Unplugged ft. Akshat Gupta | Mahabharat | Ramayana | Love Story | Spirituality | Bhagwat Geeta

Why should the word Bhagwan be Bhagwan? Why Bha-Ga-Wan?

Bhaa...

Because Bha means land, Ga means sky. What's the most misunderstood story in Ramayan? There are many. Like, Lakshman Rekha is not actually written in Ramayan. How come there are so many Ramayans? There's a version where Ravan and Sita are called father and daughter. How did Hanuman become Chiranjeevi? I gave him this boon while going to Ram.

It's a lovely story. Which Ramayana is the least popular but the most important?

It's a story about women.

I'll tell you a story that neither you nor your viewers have heard. I named it Sitaayan. One word came from Arab countries. That word is Aurat. Aurat has only one meaning. The only meaning. And that is Vajaynath.

In Mahabharata, I have a favorite character. Karn.

Was Karn wrong or was he wrong? Why did Krishna kill him? His story...

How did Duryodhan get heaven?

He was killed by deceit. One, he was killed by deceit. Second, his body couldn't be made of diamond. He was cheated. If you have to choose one hero in Mahabharata, from whose point of view you will watch Mahabharata? Ved Vyas.

What characters would have been there who have seen the whole of Mahabharata? And the one who is one among the Chiranjeevis, he is still there. Is there a temple named Shakuni? Yes, there is. There is one named Shakuni Sri Lanka ask Ravan? According to the scriptures, this is not Sri Lanka's Lanka, it's a different Lanka.

Who is considered the biggest culprit in Mahabharata?

Except one or two characters, everyone. If we stand towards Gandhari, then according to her, Krishna was also wrong. Gandhari had cursed Krishna in the end. That your family will also not prosper. What is the biggest myth about Naga Sadhus? First of all, don't confuse Naga Sadhus with Aghoris. The biggest myth is that Naga Sadhu means naked.

It's not like that.

Who did Mahabharata go wrong with?

Ashwathama or Karn?

Karn. Why don't people keep their children's name Vibhishan? Vibhishan get defamed? Why do we troll Vibhishan? He was on our side. Got a chance to ask Bhagwan Shriyo a question. When are you calling me to you? I'm done. Any character in Ramayana that you want to meet and ask something?

I want to meet Jamun.

Why Jamun?

It is believed that he was much more powerful than Hanuman when he was young. Sita's sacrifice or Draupadi's anger? of the world. Akshat Gupta Ji, welcome.

Pranam.

And you are smiling as if you have caught the right soul. No, no, you have caught the right soul. That someone calls you crazy, someone thinks you are an author. People think you are a poet. Welcome, sir. Pranam. And this smile is saying that I have caught the right soul. No, no, you have caught the right soul. Some say that a person is crazy, some think that he is an author. People say that when the heart breaks,

then a person goes towards spirituality and gets immersed in it. My greetings to Kumar Vishwas.

Namaste, brother.

Is this the right story? Absolutely right story. Is this a true story? Absolutely true. And who is such that if he has not accepted Brahmacharya, he cannot say that he has never gone crazy. Craziness is on different things, Shubhankar bhai. Sometimes it is towards a woman if you are a man. By the way, it can be towards a man too.

There is no problem in that. Sometimes towards your work, sometimes towards your parents, towards the country. So, being crazy can be for someone else or for someone else. And the definition of craziness, it changes in the same life from time to time. But no one can say that I have never gone crazy. Politicians are crazy for votes. You cannot deny that.

I have a composer, my favorite, Mithun. I had done a podcast on Mithun. And in our discussion, there was a discussion that people in this country appreciate pain. Then I remembered Akshat Gupta's videos in which he talks about his wife, ex-wife, in which he talks his wife, ex-wife, in which he mentions his son.

And the whole country feels bad for him, that it's very wrong. One mistake is still going on. I am still above 11 years of meeting my son, touching him. I am still waiting to know his likes and dislikes. So it's wrong. And there are two types of divorces. One between two sensible people and one between two fools. The divorce between sensible people is like the one between Hrithik and Suzen.

That is fine, we are not getting along with both of them. We are not getting along with them but still we are get along with both of them. We are not able to get along with them, but still we are the same train. Between which there are 2-3 children. So, we are not able to get along with them, but they should be able to get along with us. So that the life of that child should go on smoothly. He should not get into such a trouble that he has to live his whole life,

even after you and me die. That I did not get that normal childhood. I tried my best not to have that.

But your story is about Shikhar Dhawan.

Yes. Shikhar Dhawan Ayesha Mukherjee. Mine is about Dinesh Karthik.

Yes.

I mean, this is very strange. You mentioned Dinesh Karthik's love story.

That's the right thing. That's the story.

I am talking about the divorce of Dinesh Karthik. I understood. Dinesh Karthik's wife comes to watch the IPL match. She meets Murali Vijay. They fall in love during pregnancy. And even today, on Friendship Day,

the most famous story of betrayal on friendship. You had narrated it two years ago. I want you to talk about it a little bit. How did you get involved? Both are right and wrong. It is quite obvious. A relationship doesn't break because of one person. I was too focused on my work.

The balance was not right. At that time, I was crazy about work. I had five restaurants and I had to make more. After the love marriage, you were lost towards work.

Yes.

Then, look, everyone has their own needs. There are some people who need a lot of money. Actually, whoever does not have anything, he needs it. Absolutely right. I agree. So, whoever does not have money, the people of his house who are dependent on him say that

he is useless, he has done nothing. We are in debt. I spent that time too. So, I have made a program that I will earn so much money that I never lack anything. I got so involved in it, so much fun. On top of that, I had to run a hotel restaurant. Soam tha. Humare lotne ka samayi ek do baje raat ka normal hai. Aur main apne pariyar ka pehla generation nahi hoon, hotel industry. Teesra hoon. Toh humare ghar mein bhot normal hai ki ek do baje aa rahe hain, phir khaana kha I lost my focus from home because of that. So when I was short of money, I changed my mind. I needed time, I needed time, I needed love.

I didn't have it. I was busy with my own things. And it's not necessary that if you feel thirsty, you will drink water from a mineral water bottle. When you feel very thirsty, you drink from a tap, a steel glass, a pot. If you feel very thirsty, you can drink from a cup.

Then it can be a well, a river, a pond or anything. Because at that time, thirst becomes the most important. So I just couldn't understand it at that time. So while being far, no one wants to be alone.

A person is hungry for love.

No one wants to be alone. So the closest people I got to fill the loneliness, they became my companions. But when I was listening to this story in my mind, I thought many times that wasn't it unfair that you sold the story of two people as pain?

Because the version was one-sided. It could be true. But every story has two sides. I want another chair here. Not one, but two people sit on that chair.

Look, you are married now. We have a new sister-in-law.

No, no, there is no problem in that. And one word...

Now you have become a father of a new daughter.

Yes, this is the first time I am saying this in your podcast.

I wish you all the best for that.

Thank you very much.

So now your commitment has changed.

So don't blush about the new chair. No, no, blush is not a happy thing. It is not necessary to say about emotions. So I say to everyone, sit face to face. But I want to understand this. Like in this country, every person has gone through a period of pain. Most people have broken relationships.

And I just want to understand this. Because the story that has become very popular, it is only discussed with that. And your story was very popular. So many times it came to my mind many times that when that woman would hear this story, I was trying to imagine how she would react, that she would also have a truth.

One, I am sorry to interrupt, you also used a word that you sold this story a lot. Believe me, I have never earned a single rupee from this story. I have not written any autobiography. You have earned a name, sir.

You have earned a name.

The name is based on my story and my ability. Not that I am selling my pain. Look, everyone has pain. When the camera was off, you also shared your pain with me.

That's true.

Right? It is your own choice whether you want to speak your pain in front of the camera or not. And most people don't express their pain in front of the camera. Instagram, Facebook, any social media, you will see everyone smiling. Because people like it when people who don't like me, they see how happy I am.

But, believe me, if you want, after the camera, I will give you a name. How many people have met me personally, and I am standing on the stage and holding the mic, and I have spoken in front of hundreds of people, that because of your story, we were saved from going into depression. Which is true. Your story was motivating too.

I am telling you. And most of the people who told me stories about moving on in life, they said that when you express your pain, that pain is reduced a little bit from your mind.

The mind becomes lighter.

I have to say this straight and I do it. That's why sometimes I shed tears in the podcast. Now someone can say, look, he is becoming poor. So I have not come to change anyone's thinking. The thing is, you were saying that you are a smile. Smiling, laughing, to laugh, to be happy, is an expression of my face.

It is my feeling. It is my feeling. Similarly, pain and suffering is also my expression. So when I am laughing in front of the camera, or putting good things on social media, then I don't feel ashamed that I will put my pain in the same level of cleanliness.

Like, a week or two ago, I was feeling so lonely in Mumbai that I couldn't understand where to go and whom to talk to. Why loneliness? It happens with everyone. I didn't understand anything, so I went to Insta Live. I have 1.6 million followers. I started Instagram.

I said I don't had no agenda to come. I felt very lonely. I felt like I shouldn't do anything to myself. So I thought that so many people love me, so I will talk for a while, read some messages, it will feel good. I talked for 20-25 minutes, he is lying on my Instagram. My team said, remove him. First, you shouldn't have done it. If you did, then remove it. Why should I remove it? I am the only one who is crying. I am the one who broke up. My child is the only child

who didn't get the happiness of his parents. There are countless people, they think, after listening to me, Shubhankar bhai, countless people think that we are not alone. Atul Subhash, who died in Bangalore. I did all that. The biggest difference between Atul Subash and my story is that he attempted suicide and he left. I attempted suicide and I survived. But I am saving myself from making many Atul Subash. I know this. Many people. Because they think that this is not such a thing that...

There is a line, Shubhankar bhai, that people say to themselves, why is all this happening to me? Those who know me and listen to me, they know that we are not alone. All this did not happen to us alone. It happened to him too. He has come here from a dead state. If we get out of depression, if we speak out our problems, and if we get out of the thought of suicide,

then maybe even after going to such a deep level, khayal se bachke aage nikal jayenge toh shayad itne ghart me jaane ke baad bhi, rock bottom touch karne ke baad bhi, hamari life aisi ho sakti, jaisi iski ho gayi. Samein nikalna padega. Yeh thought hai. Maine kuch chand line leh likhi thi depression mein, ki woh diwa see the sealant inside the wall, that is the last stage of cancer for that wall. Many years ago, water started leaking from outside the wall. Slowly, breaking the outer layer, it would have entered inside.

Then, breaking the cement, it would have been in the middle of the brick, the plaster inside would have been broken. tab aapko dikh raha hai kai saal baad ki, oh meri diwaar mein sealan aagayi hai. Wo utte samay akele jooch chuka hai na, tab uske chehre pe dikh raha hai ki usko kya hua hai. Wo hai aapke andar ki diwaar. Toh meri line hai thi ki, diwaar pe jab sealan slowly inside somewhere. When you see the sealant on the wall, you realize that it was dripping and the water was flowing slowly inside somewhere. I doubt that this happens only with walls. I have seen those faces that remain dripping, not flowing with the eyes, but break inside. Like walls, one day they will also break. I am just trying this. Depression is like a cough. ek ghurte ek ruz wo bhi dhe jayenge. Main bas yehi koshish kar rahe hoon. Kaf jaisa hota hai depression.

Thand aati hai, kaf hota hai. Kaf hota hai toh sabse pehle ghar mein maaye aur jab badh jata hai toh clinic mein doctor bolte hai, beta jitni baar kaf aaye thukho. Niglo mat thukho. If you go and spit once, you will get a lot of cough. But you feel that it will not come out now. After 5 minutes, the cough comes again. You have to get up from your sofa, bed, table, then have to go to the bathroom, have to go in front of the basin, and have to spit again.

For many days you keep spitting, then that cough goes away. Depression is like this. It doesn't end by saying it once or twice. not end. The listener may feel that, yes, I have heard it. Yes, it is very sad, but how many times will you say it? I will say it a hundred times. I will say it until my pain is not over. I will say it until the whole cough is gone. I tell everyone that if you are feeling depressed, then find a basin to remove that cough. Then people say

that, but our people listen to it 2-4-5 times, then they say, it's done, how many times will you say? If you have 2 bathrooms, 4 bathrooms, one bathroom's basin will be choked, if water starts coming out, they will stop spitting. If the commode overflows, they will stop going to the toilet. No, you will go to the other bathroom.

One person doesn't want to listen, one person is satisfied with listening to your pain. Find a new basin, find a new ear. And if you are not in depression, believe me, there are so many people around you who just want you to listen to them. No one can help anyone. I have said it a hundred times. Who has gone to my ex-wife and my son and said, listen, I am in a lot of pain. It's been 10 years. Let's say it was Akshat Gupta's mistake, let me meet his son. No one will go. I have to bear my own pain.

But if there is any depression around you, and if you are not there, then there must be around you. It can be in your parents, it can be in your brother, it can be in your friends, anyone friends, anyone. You can't do anything, so at least be a base scene for that. Okay, I totally agree with your version.

That's it.

I agree. But I remember Mahesh Bhatt.

Mahesh Bhatt had made a film, Woh Lam Hai.

Yes.

And I really liked that film. And when the premiere of that film was happening, there was a very good dialogue on that premiere. That the destruction of that destruction has made me alive. This was Bhatt's statement. And Mohit Suri said that I made the film because

I also thought that Bhatt used her like the whole world. This is Mohit Suri's statement about that moment in the film. In which Kangana acted and there are beautiful songs.

That if you are not there, then nothing. So Mohit said that when Parveen Bobby dies, Bhatt sir was among those few people who went to the last rites. When everything happened, he was among those few people who were sitting there alone. And then Bhatt sir said that the woman's destruction had destroyed me. We were in a relationship, she was depressed. I made a film on our life, Saaraansh.

The film hit, Parveen and depression left. I became a big star. Before meeting her, she was a superstar. I fully agree with what you are saying. We have all gone through this period and saying it makes us feel lighter. My question was just that, have you ever thought that when these things go away, because you're a poet, an author, you think, you're a poet,

how will you write that story in a different version? Because it never came. I want you to imagine as an author that you told this story. No one must have said that the world of the internet is very small. No matter how much you try to escape, a person comes in front of you. Even if you close your eyes, a person can see you.

He can see you.

He can see you. And he must have heard this story too.

Absolutely.

The child must know that he is not being made to speak. Yes. How are you doing the other way version? In terms of the other person? First of all, this is not just the other person's version. My whole life was shaken. And I didn't shake that life. I didn't say that leave me and go. So, in today's date, I have reached somewhere, I am able to speak,

people are listening. So it is very easy to say, Not for you, but for anyone. That, look, this is my point. You go to Indore sometime. And in 2014, in Indore, ask about Akshat Gupta. At that time, in the front page of every newspaper,

as a person who used to do domestic violence, my and my parents' pictures used to be printed on the front page. So this was the level of this matter? Yes. That family is an old family there. They were very hospitable. They were. Most people knew them. We had come from outside. We had settled in Ambikapur from the village of Chgarh and settled there. We had no old roots there. Gundai, beatings, police, court, and this kind of taunt that

this man is such a big failure that he couldn't run his restaurants, couldn't run his family and went to commit suicide, he failed in that too. He was sitting and listening, my were sitting outside the police station. They were waiting for us to be called in to insult us. Because women are always right. Everyone knows what happened in Indore.

But women are always right. So, I and my parents have been through all this. I and my parents were the ones who were separated from the child. hai na? Toh yeh sab jo jhela hai, wo main aur mere mata pita hai. Bachay se jiski doori kar di gayi, wo main aur mere mata pita hai. Aur uss samay Indore mein hum logon ki jo durgati karne ki koshish ki gayi, aap samajhiye ki iss cheez pe koi kasar nahi chhodi gayi thi, hum barbaad na ho, hum mar jaye. Ki jab wo suicide that when I was in the police station after he committed suicide, the saline was on. Then it was said that there is such a big failure,

that he failed in committing suicide. And when my parents started crying after hearing this, I am their elder son, I was 33 years old at that time. When they saw that these people were crying, they said, but it's okay, what's the point of crying? Try and try but don't cry. We will give you more ideas.

You won't fail this time. Try again. Who said this? Six or seven people were standing there and talking. It was not like in school or college that people are standing in a group and talking. They are taunting you. But you will say, how can you say this?

They will say, I am not talking to you. We are talking to each other. I have seen all this despicableness. And even after that, I am not speaking in bitterness. I am not speaking like this. I will do this, I will do that. Why shouldn't I speak about my pain? It was my life too. It was the life of my parents that was ruined. Till date, I have not spoken about this. I tried to commit suicide with myself. I did.

I was in the hospital for 5 days. I didn't know if I will survive or die. When I survived the suicide, the government filed a case. Committing suicide is a crime. I fought that case. I apologized to him. I am sorry for that. My father had a full body paralytic attack. My mother had a bypass surgery. I have only one younger brother. He was a commercial pilot in the Philippines.

He left his job and came to take care of this family. I have seen that day that he came to cut the electricity of my house. I couldn't pay the electricity bill of my house for 4 months. And he came, he recognized me, he knew that I am a good person. He said, Akshay ji, give me Rs. 3500. I will give you 15 days time. My father and I couldn't give him Rs. 3,500. The electricity in the house was cut off.

If I get electricity to speak, then if someone asks me, why are you speaking? Those who have done it know that what he is doing is not helping us. If someone else was in his place, and where I am sitting and the material I have, I don't know what I would do.

Now a question arises in my mind as a lover or a society. Two people love each other. Two people live together in love, make each other their world. Then when they separate, why do they become enemies of each other? Why do they become enemies, strangers, destroy each other's lives, hate each other.

They are connected to the whole world. Only those two people are not in each other, who have never lived together, died together. Both are living in this world. Both are connected. Both have an impact on life. And this is not your story, it is everyone's story. Many times I feel that why is it important to love?

Because in love, you separate and become unaware of the person who is closest to you.

True.

Why?

You will have to put a chair for this too. Because believe me, I don't hate anyone. I will forget. I will do what they say, forgive and forget. But that woman and that friend can be my past. I can let them go.

My son is alive. He is breathing. He is present. That is what is being hampered. And I am not saying that I am not in touch with it. If I am there, I will do what I can. I will do what I can. But what was explained to that child, I will do whatever I can. But the child who is made to understand,

he will live in the chaos of his life. That my father was like this. Which is not true. I can forgive my past. I can forget my past. How can I forget my present?

I know how it looks. You are not a father yet. I am not saying that you won't understand. But the one who is going through it will understand. You will get a small pin. And everyone will get a pin. But when you will get a pin, then no matter how close your parents are, your parents, your loved ones, they will be able to speak and try to understand

how you are feeling the pain of the pin. They will be able to try their best. Only you will be able to feel the pain of the pin. True. The rest of the people will be able to try.

The rest are a part of it.

So you will have to put a chair for that because I don't hate. I genuinely don't hate. In fact, if there is a chair in front of me and I am asked, if you want to say something, what will you say? Then I will say, thank you. And that will not be a cut-off.

Love can happen to anyone at any time. At that time I was very angry that why did this happen to me? But now I see that I feel that you have done a good thing by leaving my life. Otherwise, I would have run 15 restaurants instead of 5. I would have never come to Mumbai. I would have never done writing. I would have never sat with Shubhangar Mishra. We would not have talked about this.

So, whatever happens, happens for the good. I would never have met the person who got me out of depression. He took care of my life without marriage and without any commitment or marriage. I spent 4 years in Mumbai. Now she is my wife on the pages. She is still my best friend. She is 3.5 years younger than me.

And I shamelessly and shamelessly say this again and again that I touch her feet with both my hands whenever I have any achievement in my life. The allegations that were put on me at that time that I used to kill day and night. I used to drink alcohol. to that. Aur aap saadeh aat saal tak maar khaari thi aur aapne kuch bhi nahi diya mereko. Sochiye. Aur main wahi shaksoon ki mera itna hirday parivartan ho gaya ki main ab ki apni samkaksh

ka paun chhutaun. Nahi sahab, main uss samay bhi hoi tha, main aaj bhi hoi hoon. it will be kept there. If I touch their feet, I touch them.

And they?

If they are capable of it, I would touch them. But I have never touched their feet. In our house, it is not a tradition. Our fathers have taught us that we should not touch the feet of others. Our wives also do not touch the feet of others. This is a tradition of my family.

How do you make hatred and anger into strength?

There is a saying, greatest revenge is massive success. And this is my main mantra. The hatred, Shubhankar Bhai, is absolutely true. The greatest revenge is massive success. It is very easy to shoot, to stab, to kill someone by a knife. It's very easy. It's about Indore, what happened just now.

In Meghalaya.

Three people were sent for 40-50 thousand rupees. If you really want to hurt someone, then work on yourself. Work hard on yourself. You will become worthy enough that hurting the people who left you. They will feel the pain. They will say, I thought this man is finished.

If I knew he would go so far, I would have made him. And he will die everyday. Hatred is a fact. I have felt it myself, what you are saying. I hai. Nafrat jo hai na. Main khud yeh mehsoos ki hai, jo aap keh rahe hain. Kadam kadam pe main dekha hai, mehsoos ki hai.

Toh main usliye has raha hu.

Aate hain Shubhangar bhai. Wapas aate hain log. Tekho main yaad toh hoon na, bhoola toh nahi na bhai. The hatred is pure white. There can be no mix of it. Someone told me a beautiful thing that successful people have been insulted in life somewhere. Either in poverty, in love, in society, in their companions, in their family,

or there is some lack of we have not tolerated. And because of that, they have made that anger their strength and shown the world

that we are like this.

Whatever you have insulted, remove the word family from my life. I am talking about family as in relatives. Yes, I have done that. So whatever you have said, I am insulted in all those places. All places. I have cried, I have been hurt.

I still cry that I was not such a bad person. But then I get the strength to tell more. I will work harder and go further.

Usually, the society has a belief that men don't cry. You are openly expressing that you have become weak. You are married for the second time, still you said that you were feeling lonely. And I went and said that today I am feeling lonely. I will do something, it is better than this.

You talk to people.

Is this weakness or an attempt to empower others? An attempt to keep yourself alive. Apne aapko jeevit rakne ka prayaz aur yeh batane ki koshish ki koi kitna bhi bada celebrity ho, kitna bhi famous ho, kitne bhi uske followers ho, antim mein wo insaan hi hai. Usko bhi har wo aisaas hota hai. Baahar se kya lagtahi, matlab sirf main filmi celebrities ki nahi. Main baat kar raha hu politicians ki, main baat kar raha hu cricketers ki, main baat kar raha hu reporters ki. Aisa that what happened to this? Give me the phone. Give me the handkerchief. It felt like when they go to bed, someone would have taken off their shoes. And when they wake up in the morning, they don't do Om Shanti Om,

they put their feet down, Shahrukh Khan, and they wear slippers. A common man like me feels that our life is like this, really. That the army is going on, the revolution is moving, the army is moving. We don't understand that women like Deepika Padukone also go into depression. Everyone is carrying their own baggage. There is a very good saying that just because I can carry it well, doesn't mean that it is not heavy. I can carry it with a smile, it doesn't mean that I am not not hurt, I am not in pain,

I am not in pain. This is not a burden, it is my past baggage. But there is another saying, you must have heard it. It is in a little rough language. It is said with anger and right that the dead should not be carried on their shoulders. They are bastards. So this saying that the dead should not be carried on shoulders,

why is this saying? This saying is because if you keep a body on your shoulder, it will be closest to your nose. You have taken out a dead body, you have put it on your shoulder, first of all, it will smell, that's why it is called Baastain. And second, you think how how slow your progress will be. You are carrying the load of one or two people. But it doesn't matter to them.

They are not there. You are alone. I am saying that for me, these two are dead. I am not able to forgive them because I am stuck there. I don't like it. I can get him to any best of the best college in India. You hate me so much that you are harming your own child, which is also my child. This is the pain of the present. Leave the pain of the it. What do I do with what I am living in the present? You answer me. Or it will be right as a father.

That yes, 10 years ago I had a child. Leave it, son. Look at yours. Then I will be fine. Tell me. You became the enemy of your love. Everyone becomes. The same that you kept watering the trees. My tree died because I watered it too much.

When a person loves more, he becomes the enemy of his love. I had written on this that love is like tea. Keep less sugar, people drink it. Increase it more. So I said, keep it very sweet. If you increase it, even they say it's too sweet. Keep it.

You don't need more. Another thing is that there shouldn't be too much sweetness in relationships. Otherwise, it will be like ants. The difference of 19-20 is good. When the difference is of 10-20, the relationship breaks. Nothing you get for charity is worth it.

No matter how valuable it is. You have loved a lot, the other person doesn't want that much,

so you have become the enemy of your love.

This is like, you think that the amount of water in the ocean on earth, can be taken down in any other planet. You bring a pot, when the pot is full, then the water will flow out. So, the water that is flowing out is waste. Now you keep pouring water in the pot. The pot is full. The pot is full.

But you are the ocean, you have to give more. You don't have to take more than that. You must have met many such employees. Especially in the lower class, it happens a lot. That if someone's salary is XYZ amount and you feel that he is doing a great job, and you suddenly double his salary.

You see, he will start taking 15 days off after two months.

Yes, we have it.

Right? He will take 15 days off. Do you know why? Because he doesn't want double. He wanted the same as you were giving him. But you said, he is a good person, we will give him double. He started harming you, that I will come for 15 days.

Because whatever you were giving him in 30 days, now he is getting it in 15 days.

Interesting.

How did this spiritual journey start from here? After breaking your heart, did you become spiritual? Or was it because your mother was a Brahmin, so you were a little spiritual in childhood? A little. I was a little bit like that in my childhood. But that little bit, the way you are sitting here, reading Ramayana, Mahabharata, all the classics, and you are fully engaged in YouTube.

I was a little confused about your personality. I thought your personality is a little bit like our anchors. Like there is a famous saying about anchors, that they are knowledgeable about every subject. In our community, they say that they are knowledgeable about every subject. He is laughing and slapping me. No, no, I am the anchor myself, I am slapping myself too.

So when I was checking videos on your profile, I thought there is information on every subject. Then when I started to catch the beginning, where is the root? So I found the lover in the root. So I said a lover broke his heart, went towards spirituality.

So please explain to me, I have grasped the root. I have grasped the root of love. Now when the tree is coming out from the root,

how did it start growing?

So, you have Sudhanshu Trivedi ji with you. His stories have impressed me a lot. I have quoted his name before. He said that there are five stages to reach infinity, to reach spirituality, to reach spirituality, to reach moksha.

The first stage is that if you don't have a relationship with your family, you start

breaking up.

The second stage is that you start wearing clothes, brands, whatever you wear, your mouth starts getting fed up of those things. The third stage is that you stop making choices in food. You eat whatever you want. And then those people become beggars. So, whatever you get in home, in Biksham, in curd, it's fine. Fourth, you leave the clothes of curd.

And fifth, you leave your life. That I don't want anything from this world. When the exchange ends, that I am giving you this, what will I get from you? In whose mind, as those things end, Khatam hota hai na, ki main tumko yeh dena hoon tum se mere ko kya milega. Jiske zain mein jaise jaise wo cheezein khatam hoti jaatey hain, waise waise usko sansar se kuch chahiye nahi hota hai.

Isliye aap dekhe jo rishi, munyon karenge. Jab aap jaate hain. Hum jaate hain lolo pacho karte hain. Humko unse kuch chahiye na. Because they don't want anything from you. To yeh paanch stage jo hote hain mujhe aisa lagta hai. Jab mene suna hai toh you are saying is so much like me. I thought when I tried to commit suicide then by mistake all these stages came together with me. I didn't want anything from the world. I thought I had to save something for myself.

Our life is like a bird returning home. There is no way to go ahead of anyone.

Nor is there a way to get rid of anyone. Absolutely right. I didn't want anything from anyone. When I was saved again and I was totally shattered. I didn't want to buy the next car. I don't want to build a bigger house. I don't want to open a sixth restaurant. I said, if you don't want to do all this, then what do you want to do? I don't know what to do. So I started writing while fighting that depression for the first time. And I want to write my first story, The Hidden Hindu.

I am not endorsing it. I am speaking in general. It is the first written story of my life. I have never written a story before that. What did you write in that book? It is a story of a girl who is caught and in her interrogation, when she is hypnotized by a narcotic injection,

she has no margin to lie. So when he starts to speak, he says that my name is Om Shastri. I am immortal. I am Chiranjeevi. And I have lived since all four eras. I have come to Pakad in Kalyug in 2021. And I have lived all four eras without dying. I was a part of Ramayan, Mahabharat. I have met Ram and Krishna. But I am none of those seven immortals. I am not one of those seven Chiranjeevis. I am the eighth Chiranjeevi, who was hidden in the pages of history.

You have never heard about him, never seen him, never known him. Now I have come out because I am looking for those seven Chiranjeevis. About whom you and I know a few people in AAPAR. Hanuman, Parshuram, Ashwatthama, Ved Vyas, Kripacharya, Raja Bali and Ravan's brother Vibhishan. So I am looking for these 7 people. Now the problem is that after the injection of Narcotest and Hypnotism, he cannot lie. What he is saying, according to medical science, cannot be true in 2021. How are you alive? So my story starts from there.

Beautiful thought. People write these stories. You have written a very deep spiritual story. My son is the reason for that. He used to like Marvel movies. Superheroes, Immortals, Thor, Iron Man. So I wanted him to learn about our culture, our ancient Hindu scriptures. But it is very difficult to make children remember. So when he was taken away from me, I felt that in 2-4 months I will go and bring him back. So at that time I started writing this story that when my son came back after 6 months,

I will say that the time he spent with you in the time compartments was the time I spent with you, was the time I spent without you. I was with you and writing this story for you. So, the biggest book in the country which is about to be published, around 1 million copies, of The Hidden Hindu, I was writing that for just one kid. But he didn't come in 2-4 months. It's been a year, 2 years, 6 years. It's been 6 years since I started writing The Hidden Hindu. Then it was released in 2021. And now many kids are reading it.

They remember the names of Saatchi Ranjeev, Dashavatar, the difference of 4 ages, how many times 4 ages are there, and many other things. So it happened. I went to the podcast for the first here and there to promote my book for the first and second time. I went to podcasts. The team had set it up. If you want to do a podcast, talk about the book.

2022 was your era.

People say that.

I will call it an era. Time is still there. But it was an era.

When you were hitting every ball on the boundary line.

I was reading.

There is a difference between studying and studying. This is also a time-bomb. Many times, sir, I am interrupting you. Like when I was in my life, when everyone's life was in turmoil, so for a long time I was thinking, what is life? I didn't understand why all these things happen. So many incidents happen.

Sometimes you are happy, you get what you get, sometimes you get something, sometimes what happens. So ultimately I discovered one thing that life is a journey on the road, which starts with birth and ends with death. And you have to keep walking on that path. And on that path, God has kept many gifts for you.

There are some hurdles and some gifts. So when you move forward, keep carrying what is with you. Those who want to stop, remember their good times and say thank you. Leave the grudges and move forward.

Because if you don't move forward, you won't realize that the God who had kept you ahead, will be left behind. And this is your journey. You are the hero of this story. And you will keep moving forward and you will get something.

You broke up. So God has kept a wife for you, whom you are touching your feet. He had kept a daughter, who completed your life. The son was first, and completed the life. He had kept a new career as an author. If I hadn't broken up, I wouldn't have been sitting on this chair today.

So I feel that this is the journey, this is life. And like a film, there are different stages in it. This is the design of God. Every person has different films. So when something is going wrong, don't cry about it. Think that there is a sad scene in your film.

Now if you move ahead from this sad scene, then there will be a romantic scene, another good scene, songs will be played again. The movie is still left. The movie is still left, my friend. But you guys have heard that the breakup didn't just happen to me. It happened to them too.

It happens to everyone. Who didn't have it?

That's the thing, people are not vocal about it. Like you wrote this book, we wrote it separately. We wrote that, I tell the truth that I miss you every day. Na hokar bhi har roz tum mujhe yaad aage. Sach kehta hu, ke na hokar bhi har roz tum mujhe yaad aage, kisi se keh toh na paunga, par aksar raato mein mere aankhon se neen mein chalak jaoge.

Ke na hone par bhi yaad rakhe ki duniya yeh meri kahani, jisme hoke kisi ghair ke tum, dil mein hamisha mere zinda rahe jaoge. Your body may belong to someone else, but my love, you will be called a disgrace in my love. By showing me the right and accepting everything, by giving me the connection of the world, you will separate my body from me. But tell me, the fragrance that we have spread on your soul,

how will you be able to erase that fragrance?

There is an old poem of Hariharan Sahib, there are four lines of it, Hariharan Sahib ki purani ghazal hai. Uske chaar line hai ki aap hamare saath nahi chaliye koi baat nahi. Aap kisi ke ho jaye aapke bas ki baat nahi. But humne ek aur likha tha jo aap pe suit karti hai.

Acha, sunaayi.

Aur ye aap suna sakte hain. Agli baar. Ke jo tu nahi to chal tu nahi sahi. Waise bhi shayad teri maujoodgi meri zindagi se zyada, mere kisse kahaniye me achhi lagti hai. Mohabbat ke ek apna bhi version hota hai na, jisko humne khubsurat bana ke rakha hai.

Us gandhgi ko hata ke, uske khubsurti ko zinda rakhe, If everything was bad, we wouldn't have been out for 8 and a half years. Something good would have happened. Jani Bhai had said, save my love for my share.

We can meet at any age, Jana.

Very good.

So this is your first book, your Hidden Hindu. Yes. We have seen many podcasts of this book in millions on the internet. Yes. That was the reason. I didn't go to talk about all this. You said you sold it.

I have a little bit of that here. But actually, I went to sell books on the podcast. But when it came to who you are, where you are from, what is your background, how did you start writing, how did you start writing, I told you once in the answer. No, I asked this question because people have always asked this story in this way.

When I was listening, I think everyone in this world has their own right and wrong. Everyone has their own right and wrong. There is no right and wrong in this world. Our upbringing, our behavior and our thinking determines what is right and what is wrong. My right is yours, your right is mine. So when I is right for me is wrong for you, and vice versa. So when I sit on this chair, I always sound like the other person.

I always try. So I tried to understand his other coin. I started this story. Can there be another perspective? If you pay attention, the other coin that you are talking about, I said first that mistakes are made from both sides. Along with that, I also said that I didn't make any mistake. So, I made a mistake.

And I told Mithun that you sold the pain well. Mithun said, I didn't sell it. In this country, people absorb pain well. So, I thought that the stories you told, people absorbed it very well. This is written by me, that I asked him, why did you come back from the course? He smiled and said, no one has accepted me like you. So I went back.

Okay. So this was your first book.

How many books have you written till now? What have you written? There are five number of books. But there are two titles. Because the Hidden Hindu was in three parts. And after that, my book The Naga Warriors came. That is in two parts.

Okay.

Now my next book is The Other Indian. It's a political science fiction. It will be released by Penguin around September. This is the first book, which is also with Penguin. In Hindi, Prabhat has The Hidden Hindu. And Manjul has The Naga Warriors.

Apart from this, have you written any other songs, poems, or poetry? Yes, I keep doing all this. A film had just come out, it didn't do well. It was Kesari Veer Naam. Sunil Shetty, Vivek Oberoi and Suraj Pancholi were there. There is a song in that, on patriotism. That song is written by me. It was praised a lot. Sunil Shetty has some dialogues in that.

You are peace, you are war, you tu narsimha hai, tu buddh hai, tu naman hai, tu prahar hai, tu jeevan hai, tu antim sanskaar hai, tu dhal hai, tu teer ki nok hai, tu brahmand hai, tu teeno lok hai. Tu shor hai, tu moun hai, unko dikha tere dono roop, unko chunna hai ki tu kaun hai. For CNN, I wrote a song for the day of Prana Pratishtha, for 22nd January. It was played daily in all the channels of CNN18 for many days. I have written many more songs. I have 9 films. With big known production houses. Which are not documentary, but all commercial films.

And for about 6 other books, I have signed with different publications. Apart from this, I do talk shows all over the country, where I am invited. For schools, universities, colleges, principals, doctors, banks, corporates, everywhere. When we started this podcast, you said that my story is like Dinesh Kartik's. I think there is a link in your story. Yes, I like him a lot. I want to meet him. I haven't met him yet.

It's a very similar story but yours is of Neelesh Mishra. I don't know his story. Sorry. This is his story. He has such stories in his life.

Hu Bahu.

Maybe that's why he wrote that I said from my heart, to find happiness, not to understand. I understood the sorrow. So this sorrow is right. How did you study so much spirituality? Because I am sure you must not have studied so much in-depth in your early life. I have not studied in-depth yet. I say the analogy of many things that I understand from my mind.

And I try to connect with the young generation. So it is very difficult be very difficult sometimes. Like, some people trolled me on one thing. That is not wrong in its place. But my thought process or agenda was that, I had said about Ravan.

That Ravan's mother's name was Kaikasi, who was a demon. Ravan's father's name was Visharva, who was the great grandson of Brahma. Yes, the fourth generation.

The third generation.

The third generation was his grandson. The fourth generation was Ravan himself. So, I was trying to explain that the demon's path and the path of God, because Brahmaji's lineage and here the demon's lineage. So, he gave more air to his tamasic elements. So, the demon's path came forward and the path of God left behind. So, his name became Ravan.

The idea was that whoever doesn't know this, they should remember this. It is easy to remember that the path of the demon and the path of God. Like there is a word, Vibhgyor. This is not a word. It is a way of remembering rainbow colors.

V for violet, I for indigo, B for blue. So, I made it like that. Like, I made it easy for children to remember. So, I made it like that. So, some people caught it and said, these gentlemen have come and are giving knowledge. I don't know where they are studying from. mahoday aaye hain aur yeh gyaan parus rahe hain, pata nahi kaha padh rahe hain, pata nahi kaha se seekh rahe hain. Kyuki Ravan nahi hai, wo Ravan hai. Van hai. Haan, sach hai Ravan hai. Lekin idea yeh nahi hai ki main kisi likhi cheez ko galat bol duya. Aap basically kya chahate hain jab kisi ko Remember. He should remember how Ravan was a Brahmin and Ravan was also a demon king.

So if he was a demon, how was he a Brahmin? If he was a Brahmin, how was he a demon? If you answer that in a way of explaining, then it becomes something else. I say the full form of God, some people have a problem with that too. We are told that you are very illogical people, Hindus. Some people from other communities say that you do anything, you keep feeding on stones. What is the logic?

You are so confused people, one is reading Gita, one is reading Ramayana, one is reading Mahabharata, one is reading Garuda Puran, one is reading Shiv Puran. You are not even reading in one line. So I believe that if someone says something like this to you next time, you must say two things. Look, you all have one book. We have a whole library.

Library is for scholars. Not for illiterates. You will get a few magazines for illiterates. Library will be in their house, the scholar who will understand. The one who knows how to read, will collect those books.

Second thing is, as far as our illogicalness is concerned, that you keep tying a knot in the tree, we are such logical people, Shubhankar Bhai, that the first person who made this word Bhagwan, he must have thought that why should the word Bhagwan be Bhagwan only? Bhagwan, Lagwan, Nagwan se neer, matlab paani. Toh jo bhi shakti in paancho tattvon ko apne vashm mein karna jaana hai, wo hai mera bhagwaan. Why only God? But it is there, others feel so.

So, we have to answer that many times. So, by doing all this, learning a little, understanding, listening to other scholars, sometimes my mother told me something, now I talk in that line, so now I go somewhere, so the people there also start telling me.

This is from our side, such and such stories. Whatever I like, I bring whatever I like. I tell everyone what I like. I am just doing postman work. I had just been to Durgapur. When I got down in Durgapur, I got used to it.

Tell me about this area. Tell me something interesting. He said, sir, it is made between two rivers. And Durgapur was the first town in the world where batao. To bole ki sir yeh do nad ke beech mein bana hai. Aur Durgapur vishwa ka pehla wo kasba tha chahan naudurga ki pooja hoi thi. Pehli baar. Bengal mein. Main bola pehli baar. Bole haan sir pehli baar jo nauratri ki pooja hoi thi naudin. Wo Durgapur mein What is a river? He said, sir, like a river, there is a boat. I said, man, I have been 40 years since childhood.

Have you ever heard of a boat?

That's right. We haven't heard of it either.

Right? So I said, I have never heard of it. So he smiled and said, no sir, I mean, every child in this country knows a boat. I said, how? We are not among those children. He said, Sir, everyone has heard of Brahmaputra. It is not Brahmaputri, it is Brahmaputra. It is a male river. It is a male river. It is not Ganga, Jamuna, Sarvasati, Godavari, Narmada.

It is a male river. And the two rivers that are made between the two rivers, that is called Damodarnath and Ajaynath. So, Brahmaputra is not only one male river. There are more male rivers.

Interesting.

Very interesting. So, we Hindus have made such a beautiful balance into everything. And that needs to be taught.

Beautiful.

So, I tell such things. So, I have a question. Which are the five most mysterious or underrated temples in India? According to you. The story is very interesting, you should know. But it is not as popular as the big temples. Which are the five most interesting and underrated temples in India?

It is not right to say underrated because all the interesting things are now being discussed on the internet. Yes, but one is that the kids are talking. One thing is that limited people know. Few people know.

Like I went to Diu. I am just pointing it out to you. I went to Diu.

So Diu is an island in front of Somnath. I went there for the first time in 2019. And I was told that there is a place here where five Pandavas hadavas in their time and they worshipped at the seaside. And if you go there, there are five Shivlings, which are made of different sizes. The waves of the sea come, perform abhishek and return. And it is such a beautiful sight that I was surprised to see it. That they went to Shivling in that era.

And that Shivling is still there. But there was no crowd there. No one knew. During the Covid era, I went there to roam. Somnath, a friend of mine, said, let's go to Diu.

It's a good island. I went there. I also look for temples. What else is there? I showed the fort, told the Portuguese stories. How did the Portuguese come here?

This was their church, and this was the temple. I made a video and uploaded it. It went viral on the internet. It went viral in that era. That waves come on the five seas, ablution and then they return. I went there 2-3 times. Every time there was a little crowd. This time when I went, I saw that a magnificent temple is being built there. A very beautiful temple and the government is developing the Diu.

But still it still underrated. Even now, not so many people go there. Some people went to the Bhalka Teerth, where Lord Krishna was shot. Somnath people go there, but not as many people go there. Some temples are very popular. Ujjain's Mahakaal, Vaishno Devi Temple, Kedarnath Temple, Ayodhya Temple,

Kashi Vishwanath Mandir. I am narrating the Mandir where very few people go.

Which are the five such Mandirs?

There is a small Mandir in Lamgaon. Lamgaon is near Ambikapur. Ambikapur is in District Sargoja, Chhattisgarh. I was born there. So, since childhood, we have grown up listening. So, there is a small story that a farmer was dreaming about Lord Hanuman. He was saying that he is trapped in this tree under some curse. Take me out.

He had a dream once, he didn't pay attention. Then he had a dream again. So, when he came out a couple of times, and in his dream, he was showing the way to the tree in the middle of the forest. This is the tree. Cut from here. If you cut from below it will get hurt. Cut above it, it is stuck below it. He went on the third or fourth day to buy an axe, the shopkeeper said, you are a farmer, why do you need an axe? He said, there are innocent people, they tell you what happens.

He said, I am having a dream, I want to cut that tree. He laughed and said, okay. The wind spread around, 8-10 people went to prove him wrong. They said, let's see how much Hanuman Ji can get out of you. They cut the tree from where he was told in the dream. In that tree, there was a real Hanuman Ji statue.

In the middle, a temple was built. The height of that statue is increasing in Shivangarh. It is increasing till now. So in some years, I mean it increases little by little, but in some years, after breaking its roof, we have to build a new roof on top because the statue is getting bigger. This is one of the wonders. Recently I went to Guwahati. In Guwahati, most people talk about Kamakhya Devi.

There I met a wonderful person, His name is Parthoda. He is the commissioner and STF chief. Parthoda I love you too. So he said, I will take you to a few good temples. You will enjoy. So after Kamakhya Devi, I went to Umanand temple. Umanand temple is an island in the middle of the river. It is a natural island. It is on top of that mountain. You have to go by boat. The story is that Kamakhya, Parvati ji came there. Then there is a tunnel from Kamakhya temple.

There is a tunnel which reaches to that island from the bottom of the river. Uma, means Parvati, went from that tunnel to this mountain, to this island to meet Shiva. And there both of them met each other and got blessed. So that temple is called Uma Nand Temple. Very beautiful temple, very peaceful temple, enjoyed it. Then he said that before going to the airport, there will be a Nab Nabu Grah on the way, you can see it.

So, one thing is that, I have seen 2-3 temples, let's leave something for the next time. He said, yes, there are many more, but once you see Nabu Grah.

He said, okay.

Shubhankar bhai, I have not seen such a temple till date. Its Garbh Grah is. Is hall se bada garbh grah hai. Aam taro par garbh grah hai humko kaise dikhta hai? Chota sa. Ek shivaling hai, ek moorti hai. Huge garbh grah hai, usme naun shivaling hai. Aur har shivaling pratik hai ek grah ka. Jab aap uske waha pe tokni and flowers, if you go to buy that, you will get 9 different coloured cloths in a plastic and a bottle of oil. You have to apply oil to all of them. There is a priest sitting with every Shivling. You go to the place where your priest has

asked you to go for the worship of Shanti. You stand in line near him, then your number will come, then the priest will do the worship and you have to apply oil to all the cloths on the planets. 9 different Shivlings and you are walking in between them. You are walking in all directions. And it was a strange pleasure to go there. There is a temple in Pachpani, Madhya Pradesh.

I am forgetting its name. But it is a temple of Lord Shiva. You have to climb a lot of stairs. I went long time ago, so I don't remember. You have to climb many stairs and then there is a deep cave. There is no light in it. You have to walk around in darkness. The floor is made of stones, natural stones, like in caves. And it is wet. All the time it is wet.

If you wear socks, it will get wet. And there is a small pond in the middle and the water is pouring from the roof. The water is very cold. It is pouring everywhere. The pond in the middle is also falling. So you will hear the sound of water.

And you will go inside. There are a few lamps there. One priest is sitting there. When I went there for the first time, I was very nervous at the beginning. Why would I be nervous in a temple? But I was. And then when I went inside and

after doing all that, we came back down. Then I thought, I might not be able to come here again. I might never be able to come here again. So everyone was wearing their moza and there were a lot of stairs. I said you guys do it. I had a room as well. I said you guys do it. I will come back after a while. I am not a thin man. If I feel like climbing the stairs again, I will go. What happened now? I said I have missed something. I am stuck in something. I have to go. I went back. I was there for at least 15 minutes. I didn't go back to the temple. But I was standing in a corner in a cave. I got a strange pleasure.

It was 4 o'clock. There are more like this.

Let me add one.

Please.

The place next to Vaishno Devi is Shivkhodi.

Okay.

Have you ever been there?

No.

You should go. When I went there for the first time, this is the place where Bh demon Bhasma was after Lord Shiva. So the Lord went there. This place is so divine that you will see the marks of the trident on the wall. It is not a straight path.

Now the government has made it by turning it from the other side. But the first path was a thin path with mountains. You are holding a rope and you will go up.

And when you reach inside, there is a place where milk is falling from the mountain.

Milk is falling? Okay.

There is a place from where it is said that it is the path to heaven.

Light comes.

There is a cave in front of it, which is said to lead straight to Amarnath. A Baba has gone from there to Amarnath. If you go inside that cave, you will reach Amarnath. At that place, you will find the signs of all the Deities. It is believed that Lord Shiva had come here and stayed. Vishnu Ji came and when Vish when he finished Bhasmasur,

all the deities came from the same path to convince Lord Shiva. And you will find all the signs there. You will find Gangaji there, you will find a little bit of Dharti Mata there. All elements. Yes, and only the milk of Raja Gangaji is falling on that mountain. It is such a strange place.

What name did you tell?

Shivkhodi.

Shivkhodi.

Very strange place. I mean, when I went there for the first time, now it has been renovated a lot. Because the road has been made good to go there. You have been made an easy way from the side. When my family and I went there for the first time in 2001 or 2002, there was a lot of oxygen shortage. You had to go down holding ropes. You had to lie down.

You had to lean somewhere. You had to stand somewhere. And the way you go and when you have darshan inside, and you go inside, I would like to suggest this to all the viewers, that when you go to Vaishno Devi, then it is about two hours away from there. Shivkhodi is that place.

It is a wonderful place. And you go there and sit with the priest and see everything. You will see the feet of Parvati Mata, you will see the Darshan, you will see the Trishul, you will see the way to go there. And you will get all the information about the Baba who went to Amarnath from there, we will get complete information about him. And every Mahashivratri there is a Bhavya program.

I think it is one of the most underrated temples in India.

Shivkhodi.

Definitely.

I will make a video on this later. I realized today that it is quite interesting. I will tell you two places. One is Somnath, then definitely go to Gangeshwar Mahadev Temple. Gangeshwar. Gangeshwar. It's a very beautiful place. If you want, I can show you a little bit.

Because this is our video, so there is no issue of copyright. And in Gangeshwar Mahadev, your eyes will find peace.

Okay.

I will seen this. I have seen this. I have seen this. I have seen this.

I have seen this.

I have seen this.

I have seen this. I have seen this. You just told us about 5. Yes. This fast wave came and after the wave it returned back.

It's a beautiful.

Very beautiful.

This is one thing. But Shiv Khodi's glory is different. Shiv Khodi makes you feel different. You realize that God is on earth. This was my first experience. People go for darshan for Vaishno Devi. You go for darshan of Vaishno Devi, you can also go for darshan for Vaishno Devi. You can go and come back to Jammu, Katra in a day. Now sir, let's come to Ramayana. You have written a lot on Ramayana, you have done a lot of podcasts.

We had some questions. What is the most misunderstood story in Ramayana? Which is presented as a myth and people believe it. There are many. Like Lakshman Rekha, it is not actually written in Ramayan. It is not written that Lakshman Rekha was made by Lakshman ji. It was added later. There are many different versions. In one version, I have heard about the South, I have not read it.

There is a version in which Ravan and Sita are told as father and daughter. to that it was a fight between father-in-law and son-in-law. It is a very strange thing. People like us will consider it as a lie. So, these are the things. But how come there are so many Ramayans? Indonesia has its own Ramayans, ours is a different Ramayans,

there are different Ramayans in many places in the world. So, Bhagwan Ram was the same, Leela must have happened at the same time. How did different Ramayans come in different times?

Everyone's time is different.

You see, Shubhankar bhai, even now, a new incident happens in a corner of the country. So, its final report comes out after several weeks and months. In the meantime, different influencers, different news channels, different people who tell different stories. Countless stories come out.

You will listen to it and believe that if you trust this, then this will be right. Then you will listen to someone else and say that this was wrong, this was right. At that time, there were no influencers or social media, I mean, there was no internet. But at that time, we were the first to tell stories as a hobby. Writing style came later. So different people told different stories.

We used to do a few experiments. Stand in a line, say a word in each other's ears, and it would become something else by the end. So different things were made in that way.

Okay.

You said about Hanuman that he is one of the living beings. And we know that he is a living thing. You said that Hanuman ji is one of the Chiranjeevis. And we know that he is the living God. In God, the living God is probably the only one. Yes, he is one of the immortal people. So how did Hanuman ji become a Chiranjeevi?

When Hanuman ji was hit on the face by Indra, when he was going to eat the sun, at that time he had got a lot of boons. But he also got a curse that you will forget your ability. Until the time comes when you have to use your ability, you will forget this thing. So, most people believe that he was given this boon while going to Ram.

There is a lovely story that Ram had to go back. And Hanumanji loves Ram so much that he wants to fight with Ram. So he said, either you will stay with me or I will go up with you. I am not leaving you. So he took off his ring, you must have heard that story, he took off his ring and put it in the crack of the ground and said,

Hanuman, bring my ring. And when he went inside to find the ring of the subtle forms, then Ramji returned with Vishnunu form to Vaikuntha. Now here, Hanumanji reached a place where Sheshnag was sitting. Sheshnag saw him and asked him, what are you doing here Hanuman? He said, I have come looking for my Ram's ring.

Sheshnag started laughing. He asked, why are you laughing? He said, I am laughing because in all the worlds, Ram makes you fool like this. Every time a ring falls, he says, what is this? He said, turn around and see. So when Hanuman turned around, there was a mountain of the same kind of ring at the back. So, you understand multiverse, right?

There are many worlds going on. I get the idea that multiverse is likeaisa hai. Ice cream ke cone jaisa. Ki upar toh bhoot saare hain, lekin wo neeche pigal ke ek hi jagah paunch raha ho raha hai. Toh har baar ek Hanuman wahan paunchte hain ek angooti dhoondne. He used to say that you have to stay here. I give you the boon of immortality. Because when my last form, Kalki, comes, you have to stay here and support him.

So since then he has been here. Now there is a lot of discussion about Kalki Avatar. Yes, there is a lot going on these days.

We have seen the movie, Kalki was made.

Yes.

It was made. There are a lot of arguments, a and many things. Is it true or is it a story?

That it has been put in place, that live on hope that God will come. If you talk about any religious community, then everything is based on hope. But still in our religion, because many things have been practically also, like you mentioned God, that the name was also given, there was a logic behind it. So what was the logic behind yesterday'si and when did this story become famous? Whether we talk about Kalki or Dashavatar, or any form of it,

when Matsavatar did not come, the first Avatar, even then the people here knew that Matsavatar was going to come. Before Krishna came, the Akashvani happened. Before Ram came, it was known that Ram will come to kill Ravan. So, I believe that all this, I am not quoting any religious text and saying anything. That all these things have happened before.

Everything has happened. And this happens again and again. For example, you know how to play chess. In chess, the camel, the elephant, the horse, when they play chess, they get finished. I mean, the pawn is cut. So, we don't throw the pawn out of the window. We keep it aside. Then why do we keep it? Because when the whole game is over, we pick up all the pawns, put them in the chess box and close it.

Then we open the chess box, then the horse, the horses and put them in the box of chess and close it. Then we open the box of chess and everything is set again. There are four Yugas. Satyug, Treta, Dwapar, Kalyug. After Kalyug, Satyug comes again. So, if you look at my finger, from Satyug to Treta, Treta to Dwapar, Dwapar to Kalyug, after Kalyug, Satyug againug. So this shape is called Damru. So what is Shivji doing? He is just doing duk-duk-duk. Now if you quickly run the pen on this Damru shape,

100 times quickly, you will not know that its pointed corner has become circular. Because you are running it quickly. This is the infinity which has no end. After Kalyug, Satyug will come again. Then all those things will come again. Then Ram will come, then Krishna will come. Now this drumming Damru which I made into the shape of infinity, if you turn it and make it stand, then it will become an hourglass

from which sand is falling from top to bottom. So when sand is falling from top to bottom, what is sand? It is time. It is of one minute, sometimes ten minutes, of different sizes. But the work of hourglass is that in this much time this sand will fall down. So once the whole sand falls down, what do you do? Exactly. You flip it. So the one that was below, comes up and then the same.

So you are saying that like we are doing a podcast today, we will sit in the same way in some other century. Yes, I am saying exactly the same. It is possible that next time I will be Shubhankar Mishra and you will be Akshat Gupta. God forbid you have to bear what I have tolerated, but.

But, like this.

Everyone feels more pain for themselves.

Yes, it is true. Absolutely true. That's why I am saying that I don't want the sadness that I am feeling to fall on you. So everything will come back. Again Ram will come, again Krishna will come. So the people of that time who have survived the Pothi Puran of the last four eons, they tell in this era that this will happen in the future. Like I just mentioned the last Naag. So when the end of Kalyug will come, when Shivji's three eyes will open, everything will be destroyed.

In total, when the end of Kalyug comes, a few things will be left out of it, in which a snake will be left out. The remaining snake, that is called the remaining snake, on which Vishnu ji is sitting. Rest all the snakes will die.

The one remaining snake will be the remaining snake. You had told us a story had found a 15 feet long snake in Gujarat. Yes, 15 meters long. 15 meters long. 50 feet. I had found its remains. Is this true? India has found the world's largest snake.

Yes. Its name was given Vasuki Indicus. The researchers of our country gave it the name Vasuki Indicus. So I say, next time if someone tells you that you come from the land of snakes, don't feel bad. Take pride in it. Of course, I come from the land of snakes where Vasuki Indicus is the longest ever found remains of a snake. Who was Vasuki? King of snakes. King of snakes.

Where did he sit? On Lord Shiva's neck. So I said it just like that. You think that if Vasuki was 50 feet tall, who is the tallest in today's date, then Vasuki's weight would be equal to 50 feet. They would be dangerous and poisonous,

but they were so tall, so their weight would be equal. So, imagine the size of that shoulder, on which he would sit after doing the kundali. That was Lord Shiva. And imagine big size Nandi would be, on which Shiva would run with Vasuki with his horoscope. So people will say, he is saying something. Lion, the ancestor of the lion, did you get the lion, he used to say Sabertooth.

He was 3-5 times bigger than the lion, his teeth were this big. It is not a scientific proof, it is a lion. His teeth were this big. I am not talking about the air, it is scientifically proved that there are remains. Elephant. The ancestors of the elephant were Mehmed. And they were many times bigger than the current elephant. So, if I am able to prove that there were saber-toothed behind the lion and Mehmed behind the elephant, then there must be an ancestor of that saber-toothed too. there must be some ancestor of that Sabertooth.

There must be some ancestor of Mehmet. So, how will you deny me that the ancestor of Mehmet might be Hiraavat on whom Indra rides? How will you deny me that my Durga must be sitting on the ancestor of Sabertooth? It must be bigger than Sabertooth. So, if my Devi is sitting on it, what would be the size of Devi?

So this is scientifically half proven, but a sabre tooth would not have come from the air one day. A sabre tooth would be someone's child. Mehmed would also be someone's child. Okay, great. And which story of Ramayana do you think is the least popular but is a an important chapter? I am telling you what I am trying to say. You all have read a lot of Ramayana.

I will tell you a short Ramayana which neither you nor your viewers have heard. I have named it Seetayan.

Okay.

So, you think, it was said that Abla was there and this happened to him and that happened to him. He was kidnapped and taken away. I will show you a new version. You will enjoy it, I promise you that. And I have not read this anywhere. Whatever I can think of, I will convey you what I can think of. So, something like this happened that when Ravan went to Brahmaji to ask for a boon

that neither he could kill me, nor he could kill me, nor Gandhar could kill me, nor Dev could kill me, nor Rakshas could kill me, nor animals could kill me. He said everything. So, Brahmaji said, you said everything, but not the humans. So, Ravan said, what harm wo tuchh manav mera kya begaad lege. Contract mein pehla clause aagaya baba. Ki Ravan ko wo maar sakta hai jo ordinary ho. Extraordinary ho ga to nahi maar sakta. Manav ko tuchh ho na padega tabhi wo Ravan ko maar paayega. Correct? Yehi vardaan hai. To ab Vishnu ji ko Ram. When Vishnu ji will be coming here, because God knows what will happen next,

he must have understood that something has gone wrong. We have sent such a good man, a complete man of Ramcharitmanas, that he who is leaving his kingdom for his father's promise, will he go across the seven seas and attack the kingdom of kingdom. He won't. How can he do that? Everyone must have gone to Lakshmi ji. What happened? It happened like this. You are a very good man. He said, it's okay. It is written in the clause that the one who will kill,

that person has to be ordinary. But it's not written that people around him who are ordinary, they can be extraordinary. He said, yes, they can. He said, I will go as Sita. No, no, no, you don't go. Why? Because Ravan has controlled all the nine planets. You will be born from Yoni, your horoscope will be made,

it will change whenever it wants and will change your mind. ka dimaat phira dega. Bole itti si baat, main yoni se paida hi nahi hongi, main dharti se niklungi. Kaise bane ki kundli? Aur nikli. Janak ki dharti pe nikli, Janki ho gayi. 6 saal ki umar mein Parshuram pauche Pinaka dhanush, 21 baat karne ke baad jab unko samjhaayega So, he came to give the bow of Shiva to King Janak. Now, you think that Sita aka Lakshmi ji, who knows that she is Lakshmi, Ram did not know that she is Vishnu in her childhood. This thing needs to be understood. You see, Krishna has so many children.

Where is Ram's child? He is not there. Because Ram was an ordinary man. Surrounded with extraordinary people. So, they thought, Parashuram has come. This is the time. He picked up the bow with one hand. He said, put your statement. So, Parashuram said, whoever will put the bow, will be the right one for him.

This is special. A 6 year old girl who knows that she is a Goddess, like Krishna Balkanth, she raised her hand in front of Parashuram and said, Ram came on the day of Swaimvar, Ram broke the Pratyancha, all those things happened, Swaimvar happened, after Swaimvar, they came back, Dashrath said, we took this promise, and made a mistake.

We had promised Kekai to go to exile. At that time, Ramji had called Sitaji. It is written and shot that you are a princess, this is a promise on me. You stay in the palace. I will come back after the exile. She said, no, I will come with you.

Lakshman's wife didn't go, Urmila. When two men went, why didn't two women go? Urmila didn't go. Why didn't she go? That's a different story. I am not going into that. But Sita went.

Because Lakshmi knew that if she didn't go with them, how would the story go ahead? How would it reach Ravan? This ordinary man went. Now people say that she chased him behind a swan rig. That Sita who is 6 years old and carrying a pinaka, she wouldn't have known that swan rig doesn't exist.

A golden deer doesn't exist. She knew that a golden deer doesn't exist. That ordinary man didn't know that Ram doesn't have a golden deer. So, the wife was in her mouth. She said, I want it, so I want it. He said, oh, you saw it, you want it.

If you are saying, it will be there. I will go and find it. She went. Then Lakshman Ji pulled the Lakshman Rekha. Because while dying, Lakshman Lakshman shouted in the voice of Ram. Now, it didn't happen that Lakshman ran away. He was standing near Sita. Sita said, Bhai is calling you, why don't you go from here? Lakshman said, no, Bhai said,

stand for your protection, I won't go. So Sita, aka Lakshmi ji, insulted Lakshman. She insulted him. You coward, you are not going, you are talking big for your brother. Then Lakshman went with anger.

Now a new problem. Sita said, Lakshman went with anger. Now a new problem. Sita said, Lakshman pulled the line before leaving. Ravan came in the form of a Brahmin. Now Ravan is not able to cross him. I see this, Lakshmi ji thinks, I have to do everything. You stay there, you can't do it. I will come there. Sita went there. Now that Sita who was so innocent that she didn't know that if she crosses this, then Ravan has come in the form of Brahman. How did she know that as soon as Ravan started touching her,

Sita said, don't touch me. You have an old curse, a thousand pieces will go off your head if you touch a woman without permission. That's why without touching, he took Ravan. How? She went with him. Why did she go? If she doesn't go, how will Ram reach there? Now, as they were going, they thought, how will they find me? So, they started dropping things. They were dropping rings, rings. The monkeys brought rings and anklets

and showed them to Lakshmanji. Lakshmanji saw them and started crying. He said, where is my mother? We come from a culture where we never saw the face of our sister-in-law. Lakshman never saw Sita ji's face. He recognized her by her feet, sandals and anklets. So he started crying and said, where is my sister-in-law? Just think, when did a sister-in-law become a sister-in-law?

How did this happen? Oh, sister-hi jaan! Since when did your culture change? Bhabhi was like a mother. Anyway, I can tell you a lot of things in this. There is a word in this which we have said a couple of times. Obviously, not everyone knows everything.

I don't know everything either, but we will come to that. Now, they reached there. They were brought leya ke Ashok Bhatika mein rakha ke. Hanuman paunche the na? Ki hai mate, chaliye main aapko le chalta hu. Seeda boliye, main nahi jaungi. Ram hi aayenge le. Kyuki agar Because if I go with you, then Ram's program of coming here will be cancelled. So the purpose of this whole game will be defeated. Because there will be no war with Ravan. After that Ram came and Ravan was killed. Now if you see this whole story,

then the line, यदा यदा धर्मस्य गलानी बहुती भारत ता Bharata, Abhyuthanan Dharmase, Tadatmanam Srijamya. In that, the visual you see is that Arjun is standing on a chariot and Krishna is sitting in the place of the charioteer. If you add this line to my story, you will see Ram in place of Arjun and Sita in place of Krishna. This story seems like Sita to me. This is Sita.

Beautiful story. I mean, this version is also a beautiful story. I mean, this version is a beautiful story. to which was so well-known in the language of speaking that in this podcast I think you have spoken twice. That word is woman.

Yes.

You have spoken twice. You have a phone in your hand. If you want, you can google it later. Like the word of English is bark. Bark also means barking. Recently someone told me in anger that I can only speak when you will stop barking. I was very hurt. So one is barking bark. The other is the main word of the tree. That is also called bark. One word is Dafa. Dafa. Dafa is in two or three ways.

One is how many times the heart said, how many times the heart heard. One is Tajarat-e-Hind. And one is Dafa. It has three meanings of Dafa. How many times did the heart say, how many times did the heart hear? Once, the traders of India. And one is, get lost from here. That one time has three meanings. The word woman has no other meaning, except one. The only meaning.

And that is, no reason. The woman's secret is called a woman. And we use this word. We don't even know.

I will search.

Please do. Oh my God! You are telling a very dangerous thing. Yes. So all the viewers who are listening, especially women, if a man around you uses this word, stop him. Tell him that we don't want to hear this. But in the dictionary, it says Nari Stree.

No, no. Look at its literal meaning.

Nagnata.

You will get it properly. Jannaang, Dosh and Nagnata.

Look at it.

Now think that because of this word, even today in such countries... Yes, what you were saying, the word aurat has originally come from Arabic, aurah which means fault, imperfect, secret, yonang, janang. Not a single word is good, right? Then? So when you were getting this word from Arab countries, and you see what the condition of women in those countries is.

They are not allowed to do only one thing. No, according to their thinking, their only job is to give birth to children and they have no other work. They are not allowed to study, they are not allowed to travel, they cannot remove their burqa, in many countries, a woman without a man can't go out alone. She can't drive a car. I don't know what else.

The word you use, your perspective will be like that. You can't help it. So when the word woman was coming from Arab countries, at the same time, from France, you got the word madam. Madam means, there women are called Mademoiselle for giving respect. This is the word. Madam was called for those women who used to do business of their own to run their own house. Prostitutes.

That was Madam. In today's date, in our schools, good morning madam, good afternoon madam, good evening madam, morning, good afternoon, good evening, good night. Everyone is calling each other madam. They are calling the officials madam. When the word madam came from France, we adopted it. When the word woman came from Arab, we adopted it.

At that time, in your country, in our country, a stranger was called Devi ji. Even today, in Mr. Bachchan's VC, we say Dhanyav Devi ji. Leaving that word, we have used this word. But in today's date, if a woman is roaming in a mall, thinking of getting down on the escalator, and is confused whether to go to the lower floor or take another round on this floor,

and a man like me, wearing a kurta, will come and say, excuse me, Devi ji. So that woman will first turn around and say, you fool. Do I look like a Devi ji to you? I am giving you respect and you don't want it. So this is our shortcoming. There is a word, mythology.

I will come to mythology separately. I am focusing on this a little. Have faith. I know that I will leave this world one day while barking. And it is okay. Everyone has to leave. If all the men in this country, except for the words madam and woman, start using the word Devi ji,

there will be a decrease in rape in your country. I am saying this with a lot of responsibility and a lot of thinking.

Why are you saying this?

I am saying this because what comes out of your mouth, when you call someone a mother, your eyes automatically get fixed. With that woman. Why did you become so dramatic when a statement came out about parents? You give someone the status of a mother, that is why you to a mother. That's why you used to consider your sister-in-law as a mother. That she shouldn't be seen from the wrong perspective. Because the age gap between two brothers can be very small. Now in that house, your elder brother's wife who is living there,

may be two or three years younger than the younger brother. Because the age gap between husband and wife was more. That's why you was banned. That you can't see from the wrong perspective. And it wasn't seen. I am saying this because if the whole society and our country starts calling unknown women as goddesses, then a woman who is standing at the traffic signal will stop you and say, that you are going wrong. You are breaking the signal.

You will see Saraswati in that. She is teaching you something. You won't see less clothes or anything else in the air hostess's dress. She will serve you food in the flight. You will see incompleteness in it. You won't see a woman going to work in a purse hanging in a small dress. You won't see thin beautiful legs. You will see that she is a Goddess. She will earn money and bring it home.

And if you still have an eye, believe me, this Saraswati, this Anpurna and this Lakshmi haven't shown you the form of Kali and Durga on the road, then you talk. There is another word, princess. Papa ki Pari, princess. I do this in my talk shows. I will do it with you too. We are not doing it for too long. I will say this word bolunga, princess. Aap 5 second, 4 second ke liye aag bandh kijiye. Mereko batayega ki aapko kya dikha? Princess. Main aapko batata hu, mota-mota waisi ho, exact nahi hoga. Baby pink color ka ek lamba sa frill wala frog pehni hui, ek khubsurat si chhui mui si ladki, jo ek chariot se,

ek rat se utarne ki koshish kar rahi hai, par koshish kar rahi utar nahi paari hai. Hai na, wo aise, ek tang aise kar ke apna dress pakdi hui hai. Doosra haath uska aisa hai yaha pe rassi chal rahi hai. Kyuki uniform hai, rassi ka kuch role hai. Aur wo aise haath badhaaya ho gayi, aao yeh rath se jo tum ek sidi nahi kyon aapko Jhansi ki Rani dikhegi. Jabki Jhansi ki Rani bolte the, Rajkumari toh hum bolte bhi nahi

the. Aapko dikhega ek haath mein talwar, ghode pe baithi hui, haath mein her as delicate and as weak. Then she will come home crying that someone has teased me. Tell her that you are a princess. She will come with a broken face. If someone misbehaves. So, we have to do all this. Mythology. Have you heard the word mythology with any religion other than Hinduism? Islamic mythology, Christian mythology, Sikh mythology, Buddha mythology, Jain mythology.

Nothing. You yourself became obsessed with Hindu mythology? How? If you are teaching your children that Hindu mythology is Ramayana and Mahabharata, when they grow up, how will you tell them, come on Ayodhya, Prana Pratishthan has taken place and bow down in front of the idol.

He will say, boss, first you decide, you are very confused people. Pran Pratishthan hua hai aur moorti ke aage maatha teko. Woh lega boss pehle tum log decide kar lo, tum log bade confused logon. Kyuki mythology shabd aata hai mithya se. Mithya, kalpana, jhoot, fiction. To agar aap hi bol rahe hain ki Ramayana Mahabharata mithya hai, They were real. So they became Satya. Although I think a lot of things have changed in the last few years. We are trying to change.

A lot of things have changed.

So we will have to stop saying mythology and say Satyalogy.

Absolutely right.

Sir, apart from Ramayana, you have talked a lot about Mahabharata. And Mahabharata is one of my favorite characters.

Karan.

Karan.

I used to get very serials. Whether I watched Maa Bharat or Karn, there was a show on DDE. I remember the lyrics of the song. Maharathi Karn is greater than the great. And that episode was made very beautifully.

And I used to watch it with great enthusiasm. Now, regarding the character of Karn, overall, I always had a question in my heart, that was it wrong with Karan, or was it Karan who did wrong? Was Karan a very big underrated hero of Mahabharata, because of which he didn't get the credit?

And why was Karan's head so wrong? Where was he wrong? Because if I had seen my life journey in his place, the way he lived, then maybe I would have done the same thing he did. So how was it wrong?

You have already answered this question yourself, in this podcast. You said that you are right in your place, I am right in my place. The whole conflict is there. That if you are wrong in my eyes and I am wrong. The whole conflict is there. If in my opinion you are wrong and in your opinion I am wrong,

then only we will fight. So Karan was right in his place. But in the eyes of others, the side they were standing on, one view is that, I mean both these things are opposing each other. But this is the truth. That on one hand, you will see, Duryodhan, who made Anga the king of the country, was his best friend. He maintained that friendship and stayed with him all his life.

When the world denied you, questioned your existence, insulted you, looked at you with a dark eye, you went to get married, you were not even allowed to participate in the competition, your caste was criticized, you were mocked, you were made fun of. If someone supported you at that time, then in his good or bad, supporting him is friendship, this is also a religion.

Absolutely, it is a religion. Then why was he called an unrighteous person? Because he was standing towards the unrighteous. But friendship is also a religion. Friendship is a religion, but overall... And he was killed by the unrighteous.

I have never been able to accept that the way Lord Krishna was killed by deceit, I still have questions about that. Why was it done? Because I see there, if the fight was of a man, then he was allowed to fight. The one who won was Sikander. A person has struggled all his life.

He has meditated all his life. You insulted him. At that time, God did not come. Many times we are told that when we were crying. Yes, or when the Chir Haran had happened, then he came, why not at that time?

He could have come at that time too. Why didn't he come at that time? And if he didn't come, and it was the story of Paurush, why the greatest Arjun? Why not? Why not let Karn become great? It could be the turn of a lover too. Yes. The question is absolutely correct. Why couldn't Kunti say this to her sons as a mother?

She could have said it later.

She could have said it later. No, no, during the war, that you kill, you injure. I feel very disappointed about Karn. And I feel that he is the voice of the oppressed people of the society has been neglected. The pain that you were telling in the beginning,

I feel that pain in Karan's story as well. The question is absolutely correct. But whatever you said, I will show you two new perspectives. Through small stories. You said that why did Krishna kill by deceit? Why did Krishna kill by deceit. Why did Krishna kill by deceit,

his story, why did he kill Karna by deceit, his story goes in Ramayan. From where we are coming. So Bali and Sugriv were two brothers. Ramji supported Sugriv and Bali had the ability that he will take away half of his power. So, it was impossible to defeat him. Bali defeated Ravan. I remember that. Bali defeated Ravan. And before leaving, he had told Ram that if you had been my friend,

I would have thrown Ravan at your feet. What have you done? But he had promised Sugriv that I will support you. So Ram had shot an arrow by mistake. Bali died from that arrow. So Maryadapur Shottam Ram has one thing attached to him that he killed Bali in a wrong way. Now when this is all over, then we talked about how Hanuman Ji was given a ring and Ram reached Vaikunth Dham in Vishnu form. When he reached Vaikunur Dham, he got angry with Surya and Indra.

He said, we will not play, they are fools. He said, I have lived my life, I am still losing, let me rest a little. What happened to you people? He said, no, you went there, you spoiled our game. He said, I did not understand. Then they came to know that Sugriv was the player of Surya and Bali was the player of Indra. And Indra's victory was confirmed because Bali could not lose.

And Sugriv's defeat was confirmed because of which Surya would have lost. But God would have come and done this only, table stand. He came and turned it around. Whoever was supposed to win, lost. Whoever was supposed to lose, won. Then Vishnu ji understood that Ravanwala was playing big and ruined their game. So, we feel that we are doing a lot in life. We are a video game in someone else's hands.

The game is different. We are just pawns. So, Vishnu ji said, no problem. Next time I will go, I will balance it out. Next time...

You will correct the wrong with the wrong.

I will balance out. I will one all your game. Now it is 1-0 because of me. I will one all this. Next time he has become Krishna. This time he became Suryaputra Karna and Indraputra Arjun. This time they supported Indraputra Arjun against Suryaputra Karna. And just like they were deceived,

this time the other party is being deceived and the balance is going up. This is a different game. That is fine, but I feel that we have permission in our religion to raise questions on our religion. Which is not allowed in other religions. And this is what makes our religion beautiful.

So when I, a Brahmin, a believer, do my dharma gurgaan day and night, I get questions from time to time. So I feel this story is like the story of America today. That the one who is standing with America,

is right.

It is the same there. That America chose Sugriv, and Sugriv became right. Bali will also have a story was also not as viral. True.

It's a similar story.

The saying is, history is written by victors.

Yes.

If Pandavas had lost and Kauravas had won, then you and I would have been worshipping Shakuni instead of Krishna. Because Shakuni was doing the same work as Krishna. History is written by victors.

Shakuni is made into Russia.

Interesting.

Think about it.

This is too deep.

No, it's very simple. There's a story behind it. Shakuni's character is also shown in movies as very smart, cunning, evil. Shakuni also used to keep smiling. Yes. There's a lovely story behind it. I heard it from Sadguruji for the first time. Chalak, Dushyat. Shrakuni bhi lagatar muskurate rahate the. To iske peeche badi pyari se ek kahaani hai jo maine pehle baar Satguru ji se suni thi.

Ki Shrakuni jo the, ek to Gandhar Narish the, to unko ek baat ka to yeh problem tha ki andhe se meri bhen ki shadi karadi. Gandhari was a Manglik. This was hidden from her. So, at that time, when a guest comes to you, you, the host,

you have to grant whatever he offers you. Whether he offers you good or bad, more or less. So, Bheeshma Pitamah called the entire family of Shakuni in anger. He called the entire family of Gandhari and asked him to come as a guest. As soon as he came, he put everyone in jail. Gandhar Naresh Saheet, in which the Prince of Gandhar, Shakuni was also there. And he was given a handful of rice daily to eat among everyone.

How will so many people eat with a handful of rice? Gradually, they started perishing. So, everyone decided together that to keep our next prince alive, let him eat a handful of rice. We will die anyway, let's die. Everyday people died in front of Shakuni's eyes.

This is before the Mahabharata started. And Shakuni was watching his relatives die. In the end, two people survived, Gandhar Narish and Shakuni, father and son. Then father said, come here, I have to give you a gift. So when they came near, now they are going to die, Gandhar Narish is going to die. They are old and malnourished.

They put all their strength in their legs and kicked Shakuni's knee. And Shakuni's knee broke. In a scream of pain, he said, what have you done? I am your son. He said, you are such a big Yash that when you will leave from here, you will forget what happened to you and us every day. You will again get stuck in playing cards and gambling.

That's why I broke your legs. Remember every step you take, what this Kuru dynasty did to the entire Gandharva people. First thing. Second, now I am giving you a gift that after my death, you can make a passa of my bones. Whatever you ask for, it will come.

Those were the same passas in which the Pandavas were losing everything. So, if you are talking about the present, if you see Mahabharata from the perspective of Shakuni, then you will also feel that Shakuni was right in his place. Because he had only one agenda that I will destroy this entire dynasty. He did it. So, the side you are standing on, you will see it right.

The side you are standing against, you will see it wrong. This is the beauty of the whole Mahabharata. The ones who killed Bishpita Ma, I am forgetting the name, but Shikhandi. Shikhandi. You see the backstory of Shikhandi. You see the backstory of Shikhandi. The story goes on Amba Ambika Ambalika. And you will feel that Shikhandi did the right thing. That he killed Bheeshma Pitha Maa.

Because in his previous birth, he did wrong. If you see the story of killing Dronacharya, you will know that what Drupad did was right. Because he had promised his father that he will kill Dronacharya. So, he was also doing his duty towards his father. The one who was playing Ram, was playing Drupad. That it was wrong with my father, I had promised him, I will finish him.

Ashwatthama's story is also like that. Ashwatthama's story is also like that. He was a good son, he was a good commander, he was an excellent archer, he was no less than anyone. After that, he was fighting properly, even though he was fighting on the side of Adharma. But he was fighting properly until he found out how his father was killed by deceit. Ashwatthama Hatohata. And this is a wonderful story that when this happened, that Ashwatthama Hatohata reached Dronacharya,

Dronacharya said, I will not believe it. He was my son and my disciple. He can't die. He can't lose. If only one person says, I will believe it. Yudhishthir. Because Yudhishthir used to speak the truth. Do you know whose form Yudhishthir is? He is the form of Yamraj. Yudhishthir is the incarnation of Yamraj. So, he went to Yudhishthir. Now Yudhishthir didn't lie. Then Krishna cheated him. Krishna said that he can't teach them to lie now. But do one thing, when they speak,

wherever I give the signal, everyone should chant the shankhnaath of victory. Dronacharya reached and said, Hey Yudhishthir, everyone is saying that Ashwatthama was coming. If you say, I will agree. So Yudhishthir said, Guruji, it is true that Ashwatthama was killed. He did like this. Everyone started shankhnaath. After that, the statement was that, but the Ashwatthama who died, is not your son, but

an elephant. He did not let Dronacharya's ears reach that half of the thing. That is why even today we say that whoever what anyone says, your work statement, but, but, but, but, but, but, the line after that,

That's important.

Second half statement only. You are a very good man, Shubhankar.

But?

But I won't be able to keep you at work. Your work will say that you are not giving me work. Your story is very good, Akshat film's. But we won't be able to do it. No matter how good it is, if you are not doing it, then... So, the line after Par, that was a big blow. Now, you talked about Kunti.

No, we will talk a little more about Ashwathama. Ashwathama is a very fascinating character.

I find two characters very interesting.

One of Karan and one of Ashwthama. Now you were talking about Ashwatthama. After that, the way Dronacharya was killed, that he put his weapon and then his throat was cut. When Ashwatthama came to know about this, then the Guru who had taught that never cheat in war, who was also his father, you have killed him by deceit. So you have shaken my whole brought up.

You have shaken my whole beliefs. So then the saying that, pura brought up hi hila diya na aapne. Main toh pura beliefs hila diya aapne. Toh phir woh jo kahawat hai ki chaur ke ghar chori chori nahi hira pheri hai. Toh phir baad mein Ashwathama ne kya kya? Raat ko jaa ke ek tent jalaya. Uska maana tha ki paancho Pandav soya hoya hoya hui. But who started breaking the rules? Pick any character from the negative side.

Then Ashwathama was cursed.

Then Ashwathama was cursed. Duryodhana got heaven first. Yes, this is also a very surprising thing. How did Duryodhana get heaven? Duryodhana got heaven because he was killed. He was killed by deceit.

One, he was killed by deceit. Second, his body could not become of a, he was also beaten with a whip.

Yes, he was also beaten with a whip.

No, even after that, they were told to beat him here and there. So, Bhim was helped from outside. He got heaven because from birth to death, he was adamant that he wanted what he wanted. He never changed. You saw Arjun, he used to death. He was adamant on this. He said, I want what I want. He never changed. You see Arjun, he used to change. When he got into the war, he said, I won't kill my relatives.

Then I had to come to Gita Sahib to explain to him. Right? He used to be the same all the time. Except for this one Duryodhan, who never changed. He neither eats nor drinks, whatever we say is right. Khata na bahi, jo hum bole wahi sahi. Mereko sihasan chahiye aur ek sui ke nok barabaar jameen nahi dena chahata hoon. Janam se leh ke mirti takmein Pandavon ko haraunga, marunga aur yeh sihasan mera hai, us ek cheez pe adik rahe ke mar gaya hua aadni. Swarg pradhan hua uske. on their words. They are so focused. You make a hundred mistakes, you do one right thing.

You were saying the same thing about Kunti, about Triadrapati.

While walking like this, there are quotes that go from one mouth to another. I had heard somewhere from a priest that this saying that the women's stomachs cannot digest the conversation. We have all said, heard, laughed that women are not able to digest. Someone had told me that Yudhishtir had cursed his mother Kunti. Because when people came back after killing Karna, they were very happy and Kunti was crying.

So these five Pandavas came and said that today was the most difficult day. If Karna was alive, we could never have won. Today we killed Karna. You should be happy that your five children are alive. Why are you crying? That day, Kunti was crying and saying that he was your elder brother. You were five and not six. In the midst of that, in grief, Yudhishtir, his elder son, cursed Kunti. That from today on I curse that there will be no more

women's stomach. Whatever you have will come out. So that is going on. It's a story. A cute story. Who is your hero? If you have to choose one hero in Mahabharata, who is it? Who will you hero in Mahabharata, who is it? Who will you choose to watch Mahabharata?

Ved Vyas.

I am saying this after a lot of thought. I will tell you Shubhankar bhai, as an author, as a writer, whatever we write on the pages, we have thought a lot about it. Which we don't write. That maybe the audience is not ready for it. Or it will become over complicated. We understand it, but it will become over complicated. So we simplify a lot of things and write it down so that people can understand.

And we don't write a lot of things. So the things that you get written on the pages, at least 30-40% of it is something that never comes out. If I can meet any character, not even Krishna, I would like to meet Ved Vyasa. Guruji, give me the one that you haven't written. I will write it.

And what characters would have been there who have seen the whole of Mahabharata. And the one who is in Chiranjeevi's, he is still there. Ved Vyas's name is in all the Chiranjeevi's.

What was the purpose of their life? To write the story.

What was the purpose after that? Any film will be made without a story. Writing a story is a big purpose.

You wrote the story, Mahabharat. After writing, you lived your life. Like Ashwatthama, Shrappaghe, Samajmayan Hanuman.

So, what is the purpose of those films? Read The Hidden Hindu. Because I have brought back the seven Chiranjeevis in the story of 2021-23. There is a temple named after Shakuni. Is there a temple named after Shakuni or Ravan? Ravan is in Greater Noida, in our neighborhood.

In Bisrak, UP. Ravan's temple is in Bisrak. I think this was named after him in Greater Noida. It is a very famous story.

I haven't been there. I will go one day.

Take this with you. It is very famous. People like it here.

I have heard about Shakuni, but I have not been there.

Why is Lanka not a proof of what it was? And why don't people in Sri Lanka ask about Ravan? No, but in Sri Lanka, Ravan is not yet mentioned. Yes, but of course, this is not Sri Lanka. But if it is, it is somewhere in the South.

But what we show, that we went to Rameshwaram, because the bridge is there, then Sri Lanka is there. Yes, but according to the scriptures, this is not Sri Lanka, it is a different Lanka. There is no proof of that, where was the golden Lanka, what was it, how was it? And how will the golden Lanka burn? It will melt. It might have melted. It will burn all the gold.

In stories, you have to give some discount. There were many other stories. We will talk about the Nagas. Who is the biggest culprit in Mahabharata? This is also an interesting question. Who do you consider to be the culprits? If we look at it from different perspectives, who can we consider to be the culprits? Not just one, but who can we consider to be the culprits in Mahabharata?

Except for a few characters, everyone. I keep saying that no one loves Gandhi and no one hates Hitler. You will find people who love Hitler and people who hate Gandhi. If you look at Gandhari, Krishna was also wrong. Gandhari had cursed Krishna in the end that your family will not prosper. So, Krishna was also wrong in a way. And that's why he was shot in the leg.

He was also killed by deceit. He was also killed. He also died. There is a very interesting story behind this. When the tribal woman came running to see where my arrow was shot, she understood that I had killed Krishna. So, she was worried that I had committed a sin by killing Krishna. I was worried that I committed a sin. So Krishna told him at the age of 126 that you are not committing a sin.

This is my karma which is cutting my sin. This is the arrow which I had shot on Bali in the form of Ram. In the previous birth you were Bali. That arrow came and hit me. So what I had given, it came back to me. So don what I had given him, he returned it to me. So, don't live in this guilt that you have committed a sin.

Do you believe in karma?

I believe in it a lot.

What you give to the society, it will come back.

It will come. Why not? It will definitely come. And it will come in every way, not just good or bad. Sometimes, it even goes bad in the process to do good. Do you believe in numbers? I don't understand it much, but I find it interesting. Like the incident that happened in Ahmedabad flight to London. In that incident, the former Chief Minister of Gujarat, Vijay Rupani,

was quoted as saying that he loved 1206. And 1206 was the number of his cars. He had many cars.

He had a two-wheeler number.

Yes, 1206. He had a two-wheeler number. He used 1206 in many other homes where numbers were used. One specific number. He boarded the flight at 12 o'clock. He checked in. they board the flight, check in and on 12th or 6th, the plane crashes and they die.

Is this just a coincidence or there could be some number game behind this? There should be a coincidence because if there was a number game, then so many people together, not everyone could have the same number. But I keep talking about 9, in conjunction with Hindutva. And you see, it is a coincidence that the total of 1206 is also 9. 1, 2 and 6. I believe that in Hindu religion, every person has a lot of importance of 9. When a child is born, he stays in his mother's womb for nine months.

He stays for a little less, but the line of speaking is nine months. From there the cycle of nine starts. See, the nine planets that make your horoscope are nineau Durga, Nau Ras, aur aage aayenge aap toh kuch bhi aap chahe ghar, koi naya ghar bana ke gareeb pravesh karte hai toh Nau Ghara ki shanti karte hai. Toh Nau ke phair mein hum sab logon ka jeevan hamisha hi faasa rata hai, aisa Now this is also 9. Not only bad, but good is also 9. You see, the mala we chant has 108 beats. 8 and 9. We were talking about Mahabharata, there are 18 chapters.

8 and 9.

The total shloka in Gita has 9. The 4 yugas, the years, the millions of years, the yugas, the total of the past, the centuries of the past, the centuries of the past, the centuries of the past, the centuries of the past, the centuries of the past, the centuries of the past, the centuries of the past, the centuries of the past, the centuries of the past, the centuries of the past, the centuries of the past, the centuries of the past, the centuries of the past, the centuries of the past, the centuries of the past, the centuries of the past, the centuries of the past, the centuries of the past, the centuries all the numbers around you, but 9 is a little different. Today is 13th, 13th June. But it won't be on this. It won't be on this. But 9 is not only at the level of spirituality. On the other hand, if you look at it mathematically, 9 is the only number in which 9, 1's are 9's and 9, 10's are 90's. The equals to all of them is 9. 9, 18, 27, 36.

You keep going. The total of that side is 9. You can take any shape, when we used to study geometry, like if we talk about a circle, 90 degrees, it is 9. Half of 90 is 45, it is 9. Double of 90 is 180. Double of 360 is 9.

And it is not just circular. Cylindrical, triangular, rectangle, square. All of them have 9. So 9 is something else. Sir, you have written a book on Naga Sadhus. We call Nagasadhus the army of Lord Shiva. As far as I have read, Shankaracharya ji had formed this army. First, let me understand Shankaracharya ji. He is a very interesting character for me.

About whom there is not much information on social media. In our present religion, what is the role of Shankaracharya in our current religion? What did Shankaracharya do for which we should remember him? Shankaracharya did the work of connecting Kashmir to Kanyakumari alone, at a very young age. He died at the age of 21 or 22.

I am talking about the 14th century at that time. He am talking about 14th century.

Maybe in 30 years.

I am not able to tell exactly. Because it has been a long time since I wrote a book. And there is a lot of data. It can be a number of times. He died at a very young age. He died at a very young age.

And he has a very beautiful temple of Shankaracharya in Kashmir.

Even now.

And a very big temple in Cochin. Of Shankaracharya. And there is a big temple in Cochin. Today, the films like Kashmir Files, which you and I are trying to understand, or the film which was killed in Pahalgam, that person understood all this so many centuries ago. He understood that in the future,

not only the Shastrath. Two people will not stop after arguing. Along with Shastras, weapons will also be needed. So, at that time, they had formed this army. They saw that the king, or any person, is ready to fight for his society, his land, his kingdom, his women, or for his wealth.

Nobody is ready to fight for religion. So he created the Naga Sadhus, assuming that this is an army for the protection of religion. There are more than 4 lakh registered Naga Sadhus in your country. Government registered Naga Sadhus. There is no army as big as the army of your religion.

But what would they do? You kept fighting.

Whenever needed. I had just been to Guwahati. A Naga sadhu was sitting with me in the front line. And he was sitting with a fursa. And there were so many big bureaucrats sitting there. He was made to sit in the front lane. He was sitting with a real fursa.

So, he is in between you. And that day he gave a big speech in the interview in the news channels. When he was asked, he said that in schools, in Hindu schools, weapons should be distributed and you should train the footballers and all in the sports hours. You should train them to use weapons. You will need it very soon. And I agree with this.

Because in the US, you don't get open arms and guns easily. It's okay, there people are shot and killed in a wrong way. But then you stop making matches, because it starts a fire. What all will you stop? Otherwise, you can start everything. Gandhi ji, Gandhi ji told us, sorry I am getting a little into the subject but it is connected. Gandhi ji told us that non-violence is the

supreme religion. We were taught in textbooks that we gained independence on the power of non-violence. This is wrong, this is a lie. This is a complete lie. You think, Mr. Shubhankar, that the moment we believe in our hearts and minds that non-violence is right and violence is wrong. Ranveer Hooda also said this. He was sitting here. He said that you won't get a toffee from non-violence. Ask and see.

I am saying that if you start believing non-violence to be the truth, then you won't even know that subconsciously youly denied all your deities. You can decide whether Gandhi is right or the deities are right, because every deity of yours has weapons in their hands. What are you trying to say? That your deities are wrong? And which civilization in the world has been alive by joining hands? Who has not fought for their existence? civilisation haath jod ke zinda raha hai? Kaun nahi ladha aapne astitva ke liye? Kya bewakoofana baat hai yeh? Aap kya bol rahe hain ki Subhash Chandra Bose aur Bhagat Singh aur

baaki logon ne kuch nahi kiya? Aap akele kar rahe the. Chaar log kamre pe bethe aur bole not a father. A country has children and no country has a father. The mother of our country, which we call the mother of India, is a thought, not a face. You want to make a living man or woman the father and mother of a country. What are you trying to say? That the day Gandhi died, the whole country became orphaned? Is this what you are saying? What kind of thinking is this and where are you taking me? How is this possible? How long will I take this?

How did you teach non-violence? If you have four people sitting in a room and you say, you are the father of the country from today. If they like it, they will say, I am the father, you are my younger brother, you are the uncle of the country. Make him Subhash Chandra, elder father.

Then if you are the father, make him the mother. If you are the uncle, make him the aunt. Then make the whole family of the country. Where is the rest? With the mind, just like that. Where was it written that we will do this? Which proposal was approved?

Where did it written that they will do this? Which proposal was approved? Where did it happen? That father of the nation? It didn't happen. Why would I accept this? I don't have two fathers. I have only one. His name is Shri Ajay Gupta. I am proud of him. What kind of a thing is this?

Okay, what you are saying is practically right.

If you feel that one person has to be credited for this, no, no, Akshat, one person has to be credited for the independence of the country. I will give it to Hitler. And I am speaking logically, if you have to give credit to one person for the independence of your country, you should give credit to Hitler.

He was fighting against the whole world from there. He weakened Britain, England so much that they understood that we will not be able to rule over India for a long time because we have become so weak. We have to focus on defeating Hitler. That's why we will not be able to stop this country from freedom. Otherwise, what do we think that the British came here and slapped on one cheek, maine doosra badaya aur wo maarte maarte 200 saal tak phir thak gaye. Phir unhone aapas mein baat ke humare haath dukh na lag gaye, maarte maarte chalo apne of the country's freedom. And if you have to give, then give it to the person because of whom they really became weak and left you.

So if you give him credit, then you will go into non-violence. So then my deities are right. That you will have to fight, die and take your right and your freedom. And if everything was so good, then what happened in Pahalgam? What happened in Kashmir? What happened in Bengal? What is happening in Kerala? I am repeating it again and again. We achieved peace here by fighting. The attack that we did. Now what happened in Pahalgam, they want that Hindu Pahalgam and Kashmir should not come. I am saying that all the bikers, Spiti Valley and Leh Ladakh, you can go there later. Everyone should make their own group. Go to Kashmir to travel.

All the big brands and companies that send their dealers to Indonesia, Bangkok and Thailand as a reward. Send them to Kashmir. Send them to Kashmir. Let us see how many times we are ready to die. They want us to not come out of fear. I am a Hindu, I will go to Kashmir and kill Hindus. You are not going there and winning. The Kapal Indore incident, the Sonam incident,

earlier Kashmir was going to go. They cancelled it and went there. So, this is not a solution that if you are killing Hindus in Kashmir, you will not go to Kashmir. If they kill you in your own house, will you leave your house away from home? I will go to Kashmir. And when I say all this, my people, my team says, keep quiet, don't speak. So, Kanhaiya Kumar didn't say anything in Jaipur.

He was a poor tailor. He just put a status, I support Nupur Sharma. Two people entered, his throat was separated from his body. Very unfortunate incidents that happened in that era. I remember this name because, I don't remember many names, Shubhankar bhai. I remember this name because the day I heard this incident, I thought I will speak.

Because the people who went to Pahalgam, they didn't speak. They didn't speak like Akshat Gupta, with a camera. So are they alive? They died. So this is not a guarantee that if I stay quiet, I will not die. And if I have to die, I will speak and die.

Umesh Maharaj died. Many people died. We raised our voices for him. Anyway, sir, we were on Naga sadhus. We will discuss politics some other day, sitting in peace. Naga sadhu, sir.

There are more than 4 lakh Naga sadhus in your country. They will come when needed. They have come before as well. Naga sadhus have fought many wars before. I have discussed the entire war in my book. It is in two parts. It is called The Naga Warriors. Both parts have been published in English, one in Hindi and the other will be published soon. It is being released by the end of this month.

I have discussed the 19 incarnations of Lord Shiva in the book. Once, in Gokul, Naga Sadhu, Ahmed Shah Abdali, the thief, attacked. Because he believed that there there is a temple, there are a lot of treasures and where there are treasures, we will steal, loot and create havoc. He did not know that there was a small congregation of Nagas and Sadhus. So, he did not know that

there was a congregation and these Nagas and Sadhus did not know that an attack was going to happen.

I read about it. They had put up a banner.

All of them died on our side. But Ahmed Shah Abdali couldn't break the temple and couldn't loot it. Even today, the old temples that are standing in Gokul, are standing because of those 100-150 Nagasadhus. They didn't have weapons. They had brought weapons from the temples. The weapons that you saw in the RRR film, in the climax,

that Ramji's bow and arrow. They did this in the 17th century. If it is Hanumanji's temple, then one Naga sadhu is fighting with a donkey. If it is Kalima's temple, then one Naga sadhu is fighting with a sword.

They brought whatever they got and fought with it from the temples. And the Gokul that is standing today, is because of the Nagasadhus. What is the biggest myth about the Nagasadhus? There is a slight difference between the Nagasadhus and Aghoris. The Nagasadhus do not do any black magic, tantra mantra, sitting in the cremation ground.

They live in clean places, in the mountains, in the jathas, in the akhadas. ek jaisi nahi, ek jaisi nahi. Ek to yeh hai ki Naga sadhu ko aap Aghoriyon se confuse na karein. Doosra Naga sadhu teen chaar cheezein lekeke chalte hain. Ek kapda. Ek sabse bada mith hai ki Naga sadhu matlab nanga. Aisa nahi hai. Kuch sampraday hai jisme Naga sadhu banne mein aapko nagnavasta mein rhena padta hai. Lekin Naga sadhu ka matlab sirf nagnavasta who wear a single piece of clothing. But they do. You will find weapons with everyone. They carry it with them and worship it. They beg from seven houses every day.

If they get food from seven houses, they eat it. If they don't get it, they sleep hungry. They lead a very difficult life. They don't sleep on the bed, they sleep on the floor. This is the kind of life we live the floor. We live like this. We are devotees of Shivji.

There is a big difference between Aghoris and Nagasadhus. Aghoris are trying to attain Shiv in their own way. Nagasadhus believe that they have already attained Shiv. They are the army of Shiv. And they fight with this in mind.

Why do they milk the Shivalingas? I had made a video on this earlier.

It was quite popular. But what is the reason in your opinion? First I will tell you about water. The story that they stopped Halahal in Kandh. After that, they were very much... They were very he had a lot of penance. Because he was by the sea, all the deities and all the demons had poured water on him to keep him cool.

So that's why we offer water. He likes milk a lot. On top of that, specifically, a story, you tell me, I don't have much attention on this.

I will make a video on this and send it to you. Send it. I am not very interested in this.

I will make a video on this and send it to you. I will send it in detail. We have kept a rapid fire question. And we will see what is your choice.

Who did Mahabharata go wrong with? Ashwatthama or Karna?

Karna. Karna.

Why? I don't remember. In the last episode, there were a few things. With Karan, his life, from his birth to his death, was continuously wrong. That's why Karan. Who was the most just Guru in Kripacharya and Dronacharya? Dronacharya.

Ok.

Why don't people keep the names of their children as Vibhishan? Vibhishan was with Bhagwan Ram.

The rest are not defamed. Why did Vibhishan become defamed?

I keep saying this. Why do we troll Vibhishan? He was on our side. Lanka people should troll him. He was with us. But it is a matter of the house being in Lanka. So people are saved by keeping Vibhishan. Every house has its own secrets. And it is associated with the name Vibhishan that it will take out the secrets of the house.

If you have to recommend a book that everyone should read, which one would it be? Apart from my books or you can do it too.

Any book.

I have written it with a lot of effort. The Hidden Hindu Naga Warriors, try it. But apart from that, Ashwin Sangri is a great writer for me. I have read as much as I could find. There are many, many more. If you get a chance to ask a question to Bhagwan Shri, what will you ask? When are you inviting me to you? I am done. Any character in Ramayana, whom you want to meet and ask something, what will you ask?

Ramayana? I want to meet Jamund.

Why Jamund? What will you ask? I want to meet Ramayana. Why Ramayana? Ramayana has many stories. He fought with Krishna. He met Hanuman ji. He supported Ram ji. It is believed that he was

much more powerful than Hanuman ji when he was young. He looks very mysterious. I want to meet Ramayana. Any character in Mahabharata that you feel So, they look mysterious. I would like to meet Jamund. In Mahabharata, there is no character that you think is so much discussed,

but if you meet him, it will be more fun.

I have already said that I want to meet Ved Vyas. Nobody talks about him. If you have seen everything, written everything, then talk about him. Ramayana or Mahabharata? Where is the story more interesting? If we talk about interest, then Mahabharata. There are more characters, more complications.

There are many heroes. Yes, and Ramayana is a very simple story. Because it is another age old story. Ramayana, what to learn and what not to learn? Both have both things. What can you learn from Mahabharata. Both have two things. What can we learn from Mahabharata and what to do?

What to learn from Mahabharata and what to do?

Yes, like what not to learn from Mahabharata, we understood. What to learn and what to do, please explain to us.

There are many things, but I am thinking, if I have to say one thing, then what is it? If you take Arjun, then you can learn how to practice your goal. If you take Duryodhan, then you can learn how not to leave the goal you have made. No matter what happens, if the whole world is against you, you will stand. If you want to learn from Bheeshma Pitamah, then learn Pran. If you want to learn from Yudhishthir, learn to speak the truth. If you want to learn from Nakul Sahdev, learn his dedication towards his brothers. If you get a chance to revive a character from Mahabharata, you will revive him.

You have a lot of characters. You have Mani's character, Karna's character,

Dronacharya, Bheeshma Pitamah.

No, I am thinking that if someone is brought back to life, then the impact will change.

Yes, yes.

I am trying to think about that. There is Duryodhan.

He is a great character in which you can bring someone back to life.

No, I can't think of that. I am stuck in that name now.

Okay.

If a film is made in your life, what name will you give it? A film in my life?

Hmm.

No, I won't be able to tell you this. Whoever writes it will think about it.

Have you never thought of writing your own story?

My classmate once told me to make a film on our love story.

Hmm.

Because he supported it so much. In today's time, very few people get such a film on our love story. Because he supported us a lot. Few people get such a supportive life partner in today's time. I told him that if I write this film, it will be a super flop. He asked me why. I said that if I write what you have done for me,

people will say that this is a mind-blowing story. There are no such women in today's time. And you don't get. And such supporters are not found. So, the film will flop on this point that such supporters don't exist.

Okay.

In which story do you see more compassion in the meeting of Ahilya's Udhaar or Shabri? In the meeting of Shabri. Her wait was very long. And while waiting, she had become so forgetful that they couldn't understand that they were feeding false berries to Ram. What a level of love!

Yes, yes, keep eating.

By the way, you get such women in the village sometimes. But they eat a little and understand. They eat a grain of rice and understand whether it is cooked or not. Poor thing, she eats everything. Yes, she thinks this is sweet this one is also a little sweet. This one is also sweet.

It is not like mango or guava, it is a little sweet. Keep eating.

They won't let you eat the raw one. This is a condition of UP. You get to hear less from Mumbai. It felt good. Kumbhkaran's policy or Vibhishan's policy? Who started the end of Ravan? Yes, Vibhishan's policy. Even after Kumbhkaran's death, Ravan would not have died if Vibhishan had not turned towards Ram. These are the special people that I was telling you about while reciting Sitaayan. The surroundings of an ordinary man-made Ram,

The Ram. Okay. Had Ravan agreed to Mandodari'sari, would Ramayana have stopped? It would have stopped. Because many times he was warned that return it, we will return. If Duryodhan did not have Ashwathama and Karna, would Mahabharata not have happened? It would have happened. It would have happened. If 99 brothers were not on Duryodhan's side, one came here, the remaining 98. If you add them up, it's 99. Like Duryodhan, the remaining 98 are not brothers. If he was standing alone, he would have fought.

Sita Ji's sacrifice or Draupadi's anger?

Draupadi's anger. In today's time and in today's context, Draupadi's anger. Okay. Is Karna's nature to be a generous or Bhim's power? Who influenced the war? Bhim ke Shakti, kisne yudh mein zara asay daala? Bhim ke Shakti ne. Karan agar Danveer nahi hote toh phir haarte nahi. Karan agar Danveer nahi hote toh haarte nahi. Mujhe isliye aur gussa aayi thi. Wo jo kundal de diya tha unhone.

Mujhe laga yaar ek aadmi ko jeevan mein kuchh nahi mila. His father gave it to him. He also took it off and gave it to him. He was also taken by deceit. By doing Bhavuk. You taught him the ethics of war.

That in the ethics of war, this and that happens and if you do this and that, then this...

But Karan also got a curse from Shuram. That when you need my knowledge the most, you will forget.

That was also wrong. No, both people are right in their own places. When you need my knowledge the most, you will forget. Was that wrong too?

No, both are right in their own places. At least in that story. Yes, but if he goes to learn, he cuts the scorpion. You think that I tolerated the pain because my Guru doesn't cut scorpions. He did a good thing.

But he reached there by lying. When Parashuram lost the war to Bhishma Pitamah, Bhishma Pitamah, Dronacharya and Karna were the disciples of Parashurama. So in the story of Amba Ambika Ambalika, when Parashurama went to fight Bhishma Pitamah and Bhishma Pitamah won, he was so disappointed that he lost to him. So that day Parashuram took a vow that I will never teach any Kshatriya.

After that Karna came. After Bheeshma Pitamah, Dronacharya was taught by a Brahmin. After that Karna came as a son of a Sudha. He learnt everything. He cut the scorpion, did not move. When he reached there in bloodshed, he realized that no Brahmin or any other

son of a Sud can bear this pain. He is a Kshatriya. And till that time, Karan knew who he was. Then he told Parshuram that you have taken my knowledge by lying. When you will need it the most, you will forget. So the day Karan needed it the most in in need, he gets the ministerial position. So, the three disciples of Parshuram, Bhishma Pitamah, Guru Dronacharya and Karna, who is the most powerful among them?

Bhishma Pitamah. The one who has the boon that he will get the desire of death, I will not die until I want to. How will you defeat that? The rest of the people were destined to die. Bheeshma Pitatha was not destined to die. I will decide when I will go. You will end the podcast and say,

Akshay, leave from here. I have to leave. The studio is yours. I will sit here. I won't go from here. How will you get me out? And all three of them were killed by deceit. All three were killed by deceit. If there was a fair war, would the Pandavas have been able to win against the Kauravas? If there was a fair war, the war would not have been fair.

They wouldn't have won. The Pandavas wouldn't have won. So the story would have been different. Absolutely different. Then I said, there would is the worship of Shakuni. But this is a very interesting thing. If this war had happened in a different way, then we would have been reading a different history. Yes, we would have been reading a completely different history. In Pakistan, they have won both sides in their texts.

Satyug's peaceful life, Kalyug ka sangharsh, zyada kya sikhata hai? Sikhata toh sangharsh hi hai. Ek badi achi baat hai ki, ek circle hai, generations ka. Jo abhav dekhta hai, wo mehnat karta hai. Wo mehnat karke, sukh suvidah jhut aata hai. He works hard and earns his living. His son grows up in comfort, so he becomes weak. When he takes care of the household, he doesn't know how to struggle.

He starts to make him fall. By the time the third generation comes to him, he is again in a state of weakness. So he has to struggle and learn. So this is the circle. So the third generation comes and the big ones end. Last question. The mystery of Mount Kailash or the disappearance of Dwarika?

Which is more mysterious? The mystery of Mount Kailash is more mysterious. A lot has been written about Dwarika. Now its remains are also found in Sub-Majh Dwarika. So what has been told is the proof. No one has been able to reach Mount K Parbat yet. It is a wonderful place.

No one has been able to reach the peak of Kailash Parbat yet. The Everest is higher than that. One good thing is that Kailash Parbat is 6666 km away from the North Pole. And 6666 km from the South Pole multiplied by 2 km. Exactly double. So, all the strange stories about it, it doesn't seem like a coincidence that its placement is also like that. It is called

the axis of the whole world. The whole earth is rotating in the distance because the placement of Kailash mountain is there.ash is keeping it balanced. Because if the Earth's gravitational force increases by 0.1%, then it will start moving towards the Sun. And if it decreases by 0.1%, then it will start moving out of the solar system. So how accurate is it that it is just moving there for thousands of years. Its origin is somewhere in our ancestors, Mount Kailash.

So it is very mysterious. The nails and beard of the climbers there start growing fast. It's true. Why it happens, we don't know. It's believed that there is a whole city in Kailash Parvat called Gyanganj. Like in Marvel movie, Wakanda, of Black Panther.

There is a whole city like that. Where all the Saptarishis, all the chiranjeevis and all the species that get extinct from here, it is kept there because when the earth will start again, then the same elephant will have to sit in place of the horse and the camel will have to sit in place of the

camel.

So, it is being tolerated there. It is an extinct city and it is the city of the gods. The name is Gyanganj. It is also called Shangri-La. You and I cannot see it with this eye. That is why no one can reach the Kailash Parvat.

Interesting story. We will do another podcast on this. Lovely talking to you sir. We have discussed a lot of things for a long time.

We tried to gather you more the first time we met. Next time, I will gather you in pieces. I want to say one last thing. I know that I talk about my past many times. Because it is my past. And if someone had planned to defame me, then I would have forgotten their name, their place of residence, all this.

So I don't say this to defame anyone. I say this because I haven't been able to get over the pain I have been through. So I keep my pain in front of everyone. And the best thing I keep is my other sorrows. I told you in the podcast, I was saying this a few days ago in the Insta live that I don't like it. I am like this. So if someone few days ago, I was saying on Instagram Live, I don't like it. I am like this.

So if someone takes it personally, then welcome. No, no. You were narrating your story in detail.

That the part of your story that you and your family endured.

How can I forgive for that? How can I forget? There is a saying, forgive and forget, forgive and forget. It feels good to speak, listen, write and read. I have a dimension that I will forget. I don't have a dimension. And if I have to forget everything, then I will forget what you are doing good to me. Will it work for you? No. You want me to remember what you are doing good to me.

And you want me to forget what you are doing bad to me.

It cannot be like that. The second thing in your story was that it is not only your past that is forgotten. There is a present with that past. So the present will remind you of it. No matter how much you want to forget it, it will be mentioned.

If I don't have a son, I don't care who he is, where he is, good or bad. He is keeping me connected and I still have his pain. If he is there, I will forget him. aur mereko abhi bhi uski takleef hai. Rahegi toh main bholunga.

Chhik hai, matlab. Isi pe shayad likha tha kisi ne ki, Wo jo nazroon se ek baar utar gaya, kya farg padta hai kis ke saath kidar chala gaya?

Haan. Utar gaya, kis se lot of fun with you, Shubhankar Bhai. I hope that if you and our viewers like it, we will come again.

When your next book comes, you keep writing books, we will keep calling you.

Done deal. Done deal.

Thank you, sir.