The Osbournes Honor Ozzy: A Raw, Emotional Tribute to the Prince of Darkness | The Osbournes Podcast

You know, daddy so wanted to go to Egypt to see the pyramids. That was his like, he was so like, we're going to go to Egypt, we're going to go, we're going to see it. And he never got to go. But it's just.

It's time.

And grief.

I never realized just how horrible grief is.

It comes in these waves, waves, waves,

and you just go, oh. I guess by the time this airs, it'll be about three months since dad passed and this is the first time we're all talking about him.

Together.

Yeah. It's weird because you kind of lose sense of time. I can't. It's been like no time in the longest amount of time and everything. It's just, it's weird.

Yeah. You know, I guess we should probably start with like, why we're even doing this right now.

Because I feel so bad. So many people have reached out to us. I mean, it's just been overwhelmingly wonderful at everybody's reaction for the loss of Ozzy and it's just been, I mean, overwhelming and just, I feel so bad. Everybody's reached out to us that we know that we love thousands and thousands of people who we've never met. And I just want everybody to know that everything that has been sent to us, we've read, we appreciate.

The outpouring of love has been so helpful to us. I never could have even imagined it to be as helpful as it has been to know that we're not alone in our grief, in our sadness and that the rest of the world loved him as much as we did.

Did you find the outpouring, it added like a different element to it?

I haven't seen an outpouring like that since Princess Diana died. I didn't expect it.

Yeah, it definitely added a different element to it. And for me, it was like a beautiful, but also unexpected, strange, you know, because I said this the other day, I was doing an interview for dad's book. And what I said was, when you grow up,

every child does this. You're like, I wonder what's going to happen when my dad's going to die. I wonder what's gonna happen when my dad's gonna die. I wonder what's gonna happen when my mom dies. I want, it's just normal, I think. Everyone has those thoughts.

It's your biggest fear.

Yeah.

And I just never, it never crossed my mind that it would impact anyone kind of outside of, I didn't think it was gonna be like it was.

It wasn't just the heavy metal community,

it was the entire world.

Yeah.

I just think all of it, I just think, my God, Ozzy would just be-

He wouldn't believe it.

He wouldn't, he wouldn't. It was hard for him to take the show because he didn't realise how much he was loved and that was his beauty because he never took it for granted from anyone.

No.

He never took it for granted, I'm this, I'm that. He had no idea. He was so living in his bubble. He never had any idea how much people loved him, admired him, even if they didn't like his music, they liked him. And he was just larger than life.

He was one in a zillion.

I mean, maybe we should back up a bit, because I think, you know, he talks about it in the book a little bit, but I think, should we maybe kind of talk a little bit about the year leading up to the show, and kind of how it was on again, off again,

and some of the, because I don't, people don't realize how-

What it took to get him here.

Yeah. Yeah, and it all kind of... it started in... started in December of last year. The... the kind of... things started getting worse with him.

His condition. It was... I'll tell you exactly when it was, we'd planned a holiday. We were all coming to England. A whole kit and caboodle of us were coming here.

We were supposed to go to Finland.

Finland. Daddy was gonna stay here while we went to Finland. And then we were gonna stay for Christmas, New Year, and we were gonna stay until the show. And then...

Before, it was the week before.

It was about...

It was the week before, because he took, because I was at the house and he...

It was the first week of December and he wasn't feeling great.

He took a little fall.

Yeah, he took a little fall. And he kept saying saying my back hurts and we left on the 10th and we said you can come with everybody. A little bit later. A little bit later and then he went to the hospital.

But let's back up a bit. He didn't deal with pain very well at all. He could stub his toe and he'd be like, oh, my whole foot's broken. I need to have it amputated. He was a, he did not like discomfort.

He was a hypochondriac.

Yes. And he was, and he was whining and he was like, oh, the I don't, and then it was like, I don't know if he's, if he's, if he's faking this one. And, you know, we were, he was going to the doctor and they couldn't figure out why his back was so painful. And him being the, the stubborn gentleman he was, he didn't tell anyone he took a fall. And it turned out he had a-

Fracture in his back. Yeah.

In his vertebrae.

Yeah, he fractured a vertebrae.

And they say when you fracture a vertebrae, it'll take about six weeks to heal. It's very painful. And most of the time your body heals itself and it will heal but yes you will be in a lot of discomfort. And when they tell me that it's going to heal itself, it's a bit laughable because somebody of his age

and his medical state, the condition of his body and the amount of drugs and other issues that he has, you know it's not gonna heal itself. It just couldn't. It's, that would have been, you know, it would have been a miracle.

Yeah, and it started a bit of a domino effect.

It started a domino effect. He was in so much pain, he had to go into hospital. I came back from the holiday early. We scrubbed having Christmas here in the UK and then went back and he was in agony.

But then he got pneumonia.

He was in hospital. he got pneumonia in hospital. And that's happened to him.

Happened to him three times last year.

Well, this year.

This year, yeah. And with the pneumonia, with his vertebrae, he was just so uncomfortable. And then his one surgeon who had done all the good work on him said, yes, we could fill it, the crack in the vertebrae,

we can fill it with this.

Putty stuff, right?

It's like human cement and it does work great. He'd had one done before. So he was on his second time around this one. But then his surgeon said, he's too weak, I'm not gonna do it. I won't take the responsibility of doing it.

We were in Cedars at the time with his pneumonia and the pain. And the doctors at Cedars said, we can do it, we'll do it. And so your dad said, fuck it, let's go for it. I can't deal with this pain.

They did it.

And he got a strep infection.

He got pneumonia again. And then he had, was in more agony than he'd ever been in in his life. And he had sepsis. And... Was it sepsis or strep? I thought it was strep. No, sepsis, which is the worst, worst, worst thing in the world.

Yeah, he got it from the procedure.

He got it from the procedure.

I just don't think anybody besides us has any idea just how much he went through.

Oh my God.

He came home. They said, the sepsis, right, we have to deal with it with intravenous antibiotics. He was on two IV antibiotics that took...

60 days.

No, he was on it for...

It was about 60 days. Because he started it in March.

Nine weeks. Yeah. It was about 60 days, because he started it in March. Nine weeks, yeah. And then, but the amount of antibiotics that they were putting in him, take out the good, the bad, the ugly in your body, and it just drained him.

It was like doing chemotherapy, essentially.

It was draining every ounce of strength that he had. And it was in March that we thought we were gonna lose him.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

And it was around the time when, you know, in the Paramount documentary, he was gonna pull the show. Remember, he sat down and he was like, you guys were gonna film a conversation about pulling it. Yeah.

And then in just talking around it, he was like, no, I have to, I have to do the show.

He wanted to say thank you. That meant more to him than anything in the world.

Yeah.

We discussed him not being able to sing and going out there and just thanking everybody. Just to be there, thank everybody and... And then the sepsis, it was crippling to him. Totally crippling to him. You could see him going like this, like this, every single day.

I mean, the things that he had wrong with him, blood clots, damaged spine.

Parkinson's. The irony is...

Collapsed lung.

Yeah. Oh, we forgot while he was in hospital, he, because of everything they were putting in him, then he got heart problems.

Yeah. And, but he'd already had COPD. He had his lung collapse a couple of years earlier and it was only one little...

Half of his lung was working, only half of his lung. And he had COPD. He had...

The spine stuff, the nerve damage.

And the other thing that you get with your lungs, what is it? The beginning of emphysema. Emphysema. Blood clots. I guess the whole point in listing all of this is like, it just goes to show how... The human spirit is stronger than anything, and he was so determined. He was so determined to go do his show. He wasn't gonna give up on it.

No, he didn't wanna go out not doing it. And it was the best medicine for him.

It was. It gave him something to work towards, to, it was like a big light. And he was going towards that light.

And I'd never seen him so happy.

Yeah.

I mean, he was pretty miserable leading up to it.

Yeah.

Yeah. I've never heard so many, fuck off, fuck off, get out of here, fuck off, in my life. He would go to Andrew on the phone, come over, see me.

Then he'd bring back, no, fuck off, I don't want to see you. I want to see you. I don't want to see you. I want to see you.

And every other day, cancel the show, I'm not doing it. And then he'd be like, no, no, no, no, don't cancel.

And then he couldn't believe how many of his friends showed up. His friends.

And.

Yeah, but we're forgetting, and no one knows this, two weeks before the show, he went back into hospital here.

And the story, I don't even think you know it. We had him in the hospital and we were just terrified that people were going to find out. And so we had all the security in the hospital and the hospital was amazing with him here, they really

were. And the people at security and the people at the front desk of the hospital, you know, we say, were told nobody if they ask for Ozzy, he's not here, nobody's allowed

up, all of this. They had pictures of all of us that were allowed out, names. And this guy comes in and he says, I want to see John Osborne. So of course, you know, red light and they go, well, who are you? I'm his brother. So they call up to the security and they say, Ozzy's brother's here and he's asked to see him. He knows he's here. And security, I'm like, there's no way, his brother doesn't even know he's in here. His sisters, his brother didn't know. And so I sent the security down and I said, find out who this guy is.

He's definitely somebody from the press. Yeah. Definitely. And so security went down, you know, and they're not the most polite in the world, you know, they're a bit threatening. And this guy kept saying, no, it's my brother.

And he knows I'm coming, he knows I'm coming. He knows I'm coming. So after harassing this poor man, there was a John Osborne in the hospital and it was his brother. And then you felt so terrible, so terrible. And this poor guy just wanted to see his brother. And you just go, no, no, why did we do that? So I mean, Daddy was hysterical laughing.

He was in good spirits though when he was at this hospital in England.

He really was.

No, he liked it. He said it was the best hospital he'd ever been in.

Yeah, he was having a great time.

Best food menu.

Yeah, he was having a great time in there. They were spoiling him.

But like, I think it's really important though that we make clear that like, it's not like we like forced and wheeled him out there. Like, you get out there and do this fucking gig. It was like, he was adamant. We gave him every, you know, he was, he was running the show. He said he knew exactly what he wanted and he was determined to do it.

He was, it was his time. He wanted to do it and it was amazing. It was like he performed at his.

No. Well, I was, I was saying it was a living wake.

Yeah.

You know, it's kind of, it's funny.

Doesn't that day feel so surreal? It does. When you look back on it and you replay it in your mind and there will never be another moment like that. There will never be that many incredible artists gathered around one man ever again.

And it's one of those things, I think you look back at that day and like, even if Dad was still here, it was still a amazing, epic, legendary day.

It was the way that we all hoped it would be. It was joyous, it was fun. Everybody was in a great mood, the best crowd in the world at the villa. You know, everybody that runs the villa.

It was the closest thing to perfect, I've ever seen.

It was like you were in your family's home and doing a show in your family's home. It was just unbelievable and just everybody involved in it. We have the best crew in the world.

There was no ego.

No ego.

Fuck anyone.

Speaking of the crew, I think we need to take a second to thank them for that.

Oh, absolutely.

Because I don't know if you watched them, Mum, but they did not take a fucking second. No.

Well, they couldn't, the schedule was too tight.

They worked their asses off with every set change and made sure everything ran smoothly, and they were just happy to be there.

Yeah, Jake. Jakey Lee? No be there. Yeah. Jake.

Jakey Lee?

No, Jake Berry.

Jake Berry. And Jakey Lee, I mean, just to see Jakey Lee after 38 years. Yeah. Daddy hadn't seen him in 38 years. Yeah.

Dad got to say goodbye.

Yeah, he got to meet Axel Rose too. That was hilarious.

I know, I know. Yeah, he got to meet Axl Rose too. That was hilarious. I know, I know. And you know what? Axl Rose has always loved the Song Changers. Always. And it just seems funny that, well it's not funny, it's ironic that the song that he always loved came out as the song from the show. And Axl and Daddy said that they would meet up. Daddy really liked him. Because Duff and Slash have always been there for us, always. But it was like...

Yeah, it was so funny that after all...

Axl was like a...

An enigma.

He's just like somebody that you never see around, like your dad, you never would see him hanging anywhere or going to events and Axl's the same.

Yeah.

Back up a little bit.

Like,

when did you guys have the realisation that, like, this is not, it's not getting any better?

The sepsis, when the sepsis, and when he was diagnosed with that, I was like, I don't think he's going to be able to cope with the effects of this. Because, I mean, it's just horrendous. It's brutal. And but one side of me was like, you know, the voice is in your head.

He's not going to make it. Yeah, he is. He is. He's Aussie. He's going to do it. He's going to. Yes, he did, he is, he's Aussie, he's gonna do it, he's gonna... Yes, he did the show, yes.

But... I didn't see... him going as quickly as he went. I didn't see it.

He did. And it's only in retrospect that I see that now. Because he started saying things to me that I think he was preparing me for when he wasn't gonna be here. And I just thought that the buzz of the show

and everything that that gave him would give him enough to just stick around a little longer. I think we all did, you know, I even said it, I was like,

oh, you're like Superman staring into the sun, that's all you needed.

He was on, he couldn't believe the reviews and people's reaction to the show. He just couldn't believe it, could he? He was just like in awe and that's when I say he didn't realize how many people loved him as a person. Not as the front man of Black Sabbath or his own thing. It was just his being. People loved him and he just, he never got it. He had no understanding of it whatsoever.

You know what I think was interesting was that it was the first time he'd done a show and had access to social media. Because he didn't really go on, he didn't have social media until he got sick seven years ago. And so he was able to, after the show, go on Instagram, go on Facebook, go on TikTok, and he was seeing all this stuff firsthand, like all the praises and people just loving on him.

And there will never be another Ozzy. There will never be anybody with that likeability and talent and yeah he was unique he was he was totally unique I watch people come and go in this industry and how many times of in this industry they go, oh, it's disco, he's over. Oh, it's grunge, he's

over.

He weathered it all.

Everything. He just, and I just kept saying to him, we don't want to be here. We want to be here. And you ride through everything.

Yeah.

Yeah. But I think that's a lot to do with your guys' teamwork. Eighth. He was willing to listen to you. And how many artists, they let their ego kind of get the better of them

and like, oh, well, I know what's right because I'm the artist. And I think that is such the unique thing about how you guys work so well together. He'd fight, he'd say, fuck you, I'm not doing it.

Fight, the worst fights in the world were producer fights.

Yes.

They were the worst fights in the world. Nothing like those, but he was just so unique and authentic. He never tried to be anything he wasn't. He was just so unique and authentic. He never tried to be anything he wasn't. He was proud of where he came from.

So proud of Birmingham.

He was not one of these guys because he's made money that he was flashy.

Flat out A&M, yeah.

You know, and like, I'm a genius. How many times do we hear artists going, I'm a genius, I'm this, I'm a genius. How many times do we hear artists going, I'm a genius, I'm this, I'm that. Yeah, right. See you in 10 years, fucking genius.

Yeah, I was having a conversation with a friend recently and he was asking me, he's like, what do you think it was about your dad? Like, why? And I was saying just that, it was the, he was unapologetically authentic.

He would have his moments, he would have his rockstar moments and do his, but that was, it wasn't like he was faking it. When he would do crazy shit, it was because that was just him. And I think so many of these musicians and people in his, call it, graduating class, you know, his peers, I think they become something else when they achieve success. And yes, Dad did. I mean, fucking look at his house. It's a far cry from Lodge Road. But he was, he was still authentic. He never pretended to be anything but Aussie.

He wasn't one of these people that, you know, I'm, I'm so-and-so and I'm a sir now and, you know, you, you bob your head when you see me or don't look at him, don't look at

him.

The symbol. That always gets me. Don't look at them when they come through the hallway. It's like, they want you to fucking look at him. The symbol. That always gets me. Don't look at them when they come through the hallway. It's like, they want you to fucking look at them. What the fuck are you on about?

When we were doing World Detour and he would always be like, oh, people are always bothering me coming through the airports because we weren't traveling private. I mean, you guys know. And I did say to him, I'm like, dad, put your hair under a baseball hat, wear a hoodie and some jeans, take all your jewelry off, and just no one will bat a fucking eyelid. And he goes, why would I do that?

And I'm like, because you don't want people to bother you at the airport. He goes, but I'm Ozzy Osbourne. And I'd be like, all right, suit yourself.

There was nobody funnier than him.

No.

Nobody. And his timing was always perfect.

Even when he was like on his chair, kind of checked out, like.

When you thought he wasn't listening.

Yeah, he was so, oh my God, was he, he was so hyper aware of everything. That was important. The stuff that wasn't, he couldn't give a shit about. It's funny, Melinda, she was telling a funny story the other day and this is like perfect.

This is like so him. She was wearing a Black Sabbath t-shirt and it'd come from the merchandise. I don't know if it was one that was a new or a... Like a... A remake.

No, it was like they were just trying a new design or whatever, and she walks in the kitchen and dad looks at her and goes, where'd you get that T-shirt? And Melinda's like, oh, I don't know, I think I got it from the office.

And he goes, I fucking hate it.

Oh.

Who would say that about everything? Yeah. I hate it, hate it, hate it. What do you think of the stage set? Hate it. What do you think of this merch? Hate it. Fucking stupid. Fucking stupid. And then of course he loved it all.

Loved it all. Yeah.

Loved everything.

Yeah. You'd never met anybody with a bigger heart than Dad. Oh yeah. I have to say this, even though it's not appropriate.

It's all appropriate, don't worry.

When he was reading about Fergie, Duchess of York, and she borrowed that money off of Epstein, she borrowed some money off him and it was some ridiculous number, like $15,000. And Ozzy goes, fuck me, if she'd have asked me, I'd have given her 25. Why would you give someone 15, give them 25?

I'm like.

What?

What?

Okay, I'll tell her.

A little extra on top.

Yeah, I wouldn't have asked for it back. And it's true. Yeah. And I wouldn't have asked for it back. And it's true.

Yeah.

He would just... Everyone. And how many people would hit him up?

So many people. Now he wouldn't give it to everyone. If he really liked you, he would.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He'd give it to you if he knew that you weren't using him.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Exactly. If you were using him, he knew it. He knew it every single time.

Years ago, his old manager of Black Sabbath, the guy from Birmingham, the old guy, he called up. And I mean, I've been with your father, I mean, a lifetime. And in 45 years, he gets our number and calls the house. Well, it was a few years ago now.

Yeah, because it was during the last Sabbath run, wasn't it?

Yeah, and he goes, can I speak to Ozzy?

You're like, who are you?

Who are you?

And so he spoke to Ozzy and he asked Ozzy for 80 grand because he was going to lose his house and Ozzy went, no.

No.

And he was never afraid of saying no but as you say if he thought people were using him then he wouldn't do it but he would always give people.

Yeah.

Well, I mean, since you brought up Jim Simpson, we might as well talk about that for a quick second.

Yeah, Jim Simpson. First manager, he was there for the first just under two years of them

forming and... Changing from Earth to Sabbath.

And he, what was the name he wanted them? He didn't like the name Black Sabbath and he wanted them to be called.

Something circus.

No, Fred Kano's Army. Something like that.

Something like, Giza told us Fred Kano's Army. And he wanted them to be a jazz band because his forte in life was being a jazz, jazz.

Manager, promoter.

Promoter. You know, I don't know him from a hole in the wall. He wasn't cruel to them, he did his best for them. He definitely wasn't mean to them, but he only could take them so far.

Yeah. Because he was like a local guy.

Local jazz guy in Birmingham. Great, you know, he has his niche. Great for him. And everybody knew when Black Sabbath came to London, that's when I first saw him when I was 18. Everybody, the industry you got to remember in those days was, it could fit in an envelope. Everybody knew everybody else of importance in the industry. And it was a tiny little community.

And everybody was like, there's this band, everybody's talking about, they're coming to play in London and they've got a schmuck of a manager, right? And so everybody wanted to steal them. There was about, say, four managers at the time in England, so it was like that.

Everybody was at the gig, at the marquee to see them. And my dad had a meeting with them the day after they did the marquee because...

He was trying to poach him.

Poach him, as the other three managers were in England at the time. And they came in, they met with my father, they'd heard all the rumors about my father and were terrified of him. But in my father's office, his chauffeur bodyguard, a guy named Wilf, collected Sabbath from their hotel and brought them to our office. And they met with my father, obviously totally terrified of him. They left.ilf drove them back.

To Birmingham?

To the station.

Really? Not even that far?

No, to the station to get the train back. And he stopped in the pub, yada yada yada yada, chatting. And then within a week there was another guy that worked for us called Patrick Meehan. And my father brought him in as a tool manager for Gene Vincent. And then he stayed on working for my father. And so he was like a day to day guy for artists in my dad's office. Wilf and Patrick Meehan.

It was like a double poach.

Double poach. We'll take care of you. We can get you into America. We've got all of Don's contacts. You don't need him. We'll do it. Within a week, they'd gone with the bodyguard chauffeur and the day-to-day guy from my dad's office which was hey you know all's fair in love and war absolutely and Jim Simpson went to court because he had a contract with Black Sabbath which nobody can find it but anyway there was a contract and the judge awarded him 30,000 pounds.

So Patrick Meehan...

In 1970.

In 1970. And in 1970, 30,000 pounds was a lot of money. It was a...

It's like 600K in today's money.

Right.

So...

That's not nothing. It sounds... Today you go, 30,000, that's disgusting. How could they just give him that?

Yeah.

And, but then it was a lot of money. So Jim Simpson, that was it. Yeah. Gone. Never, they never spoke to him, never saw him. It was like, they were like flying. I mean, it was like instant success worldwide for them when their record was out. And Jim Simpson, never, never heard. There was no relationship with him, with any of the guys. There wasn't bad blood, but they were busy being famous. And he was in Birmingham. So their career was flying high. And Jim apparently stayed with his jazz world and did that, but has always traded on, I was the Sabbath manager. I found them,

I did this for them, I did that for them, which is great. You know, it's the usual pop talk. But now, 56 years later, he has tapes of, he claims, of sabbath when they went into demo to get a record deal.

Yeah.

And he's trying to say that they're the Earth demos, right?

They are the Earth demos, he claims. And he claims ownership because he says he paid the bill for the studio, which he says was 500 pounds. Now, if 30,000 pounds-

Surely that would have been baked into that.

No, if 30,000 pounds today is worth or £600,000, what's £500? He would have never had that money to pay for a studio in those days. Never. Anyway, he claims that he paid so therefore he owns them and he's kept it quiet for all these years because they're now out of copyright, which is 50 years. So he's been holding and holding and holding. Anyway, this story is cutting to Jim Simpson could have called us at any time and goes, look, I've got old photos, I've got these tapes, let's be partners.

Let's do a deal. Pay me, you know, I'm a back end, whatever, whatever. No, he doesn't do that. He keeps it totally quiet, finds a little record company, because no major record company would have taken it. He finds this little record label, which the guy who runs it has gone seven times bankrupt, which is fine, but it just shows you the...

Yeah, there's not like a track record of success.

No. And he does a deal with this little record label to take the tapes and...

And they're now trying to...

And distribute them. So we found out and for 18 months we have been going back and forth and saying, we will sue you. You cannot do this. You cannot do this. Now, he's never said you'll get a royalty, not one penny. He thinks he's going to put out these tapes and he's going to get 100% of everything for himself. Now, he's, in his mind, is going back 56 years to where they started. For the first 10 years of their career, they made millions and never got a penny.

Yeah. And so he's treating them the same way.

Treating them the same way. And it's like, no, you, you, I'm sorry. I don't care what the fuck your name is or where you come from. You are a pig. you want it all, you're trying to get away with this, you've waited your time to out of copyright and you, he could have had it so differently. He could have come to us with the tapes, he would have made

a lot of money. And Sabbath would have done well. But you cannot, cannot take this and do this to Sabbath again, again. The second time it would have happened to them. And I'm like, I am putting it out there to every Sabbath fan. If these tapes come out, please don't buy them.

Don't support him.

Don't support him because he's taking 100%. He's lying and saying that he will give money to charity. He's never said what charity or how much money. And what I want to do is just say to him, let it go to a proper record company, it can be properly distributed, properly produced, you will get money, don't do this.

Give it what it deserves. Yeah. And don't treat it like some rinky dink, car boot sale, you know, mixtape.

And don't just, that's exactly what it will be. And he is going to distribute it from his office, Big Bear Records, which isn't even a limited company, he will take people's money and post out the stuff. And it's like, how dare you put these guys at the age they are at in that position again where you're stealing from them.

Yeah, that's a really good point. I mean, with that being said, like, you know, since dad's passing, has there been any kind of vulture-y type?

Yes.

Yeah, you've got all the merch people that come out and, you know, doing this stuff that's all unofficial and whatever, and it's like, hey, okay, okay. And people claiming that Dad said things to them that he never said.

Everyone's always going to do that, you know.

Everybody gets on the bandwagon. He said to me this at the last show and he said to me that, who did Ozzy talk to at the last show?

Axel.

There was a few, there was a few.

But I know the people he spoke to because they had to come into the dressing room to see him. Yeah. So we know who he spoke to.

And there's been a couple people, and I don't know if we want to name names, but- Yeah, let's not. Have said that dad said certain things to them at the last show that we know he never said. Yeah. know he never said. And I mean, we've had quite a few nutters coming out of the woodwork saying that they're speaking to Dad from the grave.

We had one lady send us her toenails. Oh my god, you missed this!

Amazing.

Oh my god, it was a toenail, some blood, hair, because she's absolutely convinced that she is dad's child. Her mum told her.

Oh so we need to do a DNA test, is that why she sent it? Yes. Oh this is so exciting. Yes. We have a new sibling. Yay!

Not insane. And the ones that get me are the ones that say they're talking to dad from the grave. It really bothers me. I think it's severely inappropriate.

But it's like anything, Kel, you've got to realize it. It's like you go on the internet, there's always a group of people, but the fanatics, the nutters, the this, that will always come out and you just, you know, it's life, unfortunately, but you just move on.

I think, but I think a part of that though, is just how deeply affected, we were talking about it earlier, by dad's passing people are. And I think a lot of it is that, and I, you know, I'd see messages and people were like, I never, I never thought I would feel

this way about someone I didn't know dying, you know, you know, celebrity, musician, whatever. And I think people are genuinely feeling this void. And they're just like, holy shit, this

guy's gone. He was like, it's very much like Robin Williams because people adored him. You didn't have to like his movies or whatever. He was one of these people you just warped to. And your dad was the same. He was just...

Yeah, yeah.

And Robin was very much like your dad where he didn't care who you were. Yeah. Didn't care. You know, come talk to you, give you a hug, just a great guy, you know, with no pretenses, genuine. And dad was one of those charismatic people that people were just drawn to.

Yeah.

You know, and he just was so special. And that leads me on to somebody who is not special, that is probably one of the most twisted, sick individuals I've come across in years.

Oh, you're talking about my mate Roger?

Yes, Roger the Dodger or the Lodger.

He's a fucking c***.

He isn't because c***s are good. He is just... He has no charisma, okay? He looks like Frankenstein. And he thinks he's so superior to everybody

and his superiority complex is just so repulsive.

The guy is sick in the head. He is not relevant in today's world. Nobody likes him. This is not just us. Nobody likes this man. Even his family doesn't like him. Unless you're a fascist. A fascist mum.

He's one of those.

I don't even think the fascists like him, mum.

He's boring. No charisma. he's got no stage presence. Jealous. Oh my God, envious. I mean, envious. And he's just a bad seed. A bad, irrelevant bad seed. And in his late years he's trying to remain relevant. So he's got a fucking tea towel on his head and a Palestinian flag and he thinks that makes him relevant.

He kind of has that like perpetual uni student vibe in his 80s.

Oh he thinks he's an anarchist. He's just pathetic. And I hope...

I hope he shits himself in public.

That's too good. Shit makes flowers grow. The guy's got nothing good in him. He's just a pathetic, lonely... I do not know how those guys in pink Floyd put up with him as long as they did. I was about to say they didn't put up with him. David is the most gracious, warm person you could ever meet. He's just a great, great

guy. How on earth did he manage to work alongside him? Yeah. Well, I mean, clearly the guy's, the guy's problematic. And I do think, I do think

it's funny though, is that probably the most press he's had in years was me responding to him.

Oh yeah. Yeah. Dad didn't like him.

No, but that's why I put dad, my dad always thought you were a c**t because it was true. Dad would always be like, I love Pink Floyd, I f**king hate Roger Waters.

Yeah.

But dad would never say that publicly.

No.

Because he's a, you know, you don't do that.

Do you know what he is? He's like a sad, irrelevant, old, miserable human being. A miserable, ugly human being.

My friend sent me, after I tweeted that, my friend sent me, it was just like a meme, and it was from The Simpsons. And you know the grandpa in The Simpsons? Yeah. There was like, there was a Simpsons clip

and it was the grandpa, and it was from the newspaper, and it says, old man yelling at the clouds again. And that's what he is. He's just like an old man yelling at the clouds.

You're like,

Yeah.

I love the fact to see him desperately trying to be a part of what's going on in the world. And he's just pathetic and sad.

All he would have had to say was, you know, I didn't really know Ozzy's music very well, it's sad for his family. That's all he had to say. If he didn't, you know, you keep it simple, you keep it clean, you don't get, you don't punch down like he did.

But do you know why he did it?

To get attention?

No, he did it because he knows I'm half Jewish. You think? Yes! I don't know about that, Mum. I do. I don't know. Anyway. And so it's like, fuck. Do you know what? Calling him a c***, yes, it's funny, but he's just pathetic. Mm. Yes. See, when I, can I just say this though? Go on. I save that word for very special moments, because you don't get much,

like I don't think of a c*** as a vagina.

I think of a c*** as a piece of f***ing s***, and that is what he is.

Yeah.

He's the worst word you can think of. And most people, when you say the word, take great offense. So I send great offense to you, Roger Waters. You are a fucking.

I think we've given him enough time for an old fart.

Can I just say a special fuck you? Whoever fucking put dad's grave site on Google Maps, fuck you. Yeah. And whoever flew a drone over my dad's grave, fuck you. We didn't ask for that.

We asked you to stay away from it. And you said you did it respectfully. Well, I respectfully say, fuck you.

Yeah.

Very rude.

But I will say though, I think the mainstream media were respectful and there was no major

coverage of it.

No, they tried the drones but it didn't work.

Until that one motherfucker did it. Our security outside were going, we'll shoot them down, it's fine. I'm like, good.

I do think it's important though that, I know we've briefly touched on it, but, you know, the 17 days after the show, you know, there's a lot of people saying like, you know, where was dad at? How was he? You know, everyone that's kind of, you know, the interviews that I've done, it seems people want to know. And, you know, I think we talk about how good those days were.

He was so happy.

He was busy, very busy. I mean,

He finished, like the craziest thing that I can't get my head around is every single obligation he had, he finished.

Yeah.

There were two that he didn't finish. What? There were two that he didn't finish. Well, Lemmy, there's an album coming out of people covering Lemmy songs. And he had chosen his song and he really, really wanted to do it. He really, really wanted to do it

and we were trying to fit it in. And he really wanted to be on that album for Lemmy. And the other one was David Draymond and him were doing a duet and never happened.

But he did the two documentaries.

He finished his book.

Yeah.

Did the art for the monkeys.

He was so proud of doing that. He, it gave him such joy to do that. He was so happy. And he did a photo shoot where he's holding up the pictures and then he had a banana for the monkeys. He was just so, for the apes.

He was just so excited about doing it. And you know what? He raised a lot of money for the charity and...

Yeah, well, speaking of that, there was an awful lot of bullshit that went out about how much money the show raised.

If one show could have raised, I mean, it was up to like 190 million, it's like any artist just do one big show, film it and you can retire just on one show. No, it was nowhere near and I wish that it was but we're living in reality in the real world and...

What did it raise?

It was like, what was it, five or six? No. we're living in reality in the real world. And- What did it raise?

It was like, what was it, five or six?

No, it raised 11.

Okay.

But with the costs, cause we paid the costs of bringing everybody in. Yeah. Everybody out, accommodation, everything.

No one got paid.

No one got paid. Nobody asked for a penny. They gave their time, their efforts, everything for free. And they would just... Let's just say everybody who was involved did that for free. Yeah.

Oh yeah.

But it's still great. People were just, oh God, so generous.

My favorite are the people who pretended like they couldn't be there, and that's why they weren't there.

But I'm like, you weren't invited. But you're always gonna get those two. So it's like, the thing is, I mean, Anthrax. The guys in Anthrax, Jack. They got some of the last pictures with Dad, which were with Anthrax.

Yeah, yeah, because we did the Birmingham Comic Con.

They're all such great guys and they gave so much and their crew guys were amazing. And the crew guys, because we paid the crew, obviously, they turned around and said, we don't want it. And they went over and above with everything. Just great, great people.

Yeah, it's funny, I forget about the signing. It's like, that's another thing we did, you know, dad. It's like, so it really, it really is wild when you look at.

He loved doing those signings, didn't he?

He loved them.

He did. He loved meeting his fans.

He really loved, loved, loved going out. Do you remember when he did the Comic-Con? Have I said it right? Yeah, yeah. In San Diego. And he came in and everybody cheered as he came in.

And he just loved it.

Yeah, he really, and that was the other thing too. We were like, do you want to cancel it? You know, don't you just want to rest after the show? He's like, no, let's do it. Yeah, he was fired up. And I think that's why it's has been so hard

is because we know how he was, he was-

On a high.

Yeah.

He was loving life.

He was rocking and rolling, literally. And I'm just so grateful that I got to spend those two weeks with him. Yeah, God yeah. And that's the other thing. He got to spend time with all of us individually, you know, and you know, Lewis even was with him the week before. It was just like...

Yeah, Louis and the kids and everyone. Yeah, everyone got to have their time with him. Yeah, yeah.

I talked about the podcast I did, you know, my kids getting stomach flu and I was supposed to be in Portugal and I wouldn't have really got to see him.

If you'd have gone on that trip.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. A lot of things kind of lined up in a, I don't know, it's fucked up to say, but there was a level of perfection around it because I don't think there was anything left open. In the sense of like, oh, I wish we'd have done this. Oh, I wish we'd have done this.

Oh, I wished we'd have done that.

I just wanted more time.

But you're always gonna want more time.

You're always gonna want more time. And this is a huge example for our little family. Time is so precious, time. And don't waste time with anyone. Time, and it's like, we always used to say, Daddy and I would say, you can't buy time.

If only, if only.

There's one resentment I have, and that is, I always heard Dad going down the stairs in the morning and the first thing I always said to him was morning dad I love you and I'd call it out and he'd say I love you more and walk down the stairs and on the morning that he passed I didn't say it.

But he knew. He knew. He knew so much.

Yeah.

One thing, Ozzy was great. And he was a master of acting, not dumb.

Oblivious. not dumb, Checked out.

Oblivious.

Checked out. And he was a master of that and he wasn't. He knew everything that was going on.

Yeah.

Everything.

With himself too.

Yeah.

He's really aware of himself.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

You know, it's Kel, you might, you know, I've said this though, but like, you're lucky that you were here.

You know? He's lucky that you guys were here.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the people that have, I mean, it's just...

Can I also just say really quickly a thank you to everybody on the medical team that tried their best with dad?

Oh, absolutely.

That's, I think there was so much.

Yeah.

Yeah. All the paramedics and life flight people and they showed him so much dignity.

They did.

They really did.

They did.

They were amazing. And we've looked at Birmingham, have been so fantastic. And I'd like all the people in Birmingham to know that all the flowers that were left for Ozie at the bench. Every single one of them was collected. Every single note was collected and sorted and photographed. The flowers were then sent and-

Turned into compost for us. Yes. And we have it all here.

We have everything here. We've got all those flowers, all that compost that will go back onto our land. And every single, I mean, the other day outside the house here, I mean, we know what was left here.

Every single day still there are flowers and notes left.

And I want people to know that we read every single one of them and if you have left something we have put it on Dad's grave.

Yeah, everything. But it's like even there was a note left by obviously a child and it was on the back of a Sainsbury's receipt and they'd written Aussie, Aussie, Aussie, oy, oy, oy, and on the back of a receipt and put under the gate. I mean, it's just, you know, it's so heartwarming. And what's going to happen to every single note that was left in Birmingham and here is going to be put on screens and put into the museum in Birmingham.

Oh, cool. So everybody can come and see their notes and know that it wasn't one that has not been read and appreciated and-

Yeah, it didn't get tossed. We got it all.

Yeah, nothing has been thrown out, nothing. And it never will.

Yeah, no.

And if you're wondering or still thinking about things to send, one thing that we have found really beautiful and helpful is the crystals that people have been sending and we put them out by dad. And he's glistening in the sun

under thousands of crystals. And I think that that is really, has been really beautiful.

Yeah. One thing that I find morbidly funny is that even though dad was sick for as long as he was, he left zero fucking word about what he wanted to have happen to him.

We had to read his book.

I got when I landed, I got off the plane and I'm like, so what's the plan? What did he leave? And everyone was like, there is none. And so, yeah, it was that we had to call dad's ghostwriter, Chris, and ask him what he said in the book and read his old book and find stuff he put in interviews and...

Daddy didn't like to talk about.

No. He'd like to talk about everyone else's death, but he'd generally be excited when people died. He'd be like, oh my god, guess who died today? But he never, ever, ever spoke about his own.

When you say excited, he was...

He wasn't excited.

Oh my God, Jack, he would get pumped up. Like he would be like, oh, you're never gonna believe who died today.

When people like OJ died, he was like, yeah, fucking OJ died. But yeah, it was like an added level of like, I don't know, you figure it out.

No, the one thing he left, which was absolutely, he did not want to be.

Cremated.

Yeah.

Yeah, no, he didn't.

And that was our agreement.

It was just like an added thing of like, what do we do? What do we do? You know, but it was a classic hymn. You figure it out. I'll just turn up on the day.

Yeah.

But it, there were some, but there were some really beautiful things though that happened in the wake of it, if that's the right word.

Listen, just the outpouring of love is so overwhelming and comforting and to know that your dad, my husband, Louis' dad, my husband, Louis' dad, Amy's dad.

Kids' grandpapa.

Was so loved. Yeah. And that is, I mean.

I mean, should we play the voicemail?

Yeah.

Not saying who it's from. Everyone will know.

Hi, Sharon.

It's Donald Trump, and I just wanted to wish you the best and the family of great. Ozzy was amazing. He was an amazing guy. I met him a few times, and I want to tell you, he was unique in every way and talented. So I just wanted to wish you the best and it's a tough thing. I know how close you were and whatever I can do,

take care of yourself. Say hello to the family. Thanks, bye.

Love him or hate him, he didn't have to call and leave a voicemail.

Listen, when it comes to politics, we know nobody comes out a winner. Whoever you like, there's...

Half.

Half of people are going to go like this. And now it's more so than ever in history, is it, that people's choice of which party, which politician, it's no, you can't come out a winner. All I know is a man that I know, I worked with for a month, I spent one month with to, his wife.

Yeah.

And he was always, how are the children? How's Kelly? I'm so proud of Kelly and Jack for what they've done and their manners are great. And he was just a great guy to talk to. And he has always treated me with respect.

Listen, I'm not American. I can't vote. I don't want to vote. I don't vote for anyone. I vote for no one. Never have, never will. But the thing is, all I know is he's treated me with respect, your father with respect. He wanted nothing from us. Nothing. Melania the same, nothing. And they have been great. And for him to take his time to do that for us, and because do you know what? He doesn't live in a bubble. He knows what's going on

in the streets. He knows what is going on. And I can't say that for our Prime Minister. The, again, for President Trump and Melania, thank you.

Yeah.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

And we got a lovely letter from the King.

Our King, now we're talking. Our King is, he's an amazing person. He is an amazing person, not just because he wrote to us when Ozzy passed, but if he did it for us, you know, he does it for many, many, many people. Now, here's a man that does know what's going on in the street with people. Not just politics, not just, you know, he's a man that cares about the environment, animals, he cares about many, many, many things. And he's got a good heart. He's got a good heart. He didn't

have to do certain things that he's done for Ozzy. In the past, Ozzy's birthday when Ozzy was sick in hospital with the motorbike accident, he reached out. He's a good, caring man with a good heart. And Ozzy's, as me, we're royalists and that's it.

You know, we respect him. We respect his family. We're royalists and that's it.

You know, we respect him, we respect his family, we respect and that's it. And he is, again, took the time out of his day to write us, have it hand delivered to us, a note from the king for Ozzy's passing with his condolences. And that says so much.

The same, I know that this is a completely like different end of the scale, but I felt that way about Jimmy Fallon as well. I didn't expect to receive a handwritten note. I mean, there's so many people that we could just go on and on and on about that I never expected to hear from.

Yeah.

Yeah, we got some really amazing.

Daddy always used to say about Jimmy, he said, why was he never in a band? This guy would have been great in a band, the best front guy ever. He could never understand why he wasn't a musician.

Of like the tributes you saw online, what ones kind of stand out the most? Like the videos and things. I know you love your little, the sketches that that guy does.

Yeah, they're great.

For my birthday, did you see what he did?

No, I didn't.

We did this little sketch of daddy hanging out in the clouds and there was a phone box and he's like, happy birthday darling. It was so cute. Anyway and so many jackets.

Some of them were a bit shit if I'm honest.

I liked the Kingsguard.

Yeah that one was amazing. Oh my god and Tony Iommi, he couldn't believe it. He was bowled over that the Kingsguard played Paranoid.

It was amazing.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But it was like everyone from Oasis to Robbie Williams.

With the tributes.

Yeah, Robbie Williams. Rod Stewart.

Rod Stewart.

Rod Stewart.

Coldplay.

Lady Gaga.

Lady Gaga's was great.

Yeah.

I mean, and it was, your dad would have loved to see these different versions that people were doing with their tributes of his music. Yeah. And it was just, but Rod doing Playing Forever Young for that. I mean, so many, many, many, and I know we've missed out names for artists that did such amazing tributes to him was just like.

It meant so much to us.

And to Daddy. I mean, he would have just never, ever, ever believed. I mean, he would always go on about Gaga's voice. I mean, he saw her one time at a charity event that we were at and she was playing piano, just singing in the middle of this charity event. And he was just bowled over. He couldn't believe the power of her voice.

You know, I did my kind of check-in podcast a few weeks ago, but how have you guys been holding up? What have you guys learned through this?

The whole thing about time. Time, yeah. Time, time, time is so precious. It's so precious. And you know, things I think of, you know, when you go, no, when I retire, I'm gonna do this.

Fuck it, do it now. Do it now. Don't wait. You know, daddy so wanted to go to Egypt to see the pyramids. That was his, like, he was so like, we're going to go to Egypt, we're going to go, we're going to see it. And he never got to go. But it's just, it's time and grief.

I never realized just how horrible grief is.

It comes in these waves, waves, waves,

and you just go, oh.

I never knew I was capable of loving somebody so much and missing somebody so much. I just, I never thought there'd be a day where he wouldn't be here.

But then how blessed are you to have had a dad like him?

So lucky.

Blessed.

Like.

Listen, he wasn't a saint.

Fuck, what's he not?

Jesus. No, no, he was a Viking more than a saint.

Yes, but he loved so, so hard. He loved.

Yeah, it's, you know, when I've said it all, you know, just gratitude.

Yeah, I'm so grateful for every moment with him. And I'm so grateful that he was my dad. And for all the madness and all the chaos and everything that came along with it.

You know, the interesting thing with grief is like, it is both kind of horrible and beautiful in a way that it forces you to kind of unpack and examine things and like, yeah, it sucks that he's gone. But it also is, for me, it has led to like a huge amount of gratitude and love and like really cherishing moments that at the time you take for granted.

It's like people don't realize how precious memories are. Memories are everything. And the memories that we've all got of your dad.

And that's why I say, please don't stop posting because a little video that you post that-

You might not think anyone will see.

Yeah, we see them and it puts a smile on my face

or makes me remember or makes me think of him and smile.

And it's... I was telling Jack, I saw something that Tommy Lee posted.

I saw that yesterday. Did you see it?

I texted him and said, thank you. It was so lovely.

Yeah, yeah.

And it's just grief. It's something that never goes away. You just learn to live with it. I won't die.

I had a really, really, really, really hard time with accepting this.

No.

And accepting that I have to go on without him.

But that's just it.

You don't. He's there. He's with you. He's in, here is in here.

But he would want you to go on. That's the thing. He was the last person in the world to sit there and be like, fold up like a lawn chair. He would be like, what you-

He would, you know what he would say to me sometimes? If I ever died, would you ever go with another man? I'm like, fuck, no other man. What fucking man wants me except you? Are you fucking nuts? Can you imagine? And I'd say to him, if I died, would you ever go with another woman? He goes, yeah. He goes, yeah, I wouldn't marry him, but I'd go with him. Sure would.

Okay.

Thanks for your honesty.

Yeah.

But that, but like, dad was so much the, let's like, come on, like, you know, if any of us would-

He would hate seeing me cry. But it's just all I seem to find myself

doing these days is because I miss him so much.

Yeah. And it's like, it's okay. Like you feel that.

It's this, all this love that you feel that you have for someone that you put into them. And now

there's no one to give it to. But there is. It's not the same. You know? It's a different kind of love, Cam.

You've got your baby boy.

Kelly. I mean, he got, if it wasn't for my baby boy, I...

Having the kids has been a huge help.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's...

But do you know what? That's the way it goes. I mean, your parents go, hopefully in the right order, that you don't lose a child and be an older parent with a lost child.

Yeah.

It's the way of life.

And just as Dad would want all of us to, you know, pick ourselves up and continue on and do what we're meant to do here. You're gonna want your boy to do the same. You know, I'm gonna want my kids to do the same. You know, it's up to.

I'm just so grateful that Sidney got to meet him.

Absolutely, yeah.

They got to know him. Yeah. And that they had such a special little relationship.

The strange thing is, you know, it seems like Maple, it's out of all my kids, she's kind of been hit the hardest by it. I wasn't expecting that. I thought it would have been the older kids. But what now?

I think that's the big, you know, what's the moving forward look like?

Well, if I can get my head around time, how it's just so weird when you just, you lose all sense of time. It just, I wake up and I go, what day is it even?

I wake up and for the first three seconds, I feel normal. And then I remember everything and it, mornings are the hardest for me.

I was having a hard time. I'd get like, cause you know, Michael came to my door at like three, four, like four in the morning or whatever. Like if I get up to pee in the night, I'm like, oh, you know,

I have this weird thing about being up at like around three or four in the morning.

What is the morning? No. Because it four in the morning. What is the morning? Because it happened in the morning.

And I used to spend most of my time with dad in the morning.

Yeah.

I hate going to bed at night.

Yeah.

I totally understand that.

I said I totally understand that. I hate going into a room empty.

Yeah.

I mean, I slept with you for the first two months so that you weren't on your own, but then I felt like you needed some space.

I have found alone time has been helpful. Not a huge amount, but like having, you know, I've been going up to Idaho and had a few days up there when I was alone and it was nice. It was nice to just kind of be, but there's a lot to do, you know?

It's, it's dad, and I've said this a thousand times to us, that he left us a huge world, you know? And we have to, we have to pick up the flag. Mama has to release a new disco album.

Yeah.

You fucking hated that. You'd always be like, stop talking about that stupid disco record. God. Wait, when we did the signing.

Somebody brought a...

Somebody brought the record.

Somebody brought one, yeah.

Yeah.

My God.

Yeah.

My God.

Is there a plan to do like a, like a, like a tribute concert or something like that? Is that something you've batted around at all?

I'm talking to the villa again. Yeah. You know, we'll see. It's just been amazing. Daddy's exhibition at Birmingham Museum, the traffic that's brought through the museum and all of that.

They've extended it.

They've extended it and I just want it to go around the world. And they did such a good job with, you know, working class hero, cause that's what he is.

Yeah, absolutely.

That's exactly what he is. He just always will be to me. Yeah. I mean, I can remember when he first went into the palace in England, when he did the show for Her Majesty.

The Jubilee.

And he was just like, I can't believe this is like a dream to me. I just can't believe where I am and like all of these people around.

And he kept saying, don't leave me, don't leave me on my own, don't leave me. And I can I can remember just being with. I remember being there with you and him.

But the when we were inside at the reception afterwards and I was got my naughty head on to wind people up. I remember I said to Harry, he was there and he was talking to Zara and not sure who else, but I said to him, as a wind-up, I'm going to the ladies, can you watch my handbag?

But he also asked us if it was true the dog shat all over our house. And I was like, yes.

I don't remember that one, but I asked if he'd watch my handbag where I had a piss and he went, no. I wanted to say it's not for real, I'm winding you up, but you know.

That's funny.

Yeah. no.

But I think that, yeah, I mean, now we've said it a hundred times already, but like part of dad's superpower was that he didn't, he never.

He didn't take things for granted.

No, no, and he never let it get too to his head.

Never, he just.

For some reason, I don't know why this keeps popping into my head, but when we did that, when his last book came out, 2009, we went to the Spike TV Awards, because they were giving him an award for his book. And on the way there, he was just in a foul mood,

remember? And he was just having a full-blown...

Oh, he was fucking awful that night.

Screaming at you, and it was one of the only times...

I left. All of us had been together.

No, no, you were there. No, I left the awards early. I just...

No, you were, because there's a... You were there. No, I was at the table.

It was one of the only times that all of us was together. I was at the table, I sat, and then I was like, I'm not taking the chair. I remember you did leave.

I left.

But even though he was being a total just nightmare, I remember we walked in and then James Gandolfini.

Oh, I know.

I don't know why this story gets me.

When he walked up to dad. I know. And this is like the height of the Sopranos.

And James Gandolfini like gets on his knees and just kisses dad's hand.

Yeah.

I'd do anything for a crummy kiss. Dad always had food in his mouth when he gave you a kiss.

But it was just that kind of, he still like, I think he always struggled with like his superpower because he didn't understand it.

No, he didn't. Because he was still a huge fan of other musicians. Such a huge music fan. And he just never thought of himself that way. Because he still was that man that was a fan.

He didn't, like I said, he didn't understand what it was that he had.

That's what made him so special.

Yeah, exactly. He knew he could do these things. He knew he was great at these things, but he could never sit there and contextualize why or how.

He told me a story once, so I'm not gonna say who it was, but he was probably, might be still looked at as one of the greatest singers in rock. And Daddy obviously knew him very well. And they were together, this is a long, long, long time ago. And it was him and Daddy together in this guy's house. And he said to Ozzy,

what does it feel like to be with the greatest singer in rock?

Please tell me who that was.

I know who it was, I know who it was. I'll tell you later.

Did Daddy tell you?

He did and then he promptly followed it with, I don't know, I'll tell you when I find him.

He would have, I mean, but he didn't consider himself.

No. But he was.

He was.

He would, when we would have to go to things like the Grammys and all of that, he would always feel like...

No, that's why he didn't hang out with a bunch of musicians, because he just, he was like, you know, he wasn't like one of the fucking, the lads who like, you know, did the deal. He just was his own thing.

He would say to me, I feel better sat in a pub with the farmers than actually going to an event and hanging out with

Yeah, industry folks.

My peers, yeah. He just didn't. And that was the thing with the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. He said, I feel like I'm singing to executives and I don't want to.

Yeah.

I just, every time I think of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, it just, dad's shit list for everybody whose speeches took too long and why he was going on later and later and later in the night. And like, he went from absolutely thinking the sun shined out of Mary J. Blige's ass

to by the time she was done being like, get her off the stage. He still loved her though.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And Jack Black.

Oh, Jack Black was amazing.

I mean, what a guy. What a guy.

Yeah, absolutely.

It's like, yeah.

And he's another one though that is so real. So authentic.

Yeah.

We should probably wrap this up now. I think we've just been rambling on.

But again, the people who have reached out to us, we know every message left, every email sent, everything. And we just cannot thank you enough.

Yeah.

Anything else you want to say, Kal?

I don't know how, I don't know how to put into words what dad's fans did for him. He loved him. And I don't know how to thank everybody enough for being there at his final show

and for the outpouring of love and condolences since he's passed, it's just meant everything. And it's just solidified how loved he was. And I'll never be able to say thank you enough.

Yeah. and I'll never be able to say thank you enough. Yeah, no, I absolutely echo those exact words and so thanks everyone for listening and uh Yeah, no, I absolutely echo those exact words and so thanks everyone for listening and uh bye. No it's not bye's just, we love you all.