes. Since long ago.

You're always trying to be relevant. And you have a lot of dynamics. Up, down, up, down, up, down. And does it change? Or you felt like, it's fine, nothing to lose. It changed when I started to make music.

It changed. Because my goal from the beginning was to gain time, and then I turned it to music. Did you design like that in the beginning? Since I was a kid. I played the piano.

Okay.

I was a mute. I'm a mute.

That's why I have Eka. I can't play instruments, I can't sing, I can't do anything. But I can make songs. I mean, I can understand. I can write songs. I want to...

I want to turn it around to the Virginias. Thank you for accepting me. And you'll last? 10 years. I think it's because of Weird Genius. They accepted it. And it lasted? 10 years. 10 years. What made Weird Genius different

from what you've done before? You have a lot of projects. And some of them are gone. Why Weird Genius is not gone? Aklan is not gone.

Tepe, boss.

Who raises Tepe will be gone. The mind is not gone yet. The brain, boss. Who raises the brain will definitely go away. He's crazy. What makes Weird Genius have longevity that far? I'm dead.

I don't have it in my head.

Do you vibe with the people inside? Of course. Okay, let's start from the crucial part, the money. I've discussed this before. I and Eka don't fight over who gets the biggest amount of money. But who gets the smallest amount of money?

Because?

For example, there's a project, how much do you get? No, you have to be bigger. Rap, no rap. You're the rap. You have to be bigger. We fight there. Not big money. Finally we meet in the middle, and we fight.

We don't fight. Money is number 7. First, it's music. Music, music, music. Production, production, production. Okay, so you can manage your ego in a WG project. I know it better, not manage. I know it better.

If there's no WG, there's no Eka. But according to your personal assessment, according to your personal assessment, how much contribution can you make in WG? How much? I don't know. But according to you. According to your personal assessment, how much contribution can you make in WG? How much?

I don't know.

But it's up to you. Because you're the one who said that Eka should get more. If you can make a percentage, it's up to you to answer or not.

50-50. 50-50.

Fair.

I'm curious, when WG is established, just like when we built Malacca, the voice is not always positive, right? And you've mentioned it a few times, what are you doing here, Arab? There are a lot of netizens. How did you handle it?

Did you get caught when they said that? I was questioned? Yes, I was doubted? Yes, doubted, doubted. What should I do? How did you manage it? And what made you strong with Eka

until you've been doing this for 10 years? When people did that to me, I wasn't the one who got mad. It was Eka who got mad. Eka was trying to explain thousands of times to people wherever he went.

He wanted to be off camera, they want to be on camera They always explain, I ask Arap, I ask Arap But if I'm as simple as that, I won 7 AMI, what the fuck Yes, in the end, it's that achievement Speak for itself Without having to claim people

Like Baskara, who said his voice is not good

I won AMI

True

How many ideas did you have? There were so many, yesterday was 8 and he kept claiming people like Baskara who said his voice is not good I won the AMI how many ideas did you have? 8 he was the one who harvested Baskara it's crazy, Baskara is different

it's crazy

wait, I'm afraid of that damn it 7 or 8, I'm not in the same AMI yeah, sure I'm not afraid of making mistakes. Yeah.

But after Lati came out, Word Genius set the bar high, right? As far as it's seen. What if it's not seen? What if it's not seen is that we're famous. Famous in the context?

Well, we're famous. Oh my God, it's different! It's so explosive! So, it's on the billboard in several countries. It's different. The off-air, the stage. So, it's not productive. Not productive, you mean making other content? Making songs. Not as hungry as before.

In a comfortable zone. Yes, at that time. And Eka and I also admitted about the mistake in that part. But I want to ask you, because in my opinion you are the most valid answer. How big is the influence of the comfort zone and productivity, creativity? Because in my opinion, he is the one who can answer valid.

Because he is an international billboard His performance is also crazy I just tweeted this yesterday I don't think that artist is... What's wrong with my tweet?

I'm afraid of making mistakes It's okay Even though he said it himself, I'm afraid of making mistakes

If I'm with Coki, I won't play Twitter anymore Our mentality is not like that. True. We don't have the energy anymore. I play Twitter because my Twitter is quiet.

Okay. It makes sense actually.

Cool.

But I'm tired.

Where is it?

I'm tired.

I'm afraid of making a mistake.

Yes, go ahead. No. No, because there are many people who claim that Zora Nyaman kills creativity. But if we look at the background, maybe he is not in a valid position to talk about it. The point is, the point is, in my opinion,

I don't claim myself as an artist, but in my opinion, It's okay, Rap.

I don't want to.

Art is dangerous when, not when he feels that, but when it feels safe. That's what I think. Because when I look at my works and also other artists, when they are under pressure, whatever the problem is, The work is good and the work is done.

There must be pressure. There must be pressure. So, yeah, stay dance in the storm, in my opinion. I have a question, and specific to you two. With Arab, the background is like this, like we said earlier, you always... You quoted what Jovial said, right? Everyone has their own time, everyone has their Jovial said. Everyone has their own era.

Everyone has their own era. But every era has its own Arab. Gosh, that's a tough one. That's a tough question. These languages are so dangerous. That's how it is.

No matter what era he's in, Arab is still in the conversation. Even when he's not intending to. Or maybe he's intendingending, we don't know. But you're always considered a top tier comedian. Or stand up comedian.

Always. Even though you've had... many problems.

I'm a boss.

I'm a boss.

I'm a boss.

And?

I see you two as anti-cancel people. How can you cancel? My mentor said, no one can die twice. Shit. No one can be killed twice. We'll talk about the mentor later.

I want to ask. To Lurap or Coki, in your life, in your purpose, are you still bothered by emptiness? Or do you still feel emptiness? I think Arab is more valid, Jopie.

Yes, Arab is more valid, Jopie.

Yes.

Bothered, yes. I think that's my biggest fear. I think working on what I've made, whatever I've released, I think... it's a bother. I can't do that. I think the series I made is a bit disturbing. I can't do that.

It's lonely. Empty. That's why I like to do tantrum. I live with my kids.

I go downstairs and it's empty.

They're all like,

a bit possessive.

I'm scared. A bit possessive. That's it. I'm afraid. What about you, Jok? In the end, I've reached a point where I understand that people have to be responsible for themselves. And emptiness is something we have to face sooner or later. Yeah. Well, it's been done.

That's why now I have certain circles that become my hangout. Almost like him.

The difference is I don't chat.

You all are dogs.

But you still feel that, right? Like, I'm already like this, but the hole, the plot, the void, it's not closed yet. In what context? In your life. If I've started to fill it in the healthier things, like now I'm looking for a reason to live that is more measurable.

For example, the reason I do all my work is because of other people. For example, starting from my pet dog. Is it your dog? No, it's a poodle. I work because I want my fridge to be full. For my poodle, my partner.

To fill the void. Because for yourself, the void will always... Who does that to... For yourself? Sorry. Who does anything for himself?

That's it. I was in that phase. Maybe all of us. Maybe all of us at a relatively younger younger age, we are like that.

Yes, yes.

Even I myself, when I didn't know there were people who meant a lot to me. I was in a bus. I felt that. But if you're alone, what do you cover the void with?

I cover it with my kids.

This one ship.

Nice. My mom. You're the one who closed it. It's my kids. Oh. It's one of the boats. Okay, nice.

Yes, they are.

Nice.

Mama.

The important thing is that Mama's pregnancy is smooth.

Oh, that's for sure.

That's for sure. And I think that's the answer that makes sense. Because that's what makes her still sane. Facing a lot of dynamics until 2025. When this video was shot. I think his dynamic is also heavy. But it's not published by many people. Because if you say Gara,

you're Gara. There's one behind me. There's one behind me. Because Gara said, humans will never win against loneliness.

Right.

People are talking about One Piece, don't forget there's Naruto Naruto often makes tears flow

That's right

What's your favorite Naruto moment?

Huh?

Before that, you should ask him first He's really into it Oh yeah, there's Tato Gara

Yeah

Naruto's face is so red He'll cry if Kurama dies Seriously? Yeah, if Tepe Yeah, he won't cry when Tepe dies

No, I won't cry

He cries when Kurama dies

I don't care

My favorite moment in Naruto? Yeah I can't stop crying When Naruto talks to his dad, he's about to get on the train Yeah, I watch Naruto's comedy What about your crying moment in Boruto?

I cried while watching it. I was like a dog.

I watched a movie.

I was in a moment when he met Kusina. It was so sad. He said, he ate a lot. Thank you. I was so excited. I was in college. Those were HMI students.

I was crying. I read Naruto. Naruto comic. My cousin said, Naruto said, thank you for filling my life with love.

I was like, damn.

I cried more than Naruto. Maybe because... That one?

Yes.

With Hunter x Hunter. But it's Hiatus. Hiatus. Do you follow Naruto? What anime? Naruto.

Not bad. From... From Orochimaru BTS to Orochimaru Kureng, I follow.

You follow? I follow. From Orochimaru BTS to Orochimaru Kureng, I followed him. You followed him?

I followed him. Orochimaru was one of the coolest villains. Until now, he's just a filler.

Damn.

He's just a filler, right? Just a comedy. Orochimaru was like Frieza, sir.

Right.

Orochimaru was like... And he had the same voice. Orochimaru is like you are already level 99, you have maxed out all your skills, but you are still playing in dungeons that are so easy. In Buruto, you can get nerfed. The saddest moment in Naruto was when Kamaru's teacher, Asuma, died. Huh? Okay. Why? Because Asuma doesn't appear in the story, Coki.

Only in the moment. Yes, he appears in the story to die. He's a plant. He's a plant to die. I don't know. Because I think people we think doesn't mean anything...

in the plot,

it actually matters for the characters in the movie. Oh, and after that... My favorite scene... Shogi? The one that... With his father.

Yes, it's said that Radia... ...is the next generation. No, the one after Asuma died. He played with his father. He cried and said, let it out. That moment was emotional.

It resonated for me. Sometimes we think we're not that important... ...to run the world. It turns out, Asuma... The reader also thought he was just a filler. ...the world. It turns out... ...Asuma, the reader... ...considers him as a filler.

He's a character... ...to lure the emotion. But he's a matter for Shikamaru. At least he's a matter for his squad. Until finally, Shikamaru is willing... ...to do the impossible to kill Hidan...

...who's practically immortal. But that has a bad effect on Kamaru He becomes a smoker Before, Kamaru didn't smoke The reason he smokes is so that he won't laugh when he cries Because the smoke will go into his eyes

Because he's a dog Kamaru smokes I hate smoking because the smoke hurts my eyes until I cry He doesn't want to laugh and cry so he smokes Back to Arap, I want to ask you. You have a lot... You're so jumpy.

We call it jumping. You have a lot of projects that you made. From yourself, as a brand, and other projects, from Eclipse and others. I think one of his great things is,

he knows how to place himself in every project. And that's what makes Long Last. What is your formula to make a project? Like A-A clan, or Eclipse. Maybe Eclipse, I don't know who initiated it first. But like Weird Genius, or A-A clan. What is the formula you use to make a group?

Just make it. Just make it first. If it's not successful, how was it? Just do it.

Just do it. Success or failure, just do it.

And you...

Just do it. Suddenly you remember, you did it. No consideration or anything. No. And it happened in Marathon Season 2. Season 1, oh my God, only 2,000. 5,000. The most popular, the lag came.

30,000. But, outside, in Season 2... I still remember, it was season 2, I still remember it. It was New Year's Eve. I chatted with the group. I said, I don't know how to do it. The first week, we had to go. I said, it's not possible. I said, I don't know. I'm like that.

I don't know. We went back to the third week. We got a house and week. It was empty. We started out empty. So, all the processes in season 2, until we got a new mic,

until we got a mixer from TP, it was all while we were doing Marathon. So, it wasn't like we were ready. We just did it first.

And that was the canon moment in. I just do it first. Okay.

That's the canon moment in season 2 that made you explode. Did you notice it, Turab? Here's the thing. I had a plan of where I would explode. But, I don't know.

The universe worked in a funny way. It turned out that it wasn't what I expected. And it was really beyond... Expectations? No, it was beyond my expectations. It was an acting class.

We made an acting class concept... where we made a script. Kiki Narendra came as a guest star. She taught us how to act. It was all in 2 hours. We read the script for 1 hour.

Then, the next hour, we... Roll play. We played the script. And it exploded. How did it explode? TikTok. That's it.

Second, IG.

This was on Twitter. I was so confused, man. I was so confused. It didn't go into your radar. It didn't go into my head. It exploded there.

I was like, what the fuck?

I was like, okay. From there, it's a toll road. It's not... It's a toll road. It's not... It's not allowed to drive. And in a good way. Is Young Lex not a good way, Coki?

In a good way. You have to add the word in a good way. He has done a lot of projects. He can't be involved in this. Shout out to Young Lex. But you, you are like this, your current project is 9 people, including you, so let's say 8 people.

Yes. You are... What the hell is this?

No, no.

I mean, everyone has their own ego.

I'm going to smoke.

Okay.

Everyone has their own ego. Okay. And everyone has their own creative drive. This is a basic question. But how can you facilitate your own creative drive... ...so that you can meet in the middle?

I think that we're genius is brilliant. But in terms of numbers number people is easier. You can still find the middle point, by numbers wise. But this is 9 people, do they brainstorm with their own ideas? How do you find the middle way so everyone is like, okay, I want to do this. That's it. Or are you an authoritarian type?

To be honest, I don't really appreciate brainstorming. Like Irwandi? You're not confirming, but I'm a democrat. I'm like, I want this. You do this. If it's wrong, I'll take responsibility. If it's right this. You do this. If it's wrong, I'll take responsibility.

If it's right, we'll... There's a pro and a con. Or you say, let's find an idea. What do you think? So, he's like you. No, I'm just an example.

I'm not like that. You're the first. And if you ask about... each of your own ego, it's just a coincidence. But for coincidence with people, there's added value. Like, you, you, that's what people often forget about the leader.

The leader is the one who can make decisions at the right time, that people don't even ask, even though they doubt. Because they believe the person. And that's what you planted in AAA. No, I planted it. They planted it to me. They planted it to me. I don't want it.

But 90% it's my intrusive and impulsive. My intuition. And they do it while they're mumbling. No. I'm here and they're mumbling. But the numbers prove otherwise. The numbers of A'Aklaind prove otherwise.

So, maybe they have disagreement or disagreement. But when it's proven by numbers, and proven by brand, and proven by info-ish, in the end, it speaks for itself. But I want to ask you, is it a good thing or a bad thing in the future?

If you want to sustain IP, Oh, damn. I think it's a good thing. No, he's not. That's why we asked him. It's hard to answer him. But if you... You should ask him.

Okay, this is the VT of all the members.

So, there's one.

And the next one is Eclipse.

Okay, Rap.

The difference is, before, in Eclipse, Monkey. Okay, Rap. What's the difference? Before, in Eclipse, we know you're one of the creators. The system... That's it.

The system is the same? What is the same system? Yes, system, working mechanism. Here, you're making decision, the kids trust, and you make it. If there, is it the same?

In Eclipse, brainstorm. So, in EEE, there are founders, right? The kids trust and you make it. What about you? I'm brainstorming. There are founders in AAA. Me, Jot, Yuka, Gary. Major, we usually discuss with four people. I mean, with Cynthia. We discuss about five majors.

Five majors. But still, the last decision is mine. Still, whatever it is. So, what I did in Eclipse was brainstorming. Until you're really stupid, right? Until you're not brave. Until I'm mad. Until I'm gloomy.

That's ego. Because I was still young. My ego was still big at that time. Maybe the clash was there. But, I'm sorry. But, it's true. It should be educated to people. Because based on leadership theory, people only see that the good leadership is the one who gives the stage for democracy, the one who discusses, not always, man. Sometimes, we need a leader who knows the trajectory, what the vision is, what it's like, and that's what can be everlasting.

The problem is people buy textbooks always see leadership who can handle everything, hear voices, not always in practice. Some advanced companies also buy the system like that. There must be a quote, There should be a quote. There should be a decision maker. The decision maker should be looked up. Like in Zenius, there's Sabda.

It's like that. In Malacca, there's Ferry. I'm a democrat. The more you believe, the more you believe, the more we doubt. I'm going back to it now. Do you think it's good or not?

With that kind of thing. For me, if I'm here, let's go back. They put the trust. It's more... Maybe you can feel it too. Like there are some things you can't discuss. To others. But in your own head, maybe.

If I often experience that kind of moment, if I make a wrong decision. For example? Okay. For example, like this. It's okay. Relax. I'm sorry. What's in my head...

comes out like that. Sorry, bud. For example, I think... where do I want to take Malacca? In these two years, what's the... leap we want to take Malaka to? In these two years, what are the jumps we want to do?

Sometimes...

You think that far?

Yes.

I'm not going to do it anymore.

But the basis is the same, trust. Coki is one of the people who trust me the most. Yes. So, he said, I'm just going to follow. It's a burden too, right? Follow, follow.

What if you got cheated? You got cheated by Ferry Irwani. That's still a compliment.

You got cheated by Ferry Irwani.

So, you... My kids are free. They're free. But, for you, it's a burden. What if I'm wrong? It becomes a burden. If I'm wrong, what will I do? Yes, it becomes a consideration.

There is. There is.

I don't have it.

I don't have it.

Okay, interesting.

I don't have it.

When they say, you're free, I'm like, okay.

That's it.

Because you're sure it won't fail?

It won't fail.

Well, okay.

Just do it. I'm more like that because I feel like, what if I'm a loss to them? That's there. But the target doesn't interfere with my decision. That's what I do. If for example, like brainstorming.

What I often do is, including Coki, Kania, Dea, Coki, some of them. What should we do? What do you think? In the end, we have input, we make a decision. What people do wrong is, they buy textbook, see the leadership in an organization, you have to be able to give a forum, you have to be able to...

...in the end, it's like before, brainstorming, ...the only thing that comes is the strom, the brain is gone. Because you don't do anything. And that's what makes E&E Klein bigger. Amen. E&E Klein is cool.

Is it three's? Why Arab? It was a voting. There were three options. I got that.

Arab.

Arab kids. Anything. Arab kids, Arab girls.

That's girl band. But it's funny.

And from that, Arab kids. Yes, from that. Arab kids, Arab brothers, Arab aunts, Arab aunts. It's like that. It just started from there. But Triple A.

Triple A.

It's not catchy in name. It's not. It's not catchy. But I think, it means he will always be Tier AA Clan will always be a Tier A They will always be a Top Tier

In any era That's a copy of Jambi, AAA

Damn

It's not connected If you're with Rapton You have to buy a copy of Jambi It's not connected, Fer But it's true, Joki The copy is the best

Where's Akil?

He doesn't care Is that true or not.

He's talking about coffee.

Idiot.

We want to promote... local coffee. It's called Triple A. You can buy it at Maraktom. It's called Triple A. We call it the coffee you drink in Tempat Ratu.

It's good. But have you ever thought... you'll make these 8 people, you're going to raise a monster. Who will have a possibility to... Break the internet?

No. I mean to betray you. Or become something that's out of control. That's one thing we've been talking about for 5 years. 4 years? I understand. Because I'm...

I'm a cognitive. No, it's like this. I understand. Because I'm a cognitive. Just call me TP. But you mean you can make 8 people bigger with a crazy fame? No, I can't. I can't say I make people bigger. I'm not a person who can be directed to NBD.

But in my opinion, Marapton, Triple A can run because it's a nine-member. Because it was four at first. And I was the one who initiated AAA could run because of the 9 of us. Because we were 4 at first. And I was the one who initiated to Jod, Yuka, and Gary. And Cynthia. I said, we were 4. Until the end, this won't work. I have to pull one by one.

That was also by process. During Marathon, first, we had a fight. Who is who? Like that. And then you adjust it to fit your personality You must have a feeling Feeling

The feeling is all right That's Arab The feeling is all right That's intuition The intuition is God's Since the beginning of Eugenius

No one has failed There are a lot of songs that failed that didn't always explode Yeah, but people remember it It's a very bad They remember it, they practice

Yeah

But I remember EPS

Thank you

I remember the video clip, 60 fps That's the only bad thing If it's 24 fps, it's good What do you want to be remembered as?

Fuck you

What do you want to be remembered as? Fuck you Seriously, I'm asking you You've made a lot of projects, right? What do you want to be remembered as? If in the end, we all die, what do you want to be remembered as? Oh, that's so hard I'm so tired. Yes, because... Vali was asking you.

Because you're up there. Where? Yes.

Are you crazy? Yes.

No, don't do that.

You're behind me. You're not even close.

It's the same.

Do you remember...

when someone said...

Reza Arab Octavian. What do you want to be remembered as? Besides handsome gamers. That's... Reza Arab, Octavian, what do you want to be remembered as? Other than the handsome gamer of the era That's... Fak Pecitraan, Nakal Tapi Tampan

I talk about this on YouTube Even though the word tampan is a bit... I'm Hapal, you bastard

Stop, you bastard

He's making a young lag lyric

Great

Young lag

Getchy, getchy

What do you want to be remembered as? Yes, I'm curious. As a person... who they have projected to each other. Ah, the answer is a template. Okay, I'll ask. Coki, what do you want to be remembered as?

A person who... influence to culture. Man of culture. Either in a good way or a bad way. But I want to be remembered as someone who gives influence to culture. Coki is the life's craft for relevance.

I want to die with a statue of Coki.

I thought... There's a statue of Coki. I thought...

There's a statue of Coki. That's possible. I can see it. One more time, Coki. You, Rap.

I don't have it in my head. You don't?

I don't have it in my head.

Legacy? Legacy that you imagine if you have a child or something. Yes, maybe. that's it. I think that's it. That's what I've never felt.

Oh, yeah. That's it.

What do you mean?

Family.

Family man.

Do you want to be remembered as a family man? For your closest people? No, I don't know about that. I don't know. What do I remember? Nothing. I don't know. I don't have any. What do I remember as? As what? Nothing. I'm just me.

That's why I said, just as they projected. If they thought I was trash, then I'm trash for the rest of my life. Until I die, I'm trash. Okay. So you're turning it back to the person who projected you? Yes.

That's crazy. You don't have to be directed. So, in the end, you just gave it to the public. They want to be remembered as gamers in Antegi Daman. If possible, don't. Is there any project that you've done,

that you feel cringed when you see it? Or you regret it? No, Ithat you still cringe when you see it? Or you regret it? You regret it? No, not at all. Because I think it's a process.

Even though I cringe, ...like, what did I do? Do you know your musical.ly video? I know my musical.ly. Everything, rap smash.

Like that.

Like this, right? The one that's shaking. Yeah, like that. I was shaking like this But at that time, you felt like you were cool I was so handsome back then

I know it

I was so handsome I made a video for 2 hours Perfectionist as fuck

He was so cool

I was so cool I was so cool when I saw it now

Don't let my son see it

But you never had a crush on him? Maybe one more time I'm a person. Don't let my kid see it. But you never had a desire in your heart?

One more time?

I tried. Your skill was gone. Your skill set was gone. There's a project you've done, which is not happening anymore, that you want to do it again again now for the sake of nostalgia. Is there anything you miss? You were very cheerful in front of the camera, monologue, or you craft everything, or you stream.

Is there anything you really miss? Not miss, but I haven't got it yet. What is it? Short film. So, I... It's been a long time. I talked to Panda. Krimi Panda.

If... It's been a long time. We're not idealistic anymore. Like that. Usually, I put my idealism in WG. Okay.

In WG. But I want to do a short film. The fun fact, Cok. Yes. We talked about it. My first interaction with Arab in 2016. The first influencer I talked to.

We talked about a short film.

I said...

Oh yeah?

I gave him the script and he gave me an email. I haven't been replied for years. I gave him the script and he gave me an email. I didn't get back from him for years. I waited for the email. Maybe there's still one. Rulia Feri Ruandi 2016. Because I started everything from short films.

I have one script. So, my first project on YouTube, I made four chapters. All of them all short films.

Yes.

The second episode was with Fathia Izzati. The third episode was with Arin Kunto, Eca, and so on. The fourth episode, I only thought of the cast was Arab. Only Arab. In my head, the character was only Arab.

Okay.

Make it.

Make it, huh? Anyway, I have a question. You don't... How do you set up your factory to receive compliments from others? Your career has a lot of people. I'm sure there are people who come to you and tell their personal experience.

Makassia, Bang Arab, all of your works, Keep Me Going, In Hard Times, and so on. Do you accept such compliments?

I can't.

Oh yeah?

I can't.

Is it easier to accept it or praise? Praise. So it's similar.

Same? Same as me. I'm like that too.

If I'm praised, I don't know what to do. I can't. You can. Oh, I see. I just have to say thank you. Thank you. But it's a template, right? Yes, it's a template. Thank you. What makes you uncomfortable, Rap? Just because you shouldn't, you feel like you shouldn't.

Not just because you shouldn't, but because you shouldn't. What makes you uncomfortable, Jok? Praise. For example, sometimes people... My dog is praising himself. The point is they are grateful for the content. When I made the content, I didn't think it would have such a big impact on them.

I didn't know how to act. Besides the template? Besides the template. I didn't know what to do. So, you never felt burdened that there are many people who depend on their lives, economically, career-wise, or whatever, with you? No.

For example, A'Aklan himself, there are many people working behind him, not just his talent, but his crew, his brand as well. There's also the brand of the athlete. Did that ever become a burden? Like, damn, I'm taking a lot of people's lives. No, because... Oh, this is what happened yesterday when I wrote the script. When I wrote the script, I burned out.

So, during the process of writing the process, I vomited four times. I vomited water. Without drinking coffee. I burned out so bad that I vomited water. Then, I burned out. The first thing I did was to check GPT. Why did I check GPT?

It's a bit silly. To feel the creativity again. No, to know what I am, why I am, and what I have to do. And we do... You don't do that, Cok? Yes, several times. I asked, what Luvi gonna do?

But I don't do that. But it's okay. If... What Luvi gonna do? If he were stressed out over words and feel... He won't feel it. Okay. The first answer is talk to his friend.

I cried. I was so nervous. I was so nervous. Why? Because I was there by myself. My friends told me, if you need anything, just tell me.

If you need anything, just tell me. What made you not share the burden to your friends? Because I don't want them to focus on acting. I don't want them to think about the weight of a movie progress. How to make the script. I want them to focus on acting.

Focus on acting, focus on learning acting class, focus on that while I'm directing you. I don't want them to know the chaos, the chaos inside. Logistic, details. Yes, details. I don't want them to know.

And then you tell them? I videoed myself and sent it to the main group. I said, I'm sorry. I haven't told you anything. I was so excited. There was still a video. One day I will release it. I cried so much.

I said, I'm sorry. I have a lot of people. I'm sorry. I wanted to cry. And their reaction? Like that. They like giving moral support. That's why, from yesterday, if there's something, we tell it to ourselves. But where does the feeling of not sharing the burden come from? Is it you or why do you not want to share the burden to people you consider close.

Where does it come from? Because they're in the movie, they're playing, they've never acted before. They just learned acting, they don't know what kind of movie it is. So, I think, let them focus on the acting, they don't need to know that. But I mean, you consider them that far, it means you have a deep emotional connection with your talents, right?

With your friends, right? With the founders. You have a close connection with the founders. Do you really have that much loyalty? It's not just a matter of work, right? No.

It's the same as you, Coki. And you're playing with problems. Don't. My reputation as a dark joke will be ruined. That's a bad insult. That's a bad insult.

Because he's nice.

That's a bad insult. You can't backbite him.

You can't. I heard bad people. You can't be a bad person. You can't.

I heard what you said. That's exactly what Coki's reflection is. He doesn't want to make people suffer, so he makes people suffer.

Yes.

Because his sense of care is so big. But what's your endgame? You still have your hunger. But when enough is enough?

No, I will never get enough.

Nice.

No, I won't. What is your endgame?

Family.

Okay, settle there. No, as a person who still has a family now. It's different from you two. It's not the endgame, but it's one of the chapters I've never touched. The arc I've never touched.

What is this?

Let me explain first. When you have a family, it will never end. You start a new world. That's what I mean. And maybe you already feel it now. You've been here before.

How about, I think, you still have to move on to the other side. Your car is not only you. And when you want to do something, like you said, when you see musical.ly, you think, how will my kids watch it? There are a lot of things like that.

And when people ask me what I do, they ask, why are you brave enough to do this? I say, the reason is simple. I die, my kids see all my documentaries, and they say, my dad is cool. And that's a the drive is huge. It became a new fuel, right? The only one.

The only fuel. Because that's why I'm very... I die now, it's fun. I die now, looking for my name, against TNI general. It's cool, right? And I'll continue it, continue, it will be closed.

So, family is not a barrier or a last stop. This is also a rare question. With you.

What is it again?

You, the old you and the new you, you must have grown up. Everyone here. Everyone must have grown up. What is the difference between the Arab five years ago and the Arab of now?

What is the difference that you can say that you are the same as you are now? I have a follow up question after this. And maybe a little sensitive. What makes the difference is my way of solving the problem.

Oh, that's interesting.

My way of solving the problem. What makes a difference is how I deal with problems. Oh, that's interesting. How I deal with problems. So, back then I... I can't talk here.

I want to answer.

I move alone, the trash bin is moving. Yes, here, the enemy is The Midlap. So, if you have a lot of sun tattoo here, you want to go to the ferry. But, what's the difference? The way I handle the problem,

I used to be a chatterbox. I'm not like... I'm more like... I talk faster. I don't think too much. The rest is... when I lost someone,

or when I was left behind, or when someone left me, I was in chaos. You're possessive with your friends. I was in chaos. I was like a dog.

But now, if you go, if you betray me, go ahead. Please, choose your path. If you reach that point, the important thing is you don't eat at the same table with me.

Okay.

Now, people think that Arab people have a wild ego. Really. I admit it. You used to try to deny it for several reasons. No, I'm not like that. But I'm like this. Now, do you aim for it? Yes. What do you mean?

Do you admit it? My ego? Yes. Really. Really. And you try to... Do you want to get a discount or what?

Oh, of course.

If the reason is...

reasonable? reasonable or there's a better consideration, I'll consider it. But if it's not at my level, I don't need it. Usually, the one who can...

who can match my argument is... If it's not Jod, it's Cynthia. You want to go first? I'm like, damn, that makes sense. Damn, that makes sense. Okay.

Which one do you listen to more? The explanation that makes sense or the emotional closeness of the person who said it? Both. If the person is not close... But it makes sense, do you listen to it? Oh, okay.

Fair. People have their own preferences. The message will come. Maybe we are getting into sensitive things.

Sikas. You've been so smooth. Maybe we're getting into sensitive stuff. Guys.

You've been so smooth. You're Malacca.

Sorry.

Sikat Fair.

You two have a lot of enemies on the internet, right? Why do I have one? I'm sensitive.

You even had a fight. Yes.

I'm a newbie on the internet. I was just a money-seeker. How did you deal with people? With some of your friends or exes? Why? Back in 2018, it was the era of Arab vs Eric Colim.

I remember that. The news was good. I was good too Eric Olim. I remember it. You had a good diss, Rap. I was good too.

It was good.

Can people rap? It was fun. It was a pity that it was in the yellow dollar. 10 million views in the yellow dollar. It was a pity.

Arab was happy.

That was the example. Now you can hang out with him. How do you face the differences and beef like this? That is different from now. Age is mature now. Before, it was very neat. You did maintenance for a few, but not for others.

How do you face it? You're a very busy person. You're in maintenance, some are not. How do you face it all this time? And the most intense one, who you're with,

and how do you resolve it?

If it's now, I've talked about it during streaming. I'm 38 now, I'm pushing 40. Fuck, whatever. If you think I'm wrong, just tell me,

talk face to face, like me and Young Lex, like me and Coki, talk face to face. You're a dog, you're a dog, you're a bastard, and so on. I will be the first one, I don't need you first, I'll be the first one to apologize.

Okay. If there's... If it's like what happened with Tepe. It's too difficult. The context is too far. The explanation is too far. It's too long. It turns out that beef is created because it lacks cognitive. The impact is big.

Yes.

These friends are overthinking. We were These guys are overthinking. We were talking about something else. We were talking about something else. Overthinking. I want to know your follow-up after hearing all of this. Don't be like,

I'm just joking. Mind-blowing. How was the follow-up after this? The follow-up action after this? The follow-up... If I'm using my ego, I won't follow-up first.

If I'm using my ego, but... Maybe, I'll just wait for the right timing. I don't have to make it.

Yeah, you're right.

Unless I'm as big as Young Lex. I'm really big with Young Lex. So, I have to be in the middle with Uus. Shout out to Uus. Uus is the best. Uus is a mediator of people's problems.

And also many problems of friends. But, shout out to Uus. So, if we meet, if not, just forget it. I know, until now, I still realize there are some names that I can't mention. I'm sure they feel the same way.

But... I've never said this. It's okay. It's expensive. I'll say this. Maybe you're someone who's mad at me. maybe in any part, just let me know. That's the first thing. If possible, you can let me know what I'm wrong about.

But don't forget, guys, I've never eaten people. I've never... It's not in my head, I'm mean to people. I forgot in that part. We used to work together. We worked together. You worked with me, we talked together.

I was a bad person. Or, as simple as I made a scenario to be a bad person.

That's it

Don't forget that part So, whoever is out there I'm pretty sure they know what I mean I just want to say sorry first I'm just being for real You're old now

I'm old

It's better to make money together. That's it. I agree with what you said. The more we go here, whether you like it or not, we need each other.

Right. As big as my ego that Very said, we still need someone.

Right.

Because you have experienced a lot of things like that. I haven't reached you yet. Don't reach me. I mean, I mean, but... It's crazy. I don't know what you're talking about. But you've never experienced what I'm talking about.

Yes, that's right. We all have our own problems. Yes. But, what's the limit? What's the limit in your opinion?

What's the Arab moral compass? What the fuck is that?

Yes, what's your moral compass? What's your limit? Until, okay, I don't want to do it. Because this is a follow-up question from you said you never hurt people. So, I assume your limit is you will never hurt people. Is there any other moral compass limit that you think, okay, I won't do this.

To other people.

What? If it's Coki,

Coki has a friend that he can just lose.

Yes.

For me, there are bridges that I can burn.

For engagement.

Okay.

Because I'm not that close to that person. Oh, shit. He's a typical person. If he's already trusted with someone, he will help that person as much as he can. But for certain people that I consider my family,

I'm willing to die for them. So, you two are the same. You're lovers. So, for me, as long as you still touch me, I don't mind. It's okay. You can do whatever you want to me. But not my crew. Well, for me, my quote from the past,

maybe the kids know this, I never limit my friendship or conversations with people, or how I should be with someone. Never. That's why I can be very chill to be in someone's content or to talk to someone.

And I never cared about... the public's stigma, because people know me like this. But there's one thing I can't betray. Betraying, being betrayed, being stabbed from behind, those are things I can't touch. If you're my friend, if you're being attacked, I won't step on you.

I might kick you hard, but I won't... It's private, but... Suddenly, washing... What is it? Washing hands, and talking. I won't do it. I won't wash my hands and say, I won't do it. Even though it's the worst thing you can do. We go down with the ship.

That's my moral code. I'm almost like you. Yes, because we're the same. So, when Malacca happened, actually, the nine people mostly didn't know each other.

Didn't know each other. Different markets too. Jerome and Coki were in the same department. Suddenly, there was the assumption of district, Dea Nugrah, people who were in the movement.

There was also Kania Cita. It was really not in the same circumstances. But they had the same code. About how... you behave with others. That's why it's suitable. If you're alone...

I can do anything bad. But for this, I won't. I won't steal my friend. That's the moral code. You're the same, right? And you can't forgive people who did that to you?

Oh, shit. Mostly, I feel hurt not only by people I know. I mean, if they treat me badly, I'll just let it go. But I really feel hurt when I look up to people. Okay, sure. Sure. I was looked up by them.

Then...

Why did you do this to me? What? What can I do to fake this? Until today. Until today. People I looked up to, I really looked up to them. Shit, why did you do that to me?

Just say it.

Okay.

So, yeah. Shit, why are you doing this to me? Just say it. Okay. So, the problem is the boundaries. If it's not someone, then don't give a fuck. I've been on a podcast with your crew. Who? The guys from TPE.

I want to ask you, I don't know if you've been asked this before. I want to know your emotional closeness with the names I mentioned in your crew. So, the rate is from 1 to 10? Yes. How close? You can use the rate, whatever you want.

We start with Niko.

Niko, 9.

Oh, nice. He was my first employee in IOO. Okay. Since 2013. Okay, the founders are the last ones, because we already know the answer.

TP?

I can tell... Seven?

Seven. Okay. Seven is a very good number, actually. Alloy? Damn, I'm basically a bad guy. Okay, so you Aloy? I basically love her. Okay, so you're not...

Eight. Eight. I basically love her.

Okay.

We're not that close, but I love her as a sister.

Okay.

Then, Yuka.

Yuka...

Seven. Seven. Seven. Fair enough. Gery?

Nine. You've been with Nico for nine times? Because you were my first two co-workers.

Yeah.

So I used their car. I still ride a motorcycle. I'm the owner of EO, but I still use their car. It was just so stupid for me to think about it now.

It's's crazy.

I assume Jod is 9. Jod? 10. Who else? Brevi. Brevi is 8.

Don't skip, Coki. Who else? How many did I mention? Previ8 Oh Previ8

Don't skip, Coki Who else? How many did I mention?

Who? Is that all?

Not yet

Ibot?

Oh yeah, Ibot. Oh my god, what the fuck Ibot, Ibot Ibot Ibot, I think 7 because it's not too... I mean, it's not too emotional Not too attached, how is it? Not yet, not yet I think 7, because I'm not too emotionally attached.

Not yet, not yet.

Okay.

Same as TPE, even though TPE is old, but I'm not too emotionally attached. How far do you let yourself be close to your crew personally? Do you put boundaries there? Yes, but they don't know about it. They don't know how much. What are your considerations when you put boundaries to emotional closeness?

For professional purpose or... Intuition. Because of experience of being betrayed in Eclipse. That's me. I'm not saying, I betrayed you. No, that's my ego.

No, it's a joke.

It's a joke.

Coki Pardede is back.

Damn it. But did you intentionally set boundaries? Actually, no. But the ones who set boundaries are them. They are the ones who are shy. Okay.

They don't know what to do. They need permission. Sometimes, you don't need everything, you just need permission. That's the nature. The nature of a leader. I don't want to be considered a leader. It's tiring. It's hard. People with your IP name are already Arab.

They're already Arab. In the community, in the human, it's not because you want to be considered, they need it. And we also need it. You also need someone who can lead you later. Or whatever, in any form, spectrum, whatever. Because, for example, in the same project,

you do something, where should I go? But I'm curious, at your lowest point, what do you remember that keeps you going? What's your grip, Rap? When you're at your lowest point. Besides the GPT, I assume.

What was your attitude when you were at the lowest point? Because he's unique. He's willing to do a lot for people who are considered family. But he doesn't want to share the burden. So, when you were at the lowest point What keeps you going? Fuck, I made a video with Cia yesterday

And it's the same

It's a question? No, it's a question, the answer is the same So, I I'm a Naruto fan, right?

Yes

I hate One Piece

Back then?

Yes

What was it? Fish?

Dogs?

Yes They're like fish, they dog, the way they suck people, the shape of the fish, the shape of the animal. It's like that. It's not clear. Then I thought to myself, I will watch One Piece if my life is really chaos. And it's really broken. It's really broken.

It's really broken. Why did really broken. I was really broken. I was really broken. And you decided to watch One Piece? Yes.

And the effect?

Live as a traitor. Here I am right now. Have you read the latest capture? No, I haven't. Don't spoil it.

No, I have to. Why did you spoil it? You're not valid since you started copying Jambi.

He's more like jumping.

I have to give a spoiler. About the anime, about Manga, I'm a villain. So, when we were discussing Jujutsu Kaisen, Goto, who's the one who doesn't like it? Gojo, Gojo, Gojo Sitorus Why Gojo? It's Sitorus

Wrong, wrong

That's a different clan

Megalomaniac, you bastard Ebi is mad at me That's why this is the latest spoiler The latest chapter It's really cool

I told you This is the newest chapter. It's so cool.

I told you.

Next question. It's more jumping. Next question, maybe you can relate. When you're in the lowest position, who's the first person you call? I know.

This is not legal. No, no. I follow him. Yes. If he's really free, he'll find Roy. Roy.

One of them. I follow his podcast. Because he rarely talks about podcast.

Really?

I'm not even as open as he is. Even though he's the first founder. But not as open. Just recently you. Even though it was their first wonder. But not as open-minded as you. It's only recently. And how important is darkness? I have darkness.

Ferry has darkness. You have darkness. Darkness can be depression, loneliness, or whatever. How important is darkness and good creativity? It has to be. So you intentionally keep your darkness to a certain level so you can be productive in creating your work.

And if so, is that killing you slowly? Yes. There are some parts that I keep. Will there be a time when you get rid of the darkness? Or you said you still have a hunger, right? Maybe I'm not getting rid of it Maybe I'm shifting to another thing. To another thing. One day.

But not now. One day is a family. I'm still hungry. Did you keep it on purpose? Did you keep the depression on purpose? Yes.

It's not the depression. Whatever it is. But the dark side is... I still give myself space. Like watching videos... I'm like that.

But this is censored. I'm like that. There are some sides of us that... People don't know. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA What's your take on the clinical diagnosis? He said, it's very bad. But will you ever seek professional help? I have.

You have?

Until there's a prescription? Yes. If I may know, and you don't mind sharing with us, what's your clinical diagnosis?

I have acute depression. It must be severe.

Have you ever... What was the last test? Yes, that one. Have you ever... I... My weakness is...

If it's not my friend, the person who tried to probe me, I considered it's not enough. And you person who tried to probing me, I considered it as a failure. And you always like, you must be coming here. Yes. So I… I know, I guess.

Right.

And you never do it. So I never do it. Every time I want to do it, I love it. So I don't feel that's a problem. Don't tell me my head is not a problem. Don't tell me my head is a problem, I have to seek professional help.

And don't let when I go there, it's him who is stressed. Because I feel like, what we censored earlier, the darkness inside, sometimes you need it. I'm curious, Do I need it?

You should have it. Even last night, Jod asked me to find a hobby. I don't have a hobby. I don't have a simple thing like that. So, if I'm at the gym, my head is like... It's noisy.

Try to enjoy the videos I mentioned earlier. I was like... My head was like... It was noisy? Yes, it was. Try to watch the videos I mentioned earlier. I was asked to do it before. But I didn't.

No?

If I did it, I would be a psychopath.

That's funny.

But maybe you have to find something to absorb it. But I don't know. But you were inside. You have experienced the dark. I mean, things that are universally accepted by people. I am more curious about how you handle it to be a creativity.

How you handle it to be something productive. And you keep it.

I am happy here.

It's hard. Usually, in other shows, it's just like that Because you're the one who came That's why we researched first We don't need to research

You're so big

You're so big Do you know? Dr. Tirtan came here to talk about health Tomorrow, he'll eat 4 molens

He's stressed because of Pichoki

He said, damn it

Your question first Back to the darkness Because He was eating the stress of the Pcoki I was like, what the hell?

Back to the darkness

Jumping, jumping Your boss is stupid

I was thinking

You're raising him, and it's visible, right? You mean it's really visible? It's visible, Rap. Where? No, I think it's not. I think it's because we're both depressed.

We must acknowledge that we're both depressed. It's actually just intuition, Rap. Like we know something because we experience it. So we've been kissed for one kilometer. Oh, this is depression. This is happiness.

Happiness is crazy. But I'm sure, you just answer honestly. At this moment, you must have thought that you don't need professional help anymore. Compared to a few years ago. Maybe. Right?

Because I know how to maintain it. Already. At least.

According to you. According to me. I didn't do it on purpose or I just let it go. It's just a general thing. But maybe what I feel the most is Cynthia. Yes.

The people at home. How much I'm annoying them. And how impulsive they are at home. When was the last time you laughed sincerely?

What?

The laugh that's from your heart. When was the last time you laughed from your heart? That's really funny. Damn, it's been a long time How long has it been? A year? If I don't remember, it's been a long time

Wow

Laugh until you're crying Yes, a laugh that let go

I forgot

Years?

When was the last time you checked? Three months ago. I did it this morning. I have a good video. You're so good.

Seriously, Coki. This is a masterpiece.

Yes, later. That's the reason to enjoy the joy. Because, in neuroscience, humans... People don't know the context. If people know, it's like a dog, evil. So, our brain is not designed to keep happiness.

Our brain is designed to keep the happiness, the pain, the sadness, the longing. You must know how you feel sick, but you will forget how happy you were at that time. So, joy, happiness is actually crafted every moment. And we have to e an effort to find it. I'm happy when I go to the office, meet these kids, or play with my kids. Because I want to craft the joy. Or I watch the inspirational videos, I craft the joy.

Okay, I remember.

Nice.

I remember when I was last in Taulapas, I was so happy. It was long before the new year, the kids just hang out at home. I was so happy last year. I was so happy because it was before Marathon. The kids were just at home. So we decided to go to Japan... ...with a sufficient budget. But it created a crazy memory.

And because of Japan, Marathon happened. Okay, I think you've told us about it. In Japan, weathon happened. Season 1. Okay, I think Jot has told you about it. In Japan, we only drank Strong Zero. We all drank it, and we were drunk. I was so drunk that I cried like a baby.

But I screamed, I'm so happy, I'm so happy, I'm so happy. I've never been this happy in my life, and I'm so happy. Like that. And that was a year happy in my life. Like that. And that's been a year. That's my core memory.

Okay, I'm lucky I got triggered. Thank you. And that needs to be kept.

Indeed.

When you have a kid, it's always a core memory. That's why people have a family, for example, when you have a kid, it's a different game. Because it's a core memory. Oh, I'm not happy like this. Okay. That's a very difficult thing.

That's why I need to stimulate things like that. I need a trigger. That's why I look for things that make me happy. What's your biggest fear, Ram? Loneliness? Being forgotten?

It's the same as me.

We're actually the same.

The difference is I don't have a weird genius

Yeah, and I don't have a weird genius

Oh yeah, right, you haven't been found out yet

Good, good, listen, listen

Oh my god

No, no, no

It's a joke, it's a joke

He's a joke, yeah. It's a joke. He's afraid of being forgotten.

But, what? Being afraid of being forgotten is true. People like us, if we're like us, I think we're at the level of Arab. People like me, it's hard. We're afraid of being forgotten. If our jokes as comedians are like this,

people who are looking for a slap from others, they won't find it if they're being hugged at home. Because my job, especially on stage, we're on stage, we're crafting jokes, and then the reaction to my jokes is people are slapping. Then we make it on Instagram, people like it.

Those are actually approvals that if we have enough at home, we don't look for it in strangers. I see it like that. So, at least I, at that time, now I don't. At that time, there was something that I couldn't get in my closest circle. Until I found it with attention in the context of my work. So, for example, I go up on stage, someone knocks me down,

saying, you're so cool, and all that. That's what's inside. I see. I didn't know that. Yes. Which is actually, if the support system is right, we don't have to look far to book a ballet cartini. Then there are people who buy tickets and then knock it.

Actually, I used to be like that. Now I'm already ... Actually, I'm not complaining. Actually, now it's enough to be praised. I was once knocked by 3,500 people at my special show. It just disappeared overnight. Like, the adrenaline just went down. But if you're praised by your closest person, it's enough.

I just need to screenshot it. But you said it's just a back and forth with what you said earlier. If you don't like to be praised too. But my reaction was like,

oh, you're a jerk.

But I'm happy. But the feeling is happy. But our reaction is like, you're a dog. I often... Believe me, the context is serious. Like when you ask people,

why do you still hang out with Coki? He's the most pathetic person I've ever known.

Don't say that.

You're making a bad name, Coki.

Don't say that.

And that's what your friends feel, friends feel when they put their body for you Because, back to the topic Anyway, I have to thank you I don't know if you remember or not But the first time I was involved in the rape case of Babi Kurma I remember that Daddy once told me

You are one of the people who DMed Daddy Kobusya And you said, please, please, Coki and Muslim

What the fuck?

Deddy said that

Me?

Yes, and here's the thing, my Instagram has been deleted 5 times Because I've been canceled a lot One of the... Have you ever DM me? When I was in a pork case The point is support

Huh?

Yes, man Seriously, once. Back then, one of my teachers said, Coki, you should be in jail. It's not enough.

You should be handcuffed.

Yes, it was...

There's nothing wrong with that for me.

It's okay. But, whether you remember it or not, we were talking, I just wanted to say thank you. But maybe those are the moments you won't remember. Because you genuinely feel that way. The daily things you do. Maybe. Like the DM I said earlier.

On Twitter. Usually, when you're a netizen... I was a bad netizen. Yes. I was a bad netizen. What do you mean? The comments attacked people. After I got subscribers,

I deleted them. But one of them was not deleted.

Which one?

Gold digger prank David Beat. I left a comment there. It was a top comment. When I was a bad netizen. I said, I'm ***. I'm so handsome. David Bid sent me a message. Fer, this is your comment, right?

I said, oh God. I'm not a friend. But at that time, Arab responded. I have a short film. I was still a script writer. I didn't have a YouTube channel.

Just send me an email, bro.

I was like, wow, that's crazy.

What is he doing? Is he going to answer me? I told that story to Tepe until now. He was the first influencer who responded to me. And the weird thing is, the circle is so close. I and Arap. And it's only now on one table. Yeah, Cia, Alika.

You, Cia. I was considered a circle. I mean, our manager was once with me.

Yes.

Managing Nagung. Nagung and Fatia, I was connected. And the only one, the closest moment was when Donny's birthday. I didn't meet him. Then people asked, you don't want to meet Harap?

He's a Sooner or Later fan. But he's a Sooner or Later fan for 5 years.

Why?

I'm close to him. Since long ago? Since long time ago? Since long time ago, I know him We never connected Do you have a name that you really want to connect with him But the time and opportunity doesn't allow?

Name, one name, in Indonesia No, I don't have So you're all connected? No, not yet What do you think about Big Mo? What do you think about Big Mo? I think he's a good guy.

He's a good guy.

He's a good guy. He's a good guy. He's a good guy. He's a good guy. One of them is Big Moe.

What do you think about Big Moe? Whatever. He can do whatever he wants.

It's like everyone is here. Whatever. That's it. How do you get your radar?

Radar?

You must have a radar. Okay, you finally acknowledge it. I'm just curious. Maybe this represents the question of people who consider you as... God.

God.

No, this is...

Like, Perry, earlier, the first influencer who reached out and all that. This happens a lot. Do you know, bro? You're the first one to do this. you're the first one to do this. You're the first one to do that.

So, I don't know. I don't understand. So, the moral of the story is that he forgot. I don't understand how to get on my radar. And what do I hope for when I'm on it? That's one. If I'm connected, it's destiny. It's not because of me. No.

There must be a reason. But in your face, I saw some Arabs. Right.

Yes.

Right. Bas. Yes, that's right. Yes. That's right. Sometimes, Arabs can describe it clearly. Arabs who have more fears. Yes. I'm being fair.

Yes.

Now, it's...

How many?

We need to know. For example, I need a real Arab. You see, there's a new creator, his name is Big Mo. From your point of view, what is your relationship with him? What does he have to do? There are two questions, right?

Yes, there are two questions. What is the most risky for him? What is the same with you and him? And how? Because he looks up to you. I didn't know about that. I don't know. I met him once. With his way. Except for the hiccups. The similarity is maybe, earlier. The hunger. The hunger is the same.

The hunger is the same. But the way is, maybe not everyone can accept what they are doing. And just know your enemy. Yeah, it's very wise And just know your enemy. That's all. Yeah, it's very wise.

It's actually very wise.

Because you don't know who you're talking to. You don't know who... Yeah, sure. I understand. And you've been hit, right?

Not yet.

You've been hit.

Yeah, but it's not that bad. It's not that bad.

No, man.

But, I think people who are valid to give... People who are valid to give... Suggestions. Opinions like this are people who were baptized by fire. Yes. Because he was baptized by fire in the past.

In the context that he got through it and survived. Ferry was baptized by fire. In the context that he got through it and survived. Ferry was baptized by fire. You were baptized by fire. I was baptized by fire.

The video is everywhere.

I was baptized by fire. So, what makes our conversation heavy, is not because we are smart. If we are smart, it's debatable. Because the benchmark is subjective. But because we've get through it.

What's your advice for people who want to follow your footsteps? What...

My footsteps?

Yes, because you're on top. Everyone will see you. Yes, look up. If you look up, there are money, fame, etc. We won't talk about that. What's not good when you're up there? Other than loneliness and other things. What's waiting for you up there?

What's the dark side? The dark side?

The one you look up can be your enemy. Don't meet your hero.

And your closest one is the worst enemy. So, set the boundaries. Just don't get too close. That makes you picky with your friends? Right now? Right now. People you consider as your friends, below 5, above 5?

Below 5.

Okay, fair enough.

Below 5. Even your own partner, if you decide to settle down, will you let him see the real Arab or you set boundaries as well? Partner in the context of life partner, right? I mean partner. Not me, but he has to know my environment. He has to know my environment.

He has to know who is my business partner, who is my best friend, who I lock up, who is my agent. He has to know that. Not me. He has to know that. Not me. Because...

He can see me from them. Not directly from me.

Okay.

Because I have so many stories. I'm sorry. I want to say this. Stories that wow. Stories that I never confirmed. Or I never confirmed it is true or not. For me, if you are from one side, then go ahead.

For a couple, it looks like they are from the closest person to me. My question is, back to Arab and Coki, you guys are men who are 40 years old, right?

Nonsense. Back to you, besides Arap and Coki. You guys are men reaching 40, right? Bullshit.

We're old, Arap. No. We're old.

Men start their life when they're 40. Right. I agree with that. I agree. So you don't look old, you idiot. Do you agree or not? We'll see.

It depends on your question. Back to you, you're going to 40. That's a different game from 20 to 30. I'm in the middle of 30 now. I haven't felt it yet. This is something I've never felt.

It means your physique has changed. Your endurance has changed. Moreover, your work is both... requires energy and stamina. Because it's mostly at night. Yes. Jogging and running. How do you maintain this? What are you most worried about at your age that you're heading towards 4?

That you can't do now. Interesting. For me, while I'm waiting for the processing, for me, what I'm worried about is how far I'm willing and strong

to tap into the relevance of the next generation. Oh, shit.

Because I think...

Well, you have to. Sorry. Why do you have to. Sorry, I cut it. Why do you have to force yourself to be relevant? Okay, continue. Because in the context of my work, it's communication. Especially comedy. Comedy, one of the main pillars is relevancy.

So you can still craft something funny, but if you reference it, Comedy is one of the main pillars is relevancy. So, you can still craft something funny. But, if your reference is people in the early 2000s, our reference is not moving, but the time is moving, the names that we use as reference for our comedy, are stuck in that time.

The problem is, the is always moving forward. So, when I talk, because when we talk about comedy, comedy is all about referencing what's happening at that time. What's going to be the talk of the town at that time. So, my fear is actually, I honestly, until now, I don't know how far I, as a Coki Pardede, my individual and endurance,

strong to stay relevant in the context of reference, so that what I offer to them will still connect. Is it stressful? Oh, of course. Honestly, I feel like if there is another social media, I don't think I can do it anymore. I think I'm stuck in TikTok.

If there's another one, I have to adapt again. I have to understand it again. Because every... Ara must know this. Every social media and platform has its own behavior. X has its own behavior.

Instagram has its own behavior. TikTok has its own behavior. If there's another one, I don't know how long I can tap into that relevance. For example, the funny thing about you, when you're on stage, and you say, does anyone know Whitney Houston?

People will be like, it's a niche, right? The market will be a niche. Because comedian and relevance are very aligned. Dave Chappelle, you name it. All the big comedians. Mark Norman, even... Oh, I forgot the name.

The point is, people still push themselves to be aware of what's happening. They're in the team. Yes, they're and their team. You don't have to do it alone. I'm a backstabber. To be relevant for me,

to be relevant for myself, to be relevant is to be irrelevant. Why do I have to follow something? Why don't they accept me? It's not so cocky, but... I'm like TikTok. I just opened it recently. Recently?

Yes, just a few months ago. I never opened it before. But I understand why you hope it's like that. I've never done a strong or a weak one. But I understand why Arab is like that. Because we have different scenario. We have a big umbrella of art. But my generation is a comedy that is communication.

And if it's communication, it can only be done when we're in the same boat. If he's a song, if the song is you can make your own genre. That's universal.

Even the song like Hipdut. Who would have thought that Hipdut... I did. No, one of... I even tweeted. That time...

I was criticized so bad. It was a week after the release. I said, Garamadu is so good. Oh, I agree. Garamadu is so good. Shout out to TenZy and his friends.

I shared it to... I uploaded it to TikTok. It was scroll. Swipe. Garamadu is so good. I was criticized so much. They said,

your songs are good but your music taste is bad. That's what I said. Until the point where Brian, Rich Brian, read my tweet. Because he read my tweet, he listened to it.

And he said, it's good. What are you talking about? For me, it's good? This is something new? And it's proven,

they want Ami.

Yeah.

What can I do?

Yeah.

It's not viral. Yeah, sure. Maybe because... It's not relevant. Yeah, whatever. The important thing is the song is good.

The song itself is good. I understand. So, in my opinion, it's like what I said before. Being relevant is... Thank you, man. Being relevant is being irrelevant. They make something by themselves.

Sure.

And it happens. That's why, Fer, in America, the kiblat, in America, it's like the mecca of stand-up comedians. There are many suicidal stand-up comedians. Because they chase their relevance. Matt Rife? No.

Because he's still young. He's handsome. I was already in contact with him. Then what? What happened? I was in LA, he was in New York. We were in contact. I said, come to my show.

But it was like, 8 hours. The flight was 5 hours, the journey was 3 hours I couldn't do it, I said, man, I can't make it I was at the studio station Fuck, it would be so cool if I could make it Mad life, right?

I was invited by him Damn, it's already 1.40 PM That's normal here

Yeah, it's fun

I'm not jealous

He was too jealous to go home It was fun. I wasn't jealous. He wasn't going home. Because Mikasa was hurt. But I have to say this. Ferry and I are people who have a limit in dealing with people. If people are not funny, we can only do it for an hour. For example, Joky. I can't say it.

You can see how long it takes.

But the fact is, it's 1 hour and 40 minutes. Because Arab is funny. Shout out to Arab. I like to see him uncomfortable, I just praise him. If you want to roast him, don't say it. If you say it, it's comfortable.

Just praise him. His face is like, I'm ticklish.

Yes.

There are many times. You are sensitive, right? You have experienced many circle changes. You said I want to pee first. It's okay. It's normal here. Can I?

Yes. Even guest stars do that. In every change of your circle, some of them keep in contact with you, some don't. Do you ever feel like,

I want to fix things that are not fixed by them? I don't mention which circle, but I think I'm too old for this. Or do you want to be like this is how good we are. Some yes, some no. Some yes I want to fix, but some also, stay where you are. This is how good we are.

Yes. But when you say change the circle, actually no. Niko and Gary, from the for a long time. Jod has been friends for a long time. They just reconnected because of the game. Jod and Gary, after they finished their studies, they came back to me.

So, we've been friends for a long time. You've been friends with Jod for a long time?

Yes.

Aloy, we just reconnected. But, we've been other for a long time. So, I don't think I'm going to change my circle. I don't think I'm going to change my circle. But, in public, people see you like that. You're like this, you're like that.

But, actually, your inner circle is still the same. Yes, it's still the same. What do you think, for example you now, seeing the Arab you were before, what is the worst part? The worst part is, back then I was impulsive, there's no place for impulsive. It's not necessarily like that. There are many things.

So, I have to deal with many things. Many things, many people. But it's what shape me. I can't say that…

Regret?

It's what shape me until now. And that became your improvement material? Of course. Because people are shaped by the shape of the shape of the shape. Right. He's a street, smart street.

He's the biggest teacher of the street. Where he's wrong, he learned a lot from there. But it means there is a support system that reminds you of that, if you can't stop. Oh no, no. There is no, he just had to ask the CGPT first, then share it to the main group that there is a burden that is too heavy. Yes, if you ask who is there you They'll say, don't stop working

No, no one will say that No one will say that I'm like, I'm texting I'm texting with all the thoughts in my head I said, how about I stop making music?

Okay

And he said, whatever is best for you, I support. Don't say that Eka wants. Don't control yourself. It's not like that.

I think it's good.

And Eka answered like that? He answered like that and the next day I was like, Sorry, I was drunk last night. And Eka must understand. No, E I want that.

Yes.

No, I want when he chats but he's not drunk.

So he can say yes.

Sure.

So he won't... If you're a joker, why don't you stop? Because I think in the end, this is part of my identity. Without all of this, I'm nobody. This is not my only identity, but it's already part of Coki Pardede.

So if I don't continue this job, there's a part of me that's gone. Coki Pardede is many things. If we make percentages, how many percent is Coki Pardede family man? How many percent is Coki Pardede is many things. If we make percentages, Coki Pardede is family man, how many percent? Coki Pardede is a good friend, how many percent? Coki Pardede as a comedian and as a performer, how many percent? If I stop doing this,

there is a loss. If I make a cake, there is a big part that is lost from me. So, I am a part of many things. And because this is me, I won't stop. Because this is part of me. So, if I stop doing this, there's a void. And I haven't found what to fill this void. Pedal? I don't think so. I don't think so.

But the point is, this is part of me. It's fun to know. Yes, it's fun. You're baiting me to fight with the Spedel community.

So we can fight.

Because I've been too much in tune with a stand-up comedian. For me, I feel that. It's part of me. So, telling me to stop being a comedian is like turning off a part of me. So, Coki Pardede is one of the pillars of a stand-up comedian. So, I won't stop.

When you were in chaos, did you think, okay, I'll just stop everything? Oh, yes. I think to stop everything, not because I'm tired, but I already understand that in that situation... You mean stop working? Oh yes, no, no. I was a gas station. But I had to stop.

Because if I was still in that condition, I would have been a ball that couldn't be saved. So I just... I just took a deep breath. I fixed some things that could be fixed. After I got better, I went back to the ring.

I just stopped for a while. So, it was like a temporary stop. With your old condition? Yes, with that condition, I needed to recover from rehabilitation. No, no, with your dark jokes, it's still like that? Oh, still, but now there's more control. Before, there was no.

Yes, that's right. Before, it was loose cannon.

I have one question for you, Fairy.

It's okay.

It's okay. It's okay.

With your image of your being, you know, hero, hero, or whatever. Do you have any fear? Like, if I make one mistake, you will be destroyed. I rarely answer honestly. But if you ask like that, yes. Because there is hope from people. That's why I asked Kahil.

Because there is hope from people. That's what makes me take care of what I do, what I say, and what I have to say. But there is one thing I said earlier, my code that I will never let go. I will be friends with whoever. I don't care what your problem is. I don't care how bad you look. Once you're my friend, you're my friend. And I will, as long as you're not wrong, I will defend you.

In Malacca, all the people are just human.

Yes, that's right.

But I will never step on their head. But on the other hand, it must be controlled. I mean, not for... Because sometimes people... I don't want to position myself like that at the beginning. Because I do what I think I have to do.

But at the end of the day, I can't close my eyes if the effect is that big. If the effect is that big. If the effect is that big, and sometimes, if you have someone who says, his life changed because of you and all that, you separate that. I didn't do anything.

At first, I was like that. But eventually, when I knew the person who quit school, and now he's in second year at Harvard, because of watching my content, or the person whose life was destroyed because of the clinic. And now his father can be treated.

I started to feel there was a moment that I was like, I don't need to look at it like this. There's a responsibility here. And you're right. One mistake will destroy me, but I will accept it. And it can happen. It can really happen. And that means I end but I will accept it. And it can happen and it can happen.

And that means I end there. That's it. And I don't regret what I did. I'm curious, Rap. Have you ever thought, if you die, who will be the one crying the most? Have you ever wondered? Have you ever wondered, whether you're drunk or alone,

when your head is so noisy, have you ever thought, because we're all going to die, right? Have you ever thought, if I die in my grave, I'm curious, who will really feel my loss? No, I'm just curious who laughs the loudest.

But he still came.

And he laughed?

And he laughed. Interesting.

And there are some names that... You're suspecting. Are you sure? They will be banned from coming. My kids have been caught.

Interesting.

It's not about crying, because I want to... One thing, Amit Amin. Yes. I want to... I'm sure I'm sad. But I want everyone to be happy.

They're happy too. Even if they're sad. But there are some names that I know Who will make me laugh? The one who laughs the most So, if I say, Rap, one of your darkness is you are a good avenger

I also tend to agree with you, Ver Because I'm a very good avenger. And a very good avenger can be very patient.

That's right.

I have to say... But, if you're like that, I don't see... If people know me and Coki, I'm much darker. That's right.

The Fer that you're now,

that's me when I was... No I'm in the dark.

I mean the darkness. No, you dog. But I can hold a grudge against people. And that's what I'm trying to... I'll call the kids. I'm trying not to be a revenge. That's what you're trying to... I'll call the kids in. Wait. I'm trying to not be a vengeance. That's what you're trying to prevent.

That's what I'm trying to prevent. Because I don't want to be the old me. Because that's... the Choky Pardede that I've locked up, locked up and never come out again. Because being a good vengeance...

is not good for you. You're the one who's not good for it? The feeling of revenge? The answers are obvious. He hasn't confirmed it. Are you a good avenger? Or are you actually not an avenger? I'm not an avenger.

There's no such thing as an avenger.

There's no such thing as an avenger. Making a list of people who laugh, what's the story? How do you tell a joke like that? But if they're... ...the one who came and... ...they're a jerk. I think they're a jerk. And you keep telling stories.

You say I'm a good person, you're a jerk. That's it. Maybe it's not a revenge, it's anger. Actually, Arab is like this. Let me sum up. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it's not a source of anger. Here's the thing. I'll sum it up. I might be wrong. Arabs are easy to... Go ahead, bro.

You should have said that earlier.

Actually, Arabs...

I've been here for two hours. That's why it's fun. How much do you get paid? I just got paid. Actually, Arabs are... It's easy to...

Maybe not easy. He can be angry. But, to mitigate it so he's not angry is easy. Just come, apologize, acknowledge. So, he... Do you understand, Fer? He can be angry with people. He can be angry with people.

But, actually, mitigating is easy. As long as you have... Ref, just approach people. Just approach people and say, Raph, you're wrong. You're a bit of a jerk.

But, like this.

So, it's not a bad offence. It's just an old anger.

Yes.

Yes, right? You can be angry with people and... It's long-lasting. It's long-lasting. But, it's not as horrible as you have the initiative to come and speak your mind in front of him, have the balls to speak in front of him,

then that's it.

If I need to, I don't have a problem with it. Yes, he's actually too tired to hold anger against someone who is actually no longer significant anymore seen from everywhere I don't know It doesn't affect my life And other people's life

I'm not trying to be a pygmy Actually, if the timeline is right If I know him at the right time I can be close to him But we have different timelines What was your brief like? I forgot too, I can be close to him. But we have different timelines. What was your brief at that time?

I forgot too. I was... Don't ask. Whatever I did in 2021 before... But, at that time, you were so big, Rap. No, this is true. At that time, you or Halilintar,

you were at the top. With a different spectrum. With a different spectrum. With a different spectrum, it's above. So, whatever statement came out, nothing personal. Because at that time, the news, the flow,

the wind, everything was to you. So, when we, Guadama Muslim, chose your name to make it as a roasting material, or any material, or the context was, because at that time,

discussing you, and the ease of it, discussing... You understand what I mean, right? Yes, give me another example. Yes, but at that time, you were at the top. But the hatred towards Arab, even I didn't know Arab enough at that time

to hate him personally. But with Atta? After I met him, I was like... He had a different spectrum that I still don't understand. But he's a good person. And we're both mature enough to go there and there.

It's okay. How about you, Anis? I've met him a few times, he's a cool guy. I've never met him. You'll meet him later. He just doesn't want to meet a Muslim. Who?

Anis.

I've met him. He's not a fan. That's crazy. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Or the third question, Arab in a square version. I'm not as close to that as you are. Is that a branding? The three of them.

I can do a podcast with whoever I want. I don't care if it's a big or small podcast. If you want to do it, do it. If not... So, whoever can invite Arab to their podcast, you're considered a great person.

Not like that, Cuki Mai. You are a dog, you've been pointing at me. You are a great person. Not like that, I just want to.

I want to because there's a reason.

Yeah, sure. Whatever it is. Why did you finally accept our podcast offer? Yeah, especially from Ferdy. Why did you accept our offer? We've never met before. Because of TPK, there's a misunderstanding.

And Coki was also a BIF.

We didn't expect it.

I'm curious about Malacca.

What did you think after you saw it? I didn't see it. It was broadcasted.

From your comments.

Oh, that's it. Okay, fair enough. What do you think about the comments? I don't know. They're so eager to watch. Sometimes I'm like, why do you watch it for this long? And the way she talks...

How long have you been with her? Almost the same as Arab. I think the record is with Arap. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Actually, this is a rappel from all the podcasts you didn't come. Yeah. So, everyone is here. This has been your podcast for a year, Rap.

But... Since 2025, you've been coming to podcasts. I think I'm enough. It's podcast time. It's a marathon. So, he's gone on a podcast in 2025. I'll tell you the spoiler. Arak will come back on a podcast for his movie promotion.

Motherfucker.

That's your duty as a director. And you have to answer the questions on the template. Yes. How? Like the question for Coki, there was one. What's the endgame? That's the template. Yes. One more thing, I'm curious about where my skin is.

I want to know.

I'm still... There's still one question, there's one that I can't answer. There was one. Which one? I forgot. There was one. I'm getting more and more forgetful now.

There was one. I'm curious about what can make me go crazy. Crazy. Our goal is not to make you crazy. No, I'm just curious. How crazy you are. How crazy you are.

Actually, what we want to show is that all that fame, all that money, comes with a cost. And the cost is emptiness. So, in my opinion, what you can learn from this podcast, Arab is like this.

But the darkness he endures to get this cost, is like this. And what makes Arab can stay up there, is because he has endurance to withstand this darkness, and this cost. You haven't found out yet, right?

He's a kid So, BNN, this is one of the podcasts on BNN channel Because there's a lot of energy

I think it's impossible to be jealous

You're a dog, you namedropping His energy No, he's a sportsman No, you're close to Celestine No, they won't He won't

Because that's He's not on top

More

Why are we discussing it? Skip, skip. Don't discuss it. But, in my opinion... Is there anything else you're curious about? A lot. That's why...

A lot. The real... We only have one hour for the meat. Oh, right. We'll edit it later. The first part? You're going to make it right away. Just skip to this part.

Nara. I... From your music career, as a gamer, and now you're doing marathon, you're making movies, and all kinds of things. The money you've collected,

it's a lot, right?

Yes. A lot. You have a lot of money, right?

Yes. A lot? Ask Jod. No. Jod said a lot. No, because I'm stupid. Manage the money? That and I don't...

I don't... What was it? I don't want that. Okay. You first. You have everything. Now. Yes, you have everything.

What? Divorce?

Yes.

You can have a family later.

Amen.

You have fame. You have money, you have IP. You don't think you will get old. And they run away. You see their faces. Niko, Tepe.

If you don't have money, just go. Okay, so the question is this. From your assumption, who will most likely betray you... when things are not good from your mind? There are Tepe, Niko, Jon.

According to your analysis, if this has to happen, so this is what if for entertainment. You have to answer. If the situation is really bad, who will most likely be your judge? He will be your judge.

Answer, Rap. Don't lie. This podcast won't air if you lie.

Shut up.

And the reason. And the reason? Yes, and the reason Because actually what I see, he lives in fear Fear And the more you're in the Arab or the opposition position, the bigger your fear is Oh yes, that's already naturally when he appears

Okay, I'll ask you You've been betrayed many times, you don impossible not to be afraid of being betrayed. He even has a tattoo of the name of the person who betrayed him. That's an exaggeration.

That's an exaggeration.

It's like a full metal alchemist. Most likely, the possibility that he will betray you. Come on. Since 2008.

Yes.

Maybe he betrayed you. He saved himself. Yes, it's up to him. He was 8 years old Yeah Maybe he was going to betray him He was going to save himself Yeah, he was free And when he was saving himself You would think it was a betrayal Who was going to leave first?

And it would be personal for you When I fell, who was going to get off first? And it would be personal And who do you think will last the longest? to accompany you in your earthly days the longest is Cynthia

okay, because that's proven proven

betray

or pull it off first the fact that can can't mention, this is what makes him to be betrayed, and he will have a grudge for a long time. He actually knows, but he doesn't want that to happen.

Because he's actually close to that, so whoever betrays him, he remembers. He's open to people's hatred.

That's why he has to be answered now. They're close, right? If you're being bullied, you should open up to people.

That's why you should be responsible now. They're nervous.

I don't think so.

Are you sure? Betraying? No. Leaving them? If you're leaving them, not leaving them, maybe to save themselves first.

First, there must be... There must be. But not betraying. That's normal for me. I would save myself first. First, I would... I would save myself, but I wouldn't betray. Okay. That's normal for me. Okay, that's normal. And it's not personal for you.

It's not personal. So, this will be a digital mark. Yes. The one that will be stitched by the person when he escapes. You've talked about this before, right? I'm not wrong. Yes, I'm not wrong, right? Yeah, I'm not wrong. You've said it before. So, you can't go back, right?

Yeah. No way to back. No way to back.

Digital track, bro.

Number one.

Yeah. Will save themselves first? Yes. If I'm the one who's in chaos, will they be affected until they have to leave first? Your IP name is Arab kids.

Ani-ani. If I'm the one who's in chaos, will they be affected until they have to leave first? Your IP name is Arab kids.

Ani-ani.

Oh, okay.

Is that right?

Yes.

That's my question. Men, let me tell you. All of your crew are like a group of idols. They're different from you. Their backgrounds are identical to idols. You need to put more effort to get rid of the idol, their back is identical to the idol. It takes more effort to remove the idols.

For example, Judika herself needs years to remove the idols behind her. Anyone who is an idol needs extra effort to remove the idols. As close as possible, I mean, your crew's association with your name, Rap. You can't deny that.

Yes. Who will be in the career? Don't leave it to yourself. I mean, your crew's association with your name, Rap. You can't deny that.

Who will be independent? Don't leave it to yourself. I'll take care of this. Maybe it's not betrayal. Not even leaving it. It's too hard. But to save...

In a natural way. The human nature. The human instinct to survive. Ebot. Ebot. Definitely Ebot. Ebot.

Ebot's survival instinct is crazy. Okay. And that's a compliment, right? That's a compliment. It's a compliment. So, what he did, other than Ebot,

be careful. Because there's a digital mark. He's good. So. If he's good, if he's on stage, he can say, that's e-boat, he can say that. You understand, right?

It's safe. Survival instinct. The rest will... put themselves in second or third. Then think what to do first. But as far as I know,

in terms of their character and instincts, they have crazy survival instincts. Crazy. I admit it. But what if you betrayed them? Is it possible? Is it possible?

You're the one who left them.

Me? No.

It's not possible? It won't work if they're not there. It won't work. I'm angry with you. Why did you do 8 hours of college? Why did you do it? It's more entertaining than 8 hours of college. And there are people who want to...

But it's not like you're leaving them. For example, you feel... I'm done with this. You have a phase, an amazing dynamic. Suddenly you feel like you're not leaving them.

But, I'm done with this shit. Oh, they're already... Not predict, they're ready to do it anytime. Okay. Oh, they are ready to do it anytime. Even, for example, in season 3, I don't want to do it. They are ready, they are aware of it. They are aware of it.

Okay, fair. But do you think about their impact? Is there a responsibility like that?

No.

Why? He's good, smart. Every man for himself. Smart. He's good. So, there won't be any betray.

There won't be any betray.

No. It's crazy. His faith and trust to this IP is huge. Amen. Which means, if there's a betray, the pain is ten times bigger.

It used to be painful. Amen. Which means, if there's a betray, the pain is ten times more. In the past, yes. In the past?

In the past, yes. The pain is ten times more. But now, they know what the risk is.

Oh.

Maybe it's more to that side. That's when Batman in Justice League, he holds... All the cards. All the cards in Justice League. Maybe that's it. And that's what you've prepared?

I didn't prepare it and I didn't release it. But, I knew it. That's preventive from the previous lessons. You're dead. Because it's easier for me. If I don't build a crew or something,

this is building an alliance. They have their own IP, their own business. We have one goal. Let's say you're building this AA clan, this AAA. We're four, I mean founders. You're the captain.

Founder. You're building Mugiwara crew. I'm different. I'm more comfortable here. Like Blackbeard building a ship. Aokiji is taken.

He's already made it. They don't grow together. They made it individually. We're chasing one piece. The tactical is like this. The strategy is like this.

You can be different. Things that are personal tactical is like this, the strategy is like this, you can be different.

Things like personality or something like that, we don't have.

It doesn't mean we're not close. We don't have things like that because we feel like this. As long as our goals are the same and the goal is the same and we don't... And it's more comfortable. In me, it's much more comfortable. Because at the end of the day... That's true. Because no matter what, I don't have to deal with Coki. Coki, Jerome, or Kania, Dea, or what. It's like sharing spotlight or something like that.

But the burden is not that big. You, before you hope for this Iny, Jalan, etc. The most real example is the one who can be roasted the most, Tepe. Who is Tepe? His personality is bad. We can agree. According to unknown people.

According to unknown people, Coki, Arab. It's so weird. People are trying to make him straight. Whatever it is. Yes. His personality is're so mean. You're trying to make me straight. Whatever. Yes. He has a bad personality. He's not young anymore. He has no talent.

He has no talent. He's just playing drums. He's just a kid. He has a talent. What? Annoying? No. He has it in his head.

Overthinking. I have... Oh, talking to the mirror. Talking... I have, oh, talking to the glass. Talking to the glass. How was the dialogue? You have changed. That's it. That's heavy.

But, do you feel once in the same boat, there's a responsibility from you, this person's potential must come out. The others have it. They have many things. Including Aloy, who is like a rising star. Aloy is crazy.

If we talk about Aloy, it's easy to talk about Tepe, the difficult one. The others I don't know personally, I don't need to mention them. Tepe, and I think there is 11-12 or something. Is there any responsibility? Like, this kid has to be like this. There are two people.

Who? Tepe and Yuka. But the most difficult one is Tepe, right?

Yes.

Yes, that's right. From your crew, who is most likely to have acute depression? Tepe. I haven't finished my sentence.

With confidence Tepek

But do you consider them? For example, consider in more detail Like for example, we become teachers at school And there are children with special needs

Eh, Astaghfirullahaladzim

So it's been an hour I mean, the needs can be anything No, it's a special need. Where did you drink it from? Did you drink it from the first hour?

Damn.

What do you develop for Yuka and Tepe? What do you see from them? You're lacking here. So that if they're here, they can listen to you. Even though they've listened, they're still stubborn.

But it's still a headache. Yes.

Because if I were you, I would give up. I would give up. Me? Yuka is the founder. No, TP, not Yuka. Yuka is not. TP, there's nothing wrong with being a headache.

As long as your headache can be converted into interesting content. Not what you have changed. The problem is, this TV series is a constructive criticism. This is no hatred at all. It's okay. No.

The problem is, this TV series, the hard head is not an entertainment. It's annoying. In some contexts. Unless the vibe is good, the hard head can be a comedy. That's the potential. Yes, except when the vibe is good, the head can be a comedy. That's the potential? Yes, that's the potential. It can be set and all that.

But that's hit and miss. Not always like, dar, dar, dar. Sometimes it's like, hmm. But he has potential in that. It's already done. It's developed like that. Is he aware? Huh? How can he be aware when he's talking to the mirror? It's already done. It's already developed like that. Does he realize it?

Does he realize it? How can he realize it? He's talking to the mirror.

It's hard.

Try it, Fer. How? I stopped watching Rapton and he asked, is Rich Brian really rich? To the person directly. Brian is a charming person.

His face changed like this.

Simple. As simple as this.

As simple as this. Look. Where is her sitting position? Next to the mirror. Oh, wow. Exactly.

See? She attracts something. That's it. His own self.

Yes.

His self-love is too big. How do you handle a complex problem like this? Don't have to handle it. Just keep it quiet until it's too much. Crazy. But, once again, you're crazy, Rap.

Whatever you hold, it's always gold. This is... I'm not trying to be feminine. But, everyone who meets me, always says this. It's not that I'm trying to be incomprehensible.

But, is it true?

Yes, it is.

Okay. For example, WG.

Yes, WG. Sure.

But, you don't know. There of people that I don't make it A lot of people that I don't make it For example? There's one, me and Jot once made something What was it? Spending months, I don't make it

It was back then

IP content, not music

Yes, IP, NFT

Back then

But honestly speaking, who makes NFT? By the end of the day? There's no one who's gonna make it Jay Joe will make it, he won't scam people

No, no, no

I won't, I won't

I won't From Irwandi

He's mental We're discussing that, you're a dog

Relax, Ram, relax

No, I mean, yeah But he made it That's what I mean. Did you choose to make it or not? Not to harm people? Which one?

You've harmed a lot of people. The thing is, the material I used was really good. So, I felt like, damn, that's a shame. The IP was good, the material was good, the art was good.

So, we spent months to make it. It's really cheap. The IP is good. The material is good. The art is good. We spent months for that. I learned from scratch.

What else you can't make it?

That's one thing I can't make it. What else you can't make it?

Wedding? That's not content. Oh, that's Eton Weekend? No. No. That's for your us. Oh, that's for Ethan Weekend? No. No, no. That's for your brand. That's something that will end.

Oh, my. Yes.

Like, it's dead.

Okay, okay. Dead. Okay. From NFT to marriage. That's great. Great. Especially, Rap, straight from NFT to marriage, great. Great.

Especially Rap, you never heard of it? I have. Eclipse? I have been discussed. It's me, it's my fault. So, it doesn't make it.

If he tried a few times and only failed once, you should be praised. Have you ever realized where your power is, Rap? Is it because you... Please, tell me. I'm not an MPD, please tell me. Okay, I'll tell you. You're a loser, but you win at least. That's the power. Right? Yes. Which region do you think he wins?

Arab?

Jakarta? He wins.

Jakarta? He wins.

Bondowoso? It's a bit difficult. Cember? He wins. He's a representative of TP. No, don't. Oh, don't? Jakarta won. Bondowoso is a bit difficult.

Jember? Won. The representative is TP. No, don't.

Oh, don't?

If it's TP, you lose.

Yes.

The representative of Jember has confirmed. TP is banned.

Banned?

Yes. It's banned, back to Jember. Okay. Okay. But, how powerful are you? Because, maybe you realize or not, people are involved to you because of your personality.

Yes.

And you are a real example in the content or in the digital world, you can be as complex and layered as that. People make good content, cinematic, etc. In the past, or people make content like... At the end of the day, they stick to it because they are ashamed. And the personality is what makes people...

involved in whatever product you make. Is that a good thing? Is it a good thing? It's a good thing. It's even very rare. Because at the end of the day, for example, Coki Patete still needs comedy.

That's right. I still need comedy. Even though the personality aspect is big. Is that a privilege? We just talked about it last night. Yes, it's a privilege. It's genetic, boss.

There are people who are not wrong, It's a village. It's genetic, Boss. Yes. You like it. There are people who are not wrong, you don't feel comfortable with them. That's Korea. That's his strength. His strength. His strength to be liked.

I don't have a problem with him, but I'm sure he's the best. But if we want to mention names, there are a lot of them. People are not wrong. And you... It's not comfortable.

For example, Tefe.

Easy. It's not comfortable to have him. He can play drums. Okay. If you were born in ancient Egypt, what would you be?

Drums?

That's a stupid question. I mean, if there's no technology, what did you become? A pharaoh.

I just said that.

Of course.

Of course.

I just said that.

I don't know, but is a pharaoh evil or good?

It depends. A pharaoh is good. There's a magician, right? Yes. Have you watched Yugi? A pharaoh is Yugi. Viraun Atem is a good guy, he has a dark magician. Yes, there are good and bad guys. Have you watched Yugi?

Huh?

Viraun Atem is Yugi.

It's not as anime as him. Not as wibu as him. Different spectrum. Different spectrum. That's a privilege. You can't do anything about it.

That's probably the question. A lot of questions in your head. Why am I like this? When you were born, did you have any stories like when you were born, your mom said, this kid is special

like a smart person Usually when you're born, you're like, this kid is bright, he'll be big Did anyone ever say that? The sky is not separated, the heart is not separated

Did anyone ever say that?

No, I just died and came back to life Oh, really? Yeah, it's been happening a lot, it's everywhere on the internet I died of suri and I'm alive again That's it Okay, okay, okay, okay So, he was like, I'm not saying it was luck

That's why no one can die twice Arab died four times Just count it, suri is one Still suri is one I was lucky, I was the only one left. I was separated from Edozel. And then? I was in the third place in the Rostik Erik Olimp.

I was in the fourth place. No, I was in the fifth place, because I was in the second place. The combo was hard. But you still survived? But still survive. Crazy. Amazing.

Even though there are dark sides that he didn't show to people. How many times, Coki? MMA. I have a lot, man. Back then, I was... I was the second religious extremist after Mr. Ahok.

Okay. Ahok. In Indonesia. Which one? The viral one. Which one? Babi Kurma. He was even hunted.

This was for educational purposes only. Back then, when the 212 meetings were still big, there was a 212 rewind, my video was in there. 212 rewind? I video was in there. 212 rewind? I swear I didn't lie. I was on Twitter at that time.

I was canceled on Twitter. I think I was one of the first people to joke about Corona in Indonesia. Do you remember your joke at that time? I remember. What was it? I forgot. Open the envelope, it's full of COVID.

Oh yes. Open the envelope, it is covered by COVID. Oh yeah, because... Buka Amplop, Imlek is covered by COVID. Because it's from China at that time. And Imlek is also covered by COVID. The best gift during COVID is... Buka Amplop, Angpao is covered by COVID.

People are mad.

People say that on Twitter.

People are mad.

Twitter has the highest moral standard. And I was once cancelled for a flood. I was cancelled for a lot of things. I don't know. I don't know. Have you played Twitter? No.

I'm tired.

Ernest is also off. Do you still play Twitter?

I still do.

I'm happy. I feel like your moral standard is determined by... I'm not playing anymore. Because I'm so tired. I'm being told to do this and that The right thing is like this

I think it's the most fascist

You just need to be strong, like a controller I don't play thread either I only play Instagram, that's it I don't play TikTok either But you still invest, right? Still be a Twitter place

Why is he happy? No, believe me So I still invest in Twitter.

Why did he say you're happy? I can't believe it. When I'm active on Twitter, I feel happy. Even when I'm going out, I don't feel any problem. When I'm not there, I'm so happy. Maybe I'm in that phase. Yeah, because you're crafting dopamine on Twitter.

Like, bantering people. Watching TOLOL tweets, like, this is TOLOL. But eventually, when I'm done, I have more time with people.

Interesting.

Yes, because you end up on WhatsApp, or you call. I often call Coki, but I don't say it's important. Yes, we like to say it unclearly, like a phone call. How many hours did we call yesterday? One and a half hours? One and a half hours.

It's a bit clear.

But the point is, but the point is, what next? Maybe the last one, what next? What last question, what next? What benchmark do you want to break through? You said you still have a hunger.

What next? What benchmark do you want to break through? I'm interested in politics.

Do you think I'm interested in it again? How do you know?

I'm a big fan. I'm a rap star. I'm not just saying. I've been doing this for many years. He wants to be a politician. I'm not saying I'm not. I've known him for years. He wants to be a politician?

I used to.

Do you still want to?

No, no.

Why? If you want, I want to be a buzzer.

You're a dog.

I'm premium. Premium. Do you want me? Not all of them. Not all of them. The biggest one. You're a dog. But I want to? Not all of them The biggest one I'm not sure

But I want to Why don't you want to anymore? I want to at that time, why not anymore? Maybe it's you guys It's the standard I can do better

I can make this meme better Until I met Flamingo Until I met Flamingo, I mean Doflamingo. Until I met Doflamingo, I was like,

okay, you're right.

One Piece, because of One Piece. No, the real Doflamingo. He met Doflamingo.

No, I'm not!

That's a very good lifestyle.

And, will it come back? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA You are the one who is responsible for the popularity of the 7th president's son, Chaisang Pangarep. Me?

You and Chandra made him famous, Boss. In digital, at that time. Early on?

Early on, you know.

Am I responsible? Yes, one of them. Not one, but the one one who's the most... Okay. How's your relationship with him? No contact.

Are you disappointed?

No.

Disappointed means the result is disappointing now? Yes. Are you disappointed? Because... Do you feel like... you should be better than him? Or do you want to say that?

Because you used to be able to collab with him, so there is no barrier. If you look at the political circumstances in Indonesia, or the current situation, do you feel like, I think,

I can't change everything. Not everything I can change, not everything I know I have to try to change. Most likely, what's already like that, I'll just let it be. I'll just do the rest. At that time, did you really believe that he wouldn't join politics? I didn't care. At that time, I was just having fun.

He wasn't that far. No, I wasn't. My head wasn't that far. Not at all. I didn't care who's the boss. I just did it. For the content only? Who's the boss? Who's the boss? Just let it be. For the content only, right?

Even now, my friends in the political field, I don't care who's the boss or the boss. I just want to be friends with them.

That's it.

Fer, it's been 2 hours and 40 minutes. 2 hours and 40 minutes? Yes, Fer. It's been 2 hours and 40 minutes. It was 1 hour and 40 minutes. 2 hours and 40 minutes? Yes, Fer. It's been 2 hours and 40 minutes. It was 1 hour and 40 minutes? It's been 2 hours. I think we have to close, Fer. Oh, yeah.

What's the closing? So it's grr. The Mion Grr. No, but I think... Do you remember... the one that became a guest on YouTube? What? The punchline on Youtube?

I don't know. The opening. Like if… If Laurentius Randho…

What's up people of the world?

If you… Catch press. I forgot.

He doesn't have catch press. He does.

He's shy.

There. What's the catchphrase? What? That's the closing. What's the catchphrase? Let's go.

It's like...

No.

It doesn't hurt anyone.

Right.

Except for your pride. There are two. There are two.

There are two?

At the end, Atta was also a bit hesitant to do it. Because he didn't use the ASIAP anymore.

We forced him. Come on.

Okay.

He said, ASIAP. One. One. Okay. Ready? Oh. Just one. One. Closing. If it's closing, use the cut.

No need.

I'm not kidding.

No need?

It's okay. Come on, Rap. This is a gimmick, Irwandi. As Rap Strono, I miss that. Okay.

Give me a kill. No. Usually, when it's over, I miss it. Okay. Give me a kill.

No. Jesus. Usually, when it's done, I take off the headphones. It's okay. You can put it on. Rap, this is mic. My headphones are not as good as this. Yes.

The color is pink. Yellow.

Yes.

Awesome.

You're so stupid.

Should we close with motivation? No, no.

No need. Let's go.

I'm watching. What? So, thank you so much for watching. Stay tuned to Malaka Project. And, at least, Salam Gamers. Let's fly higher.

One more.

I'm a king.

You're not a focus.

Damn.

Record. Record.

Record, bro.