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How can a father forget about his biological daughters? Yes, his biological daughters. And in this case, start when they were already quite young, and do so for several years. And continue their life as if nothing, of course, without taking into account that they were going to grow and that they were not going to be silenced.

And by not being silenced, John Bernal was taken to prison for these charges. These charges were filed by Daniela Bernal, 22 years old, and Camila Bernal, 24, who is with me today. And they have come here to tell their story. With something very important for me, and before starting the podcast I manifested to them how to ask questions without victimizing them, and also tell them that if one of those questions they believe is inappropriate, let me know and I will change it.

For me, the most important thing is to tell the story. Daniela, thank you for being with me. Here is beyond silence. Thank you Camila for coming to this place. And so, your father is in jail?

Yes sir.

How do you feel if you told me you loved him with all your heart?

Well, they are mixed feelings because I loved him a lot and he is our dad. So that in a way generates an affection, but I'm calm because he had to pay for what he did.

Camila, how do you feel?

Calm, because it was many years of waiting and seeing how he was doing his life and and how he was acting as if nothing had happened.

But we are going step by step and justice is being served.

John has been charged with abusing a minor under 14. How old can he end up paying?

From 16 to 30 years old.

16 to 30 years old. 16 to 30 years in a prison. And you would feel good with that?

Yes.

You Daniela?

Yes sir.

How does all of this begin?

In 2012, I came back with my mom from a separation. And let's say that what makes the story is that in 2015, three years later, he goes on a purification trip with a friend from work and family from a friend, and they have a rift and he leaves with Camila.

They have a rift between you two? Yes. To see who leaves. And why You two have a raffle? Yes To see who leaves And why does he do the raffle?

Because he could only go with one because he goes by motorcycle But my mom couldn't because she had to work

And then?

Well, I went on the trip On the trip we were with a friend and the family They offered us to stay at their house But he said no That we were going to stay at a house, but he said no. That we would stay at a hotel to not bother them. While there, he asked for a room with a bed for both of us. While...

While there there at night

Breathe

Thank you Gracias. En las noches yo me despertaba ya con el cuerpo lleno de gente. I would touch my little feet, I would kiss them, but always talking as if I were a little girl, telling me to play. I would put, I don't remember if it was on my cell phone or on the TV, and I would try to recreate the same thing. There was never any penetration. But I did other things. Like I said, it was always like a game. So, I would slip on his body and ass and told me it was a wheelchair. He put me face down and pressed his ass,

pressing it in the middle of my sex while covering my face. I would cry and tell him I didn't want to, but he would tell me to let it be.

How old were you?

Thirteen years old. It had happened before, but it hadn't been for a long time, because it was always at home, and there were always people in our house. So it was like something faster, but he always acted very calm.

So it was like if I heard someone coming up, he would just cover me, tell me to sleep, and he would leave calm. Many times it was also like in games, so he would take us as blankets to wrap us, because because we played in the showers and that and in the middle of the game he would do that too but in Purification it was more time because it was almost a week that we were there

And he did this every night?

Yes, one of the last nights I don't remember well but I had had a lot of heat and everything because purification is hot. But I slept with bags and long pants, I wrapped myself in between and I lay next to him hugging a pillow. And he tried to take my clothes off, but I couldn't sleep anymore. So I squeezed and as he saw that I couldn't, he sat next to me and he... me la ropa pero yo ya no podía dormir. Entonces yo apretaba y como él veía que no podía, se hacia al lado mío y se... no sé exactamente cuándo lo hacía conmigo y eso, qué pasaba

con el cuerpo de él ni nada de eso porque siempre tenía la cara tapada.

¿Y desde qué edad recuerdas que él comenzó a hacer esto?

Yo recuerdo que en el 2012 tenía muchos dolores abdominales y por eso del colegio me enviaban Do you remember when he started doing this? I remember that in 2012, he had a lot of abdominal pain. And that's why they sent me home a lot from school. I didn't know exactly why, because the doctor never told me. And from there, I remember that he started because I have a lot of blockages

about that. And it was like, that he was going to rub to me, what was going to happen to me, and that's it.

That's how I remember it.

And both in 2012 and in 2015, in Purification Tolima, did you always leave that for yourself or did you share it with someone?

No, at that time I hadn't told anyone. After the purification journey, I arrived and I couldn't take it anymore, so I told my brother, Daniela.

Daniela, what did Camila tell you?

She told me that on the trip, dad had touched and kissed her p****. At that time, these things were happening to me. As far as I remember, he had sex with me between the age of 8 and 9. But my parents separated when I was 5 years old and that affected me a lot. So at that moment I told my sister that we shouldn't tell my mom

and that we would see how we could make my dad stop doing it with her. So I continued to allow him to do it with me so that he would leave her alone.

You told Camila not to say anything because you were afraid that they would separate again. And did you tell Camila what was happening to you, or did you keep it to yourself?

No, I didn't tell anyone at that time.

And from then on, what kept happening?

After I told Daniela, we had a tablet where we played and we didn't have social media or anything. So, through that tablet I listened to music and everything. And at the time I was taking a shower, my dad wrote me and told me to send him photos. To send him photos of how I was taking a shower and in a certain way. That's when I told her, that's enough. I know this is not right, you are doing this wrong, and a father shouldn't do this to his daughter,

if she says so much that she loves us. I'm going to tell my mom. In one of the conversations, she told me, I had some chocolates,, she told me, I had some chocolates, so she told me, those chocolates that you have, I'm going to put them on top of the closet.

And if you take them, it's because you want me to do that. So I threatened her with my mom, but she always told me, don't say anything, that's going to affect your mom a lot.

Look at your sister. Your sister is everything to you. And if we separate, she will be sad. And if she is sad, it will be your fault.

So I decided not to say anything.

And from then on, what kept happening to you?

The one I spent the most time with, and I spent all the time with. My room was in front of my parents. So before these things happened, I would always spend the Saturdays in my dad's bed to watch TV. And after that, when I didn't go to the bedroom anymore, he would get me out of my bed and put me in his bed. And then... He had a long beard and he bought wax.

So he said that it was for the beard. But it was to the beard, but it was for us to use. He also told me that his body was a wheelchair. There are two things that I find very disgusting. I don't like the smell of bleach, because my dad used to smell that. a He only I He only I say oh no tell a joke or I'm

He is a total I know teller In he me legal I could I said In I'm going to be doing a lot of things. I'm going to be doing a lot of things. I'm going to be doing a lot of things. I'm going to be doing a lot of things.

I'm going to be doing a lot of things. I would go to school on the weekends. My mom would put me on the computer and dad. I never go to the police.

But I always... Well, everything else that can be done in the spiritual realm.

And how does the moment come when an adult finds out about something? Because until then, you were the only ones who knew.

And you're telling me that you didn't know what was happening to you. How can an adult find out about this? And how old were you? What happened there?

In 2017, I started having a partner in 2017. And already in the field of experimenting and having relationships, I started having a lot of memories about it. And I started dreaming a lot about it, because before that I didn't remember anything. Like a defense mechanism, I blocked everything and I didn't remember anything. Like a defense mechanism, I blocked everything and I didn't remember anything. But then I started dreaming about it, and I started remembering a lot of things. And I was telling my best friend at that moment, and she told me that I needed to talk to someone. me como que necesitas hablarlo con alguien. Yo siempre fui muy juiciosa en el colegio y todo, pero en el momento que empecé a recordarlo

empecé a decayar muchísimo. Empecé a sufrir de ansiedad, empecé a lastimarme, empecé a hacer muchas cosas. Y un profesor al que le tenía mucha confianza, que siempre estuvo ahí, me dijo como que, ¿qué te pasa? Tú no eras así, what's going on? And he was the one I decided to tell him,

but I told him that my mom didn't know anything and I didn't know how, because I didn't want to hurt her. And he gives me some time and he tells me, when you feel ready, prepared,

let me know and we'll help you tell him. tiempo me dice cuando tú te sientas lista preparada me avisa si acá te

ayudamos a contar en el 2017 como en octubre yo le digo ya no aguanto más porque mi papá empezó a ser súper agresivo en la casa ya nos peleaba porque no encontraba algo me pegaba nos entre los dos nos dábamos muy duro. Y yo le digo al profesor, necesito que me ayudes. Me dan la citación para el siguiente día.

Y esa noche cuando llego a la casa,

no sé cómo contar esto.

Yo cuento. Mi hermana, nosotras no teníamos redes sociales, I don't know how to tell this. I'll tell. Ok. My sister, we don't have social media, but my sister was talking to her boyfriend through Ohlook, that's what it was called, the email. And she sent some pictures to her boyfriend. My dad saw them on the tablet and sent them to his email.

And he told her that he was going to tell my mom. So he went out to talk to my mom that night and told my mom that my sister was betraying her trust, that she hadn't educated us for that, and that he would talk to her because those were things that he couldn't talk to her as a father. My sister tells me, if my dad tells my mom, I'm going to tell my mom what my dad did to me.

So my sister slept on the second floor, my mom comes and talks to my sister, scolding her for what had happened, and my sister tells my mom. So my mom calls my dad, and I hear from downstairs that my mom was very upset,

and they call me. Because Camila tells my mom was very upset and they called me. Because Camila told my mom that I knew. I just remember that I sat down on the stairs and I sat down with my head down and the world went into a mutiny. I saw my dad kneeling and begging my sister. And my mom told Camila not to separate her from my mom, not to separate us, to tell her that was a lie.

What did he beg you?

He told me, tell her it's a lie, tell her that's not true, you're distorting reality, how dare you say that? Look at what you're doing, it's going to hurt the family because of you, it's all going to be your fault, tell your mom that's not true.

And what did you tell him? A lot of rude things.

I told him to tell the truth, that I shouldn't have been lying to him, that he didn't know how it was affecting me emotionally, and that I didn't want him in the house anymore, that he shouldn't be with us anymore.

And how did that night end?

We don't remember.

You don't remember? What happened next?

I only remember that we were with Daniela, my mom, lying in my bed, and we fell asleep. I don't remember anything else. And what happened next? The next day, I had a meeting at school. My mom started the process with the school. And... They told my mom that my dad had to leave the house. So that night, my dad went out to talk to Cami first, and then he went out with me.

He went out and he always talked to me as if I were 5 years old. My love, I have to go, you know why I have to go, but I want to talk to you and I want to apologize, but you allowed it.

I blamed you.

So I thought, nobody is going to believe me, because I accepted it.

How did you accept it? Because according to him, I accepted it. How did you accept it?

Because according to him, I allowed it. But you were a child.

And I don't remember much from then. That's when the process started and Camila is the one who has clarity in the process.

And then?

My dad started to manipulate us a lot with the economy. ¿Y entonces? Mi papá nos empezó a manipular mucho con la economía. Económicamente pues no estábamos bien, que no íbamos a poder solas, que si a él lo encerraban o lo detenían no iba a poder colaborarnos, que estábamos nosotras tres solas y con mi abuelita, la mamá, con mi abuelita materna pues que no íb't do it. We had to think beyond that. We had a lot of responsibilities in school that my mom couldn't do alone. My mom was always in shock because for her it was a very hard blow. She's been with him since she was 14 years old and seeing that

she didn't really know that person, was very shocking. And he always manipulated her a lot, psychologically. And she told me, I'll do what you tell me to do. But I've always thought a lot about our economy. I told her, let's say that my dad, if we go to purification, that he got drunk and thought it was you, and he stopped.

Who did you tell that to?

That was said in the DA's office, everywhere.

So you changed your version to the DA's office, after they went to school and had to go through a process.

Yes. He left the house because of that, even though he told everyone that he left the house because I had reported him for mistreatment. I was the bad guy in front of everyone. And that was said. Everyone in the DA's office told us that we were a happy family.

Because when I spoke, I cried about that, but I said that I was fighting with a friend then they told me that it affected me more the fact of what happened to me with my friend than what

had happened that had been a mistake or what happened in purification for several nights

supposedly he confused you with your mother. He told me not to tell my mom because I could misinterpret the situation. But I did talk to her, so that's why she was taken away from that process. As such, no one knew exactly what had happened.

And from then on, what continued to happen?

Well, he left the house, so then the guys stopped with me. He left when I was 14 years old. And in January I turned 15. So they celebrated. And for that moment I went to stay there once. Because he went to live with my mom, with my grandma. And that house is an apartment, so he lived on the first floor.

And he had his Xbox and his TV, so we started playing Xbox and that night I fell asleep. son apartamentos entonces el vivía en el primer piso y él tenía su esboz y su televisión entonces nos pusimos a jugar xbox y esa noche yo me quedé dormida fue la última vez que yo tenía 15 años yo no me acuerdo mucho pero yo recuerdo que yo ya me tapaba la cara para llorar I would cover my face to cry and I would do the same thing as always, with the oils and it was always the same. And then one time I stayed again and I was in pajamas and I fell asleep and he was going to put me in pajamas. And I told him that if he forgot about me, he would forget about me and that I was going to sleep with my aunt, llama y yo le dije a él que si él me volvía a dar se olvidaba de mí y que yo me iba a dormir con mi tía que ya estaba en el apartamento del segundo piso es la media hermana y desde ese momento ya yo siempre iba y yo me quedaba ya o sea yo

dormía con mi tía siempre y él se enojaba y entonces a veces llegaba al trabajo y se encerraba en su habitación y decía que porque yo iba pero yo no iba a compartir con él sino con mi tía I was in my room. And he said that I was going but I was not going to share with him, but with my aunt. And at that moment I did not think it was because I was not allowing him to do those things and that's why he behaved like that. So I said, I'm going to share with my dad and he does not want to be with me.

But it was for that.

And what was the outcome so that more of this could be discovered?

It arrives in 2020 for October 2020 It was already night and I was with my mom in her room and an audio arrives to my mom she sits down and starts crying and an audio arrives from my uncle, my mom gets an audio. She sits down and starts crying. And she gets an audio from my uncle, my mom's brother. He has two daughters, and the oldest is my dad's daughter.

And my uncle is asking the girl and she's crying, telling her that my dad also had a crush on her. At that moment, when the girl is talking, she is 8 years old. But she didn't live with him for 3 years. That means that she was between 4 and 5 years old. So my uncle told my mom that he was going to talk to us

because he was going to start a process to find my dad and he is our dad. And the next day, my uncle sits down to talk to us. But my mom tells my sister that she makes the decision if she should tell my uncle or not.

At that moment, you didn't know about Daniela.

No.

You still didn't know. And then?

Then, my uncle tells us and my sister starts crying. to and that process starts so every time there was an audience we all got together to talk about how the process was progressing and 2021 comes there is an audience and I start to get scared because I'm afraid that he won't pay for what he did and I go up to the room with my sister and I get really nervous and I tell her I don't know what to do. And she tells me why and I tell her that my dad

also didn't care about me. So Cammy gets really upset. My mom goes up and sees us crying. We tell her it's nothing and at night she asks us what happened. So Cammy tells me, either you tell her or I tell her. And I tell her, mom and dad did the same thing to me.

My mom gets really upset and my uncle lived in the same block. We called my uncle. He arrived, we told him. And they only tell me how I had such a good relationship with my dad.

After he left, we continued to have a father-daughter relationship. And we never talked about the situation again, as if it hadn't happened. So they tell me that they are going to do what I want to do. I was already an adult. So I started to think and I said, I'm not a girl anymore.

I'm going to have to repeat myself many times, specifically, and I've never talked to anyone. I didn't even talk to myself, I didn't even think about it. So I said, no, I'm not going to do it. Their process kept moving forward,

and I kept talking to my dad. I got a job and dad and we talked like normal. A normal relationship, father and daughter.

The process of the prosecution of your cousin's access? Yes. Because of your uncle's complaint. Yes.

So while that process was going on, I was still in contact with my dad. Okay. Because we didn't know how to carry out a process like this. So there were hearings every three months, and they were delayed, and he didn't accept the charges.

Mr. John Peter Bernard Perilla, do you accept or not accept the charges?

I don't accept the charges, ma'am.

So while this process was going on, I was still in a relationship with my dad. Camille did distance herself a lot, but sometimes they would have a barbecue and I would say, Camille, are you coming with me? And sometimes she would go, but it was only because I wanted us to be together.

But he didn't bother you anymore?

No, not anymore. We never even talked about it again. He had to make a trip to Latin America to meet and he started calling my sister before she turned 18 or when she turned 18 so that she could close her case. When she closed it, he went on a trip.

Close the case?

Yes, I turned 18, so they told me I had to look at what I was going to do, if I would continue or we would leave it there because it had been said that it would not happen again

and that. The truth is, he was not going to come back.

I didn't want to talk about that. I always said I don't want to talk about that, I want to hide that. So I closed it. And he did look for me many times to close it, to close it, to close it. And then we saw what he did, he traveled to Latin America. So he travels and goes to Latin America.

And then he comes and we continue to have a good relationship. Latin America. and he went to the honeymoon that his sister and husband had planned and they went to Europe. And he continued to live his normal life, as if nothing. So I had to beg him a lot for love, for attention, for, daddy, let's go eat an ice cream, daddy, this, I never had time.

Or only sometimes, and it was one hour, two hours hours and that's it or when I was going to visit and in 2024 I decided that I already I mean he took me to make the decision to file the complaint in December 2024 I made the decision that I am going to spend that last Christmas with him so I am with him on the 7th of candles and he arrives decision de que voy a pasar con él esa última navidad. Entonces estoy con él el 7 de velitas y llega este año y en enero yo le escribí una carta y yo quería encontrarme con él para decirle que yo lo iba a denunciar. Entonces yo empezaba a escribirle papi quiero que hablemos

de algo importante. ¿Qué es? Él pensó que yo le iba a decir que iba a quedar embarazada o algo y yo no, it's something important. Wait for me to look at the schedule because I don't know if I have time. But I saw that he was going out with his partner, he was going out with his family. So one day I told him, like, I mean, there's time for everything, except to talk to me. I have the right to make my life, I don't bother him anymore, write the letter on WhatsApp and send it to him, he will call you.

And when he calls you, record the call. And I sent him the letter. And I told him that when he read it, he would call me.

And is that the letter?

Yes sir.

Tell me.

How to start this? Daddy, this day, at this moment, is going to mark a before and after in my life. Cuenta como empezar esto papi este día en este momento con lo que más pesa lo que más duele lo que más me atormenta mi papá It hurts the most what torments me the most, my dad. After telling him many things, I wrote to him that I waited and I waited for my dad, my beloved father, to really deserve the unconditional love that I always gave him. But in exchange for that, I only received more disappointments, more abandonment, more lack of respect, more when I have time, I have a lot of work, but I was a good person. I was a good person. I was a good person. I was a good person.

I was a good person. I was a good person. I was a good person. I'm going to make my complaint for the abuse I received for years at your hands. That was never good and no, I never allowed it. I was a girl who later became a teenager. It was not fair to me, as it was not fair to Cami, that you made your dolls out of us. You only live without remorse and happy, and I can not allow that anymore,

that someone so bad continues to hurt without remorse or consequences.

And he receives this and what happens?

He starts writing to me. What is that? Wait for me, I'm working. And I say, no, call me when you read it. About 20 minutes later, he called me. And I was with my partner. And we started recording the call. me I cried. He begs me not to do it, not to do it. To think about him, to think about the family.

That we are his love and his greatest sin.

That...

He thought that with time that had already passed. That because he saw that we continued with our lives, then that time had already healed him. That he was taking care care of a good life, for him to have a good old age and leave us something. So what he was doing was for us,

that please don't talk to anyone. We didn't know how hard it had been for him to create the facade he had. So that call was recorded, and in the end my partner tells me, like, that's it, tell him that I did what I had to tell him because I felt that I had to tell him that I was going to report him

because if I didn't I would feel like he was betraying me so I hang up and he starts calling me and he starts texting me and the next day, there was time daughter, I'm in the neighborhood

let's meet, let's talk, Tell me you haven't talked to anyone. Because I made her understand in the letter that no one knew what I was going to do, that I hadn't told anyone. So, don't go talk to anyone. Let's talk, daughter, let's solve this together. We can do this together, we can build this together, because we are life partners,

because... like that. And he wrote to me for a long time, until the day of the woman of this year. He sent me long texts and he answered me the status of my photos and so on. Like, daughter I miss you, baby I love you, I hope you are well and you are happy. But he thought I hadn't done it. And then we went to the DA's office, and the complaint was opened, since I'm the main one in the complaint, and Cammy is the victim witness. But he thought I hadn't done it.

After talking about the complaint, I decided to talk to my sister, she is my godmother by baptism. And I... Well, to think about how she was going to feel. The first time, she only told me that she had a maternal instinct with me, that it was obviously very difficult. Then we met again and she told me that it wasn't just out of love

the thing is that she has some businesses and she has a restaurant and my dad is her right hand man so it wasn't just out of love because she could lose a lot of things from her businesses and she would have to sell the restaurant and her life would change if I did that and if my dad was put in jail

the other day she told me that she knew that what she was going to tell me was wrong, but as in the case of my cousin, he was sentenced to 12 years, I didn't believe that 12 years were enough.

One moment. You are talking about your cousin and the complaint that your uncle made. Did they sentence him there? How long ago? And the complaint that your uncle filed, was he sentenced? How long ago?

12 and a half years.

12 and a half years, but he wasn't in jail?

No, because he appealed. So, he's in appeal, as such, the sentence.

The case of your cousin.

Yes.

And outside of that, now there is another process, which is the case of you two.

Yes, sir. So, since that case is in the first instance, he is still free. And she told me that if I didn't believe that 12 years were enough. I told her no. After that, other things happened and we didn't hear from them again. They didn't talk to us again. Nothing.

But she always told him, think about your grandmother, think about the family, of ellos no nos volvieron a hablar nada sino que ella siempre le decía como piensa en tu abuelita piensa en la familia piensa en el daño que nos vas a hacer pero por lo que nosotras decíamos y quien ha pensado en todo lo que hemos sufrido nosotros como tal lo que ha sufrido el papá y la mamá de la niña lo que ha sufrido como tal nuestra primita mi mamá nosotras nadie piensa en My mom, us, nobody thinks about that damage, they only think about facts.

And then?

We go to the DA's office, the investigation opens, we take the call, we take the screenshots where he wrote me, because, I mean, we started to make up a case, so that they would believe me, because I thought that no one would believe me. So, it happens like that, and I kind of go back and I say, I'm going to wait for them to call us.

I don't want to wait anymore. Since they all disappeared and we don't know anything about them,

they are the relatives.

Yes.

And he.

My uncles, yes. Recently, they uploaded a photo of everyone celebrating a birthday, hugging. I recently uploaded a picture of everyone celebrating a birthday in a hug.

As if nothing happened?

As if nothing happened. So I was telling them, I mean, I was thinking about how they could feel, and now they are hugging the one who killed them, their nieces, their cousins, I mean...

Of the three of you? And there is another victim? primacy There was a distress

C senior Kien is the la familia is the la familia Pero ella no quiere hablar

y el 28 de octubre La resta una C y como fue todo este proceso para ti pues es que es desgastante porque and he was arrested. Yes. And how was this whole process for you?

Well, it's exhausting, because re-victimization is inevitable. And it's talking and repeating, and every day is something new. Besides, Camille was affected a lot, so seeing her so affected when she had to talk about everything that happened,

well, it was difficult. So I decided that I was going to wait for them to call us again. And a lawyer contacted us and told us that she wanted the case to continue, that we should not let it go. And Camille told me, call the Purple Line when you feel ready.

And I called, they advised me, and they told us that we should send, that the prosecution should know that we were interested in the process. And the DA asked us, because we asked for a process advance, and he asked us to go to October 27th. And there he asked me if I knew where we could find my dad.

And we already had the exact location of his house. We knew where he worked, where his mom lived. We gave him the exact location and on the 28th they captured him.

Did you see when they captured him?

Yes, sir.

Were you there?

On the 28th, the CTI picked us up in the morning. We waited for him to leave the house for about four hours. At 7.15 they captured him, leaving the house. Between the CTI and the army, there were people from the army and they captured him. But he, nor his family, knows that we were there. And that same day in the afternoon, there was a hearing on the legalization of the capture.

And when there are hearings, normally all parties present themselves. And since we are already older, as victims, we also have to present ourselves. And when he heard us, he started crying. The hearing was virtual.

And the next two days there was also a hearing.

What did you feel when they captured your dad and you saw him?

I told my mom's sister that it's like when in the movies someone is going to die and their life passes through their eyes.

I repeat that a lot because when I saw that they were putting him in the truck, like I did have my daddy.

What I was saying, I separated the brain in two parts, so in one is a monster and in the other is my daddy, that we share musical tastes, that we like to draw. So when I see him, I think about all the good things he did as a father. So they were mixed feelings. At that moment it was very difficult, but then I felt calm because I said, I never thought I would do it. So I felt good.

And you, Cami?

The same thing happened to me with the feelings I had for him. Why did he do it? It could have been perfect, even though he was not there. But why ruin our lives like this? Because it has not been easy at all to get ahead of this and accept that

it is simply our past. But at the same time, calm, because what I was telling you, finally, it will be justice, finally, it is something that so many years that he telling you, finally, justice will be done. Finally, it's something that he has enjoyed for so many years, finally. We are not going to be the ones who are suffering. My mom is not going to be the one who is blaming herself all the time. And it hurt more when he didn't accept the charges because he knew we were there.

And still keep keep telling lies.

But I'm calm knowing that it's just another step.

Do you forgive your dad?

Maybe not.

But I would like to do it for me, not for him. Because I want to have peace in my head.

And you, Daniela?

Well, before the trial started, I said I had forgiven him. But my best friend told me that maybe I was deceiving myself that I had forgiven him to continue having my dad. In the therapy process, they taught us a lot about forgiveness. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. I forgive him, but that doesn't mean that I don't feel bad about what's happening to him.

Would you like to see him again?

No.

To have him in front of you?

No.

No, because I think about my sister, I think about me, I think about my cousin, and I think about the other person.

Daniela.

I hope to see him one last time. I would like to visit him once in prison.

And what would you tell him?

And tell him straight away that I was capable, and that his baby grew up.

And to finish, what message do you have for those girls who may be going through the same thing? What message do you have for those parents of what you have to tell your children so that this does not happen to them?

Cami.

Speak to them clearly.

That this does not normalize. That you can be the person you are, or you can be, but that you teach them that this is not normal and that they have to speak it from the first moment. That they have to not remain it from the beginning. They have to stay quiet.

Daniela.

Respect for yourself goes beyond love that others have for you. I gave my life for my father. I said it was the love of my life.

And that doesn't mean that what he did was right. And to the parents,

sometimes it's not just saying, if you get hurt, tell me. It's also instilling your own love. That makes you stronger. I love him, because my mom and dad also

told me all my life that when someone touched me, I would say it. So I knew that was wrong, but since I loved him, I didn't.

Daniela, thank you. Cami, thank you very much. Thank you for sharing these testimonies. The truth is that I feel very ashamed as a man that someone would do this. And very ashamed because I'm also a father and I have two daughters.

I'm very ashamed. I'm very ashamed.

Thank you very much.