Young M.A On Health Scare, Alcohol Battle, Relationships, Brother’s Death, God, Brooklyn & Music

What about when the fan recorded you in the wheelchair at the grocery store without your consent?

Yeah, that was weird.And it's crazy because we were seeing her, and she was acting like she was on the phone the whole time she was recording.

You're oblivious to your surroundings.

What if I just ain't want to walk?

You were lazy that day, huh?Yeah, I was lazy.I was tired.I mean, because I find that you stealing the motor ride, the motor ride, you going around the grocery store as a schooler.Hey, I do that now.

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I am your host, Shannon Sharpe.I'm also the proprietor of Club Shea Shea.Stopping by for conversation today is one of the most celebrated names in hip hop.One of rap's most successful independent artists with over 3 billion streams.She's gone quadruple platinum, a blockbuster rapper, a viral hit maker, a talented songwriter, a groundbreaking entertainer, global chart -topping lyricist, a household name, and a culture sensation and an entrepreneur.She's a relatable voice of the people and a defining voice of New York.

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A.My boy.I hook you up, I did you right.I like that, I like that, that was fun.

I appreciate your time.Appreciate it.If you don't mind, I'd like to start here.You had been dealing with some health issues, and if you don't mind, because maybe someone's going to watch this and they'll receive and do what you did and take a course of action and become better.So what happened to the best of your estimation?

As far as like just a situation.

Yeah.

Um, the lifestyle, you know what I mean?Um, just, you know, a lot moving fast, dealing with personal things, you know what I mean?The music on top of everything, the fame.Um, and then, you know, you got, you know, situations in your life that kind of like, you know, tarnished you, like losing, you know, somebody close to me.

Correct.

And, um, you know, just a lot of stuff just start to kick, you know, catch up to you.Um, And, you know, I got, you know, stuck at a dead end at one point in my life.So, yeah.

Did this, you said, the lifestyle, was this before you had started and it kind of accelerated because of the fame?Because now all of a sudden you have money.Did it accelerate once you became famous or was something that started once you became famous?

Um, I mean, you know, it was, it was always, There not I mean was always there was always, you know something we did turn it up But it got to a point where it became a consumption, you know, um, and it was uncontrollable right one point You know what?I mean, and I didn't see that coming, right?You know, I mean it kind of scared me kind of threw me off track a little bit and I didn't know how to handle it.So, you know before it was just like a Occasional thing to turn up thing, you know, you hanging with the bros.Yeah, then it became you know We turn it up all the time.

Yeah.

It was like, if we keep turning up, when do we turn down?

Yeah, man. I mean, it got to that point, but yeah.Basically, that when do we turn down?

Right.How hard was it for you to change those habits?Because sometimes we get into a situation where we do something over and over and over again, and people don't realize how hard it is to change a habit, be it good or bad.A lot of times when you're a hard worker, it works because you're a hard worker.You do the same thing over and over and you're good.Also, but when you have bad habits, those are also hard to change and they might be even harder to change.

than the good right?

I think it kind of stemmed from slowing down Okay, you know what?I mean everything start to slow down and now the the consumption is kind of in your view, right?You're not as busy.You know what?I mean your mind is dwelling on things more, right?and um, you know, it came to that point and basically getting over it was um, you know, It wasn't really a struggle to get over it.

Okay, because it wasn't nothing that I really wanted to do.

Right.

You know, it wasn't something like, like, I gotta, you know what I mean?I gotta do this.It was just like a hill I was trying to get over at that point in my life.And I knew I was going to get over it.

Okay.

You know, that was that was what I knew I was going to do.Right.And so I'm saying, and when I did, you know, I ain't look back, basically.

Whether the situation because a lot of times we we If we have bad habits, sometimes it's a situation that we make sure we don't put ourselves in that situation where the bad habits can arise.Sometimes it's the people that we're hanging around.Sometimes we have to cut people off because there are reasons some of the bad habits keep occurring and we have to look like, damn, I sure hate to do this, but I've been around this person and every time I'm around him or her, something bad goes wrong.

Yeah.And that's definitely a situation I think I was around, but I don't like to blame others.

You know what I mean?

It's really on me.You know what I mean?I'm grown enough to make my decisions, so I can't really stem on that because I was the one making those choices.You understand?But yeah, man, just basically, you know, just getting past that situation and really focusing on, you know, what I do best.You know what I mean?

It just got to that point, I had to get over it.Like, I was too consumed in my personal life.I'm that type of person too at the same time where I do separate the two.You know what I mean?Like even on the internet, I don't bring nothing personal.A lot of people don't know a lot about me.

right, you know what I mean?When it come to music is just music, right?That's what I try to keep it as you know what I mean?and I got to a point where I kind of got pulled into the personal a little more than the music because the music was at a At a standstill so you know what I mean?But like far as the drinking in itself, it really caught up to me Unexpectedly, um because I was it was a normal thing at first right then Too much consumption caught up to me and then I didn't realize what I was really doing to my body.People don't understand that.

When you used to something normally, like it's just a normal thing, because it never was like a habit.But when it turned into that, it became scary.And I didn't know that part.You know what I'm saying?So that's why I said getting over it was something I wanted to do because it was like, I ain't used to this part.You know what I mean?

Well, who is that person?And I don't know, maybe you looked in the mirror and did a self -reflection or a self -check, but who is the person that pulled you aside and say, this ain't it?

God.God.Because I'm the type of person, I don't really seek help from people.Like, I'm a self -healer.

OK. I got myself into this.I'm going to get myself out of it.Yeah, I get myself out.

Like, I kind of block the world out.

OK.OK.

And that's exactly why you didn't see me so active in music.

OK.

Because I knew I had to handle this before they see that.Right.You know what I mean?So, yeah, basically that.

You know, sometimes, is that it's the battles that people don't see that are the toughest for us to overcome.Because, you know, because a lot of times if someone sees that you're going through something, they're going to cheer you on.Because, you know, you're going to a football game and everybody's cheering and everybody's getting right.You go to a sporting event and everybody's cheering and everybody's getting right.But you're suffering.You're dealing with this on your own.

No one really knows what you're going through.And sometimes,we get in our own head and the toughest battle to overcome is the one that we yes Yes, yes that we tell ourselves.

Yeah, absolutely And um, yeah God, I mean ain't really nothing else to you know, explain by that it was just something that you know, I had to acknowledge and once I acknowledged that I That was it for me.

You acknowledge, you deal with, you dealt with it.Um, and it's probably going to be something you'll have to deal with every, every single day.You'll wake up and have to make a conscious decision.Well, I want to be the best version of me.How has your life improved since you made that decision?Say, you know what?

The old, that ain't going to cut it moving forward.Um, health, health as well.

Health is wealth, man.You know what I mean?Fitness.And just the the relationship with God, okay, you know people a lot of people don't know the difference It's like you can believe in God.

Mm -hmm.

But do you know how to have a relationship?Mm -hmm And I think that was like my crossover.It's like I believed in God right always put God first, right?But I after this after this situation I created a relationship Oh, man, you know some saying that's it's a different feeling.It's a different energy motivation.There's I'm saying And, um, it led me into, you know, just seeing, even seeing like my mom's, for example, just, you know, we already lost, you know, she already lost a child.

Right.

So just imagine what that was for her.You know what I mean?

Right.

And that was also a reality check for me is like, I don't want to do this to my mom.

Right.And so you're like, okay, I made this decision.You said, were you religious growing up?Were you brought up in the church?Uh, because you said, I believed in God and you know, Hey, I pray for things, but I didn't have a relationship with God.And if you don't mind equate, uh, can you explain to our viewers and listeners out there the difference between me and God?

who God is and now cultivating a relationship with God?

Yes, because I think it's when you go through something.Yeah.That's how that's, that's, that's, I think that's how that's created because you can grow up going to church.You know what I mean?You got your grandmother or your mother or somebody just taking you because it's just a traditional thing and you just know the surface of it.

Yeah.

But when you go through something like, I don't know how to explain it.It's like you have to go through something.You know, you can't explain that to somebody that never went through something because it's still going to lay on the surface for them.

It's a situation a lot of times we have success and we're like, oh, thank you, God, for this.But when you go through something and you have to say, Lord, have mercy.

Yeah.

Boy, it open your eyes, won't it?Yes.Because a lot of times when we have success, we really think it's us.Yeah.We really think it's us.But he said, you know what?

I'll make you call on me.

And that's another thing.You know, what's crazy is that I always put God first.I never was this cocky artist.

OK.

I've been humble my whole entire life, career, everything.You know what I mean?Like my fans even know that.And I always put God first.But like now is like that part is easy to say God did it because everything's good and gold and glitter.But when you at a low point and God pull you out of it, that's where you see The difference in, oh yeah, God did that.

Yeah, he did that, but God did that.You know what I'm saying?Yes.That's the difference right there.

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My music is one thing, you have access to that, have at it.But what I'm going through personal, I don't want nobody to see that.And when you saw that, how did that make you feel?

All right, so let me explain that situation.Basically, when I did go there, he asked me, was he able to record me?At that time, when I first, this was like around the time I first got out the hospital, probably a week after.Right.I was, my mind, see that's the difference is, I can really go deep into this because I never talked about this.Okay.

But the day I got out the hospital, I was already, my mind was ahead of, I didn't even look back.Okay.Like it wasn't like I dwelled on what I was going through.

Right.

My mind was, I gotta get back to doing what I need to do.

Okay.

Because that's where I was at the whole time.I didn't think I was going to die.I wasn't scared.I wasn't afraid.Nothing.My mind, I already knew I was going to get out of it.

You know what I'm saying?So in my mind, it's get back to the normal schedule program.Let me go get a cut.It's been a month.

You know what I'm saying?

I went to the barber like I always do.Went to the barber.Mind you, in my mind, I don't think I look like that.

All you see is you.You're like, hey, I'm good.

I see the future.I see what I'm about to do again.I didn't see me. I didn't see how I looked at that time.I felt like I looked like myself.It's almost scary to know, but I felt like maybe that happened for a reason.Like, maybe it needed to be posted, because I would have kept it to myself.

But don't you think that's kind of foul?He saw how you looked.No.

Listen, when he posted it, he asked me could he post it.That's why I reposted it.

But why would he even ask you that?Think about it.your man came in here, you know, he had gone through something.You see that he doesn't look the same.You know what he looked like before he, that happened to him.You wouldn't go to him and ask him, bro, you mind if I post this?

Because he's not thinking you weren't thinking because like you said, you can see we're the last to see.We're the last to see what we actually, what the shell looks like outside.You know, something was going on inside.Maybe they didn't, but the surface level, they can see.And for him, look, That's your boy.And I ain't trying to cause no thing, but for me, ain't no way in good conscious.

I could have done that knowing.Cause I see like, damn.

Yeah.

Your mind is like, nah, I don't want nobody to see my man's like this, but you forgave him.You say we all good over here.

I ain't even look at it like that.My mind was, you know what I mean?Like even now it was like, it was meant, you know, this ain't my house.

day one mans.You know what I mean?

You know what I mean?Like, nah, this ain't one of my day one mans.It's just, we don't want her to bother.Right, right.Casually going to him.But that's what I'm saying.

Yeah.Oh, so that explains it.

Because I don't think your day one would have done that, would have put you in that situation.But what about when the fan recorded you in the wheelchair at the grocery store without your consent?

Yeah, that was weird.That was weird.And it's crazy because we was seeing her.And she was acting like she was on the phone the whole time she was recording.

That's what gets you in it.

Yeah, man.It's because you know what it is, too.Like, I'm such a...I be out.You ain't pay to eat.

Hey, I'm going here for sex.Man, I'm going to get some food.Yeah, I'm doing this what I'm doing.You're the oblivious to your surroundings.

What if I just ain't want to walk?

You was lazy that day, huh?Yeah, I was lazy.I was tired.Let me find out you stealing the motor ride.You going around the grocery store in the scooter.Hey, I do that now.

But, I mean, you know, at the end of the day, I mean, everything, like I said, bro, these things were supposed to be seen.I don't think it was meant to be hidden.And that's how I look at life, like, you know what I mean?

Right.And then someone that you were seeing at the time, unfortunately, posted an old video of you actually in the hospital.The yellow eyes, the IVs.That had to hurt because, like I said, that's a different situation.That's someone that you believed in, that y 'all confided in, that y 'all shared a lot of personal things.And for her to do that, you had to feel some type of way.

Yeah, absolutely.I did.It threw me off.It definitely did throw me off.But we did talk about that situation.you know, behind the scenes.

Um, she apologized.Um, we talked about it.It's something I don't really want to get too deep into because, you know, you moved on.

You're good with that.

I moved on.

Right.Yeah.Okay.I can, I can, I can figure with that.But I think sometimes we want to tell our own story, whatever, whatever it be a good, bad or indifferent.Yeah.

Allow me. I don't need anybody to try to write this down for me because only I know what I went through.Exactly.

And it's something I speak about in the music too as well.So, you know, um, like for instance, open scars, You know, I speak about that on the album.Even in the video, I kind of show brief images of me in the hospital.But yeah, it is definitely something where, you know, this is why I'm sitting here now.You know what I mean?You're the first one to even have this side.

But yeah.

Given everything that you've gone through up until now in this battle, Does it make it more selective of who you trust?Because a lot of times we can, we really don't know a person because we might think we know a person really, really well.And they've never shown a side that would cause you to believe that this person would do something like this.And then all of a sudden you like, damn, how did I miss the sign that there was a potential that you could do something like this?So have you become more selective in who you trust and who you deal with?

Yeah.Cause I've always been like that.So that's why it definitely threw me off, because I've always been attentive to those type of things, you know what I mean?But yeah, absolutely.Like, 10 times worse.You know what I mean?

It's 10 times my radar, you know what I mean?

You've gone to rehab in the past.So let me ask you a question.

Nah.

I didn't go.You didn't go?No.Somebody put that out there, huh?

Yeah.I mean, I was attempting to, but I never did.

Okay.

Yeah.

So you like to say, I like to self -heal.I like to do things on my own because...So I'm going to tell you that story.Okay.

So I didn't go.there.

Okay.

I dropped off there.Yeah.And then I looked around.Because in my mind, I didn't feel like rehab was what I needed.Right.Because I didn't have an addiction.

Okay.

You know what I'm saying?Like, it wasn't no addiction for me.It was like, something else is...I need to heal from.Something else, you know, is wrong that I need to change.

Okay.It's not the addiction.Okay.So, when I'm...When I first get there, And I go inside and basically sign up.I wasn't in there for not even 20 minutes.

Damn.Yeah.I went in there.

Hey, you should have told him to just wait outside, cuz.

I'd be right back out.Listen, damn near.So I went inside.OK. I did meet this young lady.She was a fan.OK.

And she was like, what you doing in here?I said, I don't know.Sounds like a good question.Right.And she was telling me her situation.And I was like, damn.

Like, you, you know, you have some shit going there.You need to be there.You know what I'm saying?And then she's basically like, yeah, there's more people.When I look around, I see people that's like, they're not even knowledgeable or aware of their surroundings.Yeah, it's like you could tell they drugged up or something.

And I seen that, and I'm like, oh, yeah, I don't belong here.So I went to the front desk and told the lady, I said, I'm leaving.Like, I'm leaving.She's like, oh, you have to do that.So I don't have to do nothing.So I call my people.

I'm like, y 'all come back and get me. I'm staying here.And I got up out of there and went bowling after that.Crazy.Yeah, that was it.That was it.Yeah, that was it.

That was it.

But you thought and then you got around and look.And I think you so you saw some of the people that were in there and you like, I'm nothing like that.

Man, but I knew that too.I just did it for my moms.

OK.

You know what I mean?She didn't really know what to do.And it was really for that.But when I went in there, man, I said, let me heal myself.Let me get it together.But you know, it's unfortunate that it took me going to the hospital to really change that situation for me.

It wasn't going to be rehab.I mean, rehab, it was almost like they threw a rug over the dirt.They ain't clean it up.Ain't clean it up.When I went to the hospital, I had nurses that was West Indian and, you know, was praying for me.Yeah, it was different.

Yeah.You know, it was different with the hospital.You know, very supportive black women.

That's what you needed.

Yes.Yes.And of course, I had my mother.

Right.

But yeah.

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Yeah, man.That was my kryptonite.Um, yeah.And it was a lot of, a lot of people was coming up with other drugs and stuff.I ain't never know what was troubling my life.It was alcohol and a vape pen.

You know what I mean?I never even smoked a cigarette.

Yeah.Some weed.A little weed.

Yeah.But all the other stuff they was, yeah, I want to declare that too.I'm scared of drugs.So they crazy.But, um, No, I want you to finish this, yeah.Um, I don't even remember when we...

Okay, because you said, uh, you know, alcohol was what you used to cope and deal with a lot of things.So how often were you drinking?Did you get up first thing in the morning and before breakfast or during breakfast?So how often during the course of a day would you say you drank?

It got to a point where it got bad.Before, it was just turning up occasionally.It was the vibes, it was we lit.And yeah, I mean, we did drink a lot, but it got to a point where it was...Every morning.

Yeah.All day.Well, I mean, was it a pint?Was it a fill?Was it a half?Was it a gallon?

I mean, how much would you say?

It was a bottle.A day.It got to that point, though.I have a good point.Nah.Nah.

Nah, it was Yeah, it was a bottle.Okay Oh, yeah, 750.Yeah 750 by yourself.Yeah, it got to a point.It wasn't the whole time, right?It just got to a point.

You know what it was with it.It was the withdrawals I was scared of the withdrawals were scary.I didn't know how to handle that I didn't know what that was right?So when I drunk It calmed me down.

Right.

I didn't know what that was.

But you do realize you was throwing dirt over that rug.You were throwing that rug over that dirt that you were talking about earlier.Absolutely.

Absolutely.Absolutely.Absolutely.

So was it something you were dealing with personal?Yes.That you didn't really understand how I need to attack this head on that you was trying to mask?What were you running from?Was it relationship?Was it something in your personal life as far as family?

Was it the music?What were you going through that said, man?

It was a little bit of all.It was, it was, you know, family.It was kind of me and my mother's relationship, um, relationships, friendships, um, and the music, of course, you know what I mean?I just felt, I felt disconnected.I felt like, you know, ever since, uh, you know, like 2020 hit COVID time, everything kind of just, you know, just went off track.It was like, I don't know.

And I never been, and I didn't live where, like I moved, I moved from my house.I didn't move, but I like left my house and got another crib somewhere, but I still had my house in Jersey.And then I moved to Georgia and - So you in the A?Yeah.Okay.So I moved to Georgia, but I was still back and forth.

But I was, I had got a crib out there in Georgia and it was kind of like the gang crib.

Yeah.

And that was one of my first.

Well, you did you think like how long do we I'm from Brooklyn?I mean Jersey that ain't nothing but a short commute I'm going way to Atlanta now cuz I was in Atlanta a lot.Okay.

I was always in Atlanta So it was like I need to get a place here.Okay, I'm here too much.

Yeah, right Airbnb.Yeah.

Yeah waste the money.Okay, so So, and at that time, New York wasn't as productive.You know, Atlanta was more open and it was more opportunity in Atlanta.So, you know, I took my, my, my, my, my ways to Atlanta.And, um, it was just, I went in the wrong way.I went in with that demon mindset.

You know what I'm saying?And I never did nothing like that.When I was, when I had my house in Jersey, I, I, I came with a different aura, energy, peace, more, you know, in control.That's my house.But when I moved to Atlanta, I got like a little, you know, a little condo spot.

Yeah.

The bros come stay with me.

Yeah.

We about to turn this shit up.I came with a different mind.

Right.

Came in with the drinking.And then, um, you know, another thing, too, I wind up, uh, getting into business with a liquor brand.So that really, I think that was definitely a part of the reason why it really spiraled.Right.Because it became Because music ain't as happening, so now I'm jumping into a liquor brand, and now that becomes the main attention for me.

You from Brooklyn.Give me some of your favorite memories of growing up in Brooklyn.

You don't have any good memories of Brooklyn?Nah, there's a lot of good memories of Brooklyn.Um, sheesh, I was outside, I mean.Being at the park, Lincoln Terrace Park, with my cousins.This was when I was a kid?

Yeah.

Yeah, as a kid, summer camp, the park, on the block, manhunt.Red light, green light, corn and snow.I mean, like...

So, as a kid, what did you want to be?So, as a kid, you ain't not...

Well, I also lived in Virginia, too.Really?Yes.I'm surprised you don't got that on there.Yeah, I lived in Virginia for a minute.I grew up a lot in Virginia.

So, what did you want to be when you were growing up?Be it in Brooklyn or Virginia, what did you want to be?What did you see for...I mean...

I mean, I always wanted to be a rapper.

Always.

I was a tomboy, though.Okay.I was playing football.Damn.Yeah.I was the only girl on the football team.

I got a picture too.Yeah.

So, so cheerleading wasn't it for you?

Nah, hell no.Hell no.I didn't even think about, I would, listen man, this something not like, this something that stemmed in me so young that I didn't even understand it.

Right.

You know what I mean?I thought it was weird.

Right.So you always been one of the bros?

Nah, for real.For real.Yes.Always.

So you and girl, y 'all didn't have, you didn't have nothing, you didn't want no dogs, and you didn't want no easy bacon?

When my moms got me dogs, I used to cut the hair off.And I used to try to make it into a boy, like some of them are boys.So they gave you a barber, you turned them into kids.Yeah, man, because she ain't never give me the kids.You know what I mean?She ain't never give me, like, boy toys.

But I understand, you know, her daughter.But no, but I wasn't really in the house.Like, I was always outside.I was playing football.I'm playing basketball.I'm outside.

So you playing with the guys.

You weren't playing with the girls.

Yes, I was with the bros, for sure.Yes, since a kid, since a little mini me.

Yes.Your mom was Jamaican.And you said, at one point, she said,point, half Jamaican.Half, part she and part Jamaican.She part Jamaican and?

Black, she black.Okay.Yeah, my mom's black.

And so growing up, what was your relationship like with your mom?

Oh, I love my moms.Okay.Yeah, that's my everything.You know what I mean?Growing up, my mom was thorough.My mom is real Brooklyn.

Yeah.

Everybody know my mom for real.You know what I mean?

Was she tough on you?

My mom was like one of those parents where she wasn't she was strict.Yeah, but she was lenient at the same time It was like she got us what we want, you know, but she still made sure we was punished right when you think I mean, but now my mom's was like I had the best childhood, right?

Yes, absolutely.Your dad was Puerto Rican.

Yeah, my dad Puerto Rican.Yes, a Puerto Rican black.Yeah Yeah, cuz somebody I mean where I'm from in New York.

Yeah, Puerto Ricans is black.Okay, we all black.

Okay.

Yeah Dominicans Yeah.

Unfortunately, your father's incarcerated.Do you still maintain a relationship with your father?

He's incarcerated.Not now.

Yeah, but I'm saying...When he was?Yeah.

My mom would take us to go see him every now and then when she could, but that's kind of all it was.Right.You know what I mean?He wasn't never like a father that was like, I don't want my child.

Right.

You know what I mean?He just couldn't be there because he was locked up for so many years.And, you know, when he did finally come out, you know, he tried to, but it wasn't...It wasn't like, you know, like fully full on.Yeah, right.He still had to adjust.

So I don't take blame.Like I never was against my father.You know what I mean?It's just like, I knew my father had situations that, you know, unfortunately, how, how were you when he went in?

Was he, how did you, do you remember when he went in?Yes.I think I was like almost one.Okay.Yeah.I was really,

I was a baby.So you grew up with him being incarcerated?

Yeah, yeah.Oh, okay.

Yeah.Did you understand what that meant?Did your mom break it down to you and say, unfortunately, your father is not here, your father's incarcerated?Yeah, we knew what it was.Okay.

We was, I mean, I'm a 90s baby, so that was, like, a normal thing back then, like, daddy's somewhere, da -da -da.But no, my mom's, my one thing I could say about my mom, she was, like, she never, put his name down, even though the circumstances they went through, she never downed them.She, you know, she always acknowledged us that he was our father.I mean, he was my father.

Do you guys currently have a relationship?Yeah.Yeah.Yeah.

Yeah.I talked to my pops.

That's awesome.Yeah.You know, you don't, you don't hold that against him that he was incarcerated and you didn't really like grow up with him in your life.

Right.I used to, like when I was a kid, sometimes I didn't understand, like when he did come out, I didn't understand.Like, what was his duty, like, as a father?Like, are you really supposed to be a father?But I was so used to my mom playing both roles.Doing everything.

That it didn't really affect me.It just was like, you know, yeah, I know you my dad, but we didn't have a relationship.Now, you know, I'm older, so it's kind of like, you know, that's pop, you know what I mean?

You mentioned earlier, you played tackle football with actual helmet and shoulder pads.

Yeah, yeah, equipment, for sure.So you got down like that, huh?Yes.What position you play?I was running back.I was second string running back.

And, um, wide receiver.What?Yeah.

Number 86.You catch the touchdown?

Yeah.Come on, man.What about, do you play?See, the only thing is, too, it was my first year, so I didn't start.

Okay.

And I was a girl.Right.They was real skeptical about me even being on the team, but, like, all my bros and stuff was, like, telling the coach, like, no, coach, you can really play.Okay.You know what I mean?So it got to that point, but I only played one year.

Right.I wish I was able to play two, but, yeah.

Did you, uh, play a lot?you were on offense.Did you play defense?Did you want to tackle somebody?

Yeah, I played defense too.I was, I think I was better kind of on defense.I'm not going to lie, because I used to play around the neighborhood.

Okay.

And, um, you know, we ain't play with no equipment.When you play in the neighborhood, there's no equipment.

I'm on concrete.

You know what I mean?Right there, bow.So, um, nah, I was, I ain't gonna lie.I hate to like really say what I want, because I was really nice.Like, for a female, I was nice.Like, I was nice.

Like, I would be the first person they pick on the team.

Damn!Nah, for real.Nah, they'll tell you.For real.So you like, so if, if I were to describe you, you on defense, you like, yeah, that's what you like.Ray Lewis, Ed Reed.

I mean, you, you, that type of defender ain't got nothing on me.You see, now they do have a women's league where they had, where they, you know, they tackle and things like that.

If they'd had that, when you grow it up with you to play.Yeah.Yeah.I think I would have been into sports either basketball.Basketball was like my second favorite sport.But football was like my go -to.

Right.

Yeah.Was it because the bros played football?That's why you wanted to play football?I thought I was a boy.

I really thought I was a boy.I wasn't even, I didn't care about the bros.In my mind, I was the bro.It was just in me.My brother, you know, my older brother.

Yes.And you said you wanted to be just like him.

I wanted to be like my brother.

Right.And so whether the situation, because your father was incarcerated, he was there, did you look at him as a father figure?My brother?Yes.

Um, kind of no, because he used to get on my nerves.My brother was, man, oh, he was a big brother for sure.But he was, me and my brother, like, we would fight.

Right.

Like, fight.Yeah, you're supposed to.

Physical fight.Yeah, you're supposed to.I mean, I'm trying to figure a situation where somebody was sibling and they didn't fight.Yeah.that's a that's a rite of passage You gotta fight.How much older is it to you?

Uh, three and a half.Yeah, see?I'm three.My brother's three years older than me.My sister's eight years older than me. I tried to fight him.I couldn't understand why I couldn't beat him, though.

Because it didn't dawn on me, bro, he's three years older than you.Your sister's eight years older than you.It didn't dawn on me that I wasn't supposed to beat him.Right.You're my brother's sister.We got to do it.

We used to love.

You used to go at it.

Yes.

Yes.

But, yeah.

Obviously, you knew you were a young lady growing up.How long did you, like, Man, I don't really have nothing in common with no chick.I ain't got nothing in common.I, I...I'm forever.

My whole life.Really?Yeah, because even when I used to, like, be around my cousins and stuff, I wasn't...I was always the boyish cousin.Right.Like, the boyish female.

Right.As I'm saying, I was the more aggressive female.I used to always kind of be mean.I was kind of a mean kid.Damn!Yeah.

I was a little mean.Like, I was a little...I used to fight my cousins and beat them up sometimes.I was a little mean.Right.You know what I mean?

I used to beat up boys in the neighborhood, too.Damn, you rockin' like that?Yeah, it was, you know what I mean?But, I mean, you know, you're a kid, so you don't know no better.But no, I never, I never, I don't know, I just never did.I didn't know what it was to be a girl -ish girl.

Like, I tried.

Right.And when I got older, I tried, but...That was too, it was too far.Couldn't do it.What did your mom say?Because did your mom know early on that, you know what, she different.

I don't really see anything that makes me think that she wants to be a young lady.Um, the way, because like you said, you play tackle football, which really wasn't common.Um, you know, you hanging up, probably hanging out with the guys, which, and you're like, you got, well, why don't you go hang out?Why don't you hang out with, with Susan and Jasmine?And you're like, I don't want to hang out with them.My mom ain't never do that.

She didn't.

My mom never even try to comemy preference in anything.I never told her, you know, what I prefer to date.

Yeah.

For a long time because I was scared.I didn't understand.

What don't you think she knew?

I think my mom knew.I think my mom knew.I think my mom just was waiting for me.

Waiting for you to tell.You said your brother was your like grew up being a father figure and and said, you date the same type of women your older brother?You looked at his leg like, yeah.

I'm trying to think.Yeah, I ain't gonna lie.My brother was wild, man.He was with anything.Man, my brother was with anything, man.If I could tell him today, I'd be like, you had some dirt, bro.

You had some dirt, man.Word, son.But yeah, man.Nah, me and my brother, we do not got the same taste.I wish he was here for me to tell him that, man.Yeah, nah.

Unfortunately, your brother was stabbed to death by a former friend.

Yeah.

How did that change you?Because you say you guys were, even though you fought as youngsters, you guys were close.Because that's what, you don't realize it.You and your, me and my brother fought, but he wouldn't let nobody else do nothing to me.

Right.

Not talk sideways to me.And you definitely wasn't going to bully me.Not when he was around.And if he did, if you did something when he wasn't around, I'm telling you.

I fought somebody for my brother.I fought this girl.I'm going to tell you this story.He was at the basketball court, and I don't know if she liked him.She probably had a crush on him or whatever.Mind you, she's the same age as me.

So he's noticing her kind of like, you know, I guess she was cool.You know how girls bother you, but they like you?So it was kind of in that sense.I'm just you know I'm bouncing the ball and I'm hearing what's going on behind me it's a few of us it's like a good 10 kids okay we outside just outside in the neighborhood so um I hear her And it's like, she's saying little stuff, but she keep coming at him with it.And he like, yo, hey, girl, leave me alone before I get my sister on you.Leave you alone.

I mean, leave me alone before I get my sister on you.So I'm hearing it.But see, like, I'm calm.I'm not like a rowdy rowdy when I was fighting.Like, I was, I would calmly beat you up.You know what I mean?

So it was like, I'm playing the basketball, but I'm here, but I'm just observing.Because I already know I'm going to have to.So that's already in my mind.I'm just bouncing the ball.I'm just waiting for my time.That's it.

I'm shooting the ball.And then she just kept doing, like five minutes later, he like, yo, he say my name, come handle my light work.I just dropped the ball, walk up, push her.You know, back then it was a push game.

Yeah, touch your energy, push.You know what I mean?She fake pushed me back.

And that was it, rocked her, man.Grabbed her, threw her in the headlock, slammed her on the ground, started rocking her like this.She bowled up in a little fetal position.She tried to kick me.Man, every spot, all the kids running in, like, oh, hit her, hit her, hit her.They telling her, hit her for me.

Because she was like one of them girls that used to - You did a lot to her.Yeah, she did a lot of that.So like, even her own peoples was telling me to hit her.Damn!It was like that.Yeah, it was like, that's the type of relationship me and my brother had.

We fought, but I'll, you know, I'll somebody up for you.Wow.You know what I mean?So, yeah.Yeah.Yeah, but that was a little, you know what I mean?

So, did you have any more contact with her?You had no more problems with her?He didn't have any more problems than you did?

Yeah, it was over for her.I remember she tried to come to the bus stop and, like, I guess she had a black eye, so she tried to come to the bus stop and, you know what I mean?Like, fake kind of act like she was still tough, but I just ain't paying no mind.You know what I mean?I'm like...

You want some more of this?I got some.

I got some if you want it.Yeah, man, but, you know, those kids, man.

I said, unfortunately, your brother lost his life.How did that change you?

Um, man, it's, it's literally like, like a, uh, literally like a separation of innocence to real life.Like that very moment when I heard those words, like my whole outlook, very, everything just.Felt life all at once like I really knew what life was at that very moment like now life is this is real Yes, like that little innocent girl who thought life was, you know, and see my brother I never felt that before like, you know, like my mom we lost like my grandmother husband which was like a grandpa to me and some saying like we lost somebody like that and of course that bothered me as a kid, but I'm 17 at this time.So I'm, I'm aware of what life, you know what I mean?

Yeah.

I still understand what's going on.So it was just like, like what you for like y 'all for real, like this real.

Was it, was it at night?Was it during the day?

No, it was.So when it happened, it was, we, I was, it was, it was at the party or something.But when I found out it's crazy.Cause that night, that night was so strange for me.And, um, I remember I was with my father.I was with my father.

I was going to the Bronx.And that's where he was staying at the time.He was going to the Bronx.And I remember, for some reason, that night felt so, I don't know, like fake.That particular night, it felt so fake, me and him driving.And I remember the Jay -Z song playing.

It lived forever, forever.forever young.That song that Jay -Z, I think he re resampled it or remade it.And I remember that song playing this before I even found out anything.And I was so into that song at that moment.I never was, but for some reason at night, it just felt so, I don't know.

And we get back to the crib and I remember, um, my pops let me sleep in his room.He slept on the couch.And I remember I'm sleep.That's my sleep was off.Around probably around the same time the situation must have been happening It was like we I was at a day out of the night and I remember my father's phone Kept going off because his phone was in the room And I kept hearing it vibrate and I seen it and I see the name and I see my mother calling So in my mind, I'm like, why is she calling me?I was at a morning right and I'm not paying in no mind So go back to sleep and I was still hearing it, but I just went back into a sleep got up the next morning He like, yo, um, my pops can he, he like kind of wake me up.

He like, yeah, your mother just left a message on my phone saying, uh, hurry up and you know, just come back to the house.And they don't, you know, they don't really want to get the bad news.So they like just come to the house.They said something with your brother.

So at that time you don't know anything.It's just something going on with your brother.

I knew.Yes.That, that very moment when he, when he said that I knew cause my, then my great grandmother called me like not too long after he said that she called.Was like she was so emotional this she was throwing me off to cuz she was like your uncle this she was like no get brother She was in confusion.I'm saying right and my great -grandmother don't do that You know what?I mean?

Like my great -grandmother don't call me like with that energy like this.That's how I knew was real He just hurt right?So she like come back to the house.Just come back.I already knew what's up So the whole time we in the car that same feeling now is daytime though, right?

your father doesn't know anything either.He just coming back, something's going on with his son.

Yeah, he's taking me back to Brooklyn.Taking me back to Brooklyn to my grandmother's house, where I was staying.And we get in there, my mom and my grandmother's gone.He died in PA, Pennsylvania.They already left for that, you know what I mean?My great -grandmother's at the house with my little sister at the house, you know what I mean?

And I come inside.And she's coming out the room, and she's like, come in here.Come in the kitchen.When I tell you, that was like the longest walk to the kitchen.And I don't even want to say it.It's just like, because it's gone.

It's gone.But that's what she told me.She hugged me, and she just said, he's gone.I don't even know.

You don't really know a whole lot after that, huh?

I was just angry.I just went in the room.I remember going in the room, and I punched the wall.once, but I wanted to break the wall.So I kept punching it, punching it, punching it.And, um, what stopped me is my little sister had came in the room and, you know, was seeing me, and my great -grandmother went to go grab her.

And that's what made me kind of stop, because my little sister, man, she kind of...She's so innocent, because she's little at the time.She's a baby, damn near.And she's like, Keturah, I want to get on the computer.I'm like...I'm like, get out of my face.

Like, I wowed...Like, I tweaked out on her.And I just went and sat on top of the step and just I called my cousin.I was the first because I couldn't call my cousin.mother wasn't picking up.It was in the midst of that.

And I called my cousin and I know she's like a sibling to me. I called her and basically told her the news and she lived, she didn't live too far from me.So I knew like at that situation, I couldn't stay where I was at, like at my house.I couldn't stay there.I had to go somewhere with somebody that I knew would understand what I'm going through.Called her and then I told I say I'm about to hop in the cab and come to your house And um, that's what I did with that house and I remember like that whole day I still ain't talking to my mom for for that whole day.Yeah, they was I didn't even I didn't even know what to talk to my mom about You know what?

I mean?I had I was too in my zone and I know she was in her zone and it was like if we talk we gonna Break down, you know, I mean, so I went to my cousin house and It was just so strange.Like even I couldn't sleep.My dreams was like, like super vivid, but like, I wasn't asleep, but I was, I don't know how to explain it.It was for like a good couple of weeks.Cause I was, I had, I had just started school.

I had just started my senior year.My brother died September 26.I just started school September, my senior year, just started school.And when it happened, I had to be out of school for that whole October for the whole month.And, um, I went back to school.Everything was a blur that whole year.

The rest of that year, I don't even remember because Christmas, Thanksgiving, all that came up and I don't even remember what I did those days.But yeah, that definitely changed my life.Yeah, forever.I don't I don't even remember the innocence of my life anymore.

Do you remember the young man that took his life?He was the former?

What was it?What was it about?To this day?I still don't think I fully know.You know, people have these stories and theories and you never know if you're not he not here to say it.And, you know, I wasn't there to witness it.

Right.

People say, you know, it was a argument they had and that he was probably low -key jealous of him.My brother was a big guy for his age.My brother was only 20 at the time when he died, but he looked like he was damn near 30.You know what I mean?Beard.You know what I mean?

He was big, tall.You know, my brother was, he was big for his age, all my life.And my brother was a big kid.So he, you know, he used to tell people he was older than the age that he was.So he, you know, he was, he was very, uh, he was, um, intimidating sometimes, you know, and I, um, Think I don't know if it was out of fear or if it was out of personal right, you know, like yeah You know, they say that when you stab someone that's personal because you gotta get up close to it Yeah, you know sometimes when you use a firearm.

Yeah, I'm at a distance It's not personal.Yeah, but the Walker to be up on somebody.

Yeah, it's actually really really yeah Yeah, and that's why I said, I don't I don't really even know what transpired for real, right?

It's a lot of stories, but I really don't know If you had an opportunity to talk to the person that took your brother's life, what would you ask him?Or you don't wish to have that conversation?

I couldn't even tell you.Back then, it wouldn't have been nothing to ask.I would have...You wouldn't do something to him?Yeah, absolutely.No, absolutely.

Absolutely.

Is he still incarcerated?

I believe so.It's been a while since I got an update.My brother's father's side of the family kind of is more involved with that part because it happened where they stay at.

OK.

And, um, but, um, from, I mean, I haven't been told he was released.You know, my mom would know, and, you know, they automatically supposed to know.

Right.

But from, but I know, I'm not sure.OK.

Your brother's passing.Is that when you got into rap to deal with the pain, to deal with the emotion of it?When did you start rapping?

Nah, way before my brother.You was rapping way before?Yeah, way before my brother.Yeah, I've been with that pen since I was 9, 10.

Really?

Yeah.Yeah.My brother was trying to rap too, but he couldn't f*** with me.

You're like, nah, bro, you just cheer me on.Cheer me on.I got this.

We did, like, as kids, we did two songs together, man.Right.Yeah, I wish.I had it on my mom's face and everything.Yeah.Yeah.

His verse wasn't like that.

Nah, chill.My brother, he wasn't lyrical like me.Right.I was real more detailed when it came to that, even as a kid.My brother was like, he was just like, you know, he could make a song.Like, he was good on the hooks.

Right.

That's why I said, we was, like, definitely Okay, y 'all could have did something.Like we could have did something.He didn't care to be too lyrical.Right.You know what I mean?So, yeah.

Your hit song, 474 million views on YouTube?

Yeah.Damn!Yeah.Trying to get that half a bill.

Hey, the boy YouTube chain hit pretty good with all them views.Yeah, man.Absolutely.Ooh.Is that song...Is that the reason why you never signed with a label because you saw

like, hold on, I don't need to sign with no label.Y 'all taking half my money, taking all this.I can just do this on my own and keep all my bread.

Um, I wasn't always, I wasn't like against the labels.It wasn't never like against it or like for that matter.I just wanted to see, um, what, what, what would they do after the song?

Okay.

You know what I'm saying?Because that's easy.The training is already done.But I need to know what's the follow -up for me.Where's the power, the machine, going to be after the song.

Go ahead.

Go ahead.Once I wasn't delivered that, then I said, I got to do this on my own then.

That was it.And you were okay with that?

Yeah.Wasn't it wasn't to me. I wasn't about money because that's really what was the conversation mostly about was, you know money and and Radio and stuff like that, but I was already right I was you know, I was already kind of getting my little money from shows and stuff and I already kind of had, you know radio, um Relationships with people at the radio.So I was kind of building, you know underground right and This record was just like my golden ticket.It was like, okay, bet.I'm going to continue on this train.

Because you've already shown them proof of concept.Yeah, exactly.Y 'all see this record?Y 'all see what I could do, right?Yes.Exactly.

So what are we discussing?What are we talking about?Well, we don't know what you can do.We don't know if the people are going to be, you're going to be relatable.Bro, you know what?Here's a song.

Here, put that song.Hey, my man, put that song on.

Yeah.

This it right here.Yeah.So what are we talking about?

Yeah, man.

Come on, make the money right.

It was just, I think to another thing with me is that I think I was kind of comfortable with the control I had.

Yes.Okay.Okay.I see.So looking back, if you could go back, would you, would you stay independent or would you have signed with them?a lady?

I'd stay independent.You'd stay independent?Yeah.

I've been independent forever.

Right.That's all you know?

That's all I know.Okay.You know what I mean?And I remember now it seemed to be a thing.It's becoming a thing.Right.

But I was on this way before.You know what I mean?So I'm glad to see people having that understanding.of the opportunities that's available and accessible in 2026.You know what I mean?Just off the social media itself.

Do you believe you've made you you've made more money being independent or with you?

Uh had that machine because I hear a lot of you know, I have a lot of artists on here It's say that machine I'm about to say if I think if I had the machine and of course played it smart and made sure the contract was Right solidified the way it should be.Um, I probably would have made more money, right?You know what?I mean, but it would have had to be that contract had to make sense, right?But um, yeah Yeah, I don't I don't doubt that you're saying but it wasn't about how much money for me is how long right that money is coming in right?

Mm -hmm.See you say see I want all this.I want a hundred percent of this not 20 % of it exactly So the money start coming in.What's your best?What's the first thing you got when that check came on in there?

You like a house?Yeah, what my house out?

Yeah.

Yeah house a car.That was it.

Would you get a rose?

No, I got an Audi A7.Oh, okay.You know what's crazy?I manifested that car.I used to always speak about that car in my music.

Right.

And I got it.

Right.Yeah.

Audi A7.I'm not a big car person though.

Okay.

I'm not like, I don't have a hundred cars.

Yeah, yeah.It seems like you're a big jewelry person though.

Not even.

What do you mean not even?

This is my logo.

The whole grill, look at the grill.This is my logo.

This is my logo.This is something that'sthese are my trophies.It's something that signifies, you know, my success.So I wear it like a trophy.I don't, I'm not, you know what I mean?

I'm calm, rolly.I'm just like, I'm a settled person.I don't like, I don't like the attention.

So would you, let me ask you a question.When people see you for the very first time, tell me what you think they think.They think calm?Yeah.And I don't think they think that.

People think I'm humble.Cause they, I get humble when I, when I speak to them.Yeah, I don't think none of my supporters know like, I'm not that rapper.Man, I see that big old chain.

I see that big old Cuban that's all he's got.This is my trophy, man.Yeah, I know.This is a trophy.You wear the trophy.That's it again.

Normally trophies at home.I wear my brand.

I wear my brand.It's my brand.Just like, ain't this your brand?

It's just not on your neck.Yeah.That's my point.See, my trophies normally, they on the mantle.I don't wear my trophy.And then you got these big, you got this in there.

I mean, this is forever.Girls and my earrings, that's just like makeup.

would you do anything different if you could go back and do?What are some of the things?Maybe you don't even want to do anything different, but if you could, what would you go back and do different?

In my career?

Yeah.

Probably slow down on the drinking.

Uh -huh.

Yeah.I think the drinking became a lifestyle because Henny was so attached to my name because that's how I came out talking about Hennessy.You know what I mean?I kind of influenced that vibe.

Did it break bread with you?

No.That's why I regret it.

So you gave up a lot of free advertising?

Man, I did, for sure.And we made that initiative to, you know, set something up.but it just...

It never materialized.Nah.It's kind of hard, and this is what I learned about the business, it's kind of hard to do something for, let's just say, you want to promote a soft drink or you want to promote a car.It's kind of hard to get them after you've already gotten a million clicks and views.Because it's like, well, you did it for free, why would we pay you?

Right, exactly.

And that's how they think.Yeah.And that's understandable.Yes.And so that's what I tell people.Why would you do something for free when someone to pay you for it?

Exactly.

That's how they think.

Right.That's why I was just like, I had to take that on the chin.

There's nothing I could do about that.You know what I mean?But you have advertised Google Pixel beats by Dre, Pandora, Adidas, Fashion Nova.What do you learn most?Like doing deals now, doing in the space that you're in, what do you learn about advertising and marketing yourself?

I learned a lot with marketing, just knowing how, even with controversy, knowing how to promote.And also like, like with me, like I still had this innocence that I still have to protect.Like I don't be all sloppy.Like it's deals that came to me about weed packs and stuff like that.You know, I don't smoke weed often.So I'm not going to just jump at any brand that don't, signifies what I really do.

You know what I'm saying?

Yes.

So, um...You like to promote products that you actually use.

That I actually use.Right.Because then it's easy.Right.You don't feel like I don't really need a whole script.

Because I can't fake it.Like, I can't fake it.

Right.

You know what I mean?So, yeah.

50 Cent did a remix of Uli.

He is the official remix.He didn't do the remix.

He is the remix.

Yeah.It's a lot of remixes, but that is the official remix.only official remix.Everything else was just people just decided to do.

You were like, hold on, I'm gonna need that check though.For Fenty.I'm sure Fenty broke y 'all.I'm talking about everybody else that keep doing it.

It was crazy because everybody did it.It was a big viral thing.It was a lot of big artists that did it.Nicki Minaj did one.I think even Meek Mill and The Game.When they was beefing, he was using my beat to go back at each other.

I'm like, wow, this is crazy.

Beyonce did a birthday post to yourself.

Yeah, she did a birthday post.

And let you off?

Yeah.

Damn.Yeah, that was big.So when you got the call, when her people reached out and said, hey, you know, XYZ, we'd like for you.So what were you thinking?

I mean, at that time, everything was coming, you know, coming my way.So it was definitely like, you know, like, oh, OK, we going.Like, this is big.But it's crazy, because at that time, when I did go to open, everything was a rush, because I had another show right after.So I didn't even have time to linger around and even get to meet her.Damn.

I met Jay -Z, though.

Right.

I met Ho.

Hey, Ho, what's up?Talk to you, girl, right quick.Yeah, I met Ho, so that's a blessing in itself.Absolutely.Yeah.And you're like, I ain't even get a chance.

I ain't even get a chance to honor them.I ain't even get to meet Beyonce, man.Hold on.Kehlani, you shot your shot?Nah.He said, I like them tatted.

Me too, though.You know what I'm saying?

I hate Kehlani.Everybody think that that was, like, me trying to shoot my shot.No, I'm just a witty rapper.

Right.

You know what I mean?I throw little bars in there.Right.And, you know, the first person I thought of that's a female that's super tatted was Kehlani, and it went with the punchline, so.Nah, I never shot my shot at her.She cool, though.

We cool.Kehlani is sturdy.We even supposed to did a couple songs together.But nah, I never shot my shot at her.

Do you find it now that anytime someone see you talking to a friend,Let's just say for the sake of our view like hey, how you doing girl?Good to see you people automatically try to put two and two together.Oh, yeah.Yeah, they did a lot It's a lot of false information out there.You like what damn?

I mean, I might have been trying to shoot a shot, but y 'all don't blue today.

Yeah Every every female I came next to if they definitely they had like a name They tried to throw, I don't know, something in there.And I'd be like, ah, man.

Damn.Because it was like that with Halle Berry.You gave Halle a hug.And it was like, well, damn.

Halle Berry.

That's a good looking woman.

A lot of people don't understand.That's a different level of a woman.You know what I mean?

I don't know if y 'all ever seen this woman in person.

Yeah, she's beautiful.

But camera, a TV, movie don't do her justice.

Absolutely.

Don't do her justice.

Yes, and spirit is beautiful.You know what I mean?So when I met her, connection of rip, she just had such a good spirit, good energy, and yeah, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful person.

Do you have a celebrity crush?

No.

No.You're not into celebrity, huh?I used to.You want to dial a regular, everyday young lady?

I'm in a relationship.

Oh, you're in a relationship?Yeah.Is she normal?

Yeah.She ain't no famous girl.

I don't know.You know, become them famous.There's a lot of that in the deck.A lot of things come with that.

Yeah.And then, I mean, I've dealt with, most of the girls I've dealt with wasn't so, so famous.

Right.

You know what I mean?

Like, I don't have a preference though.Is that by choice?Is that deliberate?

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.It's not, it wasn't a preference for me to have the, be with a girl that's famous or not famous.It's just what I'm attracted to, like what comes across.I don't care what you got going on sometimes.

But you did say your type, brown skin.Of course.Pretty brown eyes.Hello.Slim waist.Hello.

But a hips are wide.

Hello.

Thick thighs.Yes, sir.You're about 5 '5", 5 '6".Pretty, you know, pretty.Sitting eye tight.Lay across what you see.

So you, you want a lady lady.So when they say, you know, they want you to like that right there.Yeah.

God damn!You know what's crazy?Yeah, but I like him a little thug, too, though.You gotta be sturdy with it, you know what I mean?Like, you gotta be able to fight with me.Ah, okay, well, I'm saying we ain't gonna never butt heads, because I don't want that.

I don't like a female that's too, like, ditzy.

Too girly -girly.

You don't want that girly -girly.Yeah, you don't get on my nerve.Okay.I'm too aggressive, and you might be.It's too timid for me.Like, definitely how I move, you know what I mean?

I need one thorough like me.

So in other words, it's going to take a special type of woman to deal with you.Everybody can't handle you.

My girl right now, from Compton.Well, damn.Yeah, so that's it.

That works.That works.Brooklyn to Compton.Compton, Brooklyn.Yeah, see, you're over here.OK, yeah, yeah, I feel you.

You know what I mean?So how did you guys meet?

Through a friend of mine.

OK.

Through a friend of mine.the natural way, like, in person.

Right.

You know what I mean?Yeah.

Ain't no more...Because, you know, they say...What was I reading that?There's like 80 % of the people...A guys have never asked a young lady out on a date I would assume it's pretty the same for a young lady because you know back in the day You actually meet somebody like hey, how you doing?You meet him at where they be at the gym or wherever you meet somebody and you would ask him now you got so Social media you slide.

Hey, what's up?You know you get hey you put the emoji to look in the eye or you put you know?Hey, hey, how you do never in the DMZ?

You ain't never, never, never slid in no girl dams and bag.They're like, never.

So you still, so you still, so you still old school.You go, Hey, you can do it the old fashioned way.You go like, what's up?Yeah.If I happen to run into you or you hit me first, you gotta hit me first.So what is, so they slid in your deal?

Yeah.They slid in my deal.Oh, okay.Oh, okay.So you, I was under the impression.Ain't nobody been in nobody deal.

You respond?Absolutely.

And that's when we meet.

And I go from there.But no, I never slid in a body DMs.

What's your favorite part of a woman?Is it the eyes?Is it the butt?Physical?Yes.

Eyes.Eyes.Because you see they soul.The windowpane to the soul.Yeah.Yeah, the eyes is catching me.

Of course, you got to be still a beautiful woman that got yourself together, but the eyes is what pulls me in first.

Yeah, because then I want people to stop.Oh, it's the personality.

You don't know a person's personality until you get to meet them.

You got to be physically attracted to the person.And then, OK, hey, how you doing?I get an opportunity to sit down and talk to you and chat and carry on.

You know why I say it's the eyes?

Why?

Because that's how I would know if a girl is attracted to me.Because most women I've dated, was straight.

Yeah.

You know what I'm saying?You flipped them.I mean, I wouldn't say flipped.A lot of people get that misconception.

Okay.Help me out.

Women that I end up dating don't mean they fully, they just gay now.

Right.

No, they still like men.

They just have a, they just attracted to me.

And that's it.And after me, they moved back on to me.

Damn.

That's it.You know what I mean?So a lot of people get that misconception.Okay.Yeah.Like, but that's how I know.

Cause the eyes, I gotta, I gotta see it in your eyes if you attracted to me.

But it's not a thing where, Do you know before you actually say anything?The eyes.Yeah.So it's not a situation where they need to be gay or they need to be straight X, Y, Z. I prefer it straight.

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

But you say you weren't going for that.You just said you weren't trying to flip nobody.I'm not flipping them, though.You flipping them.If they straight, hold on.If they straight, they've never been with a woman.

I'm a different type of person, though.I'm not like gay rapper -ish type.I'm just me.

Yeah.

I'm just me that loves women.

Yeah, but happen to be gay.

All that's true.

Everything you said is absolute truth.So I ain't flipping them, though.What you doing?

That's me.That's up in here.

Are you cool if a lady has BBL?You cool with that?

It depends how it's constructed.

Yeah.

Like, if it look natural, then I don't care.

Right.

If it's too much, no.

Yeah.

So you saying you don't want to look like an ant, huh?I don't know.Nah.I'm not too impressed with body neither.

Yeah, okay.

Like you can, you know, don't be too flat back there.Don't be Spongebob back there.You know what I mean?Have a little bubble.I don't need the exaggeration of an ass.You know what I mean?

You know, nice little plump breasts.Nice little shape.Keep yourself, you know, tight.Pretty face.

So you like them, you guys about to be the same height.So you like five, five, five.

Yeah, you gotta be shorter than me or my height.

You okay.

Cannot be taller than me.

Oh my God.I don't even look your way.But why?What does she got them eyes?She got them nice brown, brown eyes.She got them ta -ha, ha -ha.

Pass it to the bro.

My bro right here tall.

Nah, I ain't feeling it, man.feeling you.I'll let you go.Now, what you trying to do?I ain't gonna lie.

I'll double.I'll double.I'm good.I'll tell her no.I'll tell the girl no, man.Really?

Yeah, man.If I ain't jacking you, they know.My bros know.I'm mean.Like, I don't be caring too much, like, how people, you know, dudes be, you know, the bros, they, da -da -da, me, if I ain't, like, if I ain't...If I ain't feeling you, I ain't feeling...

If I ain't feeling you, I ain't feeling you.Okay.

That's it.

I ain't about to, you know what I mean, sugarcoat nothing.

I ain't finna waste my time, I ain't finna waste yours.Like, leave me alone.

Yeah.Go over there.

That's it.They're like, OK, you got to look at it.But you got a homegirl a little smaller than you?I'm trying to get at your homegirl that's about 5 '3", 5 '4".

That's smaller than you, right?Come on, man.At least the same height, you know what I mean?Right.

But yeah.What's the message you're trying to convey in the new song, Tip the Surgeon?

See that one right there.So that's basically one of those.If you see the video, it's me showing women on the table, but they not actually getting no work done.

OK.

It's like a um, it's almost like a sculpting type of vibe and makeup then it's like a makeover, right?It's like my but I I basically, uh gave that perception that they was on the table Look at the video.Well, I got the needle gun and all that but that never happens, right?The doctors that come in they come in with makeup brushes And get the girls glam it up and that was it.

Are you saying look?You don't have to have surgery.You don't get to get cut on to be beautiful.

Right.So it's more of a metaphor.I knew tip the surgeon was going to, you know, draw people in.But it's basically a reverse type of statement.

Have you ever been with a man?

No.never been with a man.But as a kid, yeah, I had like little boyfriend.

Yeah.

But been with a man.No.

So, you know, so at what age did you like, you know what?I'm not interested in you.

I'm interested in her since I was in kindergarten.So that was a little damn at that age.Yes.Yes.I had my first attraction for this girl in my school when I was in kindergarten.And that's when I knew like it was the first time I think I ever seen a pretty girl my age.

I still remember this day vividly, and it changed me from that moment, because I didn't know what I was feeling.I had liked that.When I went home, I was scared, because I didn't know what I was feeling, to my moms and all that.Like, I was like, I didn't know what the f*** gay was or anything.I'm like, you know, the female, I'm just this innocent little kid.And I just felt this way one day.

And since then, it carried on.I was, you know, you know what I mean?Like, yeah.

You never told anybody that you had these feelings?

No, for a long time.

Who was the first person that you came out to?

Um, like friends and my girlfriend at the time.Yeah.Cause I, um, you know, what's crazy is that I had like little situations with girls where we had like a little fling, like as a kid, but nobody else knew.It'd just be like little, like, I don't know if you remember like this little game back in the day, like kids just might open up the gate.Who do you hate?And you point to them and like, that's your date.

I used to do little shit like that with females.And then we play house and house.I'm, the daddy.It's like little signs like that, but never came out and said anything until I got a little older.

Was the first person that you were with, was she straight or was she?

No, she was lesbian.

Okay.Yeah, she was lesbian.

From what I knew, she was, you know what I mean?

Yeah.

Yeah.

So let me ask you this.Do you, how do you feel like you said like earlier that, yeah, I date and they normally straight and then they go back, they might go back to him.Did that make you feel some type of way if they've been with you and then they all of a sudden they turn around and like, I'm going back to a guy?

No.Cause they was with a guy before me.Now, if they was with women, and then got with me, and didn't want to do, then I'm the last one?

Yeah.They gonna say you ruined it.They say you ruined it.We had a good thing over here, and she ruined it.

Nah, I mean, nah, nah, nah.I don't feel no way about anybody that I'm not dealing with no more.

Really?Yeah, no.

You ain't never spun the block?Nah.

Damn.They must be like that then.You ain't spun the block.You gotta spin the block at least once.

I mean, I can't, I wouldn't say it's really spun the block.It was like, It was like still kind of fresh to break up.Yeah, then we got back.

Yeah.

Yeah, but like to be broken up Too much time has passed with that.Yeah, I move on fast, too Yeah, I'm an Aries bro.

Yeah, y 'all be on some bulljive.

Yeah, we do Honestly, no, I gotta admit it You have been heartbroken In a relationship?

Yeah.

Yeah.Yeah.I can admit that.But then I move on fast.That's why it's like, yo, was I ever really heartbroken?

Yeah.Cause I move on.Did you hear, uh, Victoria Monet?She's like, man, I date women, but they be doing me so bad.She said they'd be doing it.She said it's worse than dating them.

Her exact, I think her quotes was like here, uh, dating women has been worse than dating men.Girls do, do, do better.dirty, often more dirty than men.And that women only approach her for sexual relations.

Yeah, I don't know what she got going on.I mean...I sound like she got something going on.

Hey, you need to holler at her, tell her what you know.Hey, so what's going on?Tell me how, like, when they approach you or when you approach them.

If I holler at her, I'm going to hurt her too.Goddamn!She don't want nothing over here.I'm her problem.You're supposed to be helping.I'm going to make it worse.

Oh, Lord have mercy.Do not talk.

Do not ask me anything.She ain't got nothing for you.

She ain't got nothing.

Damn!So, you know what?You know the saying that's like, women are more toxic.I'm starting to see that now.As I sit across from you.Women is more toxic.

Damn!You gonna hear it on one of their songs.Hello.You toxic?Yes.Not no more, though.

Not no more.

Not no more.Not any less either, though.You talk about not no more, not any less either.

No, not no more.I think, I think, I'm still, I'm still thorough.I'm thorough, you know what I mean?But like toxic, toxic is when you like, I'm like, like my energy, I'm older now.So like, my energy for stuff ain't like, I can't deal with it.Like, it's just like, I'm more like chill before I turn up, you know what I mean?

Like, it's like, I'm over here with it and I go back there with it.Like, all right, cool, you good.That that's too much to be doing now like I'm sorry, you know, I'm settled.

I'm settled settled in my ways Apologize and karma cries.You said I just want to call your phone and apologize, but my pride got me colder than I Can't cry, but you know, it's tears behind my backeyes.And honestly, I had a lot of truth behind them lies.

Yeah.

Is it hard to apologize?

No, definitely if I know I'm wrong.I always take accountability.I've never been afraid of accountability.

Yeah, see, you a guy.Women don't be wanting to take no accountability.

That's true.Women don't.The women I've dealt with don't.Even my mama don't.I love you, Ma.

But yes, that's true.So why is it so hard for women to apologize and say, I was wrong?Because a lot of times guys will apologize, even if we're not wrong, just to keep the peace and to keep it moving, because you ain't going to stop.So you know what?You're right.You're right.

I shouldn't have said that.I was well within my right to say it.I was absolutely right.But you know what?You're right.

We be over it.Women can't get over it.And I know I'm a woman, but I don't be feeling like it.I'll be over it, man. I'll be like, come on.I'm sorry.Let's move on.

But, you know, it sting women.You know what I mean?It sting them.And it's like that when they...It's almost like a woman feel like if she apologizes, it's like she feel like you got one over her.It's like some type of...

But it's okay to admit you wrong.

It is okay.I don't know.I can't...I don't know.Because I take accountability.You know what I mean?

So...I can't, I can't, I can't say what that woman feels.

Right.

To even, I don't know.

She feel like she right?Yeah.Even though she dead.Even though she dead ass.

Basically.

I guess.You want to get married?

Yeah.But not on papers.

You do realize you're going to have to soften your stance, right?

What do you mean?

You know, that shell, that exterior that you have, you're gonna have to soften that up.And you do realize that in a relationship, you know, every day you go to bed, one person, you wake up as another.You go to bed as a person, wake up as somebody else.She goes to bed to somebody else, wake up as someone else.Are your guys willing to change and adapt together?Or are you saying, cause you get this all the time.

You ain't the same person that I met.Bro, I was five years ago.That was 10 years ago.Hell no.Nobody should be the exact same person five years, 10 years, 15 years as they were then.

If you are.I would say when I'm ready, I will, when I'm ready, but I'm not rushing it.I mean, what you waiting on?I don't know.

Wait, you get this a lot.I date with intent.My intent is to be with this forever person.Oh, you smiling.

Nah.See, I've learned a lot with, uh, relationships.

Okay.

And you know why I say that?Because I'm in a relationship, uh, with some, with the same person that put that, you know, that video out.Really?Yes.And the conversation we had, um, was needed.Um, when we first got together,

I was at a real bad state.You know what I mean?I really didn't have nobody.

Right.

And when she came into my life, she pretty much took care of me.You know what I mean?

So this was the fan that shot you in the hospital?

Yeah.

That's the one that you're with, correct?Yes.Okay.

And a lot of people, you know, you know, wasn't around to see what was going on with me because I kind of secluded myself.And I was at a real low state because of the alcohol.I was real sick.And I didn't really know this girl for it.We met probably a couple of weeks before, before I really got bad.And, you know, she stayed around, you know, she didn't really know me.

Um, She would drive 30 minutes from where she was staying at her house to my house and stay with me the whole day.And she would have to take her son to school that morning and then come right back to me.She was cooking for me.She was really nurturing me.You know what I mean?I didn't, I was like, that was somebody I was confined to.

You know what I mean?And, um, but she, you know, she was telling me a lot, like, you need to stop drinking.Like, You know what I mean?Like, it's getting scary.You know, she tried to stop me.But, you know, when you, you know, when you, when you...

When you in it, it's hard.

Yeah, it's hard.You know what I mean?And, um, so when that situation transpired and how it happened, a lot of people don't know, you know, what led into that situation.We had a, you know, I don't really like to go too much in detail because it's really, like, a lot of, a lot of stuffpeople really go through this.It's just not advertised.

It's not public.You know what I mean?So, you know, this is somebody I love and I know she loved me.And, you know, since that situation when we really broke down and we talked and cried and apologized and talked about, because it's a lot that came, like, a lot people just don't know, like, even with certain people that kind of stoned the situation.Cuz you don't my relationship is never public.So nobody knows when they see that it's like And you know, of course that threw me off that she put it out Mm -hmm, even though I was already gonna kind of show that but you want to do it on your time Do it on my time, you know what I mean?

And that's what bothered me is like damn you did that out of spite That's not you know what I mean?Since when was that?You know your character?

Mm -hmm.

You know what I mean?So anyway, um You know, we sat down with each other personally and, um, you know, it was a lot of tears, a lot of, you know, things said that was needed.And, um, you know, we, we kind of casually worked it out and, you know, casually dated throughout that time just to see.And, um, because before that, like she's, you know, she's really been there for me, you know what I mean?She's been a good girl.She don't go out.

you know, cheating and all in niggas face all day, you know what I mean?She's really a good girl, you know what I mean?She take care of her kid, take care of her mom, you know what I mean?So I always held that part, you know, of her.And yeah, so it just got to a point where, you know, I'm older now and I try to like forgive, you know what I mean?Like I said, having that relationship with

God changed how I see people sometimes.You know what I mean?And when we got through it, and I prayed so much, I just felt like God was just showing me a lot.Well, who needs to be in my life, and who don't?And I think this situation right here woke us both up.Because since then, we've been actually closer.

We don't argue.We barely did then, but we don't argue, we don't fight, we don't, I mean, like, I don't know, like, she supports me, she nurtures me, she cooks, she cleans, you know what I mean?And that was just the balance I needed in my life at the time.But it was also a situation that, you know, it did fuck with me when that was exposed.You know, and it's something I do gotta see often, but I've just gotten to a point in my life where I've moved on from that.I don't really see no other woman being that woman for me.

You know what I mean?Right.You know, from from that, even from that situation, like Jesus, how the generation is now.It's like I with this girl is like, it's good.We talked about it.She admitted.

I was wrong.Yes.

Super wrong.What I mean?So long as I got that from her, I was able to move on.

COVID.You remember COVID.A lot of people got together with COVID because they want to be alone.Did you ever sit back and think, So you know what?Do I really love this person?Or because she did what she did, I kind of feel obligated to stay now.

Nah, I never felt obligated to stay.Because like I said, I would leave.No, for real, man.No, I'm too honest.And that's how I know when I, you know, genuinely love somebody.You know what I mean?

Is that, um, cause no, I would leave because you know, that, that happens sometimes people feel an obligation.Like, man, how's this going to look when I was at my lowest, when I really couldn't do for myself, this person was in my life and did all this.And now I'm better.I'm on my feet.And now I give this person my butt to kiss.And we've seen that happen.

And especially with COVID.Man, how many relationship people go, oh man, this is my person.Nah, you just can't go nowhere else and this person is available.And as soon as COVID, you looking without how you was at COVID.

It wasn't even necessarily COVID, though.This was kind of after COVID, because we didn't get together until 2022.

OK.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So this was in the stem of me and the liquor.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?I was losing control.

Right.

And she was my balance at the time.And she didn't have to be.And at the time, I liked her.You know, I was liking her.You know what I mean?And just for that extra energy she put into me, just made me feel like, this is why I like her.

So how did y 'all, you said you had already known her for like two weeks.How did you guys meet?Through a friend.Through a friend, OK.

Through a friend.It was crazy, because it was like, It was like, um, the friend wanted to, her friend wanted to hang out or whatever the case.And my bro was already coming towards my way.And basically it was like a double date.

Okay.Yeah.Yeah.

It was like a double date situation.He came pulled up on me with both of them.And, um, cause they had met, he was out and about and had met them or whatever the case.And then he was telling them like, you know, I'm about to, uh, pull up on my peoples.He didn't say it was me.Right.

I'm about to pull up on my peoples, which I doing.They were like, well, we want to go with you or whatever the case.And then, um, what a friend wound up, you know, finding out it was me, but they ain't believe it.

Right.

So whatever the case, so they pulled up.Um, yeah.And the friend wanted me, but, um, so the one that he was trying to holler at wanted you or he wasn't really trying to holler at her.

Yeah.

You know, he wasn't trying to holler at her.

It was just like, But he would have cracked if it was an opportunity.

Yeah, he probably would have.

Free my son.Free my son, Sumo, man.Free Sumo.

But, um, yeah.But anyway, long story short, um, she wasn't on my body neither.Like, when we first linked, it was just like everybody was just linking.

Yeah, just friends, just vibing.

Yeah, just vibing.And the eyes.

Yeah.You saw the eyes.You saw her look at you.You're like, oh, yeah.Oh, yeah.

I tell her that all the time.I be like, I got her.Got her.Got her.Tell her all the time.It's so funny.

It's a long story, but yeah.

You mentioned that she has a kid.Do you want kids?Yeah.How many?One, two?

One for now.

One for now?Yeah.Okay.

Yeah, we already kind of planning that situation.Okay.But it will be her carrying my egg.

Yeah.

A lot of people don't know, like, that's a thing.

Oh yeah, for sure.

Yeah, so.Yeah, I want a son.

Because sometimes I've seen, heard, I haven't seen that women like, okay, they go get in vitro and okay, you have this one and the next one I have.But you say, it's going to be your egg and she's going to carry it.Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

That's the plans.

What type of papa you going to be?I'm going to be a good daddy.Hey, you going to teach him how to play football?Hey, you say this is what your old man used to do.This is what your old man used to do.

Man, yeah, for sure.

How would you explain someone that had the feelings, like you say, very early on, you knew that The feelings that you had, they weren't like, I'm not really attracted to guys.I'm attracted to women.Someone that's in a very similar situation.There are people out there right now that's going to watch this that are in a very similar situation as you were.What advice would you give them?

Be free.You don't owe nobody nothing.Be free.Live alone, die alone.Ain't really too much to explain because once you're free, All that don't even matter no more, you know, what you held on to.Because once I was free, I ain't look back.

But I think the thing is, what happened with you is that a lot of times it's the outside mom, dad, grandparents, family, friends, loved ones that put that pressure.You never succumbed to it.They didn't do that.They let you be you.So you never really experienced what it was like to like, no, you can't be that.Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.Yeah, that's what I really can't too much speak on right?Yeah, because I wouldn't understand but um, I mean it's it's gonna hurt you more hole in it Yeah, living that lie living that lie.That's what I just say.So you pick you pick your uh, right your pain Basically at what age?

did you ever wear dresses, or what age did you start wearing dresses, or you start doing your hair like a young lady, and just like, nah, this is just...

So, when I was young, my mom used to, you know, pick out my clothes for school.But my mom never made me a girly girl.She still kept a balance with me. I had sneakers.I had every pair of Jordans as a kid.Jumpers, jean jumpers.My mom had us dip ass kids.

My mom had her, she was getting her bread.You know what I mean?You know what I'm saying?Half.But you know, mommy had us sturdy.So yeah, my mom always dressed me and my brother almost the same.

But she, you know, my mom, Yeah, it was never, like, girly girl.My mom, you know, barrette sari in there as a kid, you know, da -da -da.But she, it was like she knew my preference.Right.Until I got a little older, where I could pick out my own clothes.And she would notice the difference in what I'm picking out.

Right.And...

You're like, damn, you ain't gonna put no dresses, no rainers skirts, no, all you got is jeans.

She barely had me in dresses neither.Anyway, so, you know what I mean?So, I barely was...Yeah, even when she got me a jersey, she got me a jersey dress, but she got me the jersey dress instead of a...That was like, yeah, she should have given me a jersey dress, you know what I mean?My own dukes, you know what I mean?

But like, of course, if it was occasion, some type of occasion, I had to wear a dress for certain things and stuff like that.But still, it wasn't too crazy.But I did wear...I wore one for my graduation, my 12th grade graduation.I had wore a dress.You wore heels?

Nah, it was like a little wedge.

I can't do all that, man. I couldn't no nails done.

None of that, man.You know what I mean?But I did it because it was like my grandparents and stuff like that.So it was kind of like that, but that was it.I wasn't no dress wearer.I wasn't getting my nails done.

You know what I mean?No makeup.You ain't never carry a purse?Hell no.No.No, man.

Never.I was never like.It was just it.Like it was a time where I.I tried to be, like, tomboyish feminine.

Yeah.

Tomboyish feminine, if that makes sense.

Yeah, OK.

But it was really just to see if, you know, to make my mom happy.When I first came out to my moms, I told her I was bisexual.

Right.

I didn't want her to know I was fully on that.

Right.Wasn't no bi.

Yeah.

I'm on it.

I'm on it.You know what I mean?So I tried to make it, I tried to play a little innocence in it where it was like, well, I ain't fully there.You know, I'm still.But I was lying.

Right.

You know what I mean?But then that went out the window, because I couldn't do it no more.Once I got a girlfriend and all that, it was just like, hey, listen, I'm here.This is what it is.This is what it is.And that was it.

I'm exhausted.Hold up.

Did you see Drewski's skit?

Which one?

The one that he had sex with you on Kaz's stream.

You talk about when Kostner said something back.

Yeah.

He said, who did the hitting?

Yeah.

Yeah, it was the other way around.He ain't never say no shit like that.

You're like, hey, man, nah.You say, hey, don't be with no dude.

I don't know.Juice can be the comedian, man.Nah, that's my son, though.We cool.We under the same team and all that.Same energy and all that.

But yeah.

Hold up.He also said that you don't like being called a stud.

Yeah, nah.I don't like being called nothing else besides Young M .

A.or my name.So, hold on.When did this, I mean, help me out.When did this stud thing come about?What you mean?

I mean, when I was, I didn't know there was a name.I just like, okay, they were just lesbian.I ain't know.I didn't know there was, I didn't know there was a term.

I mean, it's like slang.It's like how you come up with a slang word.

Is that a common thing now?Women don't like being called studs.I mean, I see, I see some like being called a stud.I don't know.they don't like being approached by those guys like, Hey bro, I like women.Leave me alone.

I don't know.I know.I don't.

You don't like being called it.

It ain't that I don't like it.It's like no, nobody really, you know, like when people say it, I don't care.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

But I'm not running around like advertising.Yeah, exactly.That's, that's not even my body, man.But you know, it's the thing now, what guys liking studs, Yeah, I'll be saying that, but I think it's for entertainment.I mean, what you mean entertainment?That's a woman.

What you mean?I mean, if it's a guy and it's a woman, I mean, you call yourself a stud, but you got women parts.Ain't no entertainment.

No, I'm saying it's entertainment for it to be a thing.Oh, okay.I'm saying that's entertainment.I mean, but they be looking good, so I want them to be looking good.

They do be looking good.Yeah.They look good.

I mean, but what that got to do with anything, if they look good?No, but I'm saying...You gotta make me understand.As a man, let me know.Let me know what you see.

Nah, but if...I think the thing is like when I was, let's say I'm in my twenties and thirties, I'm about to be 58 in about a month.And I remember like when I saw two women together, I was like, okay, well they look nice, but it never dawned on me that I would like, Oh, knowing that they're in a relationship, that I would be, I would be interested in one of them.No, I wasn't interested in none of them.Cause I just thought, okay, too.And I understand, I understand that both women, but when I see two women together, I'm like, okay, that's what they're like.

I keep it moving.I ain't, it only, it only aroused my curiosity to see what it was like to see now straight men say, Oh, I like the studs and whatever.Like you said, it might be entertaining or whatever the case may be.

It's entertainment, probably.

Oh, OK.

Or they might do.They might like it.But I'm saying it's becoming entertainment.Right.You know what I mean?But not to say that behind closed doors, that type of shit don't go on.

Right.

Yeah, I mean, it's just got somebody letting out the bag.

Yeah, exactly.

So it's like, you know what I mean?Yeah, it's like, well, damn.I mean, that's what they got going on.What about the men trying to flip them back?What you mean?

That's dumb, man. I ain't got nothing to do with that.I ain't got nothing to do with that.

Go ahead.That's what I'm saying.It ain't got nothing to do with me.

You know what I mean?All right, man.

Next question.

Like, in my face?No.No.

And I ain't on that type of time.

Listen, no.Never have.That's it.Damn.

That's it.Hold on.Who did the Photoshop of you on your 34th birthday holding a cake wearing a black dress?Entertainment.Why do, hold on.Help me understand.

Why is it that somebody wants you to wear a dress and want you to be a woman woman so bad?That's what I be saying.I don't know.

I don't know maybe because I'm so you know I'm young in May and I'm so known right and I'm the first person they think of as the you know that was it was that word I'm looking for like just a blueprint of whatever whateverBut also, too, I think, too, I'm going to say it, because I say, I kind of throw a little hint, I mean, a little slick, a little slick jab on Still Free, that's on the album, song number two.I mean, it's going to take more than AI picks for me to change.So, yeah, but I think people do that because I don't have a lot of controversy around my name.Because this ain't the first situation that's been put out there with Photoshop.They did the little pregnant shit.

Damn.

Yeah.They want me to be pregnant.They want me to be in a dress.You know what I mean?So basically, there's no real controversy behind my name.I don't put a lot of what I got going on for people to talk about.

Right.

It's just the music.You know what I mean?And people just try to find a narrative to run with about me because it's none.

Right.

And that's all they can get.And then it fades.And it's like, all right, well, hello, I'm not pregnant, dummy.I'm not in no dress, dummy.

Right.

And we back on to the music.OK.

That's it.So have you ever, like, tried to, like, change features, have a goatee, have a mustache, anything like that?

No.

You're like, nah.What you see is what you get.

You talk about, like, a transgender type vibe?

Yeah.

No.I'm happy with me.Yeah.I'm sturdy.

I'm good, man.Hold on.You directed a porn for Pornhub?For sure.Yeah, man. I ain't try, I was.I would, absolutely.

No, I thought you said, what you was about to say?No, I'm just saying, so, hold on.How...How what?No, I'm like, how did you like...You know what?

I want to be a director.No, they called me.

They called you?Yes.Yes, they know my body.They know I get them girls going.Choo -me.Choo -me, guys.

Cool.Yes, bro.You late to the party, Kai.Yeah, I'm real late.Hell, y 'all done had the party.How did you think I went caught pulling up here?

Let me get up in there.No, well, I was like, well, damn, y 'all had the party.They didn't tell me nothing about it.So now I hear it about a week later.

Nah, I even got my own toy line.It's called Play Nice.Play, N -Y -C -E.Dildos, all that.Vibrators for the women.

Yeah.

Yeah.That's a whole market, bro.

Yeah, I guess, like, Candy Burr's got a toy line, too, right?I don't know.Damn.Yeah, man.So what was that experience like?It was cool, man.

It was directing.It wasn't as people think it was.

Well, I'm sure.

I mean, it was all women's things.It's girl, girl.Yeah, all girls.OK.You know what I mean?But yeah, it's what you see on the screen.

It's what's going on.

Right.

Yeah, you just like how it is right here?

Yeah.

That's me.

And so you tell A -Chain, OK, get over here and do this.

Yeah.That wasn't my own.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.We switched that up.

Yeah.

Damn!I mean, why that so hard to believe?Because I ain't never been a porn director.I done met some directors that bid on some $200 million.I ain't never been one.

Hey, hello.

I'm here.So is that something that you would, like, do more of?Yeah.I mean, would you direct a boy -girl, a boy -girl -girl, a boy -boy -girl?

I mean, yeah.I mean, if it was an opportunity presented, I don't care if it's a man. I mean, like, let's get it right.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Hey, you know what?I learned something everyday, man.So now, so you done turned into Ryan Coogler.You Ryan Coogler, Antoine Foucault of the porn industry.Hello.Queen Latifah, Cleo said it all.

Is it true that Issa Rae approached you about reprising that role?

Nah, it was definitely a thing that went viral, but nah, I never got that call.

Would you play that?Would you?You like movies?Yeah.

Yeah.I did a TV show.

Right.

Yeah.

You want to do, I mean, would you like to do TV?Would you like to do movies?Yeah.

That's like probably the next outlet for me.

Right.

Yeah, for sure.

But you had an opportunity to Empire, right?

Yeah.

And you turned it down.

Yeah.Why?Because at that time, I wasn't young and made, fully developed.And I knew, you know, with that type of position, that would push a different character And the spotlight didn't kind of take away from who I was really trying to be.

Exactly.You trying to develop.

Yes.

And I knew that was that was that was that was a president now.

Exactly.

They go like, oh, she all of a sudden empire gone.

Not trying to be a rapper.

Yeah.OK, that was good.That's a good thing.Yeah.And so I know you don't regret that.

No, I dug it from the door.

Right.

No, no, no.You know, no disrespect to them because it was a good show.

Right.

Yeah.

You did the freestyle to Poussin.song F .DD .O.He's kind of in a situation right now.Like, you did it independently.

And let's just say for the sake of argument, had you not done it independently and you went with a record label.So what's, I think, the better way of asking it, what is some of the way an artist can get out of a contract that he or she is signed with a record label?Or is that even possible?It depends on What was uh, I mean you can't do the five heartbeats and like big red try to strong on red career go hang out the window That's what i'm saying depends on what was in the contract.

I mean, I can't really speak for everybody I was I was just blessed to have that Mentality and my mom raised me right to understand, you know a lot of situations, you know Not every situation is a good situation, right?But I always had that intuition, you know what I mean?So I can't really speak for other people's situation because you just never know how they was right, you know could have been, you know, manipulated or anything.You just don't know.

I think the thing, Terry Crews gave me some great advice.I had Terry Crews on here.He said, Shannon, you can't nod yes and mean no.And we see that a lot of times.Yeah, yeah, yeah.In actuality, you want to say no, but it's so enticing.

Because normally, rappers, you come from a situation where you don't have a whole lot of money.If somebody's going to give you a quarter of a million, half a million, a million dollars, Yeah.I know this ain't a good contract, but that money is so enticing.I can do so much for my family.I can, you know, and it's just hard.And so, in other words, you're saying no, yes, but you really want to say no if you don't.

And once you put your name on the line, it's a thing.What have you learned about fame?

It's almost uncontrollable.That's what I learned.Can't control fame.Once you famous, you famous forever.That's it.That's all I learned.

It's uncontrollable.You gotta adapt to fame.

Do you like it?

I wouldn't call it a like or don't like situation.I tolerate it.But I try to keep my peace and keep my fame at a level for myself.Because I don't have to be everywhere.If I decide to say, I don't want to go out to this club today, I don't have to.

Right.

You know what I mean?I don't need myself to be seen all the time.

Right.

So it's, it's, it's, you know, it's how you control it.

You see the, uh, the ice spice fighting at McDonald's.

Yeah.I seen that.

Why did somebody walk up on you like that?

You go squabble?Yes, man.Come on, man.

So in other words, basically they knew ice spice really, really, really didn't want to bang.They didn't want to bump like that, but ain't nobody go ain't no one was, I don't think a female.excuse me, let me take that back.I don't think a young woman or a woman is going to walk up on you like they did Ice Spice.

I mean, I don't see the girl who did it.I don't know.Wasn't she young?

That's what I said.A young, a young woman.

Yeah, I think she was young.I think, you know, when you young, I think she was like a teenager, real young and you know, kids, man, they ain't no telling.I don't think she was thinking like Ice Spice ain't about that life.I think it was just more so kid and you see a celebrity and kind of want that attention.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But see, they see, oh man, that's Young M .A.They want that attention, you gonna give it to them.But that ain't the kind of attention they want though.I mean, come on, look at Ice -Spice.Man, you ain't think, I see Ice -Spice.

I mean, I probably wouldn't.I mean, if I saw on television, it's, I mean, sometimes you see people like, damn, is that, and then Young M .George is like, you know who that is, boss?I was like, oh, OK.Because, you know, but if I saw her, I'm not thinking like, oh, she bought that, let me start something.Or I see somebody that's trying to, that ain't, that ain't, when did that happen?

The internet is robbed, it's creating some monsters.Yeah, man, exactly.Because everybody wants their 15 minutes.

That's why you got to be cautious about where you bring your presence.I was gonna say, you can't just be anywhere.

Man, she just tried, I mean, it was the time that the McDonald's shake machine was working.You know, no, you know what I'm saying?I would get me a shake.Right.You know, she just sat down.Just wanted to be regular for a second.

Yeah.And they say, you know what?Oh, you ain't regular.You not approachable.She's sitting down at McDonald's.How much more normal can she be than that?

And then in a situation like this, something pop off like that.And so they wonder why a lot of times, Celebs and entertainers don't make themselves accessible because everybody's not happy for your success.Everybody's not happy that you're in the position that you're in, or they feel like you owe them something.I bought your record.I watched your movies.Thank you.