Satinder Sartaaj ने कैसे बनाए Udaarian,Sajjan Raazi? वर्कआउट से Vikas Divyakirti तक के किस्से | GITN

Guests in my newsroom are our guests today, Dr. Satyendra Sartaj. You're such a darling man! I have cried while listening to your songs.

This was the biggest dream of my life. I never thought I would become a stage performer. I wanted to become a music professor. your songs. I used to sing secondary. When I went to Dubai, we came there to sing Bhangra. We got the prize. My friends said, you sing too. Sing too. What did you sing in Dubai?

We can't live in peace without you, my love.

Did you start learning music or writing?

Music. I started writing poetry in my master's. It was a year in 2008 when I went to the library in the day. I had to go to study. So I wrote a song. I sang it whenever I had a tea break.

I wrote it again. 5 songs a day. I have a small room behind my house. I have named it Nazmga. After 2016, all the songs you have heard till date, whether it's Ritwa, Ikonike, or Ravi, or anything,

I dub them myself. Even Rang is dubbed. If it's a 7-minute song, I'll sing it 2-3 times in between. So, I dub it in 8-9, maximum 10 minutes, I'll sing the song. The next song, then... So, I still have around 200-250 such vocals in my phone.

I've dubbed them. I hope I'm not talking too much. Sir is not saying anything. No, we're just sitting here to listen to you. I'm starting to get scared now. No, no, no. It's true, right? Yes, absolutely true. Yes. But you can ask me any other question.

But I'm still thinking that in the law field, I learned to run.

That's how you learned.

That's how you came here. Wake up in the morning, get ready, go to the department. Come in the afternoon, eat, go to sleep. Wake up in the evening, get ready, go to the market. Punjabis say, Anna Villa. So I punished myself. I didn't have breakfast for a year and a half.

Now I'm sitting at the harmonium. So I'm thinking, I can't sing, I can't eat.

We have a guy with is a zealot. But he has a Shukrwar on his head.

Shukrwar?

Yes.

I just want to keep my side.

Yes, yes.

In many evenings, in many sad afternoons, my soul has been broken by your voice.

Wow, Salman! Wow! Wow!

I thought she was acting. No, no.

Whenever we are tired and we are going back home, we listen to Udaari. We will be honoured if you sing two lines. Do you have any question? I honoured if you sing two lines. Do you have any questions? Questions?

I just want you to sing two lines. I mean, you sing. Hahaha.

You've made me a fan.

I've been given such eyes. I couldn't stop my heart even if I wanted to. I've been kept in love. Nothing was left for me

Wow!

Mr. Farakh, it's just a matter of opinion Things are decreasing as usual. If you have not forgotten to smile, then you will see a little comedy. Otherwise, there is a controversy. Everyone is a voice. Everyone wants to speak. How many people want to hear?

Everyone wants to take their voice to the heights. Everyone wants to speak. Everyone wants to speak. Everyone wants to speak. Everyone wants to speak. hai jo bolna chahata hai, sunna kitne hi log chahate hai. Har koi hai jo shor ke beech mein apne shor ko bulandiyon par le jana chahata hai.

In sab ke beech, gar kabhi kisi mod par, kuhase se bhare waqt mein aap se ek aawaz do chaar ho jaye, jo aap ko lage ki swar lipiyan to baad mein hai, roshni pehle hai. to This is the story of the voice full of such beauty. Suppose, this is the world's largest stage. Thousands of people, lakhs of people are listening to a voice full of spirituality. But where does this process start? Suppose, there is a Gurudwara established by Maharaj, there is an old man who goes to that Gurudwara of Harihavela without a Naga and does Karseva. He does Seva, he wipes the shoes of people daily.

Life is in the middle of these two drums. On one side there are lakhs of people in the concert, and a man of light is dancing and on one side his father and he is taught the lesson of piousness that everything will go, name will go, pride will go, honor will go, will be saved, so this is the feeling of servant in front of power, feeling of service. But these things became full of spirituality, But these are very spiritual and philosophical things.

Life is like a swing of a gourd, which can come and sit at your feet, pinch two grains of wheat and swing and go somewhere else from your shoulder. And when it feels like that, then life is as easy as black tea coated with honey. Today's guests are so simple and full of light. I am feeling very peaceful that after the election crisis in Bihar, I am getting a chance to face this spirituality.

Today's guests are those who hear them, and their morning is filled with purity. has and the coolness and freshness increases. After listening to them, peace increases, confidence increases, and it is decided that everything is not in a hurry, everything is not in a hurry, everything is not filled with fuss.

There are some things in the jungle that are like the roots of the oldest tree in the jungle, which make it possible to learn about the plants around us. Our guest in the newsroom today is a Sufi poet, who has made the Punjabi folk music popular all over the world, especially among the youth. He is a real-time doctor, who is very real, soft-hearted and warm-hearted. Dr Satyendra Sartaj, our guest, with a lot of effort.

Welcome.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Vari Radiant Solar Ki. Rooftop mein aane wali har mushkil ka jawab.

Aapne shuru mein itni shairi kar di hai. Mere khayal se ab mere liye kuch bacha nahi hai. Aur sabhi yahan jo log baithe hain, mere khayal se wo is baat ke shahid hain, ki wo is particular segment. Whoever the artist is, they make them so big. This is your greatness and this is the beauty of your influence and the Hindustani-ness of the words that are embedded in it.

The Ganga-Jammu culture, which I call it, we are very much in favour of it.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

Thank you so very much.

I am saying with confidence that there is not a single word that I have felt that I have said in praise of someone who has come. I have cried while listening to your songs.

Goodness.

Yes, I mean, when I listen to your early songs, I get tears in my eyes. I don't know where we go holding the strings of that voice. That's why whatever I said, I felt it. Oh. We hold the strings and go. That's why whatever I said, I felt it. Right? And especially in such times when there is a lot of noise, a lot of mischief, a lot of fights,

and there is less belief in things, so there should be something on which faith should be built. Your songs are like that for us.

Shokhi's are good, all things are there. All things are there, but there is Shokhi is good, everything is there. But there is a tolerance behind it.

There is a purity.

So thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you for inviting us here and especially with your team. I was looking all the people who can be counted as the chosen ones of this country have come here.

Yes, you are right.

I would say that whatever the government has given me, I don't deserve it. It is their karma. Otherwise, I don't have any such thing.

Thank you. I want to understand, Sadhnaji, how was the initial phase of the village-village? Because when I was reading about you, I felt like a child sitting on sand and waiting for the water to reduce and then he will go.

Wow. Tell me, sir. Thank you for sitting in the capital of your country and describing a small village in a small province so beautifully that I felt that life can be beautiful in any way. First of all, I would like to thank you for this. beautifully stated that life can be beautiful in any way. My village is called Bajrawar. Some people call it Bajror.

I used it in this way. I had a Urdu story, Koh Kaaf. A poet wrote that he is from Lahore, I have a doubt that he is from my village, Bajraur. The same Punjab's full light queen, There is a king who is her support.

I wander in Koh Kaafs, sometimes in Makdoonia, sometimes in Bukhara. I look for that hidden beauty, somewhere there kahi to mahjabeen ka ho nazara. So, obviously when the Britishers came, they wrote Bajrawar as B-A-J-R-A-W-A-R, so people started reading it as Bajrawar. I think so. But there is Rajputana Rangat on that too. There are many Rajput people there. Because in the footsteps of the mountains, our district is Hisharpur.

So there are many Rangats of Himachal. If you go to Hisharpur in the evening in winter, you will get a lot of Rangat. Because Una is close to us. So when it rains from the mountains there, even if it is not in the plains, the water that comes in the plains due to the water of our village and Gurudwara Harianvelan, which is the historical land of Guru Harai Sahib, we used to go there in our childhood.

We went in the morning, everything was fine, it did not rain. Now when we have to come back, when it is time to feed the animals, that we have to get the fruits from the fields, we found out that the water had risen. It was not raining, how did the water come? So that was a metaphor created. At that time, you kids don't know,

either you will take a bath, or run, play, or go back to the Gurudwara, if the water is added, you will come. Now I feel all the pleasures. As you understand life, you get closer to nature. I have been asked thousands of times, what inspires you?

My biggest inspiration is nature. 80% of my songs symbolism metaphor is around nature. There is a song of mine that has been released. Please tell them the translation of it. aftabi ulfataan baare karan jo mashware uscho umeedaan di taani noo mili itlaa ehi ki hijar de mausam che rakhne kis tarah jazbe hare. So this is a little difficult for my language.

Because you are driving metaphor to metaphor. to all the conditions and spheres have been inserted. So, because it is a very ordinary house, ordinary village, they do agriculture, and the Doaba region, if you see, there are four regions of Punjab,

Majha, Malwa, Doaba, Puadh. Doaba is the land between two rivers between Satluj and Bias. And the smaller the land, the smaller the land is divided into parts. That is why in Punjab, the land is the smallest in Duaba. This is the reason why the first migration from migrate from is Jhana Pradesh. These four districts are Hosharpur, Jalandhar, Kapurthala, and Navashehra.

Apart from Jalandhar, you may have heard less names of these districts. So, that is why people from that area are more educated. Because they know that the land is so small, business won't work. If you study, you'll get a good job. Otherwise, you'll go abroad.

So you said that I became a doctor with great difficulty. And that was the biggest dream of my life. I never thought that I would become a stage performer. I wanted to become a music professor and I used to see many people writing doctor. Like Dr. Jagtar, a Punjabi poet. which on paint se nahi, wo brown color ki hoti hai, safed color ka kaagaz kaata, kaise uspe likh liya Dr. Satyendra, MA first year mein. Jab ke abhi toh bada marhala tai karna tha, toh

second year hoga, pass hoge ke nahi hoge, MPhil hoi, fir PhD hoi ja ke. Toh lekin wo He went on to get a PhD. But when he got that, I thought life was over. But when this river of poetry started to flow, when the music started to feel like a pleasure, people started to like it, and the caravan moved forward.

Nice.

We'll come to the PhD, but I want to know what kind of music did you face in your childhood, while going to home or to the Gurudwara?

Obviously, it is religious. Majority. The house where I was born and raised, it was very religious. My grandmother, who was there, had a lot of influence on me. Even today, you mentioned my father. My uncle.

I am the youngest in my family. In the whole family. My father is the youngest among his brothers and sisters. And I am the youngest among my own. So it wasn't like you were listening to music or listening to the radio. There was no tape recorder.

The radio would only work when Mr. Amritsar would come to Gurbani at 5 o'clock. After that, it would stop. It would work in the morning. Apart from this, your studies, the good words in Punjabi, the songs, it becomes part of your nature that it is good that you can read it somewhere. So, gradually, like there will be Bal Sabha,

the small Gurudwara of the village, there are morning and evening rounds, near the Gurupurab. So, in that, finding a song like that, then singing it, or some old songs, which are traditional folk songs, I sang some old songs, traditional folk songs, religious songs.

Like?

Like, Takya Main Babar De Darbar Ik Mastana Jogi.

Please sing it in a little bit of a higher pitch, then I will understand.

Takya Main Babar de jail khane pisar nu mil de daane chakita kar di sat kartaar ek mastana jogi This is about Guru Nanak Dev Ji when he was imprisoned. I consider him very close to folk music.

Every folk musician knows this.

So did you start learning music first or writing first?

Music. I think my poetry started in my master's second year.

Okay.

Yes. The song was that, I will be in the third or fourth class, because the upbringing is such who are from a Sikh family, they would understand that you have to do Gurbani, do Kanyatnim, morning and evening, you have to do Ardas,

you have to do Muzhbani, you have to do Aani. The biggest thing is to sit on the Guru Granth Sahib's feet. And it is called Hukm-Nama. You have to fold some pages like this, Sit on Guru Granth Sahib's feet and say the commandment. You have to fold some pages and open them. Whatever page comes, that is called Guru Maharaj's commandment. You have to read that.

So, we call it Santhya. You might have this Hindi word here. To properly correct the pronunciation of that thing, to So, I went to my uncle's house in Nanka village in Punjab. So, when I returned from Mumbai, Chandigarh airport was closed. There is an airport in Jalandhar district in Adhampur. It is only 11 km from my Nanka village.

I said, I don't know when I can come back. So, let's go today. So, I went there for about 10 days. It wouldn't have been even 10 days. First, we went to the village streets. It was a empty evening.

We didn't even tell anyone. We passed through that street. Gurudwara Sahib went there. He bowed his head. And then it came to my mind that I wrote a few lines on it. I wrote it in prose, not in poetry.

This is the village where we used to play as kids. And when I used to recite on the mic of this Gurudwara, the whole village would know that the Dota of the foreigners had come. My grandfather was abroad at that time. to I started singing in the Bal Sabha, then in the Prabhat Pheriyon, and then I think I did my first competition in the District level in the class of 2. I didn't even know that there was a folk competition, which folk song is there and which is not. So if you sang a good song there, folk, they gave me a special prize.

Because it was not in folk. Which song was it? It was a poem by Sujit Patar. So it may not be considered folk. But I think all good things are folk. It used to be like this.

So it was like that.

This is very very good thing.

Most good things are fake. Yes, this is true. What is in the world is good. Yes, what is in the world is good.

So, you continued learning music after 12th grade.

My official learning is that when there are 10th grade holidays in Punjab, people go to their aunt's house, or to their aunt's house, I go to my 10th, when there are holidays in Punjab. Some people go to their aunt's, some to their aunt's, I used to go to my uncle's.

So I went there, we were playing, and from their family, a harmonium was coming from their house. The holidays in June, it was afternoon, so I opened on the door and opened it. I asked, what is going on? He didn't know what was going on. I said, I have to play what is going on.

He said, come inside. He is Mr. Lakrit Singh, I have just met him in the village. So, this is how it started. And I went inside, he still has the white harmonium. The name of the village is Lutera Kala, it is in the district of Jalandhar. Jalandhar Kent is 25 km from there.

So, Lakveer ji and I used to go to Jalandhar Kent from Lutera Kala on a cycle in the morning. There is a diploma of 5 years in the Sange. There, in the ancient art centre, there is a diploma of 5 years of music. They started that with me. So, as long as I had holidays, I kept coming and going. I would get lessons every day.

We would come and practice in the evening. I would give an exam. So, as my plus one, plus two, and graduation finally happened, my masters, sorry, graduation, I got my Master's degree, sorry, my graduation with Music Honours. And from there, I got my 5-year diploma in Music.

So this is where my official education of music starts.

At home, there was a discussion about this, when we were growing up, what would you do when you grew up? Jobs, livelihood, all those kinds of problems used to discuss about what we would do when we grew up. Jobs, food, that kind of issues used to come.

100% 100% I mean, I am either a candidate from those people or from those families, whichever you consider right, who are very concerned about their family. Generally, it can also happen that whatever is the will, you just stay in the mood, nothing will happen. Even today, I have with me, I have that paper at home, which I started writing a little Persian

in my university hostel. to So, I thought people wouldn't understand that he thinks he's smart. So, you get tagged. Don't try to be smart. You know, just chill. There's a tag. You're a group of seven people.

If there's one person who thinks of the family, spends less, travels travels less, who reads more, so instead of praising him, I think he is being mocked. This is what happens in Punjab. So I, whether it is in Punjabi or English, I wrote it in Farsi, in Shahmukhi, so that no one else would understand what I wrote.

It is a small room, you can keep a light or books in it. It's a small room in a hostel. So, I wrote in Punjabi, Oh God, you gave me so much strength, that my parents, with so many hopes and wishes, with so much difficulty,

with so much money, sent me to study in Chandigarh from my village, I was able to fulfill their dreams. I think I got that room in my second year, 143. So I wrote down my dreams in that. So that's why I always wanted to earn something,

send it home, do something like that. So for that, I went to many houses in Chandigarh and taught music. And because I was an international Bhangra artist in Dubai, I played dhol in the evening. There is a ground called Law Ground in Piyu. So they gave me permission to play dhol here from 6 to 7 in the evening.

So I put up that poster, which you talked about 38 West, 38 West, 16, 15, and in the market of the university campus, small black colored pamphlets were put up, that learn Bhangra.

Learn basic.

After 21 years? This must be after the master's degree, after my MA. I remembered this thing, that job, so I did my Master's, either by force or my parents sent me there with their happiness. But after that they told me to do B.Ed and become a teacher. So I gave B.Ed papers, passed and everything was done.

But I thought that if I go to B.Ed and leave the campus, then the problem will be solved. So I started convincing my parents that MPhil is a bigger thing than B.Ed. Professors are more important than this. So they said, okay, the poor villagers, whatever you tell them is right. So when I left the beer and started the MFL, then I found out that you cannot get money from home.

And you should not get it either. Then I started doing this work. Small, small, so that I can at least pay my own fees. And if possible, I can send home too. So there is a peace in service, there is a peace in humanity. So, first of all, to keep some earnings on the account of your parents,

I think this is also a very peaceful thing. When you read their faces, after that, my song was that, Walid dekhe supne tu poore karde, Tu fikiyan tasveeran de vich rang parde, Kuch kam jide mumkin hon munasib nahi hunde, Jo kharchi le hon wo aksar kasib nahi hunde, Khan daan de sirte jida sitare launda e, Wo meinad di pathi vich angyare launda e,

So pareshaniyan na vadaya karo, to to So whenever I talk about this, they find it so correlative, so relevant, because this is something that happens with almost every child. So this is how I started my job. So after MPhil, I started teaching the Masters in my department during my doctorate. But I don't know what life had written to people, my stories, my style, or something like you said, if people like you, who are not of that language,

if their eyes are filled with this, then it is a divine sign, I don't think there is a human presence in it. And how did the Arabic-Farsi, especially the learning of Farsi, begin? The reason for that is that my gathering was of Punjabi Sufi Gayan Parampara, but when the PhD started, the entire phenomenon that goes to the Middle East, from Maulana Rumi to Atta, Saadi Shirazi,

all Persian poets, you have to quote them, read them. So for that I did a certificate course and then a diploma course, in which fortunately they gave me a gold medal in the department of Persian and Urdu in campus. So, that was not a burden for me. It was a pleasure for me. Because language is very important for me, I shouldn't say it, but it is more important than music.

So, to speak everything with such delight and precision, to understand the meaning of it, such small things used to happen. So, gradually it developed in you to such an extent that you started becoming like that. So, I think this was the reason for my being close to Persian. Because the language of Punjab, Punjabi is a Persian word itself.

Sardar is a Persian word. There are so many words. Because when Maharaja Ranjit Singh was in the court in Lahore, his court language was Persian. Even today, if you go to an old Paitug village in Punjab, and you have to buy or sell a land,

you will still find the same taste of language in the documents. And in all this, the thought that I will teach you Bhangra, you will get four paise. How did this idea come? See, I think Bhangra, if you are born in a village in Punjab, then it is almost in your blood. Whether you polish it or not, it is just a little bit. Sir. If I was learning music, then Bhangra was my preferred thing.

Music was secondary. When I went to Punjab, I mean, it was India's team, but majorly it was Bhangra's team, so it must have been from Punjab. So when I went to Dubai, there's a festival there. You must have been there sometime. It's a cultural village there.

It's been many years now. I saw it from a distance. I took a picture of it. I came here for the first time. So we came there to sing Bhangra. We got a prize.

So there was a competition going on for singing. So my friends said, you sing too. You should sing too. So I sang there and I got a little prize. So I thought, this is a very good thing. So since then I thought that this song is also fine with Bhangra.

But it was fine that Bhangra gradually became negative and the song came forward.

What did you sing there in Dubai?

I sang a song of Khan Sahab, of Nusrat Sahab. Because since childhood, the first cassette I listened to was of Nusrat Sahab. So, the story I am telling of Lakveer Ji, at his house, on his tape record, he played Nusrat Sahib's song, Kawali. I said, I have sung this song. He did not laugh so loudly, but he smiled a little and said, yes, it's okay. And he must have thought that a 600-year-old background and a farmer's song, I have sung

this. But you can say such things in naivety, I mean, you can say it in stupidity. I can't say it like that. Now if I... This is my stanza of the song. I'll say it. I know you may not understand. the If someone says something that is based on experience, then listen to it, don't say anything. Become a teacher, then also keep learning. Don't give up.

Wow, sir. Very beautiful.

Thank you.

But what was that Qawwali?

That Qawwali, you will call it Qawwali. You mentioned harmonium, our team will play harmonium. No, no.

There is a song by Sanu Iqbal Chah Naave, which I heard for the first time when I was a kid. It came close to you. There are many things that make you fight. It was like that. So, I...

Can you sing two lines? You also remember the days in Dubai. You have understood, you have come to know that you are not even close to that. So you are very scared of singing that song. As long as you don't have knowledge, for me, Ignorance is a Bliss, it is a perfect quote, Sir. I don't know about a lot of things,

so you keep saying something, so it's fine. As soon as you start knowing, you start coming inside, so your talks start to stop. But you are saying that I will do this of the Guru. I am a follower of the Guru. I am a follower of the Guru.

I am a follower of the Guru. Sajnaa tere bina saanu ik pal chain na yaave. Sajnaa tere bina.

Wow. Wow.

And I will give you a little more time.

I remembered because we are in Delhi.

There used to be a competition here. I will give you a little more time. I remembered, because we are in Delhi.

There used to be a competition here. You must know about it. The competition won by Sonu Nigam. It was a competition of Sangam Kala Group. It was held in the Sreeport Auditorium. So, he used to get papers then, that, should do a film on farms, then you will go.

First win the state, then you will go to the national. So I came from Chandigarh State, Uttar Pradesh. So I got my prize from there. So I was here. I didn't know what this Siri Photography Room was. So this happened there too.

So I sang this song there and they gave me the first prize in the national competition. So, I think this is the first time I have said this. I never remembered that I have said this. I remember that Iqbal Chahan Nawaz said this.

Wow! and Iqbal Chahan Navid's talk came to my mind. Wow, amazing.

But I am still thinking that in the Law ground,

you learnt Bhangra.

Yes, I learnt from there. You have pasted the poster around. Yes, you have seen that area, 16th sector, 15th sector especially, where most of the university students go for outings in the evening, after the 14th market, it is 15th.

We are talking about Punjab University, which is in Chandigarh. Because Chandigarh is divided into sectors, so the sectors right in front of the university

are mentioned, 14th and 15th, that's why repeatedly. I am sorry, I am not able to hear you properly. So, the poster was printed and I was living in 38C for a long time. When I left the hostel, I rented a house there. So, should I start with the Bhangra first? Or should I go there?

You keep telling. We are just chatting.

Okay, fine. Because I get detracked. No problem, no detrack. So that is the house where I have written Sai Geet. The problem was that even today, everyone knows how to make anything, sir. And no one can make tea like me. Now, when you are a hostler, if any of you are, then this is not a problem for them to eat and drink. Because they wake up in the morning, have breakfast in the canteen.

Sir, they are in their mess. Okay, they are in the mess. In the afternoon, they have lunch in the mess. At night, they have lunch in the mess. So, in the mess. I had lunch in the mess in the afternoon. I had dinner in the mess in the evening. The rest of the work is fine. When my father left me at the beginning of the campus,

my department was on this side, the gate of the university, from where my father was leaving me. So when the child came home for the first time, I felt like, Daddy is mood. I was in a very bad mood. I was in a very bad mood. I was in a very bad mood. I was in a very bad mood. I was in a very bad mood. I was in a very bad mood.

I was in a very bad mood. I was in a is no work. Wake up in the morning, get ready, go to the department, come in the afternoon, eat, sleep, wake up in the evening, get ready, go to the market, come and chat with friends, sleep, and the next day again. And when I was in the village, sir, you have to arrange for the animals in the morning, in the afternoon, and there too.

So, I said, in Punjabi, gahnde, aina villa? Haan, toh mere zain mein sach much yeh baat hai. Toh woh jo mera gaana hai, ke filhaal hawama rumk diyaan, jad chakhad chullu vekhaange, aj kara akal da unayen, jad parke dullu vekhaange. Jithe jee karda turjai da, sada ta koi tikana nahin, ja mudna nahin hafta hafta, ja kai mahine jana nahin, kai chirton khaye hostel di kar phulka phulu vekhange, philhal hawama rumkdiyain jad chikhad chulu vekhange. Ab There is no work. So, in such an environment, when I got a doctorate, I am studying in the

university, but the warden also said that you are a senior, so it is a good thing to leave the hostel. So, I had that room for 8 years. So, there is a story of Punjab, my room is of Pital Di Karahi, I think Deep Kaur Tiwana Ji, so my room was like that. So, leaving it, it seemed that the world would be left. What to do?

143 number.

Yes, yes, 143. Now, that is the number of my cars. This is the only reason for that. People who have stayed in this hostel can only know that your letters are coming on it,

your results are coming on it.

Yes.

So, when I left that and started living on rent in 1938,

the problem was that I didn't know how to cook.

Now, I have woken up in the morning,

but until I get ready and go to the university campus,

I couldn't solve the problem of food.

So, then, what word should I use? In Punjab, the word is Siddhak, Siddhakdili. In Punjab, it is called Sirad. Please, if you know any Hindi word for it, please give it to me. So, I have a lot of confidence in my persistence. is I can make you do this and that. So, it is in my nature. I don't know what to say, whether it is hardworking or not. I like it.

I like to be a little strict in life. It gives you the strength to bear happiness. Yes, it does. I feel that whatever happens in life, you stay stable. There is no problem.

So, I said, if this is the reason, to to Because singing is not something that you do every day. So, in the aarti that people listen to, there is a line that, Pookhe Pakt na kije, yeh mala apni lije. Tanapak ji says, in the Gurbani also it is said that, if someone's stomach is hungry, then there can be no bhakti.

Bhukhe bhajan na hoye Gopala.

Yes. So, now I ame ab main harmonium pe baitha hoon toh ye khayal aara hai ki yaar gaana bhi nahi aara, khaana bhi nahi aara. Toh usi kya kaunga jaddo jahad mein in that same state, in that same... In the trials of life, you are sitting on harmonium and a prayer came out of a big heart. I am a believer. Sai Ve Nere Aanch Palle Na Chhudaayin Sai Ve Zindagi De Bojnu Chukaayin Sai Ve Fikranu Hawaach Udaayin Sai Ve Aage Hoke Rahan Roshnaayin

Sai Ve Mere Naal Naal Tumvi Gaayin Sai Ve Dekhi Kithe Pol Hi Na Jaayin Sai Ve Digiye Ta Phadke Uthaayin So, genuinely, this is the prayer that you get when you are in that state. So, did you write it down or did you sing it first? I sang it first, then I remembered it all and wrote it down on paper. Today, it's easier to record on a mobile phone. So I wrote it down and sang it for the first time. So everyone likes effective things.

So gradually, it reached people.

I just saw a version of this, which you were performing in Canada.

Yes, yes. It was so cute, it was a version full of fun. Yes, that was like, the way people are. We remembered Jagjit Singh sir, because he had a lot of fun with the audience,

a little interaction.

Yes, yesa interact. Haan ji, haan ji, haan ji, haan ji. Mera to yeh mere paath sir, agar mai aapka kabhi phone dikhaunga, ab to mai yeh thoda kam kar diya hai, kyunki mujhe kai cheezin kalishe lagti hain, yeh badi choti baat hai, to response to mil jai, lekar aapko baad mein lage gaya ki yeh toh badi choti baat thi. Lekin pehle sir mere paas takreeban derhsau ke kareeb aise shair hain likhe huye, agar main Frizzno gaya toh wo Frizzno ka shair hain, agar main Adelaide gaya toh wo Adelaide If Amrit Sir has gone, then where is Ram Dasa, thvahi Guru Nit, subha shama khiye, chal sirtaaj hoja, paakate suchaaj, amrit sarnu salaam akhiye. And in this later, and now this happened.

Tenu kidre lod jaan di ki si we? Sajjan sadan jado Jadon, Washington DC way. Agar aapko Gulaba Washington DC se aara hai, fir aapne kahin aur kyun jaana.

Wah!

Poori audience khush.

Khush.

Toh aapko toh yeh ek lamba, ek alag sa banana padhega, toh yeh toh pata nahi kitne shayar hai sir. Adelaide ka hai aur Calcutta ka hai. And there is one from Kolkata. Yes, there are many like that. I don't want to remember them now because the problem has started and it will get even bigger. Delhi? For Delhi? Yes.

Yes. I don't hit the light of the way, I really feel that Huzoor is laughing. My heart has become my own.

Wow! So this is a very amazing song of yours, this Sai. So you went and told your friends, what was the process like? Did you come up with any new idea?

Sir, you must have been to the student center. Yes. It is like a pilgrimage. If you go to Chandigarh, you have to go to Stussy. So, the iron table, in the afternoon when everyone has studied, in the morning, those who have not started the class,

those who have to sit in the library, those who are preparing for UPSC, so that break is there. So, in that, entertainment, Bakalam himself is there. So in that entertainment, the students themselves are present. So this was a year in 2008, when I went to the library during the day. You go to study.

So you wrote a song. Whenever there was a tea break, I sang it there. Then I went and wrote 5 songs a day. After that, I came to a point during COVID, when everything was shut down, lockdown was in effect. There was no concert, no interview, no film shooting, no videography.

So I got a very subliminal solitude. That nothing is happening in life. Although it was a very bad time. Many of my loved ones passed away. But along with that, for many people, after 2008, my most creatively most fertile year was this COVID.

So, I wrote about 200 novels, with the help of the tarz. During that time, there were about four or five poems a day. I have a small room behind the house, which is generally like that. When you live in such houses in Chandigarh, then it is sometimes a servant's room.

Outhouse or something.

So it is about 8 servant's room. Outhouse. Yes. Yes. So it is a room of 8 by 8. The size of the hostel. I have named it Nazm Gah. Which is the song of poems. So I used to go in the morning. There is a mattress, there is a harmonium.

There were some books. Mostly encyclopedias. I have. We will talk about reading and teaching later. So, I have been sitting every day. If it has come, it is fine.

Otherwise, like, you keep struggling in the same way as Sai. Like I told you, that, Sirri is a word, if you ask a Punjabi, he may give you its Hindi translation. I am very serious about this. to This is my biggest quality, I think. So, this passion for Jadoo Jahid has been there from the beginning. And it has come into my nature from my childhood and my family. to where you are sweating, it is about to rain but it is not raining. But it becomes a different kind of situation.

In that Hummus, the leaves of the pebbles are very spicy. So, wherever you say Urea or whatever you say, because its plants are so far away, you have to keep it in its roots. It is not like you are giving it a pebble. to It doesn't matter much. We have a 16-hour flight from the US to Delhi, San Francisco. I go on the same day, sir. Straight to the radio station.

After the interview, I go there. Straight from the radio to the green room. I get ready there and go straight to the hotel.

Oh, my.

So I think these are the things. I would like to say this to the kids in the nature, although it is their own choice, God forbid, they don't need to read this. But if you keep it a little bit like this, then everything else starts looking delicious. Everything is fine. That kind of thing.

How did you get the idea to record an album for the first time?

I don't know if you would call it an album or something else. There is a person in Toronto, Mr. Iqbal Mahal. He is the person you talked about, Mr. Jagjit. In 1979, Mr. Jagjit went to Canada for the first time and he was taken there by Iqbal Mahal. So, 30 years later, in 2009, he flew to India, came to my hostel, met me, recorded a little bit of me, and he said that he wants to do his shows in Canada. So I was happy and surprised.

But how did they know about you? I had put up a few songs. Like YouTube should not say, I think, I may be wrong, that in North India, YouTube was introduced with our songs. So, it must have been 6-7 years ago, I think. to to campus So, this is how this incident reached Canada. So, he thought that this guy is right.

Before anything else happens, he should bring him. So, he started a small studio on Nakodar Road in Jalandhar. My cousin started teaching MA, so my students were my musicians. They used to study with me, because we were quite old. So they went there and made us sit. And we were told, sing whatever you know.

So we sang those seven or eight songs. They made the same visuals, the same audio, and made a CD, and distributed it in Canada. audio. to so was live, it was in that. So since then, it has become very clear to me that whenever you record, how big your studio is, how solid and valuable your mic is, this is a very secondary thing.

How close your world and your artist's temperament are to you, this is the biggest thing. After 2016, the poem that I have sung at home, all the songs that you have heard, whether it's Ritwa, Ikonika, Dariya, or anything else, all the songs, by my single self,

in that small room, there is a mouse, there is a mic, there is a piano here, I dub them myself, and send it to the music director, that, sir, this is the vocal, and do it.

Even if it's a color, sir, that's also dubbed. Yes. So I've come to this point that you should have a poet or an artist present inside you at that time. Not that you feel, oh, Yash Raj Studio has come. Now all this is good. Now I have to do it. to Please sing some more of this poem. This 8x8 magical room. Extension of 143.

Extension of 143. 100%. Like I said, I am very close to words. My home is named after Firdaus. After that, our company's name was also named. And at the top, I will show you when you come to Chandigarh. is to painting, sketches, small flower, big copy, pen, whatever. So, wherever you get it in the world, I will make it's attachment separately,

they will reach there and it will be decorated. I have made it from wood to its colors, everywhere. Even today, suppose I have come from Indore, that thing is with me, when I reach home, what will be the first thing I do when I wake up in the morning? I will pick up that thing, go there and see where is its place. I will keep that.

Now, between that emotional shop, and the Shamiyaan and the Nazm, a small step descends, which is called the creative path, innovative way. When you will descend from here to here, then you have entered to there, you have entered into innovation, you have entered into creativity. So when I go there, these are very shallow things,

I am afraid to say it. If I put on that mic, for dubbing, generally it is like this, because the audience is very eager, because these are tube mics.

I have brought my two mics from the US. They are my favorite mics. I use them for a while and then I pack them in a box and keep them in a separate room. The studio rooms are more humid. I use the mic to get rid of the moisture. I think that if I use this mic and finish some work, I can finish a song or two by dubbing it. I can do that.

I can do that.

I can do that. most of the time. So I feel that if I have put on this mic, and I finish some work, I will take off the mic after about 7 or 8 songs.

38C practice.

And one take. If it's a 7 minute song, I will sing it again 2-3 times, and then 2-3 times. So 8, 9, maximum 10 minutes, that song is dubbed. Next song is dubbed. to That's when I left. And we have an album called Travel Diary. I hope I'm not talking too much.

Sir is not saying anything. No, we're just sitting here to listen to you. I'm starting to get scared.

No, no, no.

It's true, right? Yes, absolutely true.

Yes.

Sir, you can ask some other question. No, no. But you ask some other question. This tea has become cold. That problem will go ahead.

No, let it go. It is very enjoyable. Where is Deepak? Deepak Tenguriya is here. For this time, the Booker Prize is very famous. The five books that have been shortlisted, one of them is that a person leaves his child to study somewhere.

Then he doesn't come back home. He turns the car the other way. He is driving, driving, stopping, thinking.

So, he does get lost. This is... I have a song on this too.

A song?

But I am being messaged that you are making me sing these songs like a pro.

Okay, you want me to sing? Yes, a little bit. I will definitely sing something. If you want harmony, then we have... No, no, not at all. I will just tell you this much about it.

Sohna dil koi khaak rahan di chhaanan vich masroof hai kaafi. That a beautiful heart is very busy in searching for the dust of the roads. I am of that kind of a personality. Sohna dil koi khaak rahan di chhachanan wich masroof hai kaafi. Dilbar ke zariye khudki pehchanan mein kaafi masroof hai. Toh yeh mera maula gaviya hai, ji main ta isda saazi hain,

meri apni duniya te main issech raazi hain. Toh main bahut content kism ka, aapko meri baaton se, I'm a little bit of a fanatic. You must have noticed from my face and my words. I have no desire to go anywhere. I have no struggle. I have no life's race. I am very happy in my talent, in my state, in my temperament. That's why there is a small dream house of mine in all my houses,

which you call call farmhouse. I have named it The Sublime Solitude. Where I go and just... There is a Punjabi word called Tateri, it will also have a Hindi version, I am sorry to say, I have heard its voices, recorded it. Tateri is the only word spoken in Hindi.

Tateri is the only word spoken in Titteri. Titteri? Okay. So, I really like this. One thing is that you talk like that and be like that. I wish you had something that the police know about. Light detector. Yes, if you had that, you would known that what I am saying is correct.

No, I can understand it from the language.

Yes, yes.

Yes, so we will go back to…

Again to the same place?

Yes. The fun is happening there, 8x8. Why are you getting me dragged?

So, I was talking about vocals to you… You said that I will sing a song. I have written a song for this occasion. I've already sung that. When a new song comes, I'll definitely sing it. You think about it, you're standing in Stussy. to Aayar ban sartaaj kahonda, E kede rangaan vich rujhya, Saaz nawazi kar kar gaonda.

E kudrat diyan dilbariyanu, Maanan vich masroof hai kaafi, Soana dil koi khaak rahan di. Chhaanan vich masroof hai kaafi.

Wow. Wow.

Wow.

Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. So I will tell you the story of this. But after this, promise me that you will ask your questions.

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We have an album called Travel Diary, which is very close to my heart, compared to all the albums I have released so far. It is a suicidal attempt, first of all. It has most non-commercial songs. The songs that I thought, why should I do this to them? These songs are not going to work. No one will listen to them. So, what do I do about them? But they are so poetic.

These songs are like that. Now, maybe you will like this song. So, I thought, man, this is useless. It shouldn't go like this. Now, I am singing on stages. If the people who choose like these songs, then I will I am singing on stages. If the contestants like it, why not I find a way to do it?

Our guys are musicians, they can make it go to all the places in the world, especially Punjabi diaspora, from Auckland, New Zealand to New York, all over the planet earth, wherever people live. So this song, sir, in Canada, there is a place called Jasper National Park. There is a similar place called Banff National Park. Aisi ek jagah hai Banff National Park. Toh Banff mein mere teen gaane choot ho chuke hain isi album ke. Phone pe sir. Yeh mera phone hai. Iske lauha ek mera phone,

mere pas do phone hai. Ek phone phone ke liye hai, ek phone shooting ke liye hai. Toh wo 31 gaano ki album hai. 31 ke 31 gaane mere phone se shoot hua hai. Koi technical to I'm going to go and get him. I'm going to go and get him. I'm going to go and get him. I'm going to go and get him. I'm going to go and get him.

I'm going to go and get him.

I'm going to go and get him. I'm going to go and get him. I'm going to the city and I'm feeling that this is a good atmosphere. Which song can be shot here? I'll think about it at that time. If I'm going from Vancouver to Victoria on a ferry, the sun is shining, the wind is blowing, there are oceans, waves, mountains.

Which song will be shot here? to le ambran te taariyan la yeh. Eh saasano sar taaj be likh ke rakh kalma di laaj hi ustaad sikhonde ne. Nadiyan naad kinaare jithe shartaan laonde ne. Chale uthe chaliye yaar be jithe naurange gulzaar de mausam nazma gaonde ne. Yeh gaana, ab aisa toh nahi hai ke maine wahan

baith ke likha. So this song, it's not like I wrote it sitting there. This song is already written, the composition is already made, but it's not dubbed, nor is it played. But it's my song. So what I do is, there's an app on the phone, and it clicks, that you've typed 70, tick, tick, tick, and it's done.

So I sang this song in that tempo. to as it is match. Or was quite a good. I'm naive. It is ignorance. You have to look at it. You figure it out. Consider it.

Consider it. You will go to it. You could damage it. This, this. It's going to be a boxish man. It was an adult.

Then, you had to ask for a billion. Got the record. I'm not sure if you can see it, but I'm sure you can.

I'm sure you can. I'm sure you can.

I'm sure you can.

I'm sure you can. I feel that this is a university-like environment. So you get used to it. It's not like there's an interview going on.

No, no, you're doing just fine.

So then I get to know a little bit about it. No, no, no, this is a guest in the newsroom. So many big people come here. I shouldn't talk so much. So that's why.

How many people do you talk people with a lot of excitement.

I'm talking with a little bit of a feeling.

Oh, I mean.

I mean, I have two or three houses in my house. One we use like an office, the other as a practice room. In my life, I have never researched the person who comes to meet me. Who is he? What has he done? Is he famous or not? Is he good or bad? Who whom he has bad relations, he will come and sit in

front of me and I will talk to him with my virgin judgment. And the next decision will be based on whether he is my music director or not, of Take a wavelength as he only Jaya to kiss even bigger. So I'm a steam cook. Oh, yeah, so that's a good one. I got a above a chanani lake a Bastea area sees is to be Joe key. Just maybe in case I Pass a bad curly Jenko laga. Yeah, okay. Yeah, okay

Koi judgment. Nia sir am telling you this 100% truth. All my associates, directors, actors, music directors, you must have seen them. I will tell you this later, not now. Otherwise, this person comes with the thought that brother must have seen that I did this video, it didn't work. Brother must have seen that I did this song, it didn't work. This and that. No, sir.

Not at all. If it is there, every person has his own blessings. And I have so many people with me who have done about 50 music videos, but none of their videos are running. One person is doing one video, but it has run. Suppose, it is important. But I am always working with that 60 year old man because I know that he does a better job.

Being famous or not is a matter of luck. But to be in a job with such passion, with such intensity, with such intensity, Itni dhrita, jaise aap lafz bolte hai, main koshish kar raha hu. Us shiddat se usme ghus jaana us kaam mein, mereko wo log zeel wale log, ke bhaji karte hai.

Bas theek hai. Hamare yaar sahab aise hi ek zeel wala banda hai, lekin uske sar pe shukrwar sawar hai.

Shukrwar?

Haan. Shukarwar matlab? Shukarwar sabar matlab ki ab zindagi gulzar hogi saab, ab Saturday Sunday chutti hai, toh koi sharbat piye jayenge. Toh wo aise dabhe baao jaye raha tha, kahan jaye raha hai bhai? Jara in pe camera laiye.

Arrey nahi nahi nahi nahi.

Arrey.

Kya program hai? What's the program? I'll just sit and listen to poetry. Poetry?

How many people in India are fortunate to have such a great poet, such a great artist? After 20-50 years, when you sit in a gathering, you'll say, Sir, we've heard it live. Come, come, sit next to me. I'm not going anywhere.

I'm a little worried because I don't think there are many people here who understand Punjabi. So, it's not their fault. There are many things that are good, you understand them and they are saying, where are they coming from? What is happening?

So, I am a very empathetic person. I will understand everyone by their nature and I will not be soft. What's happening? So, I am a very empathetic person, sir. I will understand every person by their nature and I will 100% understand that it is justified to go there.

Sir, I am... Give him a mic. I am also very empathetic, but... Our teacher has taught us that...

Don't leave the gathering. No, first of all, don't leave the gathering. Secondly, the arrangements are not only run by compassion. There is a little strictness as well. So, when the teacher is in charge, if the child sees crying, she will stop.

So, now their training is going on.

Now all of them want to become teachers. You are like a teacher to him. That's fine. Then it's fine.

I just want to keep my side.

Yes, yes, yes.

Tell us.

Give us tea.

Yes.

In many evenings, in many sad afternoons, my soul has been awakened by your voice.

Wow. Wow, sir. Wow. Wow. I am very sad that my soul has been broken by your voice.

Wow!

So, my...

Tell me how does a soul break?

Sir, don't go so deep.

No, no, this is very... He is a very expert person.

These are my teachers. I just say speak on the mic that I am teaching. I am learning from them.

We are students of Mir, and teachers of teachers. Among teachers, there is a teacher. He is our teacher.

Wow! I told you.

Now I know who the master is. I saw that where is my soldier going? Call him here. Tell him to take out a pillow.

This way he sleeps in the magnificent building. The rich, rich, everything says in the end that a person can rent a beautiful room. There is a difference between having four walls and having a house. to Thank you. What is the problem today? What is the reason for the invitation? Is it Friday or Shukra? Which song?

You said that you have broken the fast of the soul.

Tell me which song you have broken?

There is a song.

He is our very beloved and he is a very good person.

He is a very good person.

He is a very good person.

He is a very good person.

He is a very good person. Which song? You said you have broken the fast of the soul. Tell us which song you have broken?

There is a song.

He is our very beloved and he is the head of the book section of Lallantop. He is the literature editor of Lallantop. He is a very well-read person, a young man. And he is from Bharatpur in Rajasthan. So, the bridge language is... From Rajasthan?

Yes.

Wow!

Yes, Deepak sir.

So, the bridge language is spoken there? See, Mathura and its surroundings, because it is a border area. Okay, fine. So, in some areas of Bharatpur, Mathura and Agra, the bridge language is spoken. And later on, the language spoken in our areaeli in our area was also developed from the word Braj. Yes.

Yes, sir. Now, when you are right here,

what do you have to say about the song? No, I want to know which core of your soul has broken. Tell me, brother.

There are many aspects. When you enter the memory's library, there is nothing right that you can hold and say So, there is a song in it, like you are wearing a black suit and you are roaming in the mountains and rocks of a desert. That is a song.

And the people with whom I used to listen to this music, I understood it then, but they understood it a lot. So, I used to listen to music only to understand the meaning. So, I have a lot of memories and many wish I had some of them in my lips.

Yes, we were his support and he became ours.

It has as much as the warmth of the womb. That's why I want to save it.

Wow, sir.

Dard se jo dosti hui, wo bhi benazeer hui Hijr ke khazaanon mein, bepana izafat hai In the treasures of migration, there is an endless increase. The one who has become rich in life, in sorrow, in happiness and in sorrow.

Wow. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you. Yes, you have given us a glimpse of some important aspects of life.

Yes, sir.

So, it's not in vain. Thank you. I am saying this with confidence and faith. But there are two ways. One is, since there is a lot of research, I ask you, this song is good, that controversy. But the melody will break, the melody that is there.

Yes.

So, I will fix it. Our colleagues and many people have questions. controversy I am taking a loan from Islam. Now, there is nothing but the sound of pain at this moment of separation. My love, it is not the time to return. Forget that old story. The time has passed when the light was extinguished by the confusing wind. The question is why does sorrow attract us so much? I mean, everything is going well in our life,

but still, the mind is filled with a very indisputable indignation that if only I could get a show that could be played and sat on, that could be sung, that could be used by Jagjit Singh, Rahat Fateh Ali Khan, all the people. Your music is also a festival of sadness. Why does it attract us so much?

Why so much sorrow?

First of all, Deepak told us, right? Yes, Deepak. Thank you, you can sit down. And...

If you have any other questions...

No, no, he has to leave. His wife is lying in bed.

You said he can sit.

Okay, sorry.

I thought he were acting. No, no.

Thank you. The atmosphere has changed now. Because it was a sad topic. First of all, these are very sensitive people who are suffering from the suffering of the suffering of the suffering of the suffering of the suffering of the suffering of the suffering of the suffering of the suffering of the suffering of the suffering of the suffering of the suffering of the suffering of the suffering of the suffering of the suffering of the suffering of the suffering

of the suffering of the suffering of the suffering of the suffering of the suffering of the suffering to was I have to say, this is my point of view now. Tomorrow morning, this point of view may change. So, you should be like the flowing water. I never say that this is my firm decision. I just said it and now we are standing on it. I am not like that at all.

It is possible that tomorrow a big man will tell me that this was wrong. This is how it is. So, I will say yes, this is how it is. That is why I am doing this. is to to geet likhonde ne, aina samjheen shayar wakht gavonde ne, mul paina sartaaj likhe hoi panneya da, mo bada hi onda ruske manneya da. Yeh bera geet hai.

To in se aapki creativity, agar aap shay painful, then it is an asset for you, it is your treasure. But most people don't have it. First of all, I feel this. And secondly, for those who don't have it, poetry also means that they went to a wedding, heard a good song, danced and went back to his shop. And the book may have been liked by someone, if it was liked, it was stuck, if not, it was not liked.

And I see the public with the same perspective. I have never had any resentment, sorrow, or sadness. I had such a good song, they did not understand, they did not appreciate, they did not listen. No. This means that the song is good, buthone suna nahi, nahi. Iska matlab yeh hai ki wo gaana acha hai, lekin wo unke nazika gaana nahi hai.

Koi kisaan banda hai, usko agar main raseed jaisa ja benazir jaisa gaana sunaunga, toh wo uska nahi hai sir. Usko main yeh sunaunga, paani panja daryama vada nehri ho gaya. I really like it. Yes, so that is why every person has his own nature, his own liking. Now, the colour that I like may not be yours, or it could be, but there is no reason for it.

There is no reason. It is in your DNA, it is in your nurturing, I don't know, something like that. So, this is my opinion I have to believe in this.

Namaste Sir.

Sat Sri Akal.

Sir, after that research, which is about 100 pages, we also got to know many things from it. You keep talking to such a person on the phone for hours, I want to know about him and I want to know the reason. And tell me for reference, my name is Vikas Verma. to I came today, sorry. When we left, I was thinking, Vikas Baji was not there.

I don't know where he was. It was the initial phase.

Yes, it was the phase. I thought, this is how it would be. When I saw this, I thought, the system is becoming a bit posh.

So...

Many viewers scolded us. In the initial episodes, system. Toh usmein kahi darshakon ne humein daant lagayi. Shuruaati jo episode hai jismein humare bhai hai Zakir Khan wo aaye, Vikas bhiye aaye.

Acha wo khade the na?

Aur kuch ek mehman.

Toh yehi?

Haan, jee yehi pe. Idhar pe hota tha. I told him that it is a simple morning. He said that it happens. So, he has got the pictures of the morning. Yes, because the guests after that used to have wooden chairs. Like Javed Akhtar is sitting on the chair. He has a wooden chair.

Zakir is also standing here. Yes, I understood. Kavita Krishnamurthy. Then it happened that the guest has been sitting for two and a half hours.

Okay.

So there is a little peace. So it is like that. So we are there, on the same land. But our guests should be at peace.

Thank you, sir. So we are talking about Vikas Divya Keerti sir. So I have no such connection, not even very old. Aisa raabta bohot purana bhi nahi hai. Ab mujhe pata nahi ki main aapko kaisakta hu ki aap baith sakte hain kyunki mujhe lag raha hai ki aap itni der khadi rahenge. Is that the thing? Ji, phil chalega.

Toh, main yaha se sir, meri ek Urdu ki album hai, Javed sahab ke a humne ikathe film ki thi, The Black Prince usme wo meri mother ka kirdar kiya tha, Maharani Jinkaur ka. Wo Maharaja Duleep Singh ka ek biopic tha, jo English me film bani thi Los Angeles ki, Bill Steen Entertainment Partners company hai, jino ne 12 years de slave jaisi film banai. Bahut kamal ki kitab, kamal ki film. to his musicology, his composition, he was only concerned with his thoughts. So I have only spoken to him.

I had told you this from that. So he said, inform the good souls of Ahmadiyya that attacking with a sword is a crime, it is not obligatory, these are all heartless, Dildoziyan, in Nigaon se pata nahi, do chaar karna jurm hai, main aapko badh ke batna dunga. To uska humne shoot rakha, Taj Mahal ke saamne ek kya kehte hain, ek Gujra sa dayar hai, jahan pe peechhe se aap, Jamuna si, is taraf, wahan se Taj Mahal dikhta hai.

To humare ek video director was... There is a park of Agra Development Authority. Maybe.

In which the story goes that a black Taj Mahal was to be built here.

Okay.

Right across the river. Yes. So, we have shot it standing in those hills. Its name is Jurm. You can watch it sometime. So, from where we are walking from Delhi, to I think it is important to differentiate between two very close things.

Otherwise, there is no need to differentiate between two different things. So, the way he did it, generally, a common man who does not have to prepare for UPSC, who does not have this problem of exams, he will say that ethics and morality are almost the same. But he defined that these are ethics and these are morality. Although I have nothing to do with the UPSC paper. So it went on till Agra. I kept on watching all that. So I asked Tarun, who is he? He said he lives in Delhi. He is a teacher and an old officer. I said, can we meet them?

So, he was in contact with a radio station. So, we spoke like this. The next day, I was sitting in front of him in Taj Mahal. This is my first contact with him. So, as you are saying, who do you speak openly with? So, he came like this.

To tell you the truth, it was the time of COVID, it was December. So I was like this, wearing a shirt and jeans. I had also put on a mask, he had also put on a mask. So he brought it and he greeted us like this. So he said, are you Satyendra Ji?

This was his first reaction. Maybe he didn't know me. to to but I don't know what they did, that they came. So it was night, food was also done, now the talks went on as you know that some talks are like this that keep on dissolving and keep on blossoming. So it kept on happening, so this is my contact. After that, on the phone I keep on asking questions with him in many ways, especially about language, that why this happened, how is it, how is it written, that in Devanagari, in the end, it can be half a song.

Then he gave me a reference that like Bhagwat, the last Tav, whether you put halant or not, it will sound half. So, such very small things about language, which I cannot do with anyone else. to So I told him, we had screenplayed for 6-7 hours. We asked him to tell us about Aristotle's philosophy which we can show in a contemporary Punjab scene.

He told us a lot. So he came to the climax of that film himself. Being a Vikas Devya Keerti, he was shown in the film that a great man, I became a school teacher in that film, but I have left that. Then he comes and tells that his Rastu is like this. He has a dialogue like this.

He has also played a role in our film. So this is our friendship with him. And he is our boss. He is our elder brother. I heard Ustad Rashid Khan say that when a song sounds good, it feels like someone is pulling you and stopping you from going somewhere. And tears come from the eyes. I have seen Farid Ayaaz sahib like this,

he is searching for something while singing. Yes. And he is searching for something while singing. And they say, Allah, like they have caught something. So, do you ever feel like this? Because many times I see you closing your eyes and calling someone. Yes.

This is called Kaifiyat in Sufism.

Yes. This is called kaifiyat in Sufism.

There is a particular chapter in my PhD thesis, of the gathering of the Sama. There was a gathering of Hazrat Qutb-ud-din Bakhtiyar Qaqi, on which the Sama Khana went, and some Qawwals sang a couplet, it is a Persian couplet. We will try to publish that PhD thesis as a book, it will come to you.

So, the couplet of one or two lines was so beautiful on him that he became unconscious. to to There is a sur and a word. In Gurbani, both these things are as important as they are in Raga. That is why in Raga, the word Gurbani is written. So it is obvious that all these traditions are going on and reaching us, the current generation. I will say again, through the same question, that very few people in the audience and very few people in the artists

who are aware of this, who have gained these experiences, have experienced these things. My friends tell me many times, who have been with me for the last 25 years, since my university days, they know how I was in that state in my 3-hour gathering, in those few minutes. Yes, this is what Farid Ayaz says, I understand it, but I cannot explain it.

Yes.

So, this is the case with Aamad, and this is the case with Kaifiyat, that you cannot do it forcefully. You can practice as much as you want, to This is the ratio of 440. You can bring this in singing from Riyazat. But, the difference between that Sur and this Sur is that that Sur, I think, either you are completely included in it, and there is nothing in your mind which you can either call Ikhsurta, or Wajid, or whatever is your way of worship,

you can call it meditation. So that can be, but it is such a thing that is one is bliss and the other is eternal bliss. When the continuity of bliss is established, it becomes eternal bliss. Its continuity is your death, like what happened to Hazrat Qutubuddin Bakhtiar Khaki.

Thank you.

Thank you. Yes, Naved. You just mentioned Hazrat Qutubuddin Bakhtiar Khaki. Coincidentally, I was at his Dargah today. And for those of us who don't know, this Dargah is near Qutub Minar. And the name of Qutub Minar is also named after him.

So, this brings my question to you. I was going to ask this anyway, but it came gracefully. You have also taught many Sufi saints, the Sufi thinkers, who have done their PhDs. Who had the biggest impact on your life, on your thinking? Be it Bulleh Shah, Baba Sheikh Farid, Rumi, Shams Tabrizi, Shams Mashriqi,

or any other Mirabai, Kabir Das, Aamir Khusro. Whose thought process had the biggest impact on you? And any quote or share? Thank you very much for clarifying my point. My research. I was talking about the book with you. Yes.

Now, some people, my acquaintances, say that you should not say this. But, either I should speak the truth or not. This is possible. The truth is that I do not read anymore. Ye hi ho sakta hai. Sach ye hai ke main ab padhta nahi hoon. Takreban ek decade se maine sirf do kitabin padhi hain. Ek toh mujhe kisi ne de thi, uska taluk meri kisi film ki research ke saath tha isliye. Aur ek bande ka main waise hi bahut aashik hoon, toh wo maine magawa ke padh li.

Kaun? I am a lover, so I got it read. Who?

You may not know him, his name is Sardar Mahinder Singh Randhawa, his name is M.S.

Randhawa.

When India was independent, when Allah Nehru was giving a speech, he was the first deputy commissioner of this city of independent India, Delhi. Indian Civil Services. 1931 because they had done a lot of research. Punjab Agricultural University Ludhiana is their gift. In Chandigarh Arts College is their gift. The whole city is their gift. Green Revolution of India or North India is their gift. Tractors came because of them.

When India was divided, then this migration from here to there, the land was divided. Suppose someone came from Rawalpindi to Muxar, a Sardar or a Hindu, then the land he had there, if it is near the river, then he has to give the same amount of land to the other side of the river.

This work was done by him in Jalandhar with 800 people. It was the sixth river of India. But I feel very sad about the fact that, you still live here, you. You are from another state. In our state of Punjab, we have very few people. I mean, no one knows. You can ask me any question.

I am sorry, I got distracted by your question. No problem. Please continue. Because this is a serious issue. So I was returning from Jammu to a village called Bodla, which is 1.5 km from the city of Dashua in Ushairpur. That is their village, sir. He is a world traveler, a commissioner in Lucknow and Kanpur,

a preserver of all the paintings of Kangra, a publisher of all the folk art of Punjab's folk, Batalvi Sahab, artist painter, Shiv Singh Bedi, Amrita Preetam,

Khuswant Singh, Rajpur, of to When he travels around the world and writes his biography, it is called Aap Biti. The first line of it is, Kinne soone nehu sharpur deh pind. He starts his biography from here. A man so attached to the earth, he has said such great things. So I read his Aap Biti by myself, and someone gave me a book. So you said, which poets did and read. Especially Sufism. I think that although you will keep them less in Sufism and more in history,

but if we look at Syed Baba Barisha, who wrote Kissa Heer, I think, first of all, the way I dress on stage, many of you must have seen, I am influenced by him. to He I will read a poem from the book, which is called, Kader Yaar, and it is about a man named Jhang. He was a Naksh Bahadur Singh and I was Ranjeet. I was a Sadqa from the government.

It was a story about Saif-ul-Malook, which is a story of Saif ul Malook, I am ashamed. You are the one who has the honor of this man. I made a mistake. I called myself a poet. Poets like me should be kicked in the shoes. Or should I sit and recite to the noble people? Read the high thoughts and tear the paper.

So.

Wow.

So.

So.

So.

So. So many poets have influenced me. I wrote this poem once. But the one who has influenced my style and my poetry is Syed Baba Barisha. My style is influenced by him. The one who is the head of the family. You have a relationship with a contemporary poet, Jani. You posted a picture together.

Although, you don't see her on Instagram. What kind of relationship do you have with your father? You had posted a picture of you with him. Although, you don't see him in his Instagram profile anymore. What kind of relationship do you have with him? It's very beautiful. I think in our fraternity, there are such people who were so devoted to me. They were the most devoted to me. They came to our house in 1934.

They used to come and go with boys like me. because all of them live in Chandigarh. He used to say that he wants to meet Paji. So, he said, let's go. But he used to say that not like this, that we went, sat for 5 minutes, took photos, and then left. I want 3-4 hours together.

So, I want to meet like this. to of the most talented and talented artists of the contemporary era.

Hello, Satyendra ji. Before I ask the question, I want to tell you something. I'm from Lucknow, so I wasn't very exposed to Punjabi music. But my husband is a big fan of yours. That's why he's come here to listen to you.

You come here, too, brother. You too. Come, come here. Come. Come husband. Sarwat. Sarwat is the editor of Lollandop's health and fitness. He is a very famous person.

What is your name?

Sarwat Fatima. Sarwat. Sarwat?

Sarwat.

Yes.

Wow.

What does it mean?

Sarwat is an Arabic name. It means fame, wealth.

Oh, I see.

It means fame.

You got it, sir.

So this is my husband, Nikhil.

He's a big fan of yours. Nikhil is a big fan of yours.

Yes.

He introduced me to your music. And whenever we're tired and we're going home, we listen to it on loop.

Do you have any questions?

My only request is that you sing the two lines.

You have made me a poet.

I have said what I have to say.

Now they know that if there is a question, they will leave long and the song will be left. I understood. I will sing it honestly. No problem. Let them left. I understood. I'll tell you the truth. It's okay. Let them ask questions.

OK, I'll ask the first question. I want to know from you that you do so many concerts. And when you're on a stage, there's so much crowd. You need a voice for that. How do you maintain your fitness? Because you need to be very active when you're on a stage. And you've been doing it for so many years.

So what is your fitness routine?

I think it's genetic. It's a matter of maintaining it. If you look at the West, go to Italy, they eat pizza and other things. They are like this. So DNA matters a lot. My DNA is from a farmer's family. to But it was a very hard gym. It was very hard.

I mean, we had an international standard gym in Chandigarh. The machine that had the maximum weight, we would put that much weight and do it. So sometimes we would meet someone who was familiar with the gym. And she would be surprised. She thought I was a very soft poet. So you know, you have this image. So she would ask me, what do you eat?

This, this, that, that, that. So I didn't have a routine have to do this gym every day. For example, when I shoot a film, if it is for 45 days, I don't exercise at all for 45 days. Otherwise, I should do more. Now it's the opposite.

Then I do it, that this energy, I have to save it. I have to give it to my act. So that is my kind of honesty with my work. act So we were given 8-7 hours of sleep. And when we woke up, the next 18, 17, 16 hours were continuously draining. So that's another reason. And we were always interested in playing. In the beginning, we used to go on tours.

We had our volleyball in our bag. My musician knew that if we had a day off, if Friday and Sunday were actually off, then Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday were free. We used to go on a trip. We used to have volleyball in our bag. My musician knew that the day when there is a holiday, if Friday is actually Sunday show, then Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday are free. So wherever it is, run, play or do something. So this is my routine.

Good host to you. Now your song please.

Yes. Satsarga Sada Niresa Ma Pada Nipa Sada Nipa Ma Paga Maresa Aise Aise Aanigaha Mainu Takya Aise Aanigaha Mainu Takya Chaunde Hoye Bhi Na Dil Rukh Sakya Gaya Pair Ishqe De Vich Rakhaya I couldn't stop my heart even if I wanted to I kept my feet in love I couldn't control my feelings I couldn't control my feelings Who gave me such eyes?

The sky of love is flying We are the birds of love We are the one who has made me fly. You are the one who has made me fly. You are the one who has made me fly. You are the one who has made me fly. You are the one who has made me fly. You are the one who has made me fly. You are the one who dreams are a lie.

I can't control myself, I am tired of such eyes.

Thank you so much.

I forgot to ask you a question. Yes.

I wanted to tell you something. Yes, sir. I first met you through Sai Vaishanti Faryad. Before that, we knew about Punjabi through Bollywood songs. After that, we started listening to Punjabi songs. I am a big fan of yours.

Your song, Sabto Mehngi Hundi Hai, is my ringtone since the last 7-8 years. When I was doing an interview here, my boss was sitting next to me. When he called me, he played the same song. He picked up the phone and said, Satinder, how are you today? Did you say it in enthusiasm or admiration? He is also a fan of yours. He said it that time that

it seems like your interview will be good. Because during that time he was listening to the same song when he called me.

So, this is the real story.

So, you called him for the job interview. I was listening to the same song and at the same time we were taking the test. I called him and played the same time, we were taking tests, I called him and the same song played.

So, you have a little bit of my philosophy in your brain.

Yes, the universe is saying something, maybe you are going to come and then he came.

Amazing. My question to you is that there must be some things that you don't like, you get angry, how do you deal with that? I just keep quiet. It is difficult. It is difficult, but these are my own philosophies. I don't share them, but I do share them. I say that this is my philosophy, it is not necessary that it should be yours. zaroori nahi hai. Tum mere toh kuch na sikheen, tere apne haal hawaale, magar falsafa ehi rehana, tor laveen

hu apni chaale. Zindagi ki philosophy wahi rahegi, lekin aapke circumstances, aapka environment, aapki sociology, aapka economic status usko al measure it in a different way. So you can make it that way. But the problem is that, I have met many people in my life journey,

the wealthiest people of the world, healthiest people of the world, successful people of the world. So I have seen that everyone's happiness and sadness is almost the same. So it doesn't make much difference. That's why when you get angry, first 10, 20, 30 seconds if you put it on your back foot, foot Gussa sirf ek jaga pe kaam aata hai, agar aap jang mein hai aur aapko ladna hi hai

to aapme wo krodh aana chahiye tabhi aap kisi pe waar kar sakte hoon. Iske alawa gussa kabhi kisi ke liye koi jaayaz insaaf deke nahi gaya, khas thorpe zaati zindagi mein. If you keep your foot on the ground, then the next word will not be as pure as it was supposed to be in the first second. This is called controlling yourself. Like the saying, if you have control over your mind, people in my circle know this.

I will try to introduce everyone to Saurabh Sir, so that he can get a little more stamp on it, that yes, he is right. So I am like this. How I am, that is also very surprising. Now, how will you understand this so quickly? He has been with me for 15 years.

What to do with so much patience? The Punjabi saying, what will to do with so much patience? In Punjabi, what to do with so much patience? But I think it is okay, it is permissible for me. I saw him going to Deepakji. I was in his place. He said that a stick is also important.

That is a different thing. But I think he must have some compulsion. He wants to go. So, I want you to give a message to our future generation.

Because our generation listens to music and listens to it as a healing. They have a coping mechanism. If you want to listen to music, you cope with it. Everything is getting better. So I just want you to give us a message, which you want to give to the next generation, that if you are doing better, then how can you do it?

A message.

Sir, I may not be able to decode the question properly, you tell me. If they are already listening to something like worship, to Punjabi says, when the ground is dry, it feels better to jump. So if your land is dry from below, meaning you are not standing in the ground, then that is a good thing. Other than this, I think I did not understand his question well.

If someone else understands, please tell me.

Actually, what this future generation is saying is that our time is going on, Mashallah. What would you like to say to the young people, young boys and girls, any philosophy of life, any message?

To be successful in being well settled. Through your experience. Look, they will give me all the poems, I don't remember, that here, where no one gets a complete sky, sometimes land, sometimes sky. So you should have this nature,

that if you don't get what you are looking for, then don't keep it melancholic. Don't turn it into depression. Whatever you have got, look below that. to You are in Delhi, in a good job, sitting here. So, thinking about the good things, thinking that there are people worse than this, meaning, in worse conditions than this, I am very good. So, this philosophy is the best for that, that whoever is in it, is content,

to fly, keep the wings strong, keep dreaming, to My question to you is that you are connected to music. So you have studied a lot. As we see, nowadays artists don't go for higher education. But you have done your PhD and doctorate already. So what problems did you have to face in the past to take both of them together? Because we see young generation nowadays. It becomes very tough for them to manage two or three things at once.

To take both of us together? You mean the passions of life? Yes, sir. I thought it was the music.

Yes. Yes.

Yes. First of all, I studied so much because my final destination, my dream was to get a doctorate in my name and become a music professor. So that has nothing to do with my being an artist or a poet. If I am a poet or an artist, then there is no reason for me to study. This is the first thing.

This is a very blessed thing. Some people get influenced by their art. If someone's vessel is open, it fills up. If it is upside down, then that art flows out. This is the first thing. to to You should never think that my mom doesn't know anything, my dad doesn't know anything, what nonsense they keep talking, this is not the case at all. It is okay that they don't know so much about your life that now this has happened,

mom, you don't know. It is okay, you can explain, but you cannot say that they are thinking ill of you. They are giving you advice in the same way as they have the strength. So you must, this is their biggest dream is that their child should settle down. So, you must settle down and tell them. After settling down, like Vikas Sir passed his exams,

he became an officer, then he left his job and became a dhundh sawari. And he became a teacher. He did a lot. So, when you show them that, then you can do something big. Thank you, Sir. This is the way.

Sat Sri Akal, Bhaji. Sat Sri Akal. The exact story of what Sarwat Ma'am just said is also ours. So, I was trying to call him for your Udarya point, but having said that, you have always talked about empathy and compassion in your other interviews. Yes. At one point, sir also said that a stick is also important and you would understand that part.

I understand that you can become an expert in this only by practicing. But from your experience, because you have practiced it so much, how do we deal with it? Because once you are very successful, then you have more scope to do that. In your day to day life, where we can't do that, that is difficult. So there, when we are trying to practice, but from your experience, if you can tell us something which we can learn.

Absolutely. There you didn't force yourself to be empathetic. If it is coming naturally, then it is a very good thing. It is a beauty of being a human being. to to This, then mysticism. The person who is a communist and a Marxist, for him mysticism does not exist. He will say, it is a matter of the night, what mysticism are you talking about? But the people who are settled, the house is fine, the business is going well, if they do not talk about mysticism, then who will?

This is one thing. In your daily life, you know that your competitor cannot be empathetic with you. This is your natural behavior. It should be. But I pray that you become so successful that you can dare to be empathetic. Then it should be.

This is my take on it.

Sat Sri Akal Ji. My name is Sumit Dogra. I am from Abhijeet College. I have doneal Ji. Mera naam Sumit Dogra hai. Main aap ji de college toh hi MA keeti hai. Government College, Sharpur.

Dogra sahab de bete toh hai, aaj ye?

Haan, haan.

Haan, haan. Aachha, waah.

Wo teacher wo karte the?

Dilawazi Public School.

Waah.

Yeah. I have never forgotten such a story. I have heard a lot about you. Government College in Sharpur is such a place, that when Punjab University was changed from Lahore to 47, I settled there first. There is a quadrangle block there, which is called MA block. It is a very old building.

A master's degree is done there. It is a very old college. It is a cultural college. And my graduation is with music honors. The most beautiful thing about it is that I think it is the only college in North America where BA honors with music and BA honors with arts are available. Otherwise, these are not available in colleges.

We get them only in the campus. And there, although I had I was in music vocal class, my performances were with music instrumental. And I would play in the Tar Shahnai, which is called Dilruba, in the Indian Orchestra. And I would go to different college youth festivals.

I remember this a lot, the Common College of Sharpur.

Thank you. Thank you so much. I would like to continue this so that we can meet again and again. I would like to keep on pleading to my Sai that the lamp of my soul should keep on burning. I should keep on listening to the song of the infinite. I should keep on meeting the spiritual light that carries empathy and compassion within us, and the compassion within us. If we keep meeting them, we will meet again, we will talk again, and we will walk towards those dreams and villages,

with satisfaction, where there is some peace, some humanity, and some humanity will be present in our hearts. and some humanity will be present in our hearts.

Thank you very much. I love you a lot. Thank you very much.