Will Spurs Be Relegated? Rooney Backs Carrick & Roy’s Cheltenham Tips | Stick to Football EP 120

We've got new cakes.

Obviously you won at Chatham yesterday, the cakes are good.

Did you win?

He did win.

A little bit, yeah.

A little bit? What's a little bit?

What's a little bit? Not a lot. Ed Chamberlain gave me one winner.

Do you bet on the horses?

No.

I don't gamble.

Oh, that's good.

Sprints and... You bought your horse, didn't you? Yeah, which... Michael Owen.

I was in that syndicate.

No, I went, I had my own ones.

Oh, did you?

Yeah, they never ran.

Mine never... We bought three.

Have yous, like, been done over? You all bought horses but they never ran?

So if you buy a horse that's never run, I think that's probably not a good thing. But you have bought into horses. And have you enjoyed it?

No. I've never seen them run.

You said Shazy. You'd run with Shazy.

Well, I'd run with Shazy, which won a few.

Right, OK.

But then Shazy sold it without me knowing.

Did he give you any money?

I've just stayed the way from the way we had three who got you to do that sir Alex no it was Michael it was something like me gigs a skulls a it was him I think Michael Carrick was it it was shaking John and Moscow wait where he's had no there's two I think was two before he must have had a few more yeah I remember I remember the Moscow a box to box as well yeah box the box I paid some with Michael for years. I remember the Moscow 8 one. I think it's called Box to Box as well.

Yeah, Box to Box, I got a tip for that and it won. Are you in on it now? It's winning?

No, I'm getting ready to pay to come out, man, because I ain't got nothing from it since I've been here.

Nothing from this horse. I went in because I thought, right at. Honestly, it's like heaven for horses.

Why the fuck would a horse want to run when he's got that much... The horse is living better than people.

So you think the hunger had gone from the horses?

The hunger has gone from the horses, man. My horse. I can't remember. I never got a penny from it. I don't even know what I went in for it, but I went to this place, I was like, if I was a horse... Like a spab. It's like a horse... Heaven's spa. What Michael had for these horses, bro. Why would the horse run?

You say, I'm not running, man, when I'm living like this.

Is this what happens with football as well, with the training facilities?

That's Spurs, isn't it? Stick to Football is brought to you by Arn Clothing. You really want to go as a player. If someone says, because you're good at all the players, like cad schools and karaoke stuff, surely if you're a player and you play for a big club, you want to go and contribute.

When you see somebody who's blatantly out of their depth, it's uncomfortable.

He's got to hold up at the end and say, I got that wrong.

If he thinks that that is the right situation to put Kingsley into, then he's out of his depth.

This is getting impossible to watch, isn't it?

Yeah, but them players need to look at themselves, because I think they've been an absolute disgrace.

When you've been left out, you want an extra training where you go, these lads are raging, they're fuming. Not everyone coming in going, lovely, a packet of mid-night, a club sandwich, great. You want an edge to him where you go, he's fuming.

Shall we start on Spurs or Newcastle last night? Let's go Newcastle.

Newcastle were good. They were really good. Barcelona, that's twice I've watched Barcelona now this season. Chelsea away and Newcastle. I just think the tempo and intensity of the Premier League is too much for them.

Barcelona?

I think as well, but Newcastle were good. What they do though, for Barcelona, because even when you watched them last night after they got the penalty right, the death of Scottie,

it's almost like they feel like, yes, that's what we wanted to do. Yeah, they've gone back, they'll probably go through when they go back to Barcelona, but I thought Newcastle were aggressive against them, didn't give them time on the ball, and Barcelona normally, where you see them taking the ball, didn't really dictate, manage to dictate the game at all,

and Newcastle just missed that last bit in the final third.

Quality.

Yeah, but if you draw away from it... Joel Inton? No, I think he's brilliant.

Joel Inton? No. Their midfield's good, isn't it? I love watching Joel Inton. When they're at it, Newcastle are decent to watch. They're full of energy and everyone's available.

But then they have their off nights as well, don think they were unfortunate last night. I like Eddie Howe though, I think whenever they start to lose games,

people are like, if they don't do well in the Champions League,

is he going to lose his job? But he's done a good job.

He has done a good job.

I think he should stay, really.

He gets big results to draw with Barcelona and they should have won, really. is they're expecting them to go and win the league, be in the top three or four every season, where they haven't got the players ready to do that at the minute. I think they might get there in five or six years.

Yeah, the squad's not strong enough to the demands of playing in Europe. It does catch up with you, especially if you're missing a few players.

Especially with the Sardey takeover and the door shut on them to spend. There's players there that probably would not have been there. Has he spent already? I wonder what he's spent. You're talking about property, we're talking about spend. Because you're thinking that the Sadies are coming in with that money, you're going to get to that place to buy that.

I'd love to know what he's spent since he's gone in there.

The problem we've got is the two lads up top, Whistler and Walter Mather. I was watching them run after the game last night and two players who've come in, you've spent a lot of money on them and in the running, the players who didn't play last night, two of them were at the back.

Were they? After the game? Because obviously they were subs. Yeah, so they normally do the box-to-box stuff and the two of them were just lacking behind. You think if you've gone into a club, you've spent a bit of money on you. You're not playing, you haven't had an impact. I can understand that with Walter Maddix. I can't imagine he's going to be the front of the running. But Visser, that surprised me.

I thought he would be more... But you know, you've got to experience players like that. There's another thing. I know they do that after a game. It's hard. It's hard for the player. doing box to box. Sometimes you might, as a manager, you go, I know you're all in it together, don't get me wrong,

but sometimes you go, lads, let's do that tomorrow. Yes. Or you might do it off today or whatever it might be. Sometimes these lads, I'm not that shocked they're not at the top of it.

But they might be giving a day off tomorrow.

So that's what I'm thinking. box-to-box runs when you're trying to keep them all onside and then around. The Barcelona team, lads were doing it at the same time.

They were going for it.

They had the difference in...

How did Vissa play? Because I've been interested in Vissa. He didn't play.

None of them, come on. Them two.

Who did he start out front with? Because I was watching the Salford game. Harvey Barnes? The lad who scored against United What a young kid, the lad who came on in the subbing at United

Oh, oh, oh, oh, erm...

What a goal that was, David

Asula

It looked like Asula

Asula started... He'd done well actually

Yeah

Played well, caused a massive problem running behind It was just a... Once he got in there he couldn't sort his feet out and you could see a lack of quality really with him. And then Anthony Gordon, who was ill, came on for half an hour. So that's worrying for the other two lads. How can you be ill and come on for half an hour?

We had a debate yesterday.

I'm sure you did. It's bizarre, isn't it?

Yeah.

You look a bit... Can I just say quickly on VISA, Gal? Anthony Gordon... Oh, Gary. I know, because you did an interview with him last year. You thought he was a really nice lad. But, do you know what I mean? Roy, Roy, we can't... We can't. How can you be ill but I can come on for a half an hour? There's two things. One, Anthony Gordon hasn't got a history of not turning up. I don't think.

He turns up, to be fair to him. No, I'm not saying that, him. When I hear players going, they're not fit enough, but they can be on the bench, they can give us a hand for an hour. But let's say you're coming back from a two or three day illness of food poisoning or you're coming back from a two or three day illness of flu and you just don't feel right and you're not starting again. I think that's fully acceptable. him before the game and he wouldn't shake our hands. He said, because I'm ill I don't want you to catch something.

But then he's going in the dressing room with his team.

Yeah.

Are you debating the fact that someone can't be ill and returning from illness and can't be subbed because they're not quite ready to play? Yeah, no, it's not against... When you hear about players, you go, well actually there's been an injury or something but I have to save you for the

last half an hour. I don't get it. I think you're...

I think the level of the game now though, you have to be right.

Alright, if he's not right though, you've got to start him and go, if I have to take you off after half an hour, you're that important to him. You'd rather start him? I'm not feeling groggy. Well, you're not going to feel better sitting on the bench for an hour, are you? Maybe the Tottenham keeper was ill. Maybe that's why he came off.

Sure, he'll be ill today.

You said Lewis Hall played well against Emile. Do you think he's England's left back out? Do you think Nico O'Reilly or Livermanto? Where do you think on defence?

I'm not sure on O'Reilly left back. because he can play in different positions. But I really like Liverpool mentor. I think it obviously depends how he comes back to fitness now. But Lewis Hall, the last few games I've watched him,

I think he's done really well. He should go though, shouldn't he? He should definitely go. He's quite consistent.

Luke Shaw will be in there as well. I think he's done well.

I don't think he'll take Luke, you know. I don't know, but I think to be fair to him, he's done well.

He has done well.

Yeah. What's up?

I'm saying nothing, I'm just going to enjoy the show.

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Yes, Ben?

Right, what's, uh-

Well, I have to say, that you're trying everything possible to drag me away from my vanilla, aren't you? And this week you've given me a blue raspberry flavoured Huel, which is the vitamin drink.

And how is it, Gary?

That's quite nice, you know. How'd you get blue raspberries?

I don't know how the geniuses at Huel do it, but by God, they do.

Blue raspberry could be a little bit of like... Is it after Cara this, because he went from Everton to Liverpool? Blue raspberry, do you get it?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Raspberry? That is quite good.

And does it taste nice?

It does taste nice actually. Do you know I went to Cheltenham yesterday and on the way home I had a huel. Because I went into the service station and I didn't want... I just didn't want... I just went, oh right, I'm going to get it down me. I wasn't getting home till 8 o'clock, I like to finish my eating before 7. And in she went.

The favourite, the vanilla black edition. Never lets you down, does she? She doesn't let me down, the vanilla black edition. 26 vitamins and minerals, 36 grams of protein, low sugar, and it went straight down my neck on the way back from Cheltenham. Having been called a whore three times.

You're joking.

Only three times, though, it's a miracle. 40,000 people there, me walking through them. What they do is they drink the black edition, but it's not necessarily Huel.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

A lot of drinking, but it's not Huel.

That's horrible.

Get our special offer on all the Huel range. New customers get our exclusive discount, plus a free gift at Huel.com forward slash the overlap. I was speaking to Kyle Walker the other day and I said to him, it's a strange time to retire because in your position, Rhys James, Trippier, Trent Alexander-Arnold, Joe Gomez, lads that maybe would play there, they're all susceptible to injuries.

They could all go down. You could end up being back in.

Yeah, but he wants to be out.

No, my point, I know, he wants to control.

But did he say he...

I know he said that, but...

You think he's doing it so he can get pulled back in?

No, I think he...

He wants to go in...

But when he got back in, he was called upon.

On 96, 97 caps.

No, I think Kyle feels like he should probably, you know, I think he feels like he's done enough to continue to keep his place in the squad.

Does he get the German cold shoulder?

Probably, but I think still, those lads do get injured at full-back for England. They do get injured. There's not really a consistent... You know, Kieran's had a lot of injuries, Rhys James obviously has had a lot of injuries, but he's fit at the moment. Exactly, yeah. He's been fit for a while. We've seen that with Carra, haven't we? Yeah.

When Carra retired and then he gets called up to the squad.

So, listen, I think if Thomas Tuchel wants him...

But would a player like Walker be happy to... Is this what you're saying?

Would he be happy to go over there and be on the bench for every game?

I think he's that... I did that a couple of times under Capello. I wasn't one of them. I always felt with England that it wasn't my job to retire. I should be retired. They should not pick me. You don't get picked at the beginning. Then you get picked. You might get picked and not picked during the career

and then you don't get picked at the end. That's it. But others, lads who I've absolutely loved to bits who have been unbelievable players for England, retired and chose their own moment. They said, no, I want to know what I'm doing. They couldn't, the idea of am I in this squad, am I not in this squad, am I going to be, they didn't like it.

I retired. I don't know, because I think sometimes you get picked on reputation as well. And I remember speaking to Gareth Southgate and said, I don't feel I should be in the squad because I weren't playing for Man United. So I think sometimes you end up just because of your reputation and being there, you're getting picked for it when you really don't deserve it.

Are you comfortable with that?

Did you have your last game at Wembley?

Did you?

You had like a send off, yeah. That was a testimonial of charity.

Are you comfortable with that decision though? What you made at the time? I think because I felt like obviously Harry Kane was coming into the team and I felt like I was getting picked when really... You didn't deserve it you think? I weren't playing, I've always felt that you should be playing for your club.

Because you've not said to him, don't pick me when I'm not playing but if I get back in the team and I get back into...

Yeah and that's what I did and he'd done that when I was at Man United with Mourinho. So I had that conversation with him and he didn't. And then when I went to Everton, he called me up back into the squad after the first few games of the season. And I just didn't feel like I was deserving of it really.

But your experience in and around the squad, I think that's so important. Like Kyle Walker would be great, wouldn't he,

for the younger players?

Sometimes it brings more out to do the players if you're not there as well.

Do you think?

Yeah.

How do you know he'd be great? I'm serious. Different lads have different personality, different traits. You have this impression, obviously you're trying to get a squad, even with all the involvement of tournaments, but not everyone is great around the players except on our plane. Yeah, I feel like Kyle Walker would be. How do you know? We had Kyle in when we were obviously with Roy. I think you obviously played with Kyle

and he didn't play every single game with us. We had Glenn Johnson and he was actually subbed.

In the tournament, right?

Yeah, so when we were there, Glenn Johnson was the number one right back and Kyle was sort of there as the younger one but was pushing through at the time. Right. When you've played? When you've played and you've been the number one right back for so many years and then... But is it a problem for lads like that if you still think you're better than the lads playing?

I think these lads are going, yeah this lad James is whoever and they're brilliant. You go, yeah you have to take your medicine. But I think the frustration might be you're getting a bit older and you're going, but I still think I'm better than him. we're taking him to bring in Jordan because again he's great around the place you're going, do you really want to go as a player if someone says because you're good at fucking around the place? Like card schools and fucking karaoke stuff

surely if you're a player and you play for a big club you want to go and play

you want to contribute

No but I think your thought as a manager Roy you've got 11 players on I'm not about as a player maybe I think look, you've been part of international squads, you pick 15, 16 lads, you know they're gonna be picked because they're actually the best players, but the four or five that are on the end that you're thinking right.

That's the three players as well, now, isn't it?

Yeah, the 26. Squads are big, of course. So you want people who you think, okay, they're probably not gonna play a massive part, but we need people who can that when I was there. Of course there is. That's my point.

So you get rid of them. So Jordan, to be fair, is a great professional. No, no, no, go ahead. I'm listening. He's a great lad. He's a lovely lad. I gave him his debut at Sunderland. So you'd have Jordan there every day of the week.

You can't have four or five that are happy to be around the players but not really pushing to get in the team.

You don't need that either.

Would you be happy going in that role? I wouldn't.

You know what though, I did it at the Euros really, like it was my kind of role. I still felt like she believed that I could come on in games. But it's them days when you get back to the hotel, it's midnight and the next day you've got a blowout and there's like, a lot of the girls are so disappointed they're not playing. You probably don't hold that disappointment because you know your place and you're like, motivating, trying to get them going. I'm not just saying it because I did it's important if you've got all young players who want to be playing, it does sap the energy out of the team definitely.

But also you don't want loads of players around the place happy to be left out. That's my point.

Yeah, it's a balance.

You don't want to put the lads running last night or training the next day. When you've been left out, you want an extra training where you go, these lads are raging, they're fuming.

Not everyone coming people going, you want an edge to... You want an edge to dream where you go, if I was in the squad, and I weren't playing, and then Jordan Henson comes up to me and says, oh, come on, be happy.

I'd be like, yeah, yeah, of course.

No, come on, lads.

Jesus, man.

Oh, but that's...

Gary, you've been in the studio too long. You want lads, otherwise you're never going to make progress as a team. I did this at United for the last couple of years where I had a choice to make. I'm not, this is international stuff. No, but even... Club stuff is different, you're under contract.

International stuff is different.

But you're deciding whether you're playing 25 games a season and you're happy and you know you're not going to be picked for 25 games a season, Basically what I would call good, good guardian. If I weren't playing at Man United,

when you were there in this role, and you come up to me and say, oh come on, Wazza.

No, the way in which...

Would I sit there and say, oh yeah, you're right guys, I wouldn't.

No, but the way in which you and Roy Keane that played at your level, and there aren't many people play at your level by the way, because you're just a different type of person, you know what I mean, you are. So you have to play or else it's a problem. Just because purely your standards, the levels you're at, the quality that you have. I think if someone else...

So why are you going and keeping the other six or seven players who aren't going to start to keep them happy?

No, but to be fair, Wazir, when you've got a squad of 24 players going to a tournament as an example, just using him as an example, right? And I'm sure there are other people that are examples of doing this. I'm sure Scott Carson at Man City is a third goalkeeper and Tom Heaton at Man United. These have got to be good lads because they're traveling every week with the squad. They can't be arseholes, these guys. They've got to be good lads because they're basically never going to play. So squad number 21...

That's different then, that's club. not going to play, the third goalkeeper is not going to play. You're looking at those four lads and you're thinking, right, Jordan Henderson will accept the situation as an experienced player that he's not playing because he knows that Anderson and Declan Rice and lads like that are better than him. However, he'll be ready to play. He's professional. He's not accepting he doesn't play.

He just knows the position of his... That he's accepting the situation. I think for you two, I do think your mentalities are different. I know, but we're kind of arguing about different points. I agree, Jordan Henderson in your group, you can't have four or five Jordan Henderson in your group with a train and then it hasn't even got an edge to it. Because what you want in any coaching,

you want your players to be upset after not playing. You can't have lads in the background going, I'm happy to pick him up. and I did, you also don't want loads of lads happy in the background just picking up their few barb. You want them to come in and go, who's going to push these lads? Because otherwise the first team lads go, I can chill out because Jordan's happy to be here. Yeah but the manager needs four or five.

Yeah but not too many of them.

No.

It's a balance, that's what I'm saying.

You can't he? He could be part of the coaching team. I'm sure they do. I'm sure that Thomas Tuchel is using Jordan Henderson differently than he's using Cole Palmer. I'm sure he's going, you know, sitting in some...

I'm sure he's having like 10 minutes with him and saying, Jordan, what do that, what if they said to you, listen, I want you to come in as a coach,

would you do it then?

Yeah, of course, that's different.

Yeah, but then he knows that he's just saying that to you so you can just come and do it. But what would your attitude be towards it? If you're like a coach? Because if I'm in there and Wayne If Thomas Hussle phone me up tomorrow and said, we want you to come in as a coach and be around the players

and lift them the day after the game, can you get them going a bit and stuff, of course you would.

As a player, you mean?

No, not as a player, no.

Your phone's going to be ringing tomorrow.

No, but as a coach it's different. reason I think there's probably players still better than him who they could bring in to the team and be ready to play more and say to him, okay can you come and coach?

If you're taking a session, if you're taking players, remember most players who go away to international football are playing, are kind of main guys at that club. If you're doing a session after a game and you're taking the fringe players who are regulars and they're all happy clappy the next day and happy to be there. You're in trouble. You're in trouble as a team, whether it be England, Brazil, whoever it might be. You need an edge to train. You need lads to get off the bus the next morning and go,

you know, this is going to be short and sharp. These lads are edgy.

Yeah, but surely, Roy, that's when you need that experienced player who keeps that session hot. like to hear today and have a look at the warm. You need the energy, the edge. I'm disappointed Wayne wouldn't come as a player because I think that if Wayne was in that group as the older England player and he's doing it and going for it.

I can see it. You know what levels Wayne was at this level. This is why you're taking even more notice of him.

Yeah, you can't then go, obviously you can't. Because again, these lads, whether it be Michael Ornway, they've been main guys since they were 17. I've done it not to that extent but for a period because I played, when Sturridge came in, I got pushed out to play on the left wing. For England and stuff like that where I'm like... And then there was probably players who were better to play off the left wing than me but that's what I was saying before. I felt like because of your reputation, you're in the team,

but you moved around in the team.

You are different. I remember in 2004, your first tournament, you're 18, I'm 28. And I remember on the day of the game against Portugal and you were like, you couldn't wait for the game. You were literally, I remember you were outside fucking playing head tennis on the fucking tennis court and you were... And I was like, you need to calm down. He's like, no, I can't fucking wait. I didn't play my football career like that.

I was, I felt.

I didn't, for the next 10 years, remember?

No, I know. But you were like, you felt when you walked out onto the pitch, I'm going to win this game for my team. That is a completely different mentality than sort of like, you know, other players that are in the squad. I mean one of the things I think with Thomas Tuchel in the summer, I don't know why we're such in England here, but I think, to me I'm thinking that you've got

Morgan Rodgers, you've got Cole Palmer, Phil Foden, Jude Bellingham and only one or two of them can play. Eze, five, you've only got one or two of them that can play.

Saka.

Saka's playing and Harry's playing and probably Andy Gordon's playing on the left to be fair. If he's well, why don't you? You'd shake the virus off. Stick to Football is brought to you by Arm Clothing. This segment is brought to you by Microsoft Co-Pilot as part of their partnership with the Premier League. We've got this little section which has become very popular with you, you like a little quiz, don't you?

Yes, I love a quiz.

This week, Kyle Walker announced his retirement.

What a great interview as well on The Overlap, you can catch it.

Well done, Gary, beautiful.

Basically, there is some Gary Neville and Kyle Walker stats. You've got to try and get the answers to this.

Who was quicker?

In the brain.

Look at Gary's. One second, I need to get this in.

I love Gary's computer interface, look.

Thank you.

Nice one, yeah.

Let's ask the Premier League companion, powered by Microsoft Co-Pilot, the following questions. Can you compare Gary Neville and Kyle Walker on Premier League appearances, clean sheets, assists and goals?

I made 400 Premier League appearances, Kyle Walker made 437. Who had the most clean sheets? Is this quickfire or can we do this?

It feels like it.

Take your time, think about it. Hang on it for a while. What's your considerations? Kyle played at Tottenham for a bit, obviously.

Yeah, which...

Not Burnley.

I'm going, going to go you.

I'm going to go, Gary.

He's had City for a long time.

For years, yeah.

Ten years?

I don't remember, like, many...

They weren't giving up many goals, were they?

Sorry, I'm going to go with...

I'm going to go with...

Man City. I had 148 clean sheets, Kyle had 133. I knew it was Gene Neves, wise man.

Good one to start with yourself, Gal.

Well in, Gary.

You should have a good centre-back alongside, yeah?

Oh, sorry, you had more, Neves?

Is that what you're saying? Sorry.

I knew it, Neves.

OK, next one. Who had the most assists?

Ooh, this is tight.

Premier League. I'm not going to say you, Nev.

Yeah, I'll tell you.

He put a lot of interest in that right side.

He couldn't cross it.

I thought you won this game, was it?

I might go Kyle.

Gary Neville had 35 assists. Kyle Walker had 38.

I win.

Three more.

You should be disappointed with that. And you know what we should have done? We should have... Is that procedure? There's no way that he's gonna do the first question to him and then the second question to him is, I should have went with Kyle Walker.

Right.

That's just stupid from my point of view.

And we're keeping scores here.

Who scored the most goals, Gary Neville or Kyle Walker?

Definitely you, Nev.

Has to be. What do you think? Walker did score. No, he doesn't score a lot of goals. I'm going with Gary. Did Kyle Walker score? He would tear back a lot. Plus it's Gary's quiz, it seems like everything's leaning towards Gary.

Did Kyle Walker score?

That's not true. It feels like, this question feels like it's you.

I lost the assists.

Did Kyle Walker get one goal for England?

By three.

By three? I can't remember. Nev, you. That's it. Gary Neville had five Premier League goals, Kyle Walker had eight. Did he have eight? I can't remember one.

I can't remember one. I think he smashed one in the arsehole for topping him.

Gary, you don't get enough credit, I don't think.

Thank you.

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Stick to Football is brought to you by Arm Clothing. Right, Tottenham. I mean, to be fair, if you're a Tottenham fan right now, this morning, I'm expecting, by the way, someone to walk in and say that.

Yeah, he's gone. Yeah, I'm expecting by the way, someone to walk in and say that. Yeah, he's gone.

Yeah, I'm expecting that.

You know the thing is as well, bro,

I was thinking about that. What are you thinking?

I was thinking about it last night, and you know, no one, you have to say, listen, you don't want to see anybody get sacked, but when you see somebody who's blatantly from the time he's got in there. I remember when I said, when he was talking to Evander van and he blanked him, he was just talking to him, he's blanked. I said, these players are not listening to this brother. And then for him to make that decision, for that poor goalkeeper...

That was awful, wasn't it?

For him to go into a game like that, at a club like that, at Atletico Madrid, to start... Listen, I don't know what he's seen in training, but for me, Vakaria was the number one. Plays in that game, you do that in another game for him, because now, look at this guy Kinski. You know what it's like when you're going for that seminal game in your career, you know, this is the big one. Can you imagine when Kinski heard that he's playing,

he was like, right, got to get everything right.

And then he has the nightmare, since the Liverpool goalkeeper. Karius, yeah. Yeah. To be fair, right, over the last year or so, I thought that maybe, why do managers wait till half-time when there's something that's quite clearly going wrong in the first half of a match and you can see it's not going well? But a lot of them do wait till half-time

because of the respect thing.

There's no way I think he could have waited when it was free. He's tried to protect him, but it's obviously, it looks horrendous. I think the biggest issue was starting him.

I think that's the biggest issue. My big problem last night.

Has anybody ever been taken off at that early for playing that bad? I don't...

Yeah, I was taken off by Muriel. But why? You know when a no fielder's taken off, he's having a bad time. But when a goalder's taken off, he's having a bad time. But when a goalkeeper's taken off, I know the game and all the goals against him, we're looking at the way the game finished. There's no point of grief.

Because it's the goalkeeper.

Yeah, but why?

Because it's his size, seminal...

Last night, the mistakes he made wasn't necessarily goalkeeping, it wasn't saves, it was playing off from the back. Trying to be too smart. He's trying to be too smart, he's trying to play it, he's trying to, ball's coming back to him, he's trying to play with his left foot. So obviously self-inflicted, I get that. But when a goalkeeper makes mistakes, all the other goalkeepers in the world come out and go, oh I feel for him, I'm heartbroken.

What about, all the players make mistakes, our strikers missing open goals. So if the manager feels he's not up to us, he might cause us a nervous wreck. But I tell you, what you would say to your goalkeeper before the game, I don't care what the manager says, we're playing Atletico Madrid away, we know what they're like, they'll be hunting us down, certainly for the first 5, 10, 15, 20 minutes, maybe 90 odd minutes. Let's not mess about at the back and let's not keep going back to our goalkeeper, A bit of a nervous wreck. He done it in the warm-up apparently as well? Right, of course. He slipped in there? Of course, just slipping.

And it's up to them to get the…

He did both of them.

In the warm-up apparently it's come out.

So why keep going back to the goalkeeper?

And then the goalkeeper, the first goal, he's trying to be smart and pick… Listen, when you're going away to Atletico Madrid, But then when he gets taken off, we're talking about it today, and all the goalkeepers come up. It's only because, Roy, you don't normally see it happen like that.

Because the mistake, it was calamitous, and you're just feeling for him. And you're thinking, the last thing I was thinking was, is he going to take him off? I was thinking, why, is he going to stay on,

like, see if he can redeem himself? Honestly, I was devastated for him when he got taken off. Taking him off, I think just starting him is his biggest one. Taking him off, he's doing it for the right reason. He's trying to protect him.

But the manager's trying to make... Why not give him some love?

You should have given him some love on the way off.

Yeah, you should have definitely done that.

We're off the game. You said you were off... If I got took off, would you want to hug off the manager? Can I be honest? There's something strange about goalkeepers. Goalkeepers don't go after each other when they're doing punditry. He's made a couple of mistakes, huge mistakes.

But there's overreaction to him.

I think the manager just gave him...

Did any of us think Spurs were going to get through against Atletico for the two games?

No. He's obviously self-inflicted after 10 or 15 minutes. I had a derby on his manager's derby. The keeper told him not to mess around at the back and he'd done it three times and nearly got caught. So it was like 12 minutes into the game. So I told the other keeper to warm up and I shouted onto him, you've got one more chance, you do it again, you're coming off. So I would have took him off for less than what happened last night.

So I've no problem with him taking them off and should he hug them? If I just brought them off after 20 minutes, I wouldn't want to hug off my manager. I have a way to speak to him after the game, but I think he's done the right thing in taking them off and trying to protect them, because if it went worse, then...

I thought it was brutal.

It was brutal.

It is brutal, but that's football. thing off the back of the last few weeks and then that, just to be fair, the whole thing is a car crash, it's a shambles. Yeah it is, the problem was starting him. And just this quote, I think Wazza you've hit the nail on the head, the problem was with starting him, the problem I had at the end of the game was actually Tudor's interview. I think he's got to come in there and say look I got this said, I've been coaching 15 years, I've never done this. It was necessary to preserve the guy, preserve the team.

Incredible situation. Tony's a very good goalkeeper. It was, for me, the right decision to play him. And of course, after this happens, it's easy to say it was not the right decision. So he said it's the right decision to play a young goalkeeper in the Atletico Madrid stadium against a Simeone team, that cannot be right. He's got to hold up at the end and say, I got that wrong.

He's out of his depth. If he thinks that that is the right situation to put Kingsley into, then he is out of his depth, because then we've seen exactly what's happened.

Because the guy is definitely not ready for that. The only thing I say about it, the vibes over last week is a Spurs, almost, forget this European football stuff, they've got to stay up. So he's probably thinking, well I need my... I'm just trying to see it from a manager's point of view and obviously what will decide your career, these big decisions and they're backfiring at the moment. But he's probably thinking, I need my goalkeeper

to make sure he's fit for the league games coming up. Because the league is more important than this European first spurs. 100%. That's a big game to do it in, Roy. No, but he's also thinking we won't get past Atletico on the two legs. So he's got to make sure our top keeper is ready for Liverpool. And Farah's coming up. They're more important games. It's just the way the game panned out and he's obviously made too much of this.

I'd rather him come out and say something like that then.

The problem I had with his interview yesterday was when he got asked about his future and he just said no comment.

Yeah, I thought he... a few times though, enough for clarity. No comment? He didn't come across very likeable. Like, surely if you're going into Tottenham, you need them to stay up. You need somebody with a bit of personality, get the fans on side. There were so many questions where he didn't want to answer.

And I think it was Joe Hart was like, that's your job as a manager.

You can answer it and not answer it at the same time, but just by saying no comment. It's like when he was asked about getting ready to play Arsenal, he was talking about Arsenal. Remember, you're a Tottenham man, you're the same with Thomas Frank with the Arsenal Cup. These guys got to understand, he's talking about Arsenal as one of the greatest teams in the world.

The Tottenham fans, after we just get Jordan Henderson in? If everybody's going to get one of these.

There's a call counting.

Your callbacks are on fire. You're saying karaoke.

You know something, I think Tottenham, what are they waiting for now?

You know what I'll do? I'll bring in Robbie Keane. Righty, to be fair, I have to say, I don't think any of us have ever asked for a manager to be sacked. I don't think we ever will. But this is getting impossible to watch, isn't it?

Yeah, but then players need to look at themselves because I think they've been an absolute disgrace. I do. I think the performances, the attitude, the lack of was watching the Palace game the other day and I said to them last week, I really felt sorry for Tottenham fans, I'm looking at the Tottenham fans and they're just like, they're not even angry no more, they're just disappointed and sad. But this has been ongoing, this has gone back to last season.

But then players need to look themselves in the mirror. They've come back to last season. Obviously they got out of jail with Europe. But they're a league firm. League defeats are home. They're a record this year. Particularly at home.

He is right about the players though. Because he's saying about the manager being ignored. They did that with Thomas Frank as well, didn't they? So surely at some point, do we look at the players?

Them Tottenham players, do you know what?

They look like hard work. That's what I'm thinking Gary, who comes in? You said Robbie Keane, Robbie Keane has a contract somewhere though. Are they going to give him a two-year contract?

If you're Robbie Keane now, would you go into Tottenham?

He's playing in Europe, isn't he?

I would go. The reason why, yeah, because if he goes down...

He's got a job. My point is though, if he got off the Totten getting that, if he gets that opportunity, he's going to be thinking that he can be going in there as a... No, they need somebody to just short him. I'm not saying Robbie can't do it, but I just...

Yeah, but then Roy...

He's a manager of a team and this is just a two or three-month job.

If you get that person for another...

And he comes in and then he's got this same player... Spurs is it? Ian I'm going to ask you a question. So Daniel Levy gets booted out the club, obviously and that's something that was welcomed by Tottenham fans at the time. And obviously before that I think he'd appointed Vinay, the guy who's meant to be widely regarded, highly respected from Arsenal and he's now running Tottenham Hotspur Football Club. Unless obviously the owner who's over in wherever he is, Mr Lewis,'s running it from over where he is, which I doubt.

Sabotage.

So, Vinay...

New York comes in.

Agent Vinay. He's sent in Agent Vinay. No, go on, Gal.

So, Vinay's gone in, he's got a massive reputation, he's run a football club, at Arsenal everyone's talking and raving about him as being sort of like a brilliant CEO. What is going on? He's overseeing this.

Well, Gary, obviously the way Tottenham has run is totally different to the way Arsenal has run in respect to things going on.

But he's seen high quality at Arsenal.

I think that, again, it's somebody that's gone across there and thinks that he can, like any manager does, you think, well, I can go in there and I can thought that. He's gone in there and there's a lot of things happening. Look, Daniel Levy, I'm sure that when he went in there, he wouldn't be expecting Daniel Levy to be gone not too long after he's been there. He's gone in there to try and make changes. There's things going on at Tottenham that we don't know about. Why, for some reason, the leadership level from that like, in being from Arsenal, it doesn't make any

difference. But he will have appointed Tudor as the coach. He'll have looked at that and sort of made that decision. Obviously, I don't think any

of us at the time… Listen, you can look back now and it's a poor decision. Why didn't they just sit with Thomas Frank? Exactly. You know, somebody who came up with Brentford, done what he's done, he would have been able to see it through. But I go with Wayne. The players have got to ask themselves a lot of questions because that manager was able to motivate a team that you would have to say costs a lot less than what Tottenham would have cost

and he could get that team going. So it's an attitude problem. It's something to do with attitude.

Do you think they will make it? It was four weeks ago we were sat here, where obviously Thomas Frank was sacked, only four weeks ago. Do we think we'll be seeing Tottenham have another manager before the end of the season?

Yeah. I think, yeah, because I think he was brought in for instant impact and it's four games, 14 goals conceded.

It doesn't seem from his decision-making,

he's fit. Liverpool weekend, Forrest of Folling weekend, obviously they've got to... And then Heraklion. Sorry? And you know the thing with that is, is that anybody who's playing them, you're looking forward to playing them.

Mm.

Especially at Tottenham.

I don't want them to go down though. I feel like for the Premier League it would be sad.

You've all just nodded. Do you want that sad admit seeing Tottenham go down wouldn't be great for Tottenham fans and I think Tottenham are an amazing club but it would be very good for the Premier League from a competitive perspective and the idea of Leeds staying up, of Sunderland staying up because I tell you what, I was more worried about the start of the season that every club that came up was just going straight back down again. So actually I think the Premier League doesn't necessarily need Tottenham to go down, but it needs clubs other than the ones that come up to go down.

It would be sad to go down, but maybe they've had it coming.

Yeah, all them kind of clubs are in that place where you're kind of… This is going back to last year. Yeah, but the thing is as well, Roy. Because we've been seeing the teams that's coming up from the Championship and then they go straight down, it's like there's a...

Do you think they will go down?

You know something, Gal? I think they could go down.

Yeah, we know they could go down. Do you think they will go down?

I think they'll steal.

Good question. Let me get... Because I've got to everything like that, but I believe they will go. Yeah, but they'll get somebody in, right? I think they'll go down.

If Liverpool in the weekend...

Last week I didn't, and then after seeing what's happened over the last couple of games, I think they will.

But when you look at the players, and I'm thinking,

the look in the dressing room, who is the players? I don't think they will go down. I think that, to be fair, you've all just said there that you think that they'll make another change. If you're going to make another change, that for me probably needs to be today or tomorrow. Because you don't wait.

And if they don't make the change, they will go down with this guy.

I think, to be fair, my view is they'll make a change and they'll stay up. Yeah, I think that. You think so too? Do you think Anita brings someone in who's got a bit of history with the club?

Maybe, Julian.

Do you think they'll stay up? I think they'll go down.

I really, honestly, Gal, I can feel it.

That's why I was saying if I was Robbie Keane now, I wouldn't go in. You wouldn't go in? If I was Robbie Keane,

Another injury. I don't think that group of players will buy into the idea of bringing someone in who's not been a coach for a long time just because they used to play for the club. I think they'll just see right through that. It'll have to be someone who's been coaching recently, I think.

You have to take him from someone?

Either that or someone who's basically out of work at the moment but has been coaching recently and who's actually done that type of job. I'm not saying, if it's an ex-Tottenham man, yeah. But Sean Dyche would take that job now, wouldn't he?

it's ridiculous saying that, I wonder if they'd be thinking, John Dierkshire.

I think they'd get their heads round if they're like, he can keep us up, yeah.

They're worried about you, they have to be fearful.

They must be worried now.

I think they need I mean go in and... Really give him a wake up. Did he need some fear put into him? I think.

I'm not sure they'll respond to that at all. Ev doesn't become that desperate yet. Those players don't give two fucks about being handed out.

But then why are you...

Thanks for the backing lads. Cheers, Wayne.

You think that this manager, they're going to pluck out of somewhere because remember, everybody's like contract cop. They're going to save them and you're saying that these players...

Right, I think they'll stay up because my view would be I don't think these players would respond to someone going in. Tudor, I think, is giving them a bit of a hard time in the public eye. I don't think they like that at all. So I don't... This guy's trying... Stopping the right fib. more regimented, disciplined. It's not working. They're rejecting him. 100% they're rejecting him.

They will need someone to go in who's got more of a man-management ability.

Roy, as a manager, right, you're going into that dressing room, you see what's happening with Thomas Frank. Are you going to go in there with a bullish attitude or are you going to go in there and give them...?

Ah, love. I'd give him... bring some love. Spardis. You've got to give them something, because then the Tottenham fans would say, OK, that's what I'm saying, right? But I don't think that...

That's because the manager is out of his depth. He doesn't know how to deal with the situation. He shouldn't be there in the first place.

That explains the pictures.

And that might take them down. His little spell might take Tottenham are going down. I have a bet. Voyageurs.

What do you want?

A bag of sand?

Yeah.

I buy charity shoes. Charity, charity. No, no, no, I buy some shoes. And you buy me some shoes, yeah?

Yeah.

Shoes.

We'll get some grenades.

Spurs are staying up with a new change I think. You think another change? When do you think that change is coming? It might happen maybe after the weekend, Liverpool Sunday isn't it?

I suppose, yeah.

Is that at Anfield?

That's at Anfield, yeah.

No, Roy, you can't say it like that. You've got to say they're staying up, not with a change.

Because I could say, I think they're going down. Stick to Football is brought to you by Arm Clothing.

So this weekend, you've got Tottenham v Liverpool. Wow.

You've got Manchester United v Villa.

That's a great game.

And you've got Chelsea v Newcastle.

Wow.

So, you've got a weekend.

Right.

What, I'm excited, man. This is the time of the season when you're excited. I'm excited.

You get excited when you're competing on four fronts.

You've got four teams, right? Who is missing out on the Champions League and why? Start with you, Wazza. I want you to come around this way.

So, I think City, Arsenal, United will finish top three.

You're confident United top three?

Yeah.

I think so.

United will do it.

And then...

Villa?

I'm not sure on Villa.

If United finish top...

I think Chelsea and Liverpool.

I feel like it's Chelsea.

I think Chelsea and Liverpool maybe top five. I think Villa will...

Villa will miss out.

I think Villa might miss out. I've said Villa might miss out. I've said Willow and Miss Out. Who else missed out? I don't know, I just feel as if...

I think Chelsea get third.

Okay, let's stay here. Will Michael get the job if they finish third?

I think if they get Champions League football, he should get the job and he puts himself right up there. If they're looking for new managers,

but he definitely puts himself in poor position I think. He's doing it all eh? Not going to get it. We're not going to make a decision till the summer and then they make a decision and they keep him. I think they keep Michael. Without a doubt if he carries on doing what he's doing.

They'll get in the Champions League.

Yeah, they've got something fair and forth about them now.

More distractions.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's true.

I think they'll finish third off. I agree, Villa miss out but I think Chelsea get third. I think Villa have enough of Bowdoin.

Do you think?

Are you thinking Unai Emery, Roy? Getting him over the line? Yeah, they've been frustrating.

Some of their results, you're going, come on Villa, almost not turned up.

They've got that, but I still don't think they'll do it. I still don't think they'll have enough of it.

So who do you think misses out?

Who misses out on them, Roy? Because that's a big question.

Who I think or who I hope misses out?

I...

Do both.

You think Chelsea?

I'm right here.

I really do feel like Liverpool.

To me, I? I think Chelsea.

We can fast forward this.

I watched Liverpool last. Liverpool should have scored so many goals, even though they defended terribly. They can beat team, you know what I mean?

Yeah, you're saying Liverpool. I think Liverpool get in. I think Villa miss out, unfortunately. I actually want Villa to be in, by the way.

Yeah, me too. I'd like Villa's...

I'd like them to stay in there. It's good. I'm going to say Chelsea to myself.

Or Liverpool.

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It's the elite here, but what's the point?

You're reminded of the point.

United are 51. United are fine, I'm fine with them. Villa are 51 and I think Chelsea and Liverpool are 48.

Ooh.

See, that's different.

On the same amount of games, Neb.

Let me just have a quick look. I'm sure that's pretty much the same.

Yeah, you've got to give us more.

So, United 51, Villa 51, Chelsea, all the same games, by the way. Chelsea 48, Liverpool 48. So, it's a four-horse race for three places. I really should have seen the fixtures who they're playing as well. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I can just come in so cold on that. No foreplay! Straight in!

I gave you the most time to consider this. He went first and you're still fat feet.

Yeah, but I need to know the league, because I could have gauged my answer. Because like, who Villa got?

You know what I mean? Who Chelsea got? But you're supposed to love it. You're supposed to come to this show prepared. If you needed to beat Villa the weekend...

Yeah, I have all the graphs. You killed me.

It's a big setback for Villa again, isn't it? Just the momentum they've got.

You've missed the most important question.

I think Chelsea are going to miss out. Chelsea miss out.

Who finishes top? Oh no, we're not doing title this week. No, we're not doing title this week. Jill, don't code it. We're leaving Righty to have a...

Chelsea to Missle. Right.

Liverpool will do it.

Who are you saying? Righty, Villa?

I think Villa, Vrissa.

Villa, Chelsea, Villa.

Yeah.

Who did you say?

Wayne said Villa's won, so we both get a score. I think that point, Liverpool and Chelsea go level with Villa, United go three points clear, and I think then Villa start to slip a little bit. That's what I feel. That's your prediction, Gary.

I felt it for a few weeks. It sounds like it.

I felt it for a few weeks that Villa were just starting to...

That's how I feel. Not for a few weeks, though.

They're playing a little bad I think they should have. I got hammered on matches, they've been a while back for saying Villa would never

be anywhere near the top of the league.

Yeah, well they are though.

We're all against the Villa fans.

No, winning the league.

Winning the league.

When the fans and everyone said,

oh, can Villa win the league.

No, they were never going to win it. Villa. Villa. Villa. You're following the crowd. I'm not following, I was the first one to say Villa!

No, they're following the crowd. Yes, they're following the crowd.

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First of all, a little bit of housekeeping. We fucked up a bit.

Newcastle beat Villa.

I said that, yeah.

Yeah, you should have got an extra two points.

I knew that! That's the one I called.

I remember you were saying that to me on the...

Yes, I said it.

I know.

So there was a kind of...

And I knew you didn't check it properly the last time. That's why I kept asking you. Didn't check. I kept asking you, do you mean from the previous one? Yeah, previous week. Do you know what's happened to you and Kieran? You got sucked in with all the cricket and the Ashes. You've not focused on this job. I'm telling you, I watch you, I study you.

You're a bit distracted.

Remember you said as well to me one time, about Kieran and...

Kieran, I think, has got to stick to cricket now, A glider, a six-wicket, a duckie. Fucking hell, man. A duckie.

I can't watch it.

A duckie.

It's a duck.

It's a very good programme.

It's a lovely programme.

But he's not such a man.

It is a good programme.

I'm football through and through, Gary. Football through and through. Do you know why I know that? Because he was at Salford last night. He was. And I was. Nice one. Good win for them. I wanted to come up. It was a good win.

Yeah, very good.

The ball is in for treatment today, isn't it? He's been battered.

It was a lovely night.

It was a lovely night. And they won.

Nice one, Carlo.

Right, so last week you got four points.

Oh, look. Who were you with? Martinez and Scholes.

No Moyes, is he?

Oh, no. David Moyes saved it.

Roberto said that West Ham would beat Liverpool today,

and you fell for it.

If he said jump the river, would you jump the river?

Yeah, we got it.

Good luck, Portugal.

And then, Jul Roy-Ian, you got ten points.

Whoa! Because you got a bonus two points for the golden game. Roy got 10 points.

No!

I'm on a team game, you're on my two Hendersons.

You're on my two Hendersons.

Are you now on a half?

Oh! Oh my God! Yes!

Oh my God!

Yes, we're back!

There you go.

I can't believe it.

You're the best. I got myself as last week. Oh my God, this is terrible. No pressure. Brilliant.

This is terrible.

Burnley-Bournemouth.

You've got four points.

Saturday 3 o'clock.

Come on. Cameron's going to go mad when he gets back.

Bournemouth 3-1.

What?

Not a chance. Not that much goes wrong.

Gary, Cameron's going to a second. Bournemouth. Because you know Bournemouth, that's my team.

I know, but West Ham.

No, it's Burnley.

It's Burnley.

LAUGHTER

Burnley actually have been doing alright. They did alright against Chelsea recently. Bournemouth.

2-1. We've got 2-1.

1-2, sorry, yeah.

I'm glad we had a chat about this. Burnley, didn't they? Yeah, 1-0. 2-1. We got 2-1. 2-1 Bournemouth. 1-2, sorry, yeah.

I'm glad we had a chat about this then. Sunland, Brighton.

Is this us?

Sunland at home.

I did on Scrum and it goals.

Yeah, but we've got a good record.

Brighton a bit.

It's well better playing. In a boring 1-1. No idea. Yeah, I think maybe a draw. 1-1. We've got 1-1. We're not messing around. We're on fire.

We're on, yeah.

We've got momentum.

We've caught them up.

How is it Sunderland v Leeds away though?

Was it good?

1-0.

They've lost confidence in themselves. Look.

Do you want half a cookie?

Look at the body language. 1-0 Sunderland. No chance. Brighton will score. Wellbeck's on fire. Chelsea, Newcastle.

Saturday, 5th of January.

Is that a World Cup?

Wellbeck's just signed a new deal. Has he?

He'll go to the World Cup. He'll be great around the world.

How long did he sign?

Is he signing a two-year deal or something, Roy?

Chelsea 2-0.

Brilliant. Chelsea will win though. Newcastle won't score. They'll be Western players as well. Nah.

Although they are an old man's land in the league. Chelsea will win.

No.

2-1 Chelsea.

Yeah, that's what I was going to say.

Yeah, we haven't got a chance.

Arsenal or Everton.

Arsenal right here.

Everton. We haven't got a good record on it.

Yeah. I've scored my most goals against Everton Hearts and I've always done well against Everton. You haven't got that quality now. Wayne, when you were younger, did you say about, I used to break hearts? I broke Everton Hearts, bro. On a regular basis. I said what? Breaking Everton Hearts on a regular basis. We're going to beat them, I think.

Erm...

This is on you, isn't it?

I hope so.

So do I. when the scores are coming in, right? Sick of it. 3-0. We'll blow his phone off.

3-0.

2-0.

2-0.

To Everton.

Do you think the fans will be nervous or confident?

No, I'm confident. They're away from home, they've been good, aren't they?

Yeah.

What do you think they're going to beat us?

We'll go with?

I think 1-0. One nil Arsenal. To Everton. Boring, boring. Manchester United vs Aston Villa.

Oh, this is a good one.

2 o'clock.

Is this us?

If Villa beat them 2 o'clock Sunday.

2-1 United.

2-1 United.

Love that.

We need like a draw or something.

Power.

We can't go for a Villa win otherwise.

Big game Sunday.

We're going top four.

I know. I think a draw.

I think United beat them.

Surely there's goals in it.

No, I think Villa will get a draw. We need to go different to these. Sort of 1-1 or 2-0. It's really nice. Go 1-1. Oh! Yeah.

Or Desmond, yeah.

I actually said 1-1, so when we're tech...

Liverpool.

Liverpool versus Spurs.

Hang on, why do you think 1-1?

Because I think they'll get one goal and the other...

LAUGHTER

Super 6, it's really his aim.

Gary, you're watching!

That's analysis for you.

LAUGHTER That's analysis for you. LAUGHTER I'm confused with that question. You are an intellect, you Gary.

Why do you think that?

LAUGHTER Oi! That was brilliant.

Keep it simple, stupid.

Oh, this is us.

Liverpool top, no?

Surely.

Liverpool win.

Aaronfield, this could be bad.

Liverpool win. Yeah,, this could be bad.

Liverpool win. Yeah, 2-0 or 3-0. We give Liverpool 2-0 or 3-0?

2-0.

Yeah, 3-0.

We give Liverpool 3-0.

It's a great game to bounce back from Liverpool.

That was us as well.

Tottenham will get one. That's the end of the manager there.

They don't even it'll be that hard. Tudor's been announced as doing the press conference on Friday, so he'll still be there. So he'll still be there.

I think four then.

You go three.

Let's all go, yeah.

Three, one.

Wait a minute.

No, three what? and they could get one. Yeah, give them here. Three-one. Three-one. Feels good. Good. I think four.

What do you think?

Four.

Six.

Wow.

Go on. Six? He said six.

Go on, six.

He said six, Ben.

Okay, we'll split it. We'll go five.

Five-nil?

Er, five. No, I think Solanke or someone could score. One of those consolations, you know, where the crowd... Five-one. What are you thinking of, Gary?

Thank you, Super 6.

Fulham have never won a major trophy,

yet they made nine changes against Southampton in the FA Cup.

Is that madness?

I was pleased for Southampton as well. Delighted for Southampton. the FA Cup. Is that madness? Of course it is. Absolutely. I was pleased for Southampton as well. Delighted for Southampton. It's crazy. What are they playing for? Like Fulham and Sunderland do a save to look okay. Why are they making changes? It's crazy.

I don't get it. Absolutely.

The FA Cup's given me one of the best days of my life. I think it's pure madness, innit? Absolutely. The FA Cup's given me one of the best days of my life. I'm having the best day as a fan. And they're just taking everything away from me. Sad.

It's literally just survival there.

That's what it is, eh? They're just playing for survival and not bothered about it.

And Fulham had a taste of it last year. Fulham getting knocked out by Palace and the quarter-finals.

They nearly got there last year in terms of getting to a semi-final. I may go for it this year. I saw Hansen played well, to be fair. I don't get me wrong. The FA Cup, it's a great trophy. It's our childhood, sort of like what would be... We just grew up with it. The thing is, Manchester United were accused of killing the FA Cup when they didn't take part in 2000 after the 1999 Champions League.

But that was a disgrace as well.

So it's a disgrace. We get it. But what has actually, why is the Carabao Cup, which is to be fair, always seen as a lesser competition, thriving, be a brilliant final in a couple of weeks, be amazing, Manchester City versus Arsenal, it'll be absolutely bouncing, like a carnival, yet the FA Cup suffers.

What's happening? I think because it's played earlier, and then the FA Cup obviously for the Premier League teams starts in January and these rounds now will come towards the end of the season.

What does the FA Cup need to do? And there's less games in the Carabao Cup to get to the final isn't there? For the top teams in Europe, you only have to win two or three games and you're in the

second or final.

Should you get in the Champions League if you win the FA Cup over finishing fifth in the league. I think that's a good one to bring back. That would bring it back straight away. Yeah, but the FA Cup has, you know, you've picked out a couple of games there, but the FA Cup has been pretty good the last year. I think the magic has come back into it. Obviously, you can look at a couple of games there,

like you can isolate a few teams, you go, what's happened there?

It's not a big team. in the division or to get Europe or whatever. And otherwise, the Liverpool Cups. They should have ring-fenced the FA Cup. The FA Cup should not be on terrestrial. It should be on terrestrial for a start. Everybody should be able to see it. That's what I was watching when I was young.

ITV in particular.

Absolutely. But you know what?

And then get that good pundit in.

I remember my best moments, which we played in in 96, when we beat Liverpool in the Canternight squad. I don't know, the 1-0. Still one of the best moments of my life as a fan.

And played in an FA Cup final, it's amazing.

Honestly, it was.

But in 95, we lost to Everton in the quarter-final.

That was the best moment.

It was good. The Champions League and the amount of press and the amount of coverage it gets, it's superseded the FA Cup in respects of youngsters and everything. That's what they look for. The FA Cup is it, they should have done more to make sure that the FA Cup. But what can they do here?

I don't know what they can do. I've seen, people used to say, can you win, if you win the FA Cup, you get automatic into the Champions League.

That's the only thing that can do it. But it shouldn't be... The incentive of winning a trophy shouldn't always be another reward. The incentive should be, I'm winning a trophy. There doesn't have to be another bonus on top of that.

We're talking about to try and get into it.

For managers, we're prioritising the Premier League now. No, but a couple of examples. I understand a team near the bottom, but when you're talking about Sunderland and Fulham are in a great, decent league positions, I understand some of the managers near the bottom going I kind of want to be out of the FA Cup I can get my head round that but not when teams are in a decent position in the Premier League

Like Fulham for example

I've gone to the FA Cup run and what that does is it don't have... It was a...

I don't know

Wayne, does nothing but pluses come when you win football matches?

Yeah, not to me but someone was struggling

and then he won the FA Cup was... What's the time? What's the time, yeah? What's the time, yeah? Oh yeah, do you know what... The FA Cup was the start of the season. Obviously, when you win a few football matches, you're going to your training ground the next day. Whatever competition it is, your training ground is in a better place. I've got a suggestion here. So basically, it's obviously the FA Cup is struggling to bring in the sponsors. obviously last season, you win 1.8 million. Let me ask you a question on there again.

How much per place is the Premier League prize money?

Because it's a history of the club, isn't it?

No, no, but Jill, you're talking about now, a bit more of a cold-hearted business situation. Yeah. Right, so each Premier League place is 3.1 million. So if you finish one place higher in the Premier League, you get 3.1 million. If you finish two places higher, you get 6.2.

What is the answer?

And then to win the FA Cup, you get 1.8 million to win it. So if you're full of...

You need memories, man, for life and...

Roy, I get it. My point is players and the supporters aren't driven by money. No. I get the supporters completely. But it can't all be about the dollar.

Not everything can be about the fucking dollar.

No, so the only two things I think that are going to make clubs force their managers to play, I think, full teams is going to be to give more money for winning the FA Cup. That means the Premier League would have to fund the FA Cup, that means the Premier League would have to fund the FA Cup and say the winners get 15, 20 million as an example, why wouldn't they get a lot of money for winning the Premier League? The FA Cup they should. Or they have to go in the Champions League for 15 million.

But a manager's job should be to try and go out and give my team the best chance to win every football match they're playing in. That's the motto I think at Real Madrid, that is And obviously you have a squad and sometimes you have to balance it out with games coming up. I get it, we see Newcastle and Noon Exit. Yeah of course, but the principals have been involved in any sports, whether you're a footballer, rugby, hurling, whatever you might be playing as,

can I go out and perform and win this game today?

So do you still have a rule in where you could only make so many changes?

Make two or three changes?

Well that could be you can only make three changes from your previous team. What about the FA Cup? When we were younger and we were growing up, the FA Cup was huge. And the World Cup. You never... When you're a kid and you have that passion, you're a manager, a supporter... But Roy... Money was never involved in your decision making. But no one's in doubt of what the FA Cup was It's not just Fulham, it's every club.

I think the FA Cup last year has got its kind of magic back. I think it has, but you always get one or two clubs a bit isolated. But I think generally speaking, you still look at the teams left in it. You had Port Vail there, but there's still a couple of big hitters. I don't think anyone's written it off. What United done, what we'd done years ago, when you look at it, we had no control of it, was an absolute disgrace when you think about it. Put all the FA Cup to get a vote for something

that you never even got.

I think they were full on winning it. 1975, the last time.

I think last season, the Palace winning it should have made teams look at it and think, do you know what?

Of course. When you look at the monies though, it's true. If it's 1.8 to win that FA Cup, but then you can finish up and you're getting free... They're going to prioritise that. They are going to prioritise that. It's all about money.

Every conversation we have nowadays is, why is everything about the dollar?

Because that's what everything is in the world at the moment.

It's not about sport, it's about passion and enjoyment. Do you know what the top sports people, when you talk about contract, the top sports people go, but it's nothing to do with money. It's nothing to do with money.

You're going to win because you're playing, because you love the game.

Yeah, but the people who run the game.

Yeah, but let's not forget about their common goal.

Yeah, but right, it's the people who run the game that will make the managers listen. We've got to make sure that we save these players. I know. Highly edited scenes. Greatest, greatest, greatest ever day. Greatest day ever. Always sunny.

That's what I mean, you don't look back and go off and it's heat.

Imagine scoring in one.

Hey, imagine scoring in a fake up final.

Scoring in two.

Hey.

Two.

Off the bench.

Four in two.

How many did you score in finals?

In general finals? No, in a fake up final. Okay, last question. Oh, sorry. I scored loads of semi-finals. You have to get the semis to get to the finals.

What in what? In finals? I didn't score in FA Cup finals.

League final.

No, I scored two.

Did you score in a FA Cup final?

I scored two.

Champions League.

You never scored in an FA Cup final? Not today, no.

Yeah, two against Sheffield. How many FA Cups did you win? Only one. We lost the one to Arsenal.

Oh, the one when you batted?

Yeah. And then Chelsea, Drogba next time.

How many did you win?

How many did you win, Gary?

Three.

Chelsea have had seven red cards in the Premier League alone this season. Considering they've had different managers across the season, is this purely down to the players themselves rather than some form of tactical approach?

You called it the other day, didn't you?

I like he brought up this conversation, red cards,

because I got a few.

Yeah, but then you should be the person who's talking about it.

I was looking at this the other week, after seven red cards, Steve... Is that over the whole season?

Seven's a lot. I don't think they've won a game after you. In those seven?

In the seven games.

But seven, do you think seven to me doesn't sound a lot?

Of course for a season.

Is that a lot, seven?

Who's the other team closest to them? Right, it's like playing a fifth of your season with ten men in it basically in games. It's a lot. How many other teams? Have we got the stats on that? Who's the nearest to Mr. Moore? Chelsea top, let's do the... Let's go back to Cotton Pilot. What are you saying, Cotton Pilot?

Is it a discipline problem he's trying to say, Gal?

Most red... Have they got a discipline problem? Most red cards...

I got a red card in the League Cup final.

I saw a boss's name, Neto, pull down... Who was it he pulled down? Is he stupid? It was... That's... Then you look at it and you think, well that's just indiscipline. He's got players covering. I don't even think there was an Arsenal player running in there. And he chopped him down on the line. He's way out here.

Everton 4. Joe, I've just put in Coal Pilot about red cards and Premier League. Joe, I've just put in Coal Pilot about red cards and Premier League. Just says Roy Keane.