Young Thug opens up in powerful bid for fresh start, Drake's advice, purpose & UY SCUTI | The Pivot

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You really went all the way LSU, didn't you?

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What was that?

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With this shirt.

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This is Lakers.

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We in LA.

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Oh, that's the Lakers.

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Okay.

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Yeah, we at Lakers. But I had my Lakers hat.

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Honestly, I had a Lakers hat.

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You wanna go both ways.

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Whoa.

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I don't wanna go both ways.

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Not like that.

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Whoa. like no square ass with the look. That's how I wear my hat. What you mean? You can't wear them flat hats.

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I wear a straight middle on my hat.

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You good, baby?

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There's a lot of Atlanta in here today, man.

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Yeah, Jack.

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God with respect.

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But we talented.

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You should feel at home. There's a lot of Atlanta here.

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I do. That's what I do, my man from ATL right here. Still got a house off Hogan Bridge. That man don't care. Still in the town. Georgia 400, I still got my house up there.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I ain't leaving Atlanta, but I can't. I can't leave Miami, because I love Miami too,

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but I got to have somewhere to be in Atlanta. How long you been in Atlanta? Shit, I got to Atlanta in 93. My mom and daddy got divorced. They hate each other. And then we moved to Atlanta.

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And I got to Atlanta in 93. So I was there till I went to college in 03. So I was in Atlanta like 10, 11 years.

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Yeah.

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Well, that's enough Atlanta.

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Listen, you can't do enough Atlanta.

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There's nothing Atlanta. There's no way to do enough Atlanta. Listen, you can't do enough Atlanta. There's no way to do enough Atlanta. This is Young Thug, Bray Taylor, Ryan Clark, Shannon Crowder, Pivot fam. Thank y'all for pivoting with us. First off, just want to say, bruh, it's good to see you outside and walking.

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Good to see you upright.

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Yeah, appreciate it.

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I heard something you said recently, man. You talked about people using your life as fun or memes. And this is what you were actually living. For you, how has the adjustment been to come out and now people are using your real life

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struggles the way they are?

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I don't know. I think I've been dealing with the problems so much I ain't even just paid too much attention to it. I think it just came across. You know, one day you just like going through the motions and you just like

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damn like like everybody laughing like ain't nobody sat and just was like, damn, what are they leaking like? Like, this nigga intimate moments, like real phone calls. So, you know, I just always, I was just telling the people that was involved

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in the phone calls, all my friends, the people that I, you know, have feelings for, you know, I just telling them, you gotta just treat it like you never heard it because you ain't never supposed to hear it.

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Yeah.

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So just try to treat it like that, bro. It's crazy, though. I don't know. I just look at it like, dang, like, bro, you laughing at, like, real situations. I say it to myself, too, though. Like, imagine if conversations, not that we have on the phone, just conversations

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we might have in here that aren't taped or talking about things that's going on in our lives, if people got to hear those things, how they might feel. But something that I respected was to say, those conversations that I had on the phone, I had with those people too. If if somebody heard me talk about you, I'd wanna make sure that me and you

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would have that conversation, so you could say that too.

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Yeah. And bro, how was it like, bro, we all, it was, your legal struggle was blasted to the world. We watching you every day, sitting in that courtroom, where your dress ain't tight. And I know you look good, like man, Brayden ain't got his dress tight.

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Like how is that to go day to day and just sit there and not know what side of the legal struggle you about to fall on? Because hell, as fans, we was like, we sitting there watching, but it's your life. I'm about to pick my kids up after school. It's your life though. Bruh, I don't know.

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Just God made me a happy person, so I was able to just have like joyful moments, even throughout the whole situation, because you just get closer to God, you learn like, once you learn that it's never really the end, if God don't kill you, it ain't the end of you. So once you like figure that part out, everything else, you start noticing that it's

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like, oh, this is just a part of like the chapter, like this is a part of the movie. I think I was more so like just looking at it like that, like, whatever happens, it's going to happen to them. So I can't be just, like, caught up in, like, the moment. Because it's just like, you ain't dead. It can't be the end. Something, you know, even people in prison with life sentences,

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it's just, you never know. Like, I got a brother that had a life sentence. He did 12 and a half years. He thought he was going to do his whole life, and then something just happened. And God just gave him another chance. I always had deep inner thoughts,

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like, this ain't the end for me. I think that's how I was able to just, like, cope with everything that was happening. Just knowing, like, this ain't, it ain't the end, because I'm still living. I got, it's just a part of the book. You know, you just watching a movie and it's just like a crazy part of the movie. Like, it's just a crazy part.

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Like, damn this shit crazy. Just looking at it every day is just crazy.

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Like we watched, we watching you with the, what are those, what's that, lamb hair? Yeah.

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That's lamb? Yeah, man, I'm gonna call Rick Owens and ask him what it is, man, what skin, you know. That's lamb hair. I think your neck and your wrist is, your wrists are more expensive than my house right

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now.

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Are you pocket watching this, man?

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Everybody around here.

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Oh, you know, hey, you know I'm a pocket watcher. I don't know if you watch the show. I watch pockets now. Yes, you got it.

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But, bruh. You definitely gonna ask some random questions, boy. Yeah, I'm gonna ask some random shit. But how do you go from living the way you live? And it was, I think they said it's the longest case that Georgia ever had. Longest drive.

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And you sitting there, bruh, three hots in the cot. Living to this, to three hots in the cot. What is that like when you sitting there looking up at night?

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Hell.

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So what, boy, you just, you go from the life we live to that. What? I think my situation was so serious, I ain't even have time to realize. I think from day one, my lawyer was at the jail every day,

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six hours, eight hours a day. From day one, I ain't even have time to even just like think and sit back. Like, obviously it ended up just catching up. You got officers, some of the officers just, they just normal people.

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They ain't thinking like chess players. They just, man, bro, how it feel just being in there, big bro, you ain't nothing. I know you got a big ass beard. Right, I ain't even bringing this up. I'm just a motherfucker exercising. Nigga just like, right, just damn, bro, you a nasty ass fuck.

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You got a heated marble, bro.

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You know.

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Man, going from the life that God gave us to that is make you, it's hump, it's hump. You're gonna get humped.

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Sure.

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Did it change you?

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Yeah. I think more. I learned how to play chess. Patience. Closer to God. Why closer than you ever be. I don't think no man can be the closest he can get to God unless he go to jail. And it can't be just like a speeding ticket, or you're drunk or something.

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It gotta be some shit like, hey, nigga, this the end of it. This decision right here, your ass going home, or you going to prison for the rest of your life. You gotta be in that type of situation. That's what makes it just like, so for people like us, we street, you know what I'm saying? We from the street. You got regular people that's just like, you know what I'm saying? You can go to jail for a DUI and be like,

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ah, hell no, you know? But where you from, where we from, it gotta be something like detrimental. It gotta be real serious. Even if it ain't life, it just gotta be something serious. That's when you gonna get closer to God, working out, patience is key.

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Patience.

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Do you remember the moment you reached out to God though? You know what I mean? Like the moment where, cause you said it can't be something quick for somebody like you. It can't be a DUI.

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It has to be a life or death or a inside or outside situation. Do you remember the moment where you fell on your knees and you said, okay God, I don't

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get out of this without you? One of the days my lawyer came and saw me and he just like, he just couldn't take it no more neither, you know? Not like panicking, but he was just like, like, fuck, bro, we in some shit, bro. Like, nigga, what the fuck? Have you never not listened to me, bro?

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Cause he been my lawyer for like 15 years. He always told me, like, man, stay away from people. Stay away from these guys. Stay away, you know, people ain't on bigger levels than you. You don't deal with it. Only bad come from it. Dealing with people in your hood can't nothing but bad come from it. Nothing ever in life but bad, you know. Learned the

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hard way, but I guess we was just going through the discovery, which had so many fucking terabytes of discovery. And we just went, they was sending it like, discovery one, discovery two, discovery three, and it just be like fucking 50 million sheets of paper. And it just be like, fucking 50 million sheets of paper. So it's just like, but we'll make it through all of it and it wouldn't be so bad. And we're like, yes.

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And you know what I'm saying? Like, then they like Discovery 2 and then it don't be nothing in it pertaining to me. He's like, yeah, we're good. We got them. Discovery 3, really not too much. Discovery four, not too much.

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Discovery five, crazy. Discovery six, crazy. Discovery seven, crazy.

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Now it's just like, damn.

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And he just came to see me one day, boy, he just was like, man, you know I'm with you forever, man. No matter what, bro, you go to prison forever, I die. That's what my lawyer used to always tell me. If you go to prison forever, I die. Part of me is gone.

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Like, I'm like a son to him. I'm one of his sons. Bro, if you go to prison forever, part of me is dead, literally. I would not be able to continue being a lawyer and just, like,, a happy person. Just them type of talks just had like,

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where I...

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Like, though, you,

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you was the 10th of 11 kids growing up, right? So that's a lot of love in a big household. You spoke on Bank Interview about not having your people, your guys around you. Now, like, when I see that, I see like that image of Will Smith standing in the house,

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looking around, nobody in there, right? How does it feel knowing that when you went in, you had everything, right? All your people. And now to come home, you're on your pivot. Like it's a big reset.

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You got to get back to it. Like what state of mind are you in right now?

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Like seriously? I don't know, bro. I just think I'm a street nigga, bro. I'm just, I'm such a gangster and a man. I just don't like to just be like, to even acknowledge if I'm depressed about something.

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Like, I don't even really know what the fuck depressed is. I don't know how you appear when you're depressed. I don't know, bro. I be having talks with my girl, just like some of the homies, people like Big Bang. Talk to them type people and just like, damn, bro, you depressed, bro, you hurt.

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I'm like, what it look like? How you know? I never just really dealt with it. I was just so caught up into just like, shows, my craft, and just like, helping people and doing shit. To the point where I don't know. I think I'm depressed.

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But I just think it's because goddamn, everybody telling me. I don't know if I am, I don't know if I'm. You saying like, right now, still,

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you think you're depressed?

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Hell yeah, because you got to think like, shit. Not to just keep talking about the shit that I talked about in Bank interview, but like you got to think, it's just like, imagine y'all just being with each other for the last 12 years. Every day.

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Every day.

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You got shows, they going to your show. When they got a show, you going there. It's just every day. Till just like being in jail, then your crew doing the wrong thing. Now you dolo. Now your crew get out of jail,

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even though you ain't really too tough caring to even deal with them no more. When they, if they do some backstabbing, you like, I ain't tripping anyway. But like, they get out of jail, then they don't check in, nobody do nothing.

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It's just like, you know, I'm just like going to court. Luckily we didn't have a mean judge at the end of the trial. So we can, I was able to like be on the internet and say I'm just seeing niggas that just like left me in the slump. I'm just seeing them on the internet just living they life, people just doing it. It's just so much shit bro like what the fuck. Then you get out of jail you got like the biggest record label in the world at that point

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like post 2022 like going up 2022 like I had the number one record label until you getting out of jail and it's like everybody just gone head head. You know what I'm saying? How much of a difference did you feel from, and Channing sort of asked this question,

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but from being famous, right?

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Worldwide.

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Worldwide.

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Like, it's so funny, you know, and I made fun of my producer. It was funny that she was even texting and sent it up. She was like, yeah, you know, they say thugs can do this time. And I told her, I was like, one, when you text thug like that, it only means one person. Right. Everybody knows who that one person is.

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You don't have to explain the rest of it to being in jail.

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What's the stark contrast between those two polar opposite lives? Being able to see that you just still a person. Like the shit, like being a superstar is just like a mask. It's like a representative. When you get in jail and you like fighting for your life, you realize like, damn, this shit all an act.

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It's all just like a fucking mask. It's like a representative. You know what I'm saying? When you in jail, you goddamn get stripped. Now you know like, damn, just like this nigga. This nigga, boom, just like this nigga, bro.

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Like I can get stored every single week, but I I gotta do the same exact thing and wear the same exact thing and think just like this nigga. And he might get out before me. It was times when I was in jail, I was wishing I was with other people in that motherfucker. Like, damn, I wish I was that nigga, bro. That nigga finna go.

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Like, nigga looking at a junkie like, damn! Oh, I'm finna get out of this bitch. They just sit in that bitch while I'm just like, damn, bro, this is the first time I ever in my life considered being a police. Like, damn, I wish I was a police. These niggas clock in, they got their phones in the jail,

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they just walking around, checking on people. What's up, bro? All right, bro, I'll see you tomorrow. We're going on home with the damn, man. If I was a police, I wouldn't even be in this situation. What? I don't mind. So I know all the way over from a kid, it's just like, I'm going to be a police. I do not want to be in this shit.

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I tell you what, if it made you feel like you wanted to be the police, bro, that's a

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bad ass time, dog.

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I remember. I done been locked up a couple times. In that cell with that toilet in the middle where I got to shit in front of all them other grown men. That was the most uncomfortable thing to me because I'm shitting and there's a crackhead staring at me. Right in my eyes.

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What's up, bro?

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You gonna do something with that shit, bro? You know, in jail you don't know, man. Shit crazy. But bro, when, like you said, it's funny you say that. You just a street, you a street dude. And I had to learn, I got locked up in college. Because I was, I came from Atlanta and I go to Gainesville and I'm still doing the same thing. My whole thing was another grown man can't call me a bitch

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and not get, we have to fight. And then I get around other people from around the world and dudes be like, bitch, bitch has, whatever they say. And I would jump on them and everybody be like, damn, bro, you, when are you going to get out of this? I'm all American. You know what I'm saying?

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We make, we make money. We're famous. Like when, when can you separate it and say like, bro, you're the thug, you're the breadwinner of a lot of people. When can you get out of that and transition? Because you can't be no street dude no more.

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I'm sorry to tell you, you can't be that guy no more. You need to be the guy that's selling out 100,000 people's stadiums. You the guy that can change your kid's kid's kid's life and you gotta get out the streets. Can you, is there any transition?

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Yeah, absolutely. I think, I think the transition already has started. Like the transition started in jail. You know, you just praying every day, you praying 10 times a day to God. You telling God, man, you let me get me out of this situation.

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Man, listen, I'm walking straight line green. Yeah. I'm walking straight line, I'm going green, you know? So I think the transition started then, but when you get out of jail, you feel untouchable

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too.

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Once you beat something so big like that, you feel untouchable too. So you like, your mindset is like on another planet, but the world is still stuck on the young thug that they know. So you trying to be a musical genius at the same time you trying to take your son to school, be a man to your girlfriend, be a real man to your girlfriend, but you still got to appease the culture because they still 10 years back, everybody 10 years back compared to what I think.

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Compared to the shit that's on my mind, I look at everybody in the world, everybody in the industry, motherfucking sports, everybody, nobody mindset is what mine is, but it's just like, I done be feeling like I gotta dumb it down to be appealing to everybody.

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It's crazy, bro.

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Like you, you're a musical genius. I'll agree with you on that. So take that and get out the streets. That's the thing that I think dudes have problems with getting, bro. You don't have to run. You just said it.

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You said it earlier. The dudes that you used to hang with, they doing dumb shit. You can't hang with them no more.

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You're on a different level right now.

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Fact.

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But is it hard to move away from? It's like football. They say like, what's it called? remorse where you are special and now you feel bad for the people that aren't special. Is that a feeling too to just to elevate yourself and when you elevate elevate. That's always a feeling when you see I grew up in the house with 15 people so you are you never looking out for yourself you always thinking for

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yourself and you trying to think to make them bigger. I'm trying to make everybody around this motherfucker big. So you going to always like, as I go up, you got to understand like people not going up. So as you go up, they go down. Well, they just, even if they just stagnant, it just seemed like they going down because you going up.

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So like, obviously that played the biggest part. You like talk to your friends on the phone, your little homies in the hood, they're like, Big Bruh, pull up on Big Bruh. They ain't on no bullshit. They don't want you on no bullshit, but they still want to see you. They still want to do certain things.

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Now it's like, man, I can't bring y'all niggas to the studio on that, because I been in the studio with these type people. to steal some shit. I got to leave y'all niggas in the hood, you know what I'm saying? And it's purely their fault. It ain't me. It ain't my fault that some people that I love got to stay in the hood. It's just like y'all two streets. I wouldn't say that I'm still in the street.

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I ain't in the streets at all. I think people just consider, I think not correct. But you still like, I'm still a man. Like I'm not gonna get a goddamn billion dollars and be like, oh, I'm okay with this guy because he had a motherfucking rate charts. Now I'm a billionaire, now that's okay.

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Nah, nah, nigga, we live by morals and principles. We live by what we live by. You know, I look at it like my brother had a life sentence for somebody telling him. So I can't deal with a nigga that tell, I can't deal with a rat. My brother had a life sentence because somebody told him.

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And he had the right and he had the first chance to tell, to get out of it. And he didn't, he just took it like a man, you know what I'm saying? I feel like them type of people raised me. So I think me just like advocating for like

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real standup guys, I'm just from the trenches. So like my morals and principles might be different than yours. You came up in a sport, it's like y'all came up in a sport. Like it's different than how we came up. So you, you might, you might cherish like playing

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on the same team your whole career. That's loyal. That's what you look at as loyal. I look at never telling on your homies loyal. I look at not goddamn switching sides. Don't tell nobody.

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I mean, don't do nothing to hurt your mans. Don't do nothing to hurt your homie. Bros before everything. I look at it different. I came up in a different sense, in a different time. I hear that, the street code part of it, right? The way you grew up, that sort of loyalty,

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the things that you learn from those experiences. But unlike what people try to make black men be,

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you had a father that was there.

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Yeah.

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11 kids. You said he took care of 15 people before he took care of 15 people before he took care of himself. How much did he influence who you are

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even over some of the street stuff? He didn't influence me because I was just caught up in the street. So he influenced me on like being a good dad. He ain't influenced, I never looked at my dad like I want to be you.

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Because he was just like a real house dad. Like he was in the house with us. He just like put us in a bed for school and shit. I wasn't into that type of shit. I was, I grew up in the hood. So I was into like dope niggas who sell weed and dope niggas who got 15 women. Niggas who just like, you know what I'm saying? Like, that was just appealing to me more than that. But I feel like I take more,

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the things that I do now, I take more of that from my dad, from what my dad did. So that's the reason why I respect that he was there, because I still was able to just sit back a lot of times and just watch him. And the way I move now is the way he was moving.

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Like, as a, you know, when it, moving from the aspect of being a family man. You know what I'm saying? I got kids that live with me. I just like, I know how to be a dad. I know how to be a man from him. But as far as who I look up to, I look up to niggas like Lil Wayne.

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This nigga 12 years old in a motherfucking supercar with grown women right here in the video shoot. Just like fire. Like, boy, this is hard. You know? Like it just, that's how we came up.

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Yeah.

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Can you even have so much fun anymore though? So much fun?

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So much fun. Yeah, like, so my son, huge fan of your music, like he would just post pictures and he just put so much fun. And you know, at the time I was the old dad and I was like, sure, I gotta go listen. Right? listen, right? You don't seem like you can have that personality, that persona, that you can enjoy life in that way

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anymore in listening to what you're saying. So how will that genius that you have as it pertains to music, how will that be given to the world now after all that you've been through? I think just like bare faced. You can't just like try to pretend and be a certain way. I think it's just gotta be authentic.

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It gotta just be bare. And I think that people gonna gravitate to it and they gonna understand it. You know what I'm saying? Cause they done seen it so much fun me, but it was like everybody.

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So I was just like happy as a motherfucker. I had my family, I had my girl, I had my kids, my friends, all my rap buddies. Like it was just lit. Like we lit. Everybody was friends. Now everybody in the rap community beefing with each other. Just totally, everything is just different.

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How the hell? A lot of the rap niggas that show friends, a lot of them beefing with each other. I'm on the phone most of the day trying to make these niggas start beefing. You know what I'm saying? That shit the world will never know, but most of my time be trying to reunite niggas that don't even supposed to be divided. It's crazy, but I don't think it would be that fun like that no more because I just don't got the people that have made me comfortable. You know what I'm saying? I got friends. I got a lot of shit going on for sure that's just like, that's good for me. But I think the comfortability came from certain people.

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So you know you can't have a future with them people. You just like, I don't think I can get to that so much fun level no more. With the Lil Wayne thing, right? So I grew up on Wayne. I wake my daughter up to in a minute, a minute, a minute, a minute, a minute, the life gang stuff like my, so it's two generations of it.

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And for y'all to beef, is that beef there? Is that real hate or is it something else with Wayne? Because I can't sit here with you being from LA. You sound just like the dope boys that I used to race for in the gas station parking lot. That's why I keep smiling when you talk. But for you and Wayne not to get along, that got to me when I found that out.

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I think it was just like, he ain't on the internet. So he was just going off of what people would say to him or what fans would say. So he ain't looking at the internet. He'll just be at one of his shows and his fans will be like, hey fuck Young Thug, that nigga just want to be you. He's a bitch, you want a dress, you know, shit like that.

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And he was feeding off of that type of shit. But me and him got a way better relationship now. We got an album and everything. put this shit together and release the album together. But goddamn. Rob Markman That's good, man. Yeah, but it's cool with you and Wayne. Yeah, hell yeah. We been, that shit been settled.

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That shit was settled like 2018, 2019. We did an album like 2019. We just never put the songs out. He put one song of me and him on his last album.

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Can I get it?

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I need it.

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It's out. No, I need all of it. I want the whole thing.

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You greedy, bro. You greedy. No, I mean, like, you talking about sitting back and looking at everything like you're watching a movie, right? If I'm doing that, it would seem that you was the glue that held all this shit together.

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Going back the last three years, once your situation happened, the whole industry just kind of shook up. You was the leader, bro. Everybody look up to you as the leader of a lot of shit. You know what I'm saying? What do you take accountability for, if anything?

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I take accountability for the jail calls that came out. I take accountability for however my friends feel about me. I take accountability for the good things too, like stopping a lot of beef, stopping a lot of shit in the industry from happening. I take full accountability. I'm a man, man.

29:22

I'm a gangster, bro. We ain't ducking no smoke. Like, we here. You know what I'm saying? That's why I did the apology song. I don't understand. Because I seen a few things on the internet where people say, like, oh, he still ain't taking accountability. I feel like the Big Bang interview was just total accountability. I told you exactly what I did. I told you what I felt like I did wrong. I told everybody how I felt.

29:46

You know what I'm saying? But like, far as like what you was speaking on earlier, I'm for 100% the glue to a lot of this shit. And I feel like sometimes just standing in interviews won't be enough because you got some niggas that's just like still wearing a mask.

30:02

So they won't vouch for it. They won't do certain things. You know what I'm saying? It's just like a mask. Some people got to be that way. So I get it, but I definitely stopped a lot of shit from happening in this world. I stopped a lot of rap beefs. I stopped a lot of things. I take accountability for that for sure. I take accountability for the bad things I did, of course. It's obvious, you know, I say sorry if I can take it back 100% I take a bit.

30:27

No, but a lot of times because you X you you mentioned whether or not you didn't know if you were depressed or not and like coming up in certain environments, you know, we we we we put this mask on right and

30:44

I'm by me try shape us to be tough and had, you know, had that mask. You ever consider, you ever consider therapy though? Like really sitting down with somebody? And not to say it doesn't make you less of who you are, cause you're going to be that at the end of the day,

31:02

but just to hear from a different perspective. I ain't never really considered it. I always felt like I had OGs. I always felt like- They're telling you the same shit that you already know. I feel like a therapist is going to do the same thing.

31:16

I feel like-

31:17

Possibly.

31:18

I feel like we know better. We just got to do better. You know what you don't supposed to do. Like, you don't need me or none of them or no therapist to tell you, like, if you tell your therapist, man, I'm going back and forth with my wife, bro.

31:33

I'm just trying to... They're going to say, let her be heard. Shut up sometimes. Listen more to you talk. They're going to say the same shit. Man, that's another bill, man. Like, it's more like, you'll understand it more, but I feel like, me personally, I feel like it's a weakness in that

31:50

because I feel like, shit, I'ma listen to my girl. Like, I just listen to my girl. Or I listen to my little sister, my big sister, my big brother, my dad, my mom, my OGs. I listen to y'all, like, it's really a slap in the face to me. If I, you know what I'm saying, I just was telling my girl that, like, I don't think you need a therapist, I don't think I need a therapist.

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I feel, I feel like, I feel like I'm not a man if my girl get a therapist. It's like, damn, you actually are calling somebody and listen to what they got to say over me instead of just listening to what I'm telling you. I just feel less of a man. You know, in that, there's obviously things that happen through the calls being released

32:33

that did affect your relationship with your girl or did impact that. And sometimes, it's not that she can't come to you, but it is difficult for the person who is causing the hurt to fix the hurt. How were you two able to mend your relationship

32:52

over some of the things that could have in a situation where she is showing the ultimate support, you guys have the ultimate love? It could have pulled you guys apart, but it seemed to bring you closer. How did you all continue the communication

33:07

to keep you close during those times? The thing about it is, I think it didn't have a crazy ripple effect to us because we already knew. We already had knew. When I was in jail, some people had sent her

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some phone calls and stuff when I was in jail of me talking to other girls and all that shit. Like, that type shit. So we already knew everything that came on the internet. Everything that just happened these last two or three weeks, me and her already knew.

33:36

We already done talked about it. I already done got cussed out about it. Broke up with, got back together, moved on. All this shit happened when I was in jail. And that was just another burden, like another fucking situation I was dealing with in jail. So we was already past it. Obviously it played a new part because it's like,

33:54

she was told all these things by me when I was in jail, but she ain't never heard it. So now you just, now it's another sadness, another sad moment. It's just like, damn, bro, you already cried about this shit.

34:08

You already done goddamn cussed me out, chewed me out about this. Like you already done did. We already done went through this whole emotion. Like I'm not trying to relive this shit cause the internet is hearing it.

34:17

Like we already know about it. We been knew about it. You chose to stay with me, so it's just like, we rocking. You know what I'm saying? But I had to just sit down and listen to her point of view, and she just was like, it's a different when me and you know, and we moving. Like, nigga, I'm a motherfucking phenomenon too. The world look at me. You know what I'm saying?

34:36

I'm a nut. You know what I'm saying? She like, shit, I'm one of that too. Yeah, like, nigga, I'm like that too. You gotta understand, I knew about it, but like, nigga, it's a different type of embarrassment to see like a nigga that you riding with or you just holding down through this dark ass moment, just be on the phone with another bitch, no matter what it's about. Like I just had to sit like, damn, you right.

34:59

Yeah, like that's real talk and that's the conversation she has to have with you. But she already knew about it, though. Yeah, but with you, though, listen to you talk to Fred. You said, I take accountability for everything. And you actually said, if I could take it back, I would. What are some of the things that you've done or that happened that you wish you could take back? Those phone calls, obviously.

35:23

Just maybe just having kids with several different women. I would've wanted to just have all my same kids, but just with one woman or, you know, all it is and just one basket. Graduating, my friends that died, you know. All the situations that happened in the past. The fucking ripple effect that it had on all our lives and futures, you know what I'm saying?

35:48

Man really, like, nigga so fucked up, bro. Nigga done been through so much. I really just want to take my whole life back, just start over. We need to start this shit over. All this shit bad. The only good thing about this shit is you got money and you can take care of your family,

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take care of your friends and who you love. That's the only good thing about this shit is you got money. And you can take care of your family, take care of your friends and who you love. That's the only good thing about this shit. Nigga got down to come from some bullshit, bro. Everything else is just straight bullshit. Everything. Bro, you got six by four?

36:19

Six kids by four women.

36:20

Yeah.

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You need to strap it up. Nah, but shit, I've to strap it up. Nah, but she is. You know, I've been strapped up.

36:26

No, you're not strapped up if you have six kids by four women. You're not putting the rubber on, because we're all famous and people loved us as well, and there were women throwing themselves at us, and I put a rubber on. Me too.

36:39

And I waited.

36:40

You didn't.

36:41

How you have a baby with a rubber thug. I think one of them. How you have a baby with a rubber thug. I think one of them, it was in the ear.

36:47

And no, I'm just talking.

36:54

But I do rubber thugs because it's like, shit, my youngest kid about to be 12, bro. I ain't had no babies in 12 years. Oh, so you figured it out on the back side. You figured it out on the backside. I figured it out. Like, you know what? It's me.

37:05

Hey, woke thug couldn't afford no rubbers, man.

37:06

I couldn't afford no fucking rubbers.

37:07

Yeah, listen, them Trojans, I ain't wear the baby blues.

37:08

But all my baby mamas, I knew them for like five years or more before we even had kids. So we done done like friends. We just shared so many moments where we just like, all right, come on. Like, let's get after it. You know what I'm saying?

37:26

And about that, bro, it's crazy.

37:28

I knew you was gonna ask him that.

37:29

What's that?

37:30

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

37:31

He ain't strapping up like that. But before, I didn't know you were young as 12, so you were young thug.

37:36

Right, that's what I'm saying. And now you understand that that baby body is worth a little more.

37:45

Absolutely.

37:47

I'm looking up, that's how I know you have six by four. Because I looked you up knowing you coming in, and they was talking about your sexuality. And I'm like, bro, he has six kids by four women. Like, he's a heterosexual. Is that 100% correct? Like, I just assumed it, that you're a heterosexual.

38:04

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

38:05

You know, you know, I don't got no problem with J, G, you know what I'm saying? With the community, I don't got no problem with the community, man.

38:13

LGBTQ and all that, yeah.

38:15

Ain't got no problem with all them, with the alphabets at all. But you, man. Bro, when I heard him talking about it, I'm like, no, thug. Man, you know, that's why I said like, your mind be so far gone, you had to dumb it down. Like I been have had like black painted nails, rock star. I been paint my nails.

38:35

I been wearing dresses. I been just doing like the pop star, the 2050. I been doing the 3,000. I've been doing the far, far, far away. It's just like, I just had to stop doing it. I just had to dumb it down. Because it's just like the world ain't on it.

38:50

The world couldn't catch on to it. You feel like you allowed, because you seem to be very, very solid and also strong in what you believe, and what you think, and what you love, and what you believe and what you think and what you love and what you enjoy. So you're saying that you actually changed some of those things, whether it was the dresses. By the way, that's one of my favorite albums when you had the dress on front of it. So I don't care what the hell you had on, you was rapping your ass off.

39:18

But just in the sense of, do you feel you allowed the world to change things that were authentically you

39:27

in order to be more understood?

39:29

Yeah, overly.

39:31

Really?

39:32

Hell yeah. It's like I just pass it down to like, ooh, Z-Bird, Cardi, Playboy, Cardi. I just pass it to them like, hey.

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And if you look at Freddie T, he ain't been taking on too many lately. And I ain't got no hair either. Zero hair. What's the most misunderstood thing you think people, you know, view you as? Right now I think the most misunderstood thing is just like a pillow talker. I don't pillow talk. I was just having-

40:44

That really hurt you. I was just having a moment in my life where I just was like, I be sitting back like, that really hurt you, dog. Damn, I was on the phone, like, talking about people. Like, I just, no girl in my entire life, ever in life, could tell you that I ever pillow talked with them

40:58

on the phone, ever in life, except this girl when I was in jail. I swear that shit just getting me every day. Just like, damn, bro, I really was on the phone like a pussy, bro.

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Like...

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That jail shit had your ass, bro.

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I'm telling you.

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It's a thing, though.

41:15

It ain't really got you shook, though, bro.

41:17

But that shit had... You don't need... You just like... You don't give a fuck. You get to a point, and it ain't like everybody who in jail. It's just niggas that were in the situation that I was in. Like, you just thinking this shit over with.

41:28

Like, this shit over. I ain't, I don't give a fuck. I'm not tripping. Like, I think I was in that part, I'm telling you. Cause I had a lot of parts when I was just happy. I had parts when I was like, fucking partial. I just had so many different moments from three years,

41:46

like, I think around that time, cause it was like, maybe like, two month fucking window, when those phones calls was happening. It was like a two month window. And I think it was just that moment where I just was like,

42:03

we just making conversation. I can't talk about street shit. I can't talk about what's going on in the street. I can't talk about what's going on in the case. Like, I don't know what's going on in the world. So I'm just on the phone with my girl

42:12

and we just talking about what can I talk about? I'm a rapper. We're talking about rappers.

42:15

We're talking about society. What the fuck else can I talk about? I'm on a jail wall phone. Do you think somebody tried by design, bro, to just f*** you up completely? Because really looking at it, like I said, I said you was the glue, and a whole lot of shit got shook up, and then now the jail shit happened.

42:37

Do you think somebody was really just after you, though? Because it seemed like somebody really just said, I'm going to target this man.

42:46

Yeah.

42:47

I'm so happy that it happened, though, because I think that's the same thing in the Bible, where God, like, sent the devil. You know, and it's just like, I'm happy this happened. So, like, all my rap friends who just turned their back, who just turned to some hoes, like, I'm so happy this happened, because I would have never knew you was up. I would have never knew you felt a certain type of way.

43:05

And you can say what you want to say about me. I don't care. I ain't tripping. But it's just like, me and you know. We done had them long, dark talks, nigga, about why I done tried to save your career. We done had them talks about why I you know me. So, and besides all that, nigga, I told you to your face.

43:28

Every one of y'all niggas, every nigga who I had a phone conversation with on that phone in jail, I done told every one of them. Now one of them can ever in they life say, me and him didn't talk about that. Me and him didn't, he hasn't said those words to me. I said no, every exact word to every one of them niggas. Everybody. You know what I'm saying? So why does it bother you so much then?

43:46

I think it bothers me because just because it's like, even though I done had the conversations with my bros, with the shit like that, it's just like, it just seemed to me looking in, just not as thug, me just being a regular civilian, I just look at it like, horny, like, damn, bro, it's just lame.

44:05

It's just lame. I done had them conversations with them too, but it's just like, man, bro, you still on the phone with a bitch just talking. You know what I'm saying? You just talking about shit. But it's just like, I just want people to know, it's just random.

44:15

We just having random conversations. was going on with Lil Baby, but it was just like, shit, I love this nigga to death. This my little brother, bro. Like, I love Lil' Bro. So of course I'm gonna feel a certain type of way if I don't feel like he getting the proper treatment he's supposed to get, cause he a real nigga. He solid, for sure. Real, real deal.

44:34

Like solid, most real nigga. Him, like savage. Like them type people, like Drake, realest people I ever met. So on that, who are the people during this that you left jail and you said, okay, those people are down for me? Like, who are the individuals that we know that you could say they showed themselves to you

44:56

as a true loyal friend during that time? During the jail time or just like from jail up to now?

45:02

Yeah.

45:04

Savage, Lil Baby, Drake. The jail phones, all that shit came out, Drake text me. Bruh, nigga, I love you.

45:13

Fuck him.

45:14

Drop that music, bro. Let your music talk. Ooh, ooh, ooh, you know, I just got a few phone calls from a few people. It's a few people that didn't call. So I'm damn near happy that the shit happened because it just like showed they color. Cause I just had like new plans with all those people included too.

45:30

So it's like the people that didn't, that let that type of shit change how they feel or change how they move. It's just like, good. Like, I'm just happy. Like, thank God, man. I think I'm just at the point where I'm just like, I'm over the just being sad or being

45:47

like, I'm trying to just, that's why I wanted to do this interview with y'all. I just wanted to like, I be watching a lot of y'all interviews. Y'all are like, y'all good men, but y'all like healers too though. Y'all know how to just like talk and just like, you know what I'm saying? I'm still a young nigga, so I don't even know what the fuck depressed is in real life. I just wasn't brought up like that. I was just brought up by gangsters.

46:08

I wasn't brought up to be just so in touch with my feelings. I ain't never been in touch with them. But this last situation, I definitely been in touch with my feelings more than I ever did. I ever have, though, for sure. But you trying to do the same thing though. Like you're saying like you're here because, you know, you've seen us sit with people

46:28

and we've talked about healing and we talked about therapy. But you say, you know, you're gonna talk to your family, you're gonna talk to your girl. That's all the people you talk to even though you're in the same place.

46:39

So you gotta do something different.

46:40

I know, but a different thing was I never talked to nobody about my feelings. So I never received certain conversations. Now I'm getting more in touch with my feelings. I don't need to go to a therapist. I'll just talk to my people that I never

46:54

talked to about this shit. Like, I never got insight from y'all on how to heal or how to start your healing process. I never talked to my girl about how to start in the healing process. I never talked to my girl about how to start the healing process. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, I can't count y'all out because we ain't never talked about none of that for me to know that y'all can't help me.

47:10

Yeah. And bro, I would tell you, like that, the street stuff is cool. Like the code you talking about is cool, but bro, you got to mature past it. Where like, that's why I was even getting into earlier, where like mature past that, where, nah, I ain't gonna do this, I ain't gonna do that. I'm with you. The snitching and all that, you know what I'm saying?

47:33

Like, there's street code, but there's also your folks is looking at you as that king. And whatever you do, they gonna do. And so like, like I said, I used to, I used to race with the dope boys on Columbia Drive.

47:50

Right down Columbia Drive, they used to call me Lil Red, and I'd race in the parking lot. And like, I understand that side, but as I grew up and as I matured, and as I got bred, and as I went to college, and you know what I'm saying? Like you start maturing and now I have to come back and be like, bro, that's, you know,

48:08

you can't do that stuff no more. Like that's the point where I think like you have to understand is that you don't have to be 2012 thug no more. You could be 2025 thug. You don't got to be 2015 thug. You got to be 2025 Thug. You don't gotta be 2015 Thug. You gotta be 2025 Thug.

48:26

Like that's the maturity that I've talked to a bunch of my friends about. Even my dude from Atlanta, Eazy, a bunch of dudes. Eazy gonna laugh when I say his name. I've had the same conversation with him. Cause he was a dude from Atlanta. We grew up together.

48:42

He went to Florida, I went to Florida. And at one point I had to tell him like, bro, you have to like, we 40 now, bro. You can't be 20, 22 year old anymore. You got to be 40. Do you, are you, do you think you're, you're progressing with that thought process? Because I think you need to for your whole team and everybody to do that. A hundred percent. Everything, everything I do is so much better than what I used to do. I think it's a hard transition, but it was easier for me

49:12

because I went to jail, so I had a reason. You know what I'm saying? As opposed to just like y'all, just living life happy as fuck, rich, and just doing what you want to do to just being like, you know what, I got to stop it. You know, I went to jail, so it was like, it stopped anyway.

49:27

It's going to stop. Now you start thinking more. Now you're reading the Bible. Now you're praying five times a day. Now you're doing more. I'm not. I'm not.

49:33

I don't feel like I'm in the streets. I think I just glorify codes. It ain't even got nothing to do with the streets. Like, I don't give a fuck. If you a white boy, you don't supposed to rap. You don't supposed to tell. No matter what happens.

49:46

You don't supposed to tell.

49:47

Lawyers bein' in court, no matter what.

49:48

Yeah, you just supposed to be lawyers to life. Like, that's a man, as a man. You know? You don't supposed to do certain things. Not homing women. Joining the team. We not beating no women. We not messing with no kids. We not.

50:05

Bro, we the same thing.

50:06

All that.

50:07

People just be saying, oh, these niggas living off a street code, or y'all trying to uphold the street. That's just a code of life, bro.

50:12

I agree.

50:13

Y'all just saying it because we street niggas. Like, I ain't put, I ain't said, cold, godly cold. You don't supposed to be a pussy, bro. I feel like telling this pussy. You don't supposed to be a pussy, you supposed to be a man. That don't got nothing to do with the street. I think we just street guys, so they just look at it like, oh you still on the street, then? Because I need to just be like, no snitching, no this, no that. They just like, oh they still living on the street, so they still ... I'm so beyond it, you know what I'm fuckin' with. It's morality. Morality to you. That's all I'm sayin'.

50:45

With you though, man, you let Cardi have last week, which you know what I mean, I thought it was just really cool for her to mention you by name though. It's her moment. Obviously, people have been waiting damn seven years to get a new album, but I thought it said a lot about how people in the industry see you and how they see your loyalty and the way you move as a man.

51:09

With that, she had last week, you'll have this Friday. For you, what does it mean to get that mention and what is your feeling in now dropping your

51:20

own project as well?

51:21

It's so great, man. I just got out of jail. I beat the biggest case in Georgia history. I got out of jail. I got some money soon as I got out. Got some houses, man.

51:36

Just so good. The moment is just so good. This is my last album with my label. We're going to re-up, it's just everything is just so perfect. I feel like it's just time. I should have been draw the album,

51:48

but I just wanted to like catch up with my family. Like I got a kid that live with me now, bro. Like I'm on some real dad shit, bro. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like I got a kid that'm just out of line. What's that like in carpool?

52:06

Huh?

52:07

He ain't cooking breakfast.

52:09

He ain't making no egg rolls and sausage. No, he older than I am. I feel like if I had like six, seven year old, 10 year old kids and shit like that, living in the house with me, for sure we cooking. My girl cook every day though anyway though. So I wouldn't eat, that ain't even my job. Anyway, my job, bring the bacon home.

52:25

They cook the bacon. Bringin' the bacon home. You want me to bring the bacon home and cook it? God damn, not a single father.

52:33

I got a question about that. What the hell is a little bitty shrimp hip?

52:40

What you talkin' about?

52:41

Yo damn, the little bitty, the little bitty shrimp hip.

52:45

No, shrimp dips.

52:46

Shrimp what?

52:47

Dips.

52:48

What is a shrimp dip? Cause shrimp don't have no hips and I love that song, bro.

52:53

You know what I'm saying?

52:54

Love your verse, but shrimp don't have the hips. Shrimp dips.

52:57

What you dip like?

52:58

Little bitty shrimp dip.

52:59

Yeah, like. Like a tiny little dip. Like a shrimp that you dip. Like a small shrimp.

53:05

That's what it was?

53:06

And then you get a sauce.

53:07

Man, for years now, I've been like,

53:09

shrimps don't have hips.

53:10

I'm going fishing with these little bitty shrimp dips. A little bitty shrimp dips. I'm just saying like, niggas are shrimps. Like, I'm going fishing Yeah, I had to ask. My bad. Whatever you got, Ryan, I ain't know. I ain't know the shrimp had hips. He thought I said shrimp hips?

53:28

I thought shrimp hips. I said,

53:29

"[Bleep], they got no legs. How they got hips?"

53:32

Hey, the man sat down, and he goes, I know you asked some random questions. And you pulled out the most random. You very sexual. You talking about pissing

53:52

The size container lid mm-hmm shit yeah, yeah, yeah, I got I got a big urethra small bladder

53:55

sexuality yes

53:59

Hips I

54:07

Got three I got three kids. They make it. Hey now he invited Kevin Hart to a nudist colony in Jamaica. So we got some real problems.

54:09

I'm heterosexual, heterosexual with capital letters.

54:17

Yeah, you got to ignore him sometimes. Yeah.

54:19

But nah, we.

54:20

Did Kevin Hart say yeah? No, hell no. Kevin Hart like, fuck, no, nigga. Kevin Hart said, he said, do you hear yourself? And he said, and he said, and he said, thug, and excuse my language, you know what his actual question was?

54:33

So you be fucking these people?

54:34

That's what he asked you.

54:35

No, no, no, I just like to look at them.

54:36

That's what he asked you. I like the window shop. The women, right? I like the window shop, the women. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tootsies.

54:45

You been to Tootsies?

54:46

I ain't been nowhere.

54:47

You ain't been to Tootsies?

54:48

I'm trying to, but I've been trying for a minute. We asked all our guests, man, what's they biggest pivot in life? Like, that's that one moment you can look back on and say, because this happened to me or for me, is the reason why I am who I am today. Mine, it's a few of them. I think the biggest one was Kanye West and Kim Kardashian playing my song on the internet.

55:15

And he flew me out to like pay me to write songs and shit for him, I stayed in his house for about a week or two. I think that was my pivot. That was like, that moment, like after that, I've been a millionaire since then. I think it was just like the energy Kanye West, he just had that fucking energy with just like a light. It was just there. He was just so fucking just like hands-on and just like Quincy Jones-ish. Like he was there.

55:48

He make you feel way bigger than you are.

55:51

Pause.

55:52

He make you feel huge, man. Kanye West, he the one. I got a few of them. I've been in this game a long time. I had a lot of steps from my last step. I got bigger.

56:05

My entire career, I got bigger, so I just got so many pivots. But the one that changed my life, I think, is Kanye West playing my song. Well, maybe Sizzle, the guy on 808 Mafia, Make the Beats. He leaked the song. I think that probably was the most pivotal moment, because that song blew me up.

56:27

You know, we've talked a lot about healing, moving forward, all of those things. But obviously, your past is going to be a huge part of any conversation. Let's move beyond that. When you walk out of this door, who is Young Thug?

56:46

What will we see? What will we hear? What will people be saying?

56:51

Or what do you want people to be saying about you? You got a wife?

56:55

Yes.

56:57

She write your questions?

56:58

No.

57:00

Nobody writes my questions. That's a good question. That's a good question. That's a good question. I be getting them type questions. My girl be asking them type questions, like, and I always be like, what?

57:10

Like, just start a network. Just start your network, baby. But walking out this room, man, I don't know. I think I just try to be better every day. Try to be a better me.

57:29

And just understand that this ain't the end. This is ending a chapter. This is chapters, chapters, chapters, bro. Like, I'm 34. This the 34th chapter, you know? I know y'all niggas probably got damn 74. Just him. Which is okay.

57:45

Just him.

57:46

How old you old?

57:46

Nah, it's all good.

57:47

How old you trying to be?

57:48

How old you old?

57:49

You both them niggas born that,

57:50

you fast as a woman, man.

57:51

How old you old?

57:51

Who look those?

57:52

Who look those?

57:53

Who look those?

57:54

That's what you hit them with.

57:55

Who feel the younger? I'm gonna try. This stupid mother-fucker. I'm only like 43. How old you 10? 43? I'm 40!

58:05

Nah, you were 43 years ago.

58:07

I'm 40. I'll be 40 forever.

58:08

Yeah. I look 40.

58:10

Yeah, I know, man.

58:11

11, 12.

58:12

Yeah, he old as shit. But yeah, I think me stepping out of here, bruh, just being a better man, man. Three new friends, OGs, all y'all boy got that goddamn salt and pepper. So I'll be all right calling you. You know, all y'all come from money. All of us come from money.

58:27

So y'all going to be able to see it from my point of view. You know, some people, you know, that's another big thing about just like the situation. Nobody ain't in our shoes. Nobody ain't in certain shoes. So they just look at it like, you know,

58:45

we got money, we got fame, and we like hot. So like, most of the time, all eyes are on us. So you still gotta maneuver and just like be. Like not many times I wanted to just cry in the courtroom, but it's just like, fuck, I know the camera on me. You know, it's just like those type of shit.

59:07

And that just speak to what we were talking about earlier, not being able to express your feelings. Imagine just not even being able to express them because you just always gotta seem happy to everybody. You're always on camera. You're always just like ...

59:20

But you know it would have been okay to cry though, bro. And I'm not saying that you should have cried in court, because obviously I can't put myself in that position to know what it feels like to have all those cameras on you, to be on trial and what that would in some way insinuate you've done or you're feeling at that moment. But like, bro, I cry. I know, shoot, we cry on the show. Like, there is so much in this life, bro.

59:50

You mentioned about being, having money. Now, none of us started with money. You ain't start with money, right? Like, there is trauma, and there are experiences, and there is adversity that you go through to get money. And then when you get it, it's still just as hard.

1:00:05

It's just different because you could pay for stuff. Like, what you went through, bro, that is real life, and I'm gonna be lying to you if I said I want to know what it feels like to do it. You know what I mean? And in telling people what you went through,

1:00:22

you're gonna allow other people to heal. That's gonna be therapeutic for you. That's a way that you can give back. You talking about the honesty you wanna do music with? Do music with that honesty, right? Do music with the honesty that,

1:00:35

yeah, you grew up in the streets, but growing up that way had you in legitimately, bro, the worst position you've ever been in life. And you got closer to God. You know what I'm saying? Like, tell people that now going forward, that relationship you built with God,

1:00:53

you'll keep and you won't let yourself have to go back to where you were in order to keep it. You know what I mean? Like, like now,

1:01:01

whether you like it or not, like you an inspiration. Unfortunately, like for our people, bro, when we say, man, I beat the biggest court case in Georgia, remember all the people you said you looked up to growing up with?

1:01:12

Think about if you had a you. What would like young Jeffrey be thinking about the, that beat the biggest case in Georgia? How much could he impart wisdom to you? Like that's who you are now. Like, so what you going to do with that?

1:01:27

That's your decision to make. I thought, real quick, bro, if you had to ask yourself, do you want to be in your shoes, what would the answer be? Like, if you had to really step back and ask yourself, because before you went in, the answer would be easy because you was here. Like right now, because really you free, but you're not free.

1:01:54

They still got, you know what I'm saying? From me to you, bro, I just want you to find peace, whatever that look like at the end of the day. Because a lot of times when that curtain closes, a lot of the people that was there, ain't there and that shit kind of falling back. When you by yourself, to answer your question about depression, you carrying a big ass weight,

1:02:17

like perception, trying to keep a public image because you done been that superstar. That shit can get heavy and that can lead to depression. Feeling empty, not feeling happy, that's all depression. That's the way to kind of sum it up. But when you by yourself, dog, just do that self-check. Like, am I happy?

1:02:38

Away from all this shit. And I ain't trying to tell you to be vulnerable or nothing. That's on you. You're going to feel that when you feel it. Aside from everything else. I just want you to find peace, dog. I don't give a f*** about nothing else.

1:02:53

Like, the media, the internet, all that shit's fugazi at the end of the day. It's about a human life and how you really feel and what you're gonna do for them kids when they come up. That's what it's really about at the end of the day. Does the music bring you peace? Because I mean, you got so much-

1:03:12

It did, but shit. I feel like lately I've been more in touch with my feelings, so now it don't bring me peace. I make songs that are just like, you know? So what is this album about? What will we get in listening to your music? Because like you said, it was fun and it was party music and it did bring people together.

1:03:41

What can we expect? Because music is a feeling, you know that, right? Like when you get in the studio and they play the beat for you, you feel it before you ever say a word. So for you, what will you give us that we will feel when we hear the new album?

1:03:57

Definitely vulnerability. I'm be vulnerable. Shit talking. Because I just feel like, you know, I just feel like I did a lot in this industry. And like, I still never reached my peak yet. I feel like I did a lot in this industry.

1:04:17

I feel like a lot of people don't,

1:04:20

don't specify that.

1:04:23

Some people have though, but I feel, I don't know, I just feel like targeted. I just feel like not respected for a mistake. After everything I done did in this motherfucking culture, I feel like on this album, just talking shit and just like being vulnerable.

1:04:42

That's what this album is filled with. Shit talking. So it might come off as like fun, but it's still, it's shit talking for sure.

1:04:50

For sure.

1:04:51

Sometimes you gotta set the record straight though. Sometimes you got to. Because we never let a hard time humble us. No matter what. You got some love making music on there? Uh uh.

1:05:01

I'ma put another album out.

1:05:02

I'ma put another album out. I'ma put another album out. That nigga freaky as hell. Yeah, I can't, man.

1:05:06

I can't.

1:05:07

He ain't worth a damn.

1:05:08

He ain't worth a damn.

1:05:09

How many keys you got?

1:05:10

I can't do no stroking to that.

1:05:11

How many keys you got?

1:05:12

Three.

1:05:13

You sure, man.

1:05:26

Honestly bro, like, you know, I know you sat down with Bank for hours. We could do the same thing. I think what, you know, I told you when we were talking downstairs too, man, like the way you have opened up, I've never seen someone in your position do. Someone with that background who's been through what you have, man, and shoot. For me, I hope you do reach out to us.

1:05:50

I hope we can stay in touch with you. But I would love to do this again next year, at this time, so people can have a conversation, or hear a conversation with how you've grown and who the man is a year from now, as compared to who he is today.

1:06:05

Man, I'm very grateful for your time, fam. Man, thank you. I really appreciate you, bro.

1:06:09

Now, that's a little dope.

1:06:10

Man.

1:06:11

Bro, why you—

1:06:12

Come to Miami, bro.

1:06:13

That man don't want to come to Miami with you?

1:06:14

Come to Miami, man.

1:06:15

We're gonna have a good time, man.

1:06:17

I'll take you out with the- Where you stay? I'm in Dayton. That is- Where you stay?

1:06:25

That nigga freaky as hell.

1:06:26

He asked you where you live, dog.

1:06:27

He asked me, bro. I'm in the shore.

1:06:29

I'm in the shore, right there.

1:06:32

I got my studio, my radio studio's on 2nd and 79th right there. I got my studio, my radio studio's on 2nd and 79th right there.

1:06:37

Oh, you're right up here.

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