Maté por respeto: la cárcel se volvió mi hogar | Juan Ángel #Penitencia 183 #entrevista #México

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At what point does someone stop defending themselves and start sowing fear? In this episode we learn about the story of Juan Ángel. Juan Ángel grew up between beatings, abandonment and normalized violence. At 8 years old, he chose to leave with his father, not because he was safer, but because it was less painful than staying. From a very young age, he learned that surviving meant getting harder. The streets, gangs, drugs and anger became their language.

Before I was 18, I already knew how to protect myself. Then, prison became a revolving door. Going out, committing a crime again, and coming back. This chapter does not seek to justify or romanticize. It speaks of the cycle, of the fear that turns into aggression, of the respect built through terror,

of the real difficulty there is of breaking with the only thing you have learned throughout your life. We are also going to talk about paternity, about absence, about the hope that comes late and the weight of wanting to change when there are already too many accumulated consequences.

Today, Juan Ángel faces a una nueva sentencia. Dice que esta vez es distinto, que algo se movió. ¿Es posible frenar cuando toda la vida se ha vivido reaccionando? ¿Qué se necesita para no volver a cruzar esa puerta? En penitencia creemos que escuchar no es justificar, es entender. Ayúdanos a seguir llegando a los What we have to hear is not to justify, it is to understand. Help us to keep reaching the origins of violence, to keep understanding how it is that we have full prisons and a Mexico where, unfortunately,

stories of insecurity, injustice and violence predominate. Juan Angel, how are you? Very well. Welcome to Penitencia. Good morning. of insecurity, your life story. Yes, that's fine. So if you agree, we can start from the beginning. Yes. Tell me about your life out there, but before, as much as you can remember from when you were younger. Tell me how your life was, who you lived with, how you developed.

I lived with my parents. At the age of eight, my parents separated. I decided to go live with my dad. And from there, my dad. My dad started working and I started to steal. Nobody told me anything. I was 14 years old when I started at the Children's Tutela Council.

How did you start stealing? Why did you decide to start stealing?

It was easy for me. I started to steal things from others. of I was a bad boy. And my dad would come home and hit me. It was daily beatings. Until I decided to leave my house. At 12 or 13 I left my house.

Before you left your house, tell me a little bit more about how,

why did you decide to separate from your parents and my mom was taking care of us. When my dad came back they had problems, they fought a lot, fought a lot, fought a lot. So they decided to separate my parents, each one on his own. My other two brothers left with my mom and I decided to stay with my dad. Why did you decide to stay with your dad? Because he was the one who mistreated me the least.

When my mom mistreated me, and my dad wasn't with us,

I thought he was the one who would mistreat me the least. What do you mean by mistreatment? How was that dynamic? He would hit me. My mom would hit me.

I've always been restless.

I've always been... I've always been restless. I've always given them problems. I've given them problems up to this day.

Did your brothers hit you too?

No, not them. I have an older sister, a little under a year older than me. I remember that they didn't. They even bought them things that were better than me. Now they did it to me less. I felt like that.

Why do you think that?

I don't know. I felt like... At that time I thought that they didn't love me. That's why I decided to go with my dad. When my mom left him, my dad decided to join a gang that was outside my home.

Your dad?

My dad started to drink with them. He started to drink and I would go to him at night to look for him at parties. Then I would find him all drunk. I would bring him home at night, I would take care of him.

How old were you, 8 or 9?

I was about 12, I was 12, at the age of 8 or 9. I brought him home from the parties, all beaten up. Everyone would beat me up, everyone would beat me up. I would stand up and my uncles would beat me up. Until I was 13 or 14 years old, I decided to quit.

Tell me about school. Did you have any contact with school?

Yes, I went to school, but I never went in. I remember that in sixth grade, I didn't go to school for half a year. Until one day, my dad, by pure chance, asked how we were doing at school. I was in school for half a year, until my dad, by pure chance, asked how we were doing at school. They told him we were already in school for half a year.

We went to a module that was abandoned, me and my brother, and we started smoking. Why didn't you like going to school? Why did you decide not to go to school? Well, the truth is, since I was a child, I don't know if I had a problem, I don't know. The truth is, I never liked studying. I never liked studying. I liked more being lazy.

You can say I was lazy and causing problems for my family. Why do you think that is? Looking at it from another perspective.

Why do you think that Fuis Looking at it from another perspective. Why do you think that Fuisurinho was such a problem?

Because I didn't pay attention to my parents. I didn't pay attention to them. Instead of calling me, they would beat me. I think that they thought that I was going to be different, but they saw I wasn't worse.

I have eight years in prison.

When your father starts working, you start stealing. Tell me a little more about the gang your father belonged to.

My father belonged to a gang of rockers. I saw how they fought with others. So when I decided to form a gang, at the age of 14, I formed a gang called the ***.

Ok. How did you come up with that name?

Well, a colleague of mine, who was hanging out with me, he organized it, but I was the one who moved it. I was one of the ones who arrived and shot them.

How do you make a gang? How were you forming a gang?

It's a gang of several comrades, several friends, winning territory and going to fight with other gangs to gain respect, more than anything.

Why?

So they would be afraid of me. That was what I wanted to sow terror in my neighborhood, so they wouldn't keep hitting me. That's why I decided to put terror in all the gang members there come and see what was going on. And I did it, honestly.

Do you have memories of your father? When you went to live with your father? Any nice moments that you had together? Where he wasn't drunk, beating you up, or beating you up?

No, not really.

At this time, when I was older, yes.

But when you were a kid?

No, when I was a kid, no. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. I missed them. When my dad came home, they made up things to hit me. They hit my dad. That's why I decided to leave my house and go to the trucks, to the Chimecos, to Cobranos.

So you decided to leave your house? Yes. But forever? You didn't even get to sleep at your house?

I didn't even get to sleep. There were times when I stayed on the island, at the base of Los Chimecos. We stayed there to steal drugs. We stayed there to steal drugs in the early morning. People who left early to work.

We got off the truck, we stole drugs, and we got on the truck to hide. Until the first round. We lived in trucks all day long. Until they started looking for us.

How did you get out of your house? How did you adapt to the streets?

Sometimes... I was tired of my house. The beatings. The belts. The cables my dad gave me. So I decided... With cables? Yes, with the power cables. I decided to leave my house. Did your father look for you? He was looking for me.

He was looking for me. He was looking for me. He was looking for me. He was looking for me. He was looking for me. So, my dad had a new family, so I saw him, so I decided to leave my house.

Did your dad look for you?

No, I don't remember. I came back home. I came back home and we had problems, but when I came back, my dad couldn't be with me. When he saw me, he couldn't...

Why did you come back to your house?

Because I was tired. There came a time when you get tired, you're on drugs, you stay in the Chimeco, naked, without a bath. The beatings, right? From the biggest truck drivers. And I decided to come back to my house again.

And how was that? Well, I went back. My dad is a bricklayer. He works outside the house. I remember that when I got home he told me what a miracle

that I was going back home. I remember that I was already high and I was drunk. So I told him that I wanted to rest. That was the only thing I wanted to rest, that was all I wanted to do. He told me to go to bed, but I told him I wasn't going to be arrested.

He said, we're not going to arrest you, go to bed. I went to bed, and the next day I woke up and they invited me to eat. They invited me to eat, and I decided to stay.

Why were you afraid of being arrested?

I had never been to a detention center. Until the first time I went to the juvenile counsel.

But they had told you that you were going to be arrested? Did you have any experience with an arrest?

Yes, my mom. My mom came to me once. I was asleep and she came to me once, I was asleep and the police came to me. When I woke up, the police put me down and started beating me. When I woke up, they took me to an annex.

How old were you?

I was about 16 years old.

Older? Yes.

So your mom came back? No, I knew where my mom lived. She lived with her husband. She lived there, my mom met a man and he was very drunk. My dad met another woman and now, well, I mean, I knew where they lived, but I hardly visited them. Okay.

Tell me about that, did they take you against your will?

The police submitted me and when I see saw that I was in a blockade When they put me in jail I told my mom not to let me stay there She said no, I didn't want to understand, that I would be better off there So I started to put the blockade people in jail and they started to threaten me So I had to go to another gang, I was afraid of them, I was afraid of the people from the Anexo. They started threatening me. I was living with another gang. I was afraid of them.

I was afraid of them in the whole neighborhood. I mentioned them to them. I told them that my gang was going to come and rescue me. I started threatening them. They heard about my gang. They were a little scared.

They told me what they wanted. they told me what they wanted. I told them what they wanted. They said, where do you want to go? Your family has already signed. But we're going to leave you. We don't want any problems. So I went.

They opened the door of the annex. When they had threatened me that they were going to beat me, tie me me up, if I didn't calm down, they opened the lock, gave me some flip flops and said, the Cabulet said, I didn't do anything to you, if I find you, I'll beat you up. I said, well, thank you.

They gave me some flip flops, and I came with my mom and all the menace. She's sitting with me with her husband and the threat. I came and told her that I had been annexed. She was surprised, she was surprised. I left and I didn't come back home.

What did you tell your mom?

That I was going to kill her. In other words, it's before, right? I swear I was never going to forgive her for that. But didn't. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie.

I'm not going to lie.

I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I think they didn't want that either, but I didn't see it that way. I said they didn't want me, that's why they wanted to keep me locked up, because they didn't want to fight me. They didn't want... well, yes, they didn't want problems.

That's why I said they wanted to annex me.

Do you remember any first moment, a memory you have regarding when your personality started to change to be a very angry child. Something that happened when you were little that you say,

that's it. There was a chief who was nicknamed the black one. He was about 30 years old, I was about 14 years old. It was an occasion, I liked to hang out with crazy adults. They said, he got out of jail. I want to be like him, so they can be afraid of me.

Between Cotto and Cotto, they made me say a word I didn't know it was him. And that's how he unleashed his fury. When he saw me, he'd hit me. He'd run at me, he'd hit me, he'd hit me like an adult, like I was a grown up.

I'd tell my family, my uncles, and one day, I remember my dad would leave me for lunch. I'd cook, I'd go to the market, I'd bring the food. I remember one day he'd come, and I found him on the road and he kicked me, he hit me. So I arrived crying, I arrived crying to his poor house. I had a mirror, I had a turntable, my father and I lived there.

My grandmother lived in the next corner, my grandmother lived there. My grandmother would always give me a ride because my father would give her food, but she didn't love me. So I remember that day I arrived and I started talking to the mirror. I said it was the last time I touched myself. If I touched myself again, I would really f**k it up. But I was talking to the mirror.

So I didn't realize that my grandmother was listening. I was going to the market and she was looking at me when I was talking to the mirror. My grandmother said, you crazy bitch, who are you talking to? I wiped my tears, I was crying.

I wiped my tears and I said, no, to no one. I said, when your father comes, I'll tell him, you crazy bitch. He didn't say anything, he didn't say anything. Then, my father brought some knives. no le dijo nada no le dijo nada entonces de ello mi papá trajo una trajo unos cuchillos pues decidió agarrar el más grandote y me lo escondo fui a buscar al fulano ese

no lo encuentro yo lo encontré este encontré a otro que me traía tendido también en ese momento I was so angry. I started to bite them. I started to bite them in my neighborhood. I started to hit them and I started to scare them. But the truth is, it was for that, it wasn't because I wanted to be bad since I was little. The truth is, everyone hit me, my uncles, everyone, until I told everyone off. Until they saw that they couldn't deal with me anymore.

What is your first memory of the beatings? What did you do? What did you do to get beaten?

I stole money from my dad.

How old were you?

I remember I was about 3 years old.

3 years old?

Yes.

My mom would take me to a house. If I liked a car or something, I would take it or bury it in the sand until my mom complained. But when my dad hit me, it was when I saw him hiding a package of bills

on the sheets and he went to work. I got in the boat, I got in, I got the money down and So we put a boat in the survey by hell dinero I'm gonna press a gaston to lose me when the chamacos de mi calle Y pues ya llegó mi papá. Yo creo que me pego

Los golpes en invisible. So set the to cavity. We are cool. I'll do serious. I see them. That's a cicatrices on

water Those scars are... I have another one here, with the belt. With a leather belt.

And what did you do with those wounds? How did you heal them?

I healed them by myself. I healed them by myself.

How old were you when the first blow happened?

No, like six or seven years old.

So young.

Yes.

How old were you when you first got the tutelar? I was 16 years old. So young. Yes. How old were you when you first fell under the tutelage?

I was 16 years old.

Why did you commit a crime?

The first time I fell under the tutelage was when I was 14, but I didn't go that far. I went out under juvenile prescription, signing.

At 14?

At 14.

For robbery, I imagine. At 16, it was for aggravated robbery, attempted rape, forced labor, organized crime, disfigurement, three homicides and three uniformed individuals.

That was when you were 16?

Yes, when I was 16.

Oh, my God.

Okay. Tell me about all those files.

I decided to meet a colleague who was going to be in jail. Well, a colleague. People talked a lot about him, about a certain *** from jail. Con un compañero que iba a ser de la buena compañero Hablaban mucho de él de la de un tal de la cárcel cuando usted sale de la cárcel decidió este Me piso a contar con él con él con él con él con él Se les el que me enseña Se robaron los repartidores al sabritas games a barcel este a todos los repartidores a todos los micro buceros

hasta que nos capturaron I was in the car with all the distributors, all the microbus drivers, until we were captured. But when I arrived I had a gun, a .22. So when we were captured, we were... Yes, we were... the whole neighborhood had us, we were... ...sunbathed.

So it was robbery?

Robbery, aggravated. Violation. I was raped, I was raped, I was raped, I was raped, I was raped, I was raped, I was raped, I was raped, I was raped, I was raped, I was raped, I was raped, I was raped, I was raped, I was raped, I was raped, I was raped, I was raped, I was raped, I was raped, I was raped, I was raped, I was raped, I was raped, I was raped, I was raped, I was raped, I was raped, I was raped, I was raped, I was raped, I was raped I joined the police at 16 years old. The municipal police. Why? I had family there, the police. I had bosses, who were your bosses, right?

And did you work as a police officer?

I worked as a public security officer at 16 years old.

And with that uniform you were going to be a robber?

When they captured me, I no longer belonged to the police. I already worked with my left. And when they captured us, they put us in the uniform of the police.

Why did they put you in the uniform of the police?

To pass the operation. We were being tortured as if we were police officers. A kind of extortion. Tell me about the rape? When we entered, our stalker was heading towards her. They put us in the medical school. They did the medical exam and when they were doing the exam, the police officers came in and told us that the lady who was beaten outside,

that she had located us, that we were the ones who wanted to assault her, and that we beat her beat her and touched her. When it's not true, that victim had already been there. She was already there declaring when we arrived. What did they do there? They put her in there too. They threw us out.

They put us in that crime too. And the homicides? Who did you kill? The homicide, a friend of ours, he was with us, stealing.

And you killed him? Why?

Because he had won us over with a gun.

What do you mean?

We went to jump in a bus, and when we jump in the bus, we had all the drivers, but there was no more passengers, only drivers on the bus with bats and balloons and everything. When I noticed that it was only drivers, they started to get in from the back door.

So they coordinated to...

Yes, I was the first one to get in. I was standing at the back door. My cousin was standing next to the driver. And the other one was standing at the door with the gun. So when he saw that the driver was coming and they were going to shoot us, we threw ourselves. So he also throws himself and leaves. He beats us with the gun. We have a .25 caliber.

And he beats us with a gun. We have a .25 caliber. And he beats us. He hides. One day in the morning we found him and that's when it happened.

Was it the first time you killed someone?

Yes.

What did you feel?

Nothing.

Nothing?

No.

Many say they are scared. Then they get really angry. At that moment I didn't feel anything. Were you high? No. No, when they found out it was me, his family and everything, I was a little scared.

But because of what they were going to do to you?

Uh-huh.

Not because of what you did? No.

Let's say the famous phrase, you carry the dead, you carry us.

No. No, I don't know.

Well, until that moment I didn't feel anything, I was drunk.

But later, sober? No, I didn't feel anything. Ok, so you get to the... ...at that moment, to the police station or you get to...

To the juvenile council. Well, I got here in the year 2000. But first to the fifth grade?

No, first here. But as a minor?

From here they transferred me to the 16th grade. So you were a minor for 16 days here?

Yes, here in the year 2000. old. So you were here for 16 days as a minor?

Yes, here in 2000.

So you were 16 years old?

16 years old. No, I was 17 already.

And why weren't you taken straight to the detention center?

Because they wanted to... First, when they captured us, the police, they captured us all five. My cause, they said, no, you're an adult, so you stay with us. So I told her I was older.

No, that wasn't very nice.

And when I was here, my mom told me, why did you tell them that I wanted to come with them? No, Tomás, you already told yourself how many years it could be. Even my cause just left. They lamented for 22 and a half years.

That time?

That time. Oh no. I know. I'm going to get my kids. Getting there is different. Being there is different. Now it's like there are many and it's a week, right?

You didn't get there being so good,

as you thought. No, it's like 2 or 3 months. You started to earn your place. Yes, I started. Now I have to fight less. I connected with a boss, a godfather, because they call them godfathers.

And that guy made me fight inside and well, yes, also, it was a headache inside the hotel council. Did you take advantage of something? Did you have activities? Did you go to school? Yes, I went to school, but not a lot. You didn't like it? No, I didn't like it.

Did you have any dreams? There were days when you didn't want to work. Yes.

How were those days? I've done a lot of damage to my life. Now I'm going to go where I live. Sure.

You've already had your reputation. Yes. You were in the prison for 14 months. 14 months in the prison.

You got out free.

I got out free.

And you continued the same, I imagine.

Yes.

Then I took a gun from a municipal police officer. And with that I started to commit crimes. Besides, Pancho had already left the prison They were being beaten up, now they were being shot

A lot of anger, right? You were very angry

The truth is yes

Why do you think that is? Just because of the beatings or is there something else?

I think it's because of the beatings I didn't stop, I didn't say anything to them, I didn't do anything to them and they beat me up. My uncles would beat me up, even to the point of running to Abata-Vicazos, my uncle, because he said he didn't want to see me there.

Why? Because I wanted to see my mom. I wanted to see my mom. It would take me half a year without seeing her. Why do you think they didn't want you? Because I had followed my dad and when he was drunk he would go look for my mom and my uncles would fight with him I saw that my dad was there and I grabbed Tabiquez and there they go

And I imagine that's why I got angry, my grandmother too My grandmothers didn't love me either, nor my grandfathers, no one in my family. Did you hurt your grandmother? No, never My grandmother no, no. His brother, he brought him to my uncle. Why? What did he do to you? He was with my mom. That's why I brought him there.

I was going to shoot him, and my dad got in and shot me. When he shot me, I turned around and shot him in the legs. But I didn't kill him, I just hit him on the side of the legs. I left the house. And it took me about 2 or 3 years to return to my father.

A lot of violence, right? A lot of violence. You've been exposed.

Yes, but... They won because of everything they did to me.

If your life had been different, how would it have been? I would have been a worker. I would have been a worker because I like have been. If your life had been different, how would it have been?

I would have been a worker. I would have been a worker because I like to work.

What do you long for?

Well... To be with my family and not be in this place. Now that I realize I'm old and I miss my children.

What would you have liked to see different?

As a child.

Well, that my mom would have paid attention to me and my other two brothers. My dad, I remember he never took drugs. He did, because it was logical. The pain of my mother having abandoned him, and gone with another. My father took it, and started to hang out with a gang.

But from there on, I remember him bringing guns, he never brought... On the contrary, whenever I remember, he worked, he always worked.

You go out, you steal a gun from a cop, and you're dedicated to stealing, I imagine.

Yes, I'm dedicated to robbing and to go after those who, according to what they said, when they got out, they were going to kill me. When they saw that here, they decided to leave. They saw that I was too violent, so how can you say that I had already stabbed many people here,

shot others here.

Did it become easier to f*** people after you f***ed them first?

I say yes, yes, because I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I'm not the only one who wants to mess with me. I also do harm to the people who want to hurt me.

I also do harm to my people.

How did you end up in prison?

I was a criminal. I was released of the prison council and I spent about two years on the streets, a criminal. I was arrested by another comrade, my comrades had already been killed.

I was arrested by him on Father's Day. On Father's Day, we were robbed violently and attempted kidnapping.

How did they frame the attempted kidnapping?

Because we pulled that guy and he was carrying half of his body inside the car and the other half was outside the car and we were a few meters away. That's why it was an attempted kidnapping.

And the robbery with violence, I tried to kidnap him.

I stole him violently, because we had already robbed him. They were going to take him out of his car, they were going to steal his car.

No, we brought the car. We saw him walking and he told me, my friend, how do you see that one? I said, well, that one. We intercepted him, I got out and he started to get crazy. He was bigger.

We robbed him, I got in the car, and when I got in the car, he hung himself from the door. So my friend pulled, pulled, pulled, and I took him a few meters until we crashed into a post. And the police arrived, they stopped us. First they chased us, it was a chase.

And a few meters later. That's when we went back to the prison.

In what year was that?

In 2004.

And you left in 2004?

Yes, in 2004. I went out again. I spent about a year. My father came and paid. He paid and took me out. I went out come and pay. He would pay and take me out. I would go out again and again, in 2006, I would go back to the prison.

My friend was mugged by a cop. As we were running away, we got to a place and ordered a beer. When we came back, the cops were already there. I had a 38 Super. I went back, the state was already there. I had a 38 Super. So I go up to the rooftops and start shooting. Then they start shooting, I jump and escape. I enter a house where they knew me.

I take out the gun and I shoot. I shoot the houses on the other street. They entered the state house, they entered pointing at me, and they captured me, they took me out hitting me. They took me up again and took me to the state house. And everyone said, no, we were already looking for you.

And yes, they started taking pictures and then you go back here.

How do you feel in jail?

Well, this time I came back I was angry. Why? Because I had already left in 2016. I had already left and they arrested me. Again? Yes, they arrested me. Well, last time in 2016 they, I was captured with a shotgun

with a shotgun at a drug store. One of the guys from the store puts me there and puts me with the police. The police comes there and captures me. I leave there and in 2016 they take me to... I raised my hand,

and the officer said it would be easier to raise my hand and I was sentenced to 3 years, 11 months, 29 days for the confession.

He confessed.

He confessed and he got me out on bail with 8,000 pesos. So I went out, I spent 20 days on the streets and I went back in.

No, no, no. You didn't learn. No.

I barely got out of there, I got out again and I went back in again. No. I was at the house the other day and I said, I'm going to go out with everything, I'm going to go out with everything. But now they say that someone from there is going to kill me. And that someone from here too. I said, I'm going to go out with everything. And I went out with everything.

That later they were going to kill me. I escape them, two by two on a motorcycle. I went to a store and they shot me. But I went to the patio and they kept shooting. They hit the store, but they didn't hit me.

About 15 days later, the police caught me. The intelligence police. The intelligence police was looking for me. In three months I told them I'm going to ruin you in three months

I'm going to ask you the question that gives you the prison because you think you come back here There is something that gives you the prison I do not know three meals a day this containment Discipline limits this something that givescoholic a la carcel que queres que anhel is no

No, pues no nos da nada bueno la casa no nos da nada bueno

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spoken attend No, I didn't know if you can see the la casa me, but it's a base me But yeah conijos con esposa me about a tender look like you know, my sperm I thought prison would stop me from having kids and a wife. I thought I would have a little more, but no. A lot of people get confused here. You talk to them nicely, and they think you're stupid.

That's why I decided to stab some people here too.

Did you kill them?

No, I just stabbed them. I stabbed them. I did injure them, but I didn't kill them. I didn't kill them. They wanted to hurt me first.

So you didn't kill them?

No. And they took your investigation file?

No, because they said they didn't want anything to do with me. They put us in jail. They said they didn't take any charges against me.

What does violence give you? Have you managed to make people afraid of you?

Isn't that what you wanted?

Yes. What does it give you? That people are afraid of you?

What does it add to you?

That they don't mess with me anymore. They know that if they mess with me, they know what can happen to them. They don't mess with my family. I don't allow them to mess with my family.

Do you think there's another way to gain respect?

Well, yes.

How?

Well, not going to the gangs anymore. Changing your way of being, but I don't think so anymore.

You don't think so?

No, I've done a lot of being, but I don't believe it anymore. You don't believe it? No, I don't. It hurts a lot to walk around like nothing happened.

What sentence do you have?

Right now I'm 7 years and 5 months.

You always say that. How old are you now?

I'm going to be 3 years old.

And you have to get a full sentence?

Yes.

So you have 5 years to get out.

I have 5 years and 3 more that I owe from *** And when are you going to go back to the streets?

Before they catch you again?

No, this time I don't think I'm going back

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No, the other times I told myself I was going to go out with everything and as soon as I go out

So you're going back?

This time you do want to go back? This time I realized that it's not the same anymore Everything changes I see what the reverse is I see what the reverse is I see what the reverse is I see what the reverse is

I see what the reverse is

I see what the reverse is

I see what the reverse is I see what the reverse is I don't know, it's crazy. There's nothing left. It's not that fun anymore?

No, it's not. It's calmer. It's better like this. There aren't that many dead people. Like before, right? Because of everything and nothing, it's worse.

Do you have a family? Yes.

Who's your family? My wife just left me. But I have another family. I have three children. She doesn't live with me anymore.

So you have two wives?

I had. The first one got married when I got to prison. She married someone else. She got together with another one. And with your children?

Yes, with three children.

Do you know them? Yes, even my daughter is coming on the 19th. I barely got married to the other one. I have a nine-year-old daughter. When I left, she married me again.

You have four children.

I have four children.

How do you take care of them economically? Last time I sent them money. This time I can't anymore. It's too much. I can't move them. Last time I sent them money. I sent them money.

I helped my daughter. Even when my father came here, I gave him money. He didn't even want it.

And now?

Now, well, I'm starting over.

If you could choose a job to dedicate yourself to, what would it be?

I wish I could be a painter.

Like your dad?

Like my dad.

Do you take after your dad? Like my dad. Do you look like your dad?

No, I look like my mom. Well, I look like my mom. And my other siblings, yes. But I would like to do watercolor and painting.

And you have 5, 6, 7, 8 years more in prison.

Yes.

How is a day for you here?

Well, it's the same every day. You think that what you did the day before, you're doing it again.

What is a day for you here? What do you do? You wake up.

Yes, we wake up, we go for breakfast. Ranch. We go back to the ranch. We go back. We go out for a walk to the ranch. We went back. We went out for a walk. We walked for a while. And then I went to my cell.

I watched TV. I like to draw. I like to draw. I like to kill time. I like to kill time. I like to kill time.

8 years of that.

8 years of that, still? Yes 8 years still

How hard do you think it will be for you to start over? Once you get out

It's going to be hard

The possibility is that you go back to the real prison From 1 to 10, 10 being very possible that you go back to the prison

It's better to be the same

My dad came in December. I don't know.

My dad came in December. I didn't see him that well. He came in December, in 1931. He said, I've always come to see you in jail. I said,

I'm old, my dad is old too. I'm tired. Can you imagine the day I'm gone and my dad is old too. I'm tired. Imagine the day that I miss him.

What do you feel?

I feel ugly. I feel ugly because I don't see my dad anymore. I don't see my dad. That's what makes me sad.

Does your mom visit you?

She comes every year. She came last year, ine. I don't know that I don't know guys in a vienna like I said, but I thought it would have been To be come on. Oh, there's visitors now Durante casi siete años

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