Mamá disparó cuando intentamos recuperar la casa de invasores | Mariana y Eduardo #Penitencia 184

Penitentiary, through Fundación Reinserta, supports children in contact with violence. You There are cases that are installed in public conversation before being understood in all its complexity. Stories that circulate through videos, headlines and fragmented versions where the story is built quickly and the judgment comes before the context. In the middle of this process, concepts such as dispossession, property and legality were simplified, while the experiences of those who were there

are reduced to a single narrative, something simple. This case is part of a conflict over the possession of a home, but it exposes something broader. How facts are transformed when they go through the media filter, how responsibilities are delimited from the outside and what is lost when a story is told before it is heard in a complete way. In penance, this space does not seek to fix a posture, but to open a conversation, to listen to the different voices, to understand where the versions are built,

and to put in pause the immediacy with which we usually interpret what we see. Because before taking a position, it is worth asking ourselves, what information is missing? What part of the story has not been told? And how does what we consume influence the way we understand the facts? This story is divided into two parts.

In this first episode you will hear Mariana and Eduardo, sons of Doña Carlota. And in the second part, the version of Doña Carlota, along with the look of Jorge Nader, an expert lawyer on the subject of eviction. And also Arturo, a relative of Carlota and her children. We recorded this episode when Carlota was already in prison. Today, when the episode is released, Carlota is already facing an alternative measure, a measure of domestic arrest, in which her sentence, her guilt, his non-guilt, we'll see.

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Mariana Yetorado. Good morning? Good. Mariana and Eduardo.

Good morning. Welcome to Penitencia, this space where we bring microphones to the prison and you tell your stories, both about life and about what brought you here.

Do you think we should start from the beginning? From before what brought you here? Many of us have seen the video and we know here. Do you think we should start from the beginning? From before what brought you here? Many of us have seen the video that went viral out there, but few know the other side. I am a faithful believer that there are always three parts of a story. The one on one side, the one on the other side and the truth. So, welcome and welcome to Penitencia.

Thank you.

You are brothers.

Yes.

And your mother, Macarlota, they call her.

That's right.

Of course. Perfect. I want you to tell me, Eduardo, let's start with you. Tell me about before all this. Who were you, what you did, where you lived, how was your life?

Well, I was previously a person who always liked to be active, I didn't like to be doing nothing. I always spent my time behind a computer. I always spent my time studying. I am a student in my own way and also a worker.

What did you study?

I am a law student.

You are a lawyer.

Yes.

Did you start or you couldn't finish yet? I started. Did you get a degree or you couldn't finish it yet?

I got a degree. And did you work? I worked. I quit. I quit because of personal reasons. I wanted to go out and fight, to defend people like my colleagues. I was putting a lot of effort into it. Every day I dedicated myself to studying.

I wanted to learn how to make amparos, how to make the writings that every lawyer wanted to formulate, and to help people. What kind of law were you going to do, report and help people.

What kind of law were you going to do, Eduardo?

Criminal.

You wanted to be a criminal?

Exactly. What motivated you to be a criminal?

Well, I don't like the injustices committed against people who are in prison, the prosecuted and the sentenced. Okay. Mariana. este los procesados y los sentenciados.

Mariana.

Buenos días, pues yo, trabajadora de base del Instituto Nacional de Antropología e Historia, 28 años de laborar ahí como trabajador de base, que gracias a ese trabajo the INA, I get my social housing from the Fobista in Chalco. Through a house draw, I get the house and I start paying it in 2009. Ok, you were discounting it. In 2009 I started paying for that house and since then I have had a discount and the check has practically been hanged for paying for that house.

How much did they discount you?

Almost three thousand pesos, quinceaneras.

How much did your quinceanera check come from?

Seven thousand pesos.

O sea, te quitaban una muy buena parte.

Ajá, sí, la verdad que me veía muy apretada, pero se descontaba automáticamente el crédito poviste. Ahí en el Instituto Nacional de Antropología e Historia, a través de mi talón de pago. Así se descontaba esa vivienda y yo me la veía apretada pero estaba pagando la desde el 2009 este 28 años trabajando ahí ya estaba pensando en en jubilar me por por enfermedad que enfermedad tienes este principios de esquizofrenia entonces estaba yo ya planeando cumplir unos Okay, don't say so. So I was planning to live a few more years to start thinking about retiring.

How old are you, Mariana? 52 years old. And how did they diagnose your schizophrenia? For some complications that I've had, that I've had, and the psychiatrist has noticed that I do exaggerate things a lot.

Can you give me an example?

Like I hear things that are talking badly about me.

Paranoid.

That everyone attacks me. Something like that, when the disease started, now, thank God, I'm fine. me me attack I know I was he when I come upon the principal and from a little grass idea just toy medical in being este esa vivienda is like a Stan Chalco enas in Lexus in the de Guadalupe in la calle de la labor man's an addition to lotta venta be a savvy venda lo tengo I got that house through social interest and they gave me a discount on my work.

Tell me what you did in your work. What was your day like?

I was a bookmaker. I was a bookmaker. First the originals, then I finished that work and I worked with computers. I was also an assistant graphic designer and a housewife. Apart from my work, I also sold clothes, underwear, normal clothes. By catalog? By catalog, as a merchant. normal por catalo por catalo govn poco comerciante para sacar un poco más de

dinero para poder pagar mis gastos que gastos tenías pues los gastos de tengo dos hijos y los re luces de agua radio quest a mensualidades water, building, monthly expenses, car expenses.

What age are your children, Mariana?

One is 30 and the other is 22.

And they study, work, what?

One is working and the other is just going to start working.

Ok. How long did they study?

High school. They finished high school.

And what do they work in? Secundaria, terminaron la secundaria. ¿En qué trabajan?

Exactamente, mi hijo trabaja en una cosa que se le llama obras.

Ok.

Se dedican ahí a arreglar banquetas, repostes, luminarias, algo así, ese tipo de trabajo. I'm not sure if I can do it. I'm not sure if I can do it. I'm not sure if I can do it. I'm not sure if I can do it. I'm not sure if I can do it. I'm not sure if I can do it. I'm not sure if I can do it. No, he is trying to sell.

Tell me a little bit about your family. How many siblings do you have? Tell me about your mother and father. Did they live together? When did they stop living together? juntos? platiquen un poco. My mother, Macarlota. My brother Arturo, my brother Dean. My father died 6 years ago. What did he die of? He died of cancer. We are the only ones left. We are here now.

My two brothers are out there. We are doing well, we are a family, we are good people.

Tell me about this conflict you had, about what we all saw in the video, but I want to talk about before. You had already said it, Mariana, you were paying for that house where the conflict was. You had been since 2009, we are in 2025. You were being discounted 6,000 pesos a month, right? Of 14,000 pesos a month, right? Of the $14,000 you were earning, you were being discounted the $6,000

so you could pay for that house. A house that you earned the right to buy for a raffle. How did you find out that the house was being invaded?

You didn't live there. How was the situation? I was working and I received a call from the neighbors where they told me that all my furniture was being stolen. And all my furniture was new. I was buying them little by little to furnish the house. And they were all new.

And they told me, they're stealing all the furniture, they're taking it out of the house. That was March 27, 2025. Of course, I was very surprised and scared. I said, how? How are they taking my furniture? And that same afternoon I went to Eduardo and I said, Eduardo, let's go to Chalco

because they're stealing my furniture. And apparently they want to invade the house. That, on April 27th we showed up en Chalco, no encontramos a nadie. Y nos fuimos a levantar la denuncia. Este... como por la noche salimos de levantar la denuncia, donde yo manifiesto que se robaron mis muebles y que se metieron a la casa.

Y a nosotros nos dicen que pues yo tengo que acreditar la propiedad. to the house. And they told us that they had to come to the property to get the deed. And we went that day, and they told us that we had to come until the 23rd of April. 23 de abril creo algo así dijo Y entonces yo le dije a Eduardo vamos a A Chalco a ver la casa Y nos dirigimos ahí tocamos la puerta no había nadie y le digo sabes que Eduardo voy a cambiar la chapa y este comencé a cambiar la chapa y en

primero llevé la policía y tocamos la puerta y no había nadie I started to change the sheet. First I took the police and we knocked on the door and there was no one. No one answered. So I proceeded to change it. I put my key in, opened the first door, and in the second door my key no longer worked. So I proceeded to change the badge.

And that's when these people arrive. Lourdes. And that's when she starts... We started talking. Where I told her she was in my house.

And what did she say?

Well, she told me that she was going to talk to a lawyer, and instead of talking to a lawyer,

she started talking to the people we had a conflict with.

Tell me a little more about that conversation. She approaches you, Mariana, you were there with the issue of the badge, and what is the first thing she says?

No, I tell her that if the things are hers, that is my house, and that where my furniture was. And she talks about a lawyer.

But what does she say about the lawyer?

That she gave something to a lawyer, in money. And I tell her, can you tell the lawyer to come? So that she can clarify who she is? Because this is my home. And I already filed a complaint. And if you have a problem, we'll go to the police.

But there were calls and men started to arrive. And very aggressive. And violent. And... No, no, no, no, no. I didn't take anything out of the house. We're not going to leave.

Joanna said, yes, yes, I'm going to leave. I'm going to take out my things. She took out some chairs. She took out some chairs and some rugs.

But when she took out the chairs and some rugs. But when he took out the chairs and the rugs, the men were already there.

You were there too, Eduardo?

Yes, of course.

What were you doing? I was always by my sister's side, by my mother's. I'm practically in charge of my sister. My sister is disabled. My mother is an adult. I have a nephew, daughter of my sister, who is also disabled. So, practically... A son of yours, who also has a disability. What disability does she have? She has ADHD, personality disorder, and attention deficit.

My sister, on March 27, 2025, she called us. The first person who call us was my nephew and she notified my mom that the neighbors had informed her that some people had entered my sister's house

that they had informed her that they had stolen a... a room for about around 25 thousand pesos a bedroom also of the same value and had brand clothes for a value of 30 thousand pesos and they were observed taking out all that merchandise then my mother does it out of knowledge to me. I overstep myself because it's news that worries you.

So, I overstepped myself. And I tell my mom, I tell my sister, that they go back to the house, that they for permission from their boss to leave and we wait for them there, in my mother's house so that we can go to the municipality of Chalco to file the corresponding complaint.

So it was the same day, let's say, that they tell you that they had stolen the furniture, that you are going to file the complaint, which is March 27th.

Approximately at 12 o'clock.

And there they tell you that you had to go until April. But you, when did you go to the house, that same day or until April?

That same day we decided to go to make sure that the house was invaded.

How could you see that your furniture was no longer inside if the sheet metal didn't work? How could you realize that there was nothing left of you inside?

We went to check the roundabout. My sister's house is in the colony of Exhacienda La Labor, between Avenida La Labor and La Labor. So we decided to take a walk around La Manzana and slowly, in the car we were going, we observed that the house had been taken by these people.

How did they find out, Eduardo?

It was held by a chain of about three meters, especially the door, with a lock and the main window was held. metros sobre toda la puerta y este con un candado y estaba sujeta la ventana principal la puerta este estaba entreabierta y las chapas estaban violadas entonces este le dimos la vuelta a las canchas de basketball y decidimos este volver a la casa de mi hermana que es cuando tú entras y bajarnos

ok que es cuando tú entras y si les abre lamary low. Yeah, la segunda. Yeah, no

Las dos chapas es que son dos puertas la principal y la de herrería entonces este las dos estaban violadas las dos chapas Entonces la primera dice que si te abrió no

Si dio la vuelta si

este decidimos bajarnos y este Yes, it turned around. We decided to get out and inspect. We pushed the door and saw that everything was dark. My sister's furniture was gone. There were many piles of clothes, a baby walker, and a mattress. So, our neighbors came out and we didn't want to cause any trouble

but we approached them and asked who were the people that had entered the house, how many were there. And they told us that there were 5 people, 3 men, 2 women and a baby. After that, we said goodbye to the neighbors and decided to go to the police station that same day.

We got there and the police... So you, your mom and you, Mariana, didn't do anything? You just left? We left, we withdrew. Mariana Este nos fuimos nos retiramos este esto fue antes de los balazos y todo eso se fueron Okay, still este nos mosa denunciar a la agencia del ministerio público de de chalco levantamos la la denuncia

ustedes acreditaron que esa propiedad desde ustedes a eso íbamos queremos de este declarar la propiedad nos dijeron que todavía no era tiempo este estamos preocupados por el trato que nos estaban dando un por qué un trato bastante despectivo este bastante agresivo así hacia la persona de mi hermana de un servidor este y pues nos desesperamos no estábamos este desesperado estábamos We were desperate, especially my sister, to get her house back. So they issued a precautionary measure.

They only issued the precautionary measure that day, they didn't give us my sister's complaint. The precautionary measure was the assistance of the public force for a period of 30 days. So we went to look for the authorities of public security of the municipality, which are close to the public ministry. For what did they give you the permission? ¿O les apoyaran en qué? En que nos proporcionan a los policías que efectivamente nos iban a ayudar a desalojar a los invasores. Queríamos que esto sucediera el día primero de abril del 2025 cuando sucedió la tragedia. of the belt where he had his... I don't know why you didn't explain it to me. And we told him to stay with us for a while,

at least half an hour, until the invaders arrived, because they weren't there at that time. That was more or less on the first of April, of 12 o'clock in the morning. They helped us understand, Mariana, the idea was, you arrive, the invaders were not there, they already brought the police, and why don't they take the house at that time?

Why wait for the invaders?

Because their commander had offered us to help them to be invited to go and declare to the public ministry and to take and to accredit the property.

You didn't have the right to enter and take your property, it was just the declaration.

Let's say the litigation was going to start to see who the owner was. The gates were closed, We couldn't go in anyway, but they didn't stay there for two minutes and they practically abandoned us. They told us to do our own thing, to change the windows on the door.

But they left?

They left. They said they had more important things to do. Puerto But I just a retired a user a tirado

Mr. D. Heron Katenian muchas cosas mas importantes que ser

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Yo le propongo a Eduardo que me acompany para cambiar la chapa de mi casa

Y cambiamos la chapa de la casa bueno intentamos cambiarla and we changed the sheet of the house. Well, we tried to change it, but at that moment Lourdes Joana and the people arrived. She said that she was at the disposal of taking out all her furniture, but that a lawyer was going to talk to him. And instead of talking to the lawyer, he talked to violent and shocking men, because they started to say that they were not leaving and that we had already stolen a lot of money from them when we opened the window of the house. And that's where the conflict begins.

Tell me about that conflict. How did each of you live it?

Look, at the beginning, when the locksmith was helping us to change the door plate, it took a long time. So, I would go and come from his house bringing the tools but because of that because of that at approximately 2 in the afternoon it took about 40 minutes to organize, it was not finished organizing, I got desperate and at that moment I arrived in a motorcycle taxi, the lady, at that time we did not we knew their names, we did not know who they were until the day of the I We observe her, she arrives with a little girl, and we are parked in front of the house,

and on the right side the lady arrives. So I kindly tell her not to make any mistake or mistreat anyone. In the end, it was to avoid a conflict was to accommodate the place. I told her that she was the one who was invading my sister's house, to which she denied. She told us that she and her family had signed a contract five days earlier and that they had paid in advance. Este cinco días antes y que habían pagado por adelantado entonces entonces en ese momento yo le digo que porque lo sentía mucho no porque este

la habían engañado no y que este que si nos hacía este el favor de de ayudarnos este a desalojar este las cosas de la de la casa no el serrajero nos iba a ayudar y este al principio ya se prestó no este se vio este the things of the house, the locksmith was going to help us and at the beginning he already lent himself, he saw this very cooperative and this brought two boys from the other side of the unit, they managed to remove some shelves, a refrigerator and it was filled on the side of the garden, well, everything, all that corner,

not on the side of the bar where our neighbor is, not and this one, but I saw them like that, very discontent, very, this one, as if this hyperactive, not and they were typing very anxiously on their cell phones so both she and a Chinese boy that she brought helped her to take out the tins. When you say Chinese you mean Asian? Chinese with long hair. So, my mom and I were guarding the entrance to my sister's property and we were watching out for anyone who would come to bother or attack us.

But at that moment I see that the lady enters the house and also my sister behind her. And I get curious. señora entra la casa y este a sí mismo mi hermana detrás de ella y este me da curiosidad no entonces en un momento yo decido este

Marina, ¿por qué decides entrar atrás de esta señora en la casa?

yo ya había empezado a cambiar la chapa y entré ahí al principio de la casa I went to change the sheet and I went in there at the beginning of the house because I was already changing the sheet and the blacksmith was already there. And I told him, I am the owner of the house. I ask you please to go, to pick up your furniture and that for the good way, pick up your furniture and leave the house unoccupied. I suggest you take your furniture to the field." And he said, I didn't know you were the owner, but yes, I'm going to unoccupy, but I'm going to talk to the lawyer,

because they're going to have to pay me everything I paid for the contract, for for rent, or whatever. I told her, I'm not going to pay you anything, because I have nothing to do with it, but if you want, talk to your lawyer and have her explain to you why this is my home.

I paid for it, and I already filed the complaint that they got in here.

Mariana, where were you living? I mean, where did you sleep day to day? In my mom's house. With your family, with your children? The case a minute here on a key Maria Natura, Mr. Vivian, the studio the other media's in Casa de mi mamá con tu familia con tus hijos Yo, it was he was on the video

Is the in otro departamento yo estaba y por el tratamiento médico Y este... Entonces a casa nadie la estaba viviendo en ese momento?

No.

Estaba sola? No, nada más iba yo a darle vueltas. O sea, voy, compro mi recamara, la pongo, vamos de fin de semana, ya tenemos cama, vamos a limpiarla este fin de semana. No tenía cortinas. Yo me percato que la casa está invadida We were going to clean it this weekend, but it didn't have curtains.

I realized that the house was invaded because my house never had curtains.

And suddenly it has.

And I arrive and there are curtains. I say, yes, it is invaded because I don't use curtains. I wanted the house uncovered. And then I realized that it is invaded. That is one of the ways I realized she was being invaded. I didn't have curtains. I didn't put my curtains the way I wanted them.

I preferred to have the house uncovered. I had just put the light on.

I had just signed the contract for the light.

At this moment, how violent would you say the situation was? I understand you were were saying that she was making some calls, she was talking about a licensed record company with which she signed a contract. At that moment, they were two victims of a third party, supposedly. Or did the tone of the conversation rise?

The situation was already violent there because she was already saying that we had to pay her everything she had paid for her contract, for her rent. Something like that I understood her, that we had to give her all that money, which was twenty thousand pesos, I think they had paid for the rent or contract. And from there it started to become that they didn't want to leave, but they wanted money to be able to leave. Or they wanted 20,000 pesos that they had paid someone.

And while we were there making calls, logically the situation became more violent because we were seeing that no licensed person arrived and young people were arriving. And a man, instead of the licensed person, young people arrived. And a man who was also very violent and rude.

The situation was already hot, you could say. How did you see it, Eduardo? grossero este ya la situacion estaba caliente si puede decir como lo viste ahora pues este en ese mismo momento este en que este entraron ellas dos a la casa pues este yo iba detrás de ellas en ese momento sale la señora y le pregunto que si ya le este había marcado a la ambul a la I asked her if she had already scheduled the move. She said yes, that she was not worried. I told her that I was watching her, that I was talking and typing on my cell phone with a lot of anxiety.

I told her not to cause us any trouble, that we were fine, that we were calm. So he left and he guaranteed me that nothing was going to happen. I believed him. Then my sister came out and told me that he had indeed told her, well, not only that, that he would pay her the rent, but that he told her that she was not allowed to leave the house because they were leaving the house, but it was not going to be like that

because they were also missing 20,000 pesos. So we are not thieves, right? So from that moment on, they started to cause us problems. I told my sister that it was appropriate for us to leave, because these people wanted to confront us. So my sister told me not to wait, to see what else they were doing. I was afraid that they would attack us again, so I told the locksmith to take everything down,

to take all the sheets off, that we were leaving.

Why did you want to leave?

Because I was afraid. I felt, even though it was just that lady and those two boys, I was afraid that more people would come to attack us, taking into account that my sister is schizophrenic, my mother is an adult, we were practically alone. I was the only one to defend them. So if more people came to harm us, it would cost us a lot of work to deal with that.

So, apart from everything, I wanted to avoid a conflict. However, the locksmith told me no. He stared at me like, Hey, what's wrong with you? First you hire us and then you want us to leave, right? So I just took a step back and I went back to where my mom was to be the guard and very upset because I could not find a way to leave, right? I counted on those people not being there because I thought they had warned them in advance that we were there, but then he arrived 40 minutes later.

After that, I realized that I had not spoken to the ambulance, to the move, sorry, excuse me. And the one who spoke to him was his husband and his son, who are very aggressive people. disculpe y este y al que le habló fue a su marido ya su hijo no que son personas muy agresivas y este señor pues es un señor alto no y gordo no y el otro muchacho es este pues muy agresivo no y este me doy cuenta que llegan con una muchacha también que es la novia de este este el hijo el the lady's son and they park in the fields and make a movement I noticed that they make a tweezers movement from one side of the car, from the right side of the car

the girl enters and from the left side the girl enters and from the right side the man enters and the boy enter. So I realize everything and at that moment I tell her the same words that I told Mrs. Lourdes, that they had invaded our house, my sister and I asked him for the same favor and he started to scream and scream this boy to say that he wanted to see who

was the son of a bitch who was capable of running him out of his house and he threw us many curses and he attacked us a lot and I told the much I told him to go home and tell my daughter, but this boy replied, shut up you crazy old woman, what the fuck are you getting into that you don't care? we did not notice that on the other side Mrs. Lourdes passes to the other girl who came with them to record us and accepts the cell phone, a white cell phone that they brought there and this girl accepts the charge, I think her name is Katerin, she accepts the charge of recording us, she goes up to the Catering. I told him it was time to leave. They were already pressuring us a lot.

Do you think, Mariana, that you understood that your brother was telling you that you had to leave?

No, in fact, I also wanted to leave. It was time to leave. The problem is that they didn't let us leave because they wanted money. They said, no, now they won't until you give me $90,000. In total, you're going to give me $200,000 to be able to leave. The problem is that they no longer let us retire. The moment we retired, I said, yes, let's go.

It's time to go. In fact, I was already in the car ready to leave because I saw that they were dangerous and violent. Especially the youngest one was they were dangerous and violent, especially the youngest one, he was more dangerous and more violent than the one who tried to throw my mom to hit him,

which was when my mom shot him because he was a violent man and he was already on top of her and the other man, they were the most violent, the man and the boy, who were the ones who were shot. It wasn't like, go ahead, it's my pleasure.

It was like we couldn't leave.

You felt the same, Eduardo, didn't you?

And they were the ones who shot first. They shot me, and when they shot me,

the tension got even worse. I imagine that shot is already in the video,

that they were already recording.

In the video you can see the detonation they fired, you can see the first shot they fired. And the boy, how he gets up, as if he were to jump on my mom. I mean, he was going against my mom. Very violent. We couldn't leave anymore, because they wouldn't let us go. my mom. I let you go, but you give me 200,000 pesos. Or if they had caught me alone, you know what?

Tell your brother that we have you kidnapped by that kind of people, right? That you're going to give me 200,000 pesos and I let you go because they wouldn't let us go and they had surrounded us. Another boy had already arrived who was behind the car on a bicycle.

So he said, you can't go, or we'll get the money. How did you see it, Eduardo? Well, at one point, what happens is that, well, my sister goes first, I wanted to give you the chronology of how the events happened, how we were attacked, how everyone was against us, chronology and know the common society on Los Angeles common was a great deal on come to this town in

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So at that moment there was no one, fortunately. So I was coming and going and they communicated with these two boys that Mrs. Lourdes brought. And they looked at me with a lot of contempt, with a lot of contempt and hatred because they are people who like to abuse the disabled people, the older adults

and they didn't agree that I was there helping and protecting my family. Your sister said that part of the treatment she was in, of the pre-schizophrenia, had to do with paranoia. With this feeling that people are talking about you, people are being violent, people are... How much do you think that influenced the feeling that there was violence around ¿Qué tanto creen que eso influyó en la sensación de que había violencia alrededor o realmente si había violencia al interior?

Hoy viéndolo en retrospectivo. Yo lo sentí. Lo que pasa es que yo lo viví. De hecho, mi hermana nunca se percató que nos estaban grabando. Entonces, pues más que nada el desesperado, yo creo que no, la desesper I think, was not my sister, the desperate one was me. Because I was aware of everything that was happening and my sister, no. In fact, I repeat that by paying so much attention to the attacks of these people, we did not know at what time they were going to attack us. No, sabemos a que hora nos iban a agredir entonces yo es yo me percate que el serrajero pues ya había dejado de trabajar No, no me percate de eso y este y que habían dejado de desalojar los muebles de la de la casa es que si nos estaban agrediendo

bastante no hay es donde ya se sube de tono y Tu mamá saca la pistola se sube de tono en un momento que llega un muchacho este and your mom pulls out the gun. It gets louder when a boy arrives, very aggressive, wearing a white jersey, from the Barcelona team, a friend of theirs. He pretends he doesn't know what's going on, what the invaders were doing,

and he starts talking to them and telling them what they were doing. After putting up with all this, He starts talking to them and asking them what they were doing. After putting up with everything, this fat man and his son, this guy asks them what they were doing. They answer that they were being evicted. This guy starts losing control and say no, no, no, no, no, no, moment, this guy throws her to the locksmith and starts attacking her.

And I told him, hey, what are you doing? Leave her there. Leave her there, son of your mother. You're not going to get out of there, asshole. And then he throws her to the blows. And at that moment, I react and tell him, hey, wait, calm down. the I was speaking in a tone that is used by the current delinquents. And he said to me, Oh, you feel very bad, dude?

And he threw punches at me. And at that moment I heard a shot. And I said, they are going to kill us, they're going to kill my family. And nothing else, we are three people here, who are members of my family. And at that moment I unbuckle the gun

and I tell you that the gun, I hadn't cut the cartridge. And at that moment, that boy, as he was so aggressive, made me cut the cartridge but I put the safety on and the only thing I wanted was to intimidate him so I realized the bad will of this boy which was to get me to be recorded armed I take a few steps forward

and I see that the boy starts to make fun of me and my family and he starts to go up and down his arms in front of the neighbor's sawan in front and saying there is a police officer, police officer, help me, police officer, he is armed, and I answer him, no, then this one, talk call the police or whoever you want, you son of a bitch. At that moment, I saw that this boy's intention was to set me up so that the people who have the house invaded would corner me and disarm me and beat me too. I see that attitude and what I do is turn around, I see my mother and my sister and I tell them, get in the car, get in the car, it's time to go, however, they do not understand me. I can sana and tender is pose por eso el motivo por el que Entra la casa no entonces de jeno posiste si no puedo lograr in medica keepers por lo menos voy a lograr Este hacer que se que se larguen de correr los de la casa de

Hermana a y manera to the CSK to you esta vez en el coche o no esta vez en el coche a fuera de él Parada ok De hecho el video se muestra que estoy todo el tiempo para de ahí mismo metida en el balazo I was standing outside of the car. In fact, the video shows that I was standing there all the time. Right there, they shot me. And I was standing there, ready to get in the car and leave. But they didn't let us go.

They said, you can't go until you give us the money. Don't let them move. And they have to pay us for what they stole from us. My mom didn't go up to the roof. When she attacked my mom, she didn't let her attack her. My mom shot her.

You had the gun. Do you have a police training?

No.

Did you study something related to the police with the police or something like that?

No, I only know about my career, criminal law.

So you had the gun with you, first?

Yes.

Why were you armed, Eduardo?

Well, I felt it. I wasn't sure either, but I felt that we were dealing with bad people, with aggressive people, that we were dealing with organized crime, so I more than anything else wanted to prevent.

But you knew it before, because you were carrying the gun. Where was that gun?

No, the gun was in the car seat. Do you always have that gun there? The neighbors and authorities had told us that there were indeed organized crime groups that were engaged in the eviction of houses. So I said, this is a dangerous situation because it's not so easy to go and tell them,

hey, get out of my sister's house.

And that's why you decided to take the gun?

Yes. Why did you have that gun? That gun is my father's. My father left it to us. It's the only thing he left us at the time of his death. So you took that gun and said, I'm going to take it for anything. the So, the first detonation sounds, which is the one you do? No, there was a detonation before. By them.

At that moment, when this guy attacks us, when Justin and the Lord attack us, at that moment a shot sounds, we thought that they had shot us. Then, there the spirits were quite lot and I decided to break free more than anything what we wanted was only to intimidate but when we decided to do that

instead of understanding they came at us they challenged us

When did you stop having the gun and your mom had it?

No, my mom had another one.

Oh, they had two guns?

Yes. Two or more? Yes, I'll explain. The moment I tried to run away from home, which I did, however, they wanted to corner me at all times. is My mother is the one I have were on tons. It's because you could have celebrated Porquistillo croquis Injustice to be ungrateful

Consider consider okay. Okay, pussy. It's a man. It's a man. They did they agree This is algo a la a la calle me do cuenta que este pues efectivamente desgraciadamente Vestal muchacho moto Yes, the alfondo be like I can love you I saw this guy and I saw my mom and my mom told him to f**k off.

That was the second detonation?

No, it was the second detonation. Are you sure that was the second detonation that your mom made? I'm sure.

And that third gun is also under judicial custody?

Yes. What I'm trying to explain is that my mother told me that they were coming for me. They were coming to break into the house and they were coming for me. They were coming to break into the house and they were coming for me. They were coming to corral me. So I understand that my mom warned them. And at that moment, when they realized that my mom was armed,

they attacked my mom was armed, they attacked my mom and attacked her with the aim of subduing her, of taking the gun away from her and of wanting to mate to attack us. After they had shot us, then I see in the background between the car and the guard of the neighbor's house, how this one, because among all they throw my mom, everyone throws it at her, everyone attacks her, everyone hits her, I see that the auction is taken away, the weapon and I am, well, I feel desperate, I said, because they are going to kill mom at that moment, so I could not find how, for example,

this one, take them to get rid of those people get rid of those people because this man was hitting him, he was punching him in the head and he wanted to kneel him, I don't know why so at that moment I think that the most appropriate thing was to shoot him in the leg just to neutralize him But I said at that moment that I could shoot his mom, she is an adult, she is diabetic

So at that moment I shot the man, I shot him for the first time for I heard the shots and I lost sight of my mother, I did not know where she was and at that moment I walk and there is this Chinese boy that I tell you this tall, he is already threatening me with my mother's gun and I told him that they killed me, that they gave me a blow to the chest or to the head at that moment I think he tried it because I saw I saw him forging the gun and I said until there I arrive I think the gun was put on him by the insurance or he was wrapped for the same reason that he was in the forging Entonces, este, le dije, no quieres matarme? Entonces, este, di la vuelta y me encontré con ese muchacho de jersey blanco, ¿no?

Mientras mi hermana, pues, este, en ese momento yo pensé que estaba solo. ¿Tú en qué estabas, Mariana? Este, Mariana le retira la pistola a ese muchacho. Cuando yo me di cuenta, me le lancé por la espalda y lo tiré al piso y le quité la pistola. for I jumped on him, I threw him on the floor, the gun flew and we all ran to fight for the gun. And I, thank God, grabbed it and put it in the car to hide.

That was what I could react to, that I saw them, I saw already shooting us, but the gun didn't fire.

There are two dead people.

There are two dead people.

The first one, they accuse Macarlota and the other one, you, of killing them. So you two are on the run. What happens next? How do you get out of there? Or does the police arrive there? What happened next?

When I pick up the gun and hide it, I tell them, let's go. Is Mm-hmm. and I find this boy in a white jersey and I blame him for what happened because he had given my sister's house to him and he still made fun of me and I saw him with the intention of taking the gun from me so I said, it's your fault and I shot him three times on the floor

and at that moment he gets up again, realizes that the gun is already empty and takes out another cartridge and puts it back in the gun. At that moment they all start running.

Now somehow, when carrying two cartridges, they went to what they were going to. of Yo le daba las vueltas a la casa. ¿Es que es delincuencia? Me agarraron en la carretera y me secuestraron en la carretera. Y hasta que pude comunicarme con él para que fuera por mí, porque me tenían prácticamente secuestrada a media carretera ahí en, ay, no recuerdo qué kilómetro es, adelante de, para que, querer agarrar hacia acá, hacia México. I don't remember what kilometer it is, in order to get to Mexico. I stayed there and called Eduardo,

because they have some people here and they don't let me go back or forward. They want me to get out of the car, but I can't get out, because they're going to do something to me. They went for me and we ended up in the Public Ministry.

Ok, so they already knew what they were dealing with.

So that's the reason why they were armed, because they say, once... I thought, when this lady told me that there was a contract in the way and that they had charged her in advance, I said, maybe I'm wrong, maybe they were deceived, maybe they are not the invaders. Este que le habían cobrado por adelante dije a lo mejor estoy yo equivocado a lo mejor si este los engañaron a lo mejor Hoyos no son los invasores y es otro que no conocemos pero me di Después me di cuenta de su conducta como nos estaban tratando todo lo que estaban haciendo porque como te repito

Le estaban dando vueltas a la unidad estaban convocando a los vecinos este bueno también delincuentes de ellos para venirnos a They were going around the unit, they were calling the neighbors, well, their criminals, to come and attack us.

Sure.

They didn't talk to the move-in. They say they talked to a lawyer and the lawyer told them not to leave the house, because we couldn't evict them. alojar los entonces de alguna manera les dieron este pues la este la seguridad de quedarse en la casa por eso estaban tan tan eso es un problema en este país

el despojo por las leyes en como están armadas ahora vamos a después se logran

escapar de ahí si es y después pensamos que teníamos poco tiempo para la Yes. We thought we had little time to go. Did they call an ambulance or something for the wounded? No, we were in shock. We wanted to get our cell phone back and we were waiting for the armed people who had spoken to these people. So, we thought we didn't have time. In fact, at that moment, my mom said, you know what, let's go, there's nothing to do here. And I got in. I noticed that they both got in the car

and at that moment we left. And moments later, we knew, we knew that they came to to take our house and to shoot it. We were in danger. Our lives were in danger.

Where did you go?

We went to my sister's house in San Vicente Chico, El Vapo. And there was the arrest? Okay. In San Vicente Chico, El Vapo. Si. Y ahí fue la detención? O dónde fue la detención? Ahí fue la detención en la casa de Mariana.

Cómo fue la detención, Mariana? Cómo viviste tú la detención?

Una detención totalmente irregular, sin orden de aprehensión, sin orden de presentación, sin a quién exactamente quería el, El no se si es fiscal o comandante no no No dijo yo vengo por planito de tal Me preguntó esta y la señora Carlota

este Me me apuntó con una arma

Y

No había orden de

Pero te pregunto a esta lección señor Carlota y tú qué le dijiste? No le contesté, le dije que estaba yo, Mariana. Que yo era Mariana. Que ahí estaba yo para hablar con él.

¿Y llegaron, preguntaron por ustedes?

Pero llegaron armados, completamente armados, como cuando detienen a un...

Un delincuente muy peligroso. A un capo de... a Delinquent a movie peligroso a

armada alto poder y no no Not no jevon a orden de decir tengo tengo orden de aprehension contra ustedes en tiempo Por tal cosa y este no rodearon la casa

Okay, this is rodeo lo sacaron de y ustedes entregaron como estuvo esa no empezaron a golpetear la casa Okay. when the video was already on the internet? Yes. You had already seen an internet in that video?

Yes.

And how do you realize that that video already lives in the world of the internet?

We could not sleep, we were in shock, and more or less we realized that at 4 in the morning, at 4 in the morning, at 3 and a half, the video began to roll roll and went viral in just an hour. What was your first thought when that video went viral? We were very tired, we wanted to rest and see what news going on in the morning.

Mariana, were you scared when you saw that video on the internet?

When I saw the news that the video was on the internet, and that it was totally against us, as if we were the criminals, in contra de nosotros como si nosotros fuéramos los los delincuentes pues me puse a pensar que por qué proseguía que iba a suceder que estábamos en problemas evidentemente pensaron que iban a terminar en la cárcel hay en ese momento no no es que estábamos muy cansados solamente estábamos viendo bueno estábamos enfocados en el video y No, no, no, it's just that we were very tired. We were just watching... Well, we were focused on the video and watching the comments.

Sure. And did you think that they had killed two people or that 20 people hadn't been killed yet?

I couldn't believe it.

You were in shock?

Yes.

Did you know that they had died?

Um... I thought that they had, I mean, I had that doubt.

Okay. Yes. I thought so, I had that doubt. Was it the first time, Eduardo, that you were in a station like this?

Yes.

So, did the police come in?

Well, I saw them. They arrived as if they were hitmen. They arrived with 20 cars, all civilian. All dressed as civilians. I repeat, I thought they were hitmen. Todos estes civiles en todos vestidos de civil lo repito pensé que eran sicarios venían todos con R-15 este Este pues a intimidarnos no y este no llegaron gritando nos que este que puya este

Ya sabíamos lo que habíamos hecho que nos entregamos no que al fin de cuenta ya ya via Valido ver que si no nos en este entregamos igual igual de todas formas iba a valer que nos iban a partir nuestra madre entonces hablan como sicario entonces yo lo que quería era tener certeza de quienes era no porque este si eran policías me iban a mostrar sus placas y me las mostraron y este y me mostraron no me mostraron orden de me who had sent them, what they wanted and then what they wanted was that we give ourselves so as

the saguan of my brother's house is very big, very strong, they could not open it then they asked the ladder to a Total Play worker who was then and they climbed to my brother's box and they started pushing the door from above and managed to open it

then when they went down to the room and we were already down there and they started pushing us with the ... they gave us a lot of punches with the r15 rifles and they didn't give us any explanations. My sister, my mother, my nephew came out first and they started hitting me with the R15 rifles. They threatened me, they hit me with the tip of the weapon's trigger until they took us out. They separated me from them. They put them on one side. I could see that my mother was pushing her and they were giving her saps.

And they put me on the floor. In fact, they handcuffed me and just as they handcuffed me, they started beating me. The first beating I received was from a public ministry officer who had a ring in his hand. He hit me in the eyebrow and started to bleed to a pulp. They gave me my first beating. From there on, they kept me up all the time.

When you get to the Public Ministry, you end up not surrendering, but you end up being taken out of your home and you are handed over to the Public Ministry.

Yes.

I suffer from many things, like scoliosis, my back always hurts, so they brought me all the way down, so I wanted to rest, because they kept hitting me in the back, more or less the blows they gave me, the blows, the whole body or So they give you the car to go to prison, or they take you directly to the prison?

No, we were 48 hours with them. In the Ministry of Public Security? Yes, and after that, before they bring us here to the prison.

They take you with a judge who dictates the car?

No, they notify us the arrest warrant, but moments before we were brought here.

Okay.

In the middle of the public ministry.

Okay.

So you were accused of murder. For one or two?

Just one. One.

The other one, your mother. El otro tu mamá. Okay. I'm not sure if you can say that. I'm not sure if you can say that. I'm not sure if you can say that. I'm not sure if you can say that. I'm not sure if you can say that. I'm not sure if you can say that.

I'm not sure if you can say that. That's why I don't agree with the judge of Texcoco wanting to grant the benefit of the abbreviation to Lourdes Llosa because she is an extremely violent person, a criminal who enters homes and takes out all the furniture from people. That is determined as a theft of house and room. And they have not wanted to open the folder of theft of house and room.

How is it possible that a person can enter and steal all the furniture in the sight of the people, in the sight of the neighbors? That is called theft of house and room. So I do not agree that the judge offers the abbreviation You know That is another crime that they have not wanted to... Recognize? Yes, because they stole all my belongings. And I do not agree that the judge still offers a benefit of the abbreviated

when it is dedicated to theft and robbery of house and room.

And she is an extremely violent woman, very, very violent and very dangerous.

Do you think you deserve to be here?

No, I don't think we deserve it. The only thing we did was to defend ourselves from these people, criminals, organized crime. We are innocent.

Okay.

And where do you accommodate the people who died? Let's say, the people who died, who were killed. Are those people part of your own defense?

Yes.

Okay.

Is that the defense you have right now? So part of the fence appropriate see okay It is a defense a case to steal an hour eat

See is the creamosa evitar este conflicto como de lugar

Cecilia the control Cecilia the control okay, yo yo quisiera manifest our algo este por ejemplo desde el primer momento Que es una pregunta clave que hacían esas personas In a first moment, which is a key question, what were those people doing on the street, the work, Manzana 18, Lot 20B, which is in the name of Mariana Santana Alfaro,

there's the reception of the light, there's the prescriptions, what were those people doing in a foreign home?

As a first question, what was Joanna doing, Victor, Justin, in a house that is not theirs. They spent five days occupying my sister's house. They realized that we were giving out rondines, we were on the lookout, we told them we were going to report them, they didn't care. And instead, they not only stripped my sister out of the house, but they also extorted us, intimidated us, threatened us.

If I asked you if you were going to kill us, what would be your answer?

No, of course not. Avoid it. Avoid it. Avoid it. Everything possible. Okay. What is the sentence that if you don't win the trial, what sentence are you seeing? Okay Bueno, el Tribunal Superior de Justicia... So, if they give a sentence, what would it be? From 40 to 70 years. For murder?

For qualified murder, with advantage.

Would it be two? Would it be more than 100 years?

No, from 40 to 70 years. Okay. Yes.

And you are not accused of murder? I am also accused of murder. Also? Not of attempted murder? No, of homicide. So all three of them.

But you didn't shoot the gun?

No.

She didn't shoot.

Even so, you're accused of murder?

Yes.

Do you have a lawyer? Thank God, yes. Okay. and their lives, as well as you as victims. They are victims of you and you are victims of them. For the eviction and for the murder.

Yes.

Okay. Thank you both. And may justice be done.

Thank you.

On the contrary, thank you very much.

Thank you. Thank you. These are fragments of the next chapter.