Unc & Ocho react to Giants-Patriots, Dillon Gabriel's fiancee said WHAT about Shedeur? | Nightcap

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The last few hours of Cyber Monday sale is going on now. And items are up to 60%. I sure hope y'all took my advice last night. Look at that pink four flex play, Ocho. You see it right there on your face? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Hit it. Yeah. Hit it. I wanna rock right now.

Hey, how much we won?

$25, $125, a little criminal money.

Okay, yeah, that's nice.

Every little thing can help, because I told him Santa Claus got laid off. Ain't no criminal coming this year. Santa Claus got laid off. But, but that was a very, oh yeah, Trevion Harris, oh yeah, he went over. Cause he rushing and receiving, rushing and receiving.

Oh, as I mentioned before, the Patriots beat the Giants by the score 33 to 15. New England led 30 to seven at the half, Giants special teams. Guess what? Marcus Jones, who will be the all pro returner this year.

A 94 yard punt return to really break it open. And Christian Ellis. Boy he unlooked, Ocho, I told you. I told you last night. You say he gonna, I said, Ocho, he ain't learned his lesson yet. Yeah, yeah. No, no, no, no. He learned his lesson. You see how he went flying? Check.

When you see a guy going flying like that, that means he's totally relaxed. He didn't brace himself.

Mm-hmm.

So he's running because when they teach you to sprint, what they tell you to do?

Relax.

Relax your body.

So he's totally relaxed. Mm-hmm. They can't hit you like that no other time. Right. They're not going to pull up. They are going to try to unload. And boy, he had a... A Jackson Dart must have an air tag on him. Because boy, when he hold it on him, he like...

Yeah.

I don't even know what an air tag is. But I hear people talking about it.

Yeah.

I hear people talking about air tags and they can find somebody's location. Well, when he found his location, and then guess what Ocho? You see him on the kickoff?

Yeah.

Go to sleep.

Yeah, the accordion, I,

Jackson Dart has to be safe. He has to be safe. He's a special player. He's going to be special. What he can do when he has the ball in his hands, I've been able to extend plays,

make things happen off a script, outside of the scheme that, outside of the plays that are called, he's going to be good. But he has to learn to protect himself and know, know when the journey is over. Know when it's okay to step out of bounds. It's okay to slide.

You don't have to be taking on DB. You don't have to take on linebackers and prove that you're tough. That team, that team is going to be good on once they get Malik back. Once they get scattered scatterboat back. They gonna be nice.

I think I like to make it maybe get maybe get a playmaking safety or corner. Yeah, maybe an offensive line, but because I think they have the pieces. Oh, Joe, you do. I do think they have pieces.

Yeah, the Patriots are really, really good. The one thing they're really, really well coach. We know that about Braves. Yes, sir. We saw that in Tennessee. Tennessee, y'all made a big mistake. Y'all made a big mistake. You should have never let this man out of the building. Coaches like him don't come along often.

No.

You let Derrick Henry out the building. You let AJ Brown, excuse me, out of the building.

Yeah.

You can't keep having turnover like that. You can't be personal. I mean because you get if you get too involved as an owner, it becomes personal. You got to get rid of the guy and I think that's why the Patriots were so was lasted so long. Right that Mr. Craft stayed away. He didn't let his personal feelings.

What he thought about coach Belichick get involved and then you can let things blossom the way they should be. But man, would you look at them, Drake made 24-31, Ocho, 282-2 touchdowns. You got a 29-carat, a buck 19, Hunter Henry four for 73, Ramondre Stevenson three for 40,

Boutique had four for 35 and one, Kyle Williams had one for 33 and one touch. They're very good. Look, they ain't got nobody, they don't got no big name receiver that jump off the board at you.

No. They ain't got, hey, Drake Mayer, but they got that guy.

Yeah.

You got that guy, Ocho.

I don't think people understand how good Drake Mayer has been. Like, obviously, I knew he was good. I didn't know he was this good. I agree. I think he has a completion percentage of about almost damn near 70%. 70% dating back to last year. And I'm not talking about 70% completion percentage

throwing screen, not bubble screens, not check downs, not throwing to the running back. I'm talking about plays over 20 yards. 20 yards or better, and that lets me know, for one, he's not scared to let it rip. Not only is he not scared to let it rip. Correct. Not only is he not scared to let it rip.

He is insanely accurate with the ball as well. Yeah, so and you know what I like about the receiving core. You say they don't have a superstar receiver. They don't have a true number one, but every every game somebody else shows up.

Every guy is somebody else. Huh? The guys fit. Yes, they fit. Yes. Look at he had three completions over 30 yards. He had a 36 yard to Hunter Henry, a 36 yard to Ramondre Stephens. Yes, and he had a 33 yard to Kyle Williams. He had one, two, three, four,

five, six, seven, eight, nine. He had nine completions of at least 10 yards. So that tells me, Ocho, that he's unafraid to push the ball down the field.

Down the field, yeah.

Look, there gonna be times you screen the ball, Ocho, I get that, you're gonna run it. Screen to the running back, you're gonna run a smoke screen or a jailbreak screen, bubble screen, whatever they call them now, you're gonna run that.

But at the end of the day and he's unafraid to push the ball down the field give Josh McDaniels Extreme credit look he might not be a great head coach, but he's an unbelievable offensive court. I'm believe Yeah, very unbelievable very good guys in the right position and everybody has flourished under him No, I thought Tom Brady out cuz Tom Brady flourished under everybody But when you look at what he's done with Matt Jones, you look at what he did with Jimmy Garoppolo, you look at what he did with Jacoby Brissett,

you look at what he did with Matt Jones. Now, you look at what he's doing with Drake May.

Drake May, yeah.

His ability to get the quarterback to understand what he's, what he wants, and the quarterback to be an extension of the offensive coordinator on the field, the second to none. They're like, look, Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVay and Andy Reid. Yes, but Josh McDaniel doesn't have to take a backseat to any of them. No,

no, absolutely not. Because he has success with every quarterback. He's touched every quarterback. He's had to deal with. They've had success on the field. And like you said, the quarterback has always been an extension of him. And outside of, you know, the goat being Tom Brady, the fact that he's been able to do it with everyone he's been a part of says a lot about him being the quarterback whisperer.

Yeah, and wasn't he the guy? Was he? Was he the OC with Matt Castle?

You know, I'm not sure. Was it him or...?

It was him because then he wound up going to Denver.

If I'm not mistaken, I think he was going to Denver. He was the head coach in Denver.

John cause Charlie Weiss left and went to Notre Dame.

Notre Dame.

Yeah.

Okay.

Wasn't what

that have been 2000 and they lost the Super Bowl in 07.

You should, were you sure? Wasn't him? It was a hit.

Oh, Bill O'Brien, which one? That's what I'm saying. It might have been him or Bill O'Brien.

Right.

But he left and went to the Broncos. He might have went to the Broncos in nine, though.

Yeah, 08 was McDaniel.

08 was McDaniel. So, it was him that lost that, that, the Super Bowl. Who lost the Super Bowl? Bill O'Brien? but he's been able to keep up with the six of it. Okay, yeah, okay. So, it's a, his ability to have a vision of what he want his offense to look like and to communicate that with the quarterback and get the quarterback on the same wavelength

so they see things eye to eye, he's unbelievable. Like I said, he's been a lot of places as a head coach and it doesn't work. But play calling when he's just responsible for one thing, the offense. Ocho.

Yeah, listen, he's one of the best. He's one of the best.

Ocho.

Yo.

We saw something tonight, Ocho. I hadn We saw something tonight Ocho. I hadn't seen this since peanuts. The last time I see somebody miss a ball like this, it was Charlie Brown, but Lucy moved it.

Wait a minute.

What happened?

Did you see the kicker?

Oh, you talking about my dog, Young Ho?

Yeah.

Hey, I'm not sure, but you got to keep your eye on the ball. You got to keep your eye on the ball. You got to keep your eye on the ball. Now, listen to me, me as a kicker, you know, I understand. The one thing you do, you should never be able to miss a kick. You should never be able to stub your toe. It's all about the foot, hand, I'm talking about the foot and eye coordination.

Like, you do that so often, how does that even happen? Not by, okay, let's, because we've seen guys, they get too much of the ground, and they kick the ball, and it doesn't go through. We ain't seen nobody miss the whole damn ball, and just don't, don't, and the holder looking back, the holder like,

hold on, you got me down in this down position,

they about to tear my ass up, let me get up out of here. Hey, I've never seen that. I've never seen that. In all my years of playing football, I've seen them hit the dirt. Like, you know, when you swing the tee and you catch the dirt before you hit the ball. I've seen that. But actually, stub your toe and not even make contact with the ball at all.

That's a first.

I saw, I've seen guys kick the ball low and kick the guy in the ass. They're snapping the ball to him. I've seen guys get hit in the head with the ball, just kicking it. But I've never seen, he missed the entire ball. Ocho, he wasn't even close to kicking the ball.

No, not even close.

Not even close.

And I'm with Jackson Dart. Jackson Dart like, what the F? I'm like, bro. I'm hoping that hoping that doesn't cost him that doesn't

cost him his job.

What else do they let him?

He lost his job in Atlanta.

Yeah.

Yeah, but missing kicks.

Do you think it's somewhere else?

It shank some kicks?

Yeah.

Damn, you know what?

When it's it look. You have to have mental toughness to play a professional sport and to be good at it. But when you get them demons as a kicker, it's like a golfer. You get the gifts, David Duvall, Ian Baker Finch, you see guys, you see guys, second baseman,

Chuck Loblock, they couldn't throw the ball to first base, they play at second base. They couldn't throw it. Rick Gankil, he was a pitcher. He had to move to the outfield, because he couldn't get the ball across the plate. But we got a problem, huh?

You got a problem. You have to understand. Certain positions on the football field, certain positions, they get chances over and over and over to prove themselves. Kickers, games are won and lost on your goddamn leg. Games are won and lost and you can change the directory of a game

when it's ending on your leg. You don't have opportunity to be making those kind of mistakes and especially in games of importance. Now, it's a bad thing that the goddamn Giants are 2-11.

The other bad team, yeah.

So, I mean, it doesn't make any sense, but coaches want consistency at that one position. If I have to be able to count on one thing, it's having a kicker that can be consistent for me and always give us points once we get in field goal range.

They might not be good right now, but I wanna be around when they do get good so I get an opportunity to kick. But doing stuff like this here, guess what Ocho? They said, I got to go into the market, I gotta get me a kicker. Cause the one that we have, he isn't reliable.

And I've got to be able to count on you. Because more times than not, these are one possession games. You might have to kick the ball to get us into overtime, you might have to win it. We don't know. But I need to be able to trust you.

I can't go out there, Lord have mercy, please let him make this kick every time you go out there. I mean, I'm gonna have to pray every once in a while, but if I got to pray every time you go to get I got to pray for the PAT. I got to pray for the pill field goal. I got to pray. You don't kick it out of bounds. That's good. I mean, you know, I don't mind praying. But I want to use some of those prayers for something beneficial.

Yeah, right. You know, it's funny too. Also, when it comes to kickers in the NFL, I know there's 32 of them. There are 32 teams. There are 32 kickers, but they're just like quarterbacks, huh? They're like, they're just like, I'm talking about your regular, your Aubrey's in Dallas, your Cam Willis, your McPherson's,

you know those top dudes, it's hard to find those that are consistent. Hell, if you play for the goddamn Cowboys, you get to the 50-yard line? Wait, you not even, no, you get to the 40-yard line. Not even your 40.

Those 40's 40.

You in range.

You in range. Yep. You in range. Yep. McPherson, Cincinnati kicker, he just hit 65 not too long ago. You get to the 50, you in range.

Yeah, Cam Little hit a 68 yarder.

Cam Little, I see, yeah, Cam, that's what I meant. Cam Little.

Right here.

Hey man, come on man. It's only a few of them.

You right. But yeah, that was a, like I said, I could be in the minority chat, but I don't think the Giants is as far as people think they are. I think they got, I think, you know, Brian Burns and Dexter Lawrence coming along.

Thibodeau is out, Thibodeau normally. Was he out today? Cause I didn't see him. I didn't see him. I think he's hurt. Yeah, I don't know if he's gonna be back. I don't know if they picked up his option, Ocho, his fifth year option, so I'm not sure he's gonna be back.

And then plus the fact that you got Abdul Carter, you took him with the what, second pick, third pick in the draft? So there's a likelihood that you're probably gonna move on from Thibodeau, I'm not sure. You got Brian Burns who you played a lot of money for. You got a lot of money tied up in Dexter Lawrence. He got a lot of sacks too now. Who that?

Brian Burns.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but I'm saying. So you got pieces that you can build around. You got, like I said, Dexter Lawrence is a top defensive lineman. You got Brian Burns who's a top edge rusher. You drafted Abdul Carter with the hope could be the opposite of Brian Burns, so you have guys that can play off each other. Like the Broncos got Benito and Cooper.

Or you got Vers and you got Young at the Rams. You got guys that can play off of each other, and so you slide the protection one way, I get one on one, hey.

Somebody gotta eat.

I think the Giants are really, really close. I just think the quarterback needs to be a little smarter, live to see another day. You gotta know when the journey's over. Everything, hey, everything, I get it. If it's a situation like in the Super Bowl

where John had to do the helicopter, that's one thing. But in a game like this here, you on the sideline, bro. I'd rather you go out of bounds and be two yards short as opposed to get the first down and take that shot. Right, bro. You not built for that. You're not built to take those kind of shots.

No, not at all. Not at all. He's a he's exciting. Oh, he's an XCA. He's exciting to watch

Ocho. Mike Kafka was asked why Abdul Carter didn't play the first quarter. It was just my decision not to play him. This is the second time in three weeks.

Yes, sir.

Ocho, you got drafted guy the third pick in the draft. Ain't no way you just make a decision to arbitrarily sit him out.

Well, obviously something happened. That was it was discipline, this discipline reasons. We don't know exactly what it was.

Ocho, he got disciplined a couple of weeks ago. What's not resonating to him? I don't know, I don't know.

I don't know, you know, young players.

Remember, he fell asleep and missed the walkthrough.

Yeah.

Oh, you know, hey, things happen, yada, yada, yada, it ain't gonna happen again, lesson learned,

boom, boom, boom.

Right. Here we are, basically two, three, inside of a month. Yeah. And we got this again, Ocho. What is it that he's not getting? Bro, this is professional football. You're not at Penn State. You're not at Penn State.

And you can get away with that at Penn State because you were the guy. There are greater expectations of you, Abdul Carter. Yeah.

Ocho.

Yes, sir. This man, think about it now. This man say, you know what, I want 56. Well, if I can't get 56, let me get the double hockey sticks. Let me get 11. Do he understand what those jerseys mean to the Giants? First of all, 56. You ain't gonna name, you can't name two,

first of all, I think LT is the greatest defensive player ever. I can make a case LT is the greatest defensive player ever. I can make a case LT is the greatest football player ever. Just give me a little time, I'll let you debate who you wanna debate. You can take Brady, you can take Payton,

you can take Jerry, and I can make a case that Lawrence Taylor is the greatest football player ever because he's the guy, he made two positions famous. No other player has made two positions famous. He made the edge rusher famous and he made the left tackle famous. Because if you couldn't get a left tackle to block him,

you couldn't beat the Giants. And if you couldn't find an edge rusher like LT to rush the quarterback, you couldn't put pressure on the quarterback. So he made two positions famous. Go back and start, like I said,

I know, look, LT, you know, the drugs and all that other stuff, and he had some stuff off the field after his career. But I don't think people realize, because there are a lot of guys that's won three defensive player of the years and stuff. People don't realize how good LT was. They don't.

They do not realize. I mean, whoever you think, the best foot, but the best defensive player that you've seen with your own eyes, if you're under the age of 40, whoever the best player is, make a case, and I'll make a case for LT,

and when I'm done, you're like, yeah, LT the best.

Yeah, yeah.

Whoever, and I think there have been some fabulous, I played in the era with LT, with Reggie, with Bruce, with Tyne, with Ray Lewis, with Mike Singletary, with Leslie O'Neal, Howie Long. I played in the league with some great ones.

Yes, but he different. He different. He set the bar, he set the standard for that position in general.

I tell you what, when you name your top five defensive players, he ain't never left off that list.

No, and most of the time he's number one. Most of the time he's one.

You're absolutely right. But man, look at Ocho, watching the Patriots and seeing how disciplined and how well coached they are.

Well, you know everything is easy when you have a quarterback too, huh?

Oh, yeah.

You understand that? When you have a quarterback too, huh? Oh, you understand that? When you have a quarterback like that, that with his decision-making is as good as it is? Man, goddamn. But listen, Josh McDaniels? I don't know what it is.

Like everything fits over there offensively. Not only do you have a quarterback, you have the pieces, the complimentary pieces that fit just right. You understand how to put each player in and in the right positions to play to their strengths

and hide their weaknesses if there are any. But every player has weaknesses.

You know that? Every player does. Yes, and you play to a player's strength and you stay away from his weaknesses as much as you possibly can.

Yeah, and Josh has mastered that and Drake May is having a effing ball doing so. Them boys 11 and two, man. Drake had it his sophomore year, right?

Yes. They won 10 games. After losing the previous year, They lost 13 only the 99 coats Because when Peyton got there they lost all those games in the next year they were the number one seed in the AFC Yeah, that's crazy. That's crazy. Yeah But when you have that guy

When you have that guy when you have that one foundational piece. Hell, I can build anything on a solid foundation.

But that's all it is. That's all it take.

Ocho, I bet Hard Knocks wishing they were following the Cleveland Browns around this year. Now, is Dylan Gabriel's significant other jumping into the drama?

Whoa, what happened?

He posted a TikTok saying, my fiance Dylan is not playing. I have thoughts about that, but I'm not gonna share it. She then captioned another with, Brown's loss, what's new?

But then, this is when he got into a disagreement with a commenter on a post and wrote, actually, everyone in the building wants him to play, but you wouldn't know because you've never been in the NFL or coach, right?

Well, you know, you I mean, listen, we see this all the time. We see family members, family members display their frustrations, whatever they may be, really not understanding how the game works, you know, the ins and outs of it. And you know, she wants her fiance to be on the field,

you know, he's and outs of it. And you know, she wants her fiance to be on the field, you know, he's not on the field. Shadur has been chosen to be the quarterback.

He knows everybody in the building wants him to play.

I mean, um, they don't they've been on the news for how long?

I'm asking you. How does she know that unless somebody pillow talking? Oh, come on, man. I'll tell you what. Let Charles, let's when you was in Cincinnati. Yeah. Let Johnson say, man, my brother ain't getting the ball. They

need to throw the ball to my ball or trade it. Right. What you tell me what you think the people in Cincinnati and what the Bengals organization gonna think. Where did that come

from? Oh, that that that that I said something. What you mean

I said something? You know that came from you. Even if it didn't, that's what they're going to believe. That's why I always tell family, friends, and loved ones, be mindful of what you say, because whether they said it or not, it's going back to them.

I mean, that's his wife. You know they have those conversations? I'm sure he does. Of course I want want to play. Of course, I want to start, you know, you go home and who's the one who's the one person you have peace and get vent to when it comes to would you oh, honey, how was your day at work?

Well shit.

I ain't starting.

Mm-hmm.

Those are conversations that I had between a couple a husband and wife I say, you know, I mean, that's normal. And she's venting and her frustration is about, oh damn, here we go, what's new? We done lost again.

But you have to be careful now, Ocho, because back then there was no social media that your significant other could go to.

Ah.

Now, there's this platform called social media that they can go to and disseminate information all across the world, and instantaneous. So even if you were to send and then hit delete,

it's gone.

Oh, it's too late.

It's gone.

It's too late. Once you hit send, it's a wrap.

Man, Lord have mercy. Yeah. I just wish people understood that it put Dylan in a bad spot. Right. Because I don't believe, see, when she said the locker,

when she, hold on, what did she say? Uh, actually the building. When she said the building, I don't think, I think it's from locker room up. I don't think it's the locker room down. I don't think it's the locker room.

I think it's from above the locker room up. The building, I think that's the executive. I think that's the front office. Hold on. We already know that though.

We already know that based on the words versus based on things that have been said, you know, you know that part but down down below where it really matters the meat and potatoes of the

team.

You I don't need this. I don't need to say no more because I can't throw anybody else under the bus. You know, like I slipped up long time ago. I don't wanna do that again, but that's what they want.

Just be, yeah.

That's what they want, inside that building. The people that's going to war. And I'm not telling you what I heard, I'm telling you what I know.

What I don't understand is that people need to understand you're not the center of attention. If you weren't dating Dillon Gabriel, how many people you think would know who she is? That's what anybody, unless you're Taylor Swift. Now Taylor Swift is a different animal.

Everybody know who she is, even if she does not date in trail. Right. But when you look at it, Ciara and Russ, okay, that's a different dynamic. Right. But when we're talking about somebody that doesn't have that name or brand recognition, that you only know, oh, that's Dillon Gabriel's fiancee.

Right. Oh, that's Ocho's wife. Man, that's O a that's all chose wife. Man. That's all chose significant other.

So anything to get said out of her mouth

that at Coral that relates back to football, right? Oh Joe talking ass.

That's how it is.

I'm sorry.

Yeah, just like stuff at work with stuff. Come back to work. Oh, I told you that I told you that. I've seen situations get messy. Yeah, something got said in the locker room. Somebody went back and told a wife a girlfriend. Now and it got it and it got all over the place. All over the place. Damn. And you know where it came from? Because we talked about it in the locker room.

Locker room, yeah.

It ain't none of them wives, girlfriends, significant others, fiancés or whatever they want to be within the locker room to hear it. So one of you mofos said it.

Run of your mind.

And in that group, it ain't but a small group. It ain't like we talking aloud across the room. We're talking in a small group, four or five.

Or we on the practice field.

It's easy to pinpoint who said something.

Absolutely. Absolutely. I always ask somebody, hey man, Sean, let me tell you something. I be like, okay, who else you told? Man, I ain't told nobody.

Because I don't want you to tell somebody else and then they get out and then you tell me about Sean. I ain't tell nobody but Sean for your damn life. Because if you already told somebody else, don't tell me.

Yeah, hold on, hold on.

Yeah, Chad, it's Chad. It's just a but it's just a bad spot to put your significant other in in the locker room because I'm telling you how I have how athletes think be it football basketball baseball when something gets out and if team related, they like what she must have heard him say that he's saying that even if it's

not true. She could have just been going out on a whim on her own and saying how she feels Dylan might not have said anything but they still gonna attach it. It's just like anything else. If somebody had does something the first part the first place

they go.

Yeah. Yeah.

Hey, you see that?

Yes sir.

First of all, why you got my jersey Ocho?

Why you got my jersey? Hey, listen. Hey, when I, hey, let me tell you something. When I, when I, hold on, let me tell you how I got the jersey. Hold on. Hey, see when you was when I ate, let me tell you something. When I went out, hold on, let me tell you how I got the jersey. Hey, see, when you was out of town, right, when you were traveling,

you were doing an alcohol. Hey, listen, you were doing an alcohol signage and I had to break in your house. Right. And I had to steal my trophies. So I snatched one of these jerseys up off of you. That's one of these jerseys too. How about we make a trade? Huh? How about we make a trade? Nah, don't worry about it. I'm gonna keep this. I'm gonna keep this. I'm gonna keep this for the rest of my trophies. Hey, this the real deal too. Look, look at the sleeves. Oh yeah.

Oh, yo, I got the whole man to weigh. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I like that. I tell you what, when you send the rest of my awards, I got you. Yeah, yeah, I appreciate this. Hey, it's heavy. It's stitched up to this. This the real deal, boy.

Oh yeah.

Hold on, hold on.

You see what that look? Yeah.

Hey, we look about the same.

See the guns?

Yes, sir.

Yeah, I appreciate that. I just Chad is kind of like Ochoa, is somebody in jail and they escape. What's the word?

The first part, the first place they go is where?

They mama, they girl.

My hand got no, he gotta be going there.

Mama and they girl.

Hey, think about, think about.

So when somebody's saying something and it has to do with the locker room, the first, even if, even if, like I said, Ocho, even if that's her, even if those are her own thoughts and she, I like to believe she's smart enough and she can have her own thoughts. Right. But that's not what people are going to believe.

No, not at all. And I don't think she's thinking about it that way anyway. She was just more so expressing her feelings based on how she feels about wanting her husband or husband to be,

you know, to actually be out there actually playing. So, but she knows she know better now because she's gonna get the backlash and then it's gonna fall on Dylan Gabriel and he gonna get pissed. What are you doing? You can't be doing that. They're both new to this.

They're both new to this and she will understand. You gotta be careful before you hit sin, you got to think because once you hit it, it's there for life.

And guess what else Ocho? Guess who gonna get asked about this? You think they're gonna ask 12 about this? Yeah. You think they're gonna ask Stefanski about this?

Of course.

Unnecessary.

Something that they don't really have, shouldn't, look, they should be like, okay, what do you guys need to do to get a win? What do you guys need, blah, blah, blah. Right. I got now I've got to ask answer questions about something. Some a lady that ain't a ain't never a never only be going to the game to see Dylan.

Yeah.

Now, I got to ask the questions about what she said that ain't got nothing to do. That's going to help us win a football game. Ocho nothing whatsoever.

Yeah.

Hey, it just adds to the circus. As unnecessary unnecessary fuel to the circus. Adds unnecessary fuel to the fire.

So I just like, Chad, I would just recommend anybody, young ladies, if you dating a guy in college or high school and you guys might be together, just keep that in mind. Everything you say that's related to football

is gonna be tied back to him. And you might have your, you might be like, you might be your own person. You have your own thoughts, you have your own mind, and I get to talk, I can speak freely.

But they're gonna tie it back to him. And that's not fair to him. And you don't wanna put that kind of stress, you don't wanna put that kind of pressure, and you don't wanna shine that kind of light on him. So just be mindful of that, that your actions gonna reflect back on him.

It's gonna tie back to him. Just like if you do something out, oh man, man, man, you heard what happened to Ocho girl? Man, you heard, man, man, man, they say sharp girl was acting a fool in the mall.

Yeah.

It's different when you date a celeb, entertainer, actor, actress, it's a different set of rules. Yes. And you have to move differently.

You gotta abide by it.

Oh, I move how, you can't do that, because now you can't just think about you. You have to think about that other person and the possible jeopardy or perils you might put them in. And I don't think enough people do that.

No.

But you should. I mean, the really ones, Ochoa, you ain't never seen Peyton Manning, or heard her say anything, have you?

No. anything have you know, see that that's a that's that's a different type of understanding.

I had no idea that you walked into me. She's right. You don't know who I am. I say I sure don't she said I'm Ashley man. I say you pay how you doing?

Yeah,

had a great there's I mean so many people that you wouldn't even know that's their why because they like a

stay in the shadows. Do what I do. I understand. Well, some understand they have to play the background. Some understand they have to play the background and they're not the main character. I understand. I'm not the main character and I know my place and I know my role. There are a lot like that.

Then there are some that want to be front and center.

Okay.

That's my man. but I need to be I need to be front and center right along with him. It's different. Every everybody different. It is also depends on who you're dating.

Yes.

Some people date you just because they want to be front and center.

Yeah, and quarterbacks. First of all quarterbacks bars a different level.

Yes,

you basically dating the CEO.

Yes,

you date the CEO the guy. So you definitely, you definitely have to be willing to take a backseat. You gotta be like, like Savannah James.

Oh yeah.

Oh yeah.

She ain't gonna, hey, she gonna do a little podcast, she got a little, whatever she got going on. Look, they try to beat up on Ayesha Curry, but I understand what she said. I understand what she said. I understand what she said. But, man, I just hate it. I just, you know, understand.

They're young though, Ocho. Some things, you know, sometimes you have to make a mistake before you understand the gravity of what you're in. And then you get a true understanding of what you're dealing with. So, hopefully she learned that.

Just keep that to yourself. Okay, the building wants him to play. And for when that time comes, he gets an opportunity to get back in there. He plays well, he's able to hold down a spot. But don't you go on social media and act up.

Oh Joe, Shadur Sanders says he's working hard to build trust with Jerry Judy. Shadur says it's going to take some time. That chemistry with guys like Jerry. I'm more of a trust person. So we have to spend some time on the task.

Hmm.

It's just it's just and I told you any time you any time you start doing this right here.

Yeah.

I mean, listen, I'll get the disconnect, you know, it's a disconnect. Once that Wi-Fi get on point, it's gonna be alright. You gotta understand these two ain't work together, huh?

Right.

Chemistry is very important. I think people, those that have played the game at any level, you understand? It's one thing when you get to the NFL, right? You have to be able to, you have to work with your receivers. You gotta work with receivers because

just because you have a ball in your hand, you have a guy out there running routes doesn't mean you have an instant connection. True. There's certain little nuances that you have to have certain rhythms and timing that you have to know that over a course of a training camp over a course of the offseason that you get to know your receivers. I mean it in the right now. I understand their

frustrations. They're not winning. Judy wants to get the ball. Judy want to be productive in that right now. I understand their frustrations. They're not winning

Judy wants to get the ball Judy want to be productive in that offense and things aren't going the way he'd like right now

But the problem that people are gonna have is that first of all should do or the is a rookie quarterback Yeah, only in only his second start like you say it, but What about the previous eight games when Dylan Gabriel was in there and Joe Flacco's in there? So how many times did we see that kind of attitude on the sideline? Because I'm sure Dylan Gabriel sailed a bunch of them, he killed a bunch of worms,

and he knocked a couple of birds out of the sky. And we didn't see this. So people are like, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, Jew. The man just got in, this is only his second game starting. He's a rookie quarterback. If he was a second year, third year guy,

and y'all still not on the same page, I would get it. But in this scenario, it's hard to get people to be on your side, considering, if I'm not mistaken, he lead the league in drops. And you had a 35 yard completion

that you let the guy come from behind you and knock the ball out.

Yeah.

So that's what people see. Now, last year he had an unbelievable season. Jameis did a great job of throwing him the ball.

A crazy work last year.

Yes, but you have to, but Ocho, now we can't take one season and forget about the year that was in Denver before and what's going on right now. We're not gonna do that. I just want, I want Jerry to understand

that this is a rookie quarterback and only his second start. How about, I mean, maybe y'all spend some extra time

working. After practice, Wednesday, Thursdays, Friday, stay out a little bit longer. You know, listen, hell, me and Uncle, I'm sorry, me and Uncle, me and Carson used to do that.

And I'm not talking about when he first got there. From when he first got there, third year, fourth year, fifth year, we got in that extra timing just to know, boy, we could have a goddamn blindfold on. He can throw that ball and know exactly where I'm going to be at.

Right.

Every time, on rhythm, regardless of the rush, regardless of whoever's in front of me, regardless of a defense. So when we were out there, it was like it was damn near 7-on-7. Like that's how sharp and on point and precise we were. It was like, it was damn near like 7-on-7.

But it takes time to build that type of relationship. You just don't go in like, okay, yeah, we got it. No. You just don't go in like, okay, yeah, we got it. No, it doesn't happen like that. You've got to put time in. Y'all need to sit in a meeting room. Okay, tell me what you're thinking on this route.

Tell me what you're thinking on this play right here. That's how I was with John. I'm like, okay, tell me what you're thinking. Well, if the guy's playing you like this, expect it on the top. Oh, Joe. Yeah, he said I'm a back show to you. So just know

that the ball is going to come and you're going to have to open your hips and catch it on your back shoulder.

And you know, what's funny is that I'm like that. We talked about this too. And I'm going to talk about the weight the and the type of receiver he is, is they're having problems. They're having problems and issues offensively over there in Cleveland. But I've always seen Jerry Judy as not a problem, but a solution to the problem, especially with the skillset that he has as a receiver,

regardless of the drops, regardless of the issues he's may have had, understanding what he can do when it comes to putting people in the goddamn blender, being able to define the mismatches for him offensively, knowing that he can beat whoever is out there at DB.

He can beat, let me say this again, he can beat whoever there is out there at DB. He's a mismatch for damn near anybody unless we talk about, you know, one of the top two better DBs in the NFL. His route run is tremendous. His ability to separate is tremendous.

So I don't even understand where the issues are coming from, you know, especially seeing them with the animations and theatrics on the sideline.

Yes.

Yeah, let's goddamn easy. You know, the fact that he's one of those few players, it's only a handful of them. You know, I don't got to worry about you here. I need you to just get open. Just do that for me. Just get open. Oh, Joe, you look at Judy as a number one. Yeah. Yeah. Not even close. You don't think so? No, sir. Hey, um, you, you listen, can I say something real quick? Yes. I know. So I know some of maybe people in the chat or maybe you might not be fond of him, but

what I got? I like him. I thought he I thought he should have been. I said when they came out, he came out that draft with CD with Jetta with rugs. I said he should have been the number one receiver. Take it. Yeah. So I and I was

happy that he went, but don't you? Hey, simply this, simply this, being able to get open, beat man to man and create separation, that's all I need. Because the ones that are number twos can't do that consistently. The people that are number twos cannot do that consistently.

Those all receivers that are number one receivers, my officer coordinator doesn't have to hide me. It's third down, we need you to get open man to man. I don't give a fuck. Oh, I almost curse I don't care what it is. Get open Jerry Judy can do that He can do that. I'm just saying you can name 20 receivers 25 receivers better than nothing

I mean he is number one on that team because you got that look if you're talking about a number one because

he has to be a number one on that team, but you go 25 deep receivers before you take him.

So we are we based thing off skill set. He based off numbers. What we talking about?

His skills are not conducive. Look at his numbers in Denver. Look at his numbers. Now, you have one just said are you talking about his skill set?

Oh, we talking about numbers?

Well, everybody's a number one if you just look at skill set, because everybody can get open. I can stack up a bunch of them.

No, they can't.

Yes, they can. No, I'm not... Look, let me take that back. Everybody can't get open. But how many... Right now, and you start taking receivers, how long before Judy gets selected?

No, you're throwing in different scenarios that I'm not talking about.

I'm talking about, I'm saying.

Ocho, he's a two, he's a solid two. A solid two, he's not a one receiver.

What is, what is.

Let me ask you a question.

Hold on, what is your criteria? I me ask you what is your criteria?

What's your criteria for being a number one receiver? I'm curious. They build a game plan to stop you Are they building game plans to stop Jerry Judy? You know damn well, they're not building no game plan They built a game plan to stop Ocho Cinco. They built game plans to stop Shannon Sharp. He is not a number one because you know why?

Chad, if he was the number one, Ocho would have said,

hell yeah!

No, I'm, wait, hold on. Are the defensive building game plans to stop him? Yes or no? Hold on, so let's go. We got 32 NFL teams, right? I Know you can't do that. No, let me finish you got 32 NFL teams

So every time every team plays it has no more receiver. The defense is game plan to stop day number one

Absolutely not when we come when we come absolutely not Oh when we come in on Wednesday is he? Circled as a D I got it. We got to stop if we don't stop him. That's what a number one is. I'm not saying that every week he's going to get that but we got to focus on him.

We don't stop him. We can't it's gonna be hard for us to be it's only five receiving the NFL that teams have to do that to Ocho only final number one and you it's a lot. I get he's from Miami. It's only five. Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson, AJ Brown, CD Lamb, Pickens, it's only a few receivers. Nico Collins is a number one.

Tyreek Hill is a number one. Brian Thomas Jr. is a number one. The guy, the Giants is a number one. Pickens, CD is a number one pick and CD is a number one Terry McLaurin is a number one the guys that they got two guys It's a drink London is a number one Stop this notion to ultra ultra don't do that

You just throwing anybody name idea top cone. Are they number one? Yes or no? Who are they number ones? Yes or no? Yeah you oh, so hold on So when you play the Atlanta Falcons the focal point is stopping Drake London is Drake London I'm asking is that what you're telling me? Yeah, he's their best receiver

Okay, you got a best receiver. Okay JSN JSN is not a no. Okay now now now we talking Now we talking now we talking now we talking. No, no, no, he not a number one. Now we talking. Now we talking. Now we talking.

Now we talking.

I like that.

Now we talking.

Come on, Ocho.

Nah.

Jameson, let me ask you a question. I'm basing it off what you're able to do. I need skill set.

How do we know with O. He's had one year. So what about those years that he didn't do nothing? What did so all of a sudden so he just acquired this skill set last year the previous three years. He lost it and he's lost it now, but he had it last year.

Now,

I tell you what you take Jared Jared Judy or Devontae Smith? You take Jared Judy or Jalen Waddle? I'm just asking. Those are guys that play too. So would you take Jared Judy or would you take Devontae Smith? Would you take Jared Judy or Jaylen Waddle? Would you take him or you take Pierce? Would you take Pierce in Indy

or would you take Michael Pittman Jr. over Judy? Which one you taking? I'm giving you every chance to take Judy.

So listen, you hear everything, all the comparison and the teams and how you doing, and how you doing that, right? You see what you're doing? You talk about players that are all on competent offenses that get balls with quarterbacks.

You see what you're doing? Are you trying, no, no, no, you're trying to compare the goddamn shit circus he got to fucking deal with in Cleveland and you're naming the Dolphins? You naming Daniel Jones over there throwing the ball looking like goddamn Tom Brady reincarnated like come on, man

What about Malik neighbors? How was he? What was the jazz last year? Oh you a he would gangsta

He would gangster

and you know, you mean that that rummage fail that they had up at the Giants last year that he had a hundred and some catches.

Yeah, they yeah, they do a they threw that thing

to him like crazy.

I'm just I'm just

this is this is this is a great this is this is a great comp. I like this, I'm just, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I in totally different offenses with good quarterbacks and great offensive systems.

it's almost unfair to have that conversation in comparison.

But let's move on.

Hey, 90% of the chat can't cover me.

90% no matter of fact, hold on,

Maybe 15 years ago. You had a very compelling argument. Now, Jerry, Jerry, Judy leaves the NFL and dropped and drop percentage was qualified on target passing dropped by receiver. Judy has dropped almost 19%, 6% higher than any other receiver.

Man, Ocho. Hey, man, Ocho done been a hell of an attorney, y'all. Ocho done damn well y'all guilty. Ocho done hit, whatever it is, the weapon, Ocho done gave it to the lawyer. Ocho was mad, look at my client, he do this.

Hey, you got me hot, man, talking about the jacket. Hey, you got me hot talking about this jacket covering me,

man, I'm hot.

Ocho, hours after the Eagles lost to the Bears on Friday, Philly O.C. Kevin Petula was a victim of a house getting egg. Petula has been heavily criticized this season for the underperformance of the Eagles offense. The team ranks at the bottom third of nearly every offensive category. Ocho, consider how much egg costs.

Man, that damn near like, what, $8, $9 a dozen.

Hey, listen, they told me we were in a financial crisis. They told me the economy was bad. And we got people out here wasting eggs to egg somebody's house. Listen, I love the Philly fans. Philly fans are very passionate. A very passionate fan base.

They travel well. They support their team through thick and thin. They ain't really had too much thin. But goddamn, this is the same fan base that threw snowballs at Santa Claus years ago. I hear that story all the time.

So, something… He deserved it. He didn't bring no gifts.

So, something like this doesn't surprise me, being how serious they are about their football team. They won the Super Bowl last year. Things haven't been the same. The offense doesn't look the same. So, who is to blame?

Whose name keeps coming up over and over and over? Listen, that they're going a little too far. They're going a little too far. They need to have 24-hour security at Kevin Patulo's house so he doesn't have this issue anymore. They don't do the players like that.

I mean, I mean, I'm damn.

I'm very for look. I get it. I get that, you know fans get upset. They want to win. I mean, they're so passionate, you know fan is short for fanatic. And when you fanatic about something you sometimes, you know, you go over

the edge and you get fanatical. Yeah about it. Yeah. That's not to excuse because I don't want you. I don't want you guys to take this the wrong way to say it's because they're upset. They have a right to be upset boo. All that you want to. Yes,

don't don't damage demand property. Yeah. Come on. That's too far. That's too far damage demands property. That's what I'm saying. Look, they need to get this thing fixed. It was a lot easier for Jalen Hurst to play quarterback last year

because Ochoa, he was throwing the wide open windows. Because it was single coverage, because we gotta get this eighth guy down to stop Saquon. Gotta stop Saquon. Look, he's not the greatest thrower of the football, and that's not a knock.

There are a lot of guys that's been able to make in the league without being great throws of the football. Everybody look, everybody will be Aaron Rodgers. Everybody go. Everybody gonna be a Patrick Mahomes and some of these great throws of the football. Some people are going

to have to win games a different way, right? It's so, you know, we I think the thing is with Jalen is that we look at him in this.

It's not as aesthetically pleasing to the eye.

Is he as great a throw in the football is that no,

absolutely not. You might say that what he wants to. Okay. If that's your only measure lot of players that have won Super Bowls.

That's not as good as some of the players that haven't. Right.

But they need to figure this out and what's going on. They're going to have to trust Jalen. Jalen's going to have to trust them. And he's going to have to take some risks.

Mm-hmm.

He just is.

Yeah.

Listen, I-

Because I just don't see a scenario. Da ocho where this running game this running game ain't even close to what it was last.

No, absolutely not. And the fact that it hasn't got going this late into the season is probably not going to show up and probably not going to show. I mean, I mean this this far into the season, but one thing I do know is I wouldn't count Jalen out, honestly. Regardless of whether we could run the ball, regardless of how people feel about him being

able to throw the ball, I think they all have a winning mentality. And that quarterback, he has the worst, the worst when it comes to just his football. Football only, he don't smile. He don't make no jokes. He's locked in and he's been locked in since they win that Super Bowl. So if they're going to win, I think I'm gonna have to be on the shoulders of him

and on the arm of that quarterback. And I think having AJ Brown having the birthday Smith, I feel they're going to be okay. Kevin to pull it. I mean, Mr. DiPulo, he's still gonna be calling the plays.

He's still gonna be calling the plays. So it's gonna, the onus in winning those games, since you can't run, it's gonna have to come from Jalen.

I think the thing is, for me, Ocho, I'm gonna see if he's gonna be the offensive coordinator next year, because I remember when they went through that lull, and he said he believed in him, that quarter, he wasn't the coordinator the following year. And that's when they brought Kellen Moore in, and Kellen Moore, they got called to play,

they went to the Super Bowl and they won it. So we'll see. I mean, everybody says, oh yeah, we win as a team, we lose as a team, but we'll see how much are you willing to take losing as a team before you make changes.

Right.

Because we'll see.

Listen, they're going to make them, but you know the coaches, you know, Saryana is going to say all the right stuff publicly. He's going to say all the right stuff. They do everything that's always politically correct when they speak.

But he knows their issues because job, you know jobs jobs. All right steak I know you just coming off a Super Bowl win last year, but I mean hell me what's going on This year is unacceptable, you know by their standards by not just the team standards not the organization Hell by the fan standards as well. That's why they egging the goddamn coach house We not finna we not man. What's up? Now you got you better get it we better get it together, dickhead.

Better figure it out. Yeah, it's tough, because when you win the Super Bowl, that's the expectation. And people think Super Bowls are easy. People think you just, oh, once you win it, you just keep winning and winning and winning and winning.

No, people don't realize, when Tom, when Tom, okay, they won in 01, they missed the playoffs in 02, and then they won three and four. They didn't win in five, they didn't win in six, they got back in seven, they didn't get back in eight, they got back in 10, then they missed 11, 12, 13,

they got back in four. It's, bro, it's hard. It's hard to repeat. That's why they have only been a handful. They've been what 59 Super Bowl winners. Only a handful of those are repeated.

It's hard.

It's not something that's easy to do. Because you have so much turnover. As far as like you get your friends, you can only sign a few. And then people come steal all some of your best players that you can't resign.

Some of your best players that you can't resign some of your best coaches. They get other jobs. Ocho, they go to college. They get the jobs in the NFL and then you are this is the biggest problem that you have. Yeah, you get guys wanting to do more with what they did last time

was enough. So everybody wants to be the reason why, so now I need to do more. Ocho, you called 85 paws last year, man, I need to catch 100 now. No, 85 was plenty.

Yeah.

Yeah. I think the thing is like.

Hey, we in week 14, right?

Yes.

God damn, Unc.

Boy, the season almost over, what?

It is, it is. It is two months.

Do you think they got a chance to turn it around or what you

think?

If it ain't turned around now, at least at least show signs

of I think it's going to be a coming on Jalen. I don't think they're going to be able to run the football.

I don't

because the offensive line is it the same your centers banged up. You're right. Guard is not very good, your right tackle is not Lane Johnson. Right. Dickerson is injured, you know,

he had his knee operated on before the season, so he's basically out there on one leg, just gutting it up. They're not the same offensive line, they're not the same offensive team.

Yeah.

I got you Listen, listen, listen for Patu low sake. I hope things turn around You know, I think he needs to have 24-hour security outside his home From this point on I mean, it's it's unfortunate that it has come to this But I think he also needs to understand how serious the fans of Philly

take

Their football this ain't no joke. Oh the fans of Philly they their football. This ain't no joke. The fans of Philly, they beat up Santa Claus, man. They hit him with snowballs. Like, you know how serious that is?

Mm-hmm, I do.

We took, Santa? Man, the people in Philly don't play? Man, they do not play. There's a certain standard that you must live by. As a coach, as a player,

and we don't meet that goddamn standard, what happens?

You get egged.

You get snowballs.

I mean, no disrespect, you know, I'm not trying to be funny, I'm just saying. Like, Philly, man, I'm saying, they don't play. They travel well, they support, and they mean business.

A lot of the teams, current two-game skid, Eagles legend, Seth Joyner. Man, I should have called Seth. If I'd have known that, you would have, I would have called him. He came on tonight.

That's my guy, man. We had Seth, 98.

We had a great, you tell me about that

runoff program we had.

The running back?

Nah, Seth was a linebacker.

Oh.

He was on green bait in 97. We beat him when he was on green bait. Then he came to us and got a Super Bowl and Seth said, I'm out of here, bro. I'm done. A lot of the teams are current to game skid Eagles legend self. Jordan has some harsh criticism for AJ Brown throughout the season. AJ has consistently complained after

wins because he was unhappy with his lack of involvement over the last two games. He's had his best to statistical performance of the season and we didn't hear any complaints out of him. Losses Jonah took it to issue with that a lot of people are going to be pissed at me and they might be even pissed

At me but a lot of ways. He's a typical receiver 21st century wide receiver diva He's selfish because he's getting the ball on a regular basis and there's no complaining The Eagles lost two games in a row and AJ Brown had nine plus targets and a touchdown You ain't complaining now that tells me that's all that bitch in the morning was really about was really self-centered.

Well, you got that right the fuck. What are you talking about? God damn set. Yes. All receivers want the ball. That's the whole point. We talk about everybody. Everybody's selfish of at some point in the game of football. Yes, it's the team sport. Yes. We won want to win, but also we need to be productive.

We want to be productive. He didn't sign up to, if he wanted to run track, he would have ran track. If he wanted to run up and down the field and not do anything and not be productive, he would have ran track. He wants to be productive. He makes $33 dollars a year. He wants the ball to coincide with the

money that he's making. Yes, winning is a team accomplishment. It's not just on AJ Brown. It's not just on Saquon Barkley. It's just not on Jalen Hurts. It's a team effort, collectively as a group. When everybody does everything right in unison, you get a W. I mean, what are we talking about here? He he he he he.

It's tough.

Very.

Because a part of me understands what he's going through. Yeah. And a part of me like, man, let's tough.

Very. Because a part of me understands what he's going through. Yeah. And a part of me like, man, look, I wanted the ball too, but I understood at the end of the day, it's just hard. It's just hard.

And fans are going to look like, bro, we winning. Man, we winning. We winning. Just shut up. If we weren't winning and you're not getting the ball. I'm gonna be on your side. I'm gonna have a I'm gonna have a better throw

to AJ, but when you're winning and I get the he told he promised the owner that he wasn't gonna speak out anymore. So he wasn't gonna do say anything after games or he wasn't gonna put anything on social media. So that's probably that might be a reason why he's not saying anything because he promised Jeffrey Lurie

that he wasn't going to say anything. It's just tough that when you win, to complain because I thought the ultimate goal was to win and I get his point that look, I'm a number one receiver, you paid me money,

you traded for me to come here. Okay, treat me like that and throw me the ball. that look, I'm a number one receiver, you paid me money, you traded for me to come here, okay, treat me like that and throw me the ball.

I got a question.

Yes.

You know, the Eagles defense gave up, you know how many yards last week?

I do.

Yeah, a whole lot. Goddamn defense, one of the few games, one of the few games all year long, finally, that damn collapsed.

And then... And when we needed an offense to pick us up, what happened?

Yeah, they ain't show up, homie.

I keep telling people, I say, look, whatever your best unit is, they're gonna have an off Sunday or two. The question is, can the other unit that's not as strong, can you pick them up? There were a couple of games in the regular season in 2000,

our defense didn't look like the defense that we had no income and love. Offense had to pick it up. We picked it up against Jacksonville, we ended up winning 39, I think 39, 33, 39, 36, something like that.

And we ended up, it was a close game against the Jets, the last game of the season. But at times, it's those types of, those happen. For like you said, for the better part of three months, the defense had been sensational, has been stalwart. And the offense, okay, man, we ain't got it today.

Come on, AJ, come on, Saquon, come on, Jalen, come on, Devontae. So, it's hard for any unit to be up here. Get another example, the Super Bowl with Tom Brady.

They had been scoring all those points. They scored more points than anybody else in NFL history up until that point. And the one game they couldn't get that, what did they need the defense to do, Ocho? Lock them down.

We got the lead, just keep them out of the end zone.

Right.

We kick a field goal, we go to overtime, we might win the top, go to ice, go boom. Happens sometimes. Sometimes it happens that way, where the unit that's not as strong or hasn't been as statistically strong

during the regular season, we need them to come pull us through for a couple of games, don't you?

Right.

Happens sometimes. It's tough. It's really tough.

Does it get any easier for the Eagles? No.

No, they got Sunday night game against the, oh, they play the Chargers.

Oh my God. And the Chargers defense, hey, they played the Chargers. Oh my God.

And the Chargers defense, hey, Khalil Mack, the someone, I forget his name, 45. They can put pressure on your quarterback.

Hey, let me see, Derwin, we got a-

Derwin James, yeah.

They got Henley, they got Perryman.

Henley, nice.

Khalil Mack, they're collapsing the pocket, they can run. Now we're gonna see Justin Herbert had surgery today on that hand. They say he's day by day, they'll know more later in the week whether or not he's gonna play.

They got no, I don't know if they have a good chance they're gonna have a winning, if Trey Lance is their quarterback, but hey. Damn, man. You can't force your defense, because think about it, Ocho, how many plays that defense played on Thursday.

Oh, excuse me, Friday. Friday, they played Friday. They played Black Friday. So, hey guys, hey, hey, today we ain't got it. Y'all better be getting it, today we ain't got it. Y'all better be getting it, cause we ain't got it either.

But it's tough, it's tough, yeah, it's tough. Because when you the guy, you know, people don't look, but hey, how many balls you catch today? Man, I ain't catch but three. Damn, what happened to you?

Man, they ain't throw me the ball, what the hell you mean what happened to me?

So it's a

it's tough. It's tough.

Hey, you know, it's a few. It's a few teams, you know, in in in some issues and troubles with their seasons, you know, right now where it's looking dim is looking dark. The Chiefs is another one. They got to get it together.

Oh, they gotta wait out.

Or they gotta get it together.

Oh, Joe, I remember, look, let me tell you how it was. I remember when I first got to Undisputed, and they was like, man, Skip be doing all, man, Skip talk all the time. I said, I don't get paid by the word. I get paid by the time. I say I don't get paid by the word, I get paid by the day. Right.

So long as I show up, I'm gonna make the same money.

Right.

When I was at CBS, you know, we had all those people on the panel. You might get a, first of all, it's an hour show. You got a host and you got four other guys sitting up there. Yeah.

So by the time they get to you, Hey, sometimes I have like three minutes. All I know that direct deposit hit, I got paid by the date. So I ain't complaining about no talk time because they don't pay me by the word. They pay me by the word and I'm trying to get in, I'm talking over everybody. I ain't gonna hold you to that.

I'm talking over everybody. Let me get my quota in. Right. But I get it. I get, you know, part of me do empathize with AJ. He's like in his prime and you know, he knows, he's like, man, I know what y'all gonna do. Y'all ain't gonna look at last year,

y'all gonna look at this year cause y'all gonna say I got a year older, I'm getting closer to 30 and you know, when they get 30 is normally the cut off.

Yeah, you know how they play, you know how they play, you know how to play with you.

So AJ, I just say is just bro. Just go out there and just keep playing. Just keep fighting hard. Just keep playing. Just try to stay positive as you possibly can, you know, pick up hurts when you can. Yeah, hey, hey, hey, Philly fans, Philly fans,

come on, man, I love y'all, man, don't do the coach house like that, man, don't do his house like that, don't do it like that. And now watch, watch Patootie gonna go out there, man, Jalen gonna throw for about 500 yards, man.

Well, that right tackle better pick it up because Khaleel Mack ain't bull jibing. Oh, Joe, the biggest social media debate of the day stemmed from Odell Beckham Jr. talking about the struggles of a $100 million contract and how money doesn't last forever. He said, and I always explain to people like this,

like, bro, you give somebody five years a $100 million contract, right? What is it really? It's like five years, 60 million, you're getting taxed. Do the math, that's 12 million a year. You know, that you have to spend, you have to use, save, invest, flaunt.

I don't know, probably should've left that flaunt out there. But go ahead, this is O.J., this is the O.J. talking. Just be real. I'm giving my mom a house, everything costs money. So if you're spending four million a year, what is that really? That's 40 million over five years. That's eight million a year. That's a five year span and you're getting eight million.

Can you make it last forever? And you always hear people who ain't us and ain't been in that position like, oh well, that would last a lifetime. OBJ, I'm gonna be honest with you, bro. If you get $60 million liquid and that can't last you a lifetime,

you got a problem.

Hold on, wait, hold on, hold on. Before you go on, think about all the lottery winners, right?

Yes.

They all went broke.

Yes, because think about what-

All of them.

What did he say? He put something in there to end. He said, you spend, use, save, invest, flaunt.

Right.

Ocho.

Yeah.

Now, do you really need 10 houses?

Damn.

Do you really need 15 cars?

No.

Do you need to buy everybody in your house, everybody in your family? Imagine that costs a million, $2 million. Because here's the thing. Yes. First of all, if you buy somebody in your house,

your family house, a house that costs a million to $2 million, first of all, they can't afford to upkeep on it. Because if they could, they'd have it already. See, it ain't the payment, it's the upkeep. Right. It should go wrong.

So now, you buy somebody a Mercedes, you buy somebody a Ferrari, you bought somebody a high-end car.

God damn!

Now, you got, now, you says, okay, I bought you this. You got to get dog key. Right. Something happened to it. Tago Flam, who they calling Ocho?

You.

You.

So that's the thing, but.

Hey, I have a question. For better context for me, is he just speaking hypothetically? He's not talking about his personal situation.

Or he's just using an example.

He's saying, and I always explain to people like, bro, you give somebody five years, a hundred million dollars. What is that really? It's like five years, 60, you're getting taxed. Yes, that's 60 million dollars. Okay, you buy you a house.

Now you're not buying a house every year. I don't think.

No.

But here's the thing. Yes. Bro, bro say he's spending four million a year. If you spend it four million a year and it ain't a business related, you out your damn mind. Ain't no way in hell I'm spending four million a year.

Hey, that's a lot of money there, boy.

Hell yeah.

Four million?

Yes.

Hey, you know how- Let's just say, O, so you buy a house. Let's just say you buy a house, a house that costs $5 billion.

Yeah.

You three, 5% out. I don't know what your interest rate is. That's probably if you just play an interest only loan, you're probably playing on four to 4 million, somewhere between 20 and 25, $30,000 a month. That's on your place. That costs 45 million dollars, right?

Okay. That's on your place that costs $45 million. Okay, you buy mom a house. If I were to buy mom a house, I'm damn near gonna probably get her a house that I can go ahead and pay off. So I'm gonna spend a half a million dollars for mom because I gotta get her something

that she can clean for herself because I can't play for a cleaner because see, that's another expense, Ocho. You get a pool in the yard, Ocho, guess what? You gotta have it cleaned every week? Ocho, that's another expense on me. And you get a big ass house, somebody cut the grass, I don't need a lot, I need somebody to come with a pushing line and cut the grass.

That's another expense on me, Ocho.

I don't think players actually factor that stuff in when the money's coming in because it's coming in so fast and it comes in huge chunks. Everyone doesn't factor. Everyone doesn't have that financial savviness or that financial discipline to think long-term. That's one of the few things I was really good at. While I was playing, when huge chunks of money was coming in, I was thinking long-term.

But I also had the goddamn financial discipline to understand that flaunting and being flashy wasn't my identity. My name, just my name, the name, the brand itself was just as big as anything else I could purchase. You're not understanding, you're not hearing me. The name itself was just as big as anything else I could purchase

So I can go anywhere and say oh shit. That's a Ferrari With that same place that Ferrari go. Oh shit. They go. Oh Joe. Mm-hmm So it was no need for me to drive a motherfucking Ferrari because everybody know they already knew who I was You know what? Okay, you want to lease a Ferrari for a year to say, you know what? Yeah, it's OK. But I ain't finna get no Ferrari, didn't get a Lambo. But here's the thing, Ocho. Let me see what he didn't tell you, how it adds up.

Flying private.

Oh, yeah.

Hey, Uncle, go crazy.

Hold on, Uncle.

Now, you be flying private too?

Now, I didn't see you with your feet kicked up eating Popeye. You know? Yes. Now you see why I fly Spirit the past 20 years. Ocho, but I don't fly everywhere private. I don't go overseas private. You're talking about anywhere between 10 and 20,000 an hour. If you fly overseas, how long is it going to take you to get to London?

Come back.

How long is it going to take you to get to Madrid?

Wait, bring that back.

Bring that back around. Did you just hop an hour or the whole trip? An hour.

They gonna charge you about an hour to go overseas?

Yes! Oh heck!

So if you go overseas, guess what Ocho? You flying back, cross, so that might be a $400,000 trip. Just like that. Maybe a million. How far you going?

Oh man, okay, now here. Well hold on, time out man. If it cost that much, what all these people be doing on Instagrams where they always flying private? Them people ain't making that kind of money.

Floss it.

Hey see, listen, I don't know, I just know my method.

Elcho and, and kids. You pay child support. You mess around and get the wrong one and she charge you 20, you gotta pay, you in California. It's 20, 25, 30, 40, 50,000 a month. 50,000 a month times 12 times 18.

How much is that, Elcho? I ain't good at math, but it's- So if you're paying 600, so 50,000 a month times 12 times 18. How much is that Ocho?

I ain't good at math but it's eight.

So if you're paying 600, so 50,000, let's just say for the sake of argument, let's take a round even number cause everybody like round numbers. Yeah. Let's just say you paying 20,000 a month times 12.

That's 240,000 a year.

Okay.

Times 10. That's 2.4 million. Okay. Now we add eight more to that.

Uh-huh.

You see where it went to, Ocho?

Yeah, I don't like that.

So you about 3.6 million dollars, 3.8 million dollars. That's one child.

Ooh.

Now imagine, you got one, two, three, four. I do, I do. I got a lot of them. But the thing that you did that was in Florida. So you did it in California that Ricky crossed the cove.

But also, also, also I had kids from people that really wasn't on that because they understood. They understood it was about the child. So for those of you that have kids for me, I thank you. You know, I love you because we was on the same page and you weren't vindictive, you understood. I was always present. I appreciate y'all because the numbers you just ran off,

I never had to deal with nothing like that.

God damn.

Ocho, what if you got a main girl and we got a side chick and you want to keep that on the hush?

You got to get off.

Oh, you got to pay hush money. Hey.

I know you with me when I'm right. Hey, but hold on. You know the kind of money you gotta make to be able to have a woman on the side

and be able to keep it quiet and keep her happy?

Yes.

You got to make a lot of money. And it go fast, huh?

But, like I said, Ochoa, if you got a business, you running a business, business is cost. Because you have employees. Right. since you're running a business, business is cost, because you have employees. You gotta pay for insurance, and you gotta pay for all the overhead, and all that other stuff.

So I understand that. But if your yearly expenses, and you ain't got no business, and you spending four million, man you out your, look here,

you need to be Bezos. I need to be, for me to spend four million a year, I need to be making 50 million a year. 60 million a year. Not no $100 million contract. I need to be making LeBron James type money. 120 a year.

God damn.

You know you got full time security. You know you like LeBron, he got full time security for him in Savannah. Or these entertainers like Beyonce and Hov. Okay, you got a full-time security detail, that's a couple of million dollars a year.

Cause you got 24-hour security.

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,

you think, hey, when we get famous, famous, you think we gonna need security?

I'm not gonna need security. I don't, I don't, I'm not, I don't, for me, I hope, I can't say I'm not, but I hope I don't, cause I'm just, I don't really go anywhere.

Right. Now, hold on, hold on. We finna be hanging out though. Hanging out where? Me and you, like, like when we get famous, famous, boy, hey, people got to pay none. You could take, you know what? Just take it out my check, right?

Take it out my check. Just add me, add me, add you 1%. I got my, I got my arm. I got my arm, my concealed weapon lice. My concealed weapon lice.

I got one too, but I ain't trying,

Ocho, I know, I'll keep right here, right here, like this. Right here. Hey, hey, they won't play with you.

They won't play with you. Most security got two.

Huh?

They got an ankle holster and a side holster.

Oh yeah, I got a little 22, it'd be in my ankle.

I got a little 22, it'd be in my ankle. I got a little 22, it be in my boots. Nah, right now, Ocho, I'm like on a three year plan, about a two year plan, two year plan. I'ma be inside.

Nah, come on, don't start that now.

Hey, I'm like Pugsley Tarney Field.

I saw my shadow, I got to go back inside. Nah, don't do that, don't do that. Hey, listen, one thing about it, Tomorrow is not promised, so what you need to do is while you're here now, you need to live. You need to live.

I'm living, Ocho. Ocho, to be honest, Ocho, I've never been one of those guys that like to hang out. I've never been there.

I don't go nowhere either. I'm never outside.

You're always outside, Ocho.

Where?

Work? Everywhere. You talk about work,. I don't go nowhere. I don't go nowhere. I'm gonna go eat and I'm going back home.

That's where I wanna be. That's me. That's me. Now I will go to a jazz club. I go to the cigar bar and that's the extent of where I go. Now I might go listen to some live music. Now you know I love me some live music.

Yep, I do. I know that's me. That's up my alley, but we need God damn it. Hold on. Hold on. But that's, I mean, four million dollars a year, Chad. That's a, that's a lot of Chad. That's 400,000 a month. I don't think that's, Hey, I think he was just, I was, I think he was just giving me, he said everything calls. So if you're spending four million a year, but I'm saying Ocho, do you know, I mean, for you to spend four million a year,

you need to be making, you probably need to be making 50 million a year.

Yeah, that's why I think he wasn't talking about himself. I think he was just using that as an example of people on how they spend because, hey because that's egregious.

Yeah, oh yeah. That's cool. 60 million liquid?

Hey.

60 million, you got $60 million liquid. Ocho, let's just say if you just invest conservatively, Ocho, it's gonna pay you five to eight percent.

Yeah.

Five to eight percent gonna pay you 4 million a year. And you never lose the principle. So you can live off that.

Yeah, and you know what's funny? A lot of people that always say, oh, if I had that much money, if I had that much money, oh, I'd last forever. But the devil is a lie.

Because you get that kind of money, you will be a totally different person. You, you, you, if you don't, if you don't, if you don't, if you don't, Hey, if you don't have discipline with the little that you do have now, you're

right, you're right.

And you get that kind of money. You're right, man.

Listen, Hey, I, I, I thank my grandma. I thank my grandma, my grandfather. they're one of the few reasons why I was able to make so much and not live as if I was making millions. And it was easy because it wasn't my identity. It never became my identity or I didn't get caught in that image or I'm making millions so I have to look like it.

Now every so often, one, two, three, you know, one, two, maybe three times a year.

You treat yourself, you get yourself a watch. You get to play.

Yeah, you know, I'm sure.

Oh, hey people, you know, they love making fun of me, you know, but you know, it's listen man. Um, I'm going I'm going 30 years strong man. Still living the same lifestyle. I was well before I started playing still living the same lifestyle every day, you know, every blue moon, you know, I turn out you got to you got to

Guess what? You leave all that money here. They gonna spend it. They ain't gonna hold it like you do it Already nobody. Hey My kids might stop working and be right working in two years Good everybody gonna be gold. Could they oh, they don't they don't look at money like I do. But I'm very fortunate, like my sister. My sister like, hey. I was like, you know, I tried to get a new car,

she's like, nah, ain't nothing wrong with this one. She said, for what I do right around here, I'm good. I got my mom a car, got my brother a car a couple of years ago, got my son a car, my daughter a car a couple of years ago. Got my son a car, my daughter a car.

Yeah.

They good. Like I told him, Santa Claus got laid off. Damn.

No criminal did you. I'm gonna see you at 5900, don't worry about it. You gonna be good. You can get him a little Range Rover, little Range Rover 20, you know 25.

I mean, whoever need a car. No, no, no, no, they're good on cars. You sure? Yeah, my Range Rover, look, I got a, my Range Rover got 40,000 miles. Just got, this turned 40,000 miles. Right. It's 13 years old.

Hey, you need to treat yourself.

I did.

To what?

Uh.

I told you, when we take off I'm going on vacation.

Man, that's not treating yourself, man.

It is.

Hey, you know what you should do, hunk? What? You should get yourself a sports car.

Ocho, it's hard enough for me getting in and out with my hips like they are. I ain't getting no sports car.

No, I think, hey, I think, I think for my birthday, I think I'm gonna get a McLaren.

I mean, if you'd have called me last year, I'd have gotten me a McSharon. That's what I would have gotten me. But right now, Ocho, uh-uh, uh-uh. Right now, Ocho, your boy doing bad. Your boy doing bad.

Hey, O, let me tell you something. You ain't never doing bad. When you wake up and you open them eyes and you allowed the opportunity to see another day, you doing good, always. Man, come on, man.

God damn, now. I done paid this man $350 to fix this issue and it's still doing this shit.

Well, clearly he ain't fix it.

Well I need my money back.

But nah, it's tough. Like you said Ocho, when you get money and then you wanna help people, you wanna make sure your family's taken care of. But don't get crazy, reckless with it. My two homeboys, I always look out for them.

Because, and two homeboys, I always look out for them. Because, you know, and my homeboys, I know if their shoe was on the other foot and I called him, they'd come through the clutch. It's always been like me and my brother, it's always, it was never I got, we got. When we went to the NFL, hey bro, we made it.

When I went to the Hall of Fame, bro, we in the hall we may always be it's all it's only been three of us Yeah, we're very very close. Very very close and I Got they got yeah. Yeah, I got they got and that's what that's how it's always gonna be. Yeah But yeah, man four million dollars a year. You need to be making 50 bands a year to spend that kind of money. That's crazy. I mean, 400,000. Think about it.

That's 400,000 a month.

Right. And you know what I think about too, Ank, is Instagram and social media has everybody so fooled.

It does.

It does.

It has, Ocho.

It has.

They have no understanding of money and they really think people are really living these lifestyles like that. It's impossible. It's impossible to live the lifestyle that the people put up consistently day to day to day. Oh, you know what?

I can't even get it out. I can't even get it out because I understand how much it takes to be able to do some of the things that I'm seeing on Instagram. And I'm like, there ain't no fucking way.

You ain't gonna tell me nothing, I know.

There ain't no way, it's impossible. It's impossible. But I mean, and then the fact that it's everybody's identity, it's everybody's image, image is looking like I'm rich or looking like I'm got it. Like for what? I for what?

Because the people that I'm talking about the ones that really do until I really got it for real man. You wouldn't be able to tell yeah, you wouldn't be able to

tell.

Oh Joe, if you notice now more people like like Tom Brady, Tom is really big in the watches. Yeah, him and Jay-Z that that's the thing now LeBron, you see Harden, you see a lot of these guys, a lot of these guys in the El Pijor, the Pateks, or the AP, the Richard Mille. Yeah, I mean, they're in the Vacheron's, they're in the, I

mean, the watch is like, okay. Because, okay, Let's just say for the sake of argument, Ocho, you got that kind of money and you spend 25, 30, 40 million dollars for a house. And you got all the cars that you could possibly want. I mean, what? I mean, me, I don't want a house that big.

I mean, my house is probably too big as it is now, considering I'm in two rooms, the kitchen and the bedroom.

Yeah, but it may happen, how big that you got a palace over there like Joe?

No, hell no. But what you would like, 15,000 square feet? Man, please. Nah, about 75, 8,000.

God damn!

Oh!

Boy, you got 12.

Hey, boy, you over there hey, bro, you EM, bro.

Nah.

75, 8,000?

What's that, about a 12 bedroom?

Man.

You got a golf course? You got a golf course back there?

Nope. Okay. I used to live on a golf course when I was in Baltimore.

Ooh, bro, you big, hey.

Hey, you showing off tonight, hey, you showing off tonight boy. You showing off, staying on the golf course?

I ain't staying on no golf course.

I'm just saying, but you did, you said you did.

I did, I did, yeah.

Yeah, that's rich people, the royal family, they stay on the golf course.

But it wasn't that developed back then. Right. And so I got it at a good deal and then I sold it. The housing market was going right here. So I sold it for like 70,000. I mean, when I put in, I sold it for like 70,000

over what I was asking. But nah, like I said, I got this, I'm in two rooms. I mean, I got this entertainment room, you know, it's really nice. Man, I'm like, I got this entertainment room, you know, it's really nice man. I'm like Yeah That would require me to walk downstairs. Yeah, I remember the entertainment room cuz I had to pass by that I had

Yeah

Hotel to possibly the craziest story this week Frank Ragnar He came out of retirement to try to save the Lions only to fail his physical because he showed up with a grade three hamstring, hamstring strain. Let me say that again, a grade three hamstring strain.

Well, you know how bad that is?

It's torn out the bone. He gotta have surgery.

What the hell was he?

He walking around with his hamstring torn out the bone, Ocho.

What the hell was he doing while he was home?

I'm just trying to figure out how you not know your hamstring not torn.

Hey, it must not have bothered him. Well, hell, if he got a chance to-

No, it ain't gonna bother you if you're probably just walking, but just imagine when you start having to, and trying to move somebody, you gotta buckle down.

Well, hold on. If he got an opportunity to come somebody, you got to buckle down. Well, hold on. If he got an opportunity to come back, I mean, well, shoot, man. All right, all right. You know what? Enough is enough.

I'm gonna go to my laptop camera.

I'm serious.

Okay, Elgato.

All right, there we go. I'm going to the laptop. Hey, well, listen, if he got an opportunity to come back. But now, he just retired after last season. Well, I ain't even retired yet. I ain't put my papers in. You ain't got to it's been 15 years. You done. You never know when opportunity might present itself. It ain't gonna present. You never know. I might get I might get a call.

Yeah, from one of your kids. They dedicate you to me some

money.

Or Joe, the Vikings wave, Adam feeling today. One day after he was a healthy scratch in the team's 26. Nothing lost to the Seahawks. Yeah, he said in a statement posted on social media that he long ago decided that 2025 would be his final season and that he had hoped to find a new home to go compete elsewhere for the last few weeks of my career.

Hey,

he asked for his release because he would like to go to a contender and obviously wherever he goes, he wants to

be. He was on what? The Carolina Panthers,

you know what? He didn't even know it. He a I don't even think he knew it. I don't think I don't think he listened to the podcast. I don't think Adam Thielen heard me in August. I remember the exact date August 25th, 2025. I said it about 10 55 p.m.

I talked about how good the Carolina Panthers would be. I don't think he got the memo. Damn, now that I think about it. Well, yeah, you can, you can't go back there because everybody over there cooking. I mean, what team that's a contender this year?

Can you go to it? I don't know no team that's a contender looking for another receiver. Damn, that's a good one. I mean, they might, like I said, Ocho, I mean, we'd have to go, we'd have to look at the teams, I mean, that would be something that we'd have to look at like Ochoa, we just throw out a team,

the Broncos and the X, Y, and Z, the Patriots and this team and that Jacksonville, possibly Texans, maybe the Ravens, and go like, okay, who could use basically a fourth receiver?

Right. Damn, and the fact that even, the fact, it doesn't even sound right. Adam feeling being the fourth receiver. Like I just remember him and goddamn digs cooking. Not too long ago in Minnesota. I mean cutting up.

It's crazy. It's crazy. What age does to you man, or the business in general as you get older, the way the system just works you out.

Damn.

Ocho a Ross drew criticism over the weekend after admitting on a live stream that he uses the n-word when listening to music. He said I'm not going to lie to you guys. I'm not fake whenever I listen to rap music. There are times I say it but I'm not saying it on the stream. Like I have rap songs before saying the n-word. I'm not a hoo-ha and I'll tell you guys that. Then he double downs. I'm just saying, I'm pretty sure everyone effing says it.

Let's be real here. Look, I ain't in his home. What he says, I'm sure there are a lot of other people of the opposite race that says that word when they're rapping songs, I'm sure.

Yeah, well, absolutely.

And when you in your own home, now you might get fire slapped after you were on the street talking, you know, you rapping that, that might be a different story.

Hey, if we were a fly on the wall in some of the homes of people and hear some of the things that they said.

Yeah,

we'd be surprised. Well, I wouldn't be surprised, but I'm just saying people would be surprised. The fact that you have words where that word is used all the time and everybody wraps it.

But why did he feel the need to share that? Okay, you do that. That's in the privacy of your own home.

Why do you feel the need to share that? He's a content creator. That's the whole point of what they do. They create content. They create controversy. They create turmoil sharing everything that that's exactly we talking about it. That's that's that's their goal And he's one of the better streamers, if I'm not mistaken, you know, in the world.

But you know, they ain't got no problem saying those words that are offensive to black people, but there are some other words that's offensive to other people. They don't never utter those.

You notice that, Ocho?

Like what, like the N word?

Nah, like I said, but there's some other words in chat. Y'all know the words I'm talking about that. That's another community, but they never say that Why they don't wrap those? Why aren't they rap song that I know it's the same thing with my people Won't y'all wrap that up the other stuff

Mm-hmm

Hey, what's me? Hey, what's community talk about skittles?

Nah Cuz they'll say that too. They'll say something about the LBGTQ. They'll say something about that. They'll say something, but they in the chat know what I'm talking about.

Man, you got me lost too, but I only know about two communities.

Nah, this is the most powerful community in the world.

The Skittles community is the most powerful.

No, it's not. There's another country that has a white and blue flag with a star on it. No, it's not. It's not even close.

Oh, they own every damn thing.

Yeah. Well, I bet. Why don't he say something about derogatory about that? Why he don't wrap that? Oh, he want to create content.

You told me a content creator. Create some content. They own everything, boy. You hear me? Behind every, boy, if you was to peel back the layers, nevermind, I ain't, I'ma leave that alone.

That's all I'm saying. See, people don't have no problem saying that. But boy, that's neither here nor there. I'm just look, I let people, hey, do your thing. I don't know him, I'm not around him. Do you bro, do you?

Hey, honestly, little do you know, that's our competitor now.

Who?

Aiden Ross, Kai, DDG, because once we start filming our content out there going crazy, like we gonna outdo all them.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Chat, y'all better get ready. Tell you.

Yeah. Yeah.

I get, I get what you guys are saying saying say he's Jewish, but why don't he use that Jewish that derogatory term? I mean we speak to one another like that. Why don't he use that? Why don't we use that? That's all I'm saying. Everybody, look, no matter the community, there's a derogatory term that will describe said community.

It doesn't matter, the community, but there is a derogatory term. But it's funny how they pick and choose. It's always that word. Oh, it's just a word. So is that one, right? And so is that one. And so is that one. But I find it I find

it funny, but nobody ever uses it. Huh? Interesting. Also find it interesting. Nobody's ever put it in a song. They don't talk about it in the movies. They don't say none of that.

How many times they use it in Django?

Oh my goodness, but Django, boy. Django were crazy, boy. Every, every, every two, if I had a dollar for every time you heard it but Django boy, Django were crazy, right? Every every every two if I had a dollar for every time you heard it in Django.

I got no problem. I love Django. Jamie Foxx was sensational.

Yeah.

He was unbelievable. Leonardo DiCaprio was great. What was the guy named?

Christoph Waltz. Christoph Waltz. Christoph Waltz.

Unbelievable. He was greater than Glorious Bastards also. Yes. I ain't got to, hey.

Great movie. Great movie.

I remember, I'm gonna have to remember when Jesse Jackson was running for president. And he said something he called New York, he called it a derogatory term. Had to apologize. Michael Jackson used the term once upon a time.

Had to apologize.

Michael Jackson.

Let's move on, don't you? Let's move on, we don't need to spend no more time on that.

Oh yeah, I know, I know.

It's time for our final segment of the evening. It's time for Q and A. Hey, we getting off a little early.

You heard me?

Huh?

We getting off a little early.

Nah, we ain't getting off early. I have the, Kemper Norwood Jr. said, I have the Broncos going all the way to the Super Bowl, 10 years later and winning it. Kemper, they did win Super Bowl 50. This is Super Bowl 60. later and winning it. Kemper, they did win Super Bowl 50, this is Super Bowl 60.

You're gonna have to, offense is gonna have to become a little bit more consistent. No, not a little bit, a lot more consistent. I think the defense had an off game, but the offense is gonna have to be way more consistent than what they've been.

They have the fifth most punts. Think about it, Ocho. They're 10 and two. With the fifth most punts.

Punts, yeah. Only Cleveland.

Think about it, only Cleveland.

Hold on.

Cleveland. And now Philly. I think the Raiders, the Titans, and now the Broncos.

Yeah, and don't quote me. Don't quote me. I might be wrong, I might be right, but I think Bo Nicks has only thrown for 300 yard games twice this season. Only two 300 yard games, if I'm not mistaken.

That guy's- I am because, how about them Patriots? I'm stamping it now, we winning now. On the road to the Super Bowl, comes through New England. I don't know your schedule off the top of my head, I'm because, but y'all look good.

Y'all look really, really good. I'm not gonna lie, bro, offensively, special teams, the one thing I know about the Patriots when Coach Belichick was there, they're gonna win the special teams battles. They're gonna get a punt return or kick return.

They're going to block a punt. They're going to do something. And Braybel look, I don't know how much Braybel took from coach Belichick. I'm sure he took something. He played with it for all those years, but he put a little bit of his pizzazz. He seems to be a lot more player friendly, but I believe you can be player friendly and be strict and have the players understand there's a level of expectation that I have for you. There's a level of respect that needs to be shown

for your teammates and everybody in this building. Yeah, I love Raves. I played against him when he was at Pittsburgh. I played against him when he was at the Patriots. And where he was supposed to be, if he's supposed to be hook, he in the hook. If he's supposed to be in the flat, he in the flat. If he's supposed to be in the curl, he's in the curl. If he's supposed to set the edge,

he's doing exactly what he was supposed to do. He was fundamentally in technique, he was sound. He was sound. But they look good, they look good. Real World Facts, Young Waco need to be bagging groceries. Yeah, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go.

He needs to be bagging groceries. Yeah, that was bad. Like I said, I have not. I've never seen somebody do that before. In Pee-wee, in junior high, in high school, in college, I've never seen somebody miss a ball that bad.

Not that bad, huh? No. No, where you stub your toe, nah.

Don't even make the ball, don't even get to the ball. Ben Riley's spy doctor, excuse me, Isaac Puntz says kicks may have been canceled due to poor holds. The ball was on the ground, yeah, it was a little, you kick it.

If you, Ocho, if you kick it and the ball goes and it doesn't go in the upright, that's one thing. Bro, you just realized that's a meme? Do you realize you could make the internet forever?

Yeah, yeah.

Dennis Cruz.

Young Ho-To, Ocho, the GOAT, Patriots in five.

Chris Evans, 99, 20. Mike Brable is a tremendous head coach. The fact that he took the Titans to the AFC title game with Ryan Tannehill as his quarterback really says a lot about Braybel. I bet the Titans are still kicking themselves. Pride, I should've never let that man out the building.

But sometimes you don't realize what you have until it's gone, Ochoa. We've all been in situations, and maybe it's a job, maybe it's been a relationship, and you didn't realize how important or special that person was, or how much you really enjoyed that job until you was no longer there

or that person was no longer in your life. Oh yeah. So, Ms. Patrice, Dylan Gaber already said that he said the backhanded remark to the news media about he's not here to put on a show or whatever, so this right on par for his wife. I tried to tell you, I told him I was,

I was grasping at straws. I told you what he said. But anyway, Dr. Frankie M. Bellamy said, Ocho, make sure you get your phone code too. No, I hear that.

Hey, yeah, man, Unc, you got all my, but you know what, Un hold on to all that stuff. I got to do my game room. So people complained about, they complained about my background being too bland and too plain. So y'all give me a minute, y'all give me a minute.

I'm gonna get this thing together. You know, I'm gonna have my nice little trophy, like nice little shells for my trophies to go up. That'd be so nice. Oh Joe. Hey, listen, my nightcap sign is going to be lit up. I'm they changing it for me. I'm putting lightning.

I'm putting stars all in. Yeah, I'm gonna get it together. So so I be real professional. I'm gonna get it together. So y'all gonna like this.

Brandon Crowe said doesn't matter if Jerry gets open, he can't catch. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, who said that? Brandon Crowe.

Hey, Brandon Crowe, hey, see me outside in a minute.

Jazz chilling, Judy is a number two receiver in my church league, damn.

Yeah, see, hey, see, now y'all start to get like real slightly disrespectful.

Ocho, filthy McNasty, Eagle fan here, another Super Bowl hangover. We're not playing well, but there's still time to turn it around. Question for Ocho, is it the same strategy to eat the cookie as it eat the groceries?

Yeah, yeah.

Is it the same strategy, Ocho, when you eat the grocery as you eat the cookie?

Yes, sir, yes, sir. Same scheme, same tactics, you hear me? And then also you can add the element of surprise. Blindfold them, you hear me? Use hot sauce, you know, spice it up a little bit. Use pepper, cause you, listen.

Y'all remember Ocho? Ocho was doing this way back when.

Yeah.

Ocho was doing that 15, 20 years ago.

Hey, before Randy, before Randy did it. Yeah, but listen, I want to, I'm going to give you a small little tip if you got your girl at home, right? Put some put some salt and pepper on the bed. You hear me? Put some salt and pepper on the bed and then Do your little hordes of activity On the bed with salt and pepper there

For what?

That's for him. That's for him to know and for him to find out Yeah, it's just a little trick. Just a little trick that I learned in amateur porn Yeah, a little salt and pepper on the bed, boy. Hey, man. Hey, woo! Yeah, you got to try that, boy.

I'm a balcony type of guy myself. You see, you be told. Callie1234, is Smitty a number one? I think he is. It's just because he's two next to AJ, but on most teams he's a one. Yes, I do think Smitty's a one.

He could be a one. I say it all the time. I mean, Philly's one of the few teams in the NFL that have two number one receivers. Yeah, Dallas. that have two number one receivers. The other team would be in the Bengals, the other team be in Dallas, and hell, we could say LA, Devontae, Devontae.

Oh yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, OJ, they say you out there making plates. They got groceries, salt and pepper.

Yeah.

All you need is some bread, you gotta have your fish sandwich.

Yeah, yeah.

I mean, if it comes down to that, I mean, that's...

I don't even know what that mean, but nah, I'm good, cool.

Hey, I'm telling you, man, you gotta live, man. You gotta get outside that box, boy. I'm telling you. man, you gotta live, man. You gotta get outside that box, boy.

I'm telling you.

You're gonna be about 80 years old and you're gonna reflect and think back on some of the things that you missed and could've experienced when you was younger, man. Yeah, you know, listen, I can get it all out my system. I've done it all.

Edricar Ocho, I'm sending sense of you in the Ravens jersey.

Huh?

You said she's sending sense of you in that Ravens jersey.

Oh, no, it's cool. It's cool to send just any Ravens jersey. But this is me.

Boy, you see what that is?

This man man sick. Hey, you see how wide my back is, boy? I see that, Ocho, I saw that, yeah.

Hey, I've been in the gym, boy, I can't wait till I see Devo, boy. Boy, I'ma slap fire at that boy, you hear me?

Crispy Lewis says, Ocho likes to play with rocks. What that mean, Ocho?

I don't know, I ain't played with rocks since 1932. I ain't played with no rocks in a minute, boy.

Eric Jordan Scott, God dang it, Ocho, Judy ain't no damn one. Come on, man. and fellas, how many times does Jackson Dart have a legit get his head cranium knocked loose for him to learn his damn lesson? Steve Mill called it about Judy.

Hey, I know one thing, y'all finna stop telling me where the one is, right?

Okay?

Now, y'all got about two more times. Just two. Two more times. And I'm had to come to your doorstep.

Boomer GSX 13 R. What's up, Uncle Ocho? Can you say good luck to the West Point Green Wave as they play for the 14th state championship, 10 straight appearances? Yes, good luck West Point Green Wave as they play for the 14th state championship, 10 straight appearances. Yes, good luck West Point Green Wave.

Congratulations on making it back to the state championship, 10 straight appearances. Going for the 14th, wow, that's a lot of state championships

man.

Y'all good, boy.

Good luck, good luck.

OG underscore Thanos, which team is more complete, Rams or Patriots?

Oh, that's a good one.

That's a very good one.

I would give the edge to the Rams because of the defense.

I would give the edge to the Rams because I think those receivers.

Okay.

You got Puka, you got Devontae. I still, I look, it's gonna be close. Drake May is smack dabbing the MVP discussion. If I had a vote, I would still lean towards Matthew Stafford. What does Matthew Stafford has,

like 30 touchdowns and four picks?

Yeah, yep, because he just threw what? He had two or three.

He threw two on Sunday.

Yeah.

He 32 touchdowns, four picks.

Damn! He 32 touchdowns for pigs. Damn.

Hey, that's Aaron Rodgers Green Bay numbers right there in his

prime.

Aaron Rodgers was throwing 45 and 530. I mean think about that old show.

Hey, that's crazy.

Man, it through 55 and 10 bait Brady through 50 and 8.

Now, that's crazy.

Crazy. Kaleidoscope beat. How did you enjoy your time on Long Island? I met you at Huntington meet and greet with my mom when you were at the Westbury and greet that LaPortier was great.

What's up Ocho? It was great, man. I mean, I had really never been to Long Island. My good friend Boomer, Boomer Sizem stays on Long Island. But it was great. I always like going and meeting people and getting a gist, ask where they're from,

here, grew up here, moved back, things of that nature. But thanks for coming out, you and your mom. Chris underscore Marshall, real wide receivers, one, Justin Jefferson, CD Lab, Adrian Brown, Tyreek Hill. All change game plans, demand extra coverage, and consistently take over games.

Judy has never reached that tier.

Hey, how do you reach that tier by by getting what?

I'm King Rel 47. Line up Ocho. I'll cover you. That Florida boy ain't running no routes no more, unks. No more unks. You better tell him, relax. I have to pull up, Miami. Do big bro dirty on the field. Name the place, Ocho.

Listen, I know you living your childhood dream and you probably think you can stop me. There is no way in any lifetime that anyone in

this chat

would be able to do with anything with me. Even if I was 80 years old. Never get it out your head, man.

I don't want you having no surgery on your hamstring like Ragnar.

So I wouldn't I would never on I would never because I eat right.

Kylie, one, two, three, four, Ocho, do y'all think the Chiefs will win out and make the playoffs? Well, that's the only option to make the playoffs. I mean, they don't have another choice, Ocho.

That's a tough task though.

She said, think they can win, that's tough. Cause they got the Texans, they got another game, I think they got a game against the Chargers, they got a game against the Broncos. I know they got the Raiders again, I don't know who the other,

but I know they got those three for sure.

And the funny thing about it, there was a time when the Chiefs were playing, you could damn near check, they check you get them. They check the boxes to win. A few years ago, whoever they was playing if they damn near it was a certain when it's

Ocho the defensive line isn't the same. Yeah, Jones isn't the same player. Call off this. I mean he got that contract for years. 93 million. Does he have three sacks? Does he have four sacks? How many sacks to call off to say?

Oh Joe, he shut it down. He shut it down.

You think so? I mean. Or maybe he hurt, you think he hurt?

Miles Garrett, I think Kaloftus has five. How many does Jones have? Three. Miles Garrett got more sacks than a lot of people's defensive line. That's by himself.

He might have more sacks than they got to the table. How many sacks did the Kansas City Chiefs have a team? Miles. Gary got 19 sacks. They got 22 as a team.

My special man. My special.

TS car. Why is detail said said look at all the money Tyreek spending on just women alone. Goes fast bro. It goes fast. You get a couple kids.

Yeah, listen, you get a couple kids by the wrong person. Yeah,

that that part, it might be the right person until you get ready to leave Well, I'd listen I didn't left all of me had no problem yet King paying 21 why everyone teammates and family slandered their own quarterback one now, he's a class act and They continue to show their true colors is sad sight honestly

Bro That's psyched, honestly. Bro.

The nature of the beast, baby.

It is. Sam Black, where's your 85 Ocho Patriots jersey? Best time to wear it now, Ocho, pass it back. Ocho, your team, bro!

Yeah, yeah, yeah, they playing, yeah, they good, they good, they good, they good. They good, they scraped, they played, they plan out. Yeah, they good, they good, they good, they good.

They good, they scraped, they played, they ballin'. BTFDamon1 says, you walk different with 60 million. You actually do. Well, if you ain't never had no million, you walk different and you get a million. Most people won't ever touch a million.

Not liquid cash. Alec B, 504, oh, the show will be on the road in 26. My wife and I plan our great vacation around the tour. Love you guys. Thank you. Alec, we definitely gonna be on the road in 26.

Hey, boy we gonna be.

We gonna be out like some scouts on a new route.

Boy, that thing will be jumping.

You know my probation period will be over.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm ready. I'm Fletch 23, Uncle Docho, can I get a birthday shout out? I just turned 30, 30 tomorrow. Fletch, happy 30th bro. Hey, damn, no more 20s bro. Yeah, so now you got to grow up.

Yeah, you know what that mean? Knees start giving out.

What?

Start hurting.

Oh yeah.

You know, you get 30 man, you know, I mean, not me. I'm just saying other people, like they start falling apart at 30.

JJ Carver, 80 said, man, young ho, damn near kicked me.

Ha ha ha ha ha.

Flare7022, yo, Ocho, look at Abdul Carter issue as a Viking fan. Where do we go? Because y'all know it can be rough. Love y'all respect.

Sure, but there's no way there is nowhere to go. You need a quarterback. Now, I'm not sure what you know.

He said, but what's Abdul Carter issue?

Oh, oh, hey being young, being young and dumb.

I just I just don't get it, Ocho. You said you put that out there, hey, lesson learned.

Yeah.

Ocho, everything ain't for me and you to understand, bro. Queen of Topics TV, hey, Ocho, who y'all got winning, Shadur or Cam? Also, if y'all got winning, Shadur or Cam? Also, if y'all need security, I'm 5'3", but I carry that five. The bad guy will never expect me.

Hell nah.

Hell, Queen. I'm going Shadur. Man, did you see that move? Miles Garrett got that sack on, how he started outside and jumped clear across two guys face.

Yeah, that was one of my moves.

I'm like, yeah, man, 270 pounds, 275 pounds shouldn't move like that. I'll give that what you say.

Yeah, it shouldn't, it shouldn pounds. You move like that. Now, I'll give them what you say. Yeah, it shouldn't.

It shouldn't.

Yeah, my mouth good. I remember I remember I've never forget what I think it was a year was that think that 2020 2020 2020. Yeah, whatever. Now I had it meet me and miles Gary. We got into a little tussle.

What happened? Nah, I had it. Me and Miles Garrett, we got into a little tussle. What happened?

Nah, you know, he knocked over my Starbucks coffee and he kept walking instead of saying, excuse me. So I like, I got like hit him, like, like, like hit him real quick. Like that. You folded it?

Huh?

You folded it?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Astro Report X7. Judy, not better than Sutton or Labe. He not. Fernando Romo, what's up, Unconnocho? Much love from the East Coast. Only broadcast show I truly watch for hours.

Much appreciated. If you can, shout out my team, J Mob, Joe Mobsters. I guess J mock Joe mobsters. I Guess that's Joe mobster Joe mobsters. I don't know what y'all do Y'all play what y'all do y'all play turkey bowl football or basketball? What do y'all what's your team? What y'all do, bro? Get back at us J. Let us know But we thank you for the support. We really, really appreciate that.

That concludes this episode of Nightcap. As the Patriots take down the Giants by the score of 33 to 15, they move to 11 and two, which is the number one seed in the AFC. The Giants fall to two and 11.

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