PANDJI BIKIN ULAH MULU🐷😡 - PULANG GAK LO‼️ - Feri Amsari - Mensrea

Can Gibran report it? That's the first question. And the second question, is it a part of body shaming? And when people attack other people, which I love, is attacking his son now, it means that I can't do anything.

This is a very good question. If it's a comedy, it means that when we label something as comedy, it's up to us. I don't want to do this, but I say, as a public official... But this is very dangerous, bro. Mr. Ferry. How are you?

I'm good. It seems like it's very crowded. But before that, I just read the news. Donald Trump said he offered people in Greenland per capita 1.5 billion. For, well, the point is to betray his country, maybe.

To say that it's for America. 1.5 billion per capita. After that, it was surveyed. The status quo is crazy. After that, it was surveyed and it was said that 15% agreed. There are a lot of weird presidents. But in Greenland, the public is actually worried. They are not comfortable with the situation.

The problematic situation. Yes, it's the same in Iran. Yes, now in Gunjang. It's been two weeks, right? Yes, it's the same in Iran. Yes, now in Guncang. It's been two weeks, right? Yes, it's the same in Iran. Yesterday, it was funny, Venezuela was just taken. Yes, and it's out of the 30 international institutions.

The UN also said it was going to be out. They said it was going to be out. But it's impossible. Because it has the veto right. That benefits it. Benefits, yes. That's right.

I read on Twitter, one of the Venezuelan members, but I don't know if it's true or not. Because sometimes it's a hoax. He told me how the attack happened. He told me that they didn't know anything.

Suddenly, a drone came. After the drone came, a helicopter came. It took about 20 people. Then they were shot by something. It made them have a headache and couldn't do anything. So, I think they were shot by...

A sophisticated weapon. The one that makes a sound. Correct. So, they really couldn't do anything. So, they said that it's not a shooting anymore, it's a massacre. Because I can't fight anymore.

Crazy.

That means it's true, Dirty Food War. Now, the technology of war is very sophisticated. The focus is on technology, don't add people. That's right. As a military advisor, don't add people. That's right. As a military advisor, I can say that.

Maybe we don't have enough money.

Oh yeah. The factor can be there.

Yes, technology.

But we don't have to add people. 150 battalions per year. Maybe the idea is like this, if we lose there, at least we win in the jungle. We'll go into the jungle. But, Feri, I want to talk about Panji Pragylaksono. He's in New York.

He's in New York. Actually, I'm confused. Because he was reported. The one who reported him was from Muhammadiyah. But he said he wasn't admitted. And then, he was reported by the people...

Today, I think it was reported by the people of Darma Pongrekun. Because... well, it's the same. The one who's being slandered and all. Well, Gibran said, that's enough, it's a criticism. But Gibran also tweeted something funny.

Actually, I know that Kang Ferry would not agree to be reported. He would not agree. Because it's art. Or what? Because it's art and human rights. Article 28 of the Constitution, we guarantee the independence of the United Nations

to deliver an opinion in writing. So, that's independence. So, it's impossible for independence to be taken away by the legal process. The name is no longer independent. If it's been named. Now, this needs to be seen in the context in the context of the science of law, human rights,

there is what is called an internal forum and an external forum. It means that the forum in the internal space is allowed to be open to say many things. For example, I deliver my religious preachings to the Muslims.

That is an internal forum. I can debate the truth of the status of Prophet Isa, for example. But in an external space, to respect and appreciate others,

we cannot do that, to respect and appreciate others,

For people who are aware, enter the forum internum,

Not a forum to be insulted. It's not to insult people. So, in that point, there is no evil intention for that. There is freedom for people to leave or not leave. They are not forced to stay there. It's the same when it's on Netflix. On Netflix, we realize aware of the event,

stand-up comedy, the title is Men's Rhea, the person who will appear is a single actor. He clicked to show off. He realized that this would be a joke. At that point, it was almost certain that this was a matter of independence, to convey an opinion, even with art. At that point, it was almost certain that it was about freedom of speech,

even art. In article 28 of the Constitution, it's even more terrible. I have the right to receive information, process that information, spread that information, as part of my right.

So there's no need for an internal or external interview? Yes, but people are aware aware once they're spread out. They'll be aware of what they want to click. Once they're involved in a certain point, they'll enter the area where they have to respect the rights of others. For me, it's okay for the public office to be insulted.

Because of the nature of power, Mas Dan. The nature of power, he has authority, has a position, has various things. The public only has criticism.

Okay.

So it's okay, criticism. In my campus, there used to be a big writing exhibition. Voltaire's opinion. He said, if the people are afraid of their leader, that is authoritarianism.

But if the leader, the government, is afraid of the people, that is democracy. That is democracy. So, when the people say it without fear, that is democracy. That is democracy. So, when people say it without fear, that is democracy. I am proving that

there is no democracy. If it is reported, it means there is something. But there are a few things, Kang. I want to make it clear. We talked about internum first. Internum means there is an externum externum. If we put this on YouTube,

will it become an externum? If it's on YouTube, because it's labelled, I feel like that. Because not everyone needs to access it. Once it's in, it's in as an internum. Still an internum?

Yes. Because everyone knows the YouTube channel of Mas Dedy. There's Somasi, there's Podhub. He's in there consciously, like a special forum. So, don't people feel that it's an external matter anymore. If we talk like that on our social, is that an external?

On social media, we have to look at the social media concept first. talking in a room, with what? That's internal.

He came to campaign with certain people.

Suddenly, he was brought to the issue of religion. And I realized that there was something wrong with Mr. Ahok. But his political mode was also high. If we want to be honest, it's true. His political mode is strong. Moreover, at that time, religion was still very sexy.

At that time, religion was still very sexy. Very sexy.

Pak Ahok was asked to speak a certain speech, a certain verse was sung, suddenly someone recorded it, right? That's a certain point.

Yes, yes, yes.

Is Pak Ahok wrong? Yes, wrong. Why do you also discuss religion that is not religion?

Yes, it's not his religion. It has entered the room of millions of people. That's already in people's rooms. Okay, okay. That's what I think.

If it's comedy, does it mean that when we label something as comedy, it's free? Of course there is an ethical responsibility. Ethical responsibility is there. One of the ethical responsibilities that I see is to educate public policy awareness. I'm not comfortable with my first song. I watched it twice.

So I wanted to watch it again, but I was invited to Australia. I stayed there, but I watched the streaming. Right on the same day. I watched it again when it was on Netflix. I was still not comfortable with the opening song.

Okay. That's not on Netflix, right? I... It's not on Netflix, if I'm not mistaken? It is, because it's not cut, I remember I think it's cut in front of the song, let's check

Huh?

There's a song, because the opener, who? One, then Danny Beler, then the song Then he pointed to the girl, right? Ah, Istikfarlu, right?

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I remember I was there. Oh, that song. Later, I don't need to explain the song, please watch it. Not comfortable, but I know the context. The context is, one, it's a joke. Second, maybe it's the right technique to let go of all the complexity of the audience's mind, so that it enters the Panji's joke room.

That's the technique used by stand-up comedians to make the laughter continue. But that's my simple understanding. I don't have the ability in this art. So I can understand. And at a certain point, when we enter, there must be that awareness.

But it means it can make people uncomfortable. Yes. What makes people uncomfortable? The Prophet. Many people are uncomfortable. The Prophet is not offended. The Prophet is even persecuted.

So in that context, I don't feel it's an exaggeration to criticize the president for being part of our state. I remember there were many important people, big stories, about the leaders who were then criticized. So there was no question of criticizing the president, even certain organizations. In the context of the Panji case, it was even more terrible,

in my opinion, Mas Dede. There was a person who claimed to be the son of the young Muhammadiyah, the young son of the NU. It turned out to be not.

Actually, in this point, using the analogy ... Muda Muhammadiyah, Anak Muda NU. Ternyata bukan.

Sebenarnya di titik ini, pakai analogi... Logika berpikir kita aja ya. Logika sederhana berpikir, sudah selesai kasus ini. Polisi tidak perlu memperpanjangnya, karena di titik ini, orang itu sudah tidak kredibel melaporkan orang lain,

karena dia memulai dengan sesuatu kebohongan. to report to others because he started with a lie. Yes. Well, lies are different, Mas Dedy. So, don't think that this needs to be continued to unravel the facts. Because the facts are not like that.

The facts are not like that. Okay.

Okay. I will go to the next topic. Hmm. The body shaming. Okay. And if I'm not mistaken, the context is that

the eyes are sleepy. And Dr. Tompi once denied it. I forgot what it was called. Yeah, ketosis. Yeah, that's what I forgot.

And now, if I'm not mistaken, Panji's son was attacked too. My question, Alferi, can this be included in body shaming? And what if Gibran is offended? Can Gibran report it? Because the RU is already done.

The problem is the complaint. Although you talked about it internally. Can Gibran report it, first of all? I'm So, it means that I can't do anything, right? Yes. First, this is a very good question. Because it's difficult. At a certain point, I'm not the type of person who attacks other people's physical posture or anything else. But, once again, Mas Gibran is RI2. In many traditions of the state,

not really traditions, but events of the state, many state ambassadors are being followed for their purpose of building self-awareness. I mean, when an officer is being manipulated, he has two approaches.

Either he wants to accept the manipulation as an asceticism or to understand the opposite. So, the state's defense always says, it's slow, even though he's a fast runner. He can answer, I'm not slow to counter that narrative.

The proof is that I run fast. But if he knows what it means, he will say, I understand what you mean. You're not criticizing my eyes. But what you're criticizing is my ability to lead. But it's so thin.

Yes. It's so shallow.

Yes.

So, it depends on how you understand it. Obviously, the audience knows what you mean. Yes, but it's so shallow.

Yes.

When Kang Ferry criticized me, I didn't feel offended. Because Kang Ferry criticized my opinion. Yes. Okay, let's meet. But if Kang Ferry criticizes me, for example,

I'm arrogant. But what he wants to criticize is my way of speaking. It can be like that. Mas Dat, I know you're a friend of Mas Panji, right? Yes. How often does Mas Panji insult Mas Dat

compared to the vice president?

He often insults me.

Dedek also often insults him, right?

Yes.

Why doesn't that become a problem? Why doesn't that become a problem? Because I know... The context is not insulting, right? Yes, the context is funny, sarcastic. Sometimes he's being funny, I insult him too. I see the same thing.

Yes. Sometimes he's being sarcastic, I'm being sarcastic too. I see the same thing. These two guys. But I want to say, if the context is a joke, why can't it be with the president? Isn't he a public official? That's why, in the end, the question is, when it's wrapped in comedy, anything can be true.

That's the problem. If it's a public official, all the criticism from the public, they have to accept it. Even though it's physical? Even though it's physical.

I don't want to do this, but I say, as a public office, But this is really dangerous. Because it's more dangerous if the public office responds by reversing the action to the people who don't have the right to vote. If we say that, people will start to insult us physically. Isn't it dangerous?

In fact, it teaches people to do... Kang Ferry himself doesn't agree with that.

Yes, yes.

But I don't say that people who do it was then convicted, persecuted by the state. If the supporter is okay, I am also okay to be criticized. Because he has criticized the officials, please. The consequence is that he should be liable for the attack. But he should't be a criminal. Okay. Don't use the power of the state

to retaliate against the quote-unquote Cacian. Okay. Let me sum up, Kang Ferry. First, you don't agree with the use of physics for comedy, right? That's the first thing. Me.

Personally. Okay. I don't agree either. that's one. Me. Personal. Okay. I don't agree either. That's one. The second, when this happened, it shouldn't be a criminal case. Because this is a public office.

If it's not a public office, it's okay.

Criminal case.

I'm not sure people will look at the public office. Because you're not a public officer, right? I'm kidding with you. That's okay. So, the crime is, Mr. Dede, the concept is the ultimate remedy. There is no more effort, then it's used.

If you, Mr. Dede, people to people, Okay. There's no more effort to use. Okay. If you're a person, an individual, if the concept is to joke, to be friends, don't immediately commit a crime that doesn't need to be committed.

Okay. If you're joking about physics, you can really be convicted. Your schoolmates from elementary school to college. All of them. All of them.

Because they're joking.

They're monkeys.

They're all fathers. So, for me, things that don't need to be convicted, don't need to be convicted. Okay. But now there's a new law,

from the dispute. This says that, it's different from criticism and insult. It's a thin line. I'll start with the opinion that says, one, Panji can't be sentenced because of the time he did the action. Before. when he did the action before, that's one thing

but that doesn't mean, because there's a saying if there's a legal transition process then the law will be used that will make it easier to be suspected I have an opinion, Panji can't be convicted with the new KUHP and the old KUHP because he is a free man.

Then, regarding the president or the vice president, there is a special case, case 217, 218, 219, 220, sorry, 220. Sorry, 220. I think that the article is intended to be a rubber article. Rubber article means that it can be used to criminalize people. If the intention of the article creator is to criminalize you,

it can be used. Because it is also a matter of power. But for me, once again, people who are in charge of the office, don't use things that are called as a power factor to criminalize people. Okay, I understand what you mean.

I'm sure, Kang Ferry, that Gibran can't do that. It's already been stated. Yes, he said it's normal. I'm sure, personally, I'm sure that Gibran won't criminalize that. Even though we want to use new laws,

new law of the jungle, I'm sure Gibran will not punish those people. Even though we want to use new laws, new law on the phone. I'm sure Gibran won't. I'm sure Prabowo won't use the new law on the phone to punish people when they are being slandered. My question is, can someone represent them when this has become a matter of complaint? In the article, it's called a matter of complaint.

It means that people who are directly a person who is directly related to you, who doesn't report. So, the person who admitted to being a member of the UN and Muhammad, he can't do it? He doesn't use himself. He uses his organization. Yes, he can't do it either. Because the authorities are not the organization.

They say, you're not part of us. Yes, of course we can't. But can't the organization also argue? Yes, because the organization doesn't have a feeling of pain. But what Masud Dedi means is two different things. Ornum talks about religious crimes, because it's considered a religious slander.

Meanwhile, 2017 is related to the president and his representative. The nature of the complaint must be reported by the president or his representative. Although this provision facilitates the president and his representative to report, because by letter, they can... It's possible to do. Okay, that's one thing.

If this is pulled into the complaint of religious insult, can it be? Plus the Milo. If this is the reason for the insult to religion, can you explain? Plus, it's a milo. I feel that even the Prophet never reported people about religion and good people in religion. Of course, he never had the intention

to report people who debate and insult other religions. In Islam, there is even a Dalil like this, Mas Dad. Don't insult other people's religion, because your religion will be insulted.

Yes, I know that.

So, insulting in an ethical way, cannot be avoided, cannot be done. At a certain point, I don't know how strong people's faith is, so they use human law factors to judge other people's beliefs. So I don't have any belief in that. But there are laws.

But I have... Yes, there are laws. But I have... Yes, there are. But, here's the thing. I had a bad past when I saw blasphemy. One time, I was at school

and was being tested by people. My friend was a religious person. He kept preaching. I was tired of hearing it. I said, in America, there's blasphemy. He immediately stopped.

I immediately regretted it. I mean, I was joking, but he was serious. So, sometimes, in our personal context, we feel too religious, we feel our religion is insulted, then we use it to lower the perspective of others.

Whereas, the opinion of a non-Muslim, his name is Marsi Lam Simajunta, our former Minister of Justice, he said, there are three things on this earth that are not needed. One, it is capitalism.

Rich, not brought to death, he said. So, it's something that is not... if you're rich, you want to be rich again. The second one is religious belief. People debate about faith. It's not necessary.

All the money, all the contracts, all the guidance, are from God. And he wants to debate about what's the use of it. This is a joke. What's not useful is the PowerPoint. The PowerPoint is useless. PPT is useless. So, Mr. Marsilam gave a good example to illustrate that

we don't have to feel like the best religious protector. Even though we are demanded to love religion, we shouldn't imprison people, but imprison them. But if I say this, it's a perspective. It's a perspective. You are a law enforcer.

What is the law? The law of the state guarantees the freedom of people to be religious. Those who are protected by their religion. Not to then accuse people who have different perspectives on their religion. So I do my worship, I am protected. But when I see Mas Det, Mas Det, why is your belief in Islam like that?

Oh, he's insulting. He's more busy taking care of other people's faith than his own faith. But the law has a religious insult. That's my question. The law is a social tool. Which makes it have a political purpose. Is it happening? Yes. The answer is yes.

But according to Ferry, should the law exist or not? the political objective. Is it happening? Yes. The answer is yes. But according to Ferry, should it be there or not? No, it shouldn't. No?

No, it shouldn't.

The Ministry of Religion should be there. I believe that the Ministry of Religion is a religion for everyone. In Indonesia, there are many religions. is a religion for everyone in this diverse Indonesia. Is it necessary to serve the public in practicing the religion? Yes, it is.

Okay.

The context of the words that I use, according to my belief. That's very good. Okay. The sentence.

The sentence is very good.

Everyone now uses that sentence now. He said he learned from Mr. Haris Azhar. Right? I know Mr. Haris Azhar. My question is, if someone uses that, does it make him a criminal?

Of course, no one can break the law. There is no concept of breaking the law. But the sentence is to explain that this is his perspective. Something that he understands, he believes, of course, cannot be convicted.

Well, don't, if according to my belief, this person is dangerous, so I kill him. Of course there will be a different legal analysis. Because this is an opinion, the argument that is then conveyed with that sentence it strengthens the argument that what will come soon is my perspective, my argumentation. You can't judge my argumentation. It's good there.

For me, it's the art that was conveyed with its own intelligence. Especially in the context of being an intern. I'm very sure he was an intern. Was it because his friend was released from prison? Or why not just go to prison? To be honest, I don't want this case to be prolonged.

Because in the closed door, there's also Somasi. Sometimes, he talks like that. He's tough. I often watch him. He's tough. We're also going to make Somasi again. And Panji is my friend too.

And I'm sure that a Gibran won't handle it like that, in my opinion. I'm sure that Gibran wouldn't do that. Hopefully. But it's impossible. Somasi's goal is clear. There's no desire to make people band-trap.

But it's been said from the beginning that it was comedy. But sometimes I said, this is a bold statement. It's ready to be summed up. It's like fishing. Maybe I should have listened to my beliefs first.

Then the ending was ready to be summed up.

Okay. You have to listen to my belief first, then the ending is ready to be discussed.

Okay. It means that, if for example... Okay, let's talk about politics. If... Earlier, you said that you don't really care about what's happening today. If, for example, according to my belief, I'm sure that Gibran won't be handling this issue. Okay? Well, I'm also sure that NU and Muhammadiyah will not handle this issue.

I'm also sure that Darmapong Rekun will not care. Maybe. I'm not sure about that. But, in my opinion, maybe. It means, who is the one who is offended? The supporters.

The supporters always feel more like supporters than the person themselves. This is what is often referred to as blind tactics. They feel more like the compared to the people themselves. That's what they say, watch out for the fierce dog.

The dog is fiercer than the God.

Yes, yes. More or less, that's the perspective. Therefore, the existence of the country controls that. This is important to be continued, not to be continued. That's just a temporary dilemma. Someone said, split. Where to split? Someone said, it's a tear-up. Where is the tear-up?

Mr. Dep, you have to remember that the date of my stand-up was the same as the DPRK. Imagine if I said, I have a good intention for people not to do the outside activities but to have a critical dialogue inside. That's my hero.

He changed the perspective. In my opinion, people should see the wider context to not prolong the communication. Mas Dat, I think you often ask people, we discuss about that, right?

Yes.

Mas Dat, why do you criticize a small child who eats? But there is not a single point of my intention, Mas Dat, it must be reported, it must be... But people have to give a space for dialogue to others. I never intended to report it. But people have to give a space for dialogue. Even if the person is right, he has done something wrong. Even if the person is wrong, he has done something right.

So, for me, the duty of the country, with its constitution, with the law of the country, to ensure that guarantee. So So all those guarantees are there, Mas Dat. I often use it to my students. Don't worry, all your constitutional rights are guaranteed. Even the rights of the single people are protected by the constitution.

This is not to insult Mas Dat who is just single, but protected by the constitution. I don't know what this is. I often joke with you, don't worry about the full constitution. Including if you are single, you are protected by the constitution. Article 28B says that you have the right to marry with a valid marriage.

That means if your spouse is against this right, it means you have violated my constitutional right because you violated Article 28B. So the impression of the constitution, if you read it, it's just normal. Even though there are many. Health insurance rights,

the right to eat adequate food. That's why I ask for the MBG not to be prepared properly. The right to get an education guarantee. There are so many, Mas Udai. So if it's not read properly, we don't know our constitutional rights.

Including the right to express opinion. Even the choice of independence. That's the sentence. We don't know our constitutional rights, including the right to express opinion. In fact, the choice is independence. That's the sentence. So, the country should be present to guarantee that independence. That's what I expect from the leaders of this time, Mr. President, Mr. Deputy President.

I am in the front line to guarantee all rights to I guarantee in the future all the rights of opinion to the citizens of the country. The President's bidato is every day now. I started counting with my friends. The number of President's bidato is almost the same as the number of days in a year.

Oh yeah?

Yes, it's close to 300. Because almost every day, they move to another place, one or two times. If I talk, it's long.

It's long, right?

It's really long, right? If the president has the right to move, especially the people, they want to hold the government. Okay, okay. I understand. Now I want to ask you this. But there are also people who say that we are Asian.

Asian value. Asian value. Right? We are Asian value. What's wrong with Americans and Europeans, Dad? But they say we are full of tata krama. When we were kids, we were called the body of poverty. Don't say that.

Okay, okay.

But we were taught that since we were kids. We're more polite to older people. We can't even call our parents by their name. In America, we call our parents by their names. If we run to that side, I know that I don't have a strong opinion. But let's talk about this.

If we run to that side, will what I did be wrong? If we run to that side, we don't have to talk about the crime. When is the value? What do you mean by when is the value? In America, calling someone old is their value in the 90s and above.

In the 80s and below. There are children who call their parents by their name in Jewish. True. The value changes. It's called social hierarchy. My value, if it's in the 90s

gone gone all kinds of things but the value of the children now has changed I want to give an example of a word that until now I can't accept my child being done in front of a crowd of friends

jirbjir, jing gitu ya. Anjay dan segala macam. Yang itu merupakan punya maksud yang sama. Yang di zaman saya itu tidak boleh. Itu sumpah serapah bagi saya. Tapi kalau saya renungkan,

saya nggak bisa menggunakan pendekatan saya menasehati anak saya dengan value yang ditanamkan di saat saya berkembang. Dengan value mereka di sekitar mereka. my approach to advise my children with the value that was planted when I was growing up with their values around them. So, look at the value first. If the value, if I am considered the value that he conveyed

to the status quo of certain people, especially baby boomers and my generation. Why aren't there many people who are considered to have problems with their ethics? The money for the songs has already started to have problems. In my time, it was already the most controversial. But he was aware, he conveyed it when the value had changed.

And he wanted to put more pressure on the critical space. That's what I understand. So, seeing the value will change. I have heard the president's speech. I don't mention the president's name. Then the ministers said,

what was said about the state order, it's not correct. Because we are Asian. I told the minister and the president, if you relate the state order to the Asian values, this presidential system is not an Asian system. The jazz you wear is not the jazz of Asians. It's not the Asian system. The jazz you use is not an Asian jazz.

It's not an Asian style. So, sometimes, the value comes to corner our opponent. Not to see the substance context. We forget the substance context. So, it's weird. The state's defense, when it's facing public criticism,

they say, you're not Asian. Even though they're wearing western clothes. They're wearing western clothes. But you said that when your children say such things, it's not good to be heard. No. I have to admit it. Because I have a different value from them.

But it's weird if I force my values to the generation that has their own values. Okay. Mas Dad, I don't think the same way with his son.

No.

Very democratic. If so, the son is wrong.

Yes, that's right.

There is a perspective that we must respect. It can't be like before. It can't be like before. It can't be like before. This forum is on purpose. I am aware that this forum will be ready to accept jokes. It will accept the impact of what it will say. So, I am not wrong, the audience is not wrong.

The value is in the room, which is not compared to the value of people who are different, what is it called, social environment. If someone says that this is my survival method. In what? In surviving, because if he doesn't do this, he won't have the joke.

He really realizes who the audience is. Who is ready to receive different kinds of jokes. He even deliberately insulted and made people laugh. For example, the silver people. That's insulting. Insulting the layers of the economy of other people.

But the people who realized it were laughing. They were insulted and laughed. The one who paid in silver also laughed. He paid in silver, insulted the economy class, and laughed. So, this must be understood in that approach. And it's normal for a stand-up comedian,

because he sells his art, he has a way to understand his audience. If you say that's how it's sold, it's how it's sold. He sells tickets. It's how you sell it. Yes, he sells tickets. Yes, it's how you survive.

Yes, I also realize that New York is expensive. Yes, that's right. So, what should we think of it? I think we are entering a very different era of life. The art is also different. Stand-up comedy is not something that is in our various chakras.

Social, politics, economy. Today, our politics use stand-up comedy. Our social use stand-up comedy. Our economy uses stand-up comedy. Our economy uses stand-up comedy. Many companies invite them to laugh. Mas Dedy, the educator of this podcast, uses stand-up comedy a lot.

It's changed. Now, people who are not in this phase, need to learn about the new space of social life of this community. Don't use the value of the law here while the era has developed. So that's why sometimes

the law is left behind in the development of society. The law must run faster. This is the function of people who make laws. Don't look at it now, but 20-25 years ahead. That's why people in law shouldn't be stupid. If you have the ability to handle it like me,

then just be a podcaster. If you're smart, you should be a judge. So, don't be the opposite. Okay. What do you mean? You said that this should be treated like what? Very mature.

How is the context of being very mature? Is it a comedy, a joke, or what? I want to tell a story story about the satir of the state, which I think is the best punchline in its era. There are two stories. One, when our mother and father were considered monkeys by the Dutch.

What did our mother and father do? Mas Deb will see in the history photos. Our fathers wore jas on their heads. They wore dasi on their heads. But they wore sarong underneath. What was their response to the colonizers?

You said, this is an elite outfit. We said, we have the same rights. But we still maintain our culture. That was one of the greatest hits. One time, Haji Agus Salim was insulted as a goat in an international forum. I know that story. That's the story. Then, when he moved, people were shouting,

he was joking, apparently there were a lot of goats in this room. All the audience was shocked. Even when he ate, he ate with his hands. Then people insulted him. Because they all ate with spoons.

They insulted him. He said, this one hand went into this mouth. While your spoon went into the other's mouth. That made him silent. So, actually, there are a lot of punchlines,

a lot of narratives that are very extraordinary. And that has become a tradition for comedians today. But if I'm not mistaken, today, I saw on Twitter, X, Gibran was answering. So he posted a news, there was a news about the health of people who are sleepy.

So, how to stop being sleepy, there's a way to say up, and so on. Then he said, I'll just try this. If I'm not mistaken, it's like that. So, I mean, maybe it should be like that. If it's done by an official, that's a cool official, I think.

It's been done, I think.

That's good.

It means maybe it's like that. That's the way adults respond to the political space. Criticizing the opponent. That's what Abel Salim did. Whether it's Gibran or his team, that's the answer. If it's Mas Gibran, cool.

Okay, you're being praised.

It's okay.

Why would you criticize? If it's true, it's true. That's good. If it's true, let's say it's true, it's true. If it's true, let's say it's true, in my opinion, it's true.

Let's check it. Let's check it. Let's check the action. In my opinion, it's true. Check it, Bim. Check it, Bim.

Let's find it. If it's true, it means people who are out there, who are offended, are invalid. That's cool. The one who represents Gibran is invalid.

It's weird, he feels that Gibran is offended, but it turns out that he is not offended. Yes, he is invalid. He is invalid, of course. He accused it as an insult, Mas Dibran responded as usual. Is it true that our country is full of people who are offended? Yes, I think so.

Many people are offended. About religion, about this, about that. That's not made up. Yes. Whether it's made up or not. There are many other things that we need to be offended.

For example, now the corruptors are no longer on display. We should be concerned. The law is being played with. The face of the law is not as good as the mind. They prefer to show off billions of dollars compared to the process of enforcing the law itself.

We should be more concerned about that compared to the things that we should respond to more maturely. This is not a legal story, it's more of a false story. Yes, it is. I understand. When I want to talk to you, I knew that legally, I couldn't. But then, what happened?

Because in my mind... Mas Dede, why did you come to the prison? He asked, what's your crime? Yesterday, you wrote on the X. What's your crime? Comment on IG.

Our republic is funny. Meanwhile, there are so many spaces for forgiveness in other crimes. So, we can't be a religious fool. I mean, a country. At a certain point, I think, what is interesting, what people need to think about is

how can social the social relationship. There are many ways, Ded. If it is considered as a violation of social values, it should not be punished. For example, there was a story about social work. Ded, do you remember a famous supermodel in our era, the black skinned woman she raped a man in a hotel. She was not sentenced to death.

She was sentenced to clean the location. She cleaned the place in a few months. It taught her how to respect others. So, we have to be aware that not everything is a crime. If there is a problem, if there is no problem,

we shouldn't punish them. We shouldn't punish them socially. But it doesn't mean only from the officials or the government. It means our society is vulnerable. I think the official's job is not to protect the vulnerable. The official's job is to give them maturity.

For example? For example, if there is someone who insults, they are more likely to get angry. I can't imagine someone insulting Pak Bahlil. He's a person who likes to joke. He always has a lot of jokes.

He's closer to people than... He's funny, he's funny. Maybe people will respect Pak Bahlil more. People will lose the story of insulting Mr. Bahlil. I don't agree with insulting his physique. Mr. Bahlil just needs to learn

so that with all the powers he has, he doesn't look stupid in front of the public. Because what the public sees can be very different. Even joking can be different. It can be very different. Even joking can be different. It can be very different. People can do all kinds of things.

When we see our physique and all kinds of things, we are not perfect. And if we go back to the story of Mas Dede about Mas Panji's son, in my opinion, Mas Panji, at a certain point, must be ready for this situation. But the person who insulted your son

is not worthy of using insults against people who have nothing to do with what you did. Okay. So you also have to realize that the consequence of got from what he did was an attack on his family.

But his son, not a single scorn should be insulted. I also agree with his wife who said... It's my karma. If I want to attack, I will attack. Just attack, Panji. That's fair. The public also has to learn to be fair. The example is also important people.

You have to be an example. Everyone says it's fair. When Ferry Amsari said, Sir, please apologize. Immediately apologize. About the MBG.

People see a new tradition that should appear. The office should also be like that. Don't hold on first, after it's crowded, then apologize. Don't be like that too, Ded. Don't hold back after it's crowded, then apologize. Don't be like that, officer. If he knows he's wrong, just apologize.

Yes, but... Officer, right? No, no.

It's good.

Power. Not like that. But, Alferi, do you know there are I'm very tall. I'd a comic a comic a young dude who disarm a C. Deep cooling war gun. Yeah, so one of the comedies was about a cat. A cat, a cat, a cat. Like Mas Panji about cats?

Yeah, I was hit by a cat.

Yeah.

Yeah, I was hit by a cat. And then, he said about a certain area, my house is like this, this, this, the area is like this.

I got hit when I got home.

What if the associations come to the foresters because they have lost their homes and their forest dwellers? They should. Be brave.

They should.

Don't be with the fishermen. Be with the rulers. Be with the rich.

They should.

This is weird, right? Who was in jail when... In jail? About the musang? The one that... The one in jail?

Religious dissidents.

You mean religious dissidents?

Yes. The one that Mr. Anis was in.

What did he say?

The one that Anis was in.

Oh, that case?

Yes.

Yes, that was in, right?

Yes. 7 months. If Arif Brata was hit? Yeah. Yeah, that's a deal, right? Yeah.

7 months.

If it's an even number,

you'll get beaten up, right? Yeah, you'll get beaten up.

Even number? Even number, you'll get beaten up. The famous one.

Yeah.

He was joking. The point is, he just moved house. Contract at one of the houses. Then he was joking. The point is, he was joking about the new house location. I was like, what do I do? I didn't want to talk about it. So I went home.

I was greeted by the people. For me, not everyone can catch a joker. It's the same as the preman in Simpang, our village. Indeed.

That's why it's easy to get upset. That's the role of the country, Mas Dad. People can't use their perspective to judge other people's perspectives. For example, you insult me in many ways. Is it my right to hit you?

Your mouth, your thoughts, your space, is it my right? If there are things that shouldn't be done, they should be used in the right steps. We can have a dialogue. You are the coolest person on earth.

You can.

Why don't you use this forum to talk to me directly? There are many ways. But, beating is different. Beating is a crime. Beating is a crime? Oh, okay.

Imagine a country that let people beat crime. Oh, okay. Imagine if the country let others to be beaten. That's why the country has to take action. Don't say that the country is taking action. If physically attacked, the country is not taking action.

That's wrong.

If it was Arief Brata, he would be arrested by the police. He would be dismissed by the police. That's weird. question. I think it's a good question. I think it's a good question. I think it's a good question. I think it's a good question.

I think it's a good question.

I think it's a good question. I think it's a joke. Because he was the one who captured it. Try to check it. Anyway, anyhow, that's good. If it's true. That's it. That's really cool. And that's what every state ambassador has to do. That's the way to respond to the public. And we have to learn to do it together. Don't do everything with sanctions, beatings, criminalization. Remember, criminalization will not allow

to lose the perspective of the people to the government. It won't change either. It's even worse. Oh, there's a story about the IG, Gibran. Yes, what's the text?

Tips to overcome your anxiety with a simple test.

With a simple test. Very good punchline.

Right? That's how Gibran can do it.

Why does everyone feel upset? It should be like this. Mas Gibran made... What was it? Klaus Dodor made a comedy about roasting. Panji roasting Mas Gibran, Mas Gibran roasting Panji.

That's cool. Comica's friends usually write jokes for Mas Gibran. In America, it is a tradition. And it was lost during the time of Donald Trump. It's called correspondence dinner. Correspondence dinner.

Yes. It's a reporter from the palace. But that dinner is specially for roasting the president and his ranks, the president will give a reply to the roaster and the reporters in that room. That's a cool tradition, Ska.

Did Trump say that?

Donald Trump said that. Because Donald Trump often made jokes during the correspondence dinner. That's cool. If we have that tradition, close the door, make it, that's cool. If we have that tradition, close the door, make it, that's cool. After the presidential election, they have a dinner after the election

which includes the candidate A roasting the candidate B, and vice versa. With the condition that everyone present contribute to the needs of the country's problematic.

Oh, that's beautiful. That's beautiful.

So, everyone got it. They can talk freely. And people shouldn't get angry. Because the candidates are just kidding. And you can give a reply. Don't be angry.

Everyone can give a reply with a good jokes. So, there must be a tradition. Don't copy the bad jokes. That's true. For example, close the door for a prayer dinner.

There's a roasting for the Semaltrak disaster. I'm sure that's cool.

That's true. Yes, that's right. That's right. That's why we made it.

We're going to call Gibran. I'm going home soon. When are you going home? February.

February?

February? I'll meet Wapres and Panji and see how they're doing. I think it's possible. I'll ask Panji, how was it? The excitement? Yes, I think it was okay. I'm not sure, I'm not sure. Mas Telak.

He can bring all the curses closer. But if it happens, it's really good, it's really relaxing. It's amazing. It unites many things.

It's really relaxing.

It makes people mature. But with the forum, it's like loosening the head, it doesn't mean uniting the political perspective. We can be different in politics. But, please, calm down.

Yes.

Yes. It's true. I...

You can imagine. Watch the correspondent dinner of one of my favorite, when Barack Obama... I'm. Watch it. One of my favorite dinner correspondents, when Barack Obama...

I'm looking for it.

Jimmy Kimmel, who became... Oh, that's so funny. He started like this. President Obama, Assalamualaikum.

That's already...

Everyone laughed. Because of Obama's status, whether he was a Muslim or not. I also remember the punchline, the country's mother at that time, who was it? Obama's wife, Michelle Obama. She was a sports enthusiast, like Mas Dede. She was a bit anti-seeing people like me.

So she told me, thank you for inviting the citizens of the country to live a healthy life, exercise every day. There was Chris Christie, one of the governors, as big as me. I grabbed him and told him to push up. That joke was so cruel. But everyone understood the context. Maybe Chris Christie remembered, watch out, one by one, one time I replied.

But the context is like that. I was so sad. I was so sad. I was so sad. I was so sad. I was so sad.

I was so sad.

I was so sad. I'm tired of it. Especially now when I watch political debates on TV. I'm sad sometimes. I get asked a lot on IG. Why don't you invite people to discuss this and that?

I think, I'll just watch it like a clown.

You know what I mean. I'll just watch it like a clown. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean. Yeah, I understand. I'll just watch it like a clown. What am I supposed to say? The weird arguments that come up. Wow, suddenly a Japanese language comes out.

Yeah, even someone wants to punch. Yeah. Actually, that's what needs to be limited by TV. Rules must be made. If people do actions that are close to violence, Actually, that's what TV should limit. They should make rules. If people do something that's close to violence, they should not be invited again.

Yes, until they're promoted. But it's a rating. In the rating room, there should be a higher value.

Yes.

Don't be the opposite. Yes. So if you ask why I don't want to discuss, I'm We're going to the Gemadang. We're going to the area of disaster while we're eating. I had a dream that one day we were on my podcast. Come on. Like Anthony Bourdain. Come on.

He talks about politics, but he talks about food.

That's right.

Okay, ready.

Let's do it later.

Ready.

We're going to Padang.

Ready. Ready.

Om Ferry, thank you very much.